1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: What's up. It's way up with Angela yee, Jasmine Brand 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: is here with me and we have Bishop Lamar white 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Head in the house. I'm good. How are you good? Good? Good? 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: I see the quote bling bling Bishop, you have your 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: guccion fendi. Yeah, now it makes sense. The name makes 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: head to the But let's start with where we are today, 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: and then I want to backtrack to because I've met 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Bishop Lamar white Head some years ago. Um, I actually 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: did get a proclamation from you and your church. Thank 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: you for that. And also we did a peace walk 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: during the pandemic with our now Mayor Eric Adams, he 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: was the Brooklyn Borough president at the time and fave 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: yo foreign. Um, so you've been active in the community, 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: but you've also been in the news a lot. So 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: I want to have a real honest conversation today, but 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: also maybe clear up some misconceptions and give you a 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: chance to say your piece because you were just in 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: the news. It says here headline New York City Bishop 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Lamar white Head faked bank records to find it's his 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: New Jersey mansion. So this is something that's happening in 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: real time right now. According to these reports, it was 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: a company and said that you had a certain amount 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: of two million dollars whatever in these accounts, but it 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: was really ten dollars contrast. Well, you know, I can't 25 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: really talk on speak on things about the indictment. However, 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: first of me to say thank you for having me 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: today's Um, you're the first interview that I've taken after 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: the arrest. I've declined so many interviews because the media 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: becomes untrustworthy and they have no regards for not only 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: myself but my family, my church. And you know, I 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: have a wife, I have children, and this is the 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: only reason why I took I had taken this interview 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: because of who you are, right, and you have three children, right? Four? Four? Okay? Yeah, yeah, So, um, 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: you know this is and I want to speak clearly 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: about this. This is a an attack on a black man, right, 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: and this is more a political attack. The world knows 37 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: that myself and the now mayor Eric Adams are very close. 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: He's my mentor. Um, we haven't been that close within 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: the last year or so because of this mask attack 40 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: on my life, and you guys are going to see 41 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: as things progress that I'm collateral damage. I'm a young 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: black pastor that comes from a broken home. My father 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: was beaten strength of death by sixteen police officers because 44 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: of the color and skin my mom raised me. I 45 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: was sentuwated prison back in two thousand and eight, illegally, 46 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: fake safe search warrants and all different type of things 47 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: that you know, we black men have to go through. 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: It's just the real, the real, huh, this real life. 49 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: We talk about how the police kill black men, but 50 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: we don't talk about how court documents and court PaperWorks 51 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: and prosecution kill black men. And they not only destroy 52 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: us financially, but they kill our credibility. And this is 53 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: what you're seeing happened to me, happening to me right now. 54 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: And I know as we go further in this uh interview, 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: you'll be able to ask me questions that I'm a 56 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: little upset. I'm sorry, but I do want to give 57 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: you the opportunity to have this platform and to be 58 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: honest and transparent. Because okay, so let's start at the beginning. 59 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: You say your father was murdered by the police, right 60 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: and you were raised by your mom, and I saw 61 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: that story. Also, there's an article in The New Yorker 62 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: that details a lot of different things about you and 63 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 1: even in that situation, right, you didn't grow up knowing 64 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: your father? YEA, No, I didn't. I didn't know my 65 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: father was my I was six weeks old when my 66 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: father was beat to death. And you know, I did 67 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: the research, and I'm a world studier and I'm a researcher, 68 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: and I did the research. I said, well, you know, 69 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: if my dad died, right, I said, um, well, let 70 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: me see at least if he was on earth when 71 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Father's Day was here? Did I had the opportunity to 72 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: at least see him on Father's Day? And he died 73 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: January June fourteenth, nineteen seventy eight, and Father's Day was 74 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: June eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight. You know, and you know 75 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: I was even slandered with that where you know, now 76 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: I've became not a human being, but I became content. 77 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: So the YouTubers and the bloggers, they have even reached 78 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: out to some siblings on that side of my family 79 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: and for them to get clickbait, they want to call 80 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: me a faith they want to know. So from every 81 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: aspect of my life, every area, I've been attacked from 82 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: my father, from me being a bishop, for me being 83 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: an apostle from me having my church. Everything that can 84 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: I can be attacked by. I'm being attacked like there's 85 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: nothing else. I'm talking about everything. You know, growing up 86 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: with that a father is not easy. Obviously, you grew 87 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: up in Brooklyn, Yes, okay, and so you did get 88 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: into some trouble. You did get sent into ten years 89 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: and went to prison for five years, and that was 90 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: for stolen identities. Ry. Can you detail what happened in 91 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: that situation? Yeah, so, um I was. I was arrested 92 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: by one of, if not the most racist counties in 93 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: the world, Suffolk County, and you know, I did almost 94 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: six years in prison. I came home on a reversal. However, 95 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: me and my attorneys during the appeals, we found so 96 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: much information where the district attorney hid evidence from us. 97 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: There were fabricated search warrants. It's so many things that 98 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: happened in that case that that allowed me to be 99 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: convicted because I went to trial. However, the question becomes, Okay, 100 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: I was found guilty of some of the accounts, but 101 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: the question becomes, if the district attorney has hit information 102 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: from my attorneys, which would be extrabatorial evidence, I could 103 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: be vindicated and they hid that information. Am I still guilty? 104 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: But the world and the media they stick to the 105 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: guilty and it's a process to unravel that. There is 106 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: a whole legal process that I'm going through that I 107 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: was it. But okay, so when you were on trial, 108 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: right you? Before I went to trial, you were ordained? Yes, 109 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: what made you decide to do that? God? That was? 110 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: That was just all God. I was in the ministry. 111 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: My mom always brought me the church. But I would say, however, 112 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: maybe a year prior to that, that was in two 113 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: thousand and six, I was just really into church, really hard, 114 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: really really stern. I was into real estate. I have 115 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: my own firm. I bought into a mortgage um industry 116 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: or franchise rather, and you know, it was just phenomenal, 117 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, So my spirituality Christianity balanced me. And um, 118 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: I became a minister in two thousand and seven, and 119 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: I just kept pushing from there. And I want to 120 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: ask you this because um you know, I have a 121 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: really good friend who did She ended up going to prison, 122 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: and she said it took her some time to take 123 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: accountability for that she had done something that was wrong 124 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: and to just be like, Okay, you know what I'm 125 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: in here, and I did she was it was drug 126 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: charges for her right. So for you accountability wise, oh, 127 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm very big on accountability. My accountability doesn't have to 128 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: be public, right. My accountability is with God. Um. And 129 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: we're coming up to one of the most holiest um 130 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: months of the of the of the of the year, 131 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: or the holiest um uh days of the year, resurrection 132 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: Um resurrection Sunday's coming, and um, you know, my Christ 133 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: died for the remission of my sins, right, and I've 134 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: done a lot wrong in my life. If I didn't, 135 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: I would be Jesus. So my accountability is between me 136 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: and God. And if I offended someone or if I 137 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: hurt someone, then yes, I'm going to beg your pardon. Right. 138 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: But just because the media has painted me to be 139 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: not a victim but a villain, I don't have to 140 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: be held accountable to being a villain if I'm not 141 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: to ask me the question. You think that the public's 142 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: perception and you may not care, would be different if 143 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: you were accountable publicly, Like if you said, hey, you know, 144 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: I will say that I you know, I'm guilty of 145 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, doing this, or I was wrong and if 146 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: you think the perception, the public perception and the media's 147 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: perception would be different if you took public accountability. Well, 148 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm never going to take public accountability to a lie, right, No, No, 149 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying for things that you have done. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 150 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: yeah of course because back then when you went, you 151 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: did go to jail. But the charges I guess were 152 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: identity and standing people's you know, to get cars or whatever, 153 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: well to to to so that you understand what that was, right, 154 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things that you guys don't know, 155 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: but um, I don't. I think one thing that they 156 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: said was actually um removed or taken. But every nothing, 157 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, was taken from me. As far as me, 158 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: everything was attempt Okay, everything was attempting. You guys don't 159 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: really understand the legalities of of what actually happened. Yeah 160 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. So so so therefore when you dig deeper, 161 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, we have all these social media lawyers and 162 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: everybody clickbait. They want to make it seem like they're correct, 163 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: but they're not. I have the paperwork, I know what 164 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: it is, and they were all attempts. Those if they 165 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: would have gave my attorneys over the correct information that 166 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: the indictment would have got thrown out. So you say 167 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: you're not guilty of any of those charges that they 168 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: accused you. You're saying it was attempted, that you didn't 169 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: actually get these So, like I said, we will be 170 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: here and illegal. I would have to really explain to it. 171 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: But the charges that they charged me was was illegal period. 172 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: Okay they they So we'll be here all days, all right. 173 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: So moving on from that, what was your time like 174 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: while you were in prison for five years? And were 175 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: you ministering while you were there? Um? I'm so prison 176 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: is different, y'all. Prison is really really really different. And 177 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: when I say when you say ministered, um, I gave 178 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: godly words to certain individuals. I wasn't preaching in the church. Um, 179 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, I gave godly opinion to certain individuals. Because 180 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: you have to understand that there's a lot man. You know, 181 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: you got you got uh, murderers, you got robbers, you 182 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: got rape rapists, rapists or rapos we call them raposum 183 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: child molestons we call them tree jumpers, you know, and 184 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: in prison you have to understand every dem on spirit 185 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: in the world is in one place, right, So you 186 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: have to be very cautious and very careful who you 187 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: open yourself up too. So you know, and I'm gonna 188 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: be honest with you. You know, prison is no joke. 189 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: And I beat people up. I had to beat people up. 190 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: I was, yes, I was yeah, yeah, yeah, like And 191 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: that's what and that's why, that's where I think the 192 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: disconnect is between the media accepting me as a bishop. Right, 193 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm from Brooklyn. I fought. I'm a fighter, right, I'm 194 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: not a person that has never been a floor mat right. Um. 195 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: And when I was in prison, I fought, and you 196 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: know I was my my my bench press was four 197 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: twenty five and I was one ninety. Right, I was strong. Yes, 198 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: did you ever lose? Did you ever lose? No? No? 199 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: The only thing one thing that happened to me, right 200 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: is funny. Um, this guy uh had had an issue 201 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: with me and he snuck up behind he stole something 202 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: from out of the security and hit me in the 203 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: back of the head with a pipe. Right. We fought, 204 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: but I was My blood was all over the place. 205 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: That's an old other thing. Yeah, that's prison. That's prison though, 206 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: so you know, but anything head up, I didn't. I 207 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: did what I had to do. You know what was 208 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: the hardest part of being a way or doing all 209 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: that time missing my family? Right, I'm a family person. 210 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: I love Christmas, I love things given, I love you know, 211 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm a family Ritan person. And you know, to not 212 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: be able because I only have one child during that 213 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: I only have my son, so to not be able 214 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: to be a father. See, we were created men. We 215 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: were created to be father's right to till the land, 216 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: that's what the Bible says, to protect your family, right. 217 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: So I wasn't able to be a protector. So what 218 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: I was made to do, I wasn't able to do, 219 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, And that was the biggest thing for me, right, 220 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: being in prison where nothing's going on. And you have 221 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: to understand, prison is a whole another world. If you 222 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: try to live in prison by thinking about what's out 223 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: in the world, you will die, right. You have to. 224 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: You have to reconfigure your mind, right, And that's why 225 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people that come out of prison has 226 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: either mental issues psych issues because prison is an abnormality, 227 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: and prison tries to make your abnormality normal. So then 228 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: when you come out to normality, right, it becomes abnormal. Right, 229 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: So you know, when people see me on either social 230 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: media and I and I come right back at the like, 231 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: how you're not no bishop, I'm a human being, right, 232 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: like that punk d l hugely right. He's a stone 233 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: cold punk, right, And he used the platform of my 234 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: church being robbed to sit here and push his numbers 235 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: up and demonize me. But now when they caught the 236 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: people or two out of the three people that that 237 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: that that robbed robbed my church, right, he's gone. Let's 238 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: talk about that for a second for people who don't know, 239 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: because that went viral, right, and that had to be 240 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: a horrifying day because not only did you get robbed 241 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: in church life was in danger your wife as well 242 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: and everybody that was in that church. Right. But then 243 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: afterward it became a joke for people, okay, and people 244 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: didn't believe it. They thought it was an insurance fraud scheme. 245 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: So talk to me about that day and what was 246 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: going on in your mind when that happened. It was 247 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: it was if not, I think it is the most 248 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: treacherous thing to ever happened to me in my life, right, 249 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: And you know, to be preaching and to see men 250 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: coming to my church with hoods because I can see 251 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: them before anybody can see him, because I'm pointing, I'm 252 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: facing that way and I see them. And when I 253 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: see like, I'm Brooklyn right, And when I seen them 254 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: with the hood, my my everything in me became upset 255 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: and I just said nah. I said nah. I said 256 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: they got me, and I was mad. I was I 257 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: was mad. However, I still had to be a leader. 258 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: And I knew if I jumped, my church was gonna jump. 259 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: I knew it. So I'm thinking within split seconds what 260 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: to do. And that's when y'all see me just say okay, okay, okay. 261 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: And my church don't know what I'm talking about because 262 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: they can't see, but they they're gonna follow me. And 263 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: when I say okay, okay, okay, I'm pretty much telling 264 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: my church like yo, follow my lead, follow my lead, 265 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: and I say all right, okay ka ka ka okay, 266 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: like I'm getting down. I'm getting down right, And that's 267 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: when you guys see me get down. And then when 268 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: my church turned around, it's like a wave. They all 269 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: fail because these dudes came in with guns and I'm 270 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: looking and I'm I'm I've never been robbed in my life. Well, 271 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: let me let me. Let me, let me second that 272 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: when I was in eighth grade, right, no, no, sixth grade. 273 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: When I was in sixth grade, this eighth grade or 274 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: robbed me. I was in the back of the stairkids 275 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: going down to my class, and I had a bunch 276 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: of change in my pocket. So I'm running down and 277 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: my change jiggling, jiggling, jiggling, and this eighth grader took 278 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: me in the corner bigger than me and punched me 279 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: in my face and took my change. Something you'll never forget. 280 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: He's saying it like it happened yet. But back to 281 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: back to the current one. What is there, like, what 282 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: lesson did you learn outside of that entire experience of 283 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, you being robbed in front of you know, 284 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: in the backlash, and oh god, that was the biggest 285 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: lesson you learned from that whole experience. The biggest lesson 286 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: is so many lessons, But the biggest lesson that I've 287 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: learned is to love my family closer, to be more 288 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: closer to my family, because and anything could have happened, 289 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: and for these guys to come into my church and 290 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: do what they did, they had no morals. And um, 291 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: when I was on the floor, and I'm looking up 292 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: because my wife is in front of me, and I 293 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: see this dude with a gun to my wife face, right, 294 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: and he had the gun to her face, and my 295 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: daughter is in my wife's hand. So my daughter was 296 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: eight months at the time, So my daughter's sitting to 297 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: on her right side and the gun is in my 298 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: wife face. So he's he was very specific on taking 299 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: what he wanted to take off my wife, and then 300 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: he wanted my wife earrings, so he switched the gun 301 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: and put it in my daughter face. People don't even 302 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: understand how exactly right. Right, So I'm watching this and 303 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: knowing you can't do anything because it could have ended 304 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: up making somebody get killed. I'm watching this and I 305 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: know how I'm built. I know I'm not no sucker. 306 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: I ain't never been no sucker, and I know how 307 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm built. And for these dudes to violate the church, 308 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: now there's a cold in the streets, right. You don't 309 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: go in no church and violate, and you don't violate 310 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: no women and kids, and you don't you don't touch 311 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: no my mothers. So I'm sitting here and I'm just 312 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: I can't get up now. I'm already down, not to 313 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: mention that there's another guy. They had different positions in 314 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: the church that people didn't see. The church was positioned 315 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: and it was guns out. So once I'm down, I'm down. 316 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: If I'm not just about you, it's everybody, everybody, Yeah, 317 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: it's every anybody now. So after he takes my wife's jury, 318 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: then he comes up to me and he has the 319 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: gun over my head and he starts to take off, 320 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: take my jury or my jury off, and um I 321 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: had you know, he took a few chains off, but 322 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: then I had one of my huge um uh cubans 323 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: underneath right, and he start tapping my back, start tapping 324 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: my back because it was commuting Sunday too, so I 325 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: had my collar on. So he started tapping my back 326 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: and he said, we're sat, We're sat, We're sat, like 327 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: he knew, he knew, and then he felt it, he 328 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: felt them. And then he grabbed the back of my 329 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: neck and start yanking me. So if you see a 330 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: vid the video, you will see my neck going like this. 331 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: So he trying to pop my curly, my clergy collar 332 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: and pop my chain, you know, but you're not popping 333 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: that chain, you know what I'm saying, you're not popping chain. 334 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: This chain is a keyload goal and it's over a 335 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: hundred carriage, so you're not popping that chain. You're not 336 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: popping the chain. So he was like, take it off, 337 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: take it off, take it off. Now he got the 338 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: gun to my head, so I had to. I took 339 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: it off and I gave it to him. And then 340 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: another one his guys came and start patting my pockets 341 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: and then he day ran. So immediately when they ran right, 342 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: I got up and I went right behind them. Right, 343 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: I went right behind them, but I was cautious. I 344 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: went right behind them, and I'm seeing where they are. 345 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: So now when you go out of my sanctuary, you 346 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: can see the window. So I see them outside of 347 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: the window and they they they like this. They don't 348 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: know which way to go. So I'm like, all right, cool. 349 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm saying to myself, and I can 350 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: I be honest. I'm saying to myself, I'm gonna go 351 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: jump in my truck and I'm gonna run them over. 352 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: That's in my mind, in my mind, you know what 353 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: I mean. So I go downstairs and I forgot my keys. 354 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: It's in my back, so I send my adjective stairs 355 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: to get my keys, getting my key, and I see 356 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: them run down the block, so I know that I'll 357 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: be able to catch him. So I jump into my car. 358 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: I jump my deacons, jump into the car and I'm 359 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: driving and he disappeared. So I said, I know they 360 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: couldn't go that far. I know they I know you 361 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: can't go that far. So I turned the corner and 362 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: I'm looking looking looking him like, I know they couldn't 363 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: come that far. So I'm not worried about them shooting 364 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: at me. I want to just run them over. I 365 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: want to run them over, you know what I mean. 366 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: So I'm driving, driving up and down. So I'm in 367 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: the in the coloring in Rose Roys, driving looking, looking, 368 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: looking looking. So now some of my viewers had all 369 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: called the police anyway, so I'm looking for him. I 370 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: didn't find him, so I come back around and then 371 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: I see all the police on the corner of the 372 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: block and I see what's going on. So I witnessed 373 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: said that they saw the guys jump in the car 374 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: and get out the car. They changed the car, so 375 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: I must have drove by the car, okay, not knowing, 376 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: So I know you want to go into more things 377 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: and there's still one person at large. Right, did you 378 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: know the did you know any of them? Do you 379 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: think you recognize them from anywhere? Because I feel like 380 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: the story that two of them got apprehended wasn't as 381 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: big as the fact that people thought it was fake. Right, Right, 382 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: So everybody for two months and two months destroyed me, 383 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: killed me for two months. He set up the robbery, 384 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: He did this, and I couldn't talk about it because 385 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about it. I didn't know, and 386 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: the pros, federal prosecutor and the federal agents was saying, Bishop, 387 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: please don't say nothing. This uninvestigation. We're going through this, 388 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: we're going through that. We know who they all this, 389 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: and I know it's hard for you to not say nothing. 390 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: I know you. Was like, man, you know so let 391 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: me ask you this though, being a bishop, do you 392 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: forgive them? Yes? Yes? Yeah, heck yeah yes. I forgive 393 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: them whoheartedly give hug um? I forgive them, But I 394 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: don't forget del hugely. Let me tell you something. He's 395 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: a punk, right and say that because he's a clown. 396 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: How do you how do you not do the research? 397 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: How do you not do so? He wanted me. So 398 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: he wanted me on the show, right, and my team 399 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: told me, they said, yo, his team said, he doesn't 400 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: like you. I said, no problem, no problem. I said, 401 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: why don't you? Why does he like me? He doesn't know. 402 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: So I went on his show. I was on the phone. 403 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: They did be on the phone, and he was like 404 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: he was just just just just just mad and nasty. 405 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: I said, brother, look, man, if we're gonna have a conversation, 406 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: let's be let's be respectful. And he was like, no, 407 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: you deserve to get robbed. You robbing the people. I said, what, 408 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: all right, Well, let's get away from that for a 409 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: second and let's talk about that. So now there's the 410 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: parishioner who's saying that you took ninety thousand dollars from her. 411 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: She was trying to get some real estate advice from you. 412 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: She thought she was investing. And then now she that 413 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: comes out in the news after this, right, so now, 414 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: so now right, you're going to see that she was 415 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: never a parishioner. She was never a member of my church. 416 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: Once again, the media is going to portray it to 417 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: be something that's not. She was never, never, And I'm 418 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: hoping her pastor would step up. Um. I know, So 419 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: her son was a part of my ministry, right, her 420 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: son was my assistant, and her son wanted to be 421 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: involved with real estate because that's what I do. And 422 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: I helped her son get their first house. I helped 423 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: her son and I, you know, I helped him with 424 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: him and his wife. I married his him and his wife. 425 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: They was very close to me. And what this is 426 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: a dysfunctional member, which is her son that's upset that 427 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: I had to remove him out of my ministry. Right, 428 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: So he his mother invested into him, He invested into 429 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: so he invested on behalf of his It was his 430 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: mother's money. Listen from my understanding, right, his mother that 431 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: was they think it ain't my thing, right, But what 432 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: did they give you the money for to invest in 433 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: real estate? To invest in real estate? Right? However, he 434 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: and I can't really get into it, but you know, 435 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: it's like he took a lot of the money because 436 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: he couldn't afford his lifestyle, which I was, okay, no problem. 437 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: But y'all going to see all that come out. My 438 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: thing is their charges in that situation or is that 439 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: just an accusation? What they have done is they've changed 440 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: because this was a civil matter for I think going 441 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: on two years now, so now they change it to 442 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: a criminal matter. And that's that's what we're saying from alternity, saying, like, 443 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: how do you change a criminal civil I mean a 444 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: civil suit went to a criminal matter? Right, It's like whoa, 445 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: but the media and everybody is going to portray it. Oh, 446 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: the parishioner, you took the old lady's money. That's what 447 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: she said. Though she said she didn't she say she 448 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: was a she's part of your church. Where did she 449 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: say that? Okay, I've never Okay, okay, now let's move 450 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: on to the next thing. Then there was a situation 451 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: back to the mayor where you orchestrated for a man 452 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: who murdered someone to turn himself in. That's where it 453 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: all started, Okay, talk about that. Yeah, that's where it 454 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: all started. And that's what everybody's missing. Everybody's looking at 455 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: the robbery, everybody's looking at this this federal indictment. But 456 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: where all of this stuff started. It started it in 457 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: the month of May when I got a phone call 458 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: from a person that UM follows my ministry UM and 459 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: at once I believe they was members Um. I was 460 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: close to her, to their family. I believe I did 461 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: about two funerals for their family. Whatever. So they they 462 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: they knew me, and they called me and said, Bishop, 463 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: we need your help. Fast forward. I said, what's going on? 464 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: She said, um, my nephew is wanted by the police. 465 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: It's national They're saying that he killed somebody on the train. 466 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: So I said, all right, I call you back. I 467 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: could let me check this out. So I get on 468 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: the um, Um, I get on an internet. I see. 469 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: I said, wow, oh my goodness. So I call her back. 470 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: I said, look, what's going on? So she said where 471 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: they're kicking in all these doors and I don't want 472 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: him to die. I said, well, listen, you gotta follow 473 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: my lead. Um I'll help you, but you gotta let 474 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: me know what's going on. So she said, he's a 475 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: good kid. I didn't know the young kid, um, but 476 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: he said he's a good kid. He's this, he's that. 477 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: I said, no problem. So I got off the phone, 478 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: and Um I called the mayor and I said Eric, 479 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: I said, look, this young man who's all over the news, 480 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: who they're looking for. His family just reached out to me. 481 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: I said, listen, I need your assistance to be there. 482 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: When I turned this young man in so he don't die. 483 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't want him to die, you know what I'm saying. 484 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: So he said all right, he said, he said, all right, Bishop, 485 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: let me know what you need. So then I called 486 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: some other NYPD top officials and they were saying, Bishop, 487 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: we will if you want us to bring a van, 488 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: we will bring a van. We will make sure that 489 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: he doesn't get you know, they said to everybody. So 490 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: so many different NYPD commands I'm talking about, so many 491 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: commands start calling me saying that bishop got the shooter. 492 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: A bishop got the shooter. And so anyway, I told them, 493 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: I said, look, follow my lead so you be able 494 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: to you'll be all right. Fast forward, this legal aid 495 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: who he had wanted to get a name, so she 496 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: convinced them to reroute from me to go to her. 497 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: And I told him, and I told him, I said, 498 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't think you should go to her office because 499 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: you're wanted. And I said, if you don't think they're 500 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: sticking out her office, you're crazy. I said, meet me 501 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: at the fifth precent. Everybody's here already. I'm gonna walk 502 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: to you and you're going to be able to turn 503 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: yourself in. I get a text, so I pull up 504 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: in front of the fifth Precent and I pull up 505 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: in the Rose Royce coloring in and I was already 506 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: dressed for the day, so I had a Findy blazer on, 507 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: a Findy Shoes suit, Findy shoes, and some pants. So 508 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: I get out the car and media went crazy and 509 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: when and so I got a text from the mother 510 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: and she said, please meet us over by the lawyer's office. 511 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my goodness, y'all switching stuff up, y'all. 512 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: So I had to leave. I drove around the block 513 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: like four times to make sure that I wasn't followed 514 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: because I didn't want this kid. I didn't want them 515 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: to start shooting anyway. I'm waiting for him at his 516 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: at the his attorney's office. When we get to the 517 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: attorney's office. When I get to the attorney's office, we waited. 518 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: He pulls up maybe fifteen minutes later, and I come 519 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: outside to meet him because I've seen his mother walking first, 520 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: and I said, where is he? Yeah, said he outside. 521 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: So I'm going through the double doors and boom, all 522 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: of the police guns out, put them on the floor. 523 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: So I was very upset that that happened. We get 524 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: I get back to the precinct and that that's when 525 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: they start saying, failed turning Bishop, Why have failed to 526 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: turn the guy in? And that's when the whole story changed, Bling, 527 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: bling Bishop, that's what that's what do you feel like 528 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: you're being targeted? Because I've seen some of this paperwork, 529 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: all right, So why would the FBI be targeting you? Well, 530 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: if you read the New Yorker, right, there's somebody in 531 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: the New Yorker that has came out and he was 532 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: recording conversations with you. So now there's a person Brandon Belmonte, right, 533 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: that was all in this article. And he said that 534 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: you were saying that you had an end with who 535 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: are you get all kinds of deals done for him? 536 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: You could get him access, but you were trying to 537 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: extort him for money. So I was I was, now 538 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: that I understand what's going on. I was set up. 539 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: This guy that you just spoke of is a known 540 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: con man, and it's so crazy to me. Yes, he's 541 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: a white, white man. He's a white man, and it's 542 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: crazy to me how the media is protecting him. Nobody's 543 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: talking about him. Nobody. And if everybody can google me, 544 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: all you gotta do is google him, and you guys 545 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: are going to see it all come out that I 546 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: was set up, that this whole story and this whole 547 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: narrative was set up, because you're going to find out 548 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: that there's a whole lot of paper going around that 549 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: he's a whistle blower. And what the streets are telling 550 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: me now since he did that is, you know, he's 551 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: a known informant. And I didn't know him. I don't 552 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: know him. I knew him, I met him probably what 553 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: he fixed my wife's car. He asked me to rent 554 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: one of my moody shop. Yes, he owns a older 555 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: body shop. And you know, he fixed my wife's car. 556 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: He overheard me being too real estate. He told me 557 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: he's in the real estate and he made me a project. 558 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: And listen, I just got through running for about president 559 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: what two years ago. Nobody bothered me. The Feds didn't 560 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: bother me. Nobody bother me. Now all of a sudden, 561 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: this white man set me up, and he's setting me up. 562 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, so with all 563 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: of these things that's coming out, right, everybody saying, well, 564 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: the Feds conviction rate is ninety eight. True. However, if 565 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: it's based off of a lie, then what why do 566 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: you think he's motivation? Um, he has I believe he 567 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: has other criminal charges and he's trying to work it off. 568 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: And if you if you do the research, I mean, 569 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: ever since that article came out, over I think six 570 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: to eight victims of his where he stole over two 571 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: million dollars. I'm talking about these Hasidic Jews from upstate. 572 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: They just called me. I can show you, I can 573 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: show you there their their message. Uh, they called me, 574 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: They text me and said that he has stolen over 575 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: six hundred thousand dollars from him cash and he has 576 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: placed they placed over sixteen cars in their names that 577 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: he was that he was renting and he took the cars. 578 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: And this is what he's doing. I got calls from Florida. 579 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: He stole from UM, a young Caucasian man in Um, 580 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: Florida one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. There is people 581 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: in New York. So he's still in money. And what 582 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: he's doing is as far as what they're telling me, 583 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: these victims, the victim is saying that he's sending pictures 584 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: of fake wires, and he's sending pictures of fake checks 585 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: saying that he's deposited in it, but then calling and 586 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: hasli he's doing so much. I'm a when you when 587 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: everybody sees this right and if they do the research 588 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: on who he is, why didn't the New York Times 589 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: post anything about him? Why didn't a daily news post 590 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: anything about him? Why didn't a New York post a post? 591 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: Called my attorney and said, what is Bishop White? Has comment? 592 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: I said, not guilty. Oh, by the way, why aren't 593 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: you doing a story on that, gentleman? You don't see 594 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: that in the post because they're protecting him for what reason? 595 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I only heard about him in this 596 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: article in particular exactly. Okay, so listen, I know we 597 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: have to get this show started, but I do want 598 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: to say I appreciate you for coming through. Now as 599 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: far as you and everything that's going on, everything you feel, 600 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: do you feel confident that you will get these charges 601 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: dropped and that everything will be fine, You won't have 602 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: to go back to jail because you are facing charges 603 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: that have a significant amount of time attached to them. Yeah, 604 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: I believe that. My attorney and my my my attorney 605 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: Don My attorney's Don Florio and Brian Pond that they're 606 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: doing an amazing job, and I believe that we're going 607 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: to get the victory, you know. And however, what I'm 608 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: asking is the first black District Attorney of the Southern 609 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: District U to reevaluate this, right, reevaluate right, because I'm 610 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: African American. I could be your brother, right, I could 611 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: be your son. Reevaluate this. Look at how this thing started, right, 612 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: look at how this thing started. And I think everybody 613 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: should reach out to I think his name is Damian Williams. 614 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: I believe his name is, yeah, Damian Wigs. Look look 615 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: into this. Just look into this, because if the person 616 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: is a liar, then the perception is going to be 617 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: a lie and reality is going to be a lie. 618 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm asking him to look into this because I am 619 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: being targeted, because the Mayor of New York is being targeted, 620 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: and it's the Bishop Whitehead and the Mayor of New 621 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: York City is being trying to be trapped and set 622 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: up by the real con man. And I just want 623 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: my life back, Angela. That's it. I want my life back, right, 624 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, And that's I want my life back. People 625 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: are running from me because of these charges. I want 626 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: my life back. All right, Well, thank you so much 627 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: for coming through, and I'm glad that you had the 628 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: platform to tell your said. I know people look at you, 629 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: They're like, why is a bishop wearing all this to 630 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: down and stuff? Why does he have a million dollars 631 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: worth a jewelry, etc. Etc. But I feel like none 632 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: of that is significant when it comes to what it 633 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: is that you're dealing with here. Well, I just want 634 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: to say this, I know because you have to go, 635 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: but let me tell this. I've done so much work 636 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: in the community, and I'm doing so much work in 637 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: a community. That's how we met. I do things in 638 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: the community, and all of that's overshadowed and they have 639 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: termed me from a victim to a villain, and I 640 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: think that they should change the narrative and understand that 641 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm a young black man that's striving just like just 642 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: like anybody else. Thank you, Thank you well.