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Speaker 1: If you're an up advanished listener, you probably just finished

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Speaker 1: episode eight and we're sorry to leave you hanging. The

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Speaker 1: way we've planned out this season and structured it has

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Speaker 3: It was a long journey. I mean, it was a long,

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Speaker 3: first half part one. Yeah, what we've covered so far

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Speaker 1: ever since I've been making true crime podcasts where in

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Speaker 1: Up and Vantage, specifically the families of the missing persons

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Speaker 4: And like it's scary, right, Like I would be very

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Speaker 1: you never really fee completely certain about what it is

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00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: you're writing until you execute and see what happens.

436
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I think that's a lot Seinfeld said one time,

437
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: it's like every night, it's like walking on a tightrope

438
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: over the fire. There's some weird thing within us that

439
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: we thrive on that. I mean, it's like as a hunter,

440
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: I bowhunt because I want to do it the hardest way. Yeah,

441
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: I think that's the hardest way to do it. But

442
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: I feel like if I could pull it off doing that,

443
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: then I've done something and creatively, Like I tell my

444
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 2: musician friends, I said, if you write four hits, you're

445
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: going to play to you're ninety years old, because people

446
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: are always going to come to hear those four songs. Absolutely.

447
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: They may like your other music and they may, but

448
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: they want to hear those four songs. And comedy is

449
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: the exact opposite. If like in the old days, when

450
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 2: I would do a CD or an album or whatever,

451
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: or if I did a special, people go, oh that

452
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: was funny. What do you have that's new? Yeah, so

453
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: you're all they don't want to hear the greatest hits.

454
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: They want to hear the new stuff, and crap, it

455
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: gets hard. I mean you can't. You can't say, hey,

456
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go in there and do this

457
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: bit from twenty years ago because they've heard it, they

458
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: want something new.

459
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: How do you get used to having to keep going

460
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: back at it again and again and try to.

461
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 4: Make something better? Because you clearly did this have done.

462
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: This throughout your career. Not everyone's capable of doing that or.

463
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: Wants to do that, But how did you keep coming

464
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: back to the table, the drawing board and putting out

465
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: something else and trying something different?

466
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: I mean, there was always a work ethic, I guess

467
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: to it. It's like kind of do it again, kind

468
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: of do it again, And like comics are where comics

469
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: are probably not like people. I think most people think

470
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: they would be good goofballs. Like somebody said to me

471
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: one time, Oh, I'd love to go to a party

472
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: with you, I said, You'd be so disappointed because you

473
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: think I'm going to be standing in the middle of

474
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: the room making everybody laugh, I said, But in reality,

475
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm the guy standing in the corner watching other people

476
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: and creating something in my creating a story in my

477
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: mind off of what I'm hearing and see it. It's

478
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: how you are today, It's still is that how you

479
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: really are in real life? Yeah, And I think most

480
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 2: comics are like that. I mean you've got a few

481
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: that would be in the middle. Bob Newhart said one time,

482
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: he said, we're like magpies. We sit on the edge

483
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: of the gutter on the house and we just watch,

484
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 2: and when we see something shiny we like, we fly

485
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: down and we get it and we come back and

486
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: put it in our pile. And whether it's a combination

487
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: of words or an imitation of the way somebody walks,

488
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: or an observation about somebody's treat and that's what we do,

489
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: is we just we're observers. Most of us are very curious,

490
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: want to know stuff. Big readers in most comics I know,

491
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: can talk about a lot of subjects because they're just interested,

492
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 2: which is probably you know how I got interested in

493
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: this genre that you do is back in those early

494
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: I did eight years in a row. I did five

495
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: hundred shows a year, at least five hundred. How do

496
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: you even do that? There's not many days. Yeah, but

497
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: you're like, you know, if you're in New York, you're

498
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: doing two or three places on Friday night, three or

499
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: four places on Saturday night. You know, if you're playing

500
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: at a club somewhere, you might have two or three.

501
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: So I was literally on the road just all the time.

502
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: And this is way before cell phones, way before iPads,

503
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: and so you were a missing person the whole time.

504
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: I was a missing person, But I read. I would

505
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: read two, three, four books a week. And I think

506
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: the first one I ever read in this genre, I

507
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: was was watching something on the news about Ted Bundy,

508
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: and then I'm in the you know, the airport bookstore,

509
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: and there's the book The Stranger Beside Me, and and

510
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: and I read the first Bundy book and then I

511
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: was like, I was hooked. Why were you so intrigued

512
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: by that? You know, the fact that ay that it

513
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: he was so invisible, Yeah, that he got that, he

514
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: got away with that. I've always wondered It's like, what

515
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: craziness is in me that I like true crime so much?

516
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: It's like, if I what.

517
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: Have you found out?

518
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: I think it's accommodation of a lot of things. I think,

519
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: like I used to say as a comic that everybody's

520
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: family is crazy, everybody, even the one at this point

521
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: you look at and you think, oh god, that's a

522
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: great family. They're like, no, they're just as crazy as

523
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: they're really good at covering it up.

524
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, they make it look cute on the outside.

525
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: So I would always tell people here said, here's my advice.

526
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: Every year, at least once a year, go to the fair,

527
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: just so, just so you'll feel better about your own family.

528
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: Because you get in the fair and you start to

529
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: have a really nice start. Looking around, you're like, hell,

530
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: we're all right.

531
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: Man, you're those rides they have there too, which I

532
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: don't know why we just put up with this forever.

533
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: They pack those things up and they take them somewhere else. Yes,

534
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: they're the scariest.

535
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: No certification, no training to run the ride. Yeah, you know,

536
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: the indication it's a good ride. The only two places

537
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: on the planet where vomit are. The indication of a

538
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: good time is outside the fraternity house and outside the

539
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: right at the fair, you know, it's like time, like hey,

540
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: let's do this one, you know. But yeah, but you

541
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: see these people at the fair and you're like, oh

542
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: my god, where do these people live the right?

543
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: Where have they been hiding? They live in this county?

544
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there's something about true crime because everybody,

545
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, we all beat ourselves up. And then you

546
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: hear about a guy that cut twenty people's heads off,

547
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: and you're like, you know what, I'm okay, I'm I'm

548
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: not that pretty good guy. Yeah, So I think there's

549
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: that component of it. I get fascinated. It's like, I

550
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: think I would like to be a detective, really if

551
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't a comic.

552
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: We said, he already kind of you know, you're a

553
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: guy in the room and a party who's observing, right, so

554
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: you're clearly, you know, looking at human nature or personality

555
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out people and why they tick

556
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: or something.

557
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: Well, it's like when I listen to a podcast when

558
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: it begins, a lot of times I'll put it on

559
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 2: paulse and go, all right, what would I do first?

560
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: If you murge somebody? Huh? If you no?

561
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: No?

562
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: If I'm the cop and they find here's this though

563
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: we all have thought of that, if I had to

564
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: get rid of somebody away, how would I do it? Yeah?

565
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: But no, it's like when when you walk into the

566
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: ice cream shop and there's three people dead and I

567
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: sit there and I'll hit pause and go what would

568
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: I do? What would I do first? How would I

569
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: figure this out? So I think there's that component of it.

570
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: There's a there's a justice component of it because I

571
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: love justice. I don't like seeing people get especially innocent

572
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: people getting screwed over. Yeah, and that's probably from growing

573
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: up in hateful Georgia on the wrong side of the tracks, right,

574
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: It's like I've always kind of had a heart for

575
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: the underdog guy, and so I just think it's a

576
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: lot of things. Gosh, if if left to myself, it

577
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: is like people always want to see behind the curtains.

578
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: If you come on the road with me, what do

579
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: you do during the day. I'm usually sitting in my

580
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: hotel room watching Ida or something, you know, or forensic files.

581
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is wrong with me that this is that?

582
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: This is enter dainy.

583
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, so you said that you were reading books

584
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: on the road. Yeah, that was kind of your first

585
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I guess in the true.

586
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 2: Crime we didn't have podcasts, you didn't have you had

587
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: three TV stations. There were true crime books about someone

588
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: like Bundy. I remember one time I was working in Chicago,

589
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: I think at the Funny Bone in Naperville, and I

590
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: was working with a real funny guy named Mark Roberts

591
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: from the Midwest, and at the time I was reading

592
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: I can't even remember the name of the book, but

593
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: it was the ed gean and so we're you know,

594
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: you're staying in a comedy condo. We're probably making three

595
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: or four hundred bucks a week. Yeah. And so we're

596
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: walking to lunch somewhere, and I'm and I've gotten to

597
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: the good part of the book. So I'm walking with

598
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: Mark down the down the sidewalk. But I'm like, Mark, Mark,

599
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: you got to hear this. So it's like, Okay, when cops.

600
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: When cops went into his house, they found eight soup

601
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: bowls made out of human skulls. They found a belt

602
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: made out of nipples. They found the chairs in the

603
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: dining room were made out of bones and human skin.

604
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: And I remember Mark because it sounds almost like a

605
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: segment on the TV show. It's like Green Gen Crafts

606
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: with Geen. Okay, today we're going to make a living

607
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: room set. It sound so nice, make a living room

608
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: set out of your aunt fellas, you know. But I

609
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: think sometimes, all right, Jeff, you have bad thoughts. It's like, no,

610
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't look at somebody and think their skull make

611
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: a really good suit bowl, you know.

612
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: So if you did what you tell me, would you would?

613
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I don't think that kind of stuff. Yeah,

614
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: And let's get that's like a depravity that's like, where

615
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: does that? I think we're curious about that, right, and

616
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: just one do that? Right? Hey, how can somebody do that?

617
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: Be?

618
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: What would where do they have that thought? Yeah? Where

619
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: is the thought going from? Going? You know, would make

620
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: a good say there's you get there? Borders really close

621
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: to comedy because it's so extreme. It is so extreme. Yeah,

622
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 2: but that's kind of what comics are. Truth tellers. Comics

623
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: it's our job to stuff up and go why do

624
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: we do this? Why does this happen? And there's something

625
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: about that going why the hell would you look at

626
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: somebody and think, you know, I'll make a suit bowl

627
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: out of your skull? Right? Where does that thought come from? Yeah?

628
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: I thought there's a fine line.

629
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: Even just in my career as a podcaster, I've thought

630
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: about this a little bit where if I'm you know,

631
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: deep investigating an unsolved murder or something, and I'm you know,

632
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: kind of getting in the mind of this you know,

633
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: perpetrator or something or this person of interest, I start

634
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: to see this sort of weird fine line between like

635
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: the good guy and the bad guy or something where

636
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: my own curiosity about how he would think or what

637
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: he would do if it made sense, trying to make

638
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: sense of it in some way and what he's doing.

639
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: It's like we're just on different sides of.

640
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's a really fine line.

641
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

642
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean, like go back to so the terror Grinstead thing,

643
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: that's just probably two guys in a drunken moment making

644
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: a bad decision that escalates like a snowball down a hill. Yep. Now,

645
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: so let me ask you this. So from your side

646
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: of it, when you start pulling that thread, you have

647
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 2: no idea if there's going to be a satisfactory end

648
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: at the end of it, not at all. Does that

649
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: as you're going through it, do you think, oh crap,

650
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: this may end up being nothing.

651
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: I mean, you definitely have those moments of I mean,

652
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 4: it's maddening, I'll put.

653
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: It that way.

654
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 4: It's as a storyteller innately, that is maddening to not

655
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 4: be in control of the ending in that way.

656
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also psychos make a joke without that ending,

657
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: like a joke without a punchline. Yeah, exactly, you're doing

658
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: the whole setup.

659
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I've learned over the years that if

660
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: I can get enough things lined up and avenues to

661
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: go down. I can see some sort of ending that

662
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: will be satisfactory at the bare minimum. If I've become

663
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: convinced that these individuals did this, then I can do

664
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: as much as I can to prove.

665
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: That well, you know, and I mean I think what

666
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: you accomplished in that story probably propelled podcasts so far,

667
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: because then people that were listening with were like, hell,

668
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: I might be able to be part of the solution

669
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: of this. Yeah, but did you ever have trepidation as, Hey,

670
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm poking a hornet's nest here, and this my backfire

671
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: on me?

672
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred percent.

673
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: I mean when I.

674
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 4: First started, I was like, this is pretty scary.

675
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing this. Why am I poking around something?

676
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: Other people that did this may just drive by and

677
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: shoot me going out there. Yeah.

678
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: But in the headspace I was in, though I felt

679
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: like I had nothing to lose in my life.

680
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 4: Hit that point, my mom would probably be like, yeah.

681
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: Your life.

682
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, Mom, but like, my life's not going

683
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: so well right now.

684
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: Right.

685
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: I felt like a failed artist or something, and so

686
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I really kind of was willing to take that risk.

687
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: He got the most serious once the arrests were made

688
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: because I had a choice then to either hang it

689
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: up and just let it happen, or keep investigating this

690
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: now that I have two prime suspects to look into.

691
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: And I decided to keep going, and I doubled down again,

692
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: and we learned a lot more about oh a lot

693
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: what really happened. And that was a conscious decision that

694
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: was probably the scariest because now law enforcement was stay

695
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: out of my way, right, thanks, but go away.

696
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: Now, stay out of my way. Even though the work

697
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: you were doing kind of got them to the point

698
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: of being able to make the arrest.

699
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we'll take it from here.

700
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

701
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and I you know, I really

702
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: I've said this a few places. But all the years

703
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: later when they finally had the trial, Ryan Duke was

704
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: found not guilty, and I was really just blown away

705
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: that the five years after these arrests, they did really

706
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: no other work to convict this guy. They really just

707
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: kept the same exact narrative, like they were too stubborn

708
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: about it, and every like every detail that we brought

709
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: up in the podcast and up and vanished that kind

710
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: of poked a hole in it. Ye say, hey, that

711
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: was for you guys to look at and consider and

712
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: run with it. I'm not trying to, you know, damage

713
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: your case. But that's exactly what the defense did, was

714
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: use that kind of information that was that they could

715
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: find on their own too, right, It was just the truth.

716
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's yours is a little bit. At

717
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: least as a comic I have, I have a little

718
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 2: more control of how something ends totally. You know, while

719
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: we both love a story, I get to lead mine

720
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: more than yours kind of leads you.

721
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there's probably two different types of pressure,

722
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: because I mean, to me, that's one of the most

723
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: maddening parts about it. But I would imagine for a comedian,

724
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: the pressure to get up here and make you laugh

725
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: or do you even look at it like that?

726
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: Is it still like that to you?

727
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 4: Or are you just going to do your thing and

728
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: you're just going to let it be what it is?

729
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you have to have a little bit

730
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: of that. You have to have. I remember one night,

731
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: I've probably been doing it two or three years, and

732
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: I was on stage in Jacksonville and just for a

733
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: split second, I had the thought, what makes you think

734
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: what you have to say is more important than the

735
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: other three hundred people in this room. Wow. And then

736
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: I immediately went, you need to lock that in the base.

737
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: You need to go ahead. You're not going to be

738
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: able to do this. So I don't think i've ever now.

739
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: It's like you and I could be sitting here like

740
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: this and there could be fifty thousand people out there,

741
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: and if somebody came in and said, Jeff, you're on,

742
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: I'd be okay, I'll be back in an hour. Yeah.

743
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: I don't even think about it. Yeah. Yeah, but that's

744
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: probably from having some success to it and forty years. God,

745
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: if you're still scared though. I know guys like that.

746
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: I know guys that have been doing it twenty or

747
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: thirty years and they still throw up before they go on. Wow,

748
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: And I'm like, find something else to do.

749
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: He had forty years to get a new job. Yeah,

750
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: you must really like this.

751
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: So what do you think it is that makes people

752
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: so interested in true crime? I think it's the curiosity.

753
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: I think that's the curiosity of why somebody would do that, or.

754
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's different for everybody, but generally speaking,

755
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: the curiosity as to why someone would do that, because

756
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: it's just infathomable, like, how could your brain go there

757
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: to do something so wrong. And then also maybe from

758
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: a preventative measure of if this was some wolf in

759
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: sheep's clothing and he was out here doing this for

760
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: years detected, right, some Ted Bundy type guy, What were

761
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: the signs of that?

762
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: Right?

763
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: Like, how could I spot something like that? Even if

764
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: he's not a serial killer? What if he's just a

765
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: bad dude?

766
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: And how do I, you know, what can I learn

767
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: from this?

768
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: I think there's some of that in all of us

769
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: that are like, because we we want the bad guy

770
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: to look like the bad guy. Of course, you know,

771
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: easier that way. I think it's easier for my generation

772
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: over my children, we knew bad guys wore black and

773
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: white stripe suits and that black mask over their eyes.

774
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: You know, That's how you knew somebody was a bad guy.

775
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: Every time time running around here, they go ahead on

776
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: the black and white striped suit and the mask over

777
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: his eyes.

778
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: He was a bad, big bag with a big dollar

779
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 4: sign on it.

780
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. But I think there's part of us that

781
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, how do I avoid this happening

782
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: to me? Yeah? But there's also part of us I

783
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: really think that wants to solve the puzzle.

784
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: Oh, for sure, the puzzle. What do you mean, though,

785
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: how do you catch these people?

786
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? And and I was thinking this morning, knowing I

787
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: was coming to talk to you, I'm like, holy cow,

788
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: the cops in the fifties and sixties are the thirties

789
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: and they didn't have fingerprints, that didn't have DNA, you're

790
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: getting everything. How did they solve a case they didn't? Well,

791
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: there's a guy down there, he kind of he looked

792
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: a little bit like him hang him, you know what

793
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: I mean, A whole lot of proof. Oh my god.

794
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: No, it's kind of hard to look back and imagine that.

795
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean, these days, I feel.

796
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: Like it's a lot harder to get away with murder.

797
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: Oh a lot harder. I was. Uh. I was riding

798
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: with a buddy the other day and he asked me

799
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: out of the blues, like, all right, if you were

800
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: going to kill somebody you know comes up eventually one day,

801
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: because how would you do it? Yeah? And I said, well,

802
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: the hard thing nowadays is there's cameras everywhere everywhere, everywhere,

803
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: you you know, aside from riding down the road and

804
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: popping somebody walking down the south road with a Gaskin.

805
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: I don't know that you. Yeah, there's what do you do?

806
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, think about the cops that soft cases,

807
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: before fingerprints, before DNA, before cameras, before phones that tracked

808
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: our every movement.

809
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to be very conscious you're probably being recorded,

810
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: even when you don't think you are. Every house in

811
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: the neighborhood's got to ring camera. There's just stuff.

812
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: Everywhere, I don't know where. You're not susceptible, and yet

813
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 2: people are still doing bad.

814
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 4: And they're still getting away with.

815
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: That gen yeah, and still getting away with it. But

816
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: I almost think now the ones that get away with it,

817
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: it's just they're incredibly lucky. Oh.

818
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's not some genius out there. There's dumb luck.

819
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely dumb luck. Yeah. Ye try that again, yeah,

820
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens.

821
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: I was recalling some of the stuff you did back

822
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: in the day, and I remember the the Are You

823
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 1: Smarter Than.

824
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: A Fifth Grader? Show?

825
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 4: And I just thought this morning, I go, you know what,

826
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: I'm not.

827
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm not smarter than a fifth grader, I think, at

828
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: least not the ones on that show.

829
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 4: I mean, are those the smartest fifth graders on Earth?

830
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: Or no that we we they were really we would

831
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: do a nationwide search and they just wanted they wanted

832
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: fifth graders with good personalities that were smart. That one

833
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: like they were going around going, we want the genius kids.

834
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: But it's like when Mark Burnett called me about that,

835
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: he said, would you would you? Would you? He's got

836
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: that English kind of that alstray. He said, would you

837
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: be interested in hosting a game show? And I'm like, no,

838
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I said, it's too cheesy. I

839
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: don't want to do a game show because I was

840
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: picturing Wink Martindelle, you know, or something that big Mike

841
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: with that yeah whim loser and uh and I and

842
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: I asked him, I said, what's what's the premise of

843
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: the show. He said, adults taking an elementary school test

844
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: for a shot at a million bucks. And I just

845
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: started laughing. I said, that's stinking brilliant. Yeah, because everybody's

846
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: going to think they can do it. If I'm like,

847
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: I'll give you an elementary school test, You're like, I

848
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: be sure, yeah, But and you realize very quickly it

849
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: was like, when's the last time you you know? I

850
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: At one point when when we were doing rehearsals. I'm like,

851
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: all right, why is it that my brain kept all

852
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: the lyrics to the Gilligan's Island theme song, but it

853
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: deleted everything about triangles, you know, because there was a

854
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: question about a Isoceles triangle and I'm like, oh, I

855
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: knew that at one point in my life, but I

856
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: have no idea what an Isoceles triangle is.

857
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know room in there for that kind of stuff.

858
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 4: Less you're an engineer.

859
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: Right, you can only say you ever had.

860
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: To use that though, and you're life. No, no, do

861
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: you even know what it is today? I don't what

862
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: I saw the lease triangle?

863
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 4: No, like the Pythagorean theorem, Yeah, I know the word,

864
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: don't know what that is?

865
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: I a SIRIU. I'm like, what's the siri? To? Was like,

866
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: there's you have a pie in your ear? And what's

867
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 2: the I don't even know with the Pythagoreaean theorem, that's

868
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: not pie though, right, it's not.

869
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 4: No, you weren't cut this. See we're definitely not smarter

870
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: than questions.

871
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: And if it was, what is pie?

872
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 4: I know it's three point one four and it goes

873
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 4: a lot longer than that lot longer.

874
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: No, clue what else it is? How does it relate

875
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: to the equation? No idea.

876
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: See, that's what I'm talking about.

877
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: That's why that show worked. And it was funny because

878
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: they didn't they didn't have a problem with given away

879
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: the money. They went before the show and they were like,

880
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: this lady's really smart. We might be given away a

881
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: million bucks today and she'd go out on a second

882
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: grade grammar question.

883
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: You know, No, it's a it's a brilliant show and yeah.

884
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

885
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 4: So you were quickly like no game show host to.

886
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: And told me that. I'm like, that's well, because I thought, well,

887
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: I can be funny without being me. I mean, I

888
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: didn't want to make fun of people, but you know,

889
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: when somebody doesn't know a question that seven year olds

890
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: are answering, you can come yeah, but it's yeah, it's

891
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: good natured fun. Well, you're an adult, so it's okay.

892
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: And you thought you could win, that's why you came here.

893
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of yeah, yourself thought.

894
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: This was going to be easy, uh huh. Yeah. And

895
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: now now here's a little behind the scenes thing. So

896
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: I had a thing in my ear because the shows

897
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: were they were timed to fit so like in the

898
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: I had a little thing in my ear, and so

899
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: they were time in each segment for the where to

900
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: put the commercials in. So they might say to me, hey,

901
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: Jeff asked the question, but go to commercial before you

902
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: reveal the answer. So that was in the early days.

903
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: By the time year six year old around, they'd be

904
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: in my ear, going, look at the sweat stains on

905
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: this fatty over here. You know, holy yeah, this guy,

906
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: look at the pit stains on the And I'm two

907
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 2: feet away from the guy talking to him, and they're

908
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: in my ear. Just you know, you're like, stop it

909
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: trying to get you a crack. Yeah, Oh, they're trying

910
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: to make me laugh.

911
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just I've been thinking a lot

912
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: about you know, comedy.

913
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of comedy, and I feel like

914
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: it's it's changed a lot over the last couple of decades,

915
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: even just the climate around it. Right, just what it's

916
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: okay to say, what isn't okay to say? And I

917
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: know it's like a weird issue that is kind of

918
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: it can be looked at like this or that. I

919
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: feel like it would make it more challenging sometimes because

920
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: sometimes jokes are offensive but maybe that's why it's funny.

921
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that, right, It's like that was

922
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: the point, but maybe they're really funny.

923
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So what I did to dance that you

924
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 4: do well?

925
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: I like even over the the course of my career,

926
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: like because I did a lot of relationship material, and so,

927
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: like twenty years ago, I might have done something go,

928
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: why do women do this but guys do this? Then

929
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: you'd have people going, well, I'm a woman and I

930
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: don't do that, or I'm a guy, I don't do that.

931
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: So what I would do, I went, you know, I

932
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: will do this, but then my wife will turn around

933
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: and do that. So I'm like, all right, I'm not

934
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: make it general. It's me and my wife. But it's

935
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 2: almost gotten to the point now it's and probably younger

936
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: comics don't feel like this, but for the guy that's

937
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: been doing it, it's not as much fun as it

938
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: used to be because I think people don't laugh at

939
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: themselves as easily as they used to. Okay, yeah, and

940
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: here's my theory. I think we're all idiots. Yeah, nobody

941
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: has life figured out. I mean, I don't care who

942
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: you are, nobody has it figured out. Every Day every

943
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: one of us is coming to a thousand forks in

944
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: the road and using our best guests, we're going left

945
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: or right. We don't have it figured out, but we

946
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: kind of live in an age where everybody has to

947
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: be right. So if you say something, then on social media,

948
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: you're you're either wrong or right. You're either you're getting attacked. Well,

949
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: when when they have to be right, that means you

950
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: have to be wrong. Well, nobody wants to engage in

951
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: a conversation like that. So what you do is you

952
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: walk away, you shut down, and you walk away, and

953
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: we've lost any gray.

954
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 4: Area in your perspective. How do we get here?

955
00:52:53,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: It's like everybody with the Internet, everybody got a voice. Yeah,

956
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: whether you were educated on the subject or not.

957
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: Right, it's not about people having everyone being able to

958
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: have a voice. It's some of these people.

959
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: Are dumb. Well, that's it life. Yeah, you're you're, you're

960
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: you're on telling people, you know. It's like anytime somebody

961
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: tells me anybody acts like they have God figured out,

962
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: that's immediately a red flag to me. Though. It's like

963
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: I know you you're an idiot. I saw you run

964
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: over your trash can back and out of your driveway.

965
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: If you can figure God out, then God's not that

966
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: cool because you're an idiot. But we've kind of done

967
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: that in area every area of our lives, where people

968
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: speak with authority on the Internet on things they they

969
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: have no education or research about, and we've become a

970
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: skimming societ. And like I will say this like critical thinking.

971
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: And I tell other comics and for those listening when

972
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: I say critical thinking, that that doesn't mean being critical

973
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: of something. It means thinking to the next layer and

974
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: the next layer in the next layer. So like when

975
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: you're writing comedy, the setup is the part with no payoff.

976
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: That's there's no laugh in a setup, but it's you

977
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: have to have it to get to the point to

978
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: where you get the laugh. And so I tell other comics,

979
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you're going to go to all the

980
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: trouble to write the setup and then you get the

981
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: laugh while you're there, before you move to the next setup,

982
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: look at it and go is there another laugh here?

983
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: Is there another laugh? Here? Is? So that's critical thinking.

984
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: Let me think it down another layer, Let me think

985
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: it down. Like Jim Gaffigan is a great example of that,

986
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: where you where he can do a bit on hot pockets,

987
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: or he can do he can do twenty minutes on bacon. Yeah.

988
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: You know, if I told you write me twenty funny

989
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: minutes on bacon, you'd write, run out real quick, twenty seconds.

990
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: But it's because he's just set there. And well, as

991
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: a society, we don't and you know this in your business,

992
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: we don't. If you're looking at a YouTube video and

993
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 2: it's over six minutes, now, somebody looks at it goes

994
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. Hell, are you watching that? Are you like that? Yeah?

995
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like that. Yeah, But you know that's

996
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: like if a young comic asked me for advice, I said,

997
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: I can give you advice on how to write a joke.

998
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: I can give you advice on how to set up

999
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: a thing, but as far as the way the business goes,

1000
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: Like when I started, all I wanted to do was

1001
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: to be on Johnny Carson. But there were only three

1002
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: TV channels in the world, and if you weren't a

1003
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: comedian on Johnny Carson, you were in the upper one

1004
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: percent of what you did and it literally changed your life.

1005
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: That your life that night. I mean, I do it

1006
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: the next week. Casinos in Vegas are like, do you

1007
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: want to headline for no other reason than I made

1008
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: Johnny laugh and he called me to the couch. Wow.

1009
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: And so it was a career changer. And then you

1010
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: had records, you had albums, and then you had specials,

1011
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, and well now nobody buys records. Yeah, now

1012
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: nobody buys DVDs.

1013
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: You had platinum comedy albums multiple yeah, which is an

1014
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: old idea at this point, three or.

1015
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 2: Four time crazy to speak about it, right, Yeah. So yeah,

1016
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: like the first two I did, both of them have

1017
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: sold almost four million copies of piece. It's insane. Now

1018
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: if you have a comedy record and it sold fifty

1019
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: thousand copies, it would be through the roof smash hit.

1020
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. The business has changed some.

1021
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: I can't if you start a comedy in themar and

1022
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: said help me, yeah, I'm like, I can help you

1023
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 2: write jokes, I can't help you do the because now

1024
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: with the Internet, everybody's got a slice of pie. So

1025
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: you get exposure, but it's not as big of a

1026
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: slice of the pie. Twenty years ago, if you did

1027
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: a record, you were part of the one percent.

1028
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: Well, now just breaking through and being able to do that, right,

1029
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: but now you feel like it's.

1030
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 4: Kind of saturated in that way. Or just if you're

1031
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 4: really talented and you're.

1032
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: Really talented hard, I'm going to find your way to

1033
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: the top eventually. Right, it's just a different path than

1034
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: the path, yeah, like I mean, I mean, it's probably

1035
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: in what you do. If you're good at a podcast,

1036
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: and you know, I love the stuff you do, but

1037
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: I listen to all kinds of stuff. Well, through that,

1038
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: I'm able to judge these people are good, these people

1039
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: are not so good? Right, these people tell a good story.

1040
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: These people don't tell a good story, you know. And

1041
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many podcasts, true crime podcasts

1042
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: I've started that ten minutes into the first episode, I'm like,

1043
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm bailing. Yeah, too much of a commitment. This is

1044
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: not good. Well is a commitment? It is because I'm

1045
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: giving away my time, Oh yeah, totally to.

1046
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 4: Devote and you're like racking your brain on some puzzle.

1047
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, is it going to be worth it? But

1048
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: when when somebody's good at it, you become you're taking

1049
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: that journey with them to the point, you know, like

1050
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: me and my daughters are texting each other at night

1051
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: about did you hear the latest up in Vanish? What

1052
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: do you think about that? What do you so it

1053
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: becomes not just your story, but you're sharing it with

1054
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: other people, kind of like the whole Murdof thing became,

1055
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, where everybody in the country is texting at

1056
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah. Huge, Yeah, So it's interesting what did

1057
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: you think you were gonna do.

1058
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 4: At which at which stage before you started this?

1059
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: Because I know when I listened to the thing on

1060
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: and by the way, anybody out there, term podcaster is

1061
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: really good. It's a weird title, but it's really good.

1062
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: It's like how somebody is what would you call it? Well,

1063
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: it made totally it turned It made total sense once

1064
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: I listened to it. But I'm like, what the heck

1065
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: does that mean? Turn? Podcast? But so before you did it,

1066
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 2: where where did you think you were going to land?

1067
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 4: I didn't really know.

1068
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: But what I had pictured in my head was I

1069
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: had just viewed myself as a filmmaker storyteller in that way,

1070
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: and I'd been doing short films and stuff my whole life,

1071
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: so that was kind of part of my identity, and

1072
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: I felt like a failed filmmaker. And I decided one

1073
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: day that Hey, I'm really into true crime and this

1074
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: investigative journalism. How does one become that? Did they just

1075
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: decide one day that I want to do that? And

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01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: I just thought, well, I want to do that, so

1077
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to try. And I just listened to Cereal

1078
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: and I was blown away that I could be that

1079
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: enthralled by an audio story, because you know, my ADHD brain.

1080
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that's amazing.

1081
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: So I thought, maybe if I could make a podcast

1082
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: because I know how to edit, because I edited all

1083
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: my music videos and stuff, I.

1084
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: Could do it for cheap.

1085
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 4: That would be a stepping stone proof of concept to

1086
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 4: do this bigger film documentary idea I have.

1087
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: That's all it was to me.

1088
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: I didn't look at it as a career path or anything,

1089
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: but a hey, this is working. So maybe these Hollywood guys,

1090
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: whoever they are, however that happens, will take a shot

1091
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: on me to do a docuseries or a TV show

1092
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: or something.

1093
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: All right, So since you started that is your dream

1094
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: of what you want to do changed?

1095
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: No, I think that I added another layer to it.

1096
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: I realized that, hey, this podcasting thing is kind of fun.

1097
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 2: The creative liberty I have is not.

1098
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: To be taken for granted because even at the highest

1099
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: level of some HBO series, I'm going to take a

1100
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: back seat a little bit in the creative control.

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01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: I would imagine right, well, in my career, the thing

1102
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the least not the people, but what's the sitcom?

1103
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: Because I had a sitcom for a few years in

1104
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: the mid nineties. But they were like, they didn't even

1105
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: want me in the writing room. They were like, and

1106
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, who knows it's the Jeff Foxworthy show.

1107
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 4: Which is bizarre, hard to understand, but I totally get yoursel.

1108
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: But they were like, I'm like, who knows Jeff Foxworthy

1109
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: better than Jeff fox Not Jeff. It was me writing

1110
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: about me that made you give me the show, And

1111
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: they were like, well, this is TV, you know, And

1112
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: so you know. Then I get the script on Monday

1113
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: and I'm reading it going, oh, this is not good.

1114
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say this on stage, So that was the

1115
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: least fun part. But like, for you see, I think

1116
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: you have to be your game has to be better

1117
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: to do a podcast, to make somebody follow a story

1118
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: on a podcast, It's well, it's like with me as

1119
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: a comic, if I don't have the benefit of you

1120
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: seeing me, you know, are making it look real pretty,

1121
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: or me raising an eyebrow and do in a funny face.

1122
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: If you can't see me, if I just have to

1123
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: make you laugh with my words, Yeah, I got to

1124
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: work harder.

1125
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that's actually a great example the your comedy audio.

1126
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 4: You can't lean on that visual component of.

1127
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: Not at all, just the physical or something right, even

1128
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: what I might be doing on stage, because I was

1129
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: always kind of physical and would roll on the floor

1130
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: and you're not doing that on a record. Yeah, you're

1131
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: not doing that on the railway. Do you make it?

1132
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 4: Did you sharpen your tools from that?

1133
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: You think? I think so, because there were and so,

1134
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 2: like you're saying, it was just a different thing. I

1135
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 2: learned to do comedy in a lot of different forms.

1136
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 2: Like you had the live stand up show where I

1137
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: could raise the eyebrow, do the funny face and run

1138
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: around in a circle. But then you have the element

1139
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: where you were making a recording where you couldn't do this.

1140
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: Then I wrote like twenty something books. Well, reading it

1141
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: is totally different than saying it, even though you might

1142
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: be a redneck. Jokes the calendar, those they read differently

1143
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: they do. There's some that are funny to read that

1144
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: don't work as well when you try to say them,

1145
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: and vice versa, and you know. And then I invented

1146
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: a game on the spot. Like we were at Thanksgiving

1147
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 2: and the kids, I say kids, they were all in

1148
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: their twenties, but they were playing cards against humanity, whether

1149
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: grandparents were there, in their aunts and uncle and I'm like,

1150
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: you can't do this. You've got to go to the

1151
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 2: basement or somebody's going to have a stroke. They get

1152
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: the kitchen table. But literally, I was sitting there almost

1153
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: probably like you with the podcast, and I'm going, all right, well,

1154
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: why can't you have a funny game that you could

1155
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: play in front of your aunts and uncles? Smart? And

1156
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 2: I always keep stacks of note cards. And I went

1157
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: in my office and I got like five hundred note

1158
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: cards and I literally sat there that night while visiting

1159
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: with people, and I wrote five hundred punchlines, five hundred

1160
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: things that night that sound funny. They it's like, I

1161
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: have one like that, but mine's green. I have mold

1162
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: on my I have molded my cross space. It sounds funny.

1163
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: What does it mean? You know? It's bad? Yeah, I

1164
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: don't think I would touch that, you know whatever, And

1165
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: so I wrote five hundred punchlines. And then I thought,

1166
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: all right, what does everybody have in common? Everybody's family's

1167
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: crazy everybody, So why don't you write a hundred setups

1168
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: about families? Okay, so the setup might be right. Before

1169
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: we walked down the aisle, Daddy leaned over to me

1170
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: and whispered blank. So everybody at the cart has seven punchlines,

1171
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: and they hear the setup, and they look through their

1172
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: punchlines and they go this again. The biggest left. So literally,

1173
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 2: in a day and a half, I made a game

1174
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: and it was the Easies. You can learn to play

1175
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: it in ten seconds. Yeah, but it made people laugh.

1176
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: And I set the family cousins, grandparents down at the

1177
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: table and handed out these note cards and said here's

1178
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: how you play it. Play it, and I just recorded

1179
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: them and they're laughing. Well, it ended up becoming the

1180
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: number one game on Amazon, and I thought, it's family

1181
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: relative Relative insanities the name of the game. So but

1182
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: when I sat back I later I went, oh, well

1183
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: that's cool. That's another way to make people laugh that

1184
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to id. I knew how to

1185
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: do it in the written form. I knew how to

1186
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: do it in the film form, but I didn't know

1187
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: how to do it like in a game. Yeah. So,

1188
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: but it's like your storytelling, Well, there's just different avenues

1189
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: to tell stories. Yeah.

1190
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it was I didn't have the

1191
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 1: crutch of the visual element of an establishing shot or

1192
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: a expression on someone's face, or a mood or tone

1193
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: in the lighting, stuff that I had gotten used to

1194
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: using to tell stories like that or or just at all,

1195
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: And so I had to kind of learn how to

1196
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: do it without that and not feel like I'm beating

1197
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: you over the head to over describe what's happening where

1198
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: it feels like I'm trying to make up for that.

1199
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: But I think just throughout my career of telling stories

1200
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: that way, I got better at storytelling.

1201
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 2: And I think the vision, I think you got better

1202
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 2: at it over the course of up and vanished. Yes, exactly. Yes,

1203
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: Like so the guy at the newspaper there, Dusty dus

1204
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: that what you're doing, you're you're making us make a

1205
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 2: movie in our mind, and so you have to describe

1206
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: whereas you're filming it. You don't necessarily have to describe Dusty.

1207
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 4: Very well, right right, you can see yourself.

1208
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've so there's l elements of that. So

1209
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: it's actually pretty cool that you've learned an entirely different

1210
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: skill set all under that banner of storyteller.

1211
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 4: It is, and I think had I not.

1212
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I had the ambition back then, but

1213
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I had the chops really to go

1214
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: do some bigger TV thing that I wanted to do.

1215
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: Just looking back at how I would craft a story

1216
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: back then, I've had to do it in different ways

1217
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: where now when I think visually or I have the

1218
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: opportunity to, I'm thinking way differently about it. And there's

1219
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: some sort of nuance to just the backbone of a

1220
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: story that I strengthened in just practicing.

1221
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got more tools in your tool web. No, yeah, exactly.

1222
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 2: Do you ever think about that as you're doing a podcast? Going?

1223
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: All right, if I was to turn this into a

1224
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: mini series or a movie, how would I do it?

1225
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 4: I still think very much visually.

1226
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, the second I put out a

1227
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: podcast back when I was releasing up in Vanished season one,

1228
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: every week I was making them week to week, which

1229
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: was really insane, and I mean.

1230
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: And I mean, it's not like you have this place either. No, no,

1231
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: it's you do. It was me up till well do

1232
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: your grandma making you cookies?

1233
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and just broke as a joke and involved

1234
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: in some murder story that everyone's talking about. It was

1235
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: weird times. But I would, you know, upload the episode

1236
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: and the next morning I get like three hours of sleep,

1237
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: and I would listen to it one time once it

1238
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: was already published, because I knew that it was too late.

1239
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: Now did you, however, I felt about it. Did you

1240
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: hate the sound of your own voice?

1241
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 4: I did in the very beginning. I did to this day.

1242
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: Like if I go back, like I can't watch myself,

1243
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: I don't like it either, really, But but if I

1244
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 2: go back and listen to myself, I just crine, oh man,

1245
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: Like I used to do the Tonight Show, which you

1246
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: would film it in in La at four or five o'clock,

1247
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: so we my wife would we'd go to have dinner,

1248
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: and then we'd come home and people on the East

1249
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 2: coast would see it and they would call, and you know,

1250
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: then it would become West Coast time and I could

1251
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: watch the whole thing. The monologue, and when it came

1252
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: part for me to go, I would get up and

1253
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: walk out of the room and just be like in

1254
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: the bathroom, why yelling at my wife for you tell

1255
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: me when it's over? Because I hated the way I sounded,

1256
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 2: I hated the way I acted things out. I hated

1257
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 2: the whole thing. And she's like, it's good, come back

1258
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 2: in here. I'm like, nah, I don't want to see it.

1259
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear. Yeah, So having to be

1260
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 2: you're on critique of yourself that had to be hard.

1261
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: It was.

1262
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 4: I listened to it once and then never again. Yeah,

1263
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 4: and I would remember.

1264
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't need a reminder of what I would change

1265
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: or didn't like about that. I knew I didn't like

1266
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: the way I said that or whatever.

1267
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: So do you think would you ever not do this,

1268
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: like I said, even though I've gotten to do the

1269
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: other things, I would always do stand up. Would I

1270
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,520
Speaker 2: ever not make podcasts? Yeah?

1271
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say. I feel like, if

1272
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: I were to answer it, just gun to the head here,

1273
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: I'll probably always make podcasts to a.

1274
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: Degree, because you kind of talked your brain to work

1275
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 2: that way a little bit.

1276
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even if I went off on some amazing

1277
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: film career stint, which is still just a dream of mine. Yeah,

1278
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm might do that for a decade and say, you

1279
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna make a podcast again. Yeah, And

1280
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: so I think that that's always in the cards, and

1281
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 1: it's something I've fell in love with and I also

1282
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: respect because it would It's given me so many opportunities

1283
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: to do anything else but a podcast, right, So I

1284
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: respect it in that way.

1285
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: You know, podcasts are kind of intimate. M Yeah, in

1286
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Speaker 2: that if I'm going to watch your film, I've got

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Speaker 2: to go to the theater, you know, our worst case,

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01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: I got to sit in my living room. But there's

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Speaker 2: but like when somebody's listened to you. They're listening to

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Speaker 2: you when they're getting out of the shower, they're listening

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01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: to you, when they're laying in the bed, they're listening

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Speaker 2: to you while they're making dinner. There's kind of an

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Speaker 2: when you get involved in a podcast, there's an intimacy

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 4: You know, did you feel like you knew me in

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Speaker 4: some way?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I felt like because you were pretty

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Speaker 2: honest up front. It's like, hey, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: I'm doing, but I think this is a good story.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the the creative in me is rooting

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Speaker 2: for you A for I always tell my kids, I said,

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 2: if your life's going to be cool, you need a

1303
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: few hold your nose and jump moments. Yeah, where you

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01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. I quit IBM to

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Speaker 2: be a comic, which is one my mother's first question was,

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Speaker 2: are you on the dope?

1307
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Speaker 4: Whatever the do not just dope the that dope?

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01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? But yeah, and I went. I think the first

1309
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Speaker 2: year I did comedy, I did four hundred and six

1310
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Speaker 2: show that made eighty three hundred dollars. But there was

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Speaker 2: never a moment that that I thought, oh I made

1312
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Speaker 2: a mistake, or I wish I hadn't done this, or

1313
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: I should have staked. Did you ever have a moment

1314
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Speaker 2: where you were going and maybe I shouldn't have done this?

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01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, small things here and there, nothing that would

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Speaker 1: never change.

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Speaker 2: You were driving back and forth a lot. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was driving back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I mean there was I would change stuff in hindsight,

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Speaker 1: but I never felt regret of anything. The scariest thought

1321
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 1: I've ever had is what if I didn't make a podcast?

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Speaker 1: What if I was too scared. I was too scared,

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Speaker 1: but I just did it. Anyways, doesn't mean I didn't

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Speaker 1: overcome my fear. I was still scared. I just did it.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about what if I didn't quit?

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Speaker 2: IBM? Yes, you know what kind of that's a scary thought.

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Speaker 2: You know what gave me. I was sitting because I

1328
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 2: was weighing it back and forth. And you know, I mean,

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: it was a good job, right, It had had health benefits,

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Speaker 2: had dental but I knew I loved doing and I

1331
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 2: was doing going around town at night doing stand up

1332
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Speaker 2: and I knew I loved and I was sitting in

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Speaker 2: the breakroom. This was like a blessing from God. And

1334
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the breakroom by myself one afternoon, and

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Speaker 2: there's three and I'm twenty four, and there's three like

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Speaker 2: guys in there's sixty sitting at a table across the

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Speaker 2: breakroom and I'm just listening to them slate in the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: And one of them goes, you know, I wish I'd

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Speaker 2: have bought a hardware store. I always dreamed about having

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Speaker 2: a hardware store. I think I would have loved to

1341
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Speaker 2: have had a hardware store. And one of the other goes, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I wish i'd have done And I thought, I can

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Speaker 2: just see it now. I thought, I do not want

1344
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Speaker 2: to be sitting in this breakroom when I'm sixty two

1345
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Speaker 2: years old, going I wish I had tried to be

1346
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Speaker 2: a comedian. Now, did I have any idea that you know,

1347
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: ignorance is bliss. I didn't know the odds stacked against me,

1348
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Speaker 2: but I thought I might get away with it for

1349
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: a few years, and then I would have a cool

1350
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Speaker 2: story to tell my grandkids to go, hey, your grandpa

1351
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 2: was a comedian for a few years. But it was

1352
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 2: a hold your nose and jump moment. You had no

1353
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: idea what was going to happen. But and we kind

1354
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: of live in a world where people always say, well,

1355
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 2: you need to follow your passion. You need to follow

1356
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Speaker 2: your passion. I've evolved on that because sometimes people have

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Speaker 2: passions for things that they're not good at.

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Speaker 4: Like I tell them that, yeah, tell the pivot.

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: I love music. I can't sing worth a crap and

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01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 2: I can't play an instrument. So maybe instead of following

1361
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 2: your passion, you ask people what are you good at? Yeah,

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01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: what are you good? Well, since the time I was

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01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 2: a kid, I could always make people laugh. Yeah, to

1364
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Speaker 2: the point I can't even take credit for it because

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 2: I don't know why I can do it. Yeah, you

1366
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 2: could say to me, hey, I've got a T shirt

1367
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Speaker 2: company and I need I need fifty shirts about home security,

1368
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: and I could literally go in the corner with a pad.

1369
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Speaker 2: In twenty minutes, I bring you back fifty T shirts. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I can do that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: can always have been Yeah, I can just do that.

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Speaker 2: So I can't even take any ego in it, because

1373
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 2: but there's different when you're good at something and you're

1374
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 2: a storyteller. You know, you said that in term partage,

1375
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 2: that's what I do. Well, I've always been fascinated with stories.

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Speaker 4: You Oh, I know.

1377
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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, it's but you can do it in a

1378
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,440
Speaker 2: lot of different ways. You can do it as a filmmaker,

1379
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 2: you can do it as a podcaster, you can do

1380
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: it in the written form. Yep, just like I can

1381
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: do what I do in a lot of different ways,

1382
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 2: and it's kind of fun to explore a different way

1383
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: to do it.

1384
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Speaker 1: Sometimes feels fresh again, it feels the challenges is refreshing.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes, Like I thought I hated TV from the sitcom experience.

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Speaker 2: And then a few years later, when we were doing

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Speaker 2: the Blue Collar Comedy Tour, they said, hey, would you

1388
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Speaker 2: like to do a sketch show like a Saturday Night Live?

1389
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Speaker 2: And I loved it when I could walk in and go, hey,

1390
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Speaker 2: I got an idea. I want to weigh four hundred

1391
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Speaker 2: pounds and have Elvis sideburns.

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Speaker 4: And they were like, yeah, let's do it, and you

1393
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 4: can make that happen.

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Speaker 2: And so I thought I hated television. What I hated

1395
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: was playing somebody else's idea of who Jeff foxworthly was Yeah,

1396
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Speaker 2: And I went on to enjoy a lot of things,

1397
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 2: you know, fifth grade, a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: But when you made that leap from IBM and into comedy,

1399
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 4: you didn't know what level of success you would achieve

1400
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:55,839
Speaker 4: or even probably could achieve.

1401
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:57,480
Speaker 2: So that clearly.

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01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 4: Wasn't the tipping point for you, right, some wet I thought, right.

1403
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 2: I thought I could be good at it. Well that part,

1404
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 2: now here's the thing. Only knew Atlanta. So I could

1405
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 2: look at all the eight by ten's on the wall

1406
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: of the punchline in Atlanta, and out of the five

1407
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 2: hundred pictures there, I would say, hey, I'm not the

1408
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 2: best one. But I might be number fifteen. Right now,

1409
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 2: you're on the list, But I'm on the list out

1410
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 2: of these five hundred, I know where I rank. The

1411
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 2: problem came is then I would go to Chicago and

1412
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: there would be five hundred pictures up that I'd never

1413
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: seen before. Then I go to New York there were

1414
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 2: a thousand more I'd never seen. Then I'd go to

1415
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 2: LA and I'm like, holy hell, I had no idea this.

1416
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 2: Many people were trying to do that. But I think

1417
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: the advantage of having a job is I had a

1418
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 2: work ethic. I always worked at it. I would tape

1419
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: my show, i'd come back, I'd listen to it, I'd

1420
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 2: make notes. My wife, bless her Heart, would go around

1421
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: the country and sit in the back of the club

1422
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: with a notepad and go, this is fuzzy, doesn't make

1423
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: sense for yeah. And so I was always working at

1424
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: it because I knew one day the bottom would fall out,

1425
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 2: and I had to be above the cut line when

1426
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: the bottom fell.

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01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 4: What does that mean for you? You did the bottom

1428
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 4: fall out?

1429
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: Well, I knew the comedy club boom oh I see

1430
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: was going to be oh it was nothing lasts forever,

1431
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 2: and so I didn't want to be calling a club

1432
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: in Minnesota and going, hey, you don't know me, but

1433
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 2: and so I would drive to Minnesota and do it,

1434
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: and they go, oh, Jeff's funny. That's smart, Jeff's funny.

1435
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: So when the bottom falls out, they'll still book Jeff.

1436
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know. I didn't know back then

1437
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: that I would ever get out of the club days.

1438
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: I just knew. I enjoyed it. I knew the first

1439
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 2: minute and a half I did it. I'm like, oh,

1440
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 2: this is what I was born to do. Yeah. I

1441
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: was scared to death, but yeah, I'm like, oh I

1442
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: found my purpose. You know. Let the old Mark Twain

1443
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: thing two most important days of your life you were

1444
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 2: born in the day you figure out why? Right? So true?

1445
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, literally, oh, this is why I

1446
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 2: was born. This is what I'm good.

1447
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 4: I want to make a strange pivot here.

1448
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: Please, because we're not even talking about true crime podcast. Well,

1449
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: we can talk about whatever we want, okay.

1450
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: I heard that you wanted to talk about the jfk assassination.

1451
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 4: Well in some way, shape or form.

1452
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: So my daughter was asking me how did I get

1453
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: like interested in this kind of stuff? And I said, well,

1454
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: I think it probably began with the JFK assassination. And

1455
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 2: again kind of the same, that's probably true crime.

1456
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 4: It's like, it's definitely true crime, but.

1457
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: Ye did it. Maybe it's part of my job, is

1458
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: that skepticism. It's yeah, but I mean of the official

1459
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 2: narrative kind of thing. Yeah, it just stinks. It didn't

1460
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: smell right. And I actually I felt bad for young

1461
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 2: people today because I think there was a time for

1462
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 2: us older people that somebody was telling us the truth

1463
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: about some things, right, at least a few things, but

1464
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 2: they took it to the grave or what well that

1465
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. My mom's eighty seven now, and I

1466
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 2: told my brother not long ago, I said, you know,

1467
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: if you live long enough, you'll find out a lot

1468
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 2: of stuff about your family because your aunts and uncles

1469
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: would just you know, your cousin Stevie was born out

1470
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: of wedlock. It was like, no, I didn't know that.

1471
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 4: Now I do, Hey, Stevie, let's talk about this.

1472
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but but like young people now have been

1473
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: lied to their whole lives. Do you feel like it

1474
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: has an experiment the other by.

1475
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 4: Their parents or what by everybody everybody?

1476
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: Did you ever watch the Vietnam war by uh Burns,

1477
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 2: ken Burns, kN Burns, I have not seen that. No,

1478
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 2: you need to go watch it because it's it's it's

1479
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,839
Speaker 2: Lyndon Johnson sitting in a meeting going all right, tonight,

1480
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna load up four hundred planes and we're bombing

1481
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: the piss out of Hanoi tonight. And then he would

1482
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 2: go on TV, my fellow Americans, there is no bombing

1483
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: going on in Vietnam, and you're like, oh my god,

1484
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 2: he's looking at you in the eyes and lying to you. Yeah.

1485
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: So I don't even know what was the point. The

1486
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 2: other night on stage, I asked the crowd, I go,

1487
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 2: how many people trust your government? Not one people raise there?

1488
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: I said, how many people trust the media? Not one

1489
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: person raised their How many people trust advertise? And I'm like,

1490
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 2: what does that say about us?

1491
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 4: Well?

1492
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: We used to, didn't we as human beings? Did you

1493
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 2: trust the media when you were going? I did? I

1494
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 2: thought Walter Cronkite was telling me the truth is it.

1495
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 4: Was it different back then? Or do we know too

1496
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 4: much now?

1497
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:17,799
Speaker 2: Or I think it's maybe a little bit of both. Yeah.

1498
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: You know, like my farm is down near Callaway Gardens. Well,

1499
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,839
Speaker 2: the older generation of the Callaway family. Franklin Roosevelt FDR

1500
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: would come down to White House, Warm Springs. Yeah, down there, Well,

1501
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: he would hang out with a Callaway family. And I

1502
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: was talking to people down there that were saying, oh yeah.

1503
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: When he would come down here for dinner, the Secret

1504
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 2: Service guys would have to pick him up out of

1505
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: the car and carry him up the stairs. And this

1506
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 2: was the chair that he sat in because he had

1507
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: polio could but the American public didn't know he had polio.

1508
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 2: How did they pull that off? How did they pull

1509
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: that off?

1510
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 4: I mean he was president for four terms.

1511
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean how do they take that off? Yeah?

1512
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 4: We believed everything back then.

1513
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now, like watching that thing with Johnson, I'm like, hell,

1514
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: they've always been lying to.

1515
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 4: Us, right, that's maybe that hasn't changed. We know more now. Also,

1516
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 4: there's more ways to find that out.

1517
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, there are, But what does that do

1518
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: to us as human beings? When so, who do you trust?

1519
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: Like to distrust? You mean, yeah, who do you truy?

1520
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 2: You know? The media is lying to you know, advertising's

1521
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: lying to you because advertising told you, Hey, if you'd

1522
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: get this car, you'd be happy. And now you've got

1523
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: the car, and you're not any happier than you were. Yeah.

1524
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 4: I just don't trust the media, I think at this point.

1525
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 1: And I mean I think for some people that might

1526
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 1: be a lot harder because maybe they grew up trusting

1527
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: it and it's hard to let go of. But I

1528
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: think with what I do, I couldn't blindly trust that.

1529
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 2: What do you think? Okay? So so so what does

1530
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 2: that do us as human beings? I wish I did that.

1531
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 2: We but which makes us? And maybe that's part of

1532
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: the appeal of true crime. So we are so hungry

1533
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 2: for the truth. Yeah, we're desperately hungry for the truth

1534
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 2: who did this? Yeah? And maybe that's what true crime

1535
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: gets at is we're going to find out who did this,

1536
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 2: and here's an element of truth in this. Yeah. And

1537
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 2: I think comedy is a little bit the same way

1538
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: is once you take away and that's the danger of

1539
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: this political correct age that we're going through. And what

1540
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm hoping is the pendulum's just swung. Yeah. Do you

1541
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: feel like ways far one way?

1542
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 4: Chapter and a I don't know, large book that has

1543
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 4: many more chapters that I hope so come around.

1544
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: Maybe you know the pendulum is too far this way?

1545
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 2: And it needs to sure, but maybe not. I mean,

1546
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: but once you take away a comedian being able to

1547
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,799
Speaker 2: tell the truth, there's no need for a comedian. Yeah.

1548
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: If I've got a tiptoe around, I'd like I did

1549
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: a thing on the last special. I said, you know,

1550
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 2: when I was growing up, if you wanted a trophy,

1551
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 2: you had to finish in first place. Well, I had

1552
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 2: people go online and go, you bastard, you are the

1553
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Your generation is the or the people that gave my

1554
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 2: generation the participation trophies. And I'm like, I didn't. I

1555
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I was. I clearly also got a participation trophy. Yeah. Well,

1556
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 2: but I was staying in a fact in nineteen sixty eight,

1557
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: if you wanted a trophy you had to finish in

1558
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 2: first place. That is a fact. That's a fact.

1559
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 4: That's the truth. Yeah, no, I it's the truth.

1560
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 2: And when you take away that, yeah, then the joke's gone. Yeah,

1561
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: and the joke is the comparative. You know, they're tech

1562
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 2: with first place? Were you in the league? Yeah, here's

1563
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 2: a trophy.

1564
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 4: Well, if you go see a rated AR movie, right,

1565
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 4: you might see some brief nudity or here's some here

1566
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 4: the F word.

1567
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: But you knew that going into it, right, it's rated R.

1568
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: You go to a comedy show or you turn on

1569
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: a comedy set, you're you're intentionally there. No one's drug

1570
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: you here. Now you're saying, hey, I'm willing to participate

1571
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,440
Speaker 1: in whatever this is to a degree, Well.

1572
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: You know what made you watch it? And if you

1573
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 2: can't laugh at yourself, it's like, right, you know, here's

1574
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 2: the truth about human beings. We're all wrong about something.

1575
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 2: You're wrong about some idea you have, You're wrong about something,

1576
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 2: you're wrong about something, you're I'm wrong. And the truth

1577
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 2: is we're wrong about a lot of something absolutely. So

1578
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: if you will at least give yourself that grace to

1579
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: go over the course of my life, I might change

1580
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 2: my mind about a lot of things. Now I don't

1581
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 2: have to be right. Yeah, And now you and I

1582
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 2: can talk and I can listen to what you know,

1583
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 2: and you can listen to what I know, and maybe

1584
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: it changes my opinion a little bit or it changes yours. Yeah,

1585
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: if you're willing to admit, hey, I don't know everything

1586
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 2: and I might be wrong about something.

1587
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: Which is hard for some people. I think that no

1588
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: one likes being wrong. It's not usually fun. If you

1589
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: were to choose, hey, you have to be right or wrong,

1590
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: you'd probably choose right because it is easier.

1591
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1592
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 4: So, like, no one wants to be wrong, but no

1593
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 4: one is.

1594
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 2: Always right, right that no one's always right.

1595
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay to be wrong too. I think that

1596
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 4: being wrong is how you get smarter.

1597
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was thinking about that, like as

1598
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: opposed to to cases where people have been wrongfully convicted,

1599
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: and those make for interesting podcasts. Absolutely, But how do

1600
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: you eliminate the possibility of that happened? Is you have

1601
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: to do away with the justice system, which is not

1602
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 2: a good answer either, Right, Yeah, it just needs Sometimes

1603
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 2: we're wrong. Sometimes we're wrong on a small level. Sometimes

1604
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:10,759
Speaker 2: we're wrong on a big level. Yep. But good lord,

1605
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm sixty five. Were there were things,

1606
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 2: there were ideas that I vehemently believed forty years ago.

1607
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 2: Give me one that I've totally changed my mind on. Well,

1608
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: I just think I'm much I'm much more gray in

1609
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 2: areas than I used to be. I told my kids,

1610
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 2: I said, man, I missed my thirty year old body,

1611
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't trade my sixty year old mind to

1612
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 2: get it back. Is there's just more gray, you know

1613
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: you it's everybody's going through something. Everybody's going through a struggle.

1614
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 2: It might be financial, it might be physical, it might

1615
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 2: be emotional. And so my whole life I've tried to

1616
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: be like, you know what, just have grace with people

1617
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 2: because you don't know their story. And I think I

1618
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 2: learned that from working at a homeless mission. Really, I

1619
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 2: worked down at the Atlanta Mission every week for twelve years.

1620
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 4: So what you learn in that process? Then, well, like.

1621
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 2: The first guy ever, because I'm like, how do you

1622
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 2: get a job? That was kind of always that's an.

1623
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Easy just thought to have. That's kind of not considerate.

1624
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 2: Come on, quit being lazy to get a job. Sure,

1625
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: the first guy I met when I was down there.

1626
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 2: Now you're talking about downtown Atlanta, twenty one year old

1627
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 2: white kid in the Homeless mission. And my first thought is, dude,

1628
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: get a job, seriously. Stop. And his name was Jason.

1629
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,799
Speaker 2: And were sitting down there at the mission having lunch

1630
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 2: and I asked him his story. I'm like, Jason, what's

1631
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 2: your story? Like you like, what's your excuse? Is what

1632
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 2: you're I was the idea, that's the implied, but it's

1633
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 2: the same what's your story? How do you end up here?

1634
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 2: And he goes, well, you know, it was me, my brother,

1635
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 2: my mom, and my dad. And when I was thirteen,

1636
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 2: my mom killed herself. Wow, he said. Two years after that,

1637
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 2: my brother killed himself. He said, So it was me

1638
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 2: and my dad for a bunch of years, and then

1639
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 2: my second year of college, my dad killed himself. And

1640
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: he said, to be honest, we I got to the

1641
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: point where I could not hurt anymore, so I dropped

1642
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 2: out of school and start smoking crack. Wow. And I'm

1643
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 2: sitting there going, holy hell, I would have started smoking

1644
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: crack too. Yeah, for sure. Well you smoke crack, you

1645
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 2: lose your job, you lose your apartment. You're on the street. Now.

1646
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 2: The cool end of the story was Jason has since

1647
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 2: got his nursing degree and he's been sober almost thirteen years.

1648
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 2: Oh wow, but that's an interesting story. So you think,

1649
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 2: you know I I and taking the time to learn

1650
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 2: somebody's story. I'm like, holy hell, I was totally wrong

1651
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: about everybody on the street. Yeah, and the and the

1652
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 2: more people I met on the street. It wasn't always

1653
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 2: the case. I mean sometimes it was mentalism, sure, but

1654
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 2: almost every one of something really bad had happened to

1655
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 2: them young, sexual, physical, emotional abuse, and they couldn't they

1656
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 2: couldn't handle the pain of it, so they started numbing,

1657
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 2: either with alcohol or drugs. And you're not employable right

1658
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: when you're an addict. And so really the addictions, the symptoms,

1659
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 2: it's the hurt that started the whole thing. But that's

1660
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 2: you know, once you start learning that, you're like, oh, hell,

1661
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 2: I was wrong about you. I was wrong about you.

1662
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 2: So I think we have to be open to the

1663
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 2: fact that we don't know every thing. This is being

1664
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 2: consciously considerate.

1665
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, hey, like, because you don't literally know, you do, you.

1666
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: Have no idea, right, and you don't want to be naive,

1667
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 2: but I think you do have to give people at

1668
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 2: least a chance to learn their story, mane.

1669
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 4: Or you're just making assumptions.

1670
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think you know. I remember being

1671
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 2: a kid in Hateville where I grew up. Nobody had

1672
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: much money. Well, I always had really good baseball. Yeah,

1673
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: And I remember one time, and I won't even say

1674
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: the name of the school because you'll know it, but

1675
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 2: we went to play one of the private schools in Atlanta,

1676
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 2: and when we got off the bus. They were making

1677
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,440
Speaker 2: fun of our uniforms because we had like old, crappy uniform.

1678
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 4: Oh like just like they weren't like new and nice now.

1679
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 2: They were kind of old and beat up and that sucks. Yeah,

1680
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 2: but I remember them making fun of us, and I

1681
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: remember being a you know, fourteen, fifteen year old kid,

1682
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 2: thinking you don't know anything about me. You know nothing

1683
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 2: about me. You're just well. Now, because i've been successful

1684
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 2: at what I do, people think, oh, you're rich. Oh

1685
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 2: is that annoying? You're this, this, this, and I'm like now,

1686
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:16,959
Speaker 2: same guy, different shirt, Yeah, same same guy was at fifteen,

1687
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,440
Speaker 2: different better shirt, be better shtter threads. Yeah.

1688
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 4: I think some people aren't like that, the good ones are.

1689
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 4: I think the good ones don't change.

1690
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 1: I think some people change negatively sometimes.

1691
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 4: Throughout success or whatever.

1692
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: I think it's just kind of a cop out viewpoint

1693
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: to make assumptions.

1694
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 4: Like, oh, you're rich, And I was like, I don't know,

1695
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 4: I don't know anything, right I would. I don't like

1696
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 4: that about myself right.

1697
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 2: Well, but so this has been like ten years ago.

1698
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 2: But I was doing an interview and a lady said

1699
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 2: to me, Okay, you do stand up. You host TV shows,

1700
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 2: you do, award shows, you write, books, you paint, Which

1701
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 2: one are you? And I'm like, Okay, that's a weird question.

1702
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 2: And I said, well, those are all things that I do,

1703
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 2: and I love what I do. I don't want to

1704
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 2: do anything else. I love what I do. But who

1705
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 2: I am is I'm a husband, and I'm a father,

1706
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 2: and I'm a brother, and I'm a son and I'm

1707
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 2: an uncle. And I said, so through the course of

1708
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 2: my life, hopefully that what I do change is many times,

1709
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 2: because that's interesting. Yeah, but what I do and who

1710
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 2: I am are not the same thing. And I think

1711
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 2: sometimes the people that change with that success is they

1712
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 2: lose that dear. They what they do becomes their identity

1713
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 2: and it's not going to last forever. Right.

1714
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 4: That's a scary place to fall into because it's yeah,

1715
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 4: if it goes because harder, it gets a lot harder.

1716
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and it's yeah, somebody's told me this a

1717
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 2: long time ago. They said, there's five stages to be

1718
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: in in the entertainment business, which you and I are

1719
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 2: both in. It's who's Jeff Foxworthy? Get me Jeff Foxworthy,

1720
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 2: Get me somebody like Jeff Foxworthy. Whatever happened to Jeff Foxworthy,

1721
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 2: who's Jeff Foxworthy.

1722
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 4: But if you think about it, that's that's that's it,

1723
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 4: that's it.

1724
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 2: You get at least two or three of those. What

1725
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 2: doesn't last long? You know, Katy Rogers said to me,

1726
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 2: he said, if your career is good, it's like a

1727
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 2: lava lamp. He goes. You heat up for a little bit,

1728
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: and then you go away and cool down. Then you

1729
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 2: come back up and heat up again. Yeah, because if

1730
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 2: you stay in that bright light too long, it'll kill you. Yeah,

1731
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 2: that's that's true. Now do you find creatively Like when

1732
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: I look back at the busiest parts of my career,

1733
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 2: I didn't really enjoy them because that was yeah, and

1734
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: you're probably in that right now. You don't have time

1735
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 2: to smell the roses.

1736
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: Right now, I think I've been able to get to

1737
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: a point where I finally can a little bit good

1738
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: like not, I think it gets better than what it

1739
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: is now. But I had to consciously look in the

1740
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: mirror and say, a couple of years ago, holy shit, man,

1741
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: how did we get here?

1742
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1743
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 4: Like seriously, And I didn't even know.

1744
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 2: Pain has become a company? Right when? How? How? What? Also?

1745
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,440
Speaker 2: Where all my old friends now? Do you find creatively

1746
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 2: sometimes yeah, where are my old friends? Yeah? And creatively

1747
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 2: sometimes your tank just runs out.

1748
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, that spark doesn't stay the same forever.

1749
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 4: But nothing does. It's like, even if you had a restaurant.

1750
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 1: Every single meal isn't going to be the exact five

1751
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: point zero stars. There might be a four point seven,

1752
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: four point six, you know, or maybe just a.

1753
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:05,839
Speaker 2: Four is your is your floor?

1754
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, I learned that the AFC drive through, right,

1755
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 4: and that's a big hit or miss. But when it hits,

1756
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 4: when it hits, it hits, that's what keeps you coming

1757
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 4: back though, right exactly, So they're good for it eventually.

1758
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. It's like it's like a butterfinger. You know,

1759
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 2: you might get two or three steale ones at the

1760
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 2: gas station, right, but when you get that fresh butter finger,

1761
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh, or.

1762
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 4: A mentos really because those they I think they just

1763
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 4: really don't pull those ever.

1764
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 2: I think now the stale ones.

1765
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll break your chip, your tooth.

1766
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 2: But when you get a good path freshy oh yeah.

1767
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 2: Out the fact that England in your nether region.

1768
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it reminds you why you do this.

1769
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do realize we're We're just two really weird

1770
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 2: guys having a conversation right now. Yeah, I think so

1771
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 2: this works.

1772
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 4: Oh me too, Oh yeah, I kind of always wanted

1773
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 4: to do that, though I think I didn't have.

1774
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 2: The chops four years ago.

1775
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: But I do so much serious stuff that there's not

1776
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: a lot of room for some of the other, you know,

1777
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: darker humor elements to things, and just the actual human

1778
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 1: experience of this stuff, because it may look like I'm

1779
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: making it about myself or I'm not treating it with

1780
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 1: the right amount of sensitivity. All things that are kind

1781
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 1: of you know, creatively limitations, and also things that I

1782
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 1: am obligated.

1783
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 2: To do to a degree, to do this respectfully.

1784
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: And so I think that just it's liberating for me

1785
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: to build to have real life conversations with other creators

1786
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: and peers and people I look up to, like yourself,

1787
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: because it just humanizes everything and take some of them

1788
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: mystique away from even who I am and what I'm doing,

1789
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: because it's just not as crazy as you think it is.

1790
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 2: It's just real simple shit. The thought if I could

1791
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 2: do this, pretty much anybody could do this, oh absolutely,

1792
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 2: And that's what I think about what I do I'm like, yeah,

1793
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 2: if you're willing to spend a lot of time driving

1794
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 2: in your car and you know, be away from home

1795
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:24,719
Speaker 2: and sleeping hotel, you can do this. Because I'm nothing special.

1796
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. I'm two decisions from drywall in US.

1797
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 2: Not that there's anything drywalled a lot, but you see

1798
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 2: behind the curtain and it's like, hey, we got lucky. Yeah.

1799
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 2: B it's really cool because you're getting to do something creative. Yeah,

1800
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 2: but it ain't special. Back to JFK.

1801
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 4: Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald is the shooter and

1802
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:57,799
Speaker 4: the soul shooter?

1803
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 2: No? And no, Okay, do you I think so? I

1804
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 2: think he is really I Oh my god, now We've

1805
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 2: got a whole other episode. Now.

1806
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think that mostly conspiracy theories are fun.

1807
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: They are because it's like what if right, and it's crazy.

1808
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: But I think it's a little bit human nature when

1809
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: something really bad happens to want to have some bigger,

1810
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: grander explanation for why it happened.

1811
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 4: It can't just be as simple as this guy.

1812
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: Had an amazing shot from far away and it killed

1813
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: the president and it's just.

1814
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 2: Him can't be right.

1815
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 1: But what if it was like you brought up sometimes

1816
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: where you know Ronald Reagan there was an assassination attempts

1817
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,839
Speaker 1: against him, Zero conspiracy theories.

1818
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 4: Why because he survived it. But if you'll talk about

1819
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 4: some grassy null stuff, there's some audities there are there are.

1820
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I think if there is a conspiracy theory,

1821
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 1: which I don't know definitively anything, I think there's probably.

1822
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 6: Like somebody somebody goes all right, Payne, I'm going to

1823
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 6: tell you the truth, but you got to you got

1824
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 6: to keep this just between you and me. Don't be

1825
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,839
Speaker 6: going on you dang podcast and telling people everything.

1826
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 2: You can trust me? Yeah, yeah, the Grassy Knoll, the

1827
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 2: head movement, like the guy back there who was I mean,

1828
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 2: I'm a hunter. His head goes back. So let's say

1829
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 2: that that's true.

1830
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 1: What does it mean because the biggest thing with conspiracies

1831
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 1: is like what changes everything? Well, what does it mean

1832
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: that we did like we did this to him our

1833
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 1: own government?

1834
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 2: Not necessarily? Okay? Just so that is too, means that

1835
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 2: we weren't told the truth? Okay. And then it's like okay,

1836
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 2: well why would you hide that?

1837
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: Because why would you hide it if there was not

1838
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 1: just two people.

1839
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 2: Okay, all right. Why would they hide UFO stuff?

1840
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 4: I think because the implications are huge.

1841
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 2: We're all going to run out right, which I.

1842
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 4: Hate that take too, which I think there's place some

1843
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 4: people who you can't handle the truth. Yeah, it's a

1844
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 4: little bit of that, I feel like. But also I

1845
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 4: think the gen.

1846
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 2: Z doesn't give a shit about any of that.

1847
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 4: They're like, cool, we already thought that was true anyway. Yeah,

1848
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 4: So I think if there's.

1849
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: Ever been a good time to tell us the truth

1850
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,679
Speaker 1: on UFOs and aliens, it's right now.

1851
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think if.

1852
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 1: There's a cover up, it has to do with secrets

1853
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 1: they didn't want to get out about other things the

1854
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: government was doing that looked bad that were wrapped up

1855
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 1: into JFK and maybe his assassination. But not that they're

1856
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: covering for some other shooter per se. Okay, but if

1857
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: you think otherwise, I mean, I could be convince.

1858
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 2: We may have to do a whole episode. And now

1859
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 2: I got to go back and brush up you not,

1860
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 2: this is the whole thing, right, it is a whole thing. Well,

1861
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 2: the bullet, I've spent a lifetime hunting, never seen a bullet.

1862
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 2: Bullets don't look like that when they hit something, especially

1863
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 2: when they go through multiple body parts. The magic bullet,

1864
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 2: it's there's there's no untouched right, It's like you carefully

1865
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 2: took white gloves and pulled it out of the cartridge

1866
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 2: casing there's not a den on it. Bullets look like

1867
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 2: deform mushrooms when they hit things, especially.

1868
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 4: Going through wrist, but I think explodes.

1869
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't look like that. So why is

1870
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 2: that sitting on a stretcher in pristine shape. I don't know.

1871
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 2: It's to tie the deed to the gun in the window,

1872
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 2: and there's no doubt about it because I've got the

1873
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 2: rifling on the bullet and it matches the gun in

1874
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 2: the window, which was where Lee was. That somebody really

1875
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 2: wants you to tie that bullet to that gun.

1876
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 4: It is inconvenient too that Oswald was killed in police

1877
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 4: headquarters by a guy that walked right.

1878
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:27,719
Speaker 2: Up to it. Yeah. Yeah. Oswald also wasn't taking credit

1879
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 2: for it, as most people would be proud of what

1880
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 2: they had pulled off. That's a good point. He's saying

1881
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 2: from the beginning, I'm a patsy. I'm a patsy.

1882
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: We should pull the audience here and see if they

1883
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: want around two with us at some point where we

1884
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:45,719
Speaker 1: dig in deep.

1885
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 4: I have to go back and study because I'll have

1886
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 4: a counter argument.

1887
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: But also like, I think that there are things like

1888
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: that that I like to go deeper into that I

1889
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have an answer for.

1890
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you this, Like when I went

1891
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 2: and listened to the MLK tapes, it's one of my

1892
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 2: favorite podcasts ever. Awesome because I learned so much. Yeah, see,

1893
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,600
Speaker 2: you need to make that and you can cut this

1894
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 2: out if it's not a good business plan. If that

1895
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 2: was a docuseries, it would be a national hit. Oh yeah,

1896
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 2: because you have you have generations that do not know

1897
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 2: this story. You're right, And I who lived. I remember

1898
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 2: my mom telling me at breakfast that Martin Luther King

1899
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 2: was killed. I remember the day. Wow. So and I

1900
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 2: didn't know all the stuff in this story. So I'm like,

1901
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 2: why has Kennedy talked about so much but not this?

1902
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 2: And I think MLKA is a more fascinating if you

1903
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 2: want to talk about a cover up. And now do

1904
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 2: you do you all right? Do you think James RL

1905
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 2: Ray was the lone gunman in MLKA.

1906
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: I again, there's no smoking gun that points me to

1907
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 1: the fact that he isn't.

1908
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 2: Oh really, I mean, you changed my mind.

1909
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 4: I think that it's one of those things.

1910
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 2: Where pain is we changed your pain.

1911
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 4: Presenting the oddities and the facts as.

1912
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 2: They are, and that that didn't.

1913
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 4: I think I went down that and then I eventually

1914
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 4: found myself kind of going back a little bit and saying, hey,

1915
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Speaker 4: is this one of those things again where it just

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Speaker 4: feels better for it to be bigger than it is.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong on that too, Maybe I'm going

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Speaker 1: too far back the other direction, but you know, if

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Speaker 1: it was so easy to figure out, then we would

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Speaker 1: just we wouldn't be talking about it at all, right,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't even be a debate. So you gotta remember too,

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Speaker 1: like the other side where it's like, okay, well it's not.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't convincing the other way either, necessarily it was so.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that all the research he did

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Speaker 1: too was compelling to me open my eyes on how

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Speaker 1: I looked at the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But it did me as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the kind of but I didn't I can

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Speaker 1: see how and why and all that stuff, but I

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Speaker 1: had never felt fully convinced that it was definitively, you know,

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Speaker 1: more than that than what we do.

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Speaker 2: And then that kind of said, so, so now we

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Speaker 2: have JFK and now we have MLK, and basically what

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Speaker 2: you're saying is we're never going to know the truth.

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Speaker 2: And I hate that. But so it goes back. It

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Speaker 2: had been to my premise of why we why we

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Speaker 2: are attracted to these things, because we are so stinking

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Speaker 2: hungry to know the truth about something. We don't trust

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Speaker 2: our government, we don't trust our media. We don't And

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Speaker 2: it's like, just tell me the truth. I can deal

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Speaker 2: with it, right, Just tell me that. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to be was Hoover that corrupted? I can do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just confirm it. Yeah, Yeah, I think we I think

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Speaker 2: we were starving for the truth. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always tell my my my mom and dad, just

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Speaker 1: to you know, from being kind of in media, which

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Speaker 1: I mean not necessarily the news media, but you know,

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Speaker 1: investigative reporting is kind of close to that just kind

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Speaker 1: of changed my perspective on how to look at the

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Speaker 1: news and whether to trust it blindly like that at

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Speaker 1: all obviously, And so I always tell my parents like, hey,

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Speaker 1: like take that with a grain of salt, you know, Well,

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Speaker 1: they went to Bernie Man, which is wild for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever.

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Speaker 4: Mom and dad, My mom and dad. It's it's weird

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Speaker 4: even saying this right now. We went to the Burning Man

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, Okay, what world.

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Speaker 2: Am I living in?

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Speaker 1: But this year it got super rainy and super muddy,

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Speaker 1: and my mom calls and leaves me a voicemail and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: just want to let you know we're here safe, or

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Speaker 1: we made it on the news, saying though.

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Speaker 2: It was like a goat rope, right, I mean, she

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Speaker 2: was like.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't as bad as I'm making it look. And

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Speaker 4: I was like, I but that's what we're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about, Yeah, because they're really making it look like

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Speaker 1: that on TikTok even.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and my parents were having more fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was for extra days, like a one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand people trapped in the desert.

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Speaker 4: At a party. Yeah, Yeah, they wanted to be.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have to do a bit about your

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Speaker 2: parents going.

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Speaker 4: To birk Please do, please do, because it's it is

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Speaker 4: a bit.

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Speaker 2: It writes itself. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, I would never want to go there with them.

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Speaker 1: I would go, but I don't want to see my mom.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see when I see.

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Speaker 2: Whatever else I see there, No, you don't.

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Speaker 4: I also don't want to see any of that. As

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Speaker 4: a matter of fact. Yeah, hurts your head a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, but at the end of the day,

1986
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Speaker 2: it's like it for a comic. What you're trying to

1987
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 2: do is in one of the I've been so blessed

1988
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Speaker 2: that I've gotten to see the country because as a

1989
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 2: little kid, I never went anywhere on vacation. We went

1990
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Speaker 2: to South Carolina and stayed in my grandmother's trailer on

1991
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 2: that farm for two weeks. That was our I've never

1992
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Speaker 2: been anywhere through comedy, had been to all fifty states

1993
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 2: and just about all over the world. But what you

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Speaker 2: realize is the scenery changes and the accents changed, but

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01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 2: people are the same. They are. You know, we're even

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Speaker 2: so politically divided in this country. But I think you

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Speaker 2: could take somebody at either end of the political spectrum

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Speaker 2: and sit them down one on one and say what

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Speaker 2: do you want out of life? And it's hey, I

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Speaker 2: want to be able to afford a home. I want

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Speaker 2: to be able to go to the doctor, want to

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Speaker 2: be able to take care of my children, want to

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Speaker 2: be able to buy I bet eighty five percent of

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Speaker 2: what we want. It's the same. Yeah, at both ends

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Speaker 2: of the political spectrum. Now, we don't choose to celebrate

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Speaker 2: the eighty five percent that we share the same. We

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Speaker 2: want to yell at each other about the fifteen percent

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Speaker 2: where we're different. But for a comic, that's all I've got.

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Speaker 2: If I go on stage in Oregon, my accents different.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in a different looking place. But I'm

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Speaker 2: looking for what are you and I have in common?

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Speaker 2: And what those things are is our thoughts, what we say,

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Speaker 2: our family. I'm looking for that connection. I think that's

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Speaker 2: what podcasts are. It's that connection where it is human beings.

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Speaker 2: We're hungry for that. Yeah, we want to be part

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Speaker 2: of a tribe. We want to be told the truth.

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Speaker 4: So I think you do a service to people and

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Speaker 4: what you do, what do you mean.

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Speaker 2: You're digging for the truth, right, don't always get there,

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Speaker 2: but you're digging for it, which is all people want.

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Speaker 1: There was a live show for Up in Advantage that

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Speaker 1: we did in Atlanta years ago. I think this is

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Speaker 1: probably twenty seventeen. It was my first live show and

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Speaker 1: I learned after the show that, oh my god, you

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Speaker 1: missed it. Jeff Foxworthy was here sitting near my grandma,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, what, so you stole the show.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't you. But I'm sitting in the back

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Speaker 2: just listening and enjoying. I like learning. Well, this has

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Speaker 2: been a blast, man. I appreciate you. I don't even

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what we talked about. I just enjoyed

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Speaker 2: the talk.

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Speaker 4: It's same, yeah, same. I think we did something either way,

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Speaker 4: it's going on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Like my wedding night. I'm not sure what it did,

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Speaker 2: but we did something.

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Speaker 4: We got married, though, I don't know if it was

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01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 4: right or wrong, but we did something. I felt good though.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you coming out here too.

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Speaker 2: Well. No, I just admire what you do, and I

2040
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 2: admire the way you got into it is you know

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01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 2: it to me, people that are creative, most of them

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Speaker 2: are creative in more than one area of their life.

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Speaker 2: But we're kind of weirdos a little bit, and so

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Speaker 2: I kind of think creatives kind of understand each other

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01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 2: a little bit, kind of like comics. It's funny, like

2046
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 2: when you start out, we're all mean to each other

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01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 2: because everybody's trying to get into ya. But once you've

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01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:12,559
Speaker 2: done it a while, we're all nice to each other

2049
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 2: because it's like, you know right exactly, you know the

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01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:17,599
Speaker 2: price that goes with this.

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01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:20,599
Speaker 1: Now we feel like we can confide in each other

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01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, co miserate on a couple of those

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Speaker 1: things that no one else.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see A I love the state, so

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Speaker 2: I like to see somebody from my home state be successful.

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01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:35,120
Speaker 2: And it's an unusual career path to just hold your

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01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 2: nose and jump, which is what you did, and try

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01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 2: something totally new and it worked. And now you look

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01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 2: back and go, oh my gosh, like you said, what

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Speaker 2: if I hadn't done this. Yeah, that's the scariest thought

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Speaker 2: to me, What if I hadn't done that. It's not

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Speaker 2: what I would change, is what if I didn't do that? Yeah? Yeahnap.

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Speaker 2: So for everybody listening, yeah, you need that moment in

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Speaker 2: your life, hold your nose and jump.

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Speaker 4: But if you really suck at singing, if you suck.

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01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 2: At it, don't do it. But if it's your gift,

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01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 2: if you're good at it, yeah, go for it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the worst thing that can happen is you fail. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I always told my kids, I said, I want

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01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 2: you to fail a lot, because if you're failing. That

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Speaker 2: means you're testing the boundaries of what you're capable of. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: so you're right. Give me. If this didn't work, I

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01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:28,440
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well I was on to the next thing.

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Speaker 2: Go go do the next thing. Yep, yep, awesome. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Man, Thanks Man Blast. Yeah, that's awesome. Cowboy

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Speaker 2: Cookies next time.

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Speaker 3: iHeart podcast created and hosted by Pain Lindsay. For Tenorfoot TV,

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