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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast, presented

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Speaker 1: Tennesseeans since nineteen forty seven. I'm Amy Wells so excited

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Speaker 1: to have you here on the show. Coach Mac, of

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Speaker 1: course is here with us. Mac. The Titans are seven

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Speaker 1: and two, still number one in the division, still number

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Speaker 1: one in the AFC. Not a bad place to be sitting.

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Speaker 1: That's where you need to be sitting. And that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what was the plan when we started this thing out thing.

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Speaker 1: It's impressive to me about it. They've done this with

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Speaker 1: a multitude of injuries at different positions, key positions, and

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Speaker 1: numerous injuries at two positions, in particular the offensive line

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Speaker 1: in the secondary. They continue to persevere through that and

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Speaker 1: beat really good teams. And the last month they've beat

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Speaker 1: some really good football teams at not full strength, but

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Speaker 1: they were at full strength mentally because they went into

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Speaker 1: it very prepared. The Tennessee Titans continue to get these

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Speaker 1: wins in games where no one expects them to do

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Speaker 1: you attribute that success to the depth that they have

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Speaker 1: on this roster or just mental toughness and resolve, mental

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Speaker 1: and physical toughness. And again, I don't know who, who's

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Speaker 1: they that don't expect it anybody who cares about anybody.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing that matters is the people

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Speaker 1: that are on those buses and that suit up during

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Speaker 1: There's never been one week you and I get to

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Speaker 1: watch practice every day that the team is not practicing

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Speaker 1: to win the ball game. All the exterior noise, it's

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Speaker 1: elevator music. Don't listen to it, don't pay attention to it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't make the elevator go up and down. Just go

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Speaker 1: do your job. This group is mentally and physically tough.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes people say that and they're really not. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of fake tough guys will try to talk

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Speaker 1: tough and they're not. This group is legitimate tough. We've

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Speaker 1: seen it all year. Now. You asked who everybody is,

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Speaker 1: and I know you're not supposed to name names, but

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Speaker 1: it's my show and I think naming names is very important.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to good And there was a hot

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Speaker 1: take that was floating about earlier this week. It comes

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Speaker 1: from Marcellus Wiley, who is on Speak for Yourself on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports One. He had a little, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a rant after the Tennessee Titans got the win

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Speaker 1: against the Los Angeles Rams, and he was saying, here's

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Speaker 1: a quote, They're not the best team in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: They are just a team that got hot at the

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Speaker 1: right time. He's citing some of the penalties the Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Titans have had, Ryan Tannehill's overall quarterback rating, his interception percentage,

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Speaker 1: saying that this defense is opportunistic, but they're not good Mac.

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Speaker 1: None of that stuff matters, right, Marcellus Wiley was a

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Speaker 1: really good He's a terrible analyst. This is why we

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Speaker 1: say about that. I mean, really, seriously, close your eyes,

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Speaker 1: tell me what you see. That's how much it matters

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Speaker 1: what Marcellus Whiley thinks about the Titans in the story. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's my thing. Whether we're a good team or a

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Speaker 1: Who cares, right, who cares what anybody else says? That's

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Speaker 1: my whole key to you is first of all, every

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Speaker 1: you just need to lower the rabbit ears and don't

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Speaker 1: listen to what all of this. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: just nothing but noise. It's my job to listen a

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Speaker 1: little bit to I like the fact that you listen.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that all the listeners the Titans Amy

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Speaker 1: Coachmack podcast, they listen to it. But take this from

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Speaker 1: Coach Mike right now, here's what you believe what you

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Speaker 1: hear from analyst, you know, when you when you've got

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Speaker 1: guys on Monday night football, which is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: people say they don't know. Yeah, I guess that's a

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Speaker 1: latching onto Kevin Byard's mantra this season, which is prove

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Speaker 1: Under Amy Adam Strunk. Just do your job, do your job,

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Speaker 1: some history with their head coach, Sean Peyton, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people might not know this, but you two

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Speaker 1: all the way back to Spare Bears eighty seven. During

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Speaker 1: then Sean went on to coach at Indiana State, where

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Speaker 1: would you be able to use your familiarity with Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton to help you game plan for this upcoming. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's been in the league long enough. Now he's got

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Speaker 1: a different approach and he's using that approach. He's using

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Speaker 1: always have to fact check just in case. Though. You've

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Speaker 1: got well, no, it's it's not I'm not steering you wrong.

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Speaker 1: I said, well sure. So he comes in. He's got

428
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: his flip flops on, he's got his you know, his

429
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 1: hair's got cut off, you know, half shirt shorts, and

430
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: he comes and sits down and looks, pulls his chair

431
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: right up. You know, look it looks right at me

432
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: and says, hey, I know why you drafted me, local kid.

433
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: You guys need people in the in the in the stands.

434
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 1: Jake and I were really good, you know at Arizona State.

435
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand that you figure I'll come

436
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: in here and be a great special teams player for

437
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: you and get some fans in the stands. And you know,

438
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: he said, let me tell you something. You spend some

439
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,239
Speaker 1: time with me, I'll be your damn starting safety. And

440
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: I went, okay, I will. And we spent a lot

441
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: of time with him. And guess what he was. That's

442
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: an amazing story because I was going to ask you

443
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: what did you see in him early on that made

444
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: him special? Clearly, those things and the vision that he

445
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: had was a lot to set up the story of

446
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: you knowing him from that point on. Yeah. Well, and

447
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: it was it was always very interesting with Pat because

448
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Pat was was a very very

449
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: as I said, in extremely intelligent. You know. We had

450
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: we had those those those plastic trash cans, that that

451
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: defense defensive which you set up in pre practice where

452
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: you go through your walk through and you use him

453
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: for space and for the offensive lineman. And he'd always

454
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: be the first one out there sitting on the cans,

455
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: and so I'd go out there and sit with him

456
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: and we would talk. We would never talk about football.

457
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: He was always reading some real introspective book. He was

458
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: always you know, and he was asking me, you know

459
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: what I thought about the geopolitical twist in Europe right now,

460
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: as far as to how this was going, and you

461
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: know what I really thought about, you know, climate chains

462
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: and what I you know, I mean, this guy was

463
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: just so intelligent and then all of a sudden, you

464
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: just flipped the switch and all right, here we go,

465
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, let's start going to play. I used to

466
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: have to calm him down a lot during practice because

467
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: when he first started practicing, he was going full speed

468
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: and just taking guys out, and his teammates would get

469
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: mad at him because he's lightening them up. And I said, Pat,

470
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: we can't do that. This is a national football. He said,

471
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: well why not? He said, that's the way I played.

472
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: We worked around that. We finally got to that. He

473
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: was very respectful of authority, very respectful you know sometimes

474
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: that I benched him, you know, his first year, I

475
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: benched him about halfway through because he had just kind

476
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: of hit a wall as far as the things he

477
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: could do. There was another safety behind him, and I

478
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: called him in and told him. I said that. Pat looked,

479
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna keep you on Nickel, but I'm not

480
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: gonna start you in base. You know, I'm not gonna

481
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: start to the free safety in base. I just want

482
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: you to hear from me face to face. He's I said, now,

483
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts on it? He looked at

484
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: me and went, it sucks, he said, but I trust you.

485
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: Just tell me what I have to do to earn

486
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: my job back. And he got it back. You know.

487
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: But so this is the kind of guy he was,

488
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: and and and he was so loyal to his teammates.

489
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: He would do anything for anybody, the kindest heart I mean,

490
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: and of course, I mean he was a heart throb,

491
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: you know, to all the young to all the young girls.

492
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he was just he was all of that

493
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: I had. I would have friends come in and you know,

494
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: they would stay at my house and you know, they

495
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: wouldn't even they couldn't even didn't care if they went

496
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: to the game because Pat lived pretty close to me.

497
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: Or they're in the neighborhood in Albatuki, which is a

498
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 1: suburb of Phoenix, and they said, can we meet Pat Tillman?

499
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: Can we meet Pat Tillman? And so, you know, I say, hey, Patchy,

500
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: I got some people at the house. You don't have

501
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: to coach. I'll be there all the time. I mean,

502
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: he he always had time for everybody. And then he

503
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: was just such a ferocious competitor, just ferocious competitor. It was.

504
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: It was special to wash. He set the all time

505
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: tackle record for THEIRS on a Cardinal franchise. I mean,

506
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: think about it, you know, and this guy was this

507
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: guy was on his way to big things. Talk about

508
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: his character. You know. After his third year when he's

509
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: a restricted free agent, Mike March was the head coach

510
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: of the Rams and he had been at Arizona State.

511
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: He loved Pat Tillman. So they brought him in for

512
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: a free agent visit, you know, and we were paying

513
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: him five hundred thousand dollars a year, that's what his

514
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: salary was as a restricted free agent, and they offered him,

515
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, they offered him a you know, five year

516
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: deal for over nine million dollars. At the Rams, they

517
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: were in Saint Louis at the time. And so he

518
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: came back from the visit, and uh, you know, I

519
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: didn't hear anything. I knew what they had offered him,

520
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: because you know, agents talk and so, and I knew

521
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: we weren't going to match that. And so he came

522
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: back and all of us he came back to town.

523
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know he's back in town. I went downstairs

524
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: to work out. Well. He was down there on the treadmill,

525
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: and I said, walked over to him and I turned

526
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: the tread me alof while he was running, and I said, hey, Telly,

527
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: how did that visit go? It's cool, Coach, very cool,

528
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: he says, very cool. I said, look, I know what

529
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: they offered you. I get it. I said, you've done

530
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: everything to earn that. Believe me, with my blessings. And

531
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: he stopped me and said, Coach, I'm not going anywhere.

532
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: He said, you were the only one that would give

533
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: me a chance. And it said for me to leave

534
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: now just for money, that's bs. I'm staying here. That's

535
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: what he did. So, Coach, you mentioned it a little

536
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: bit earlier, but when he has the conversation with you

537
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: after the nine to eleven attacks, that this isn't what

538
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: he's going to do anymore. Football is on the back

539
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: burner now and he is going to be enlisting in

540
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: the service. Tell me a little bit more about that conversation.

541
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: You said you weren't surprised, but it sounds like he

542
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: was so dedicated to his craft of football, it didn't

543
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: surprise you at all that he was making a little

544
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: bit of a pivot and doing something completely different and

545
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: something frankly a little bit scary. No. First of all,

546
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, after his fourth year then he was a

547
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: complete unrestricted free agent, and so he did not come

548
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: to a mini camp that year. He and his wife,

549
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: Marie were getting married. He stayed away from training camp,

550
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: would not We offered him a contract, a nice contract,

551
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: but he never signed it. And then then he says, look,

552
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get married. Marie and I are getting married.

553
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, we're gonna go on our honeymoon,

554
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: and then I'll let you know what I'm gonna do.

555
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: And so you know, I figured, you know, I said, fine,

556
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. Well, in the meantime, you know, and

557
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: during and during nine to eleven, you know, it was

558
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: it was a very traumatic experience clearly for the country

559
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: and for all of us. But I can still remember

560
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: Pat sitting down in the office of the public relations

561
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: department that that was on the third floor the Arizona

562
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Cardinal Facility and just staring at the television, just staring

563
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: at it, just watching everything unfold. They're in New York City,

564
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: and then the Arizona Republic after the next day, the

565
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: whole back page was an American flag. Well, Pat cut

566
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: that out and put it on the on the window

567
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: which was big, big windows of the meeting rooms of

568
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: the defensive uh meeting room, and just stuck it on

569
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: the window. And so, you know, we we go, we

570
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: go through the year. We were scheduled to play to

571
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: play in Washington, and so that clearly, you know, being

572
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: a head coach during that time a trauma for everybody.

573
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 1: And then that was his free agent year. He had

574
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: a nice year. We were we had a nice contract

575
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: offer out to him. Frank Bauer was his agent. I

576
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: talked to Frank and Frank said, hey, Coach Macula, he

577
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: just wants some time right now. And I said, sure,

578
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, any amount of time he wants. And then

579
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: I get a call one day and he's after we

580
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: got through with many camp and he's the coach. MCA

581
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: need to come talk to him, and I said sure.

582
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: So he came over and he you know, he walked

583
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: in and closed the door and then didn't sit across that,

584
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: you know, head coach. You got a big desk. He

585
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: didn't sit across from me. He pulled his chair right

586
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: around next to me, said I need to talk to you,

587
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: and so he you know, he basically told me that

588
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: he and his brother Kevin, who was in the Cleveland

589
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: Indians Organization, had had gone and enlisted in the in

590
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: the you know, in the army, and their plan was

591
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: they were you know, going to go in uh you know,

592
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: for a sign up three years. But his plan was

593
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: he was going in. He could have gone into OCS

594
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: because he was a graduate, but he didn't. He wanted

595
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: to go in as a ground level grant private and

596
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: then there they wanted to go to Ranger School, which

597
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: is incredibly, incredibly challenging and not many people make it

598
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: through that. And then his brother wanted to do that

599
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: and he said, this is what I want to do

600
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: and if I can, if I can do it, and

601
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, I really I really never and I don't

602
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: I don't ever disclose what he said because here's what,

603
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: here's the thing about it. Who is when we had

604
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: a lot of very intimate conversations about it, and there

605
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: were a lot there were a lot of reasons, and

606
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: all of them were for the right reasons. I never

607
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: tried to talk him out of it at all. The

608
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: only question I ever had, I said, Pat, look, this

609
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: is going to be big national news. Have you ever

610
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: thought about how you are going to handle this? I said,

611
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: because this is going to be more than just a

612
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, Pat Tilma was not playing this

613
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: year because he's he's he's joined the army. And he said, no,

614
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: he said, I'm not going to do any of that.

615
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying another word about this. He said, you

616
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: can handle this, coach, Mac, You're good at that stuff.

617
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: He went to Ranger school and his brother both made

618
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: the Rangers, and then they were one of the first deployed,

619
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, over over to Bagdad, you know, when when

620
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: they first they first went. And so uh, I never

621
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: tried to, you know, to say why or what do

622
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: you think and what are you doing? Because I had

623
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: way too much respect for him for that, and I

624
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: also knew that he was really really serious about this commitment.

625
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: So coach Pat Tillman comes home from his first tour

626
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: serving in Iraq, he's an Army ranger, and another tour

627
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: opportunity comes up, and this time it's Afghanistan. And I

628
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: kind of read and heard where he was kind of

629
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: conflicted about that. He knew he was going to do

630
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: the mission and do his tour, but he was kind

631
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: of conflicted about it. But obviously he's killed in the

632
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: line of duty. It's a shock to everyone, not just

633
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: in Arizona, not just to you, but the United States

634
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: of America. This is a face to this war against

635
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: terror risum. And I know at this particular point you

636
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: are an assistant head coach with the Tennessee Titans, and

637
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: you were in the war room getting ready for the

638
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and four draft right here at St. Thomas

639
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: Sports Park in Nashville when you got the news. And

640
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: I guess if you could just peel back the curtain

641
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: to tell what that was like, the shock of the

642
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: news and just kind of what that was like for you.

643
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: As here it is the day before the NFL Draft

644
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: and you're busy, Well, I mean, let's go back a

645
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: little bit before that, I mean the second tour of duty.

646
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: I mean he had a chance to come out. There

647
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: were two teams that wanted him. He could have left

648
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: because of his tours of duty early, and he said, no,

649
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: I made a commitment, you know, for three years. I'm

650
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: going to fulfill that commitment. And so he had already

651
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: turned down the National Football League once and so he

652
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: was back from his first deployment. We were going to

653
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: play when I was a head coach at Arizona, we

654
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: were going to play Seattle. He was at Fort Lewis,

655
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: he and his brother and of course his wife Marie

656
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: was up there living with him at Fort Lewis. And

657
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I get a call and he said, coach Mac, you

658
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: know back And he said, uh, I'd like to buy

659
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: some tickets to the game. And I said, what are

660
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: you talking about, Patty? I said, are you serious? I said,

661
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: You're not buying any So immediately I said, look, just

662
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: I'll call you right back. Where are you? I said,

663
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: stay there, don't move, And so I go into to

664
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: Bill Bidwell, you know, God rest his soul too. Now

665
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: who's the owner? I said, look, pat Tilman just called me.

666
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: He's in Fort Lewis who wants to come to the game,

667
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: and uh, he wanted to buy tickets. I said, he's not.

668
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: He said, no, he's sitting in the suite with us.

669
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: We'll get his hotel room. You tell him. Whatever Pat

670
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: Tillman needs, we will do. So I get on the phone.

671
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I said, Patty, look, here's what's going to happen. He said, no,

672
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't want all of that. He said, I just

673
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, I want to come see the Fellows. I

674
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: want to come see you. I want to come see

675
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: coach Marmee. You know, I don't want to. This is

676
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: not I don't want this to be about me. I

677
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: just want to, you know, just want to come see

678
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: you guy. I said, well, it's going to be about

679
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: you for a minute. After the night meeting, I had

680
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: a big suite up at the top of the hotel

681
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: where we were staying there in Seattle, and so you know,

682
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: he had he had he had, you know, he had

683
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Marie with him, and he had some some lifelong friends

684
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: with him from care or Garden. You know that they

685
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: all came and they all came up to the room

686
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: and we stayed up there a little past midnight. I

687
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: brought we brought food in and just to watch those

688
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: young people talking about you know, and there are certain

689
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: things he wouldn't talk about because, you know, it just

690
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: that wasn't him. But it was such a great time.

691
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: And after we got through with that, we had a

692
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: big plate of cookies and he said, Coach, can I

693
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: have a couple of more of those cookies? I seen

694
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: how all you want? I said, get get whatever you want.

695
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: He said, well, you know my wife wants a couple

696
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: of those. I said, take what you want. Pat. He said,

697
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: what time you get up in the morning, Coach, I

698
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: said early. He said, well, there's a Starbucks across the street.

699
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Why don't you meet me there, you know? And I said,

700
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: all right, we will, so myself and Larry Marmy go

701
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: to meet him at the Starbucks in the morning, and

702
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: then we really got down to some serious talks about

703
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I said, Pat, what do you what do you want

704
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: to do after you get out? He said, you know,

705
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back and play. So I want to

706
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: come back and place. And so when he said, you know,

707
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: I've been offered some other places to go, I'm not

708
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: gonna do that, He said, you know, I'm gonna I'm

709
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna finish this tour and then, uh, you know,

710
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: when I come back, I want to come back and

711
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: play for you. And I said, well, I don't know

712
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: how things are gonna go here. I said, but wherever

713
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: I am, believe me, you've got a place. He said,

714
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to hold you to that. And so I said, fine.

715
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: So anyway, after the game, you know, the game's over.

716
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: The Paul Jensen, who's our PR director, had closed the

717
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: locker room to the media so that Pat could come

718
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: down and say goodbye to his teammates before they let

719
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: anybody else in. And Pat's brother, Kevin is a great

720
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: human being too, and I said, keV, come on in.

721
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: He said, no, this is Pat's time, you know, with

722
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: his teammates. And so keV stayed outside and Pat came in,

723
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, and talk to everybody and hugged him in.

724
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: And so, you know, the last, you know, last thing

725
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: I ever said in person of Pat Tillman. He said, Coach,

726
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm want to hold you to that we talked about

727
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: last night. I said, Pat, believe me, it's there wherever

728
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: I am. If I'm here wherever I am, you've got

729
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: a place. I can tell you that, and he just

730
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: hugged me. So I love you, coach, love you Pat?

731
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Is it? So take me to the day that you

732
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: got well Jeff Fisher Hardens his assistant head coach, and

733
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, Pat's over there in Afghanistan now, and it's

734
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: the day before the draft and there's a knock at

735
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: the door and it's Robbie Bourn. He sticks his head in,

736
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, and just you know, because you don't go

737
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: in the war room. He sticks his head in, says

738
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: coach Fisher, I need to see you. And so he

739
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: calls Fish out and then fishes Mac, we need to

740
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: see you out here. And so I thought, you know,

741
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: I don't know whether what, I don't know what it's

742
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: going on as a player. Then and you know, he

743
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: tells me, he says, we've just gotten news that Pat

744
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: Tillman's been killed in Afghanistan. And so I mean, I

745
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: mean the whole place went silent for a while, it

746
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: really did. I mean, it just time stood still and

747
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: things start going through your mind and then all of

748
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, I mean, it was like it was like

749
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: a tsunami. I mean, Fox News, CNN, I mean, any everything,

750
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: anybody and everybody you know, was was wanting something, and

751
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: so you know, I got with Robbie Bourne and we

752
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean I can't I mean, I did all of them,

753
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: you know, all of them, you know, live television. There's

754
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: a studio down here, you know, in Metro Center that

755
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: I went to and did and anyway, all of that stuff.

756
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: But through the course of all of that, you know,

757
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just still trying to piece it together

758
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: and figure it out. And all the information that was

759
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: coming in. Someone was right, someone was wrong. You didn't know.

760
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, finally Marie and the family get

761
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: ahold of me and say, you know, we're gonna have

762
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: service in San Jose. Would like for you to be

763
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: one of the speakers, you know, would you would you consider,

764
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: would you consider do us that I'm there, you know,

765
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: whatever you need me to do. And I ended up

766
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: speaking at both services, one in San Jose and one

767
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: at Sun Devil Stadium that we had and I can

768
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: still remember, you know, I mean, they just there was

769
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of us. They had us in a in

770
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: a house there in San Jose, you know where we

771
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: had the memorial service and it was ESPN televised. It

772
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: was in a big park and you know, was in

773
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: there with Maria Shriver, and I mean it was a

774
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: big deal. It is a big deal, and just the

775
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: whole atmosphere of all of that, I mean, it really

776
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: was surreal, Rhett, you know, and you still couldn't quite

777
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: process it. And if you'll remember, any of watching it

778
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: on TV is very raw. It was very raw from

779
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: all of us that spoke, also from his brothers, and

780
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: it was very real. From then on, everybody was just

781
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: trying to cope with it. And then you know, the

782
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman Foundations thought came out of it then with

783
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: Pat's run, and but at the moment when it hit,

784
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know our listeners have been

785
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: involved in some catastrophic things in their life, or something

786
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: hits you, or you lose a loved one, and all

787
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it just like time stands still, and

788
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: it's just like you're in a cone of silence and

789
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: that and that's what it was like. Mac. When you

790
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: reflect on all of this, and you're very gracious to

791
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: be talking with us and telling us the story, what

792
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: is the biggest thing that you take away from your

793
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: time spent with Pat, Well, just how selfless he was,

794
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: he was completely selfless, and he was always about the

795
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: other person and he was not about himself. And he

796
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: was a He was a big star. He was a

797
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: big star in college. He was a big star in

798
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: the National Football League. He was a big star nationally.

799
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: And he wanted none of that. He wanted none of that.

800
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: He was a very very as I say, he was

801
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: a renaissance man. He really was, and he was very

802
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: introspective and as as ferocious and tough as he could

803
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: be on the field, he could be that kind and gentle,

804
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, when he needed to be, he was he was.

805
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: He was very thoughtful. I mean, he's what he's what

806
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: you would want. Here's what you here's what you'd want

807
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: your son to grow up to be. He's what you'd

808
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: you'd want your daughter to marry. I mean as a

809
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: as a coach, I mean, this guy was and and

810
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: believe me, we butted heads a lot because he was,

811
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, he was that dude. He would challenge you,

812
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: and he was so smart and we'd be sitting in

813
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: meetings and I'd be going over in know, a section

814
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: of the playbook and installation and training camp, and he'd

815
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: raise his hand. That's the way he got Pat said,

816
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: coach back here on page two twenty three, and we

817
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: might be on page fifty three it says I said,

818
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Just yeah. But that's how he worked.

819
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean that that's what he was and who he was,

820
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: and he was. You know, the term man's man has

821
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: thrown out a lot, but I think man's man encompasses

822
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: a lot of things, and having a good heart and

823
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: having empathy for people is a big part of that.

824
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: And that's that That's what Pat Tillman was. That's what

825
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: his legacy is. You know, it lives on with the

826
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman Foundation, which is man massively successful. I can

827
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: remember the first year with Pat's Run, you know that thought,

828
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe if we get two or three hundred

829
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: people to run and end up the race on the

830
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: forty two yard line at Sundevil, it'll be really cool. Well,

831
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: the first one had about two thousand, and that's grown

832
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: so big they have to shut it off because the

833
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: streets of timp can't hold it. So, I mean, he

834
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: will have a lasting impact for the rest of my life.

835
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, I think that his story

836
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: needs to be told because he never would tell his

837
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: own story. But he needs to be celebrated just for

838
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: what he was, what he meant and and and I

839
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: think all of our service people, you know, I've spoken

840
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: to a lot of branches of the service, you know,

841
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: in my time in the National Football League, and the

842
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: feeling that you get and I think, I don't know

843
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: if you guys will probably agree with me. When you're

844
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: surrounded by those people and you're asked to interact with them,

845
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: you really feel inadequate around them because what we do

846
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: and what we you've done doing our life is entertainment.

847
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: What they do is I mean, we defend a chalk

848
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: lines on the ground. They defend our country with their life.

849
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: So that's Pat Tillman's legacy. Mac. That was incredible. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for telling that story. Well, and I

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Speaker 1: you know, you gave as I say, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's emotional telling the story because it is and

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Speaker 1: it always will be. But it's also very heartfelt and

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00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: it's very true. And you know, Pat, Pat's honored in

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Speaker 1: the in the in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

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00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: He's honored all around the country constantly because he's he

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00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: was a unique individual. But Pat never wanted to be

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Speaker 1: a unique individual as far as joining the service, as

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, and I told you in rhet

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Speaker 1: when he did it. You know, I said, Pat's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a big story. Now you're gonna have to handle this.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, no, coach, you handle it.

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Speaker 1: You're good at this. But also he said, I'm no

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Speaker 1: bigger story than any other man or woman that's joining

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Speaker 1: the service. I'm doing my part just like they are. Awesome, awesome, awesome.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to be able to honor all

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Speaker 1: of the men and women who are serving in all

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Speaker 1: the branches of the military this Sunday at Niecean Stadium

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Speaker 1: the Salute to Service game when the Titans take on

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. Kick off for that game is

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Speaker 1: at noon. MAC will be on the radio at eleven.

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Speaker 1: We'll be there to get the party started, so be

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Speaker 1: sure to tune in on Titans Radio at eleven o'clock

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Speaker 1: for the pregame show and then we are moving on

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00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: to kickoff and hoping to extend this wind streak a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Let's do it. Let's we need to do that.

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Speaker 1: We need to continue this. We're on a nice roll.

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00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: Keep the role going. And by the way, thank you

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00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: for all the people that come up to me and

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00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: tell me how much they like this podcast. It's very cool.

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00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: It is very cool, very cool, very nice of them.

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Speaker 1: I think we're close to a million. I think we

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Speaker 1: are edging into the high hundred thousands. Well that's close

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Speaker 1: to a million at least. Before we go, I have

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00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: to ask you, because this is a very topical thing.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch Yellowstone, Yes, the season four of the

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Speaker 1: first two episodes. Yeah, fantastic, really fantastic. Beth Dutton, let

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00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: me tell you something I wish, I wish, I wish

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00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: I could draft Beth Dutton to play defense because she

890
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: is bad to the bone. Okay, I haven't seen it yet,

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00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm gonna make this a priority in

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00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: the next couple of days so that by the next

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00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: show we can have an intelligent discussion with no spoilers.

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00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: The characters are so so well cast, and then, of course,

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00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it is it is, it is

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00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner just outstanding in it. But the whole cast

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00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: is tremendous, and the storyline is is good, and plus

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Speaker 1: I mean that's there's a whole lot of difference between

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Speaker 1: those people and West Texas people, So I'm all in

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Speaker 1: on that. There are all your people, they are all right,

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00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out so that we can actually

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Speaker 1: have intelligent conversations about this. I'm all a four. Yeah,

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00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm all for intelligent conversations. I may not be an

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Speaker 1: intelligent part of the conversation, but at least it can

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Speaker 1: be half intelligent. You're the intelligent part. I'm not, well,

906
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: you're the entertaining part. It's the brains and lebraun. Keep going,

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00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: keep going. All right, we're gonna wrap this up because

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00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: it's devolving. Coach Mac, do you have anything else that

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Speaker 1: you want to add before we take on the Saints. No,

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00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: that's just it. Let's just go. You know, the National

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00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: Football League's a series of seventeen one week seasons. Let's

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00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: go win this season this weekend. All right? I like

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Speaker 1: that for Coach Mac. I'm Amy Wells. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: listening to the Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast. Be

915
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: sure to subscribe, Like it, to share it, Tell your friends,

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Speaker 1: do whatever you need to do. We're trying to get

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Speaker 1: to that one million. One million subscriber will get Mercedes

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Speaker 1: bins by Amy Wills. Oh no, I can't buy that.

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00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I can't do that. Well you have to. Now, I say,

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00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: do you want? Thank you for listening to the Titans

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Speaker 1: Amy and Coach Mack podcast