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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. This episode in particular,

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Speaker 1: has been a long time in coming, because, as you

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Speaker 1: this show researching military basis or mysterious compounds across the planet.

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Speaker 1: And while we often travel outside of the bounds of

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Speaker 1: these United States, we tend to focus most often on

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Speaker 1: that means that we're going to hear about places in

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Speaker 1: the US or associated with US way more often than say,

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Speaker 1: agency connections. So on the off chance that you're listening

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Speaker 1: go ahead email us up give us those military connections. Yes,

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Speaker 1: like some of our fellow listeners did after we we

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Speaker 1: did an episode on Australia recently and someone wrote to

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Speaker 1: us about this very topic. I mean, someone else sent

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Speaker 1: us a Koala bear. No, you we should only say

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Speaker 1: I do. Sometimes I call Matt Maddie bear. Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: years now. Speaking of for years now, your fellow listeners

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Speaker 1: foreign soil. Welcome friends and neighbors to Pine Gap. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: and our story begins in this small little town called

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Speaker 1: are important. You go, So back to Rainfall. This base

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Speaker 1: it's like a radius, right, isn't that how fire missile

429
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Speaker 1: or you know other classes of missiles that explode with

430
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Speaker 1: a radius. Yeah, yeah, they're called tactical, but probably the

431
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: best way to say it is comparatively tactic, right, as

432
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: opposed to like wiping out an entire city. Maybe just

433
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: wipe out a city block right, right, or a wedding, yeah,

434
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: instead of a building an entire skyscraper. If you look

435
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: at some of this stuff on live leak that you

436
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: can find with the targeted strikes with drones, I mean

437
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a depending on Again, it just depends on the munitions.

438
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: But one missile wouldn't take out a block at all.

439
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: It would it would take out a room for sure,

440
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: or like a part of a building. Part of a building.

441
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that's that's the thing that becomes so

442
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: divisive so quickly. So Supporters of extra judicial killings involving

443
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: U a v s will say that it is really

444
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: the best, most safe way to preserve the lives of

445
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: military members and the minimu eyes the possibility of civilian casualties.

446
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: Opponents will say, uh no, because it's like the old

447
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: autonomous vehicle argument. We're still we're still screwing up and

448
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have this devil's advocate, doesn't have the

449
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: potential to make you more trigger happy. If there's no

450
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: human cost on our end, it makes you may be

451
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: more likely to roll the dice and just give it

452
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: a go. You're not having to send out your best

453
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: men and women for the job. That's I mean, that's

454
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: a that's a good argument as well, because one of

455
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: the balances for um Western societies that you often here

456
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: touted is that the public is supposed to be able

457
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: to react to this. It's often said that wars are

458
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: more politically expensive for representative democracies and straight democracies because

459
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: the people have a voice in government in this situation. Unfortunately,

460
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: Australians largely do not because this maybe now a joint

461
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: United States and Australian bass, but a lot of the

462
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: drone work is coming from the U S side, and

463
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: we should establish highlight underlying italicized bold the following this

464
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: issue with drone targeting and widespread vacuum cleaner approach surveillance.

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00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: These are the criticisms of Pine Gap that you will

466
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: hear most often in legitimate journalism, right, these are the

467
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: ones you will hear about in UM security journals, in

468
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: viable publications and stuff. But there's good reason. And there's

469
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: good reason, yeah, because it's real. And after we take

470
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: a quick break, will examine some of the stranger stories

471
00:29:51,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: about Pine Gap. Okay, so for some reason here in

472
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: our notes we have this section titled the Crazy has

473
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: come out to play. I don't mean to be in

474
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Speaker 1: any way Denta grading with that. It's just these are

475
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: some pretty insane things. The outlandish claims, now outlandish claims,

476
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: they're they're so far outlandish that they're literally extraterrestrial out

477
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: of lands. But it's it's no surprise that Pine Gaff

478
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: has become the subject of numerous conspiracy theories and excreasingly.

479
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I like the word you use Matt outlandish claims. We've

480
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: got a few of the really out there ones. I

481
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: don't know where do you where do you guys want

482
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: to go first? You want to do the UFO stuff first,

483
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: to know, I know where you want to start? You

484
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: know where we want to start? Boy? Do I ever

485
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: the secret portal? Yes? I want to talk about portals?

486
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever seen a portal? Donny Darko reference?

487
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Apparently the this maybe this is one of the stream

488
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: just conspiratorial claims about Pine Gap And the argument is

489
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: that the CIA has has been conducting time travel experiments

490
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: and super soldier programs in pine Gaps sort of because

491
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: they're using portals to send people to Mars where where

492
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of these things are conducted and we

493
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: have to yeah, we have to treat this with a

494
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: willbarrow assault. There's a fringe researcher named Richard Souder who

495
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: claimed to have spoken with a whistleblower named rich Hansen,

496
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: and according to Souder, Hansen is not only a part

497
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: or was not only once a part of these ultra

498
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: secret programs, but he left for Mars military service from

499
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: a time portal in Australia. There you go, yeah. So,

500
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: so this is interesting because it is true that various

501
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: people who did work for work at Pine Gap at

502
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: one point or another did say that the bosses were

503
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: c I A. So we know that part is true.

504
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: Um portals, time portals, uh me have the plot of

505
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: the movie Time Cop Jean Claude van Dam, except this

506
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: time on Mars, and this time it's personal on Mars.

507
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, okay, we don't want to I don't

508
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: want to poke fund at it too much. What if

509
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: rich Hanson is a real person and Sawder was also

510
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: genuine when he was telling the story. I mean, there is,

511
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: and there is an alternate universe where this occurs some

512
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: some other dimension if you believe in the multidimensional stuff.

513
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: And thank you for the setup, mat because it is

514
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: true that Sauder, by the way, also claims in his

515
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: book Underground, Bases and Tunnels that the base Pine Gap

516
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: or Rainfall operates in all internate dimensions, so exist on

517
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: multiple planes of reality at once. But see, if if

518
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: multiverse theories are correct, then isn't everything existing in multiplicity

519
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: at all? Is not the whole point? No, I think

520
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: what he means there is that it operates. You can

521
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: reach through and you can, you know, pick up your

522
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: screwdriver from this other dimension, bring it back over to

523
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: this dimension, or step through to what end? I guess

524
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: are you affecting the timeline in ways that military militaristically

525
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: tactical ways. Well, so, yeah, good question, Matt. I think

526
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: you're you're going even larger. You're going to the meta level,

527
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: which is that if all if if universes are infinite,

528
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: and all possible things exist in some some sort of reality, timeline,

529
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: branch sphere, what have you, then there would be one

530
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: or many where this thing is actually true and we

531
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: just happened to be living in and where that's not

532
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: the case at that last. But well, here's here's the

533
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: problem with that, which is very familiar problem to anybody

534
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: who reads about this sort of stuff. If it is

535
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: an ultra secret program and we live in a reality

536
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: where a very public Washington Post journalist just very publicly

537
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: got dismembered for not even saying horrible things about the

538
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Saudi crown prince and the US government, then how are

539
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: these people still alive? Yeah? How in the holy kangaroo

540
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: are these people still alive? Blowing up the truth, exposing

541
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: the hidden secrets of reality tripping time traveling c I

542
00:34:52,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: a financed Nichi ubermanh out on Mars, you know what

543
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, So again that's underground Bases and Tunnels

544
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: book that you can find somewhere at some time in

545
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: some dimension this dimension maybe act now before the before

546
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: the Mandela effect kicks in, right, So okay, so you

547
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: gotta do that. That's probably one of one of the

548
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: strangest and craziest, but one has I think many more

549
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: people taking it seriously. Is the association of pine Gap

550
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: with the activity of unidentified flying objects. And it dates

551
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: way back to just a few years after things really

552
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: got rolling there in nine. This is true. Um. In

553
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, there was a cartographer who reported seeing

554
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: a vertical shaft of blue light, very very blindingly bright

555
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: vertical shaft of blue light in front of him just

556
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: after the stroke of midnight. And it was clearly the

557
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: source of this was the base. UM. So he he

558
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: decided to take a look, take a closer look, and

559
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: he moved his vehicle to the base a little bit closer,

560
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: and he saw a large, gleaming disk hovering about a

561
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: thousand feet from the ground, and he kept watching it.

562
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: This I guess security must have been less tight at

563
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: that time, because he's there for a while. He watches

564
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: it for about half an hour, and during this time

565
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: he sees another beam of blue light emanating from the

566
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Speaker 1: UFO towards the ground where it's it's hitting several of

567
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: those raydomes, those um golf ball things, right, and it's

568
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: it's hitting the light is hitting those directly. And then

569
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: the lights cease and another light beam appears, and this

570
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: time from the raydomes to the craft and this goes

571
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: back and forth, this exchange of light bright burst again

572
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: for about half an hour, and then the disc begins

573
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: to spin more and more weickly. Flash boom, It shoots

574
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: into the sky and disappears. WHOA. Now, let's I have

575
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: a couple of questions about that one that we cannot

576
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: answer right now, because I imagine it being more of

577
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: a laser beam of light. Um, if there's some kind

578
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: of I'm just imagining that. It's completely true, there's some

579
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: form of energy or communications transfer occurring in some way.

580
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: That's why you would have a a beam of light

581
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: from one of those things. Um, that's the only thing

582
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: I can imagine, because if not, is it refueling. Well yeah,

583
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: but but here's the whole thing, Like, Okay, how could

584
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: you discern that the light was coming from the ground

585
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: up to the craft? Right? It would be if it's

586
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: just a um, a splash of light essentially, you know,

587
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: like like a spotlight or something, you would be able

588
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: to tell, Oh, it's more centered on the on the ground,

589
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: and then it's a little wider up top nearer wherever

590
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: the craft is a thousand feet up, it would occur.

591
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: That kind of light shaping would occur if it was

592
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: just a ight, if it was a laser beam, how

593
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: could you tell which way it was traveling because it's

594
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: instant travel speed of lights. So a good question kind

595
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: of go, okay, maybe weather balloon? Right, Maybe it was

596
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: something that he saw that he just didn't understand quite possibly. Well,

597
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: in ninety five, then let's let's look at this one.

598
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: There was a pilot and several passengers on a private

599
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: plane near Pine Gaps airspace, which is obviously restricted airspace,

600
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: and they they all said, hey, here's a here's a

601
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: cool idea. Let's try to sneak a peek at all

602
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: the weird stuff they have to be doing down their

603
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: Pine Gaps all right, let's do it. And so out

604
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: of nowhere, this big white object appears to take off

605
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: from the base below them at a breakneck speed, and

606
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: as soon as the witnesses were able to focus on

607
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: this thing that taking off, it had vanished into the sky.

608
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: The pilot made a report of this sighting as soon

609
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: as they landed, and the plane was fine, obviously, thankfully,

610
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: both the pilot and all of the passengers were asked

611
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: to wait for investigators who were gonna come and get

612
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: some more details from them. But when the investigators show

613
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: up again, according to the story, they told the witnesses

614
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: that they were for They men and blacked them, and

615
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: so get everything you've seen about this. Don't talk about

616
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: anything you saw nothing. Do you think they flashed them?

617
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: That would be cool, That would be cool. But then

618
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: how would this story have gotten out? Oh, you're right.

619
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: One one person wasn't looking directly really quickly. I always

620
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: wondered if that would work. And men and black. But

621
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: then we have more reports of UFOs and Pine Gap.

622
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there were five anonymous witnesses who said they

623
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: saw something else. It was another sighting there at Pine Gap. Uh.

624
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: They they wanted to be anonymous due to their their

625
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: apparent positions within the Australian government. You know, you it's

626
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: one of those things, those situations where you can't prove

627
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: that these people are part of the Australian government, but

628
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: they said they were, and that's why they want to

629
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: be anonymous. So there's let's say the leader of this

630
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: group had been receiving all kinds of reports about UFO

631
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: sightings just above Pine Gap or near Pine Gap in

632
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: the weeks leading up to this thing that would become

633
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: their encounter this night, to this this moment um. One

634
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: message that was received by this leader of the group

635
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: was a little more mysterious than the rest, and it

636
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: advised that something big was going to happen at Pine

637
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: Gap in the upcoming days. So guess what they did.

638
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: There's five of them, and they split themselves into two

639
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: groups using two different vehicles, and they approached the base

640
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: from two different positions. Smart. That's very smart, good idea.

641
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's keep going down there. Once they

642
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: get there, they essentially start staking out the grounds, which

643
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: is again we're talking about a massive campus or I

644
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: don't know, campus is the right word for it. Massive compound,

645
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: uh and that's only five people to cover that with

646
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: only two vehicles. But anyway, they're just gonna check it

647
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: out for as long as they can, they say, there

648
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: for days. The first three days there's absolutely no activity

649
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: that they notice, at least anything of note. But on

650
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: the fourth night everything changed when several large military vehicles

651
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: started ferrying all these large groups of workers in coveralls

652
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: to the to the large radomes, the big golf ball

653
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: looking things. So they're like, huh, I wonder what those

654
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: guys are doing. And then and things changed. Yeah, As

655
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: this was all taking place, as this brew ha ha

656
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: ha haad i imagining pillar of light shot upward from

657
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: the ground to the sky. They don't specify whether it's

658
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: shot out from one of these radomes or dishes. A

659
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: strange cloud was forming high above the base around this

660
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: pillar of light, and when it vanished, they saw five

661
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: strange craft making their way to the base, according to

662
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: the report, four diamond shaped UFOs and one of a

663
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: quote cigar shape, which the people that move On when

664
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: we visited Uh move On a while back, talked about

665
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: it seems to be a relatively common shape, at least

666
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: in their in their experience. Once these craft were over

667
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: the base. The pillar of light appeared again, this time

668
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: from the craft above to the grounds below. So we

669
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: see that repeat, right, almost like communication. And this went

670
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: on for several minutes. Yeah, it seems like the visual

671
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: analog of a dial up modem. Sound do you guys

672
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: remember that, Paul, Can we get a sound cue of

673
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: a dial up modem? Please? Yeah? Like that, but with lights,

674
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: it's like kind of electronic dolphin. And this this exchange

675
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: went on for a while, and the strange cloud was

676
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: still coalescing, and then like that they vanished. And these

677
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: are just a few of the UFO reports originating Pine Gap.

678
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 1: They're not even the most famous. Several of the most

679
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: well known reports include reliable witnesses like police officers, multiple

680
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: groups of people from differing vantage points seeing the same thing.

681
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: And then this consistent report of hidden doors. Did you

682
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: guys see anything about again? These secret areas become a

683
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: very common thing when you're talking about Pine Gap. Pine Gap,

684
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: the secret doors become a real thing. It's very common

685
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: occurrence when people are talking about seeing things at Pine Gap,

686
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: either either doors to secret places or see like you're saying,

687
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: secret doors that just exist within a wall somewhere or

688
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: within part of a base that you would never imagine

689
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: that there's a door there, and we know, I mean

690
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: it makes sense to have those sorts of entrances and

691
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: exits built into secret places, right, especially when there's a

692
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: large underground area. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, look no further

693
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: than Nora rad or that hotel that turned out to

694
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: secretly be a bunker for senators here in the States,

695
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: which everyone thought we were crazy when we mentioned it

696
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: at first. I'm just saying, but there's a counterpoint to

697
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: these UFO reports, and it's the one. Okay. So one

698
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: of the big theories about unidentified flying objects, which of course,

699
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: as we said before, not necessarily extraterrestrial. One of the

700
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: big arguments is that these things are man made technology

701
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: or human made technology that the public just doesn't know

702
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: about yet, and that these things are a tremendous tactical

703
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: advantage to whichever country possesses them or whichever private company

704
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: multinational possesses them. That leads us to ask, well, how

705
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: close are the US and Australa really? That's been my

706
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: question from the start, and I'm sure feels like they're

707
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: giving up a whole lot of their own sovereignty you know,

708
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 1: to have this facility that largely benefits US and not them,

709
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: and if anything put to their country in the line

710
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: of fire, potentially, yeah, absolutely, if there really is to

711
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: go BacT to this question, if there really is some

712
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: sort of top secret mind blowing flight or anti gravity technology,

713
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: something that would change the world were to ever come out,

714
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: why would the US place it in a foreign country,

715
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: regardless of how friendly their relations. Maybe at some given time,

716
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: what if the Australian government, We're the ones who were

717
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: first contacted, and the United States placed the the facility

718
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: there and begin you know, hey, we've got the biggest military,

719
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: We're the ones who need to be handling this kind

720
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: of thing. And then it became a joint operation. But

721
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: the Australians were always the I like that that has

722
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: that has like a ring of patriotism too for Australians there.

723
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: But this is okay, if we're speculating, this is something

724
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: that seemed that gets me really quickly into the realm

725
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: of science fiction. If we wanted to go profoundly deep

726
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: into the rabbit hole, we could speculate that maybe there

727
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: was some sort of geographical constraint that meant the base

728
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: due to its uh, extra dimensional properties or something had

729
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: to be built in that specific spot for some specific reason.

730
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: There is a portole Lamars, but it only occurs there

731
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: because of some I don't know, gobbledegook pseudoscience electromagnetic park superpositions,

732
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: because of the dreamtime, because of the dream which we

733
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: originally recognized as a dreamtime. Oh my god, we're writing

734
00:46:47,239 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: the movie now, Stargate Auseie Gate, Alice Gate. I want

735
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: to go down that rabbit hole further, but I think

736
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: we need to wrap this up, gentlemen. Yeah, so let's

737
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: end on the present day, as of which is the

738
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: closest we could get to the present day for public reporting.

739
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: Pine Gap is still expanding. It's got a total of

740
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: about thirty eight radio dishes, many covered in those golf

741
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: balls who mentioned earlier. Those things help them. It's weather

742
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: worth better. It's just weather proofing. I mean, that's the

743
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: adial explanation. Yeah, just to keep the rust off. The

744
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: North Korean situation is one of the most crucial because

745
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: of the basis proximity to the Korean peninsula and therefore

746
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: the proximity of Australia, the city of Darwin and Northern

747
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: Territory is about thirty six hundred miles from pyeong Youang

748
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: with a and that puts a within range of an

749
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I C b M or intercontinental ballistic missile, which makes

750
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: the question are there I C B M s out

751
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: there in Pine Gap? Somewhere? Are their silos? I wonder

752
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: you think they would put all their eggs in one

753
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: basket like that? And why would you do that when

754
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: you've just got super carriers and carriers everywhere, plenty of

755
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: other military bases right, and subs and whatever else. And

756
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: the problem here is if we were to war game

757
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: a bit, if the US did become involved in a

758
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: in a hot war with the DPRK Democratic People's Republic

759
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: of Korea, then Australia could quickly would almost certainly be

760
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: quickly dragged into this conflict. And despite being isolated pretty

761
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: far inland, Pine Gap would be instrumental in the us

762
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: UH the informational aspects of the U S side of

763
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: the war. But also it would have a huge target

764
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: on its back because if you if you blow that

765
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: thing up, you're poking an eye, you know what I mean?

766
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: That's my question, like, how does it behoove the Australian government,

767
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: who aren't even allowed into the US cryptography room. You know,

768
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: it seems like they're kept at arms length about a

769
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff. What do we have on them,

770
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: or what do they have on us? Or what where?

771
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: That's that's my fascination with this whole story. What makes

772
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: it symbiosis rather than paris exactly? And I think, you know,

773
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: given what I know about our country and our our

774
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: our tendency that maybe strong arm less powerful countries, I

775
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: would tend to think it might be more in the

776
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: parasitic type of relationship. Here's the deal where I would

777
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: I think it would be difficult for you to name

778
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: twenty places in the plane in other countries that don't

779
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: have a U. S. Military base in them. Yeah, well,

780
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean twenty, Like, yes, you can

781
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: name a few that we know for sure, but but

782
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: in most places there is a U. S. Military presence.

783
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: And it's just how it is. In this case, maybe

784
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: it's even a little less intrusive because it's intelligence collection

785
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: and it's way out of the way, and there's a

786
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: visible you know, police state, your patient of any kind.

787
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that's a research facility. It's you know,

788
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: essentially on paper. And also it's well, it's not a

789
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: reason it is on paper maybe, but I don't know

790
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: if we can even be called that anymore because the

791
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: cover story got blown out of the water so hard.

792
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: I am going to take take you up on that, Matt.

793
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna come back. We're back

794
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: in the studio and see if I can find twenties

795
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: twenty countries that don't have US basis. I don't know

796
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: if I can. I want to say there are several

797
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: in Africa that don't. Yeah, but they they got presents

798
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: with out outpost outsourced military forces, which I think we

799
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: should count. So this, this is fascinating because it does

800
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: it's a huge question to your point, Noll. Probably one

801
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: of the best arguments for it is going to be

802
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: the idea of mutual security preventing perhaps the rise of

803
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: a new hedgemon in the region, namely China. So maybe

804
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: Australia is of the mind that we already have a

805
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: good relationship with the US. Let's keep that going. I

806
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, it goes to speculation. No, it

807
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: is true that um, it is true that there are

808
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: supporters of Pine Gap in Australia and their primary. The

809
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: primary thing they say is don't believe all the conspiratorial stuff,

810
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: all the all the alarmist hoopla. The truth of the

811
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: matter is that this is good for us and it

812
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: helps keep our country safer. So we we do wanna,

813
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: we do wanna depict that part, just to be fair. Also,

814
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: on a pop culture note, if you want to see

815
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: stories that take place in Pine Gap fictional stories, check

816
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: out the new series I think it's on Netflix. It's

817
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: about Pine Gap and it's called, as we like to

818
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: say on the show, in a burst of creativity, Pine Gap. Yes,

819
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: I'm watching the trailer right now. It looks it looks

820
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: like a lot of fun, does it is? I wonder

821
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: what the tone is. Do you think it's like twenty

822
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: four Quantico or something. It feels very much like one

823
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: of those police procedurals kind of thing with a little

824
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: more style. Maybe, Oh thank god, it's kind an American

825
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: flag in an Australian flag. It's this Pine Gap. It's

826
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: got a whole team. I like it. Do do they

827
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: look like they're legitimate intelligence workers or do they all

828
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: look like waiters from Los Angeles? They look like figures

829
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: from us. Of course they're watered from. That's amazing, so

830
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: so so this this is literally like a like a

831
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: UM Law and Order in C I S type situation,

832
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: but headquartered in Pine Gap. And it's like an Adventure

833
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: of the Week kind of story. I don't know, is

834
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: it more like X Files? I don't know nothing about.

835
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: I just watched the trailer without sound and it it

836
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: looked like that. Well it exists. Watch the Can you

837
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: watch the show without sound and without captions and maybe

838
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: come back and tell us what you're taking? All right?

839
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: So that that's where we are now. These do not

840
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: answer all of the questions about Pine Gap, but we

841
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: do want to We do want to thank all all

842
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: of our listeners out in Australia in that part of

843
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: the world who said, hey, our fellow listeners would like

844
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: to hear more about this, because I don't think it

845
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: gets a lot of ink here in the United States.

846
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: And what better way to end the episode than leaving

847
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: the last word to Professor Tanter. It goes as follows quote.

848
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: Pine Gap literally hard wires us into the activities of

849
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: the American military, and in some cases that means we

850
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: will copy the consequences. Like it or not. Pine Gap

851
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: will be contributing hugely in real time to those operations

852
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: as well as in preparation for them. So whether or

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