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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: For some people, destiny arrives early, hands them a map,

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Speaker 1: and clears a path toward the future. For others, destiny

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Speaker 1: shows up later while they're still kicking around in the woods.

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Speaker 1: My guests today, Dick Cavin and Kristen wigg took two

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Speaker 1: very different journeys, but both ended up right where they

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Speaker 1: were meant to be. As a little boy, Dick Cavitt

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Speaker 1: loved to talk. A month ago on this stable and

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Speaker 1: I was going through old envelopes of stuff, I found

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Speaker 1: three report cards. Dick Miss learned to control his talking

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Speaker 1: is on two of them. Dick Miss learned to let

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Speaker 1: others talk occasionally. One of the wittier ones UH put down.

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Speaker 1: And when his family finally got a television, he fell

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Speaker 1: in love with that too. It was only a matter

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Speaker 1: of time before Cavin would combine the two with a

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Speaker 1: talk show that generated some of the medium's greatest moments.

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Speaker 1: That come didn't kiss me then when you came out?

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Speaker 1: If I'm so well, let's see this is the third show.

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Speaker 1: By the fifth show, we'll go to another hell of

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Speaker 1: a kiss. I come out. But let's say you happened

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Speaker 1: to meet my first guest, Kristen Wigg when she was

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Speaker 1: in college. If you brought up the idea of her acting,

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Speaker 1: let alone being on Saturday Night Live, she'd probably stare

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Speaker 1: at you blankly. Yet Lauren Michaels has called Wig one

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Speaker 1: of the best performers in SNL history. She has changed

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Speaker 1: the conversation about women in comedy. So it's hard to

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Speaker 1: believe Whigg's career almost didn't happen. I was an art major.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really for me. I was kind of in

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Speaker 1: my I hate the word party phase. I hate that word.

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Speaker 1: I was having fun, I guess at that time, and

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Speaker 1: I I was taking it easy. And then I didn't

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Speaker 1: really know what I was having, Like what am I

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Speaker 1: going to do with my life? You're in your ring

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Speaker 1: ding ding peg. I've never used that term, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to And then I went back to Rochester because

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what I wanted to do. And then

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Speaker 1: I just started like taking classes at the local community college.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, I want to travel art

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Speaker 1: art classes and there's no performance element of you doing

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Speaker 1: don't think people wake up when they're twenty three. You

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Speaker 1: know what, I never really did plays. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: in front of people. I still actually don't really like

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Speaker 1: what that is? It's like outward bound, where you like,

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Speaker 1: what knowles National Outdoor Leadership School. You're laughing in me,

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Speaker 1: it's like outward found leadership. Yeah. It was like you

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Speaker 1: learn how to live outside and like you and if

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Speaker 1: Maid pay per view. Anyway, long story short. After that,

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Speaker 1: I didn't tell my parents that I was leaving Arizona,

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Speaker 1: and I just kept saying, God, it's really hot here.

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Speaker 1: And when you got there, how quickly did you get

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Speaker 1: into the groundlings thing? Not quickly because I moved there

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Speaker 1: I got there and I was like, what is it?

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Speaker 1: of actors and performers and writers and filmmakers for the

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Speaker 1: I had zero experience. I wasn't you know, nineteen and

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Speaker 1: I just got a job and wasn't really doing anything

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Speaker 1: doing one I worked at anthropology anthropology, yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: still kind of that way. Oh yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm ever going to figure it out. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: there's certainly have a sense that they're visiting I'll do

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Speaker 1: hard to find that balance. I think also like people

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Speaker 1: just be like, oh, I'll start sweating and your drinking.

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Speaker 1: Going to the dinner and someone else does all the talking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I like going to dinner with you. But

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Speaker 1: so when you're there and you get into the groundlings,

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Speaker 1: groundings opened everything up. How So because for you you're

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Speaker 1: Because I think when you're handed a scrip up, you

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Speaker 1: You don't talk to anybody when you're drawing or painting.

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Speaker 1: we sent it. I'm my manager sent a tape in.

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Speaker 1: groundlings were you were working. I was, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: and then I asked her to come see my Groundling

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Speaker 1: We'd liked her to audition this summer. Five characters, three impressions,

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Speaker 1: never done impressions on stage at the Groundlings. It was

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Speaker 1: the toughest to figure out because she's this person that

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Speaker 1: my character instantly hates, but my best friend is very

426
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Speaker 1: close with her, so you have to see what she

427
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: sees in her too. So Rose was that perfect thing

428
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: of like, oh God, she's driving me crazy, but oh

429
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Speaker 1: I kind of want to hang out with her. And

430
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: she did that women like if men are friends and

431
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: then you have a friend, I can't stand. But with men,

432
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 1: they understand just don't bring him around, right, But with

433
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Speaker 1: women it's like, you know, you know, come on, yeah,

434
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: bring her over. He's not so bad. Yeah, And then

435
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: she comes over and you're like, Hi, talk about Melissa.

436
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Melissa at the Groundlings was a little ahead of me.

437
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: From the moment I met her. I just was like

438
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: looked up to her and had never seen anyone in

439
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: my life not only embrace characters like she does, but

440
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: creates them. The stuff that she's done at the Groundlings

441
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: is insane, like shows sold out when she's you know,

442
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: doing her stuff. When she came into audition for this,

443
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: it was absolutely perfect. There's something very maternal about Melissa,

444
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: which was very important in that character. And also she's

445
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: just can I swear on the show? I think of

446
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: a metaphor. Okay, she's effing brilliant. Can I just say that,

447
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: we're like so lucky that she's in the movie. What

448
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: are you doing next? Have you any movies in the can?

449
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: I have one movie that's in the can right now

450
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: called Imogene. I'm a writer in New York. My relationship

451
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: has just ended. Without giving too much away, people think

452
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: that I tried to kill myself and drama. It's it's

453
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Speaker 1: a drama with comedy in it. And then I have

454
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: to be released to a family member when I'm in

455
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Speaker 1: the hospital because they don't have enough room in the hospital,

456
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Speaker 1: and so I have to go home to my mom,

457
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Speaker 1: who in that Benning plays I'm seeing her or talk

458
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Speaker 1: to her, and you know, eight ten years so it's

459
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Speaker 1: sort of going back home, finding out what's important, that

460
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: whole kind of thing. This is a trite question, but

461
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Speaker 1: I often think about this myself, being older than you

462
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: and coming from a different generation. When I would come

463
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Speaker 1: in and I would meet people that were not peers

464
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: of mine, but people that I really admired. But I

465
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: didn't always work with people that were, you know, on

466
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Speaker 1: Turner classic movies, so to speak. I wasn't making movies

467
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: with John Garfield, but the William Holden. But when I

468
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: would meet these people that I deeply admired, it was

469
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: just such an amazingly resonating experience. And on SNL, you've

470
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: got a different person every week, presumably, who are some

471
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: of the ones that are most memorable to you that

472
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: you work with? You were like, I can't believe I'm

473
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: standing here doing my thing with Blank Well SNL side

474
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: of up bending on this movie. I had completely had

475
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: that with her. I couldn't believe I was doing scenes

476
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: with her and she was playing my mother. I mean,

477
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: I can't even just very gifted. Yeah, um my god,

478
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: SNL is like every week, can you think of even

479
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: one or two that you just went holy you no, No,

480
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: come on true um Steve Martin. When I first met him,

481
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I've I've watched you

482
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: and worshiped you. Yeah, for most of my and that

483
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: was pretty crazy. And DeNiro when he posted it was

484
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: it was amazing. Plus you know what it is because

485
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: you meet people, you go out to parties, whatever, and

486
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: you meet people. But when people come to S and L,

487
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: you're seeing such a different side to them because they're

488
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: not in their element. Some of the more dramatic actors

489
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: don't have comedy experience, so it's interesting to see people

490
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: not in their element come on the show and be

491
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: sort of like, tell me what to do. Kristen's final

492
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live show was an emotional one. Each cast member,

493
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: one at a time, danced with Kristen Wiggs said she

494
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: would miss SNL in many ways. It's a two parter

495
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: at the people. I'm going to miss seeing all those

496
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: faces every day and what the people bring out in me,

497
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: that creative muscle that you have when you're at SNL.

498
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's so fast paced. You're putting a puzzle

499
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: together and it has to be put together by Saturday,

500
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: and being surrounded by creative people and knowing that you're

501
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: all in it together and you're putting on a show,

502
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: pushing this huge boulder together. Every Saturday you do something

503
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: that you're scared to do. I will miss that feeling.

504
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: And of course you have absolutely no prospects whatsoever. I

505
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: really it's a really ballsy move on your part, because

506
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: who the f can hire you? I don't know. I

507
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: may go back to open up a canoe shop? Is

508
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: the goal for you? Films? And it's less kind of

509
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: factory work like TV can be. Yeah, I mean temporarily,

510
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean I I don't know. I don't like the

511
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: word goal because I feel like those are always changing

512
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: for me. You don't like having goals. I don't like

513
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: having goals. That's why, you know, do what I do.

514
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to direct, I want to

515
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: live in Paris and paint. I want to do like

516
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to do a lot of

517
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: different things, seriously, live in Paris and I don't know?

518
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: You well, maybe but then I live in Paris for

519
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: two months? How great? There? You and I are going

520
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: to have dinner when we talk about the Haunted Studio.

521
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that John is going to give us notes on

522
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: we'll get together. Also, we'll have another lunch of separate

523
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: to talk about healthy goal making healthy right, you know

524
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not that I don't think you

525
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: should have goals. Let me go back. What I'm saying

526
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: is my life right now is not what I thought

527
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: it would be six months ago. But you never know

528
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and it's so day to day

529
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I just I don't know. But

530
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: I love that you're so blithe about it, but in

531
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: a healthy way where you're like, you know, I'm gonna

532
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: leave myself because that's our straight today. No, I never

533
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: want to stop doing creative things, whatever they may be.

534
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: It's all going well. I can't complain. I'm very happy

535
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: as she should be. Kristin Wig is preparing to star

536
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: and upcoming films directed by Sean Penn, Ben Stiller and

537
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Aero Morris, and if things go the way one would suspect,

538
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: she'll continue to delight us for as long as My

539
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: Next Guest has. Over the course of nearly five decades

540
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: and television, Dick Cavott has perfected the art of the

541
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: great interview. The Dick Cavitt showed debut in here was

542
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: a small town Nebraska boy with a Yale education. Cultured

543
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: yet unintimidating, thoughtful, honestly, curious, and funny. He had a

544
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: knack for gently driving the conversation to the heart of

545
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: the matter while keeping his guests relaxed. All yours and again,

546
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, wouldn't it be ridiculous if you didn't.

547
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: Cavot show could book the brightest and often the most

548
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: reclusive celebrities of that time, Katherine Hepburn, John and Yoko, Groucho, Marks, Orson, Wells, Truman, Capote. Eventually,

549
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: Cavitt himself was as admired as his guests. Robert, if

550
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: one more person had told me how many times you've

551
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: terrified interviewers, I wouldn't have been able to do this.

552
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't feel it. I'd terrify interviewers the moral less

553
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: terrifying me. W Reynolds ask him, do it's that root

554
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: in Hollywood Day? Asks? It's all right now, you can

555
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: ask me, you know, I mean, I mean, my teeth

556
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: don't come out. I visited Cavatt at his house in Montauk,

557
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: a place called Tick Hall. I've known Cavatt for several

558
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: years as a neighbor out on Long Island, taken Tick

559
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Hall sits atop a remote cliff overlooking the Atlantic. The

560
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: views are spectacular. Cavots lived here since the nineteen sixties.

561
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: For our listeners, that's sound you're hearing is the rattle

562
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: of the iced tea being delivered into the very attractive employee. Yeah,

563
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: that's actually his wife, Martha. His first wife, Carrie Ny,

564
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: died in two thousand six. Eddie and Puff. Cavot got

565
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: his start in show business writing for the greats of

566
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: early television, Jack Parr, MERV Griffin and Johnny Carson. After

567
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: a few years of this, he decided to start writing

568
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: for himself. But first he had to figure out who

569
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: he was. And there's a breakthrough point I had when

570
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: I got what you might call a premise, and I've

571
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: just refound thank god it lost letter from Grautchow saying

572
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: I saw you on the MERV Griffin show the other

573
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: night and got that old feeling. Seriously, he may have said,

574
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: I think you've struck a mother load with your idea

575
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: of being the Nebraska yokel at Yale and that was

576
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: the card you played. Well, Yes, I started thinking what

577
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: you know? Always you here writers right, what they know? Well,

578
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: what's my life? What do I know? I don't have

579
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: an usual large nose, I don't have fun. Him not

580
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: short and fat. I can't play off that him. But

581
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: I did come from the Midwest and go to the

582
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: Ivy League, totally contrasting worlds. There's no in your family. None.

583
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: All three of my parents I also had a stepmother,

584
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: were teachers, and my dad taught high school. And and

585
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: as he always reminded me, when I was going to

586
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: spend some money on something, your mother and I in

587
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: the depression had to decide whether it has spend a

588
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: dime on a loaf of bread or if we could

589
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: go to a movie with it. I can't believe that,

590
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: But that's depression there. That was my Yeah. I think

591
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: every time I go to Comstock, I tried to picture

592
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: where my dad maybe lived and taught, and but he

593
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: was rewarded with nine hundred dollars a year. Now, what

594
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: what was your relationship to conversation? Meaning have you've always

595
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: been the conversationalist back home in Nebraska? And then when

596
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: you went to Yale and a month ago on this

597
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: table and I was going through old envelopes of stuff,

598
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I found three what do you call report cards from third,

599
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth grade? Miss Gabus, Ms Fuchs and Mrs Graham,

600
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: And all three of them said, one might imagine how

601
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: far Dick would get if he'd stopped talking in glass,

602
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: you've hit it. Dick has learned to control his talking,

603
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: is on two of them, and Dick mis learned to

604
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: let others talk occasionally, one of the wittier ones put down.

605
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: But you were always someone who was a gift you had, apparently,

606
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: And did you go to Yale undergrad? You do graduate

607
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: school as well, No, undergrad only Sometimes I referred to

608
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: as a drama school graduate. Weren't I Wasn't? I took

609
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: three courses in the drama school while I was an undergraduate,

610
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: directing Miss Welch's speech class, Stage speaking its theory and practice,

611
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: and a theater history class taught by a humorist German.

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00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: If that isn't too redn You mentioned his name When

613
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: I saw what was the name? Alois Nuggler? It was

614
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: it was kind of good. He looked like Rex Harrison

615
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: but spoke like Himmler. Who was my other favorite name?

616
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: You told me the other day, Olah oh Orson Wells

617
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: beautiful beautiful girlfriend. I met in the right in that

618
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: part of the plaza lobby that carry Grant pauses at

619
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: in the beginning of North Benworthwest and Essential, and he said, Dick,

620
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: this is my lady friend, Oya Palin Cashoia Palin Cash,

621
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: And I thought, I don't remember that name. As long

622
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: as god, I'd love to know the details of his

623
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: life in all those years when he'd make a film,

624
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: not quite finish it, move on, live off some countess somewhere,

625
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: and then his next address would be in Spain, and

626
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: the next one would be in Dunkirk, and God, what

627
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: a life, mad strange wasted gigantic amount of talent. Obviously

628
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: not totally waste, because they did a lot of films.

629
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: But in a doctor's office I picked up a national

630
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: a New Republic, and it was an article that began.

631
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: Someday theater historians will have to deal with the problem

632
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: of what Marlon Brando and Orson Welles did to their bodies.

633
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Any parallels their two careers, the wastedness, the bad choices

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Speaker 1: early for the business that they loved to express. When

635
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Speaker 1: I was going to do a television show, I was

636
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: ten years too old for the part. I was forty,

637
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: and they wanted me to do Brick and Cat on

638
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: a hot tin roof. You were ten years to to

639
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: old forty and Brick should be, you know, hovering around

640
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: thirty late twenties. So they wanted me to do this

641
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: for CBS and have Brando play Big Daddy. So I

642
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: contacted him and he says, when would you like to

643
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: get together? I said, I'd like to get together with

644
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: you this week, quite frankly, because I'm leaving for Africa,

645
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: and he said, sure, come over the house on Thursday

646
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: at one o'clock. I went to his house twelve. I

647
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: went to Moholland Drive and had lunch with him for

648
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: nearly four hours at his house, and he talked about

649
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: his weight game and his physical problems. He talked about

650
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: it like it was an air bag, like it just

651
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: like one day. And it wasn't until he was morbidly

652
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: obese did he say, well, maybe I'm not doing so well.

653
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: But when you did the show with him, because I

654
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: watched so many of your shows, he wasn't very terribly fat.

655
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Then he had a gut. Yeah, he was a little blocky.

656
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: But the funny think about him is there's later Brando,

657
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: you know the very end. And there's him with Larry King,

658
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: and he's very playful and he's very childlike. But with

659
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: you when he was on he seemed very fueral on

660
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: the show? Was he that way off camera? He seemed

661
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: like he was gonna throw a punch any minute now

662
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I know? And and the alternating with that million dollar

663
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: green that admitted he couldn't cut away from it to

664
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Speaker 1: do a reaction shop. It was so intipnotized by that

665
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: fabulous grand his uh he seemed to have. Other people

666
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: said the show seemed like pulling teeth and what did

667
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: he bring? The dreary Indian zone forward and all the stuff.

668
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: It was a very difficult evening. And if I had

669
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: it to do again, I didn't resist him any except

670
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: at one point, well I got a laugh that he

671
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: didn't get until he heard the audience laugh. It looks

672
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: like when I've seen it back, which was what about

673
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: the success of the movie Godfather? And and he said, uh,

674
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: we'll talk about movies when the audience laughed. That's one

675
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: thing he would talk to a big movie star, ban

676
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: he said, And then he grinned. He gave through that,

677
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: and the amalous grin like I know what that's must

678
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: mean to you. So then I said, how about the

679
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: book The god Father? And he knew to laugh before.

680
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: And the other one was his belittling ice ta rattling,

681
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: belittling of the of the art of acting. And now

682
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: you know anybody can do it. You know. Once he

683
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: said to me, you know your mom said, who pete

684
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: on the toilet seat? And you said, I didn't do it.

685
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: You're acting? Then yeah. I come into his house and

686
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: he says, he says, and we're sitting there and I'm

687
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: completely numb. He comes in the first you. He comes

688
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: in in a mumu and we're in his house. It's

689
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: a very hostinatory moment for me. He looks at me

690
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: and says, uh, you and I are like two dogs

691
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: sniffing each other right now. And he says, I'd like

692
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: to make an arrangement with you, an agreement with you.

693
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: Who are you? Say whatever you want to say, and

694
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: ask me whatever you want to ask me, and I'll

695
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: say whatever I want to say, and I'll ask you

696
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: whatever I want to ask. You will just talk about

697
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: whatever we want to talk about. It'll make us feel

698
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: That is so him. But I know what you mean

699
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: when you first mate him. If you can stop the

700
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: voice in your head saying Jesus Christ. This is Marlon

701
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: Brando that I'm sitting with. And he's so aware that

702
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: my first talk with him was on the phone where

703
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: we are now. In fact, he called I've told you

704
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: what at a certain time, and we talked with the

705
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: sun about fifteen degrees of the horizon until well after

706
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: the moon had written. Coming up after a break. More

707
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: with TV legend Dick Cavitt, a man who knows exactly

708
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: what to do when an interview guest, it is truly awful.

709
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: Be sure you have mel Brooks sitting there. I'm Alec

710
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Baldwin and here's the thing. Take a listen to our

711
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: archive more unexpected conversations with artists, writers, policymakers and performers.

712
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: If I throw off on this table, is that a problem? Musicians?

713
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: We expect strange behavior from me? How long does this

714
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: go on? By the way, listen to as much as

715
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Speaker 1: you like at Here's the Thing, Dot Org. I'm Alec

716
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. He's a

717
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: television legend, but Dick Cavitt's also acted in movies and

718
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: on Broadway. Hosted a radio show and written several books.

719
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: His latest is a memoir called Talk Show Cave. Its

720
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: recollections of specific episodes and guests are incredibly candid and clear,

721
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: as if they happened yesterday. The bad the good was

722
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: of course always welcome, and I had no reason to

723
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: think that James Mason would be the first person I

724
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: ever had on the show in my daytime. Show was

725
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: so enchantingly charming, talking without any sense of putting on

726
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: the charm that I missed all signals to go to commercial.

727
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: And it was the first time that I broke through

728
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: reading my notes off to the guests, barely able to

729
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: hear what they were saying for reasons of nerves and

730
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: signals that I just missed over their shoulder, and oh

731
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: my god, someone led her to card and took it back,

732
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: and oh god, the guests lips have stopped moving. Um,

733
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Speaker 1: do you have any hobbies? The disappointing guests were writers.

734
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: Now I loved having writers on. I did Boys Dream

735
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: Some Boys Dreams, Uptake and cheever on the same show,

736
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Chievers Separately, Uptake, Separately, Saw Bellow. I had them. I

737
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: started to say, I had them all who didn't cut

738
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: it as a talk show. But the thing was that, Yeah,

739
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't believe that this semi articulate person having trouble

740
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: with vocabulary, seemingly and just outlandish, unbelievable things had written

741
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: that glorious prize winning prose that you read. Now. The

742
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: exceptions were, of course Manny and Truman Capodi questionably accurate

743
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: but entertaining yest at all times. You had Olivia on

744
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: the show, correct, Yes, it was a ninety minutes show

745
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: in London, and then I did him again in New York,

746
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: um in the Windham Hotel with with the Olivia Johan playwright.

747
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: So I got two with Olivier. Um, how was that? Well?

748
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: It was? It was fine. He what was so interesting?

749
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: That was fine? It was the opposite of bad, I

750
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: think was what I was drinking. You can't pick on

751
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: a guy's choice of words. I swore to God recently

752
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: that I would never say the word awesome in my life.

753
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: And if we could only make that true everyone in

754
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: the world, that would be swell. That can go along

755
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: with iconic and um closure and like of course and

756
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: a few others. Amazing. We all are saying amazing all

757
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: the time. Now I got five amazings and watching morning

758
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: television for about forty minutes the other day, Amazing guests,

759
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: amzing guests. We have just amazing script. It's just amazing.

760
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: I was amazed, but career amazes. But Olivia was terrific,

761
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: and he was such a clown afterwards, not on the air.

762
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: He could have done so more on the air and

763
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: it would have been wonderful. I think I was probably

764
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: a little too in awe. I didn't say awesome to

765
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: get all the fun out of him that I later

766
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: learned is in there. Who were the people today that

767
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: you sit there and say? God, If I was doing

768
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: it now, that seemed like it could be fun. I

769
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: almost wish you hadn't asked me that, because here's how

770
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: that thought occurred to me. I was on a radio

771
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: showed plugging the book of It was Mark Simon, and

772
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: he said this, you must get cabots DVDs. Uh, there's

773
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: one called Hollywood Grates and and may he may have said,

774
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: tell us who's on it? And I thought, put a

775
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: dirty trick. I won't be able to think of two

776
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: of them now. But I had it sitting there on

777
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: my messy table, and here's who's on it. It has

778
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: all of Katherine Hepburn, Betty Davis, Fredis Stare, Kirk Douglas,

779
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: Lucille Ball, Frank Capra. No Coward Cowardy isn't on that one, dammit.

780
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: That's the disciple went to Robert mitcham Orson Welles, John Houston,

781
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: and Marlon Brando, and I looked at this that I

782
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: mentioned Lucille Ball, and I thought two things. M A,

783
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: am I the only one in this cover of this

784
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: box who's alive? No Kirk Douglas is. But what I

785
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: really thought was who are their counterparts? Now? What list

786
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: of today's grades would include that many redwoods? Even in politics,

787
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: politics writing? Has there anybody authors? And I think we

788
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: live in an age of increasing mediocrity. So you don't

789
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: sit there and say, I would love to have had

790
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: Richard Holbrook on I'd love to have. Oh there are some,

791
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: There are plenty of people. Yeah, yes, Meryl Streep belongs

792
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: to anybody's list of grades soon and and and, but

793
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't think quite so many achieve. Maybe you can't

794
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: be big in the way those people were, These giant

795
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: people who are do they grow redwoods anymore? Do they

796
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: just grow with smaller sequoias or fines controversiis so yeah. Well,

797
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: the media is like a train, you know. I mean

798
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: it used to be a train was a glamorous, gleaming

799
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: thing that wasn't up. Now a train is a filthy yeah,

800
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: when you get in when you can't completely outside show business.

801
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, I marveled that Japan

802
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: had a two hundred mile an hour the Shinkansen bullet train,

803
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: and we still have the Long Island Railroad and I'm

804
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: fifty years older. Yeah, it's a great country, that wasn't it.

805
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Otherwise America it is. Yes, you um, you obviously have

806
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: had your difficulties and you've talked about it. No, No,

807
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: you're looking over yourself like that's somebody else. And I

808
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: know for me, when I was getting divorced and I

809
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: was in the the real native of the whole experience,

810
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: I felt horrible. Everybody gets down, everybody has the blues,

811
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: everybody suffers losses. You can not only have a bad game,

812
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: you can have a bad season. Yeah, but then when

813
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: do you decide that you need help from someone clinically?

814
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: Since memory is affected by depression, there are details like that.

815
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: They're not absolutely sure, but I know at one time

816
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: I knew was that when I boarded the concorde and

817
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: realized I'm not going to be this sick in another

818
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: country and got off and I called my shrink and

819
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: he said, well, you can either get on the next

820
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: plane or go to Colombia. And my staff was already

821
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: over there, and I just said I can't go away

822
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: feeling this horrible. A stewardess took one look at me

823
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: and said, you want to get off. I said yeah,

824
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean she saw whatever it was, it was clear,

825
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: he'll bring it. Me ask you this, Did you work

826
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: during any of this? Were you able to work? I

827
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: had to work. You had to work and work to

828
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: me a bit I can tell you quickie. That involves

829
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: two people we've already named. I was at the Brando

830
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: residence you might have just left one day and I

831
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: told him about taking a show with Olivier in the

832
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: Window hotel or PBS, and I said, I was so

833
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: depressed while doing it, and it's being Olivier made me

834
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: realize how depressed I was, because when I got to

835
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: the hotel and they took me to a room and

836
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: we were going to tape in the room up above,

837
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: I thought Laurence Olivier is one story above me, and

838
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn. I want to go home

839
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: and get under the rug. And there are some cue cards.

840
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: What do they say, I'll start it over again. How

841
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: can they be so cruel to get me out of

842
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: bed and to do this? And sitting there with the

843
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: Olivier's having read it Pumpter cue card introduction, the chat

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Speaker 1: started and I had some notes off him, but I thought,

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Speaker 1: this is awful. They're going to come over any moment

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Speaker 1: and say, Dick, it's all right, well send them home,

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Speaker 1: or we will send you home and their home. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll get them back on another day. This is obviously

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Speaker 1: not a good day for you. They thought, rushing through

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Speaker 1: my head was they can see I am nuts. My

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Speaker 1: brain is cracked. They can see it. I must be

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Speaker 1: taking twenty second pauses from when they speak until I do,

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Speaker 1: and I must be just hanging there with my head

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Speaker 1: a better. They praised my head a little. And Olivier

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Speaker 1: is quite quite smart enough in the psychology of performing

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Speaker 1: and so on to know that he's kind of ding

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Speaker 1: bad on his hands. And this is here. Yeah, Robin,

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Speaker 1: my my producer, will come over and say it's all right.

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Speaker 1: But I realized I had finished it, and I was

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Speaker 1: telling Brando that and he said, I said, how awful

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Speaker 1: was And he said to show. I said, oh god,

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Speaker 1: you're kidding. No, don't my favor. Come look at it.

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Speaker 1: Saffy year later? All right, well longer I was well then,

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Speaker 1: So I went home and looked at it and I

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Speaker 1: was fine, it's pauses. And I saw him again and

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Speaker 1: reported that to him. I said, how did you know

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Speaker 1: what is that? I didn't have hesitations. I came right in.

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Speaker 1: I looked interested, which I wasn't. My eyes were spark going,

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Speaker 1: which I were no reason. And I looked like I

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Speaker 1: was having the best time with the Olivier as anyone

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Speaker 1: could have with anybody. It's an automotic pilot. I've heard

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Speaker 1: the resort to it. A lot takes over. So had

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Speaker 1: I stayed at home that day and not taped the Olivier's,

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Speaker 1: I would have stayed in bed and could not. If

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Speaker 1: I had been taped there, I wouldn't have looked good.

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Speaker 1: But some part of us who are in the business

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Speaker 1: something won't let you, some crazy way be a total

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Speaker 1: mess while you're working. Well, there's two of us, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have two of those two sods. I saw it

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Speaker 1: with Judy Garland, who was I think on my show

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Speaker 1: for her last television appearance, the sixty eight daytime show.

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Speaker 1: ABC erased them all and used them to take the

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Speaker 1: let's make a deal. It might be there's somebody has

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Speaker 1: a bumpy home tape of that. She was so wonderful.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the tapes, but them I want to

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Speaker 1: get back to the you know, whenever you talk about

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Speaker 1: these tapes and you got the rights to the ABC,

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Speaker 1: there's several several versions of what really happened. I just

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Speaker 1: remember being told one day, Dick, they they're going to

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Speaker 1: either reuse the tapes or erase them or dump them.

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Speaker 1: Would you say, what tapes that once to the ABC

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Speaker 1: show and you can have them if you want to

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Speaker 1: for sixty dollars? And I thought, well, that's a ludicrous

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Speaker 1: amount of money and a guy on my staff unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: but he did it quite well. I went through them

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Speaker 1: and eliminated those he thought would never be of any

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Speaker 1: interest again, and it turned out some of them would

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Speaker 1: have been. But I have most all of them. Thank

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Speaker 1: god he didn't rely on you for that choice, because

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Speaker 1: you would have sent him, well, you can get rid

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Speaker 1: of the Olivier because I was Zons throughout the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the throw out that way, I was fine for the

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Speaker 1: first or they're able. When you talk about those ABC tapes,

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Speaker 1: I in my mind visualize the guys throwing the sled

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Speaker 1: on the fire, you know, burning. I see these guys

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Speaker 1: in the box of What are we supposed to do

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Speaker 1: with these tapes? Charlie, Yeah, somebody said, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: that's the Cabin show. I mean, what the hell is that?

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Speaker 1: Ray said, throw it in the fire. You're too reel,

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Speaker 1: you know. The Cent of Bitches erased most of Johnny

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Speaker 1: Carson's New York shows years of the number which I

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Speaker 1: was on. I'd love to see them. What's your relationship

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Speaker 1: to television now? Any of it? You watch any you like? So?

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Speaker 1: I don't associate television with entertainment very much. Umtal total

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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty degrees. When we got television in Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: I watched it every evening. I could tell you now, CBS,

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Speaker 1: NBC and ABC schedules for every night of the week.

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Speaker 1: Back then, I watched everything, and a lot of it

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Speaker 1: was good. I wasn't just watching crap. I watched Studio One,

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Speaker 1: I watched Robert Montgomery, Philco Theater, the Web, of course,

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Speaker 1: Gleason and Variety shows that Sammy Spear and his orchestra,

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Speaker 1: Les Brown and his band renowned. And now here's the

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Speaker 1: star of our show, Bobo Bad and I Got Goose Pimples.

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Speaker 1: Even now you can read Dick Cavits blog a word

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Speaker 1: he admits he had to look up before he started

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Speaker 1: writing one on the New York Times website. Here's the

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Speaker 1: Thing is produced by Emily Botine and Kathy Russo, with

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Speaker 1: support from Jim Briggs, Wendy door Ed Herbstman, Melanie Hoops

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Speaker 1: and Monica Hopkins. Thanks to Tray k lu Okowski and

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Speaker 1: Larry Josephson and the Radio Foundation. I'm Alec Baldwin, m