1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: Hi again everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The You Still Go one full 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: life addition as I chat one on one with Kevin Huber, 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: who held off a worthy challenger and Drew Chrisman to 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: return for his fourteenth season as the Bengals punter. Then 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Dave Lapham joins me to discuss a flurry of player 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: transactions in assembling the fifty three man roster, from cuts 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: to waiver claims to the possible signing a former first 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: round draft pick O J. Howard. The Bengals Booth Podcast 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: is presented by Ultimate Bengals. 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Are you ready for it? 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: It's going down a steep hill on a golf cart. 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that makes me very queasy, 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: especially if the cart path is slick. So kudos to 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: golf courses that have carts with governors on the engine 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: to limit speed, making those treacherous downhill drives slower and safer. 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: Long Part three's over water scare me enough. I don't 25 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: need an out of control golf cart to make it worse. Now, 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: let's get to my first guest, who happens to be 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: an avid golfer. Kevin Huber is the Bengals all time 28 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: leader in every significant punting category including punts, yards, gross average, 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: and net average is two hundred and seven games played, 30 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: is tied for the most in team history with the 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: great Ken Riley. Now, at age thirty seven, Kevin's about 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: to break that record after winning a training camp duel 33 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 1: with twenty five year old Drew Christman. I sat down 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: with Kevin on Wednesday to discuss the toughest training camp 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: battle of his fourteen years in Cincinnati. Were you nervous 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: at all waiting to get that phone call? Uh? Yeah, 37 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: there was, you know a bit of uncertainty. Um, just 38 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, being able to I've been around long enough 39 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: to know that you know, at some point, you know, 40 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna moved on from so and you know, I 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: think Drew has a lot of potential. I think he 42 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: kicked well this this training camp, and uh, you know, 43 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: I was kind of prepared either way. You know, if 44 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: if they had moved on, you know, I understood, but uh, 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, I do feel like I had, you know, 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: um down the stretch of better camp, and you know, 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: once game started coming on and the game weeks and 48 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: getting back in the group of it, I think I 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: I think I definitely did her my spot. So, um, 50 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: you know, there's still that uncertainty, I think, cause I 51 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: think George got a lot of a lot of talent, 52 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: a lot of potential, and um, so I think he 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: will be playing at some point. Um, and I think 54 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: we'll have a good career. Garon Simmons said, when he 55 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: called you, your reaction was okay, cool, I mean, pretty 56 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: pretty mellow reaction. Was that just the way that you felt? 57 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: Is that just your standard not too high, not too 58 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: low personality, That's just my standard. My uh, Actually, laying 59 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: in bed last night, my wife read that article and 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: she just started busting out laughing because, um, that's pretty 61 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: much my typical viewpoint on everything. I just, um, you know, 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: it benefits me a lot um in football, just because 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't let too many things get under my skin. 64 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: But uh, you know sometimes at home it h it's 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: not always the best h the best route to go. 66 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I think that's just like my my 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: typical attitude. It's just pretty calm to me. And you know, 68 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: there's obviously there's obviously excitement and some really at the 69 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: same time. But I think it just I never allowed 70 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: myself to show show the higher the low, so the okay, 71 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: cool came out. So there's also eight o'clock in the morning, 72 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: eight thirty and the more some of that. So I 73 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: was a little tired. Sometime in the last week or two, 74 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: you said if they elected to go with Drew, you 75 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: felt pretty confident that you would hook up with another 76 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: NFL team, considering that you played high school football here, 77 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: college football here, and now more than a decade in 78 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: the NFL here, is there any part of you that wonders, huh, 79 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: what would it be like to punt for fill in 80 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: the blank? Yeah, there's always that, you know, Um, there's 81 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: always that like wonder. Yeah, I've I've never left Cincinnati. UM. 82 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Fortunately I've never left, and but there's always you know, 83 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: what's it like? What? Um, you know, what is it 84 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: like for these guys that have to basically uproot their 85 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: lives and learn a new city? Um, you know, I 86 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: can't imagine it's an easy thing for them to do, 87 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: but I'm sure there's some of excitement with it, a 88 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: different excitement that I've experienced. UM. So yeah, there's definitely 89 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: that wonder of what it's like. But UM, you know, 90 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: I'm definitely happy to you know, on the other on 91 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: the flip side of that, not have to you know, 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: learn about that. So what's going to mean more to you? 93 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: Setting the Franchisees all time record for most games played? 94 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: You currently tied with Ken Riley for the all time record, 95 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: or staying ahead of Clark Harris, who is six games 96 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: behind you, hands down, stating other Clark, you know, I 97 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: can't let Clark, you know, take that crown for me. Um. No, 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be a pretty pretty cool day 99 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: next week to experience that and you know, be able 100 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: to you know, you know, break that record. Just be 101 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: hoble to stay in one place for so long in 102 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: this league, especially, Um, is a pretty pretty cool UM 103 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: milestone to reach, So I'm really looking forward to it. 104 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: Your first punt last week forty five yards, great hang time, 105 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: fair cought. Is that kind of the quintessential Kevin Huper 106 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: punt at this stage of your career. Yeah, UM, you know, 107 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: I know, the the new UM, the new you know 108 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: batch of punters coming out is really really strong, big 109 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: leg just crush it downfield, UM, and you know it's 110 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: it's all good and pretty too, you know to the 111 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: fan and UM to a lot of people. But I 112 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: think you know, going into a game knowing what you're 113 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: gonna get, knowing you know, you get those forty five, 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: forty six, forty seven, forty eight year puns, they're fair 115 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: cot um versus you you know, touchback that goes thirty 116 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: five UM. So kind of just knowing what you're gonna 117 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: get UM, I think probably played a big role in UM. 118 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: I would think it played a big role in decision 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: just to you know, because we have a pretty great 120 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: team and you know, it's it's a lot of times 121 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 1: you kind of play a little bit more conservative to um, 122 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: not put your team in a bad position, not expose 123 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: them to you know, a return or something that could 124 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: flip the momentum of the game. You know, there's nothing 125 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: wrong with a forty four forty five yard fair catch. 126 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: It's a you know, it's a you flip the field position. 127 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: There wasn't a return, there wasn't a block. That's a 128 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: fair catch, no return, no nothing, So I think, yeah, 129 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: that's probably you know, I'd be so happy to having 130 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: that every every single potty five forty six yard fair 131 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: catch and walk off the field. We've talked before about 132 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: how long you'd like to do this, and you said, hey, 133 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: forty years old would be a great target if if 134 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: I could pull that off. But beyond that, considering that 135 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: this team was less less than two minutes away from 136 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl last year, did that just add 137 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: to your desire to maintain this job and come back 138 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: with another chance potentially to get there again. Yeah. Absolutely, 139 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean just you know, being that close and seeing 140 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: what you know, moves were made this offseason too to 141 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: build on what we had last year. Um just kind 142 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: of you know, built the excitement and you know, definitely 143 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: fueled some fire to get back and try to run again. So, 144 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, getting a taste of it, and I wanted 145 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: to get back there again. Is definitely a big part 146 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: of it is Evan McPherson better than he was a 147 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: year ago. I would say, yeah, because he's got game experience. Now, 148 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: he's got the confidence, he knows, he knows what it takes. 149 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: He knows he played in the longest season ever. You know, 150 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: the rookie year for for all rookies is the longest year. 151 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: They get done with their season from college and they 152 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: go right into training to get ready to the Combine. 153 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: It's just a NonStop grind. And he did that in 154 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: his rookie year. What he did and accomplished, you know, 155 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: there's not much he can't do. So I think just 156 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: the confidence and experience that he gained, it's only gonna 157 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: make him better. And he needs to learn stadiums and 158 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: start learning wind patterns and stuff like that. So yeah, 159 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: he's he's going to be better than he was last year. 160 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: Get the sixty five yard or at the practice at 161 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: Pacour Stadium amaze you as much as it amazed the 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: rest of us, or no, at this point, Yeah, I mean, 163 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: I know kind of legy has, but just to see, 164 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, the height that it cleared by and the 165 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: distance that still hit the net behind the wall, which 166 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: is our fifteen yards find it. It's just pretty impressive. 167 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: So it's you know, I'd love to be a part 168 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: of that to see if we can get a chance 169 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: for him to you know, get the longest field goal 170 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: and you know, take that crown and be cool to 171 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: hold for that. But yeah, there's not much that kid 172 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: can't do. He's taken away a lot of punts for me, 173 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: which is nice. That's a very good point. Hey, congratulations 174 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: on winning the job and holding off a worthy competition. 175 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: Look forward to another great season from number ten. I 176 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you. Kevin was a fifth round draft 177 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: picked by the Bengals back in two thousand and nine, 178 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: number one forty two overall. Ten picks. Later, the Houston 179 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: Texans selected a tight end who is now in his 180 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: fourth year as a Bengals coach, James Casey. The Bengals 181 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: Booth podcast is presented by Ultimate Bengals. They're free to 182 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: play fantasy football game. This past season, Ultimate Bengals awarded 183 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: a weekly winner during the course of the year with tickets, 184 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: autograph merchandise, and money can't buy experiences all up for grabs. 185 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: Find Ultimate Bengals app store and Google Play as I 186 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: record this podcast, the bengals fifty three man roster is 187 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: still in flux. For example, backup quarterback Brandon Allen was 188 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: cut on Wednesday, leaving Joe Burrow as the only QB 189 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: on the roster. Allan's not going anywhere. The Bengals needed 190 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: space on the roster after claiming three players on waivers. 191 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: Allen is among the veterans who can resign after another 192 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: Bengals player goes on injured reserve. Then there's Oj Howard, 193 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: the first tight end selected in the two seventeen draft. 194 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: According to the NFL Network's Ian Rappaport, the twenty seven 195 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: year old former Tampa Bay buccaneer who was recently cut 196 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: by the Buffalo Bills, was expected to be in Cincinnati 197 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: on Wednesday night for a physical and could sign with 198 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals on Thursday. We'll know soon enough. In any case, 199 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: I discussed a wide variety of roster moves with my 200 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: broadcast partner of Lap them Well, Lap never a dull 201 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: moment at this time of the year. I'll be honest 202 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: with you, because the Bengals are so low in the 203 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: waiver claiming order thirty first after being the super Bowl 204 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: runner up. I didn't expect them to make significant waiver 205 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: claims after teams made their cuts. I was wrong. They 206 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: picked up three guys. Let's start with Max Sharping, because 207 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the name that fans are most 208 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: familiar with. He's been a starter for the Houston Texans 209 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: the last three years. He's an interior offensive lineman. He's 210 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: not coming in here to start, but that's certainly an 211 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: upgrade in terms of depth, no question about it. And 212 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,119 Speaker 1: he's a guy that has got some some veteran experience 213 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: at that position that I think they like. And honestly, 214 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: I bet they didn't think they were going to get 215 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: him at thirty one. I bet they were surprised. You know, 216 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Frank likes them. Frank's got a history with him a 217 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: little bit, so there's that part of it. And supposedly 218 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: he's a very intelligent player, so they feel like he 219 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: can come in and grasp the offense very very quickly 220 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: and be somebody that they could rely on to give 221 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: him some snaps. He's got that he's been there, done 222 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: that NFL experience. Why so, let's a heck of an 223 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: upgrade at this point. And I think they're really happy 224 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: that he was there, and they were excited to be 225 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: able to claim him former second round draft pick in 226 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and again three years of starting experience. I 227 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: haven't looked at PF grades or anything like that. I'm 228 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: guessing if the Texans let him go, his grades must 229 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: not have been off the charts. But nonetheless, like we said, 230 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: the Bengals are not expecting to plug him in as 231 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: the starting left guard or anything like that. They're trying 232 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: to get better in those backup spots. Yeah, and I think, 233 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, having a backup with experience like that, you 234 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: know that that's something that can help a young lineman 235 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: as well, like Folson, because Jack and Carmen as a 236 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, as a you know, a backup player doesn't 237 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: have all that much experience. Sharping is somebody that in 238 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: that room has the most experience of well other than 239 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: you know. On the other side, you have Kappa, who's 240 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: obviously played on a Super Bowl winning team. That's a 241 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: that's a much different dynamic. But you've got another guy 242 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: that the young players can can look to and lean 243 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: on and pick the brain of and and all that 244 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: sort of thing. So I think they're feeling like sharping 245 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: sharpens that entire offensive line room a little bit in 246 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: terms of the mental part of the game as well 247 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: as physical. Waiver claim number two, three hundred and five 248 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: pound interior defensive lineman j To Feele, drafted by the 249 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: Jaguars last year, played for the Jaguars last year. Now, 250 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: he apparently had some injury problems. He only appeared in 251 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: four games. As I turn off my ringing cell phone, 252 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: but that one kind of interested me because the Bengals 253 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: kept a lot of defensive linemen and it'll be interesting 254 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: to see what exactly they do to make room for 255 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: j to Fele. Yeah, but they only had four defensive 256 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: tackles in that in that mix, and they wanted to 257 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: go with five. So are they gonna go five and five? 258 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: You know, one less edge rush guy, the vulnerable spots. 259 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: As you look at the at the roster, the eleventh 260 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: defensive back, whoever that may be, is that Alan George, 261 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, the rookie college free agent who made the 262 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: first fifty three minion roster. And like we said, there's 263 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: going to be multiple fifty three min rosters here over 264 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: the next few days, and there's going to be practice 265 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: squad construction variances over the next few days, that sixteen 266 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: player practice squad list could look different from one day 267 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: to the next. I mean, that's just the nature of 268 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: the beast in the National Football League these days. And 269 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: then you'd have to think another spot of vulnerability would 270 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: be the fourth running back Trayon Williams potentially, you know, 271 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: makes it on the initial fifty three man roster, but 272 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: that's that's a luxury as a fourth running back as such. 273 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: So those are two spots potentially where if they have 274 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: to make moves, they're gonna they're gonna make some moves 275 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: with guys that are gonna go to IR. You know, 276 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: after they make the fifty three man roster, they put 277 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: them on IR. It's only a four game stretch that 278 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna miss. So you know, there's there's all kinds 279 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: of roster procedures to follow, and and and if you're 280 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: in the last five or six guys on any roster 281 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, or you're a practice squad guy, 282 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: you don't go to sleep and sleep soundly every night, 283 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. It can be in flux, 284 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: and that's what's going on here. But yeah, I think 285 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: they were looking for that fifth defensive tackle, and when 286 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: Shelton didn't work out, you know, they still were looking 287 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: and they like what they saw. Um in to fele 288 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: so big boy, plug up that interior. You know, all 289 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: the beef upfront, you can get waiver claim number three, 290 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: a tight end from New England, Devon ASSISI, former third 291 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: round draft pick. He's been with the Patriots the last 292 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: couple of years. Doesn't have a lot of catches at 293 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: the NFL level. It looks like he profiles more as 294 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: a blocking, inline type tight end. Yeah, but I guess 295 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: coach Casey probably watches as much tight end film or 296 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: more than anybody in the National Football League. And they 297 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: did see, you know, routes that were intriguing. You know 298 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: that he ran and uh and he had some some 299 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: potential in that regard and catching the football. But you're right, 300 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: I think, you know, you look at him as as 301 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: more of a physical hand in the dirt at the 302 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: end of the line of scrimmage. You know, inline blocker 303 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: could fill that role. So obviously, with what's going on, 304 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: if O. J. Howard, you know, makes his way to 305 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: Cincinnati this evening, like is being projected and they signed him, 306 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: and you know, they address they addressed the position again 307 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: with Asiasi. It's like they were really concerned about that 308 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: tight end position from a health standpoint. You know, could 309 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: they have enough healthy bodies to throw three of them 310 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: out on the football field that you might need during 311 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: the course of the game against Pittsburgh Steelers or other 312 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: games that on that schedule. So they had to do 313 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: a quick remake there. It looks like, well, let's talk 314 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: about OJ Howard. Sounds like the first step is to 315 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: make sure he could pass a physical. He had a 316 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: torn achilles a couple of years ago, the nineteenth pick 317 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: in the draft back in twenty nineteen. The Bengals really 318 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: liked him in that draft. I guess they took John 319 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Ross instead. That didn't work out so well. But he's 320 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: a guy had some success early in his career, but 321 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: always missed a few games every season. Then he had 322 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: the torn achilles two years ago. The Bills signed him 323 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: this past offseason. How how concerned should we be that 324 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: Buffalo did not hold on to him when they're guaranteeing 325 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: him a couple million dollars this year. That's that's a 326 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: that's a red flag. I mean, that's a warning sign. 327 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: And again I think, like you describe, the physical is everything. 328 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: It's all important and um, it's interesting around the National 329 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: Football League, you know there there are teams. I mean 330 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: this changes over the years with the doctors. They change 331 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: with these respect for franchises. But some guys would not 332 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: be able to pass the physical at one franchise and 333 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: they go to another and they pass the physical. So 334 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: it's it's going to be very very interesting to see 335 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: if he can pass the physical, if the Bengals doctors 336 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: are okay with what they see with that achilles and 337 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: other things that he's had problems with. They get basically 338 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: the X rays, they get the medical reports, and they 339 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: tug and pull and check on everything that they possibly 340 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: can and try to make as good a guests as 341 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: possible about the durability of the player. But that that 342 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: has been availability and durability, you know, two abilities you'd 343 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: like to have. O. J. Howards had had some struggles 344 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: with no question about it, because he does have you know, 345 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: when healthy, he does have talent and some skill sets. 346 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. Let's talk about the roster cuts. 347 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: I guess the closest battle appears to have been the 348 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: one at punter. Thirty seven year old Kevin Huber wins 349 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: the job. Twenty five year old Drew Chrisman on the 350 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: practice squad for now unless another NFL team comes calling. 351 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: Do you think that was as close as it appears. 352 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that was an agonizing call for Darren Simmons. 353 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: I think it was close. Yeah. I think he's vacillated 354 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: a little bit with it and it probably changed, you know, 355 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: from week to week a little bit. I think the 356 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: fact that Kevin Huber had good weeks of practice back 357 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: to back weeks and training camp was a big factor. 358 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: The one game he had a really good week of practice, 359 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: didn't punt at all, Chrisman got all the punts, and 360 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: then another good week of practice. They alternated, and it 361 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: is interesting that the strength of Chrisman you blast it, 362 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: and the strength of Huber directional kick and pin him 363 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: back in there. Those are the opportunities that cutting those 364 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: in the game. The way the rotation went, in the 365 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: way the field position dictated how your approach, you know, 366 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: your opportunity as a punter. It would have been very 367 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: intriguing to see if we had flipped the other way around, 368 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: if Chrispin could have responded like Kevin did in terms 369 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: of pinning people back. And then if Kevin could have 370 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: launched and maybe not a sixty five yarder, but launched 371 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: a good fifty plush yard punt to try to flip 372 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: field position. So I do think that, you know, I guess, 373 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: as the old saying goes, the devil you know is 374 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: better than one you don't. He's been around with Darren 375 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: Simmons for a long time. There's big trust there. We 376 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: talk about trust in these relationships between teammates and coaches 377 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: and coaches and players, and there's an immense amount of 378 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: trust there. And he's been part of a lot of 379 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: successes with the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's it's a good 380 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: football team. So you're almost hesitant to say, why disrupt 381 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: the apple cart, you know. I mean, it's not like 382 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: it was a knockout punch, and that's what I felt 383 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: had to happen. And Chrisman had to knock him out, 384 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: not not decision him, you know, he had to He 385 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: had to put him on the on the floor. And 386 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: I didn't think that that happened. So I'm not I'm 387 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: not surprised. It wouldn't have surprised me if they decided 388 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: to go the other way too. I mean, I think 389 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: it was that close, but I'm certainly not surprised that 390 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: they decided to stay status quo with the operation Clark 391 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Harris as the snapper, Kevin Huber as the holder, and 392 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: Money mac drill in the thing and then Harris and 393 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: Huber the h boys, you know, the operation there and 394 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: not bobbling a snap ever in any phase of it 395 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: in the operation, and Kevin Huber continuing to pin people 396 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: back and put them on long field. So I think, 397 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, like we talked about and he said, you know, 398 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: hopefully you're not never You're never backed up. You got 399 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Joe Borden, you get all these skilled players, and you're 400 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: not going to be backed up. And you know, it's like, okay, 401 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: I've never I haven't done a study. I never read 402 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: a study which are is pinning the opponent back inside 403 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: the twenty you get more opportunity. He's at that during 404 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: the course of a normal season, and you do having 405 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: to you know, flip bad field position. I think I 406 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: think Darren Simmons puts value in backing teams up and 407 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: having them make having them, you know, negotiate a big 408 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: field along field to try to get some points. You 409 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: mentioned Alan George earlier. Of the guys that at least 410 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: made the initial fifty three man roster, he would be 411 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: the most unlikely story, I would think, an undrafted free agent. 412 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: I looked him up in the Dane Brugler pre draft 413 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: guide The Beast. He was listed as the number eighty 414 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: four cornerback coming out of college last year. And I'm 415 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: not sure why. He ran a four foward eight four 416 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: four eight forty. That's not, you know, top ten draft 417 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: pick speed, but that's fast enough. He's got an eighty 418 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: and a half inch wingspan that was about as big 419 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: as anybody in the draft. He went to Vanderbilt, so 420 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: he's smart. I think he can play in the NFL. 421 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: What do you think he's shown it. I mean, he 422 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: thought he made really good decisions in terms of when 423 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: to break on the football. I thought his coverage was 424 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: very sticky. Thought he got his hands on footballs, he 425 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: had opportunities to make plays on footballs. I thought that 426 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: he just absolutely capitalized on every every snap opportunity that 427 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: he got. And sometimes, you know, guys fall through the cracks. 428 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: People miss on guys. There's no two ways about it. 429 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: And you got to credit the Bengals scouting department in 430 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: personnel department for saying, you know what, this guy's got 431 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: some traits that you have to have in terms of 432 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: the arm length and the body type and the intelligence 433 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: and football IQ and all those things that go along 434 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: with it. I mean, he's he's a very very bright 435 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: guy to talk to. There's no question about that. Very 436 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: mature kind of mature beyond his years. Married man. The player, 437 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: the coaches, and his teammates I think look at him 438 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: as like not your typical rookie in that regard. You know, 439 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: it seems like he's got some life experiences tucked under 440 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: his belt already. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see 441 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: if he's if he's still with that fifty three man 442 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: roster or he's going to have to suffer, you know, 443 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: going through waivers and being put on the practice squad 444 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: and all that sort of thing, you know, at this stage. 445 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: But I think his future is bright. I think that 446 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: he put enough good tape out there that, as they 447 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: do decide to eliminate him from the fifty three man roster, 448 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: now that somebody may pick him up. It's there's a 449 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: strong possibility there. I think teams around the league say, Okay, 450 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: this is a pretty good defensive football team. They have 451 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: a pretty good back end. Luna Rumo and company decided 452 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: to keep him. Let's take a let's let's look at 453 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: the tape again and make sure we didn't miss anything, 454 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: and it would not shock me if he gets grabbed 455 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: by somebody. Several of our fellow reporters on the Bengals 456 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: beat came out of the final preseason game thinking that 457 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: Jake Browning was pushing Brandon Allen for the backup quarterback spot. 458 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I never really saw it that way, 459 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: but there are certainly instances where I'm wrong about stuff 460 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: like that. Did you see it that way? Did you 461 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: think that there was a chance that Jake Brownie was 462 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: going to move up to the number two spot? I 463 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: think that that Jake Brownie took advantage of situations where 464 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of preseason football games there 465 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: are guys planned that aren't necessarily being encountered on to 466 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: be big contributors during the course of the season. But 467 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: then he's playing with guys in the same category, so 468 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, he put those guys on his shoulder. 469 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: On his back and said, I'm going to take you 470 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: to a high level of execution and performance, and everybody 471 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: fed off of that. You had, you know, guys that 472 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: are going to be potential practice squad receivers didn't make 473 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: the fifty three men roster, but you know, young receivers 474 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: took advantage. And one of the young receivers is now 475 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: down in Jacksonville, so you know he get claimed and 476 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: put on a fifty three man roster. So it's you know, 477 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a situation where I don't think 478 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: they were fortunate and Brandon Allen didn't do anything to 479 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: lose the spot that he had. Jake Browning maybe pushed 480 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: it a little bit, competed with him, but it's almost 481 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: like the Kevin Huber Chrispin thing did. Was there a knockout? 482 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think, you know, you don't make 483 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: a move like that on a split decision. And I 484 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: do think that the relationship between Joe Burrow and h 485 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: and Brandon Allen as a factor as well. I mean, 486 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: I think that Joe Burrow respects Brandon Allen's opinion, respects 487 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: how Brandon Allen sees things and all that that goes 488 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: along with it in that quarterback room. And I know 489 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: that the relationship that Brandon Allen has was Zach Taylor, 490 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: and you know Dan Pitcher his position coach, and Brian Callahan. 491 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: All those factors are are real. So I didn't see 492 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: it as he was competing with them, for sure, But 493 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: I didn't see Brandon Allen in tremendous danger by any 494 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: structuring the imagination the offensive line is set. Zach Taylor 495 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: officially said that Cordell Wilson will be the starting left guard. 496 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: Those guys practice together last week and those joint practices 497 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: against the Rams. So if you take last week, this week, 498 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: and next week, they'll have about three weeks together as 499 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: a starting offensive line. That a good amount of time 500 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: to develop chemistry and communication and the things that make 501 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: that fist that you often talk about. Yeah, you know 502 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: it's it's when you look at it and you think, 503 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: here's a team that was within a whisker winning the 504 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and eighty percent of their offensive lines different 505 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: than the one that played in that Super Bowl, four 506 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: different starters. The only consistent dimension is having Jonah Williams 507 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: at the left tackle position. That's that's pretty unbelievable. Really, 508 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: I do think those RAMS practices were critical. I think 509 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: that they're going to work together as a unit more 510 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: now in the next couple of weeks. They haven't really 511 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: particularly LC. I mean, Collins hasn't been able to get 512 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: many reps in many snaps because of that back usure 513 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: that he was dealing with. I think that he's going 514 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: to have to, you know, push that a little bit. 515 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to see if he can go and 516 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: if they can count on him to go. So I 517 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: do think you have to It's not going to be 518 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: live or at the speed that it was against the 519 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Rams in a lot of situations. But one on one 520 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: pass rush is one on one pass rush that is 521 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: full go. And then the stunts that you do in 522 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: that you know, t eet, twist, tackle, tackle, twist, the 523 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: whole nine yards. I would like to see a blitz 524 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: period or two where it's the entire front seven because 525 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, you pick up the 526 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: twists and stunts to the line of scrimmage, but then 527 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: when you have to get your eyes to the next 528 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: level and here comes a linebacker downhill and he's involved 529 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: with a twist and he's scrape, and you've got to 530 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: make sure that everybody's on the same page recognizing the 531 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: same things. It's almost like almost like a quarterback receiver, 532 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: they see things through the same eyes. Everybody in the 533 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: offensive line has to see everything through the same eyes. 534 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: And with the experience that these guys have, and I'm 535 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: talking about reps and snaps at a high level, you know, 536 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: super Bowl game winners, in playoff participants, they've they've they've 537 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: seen it now they just need to see it together 538 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: and again see it through the same eyes. Make sure 539 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: that that there they feel comfortable with when I set 540 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: I'm on the exact level I need to be at 541 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: with respect my guard, when they're twists and stunt's taken 542 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: place and all those little fine tuning things. I think 543 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: they're going to be fine. But I do think I 544 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: do think that they're going to be better towards the 545 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: end of September than there at the beginning of September. 546 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: It'll probably take a little while to get rhythm and 547 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: timing down and all that in the comfort level, but 548 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: I think they've mentally, they've been at it for a 549 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: while in terms of recognizing, communicating, and trying to get 550 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: seeing things through the same eyes like I was talking about. 551 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: But then those physical reps are important. Dan, there's no 552 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: substitute for him. In that second practice against the Rams, 553 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: LC had some trouble with Leonard Floyd. Leonard Floyd as 554 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: a fine player. I'm not referring to the three fights 555 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: that they got into, but just the matchup against Leonard Floyd. 556 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: Do you find that concerning considering how little ELC practiced. 557 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: I think I think that he went against a high 558 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: caliber guy with very little time to prepare, you know, 559 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: and knocking the dustin rustoff is one thing. Knocking dustin 560 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: rustoff against a guy who's one of the one of 561 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: the best edge rush guys available in the National Football League, 562 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: it's a challenge. So I think I think that that 563 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: was an eye opener um. And I do think that 564 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: Um that his muscle memory, everything is going to come 565 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: back pretty darn quickly, every every every part of his 566 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: game that make him the great player that he is. 567 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: I think it's it's gonna hopefully it's for the Pittsburgh Steelers, 568 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: because you know, you look at what they provide on 569 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: the edge of your kid me. TJ. Watt tied the 570 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: record twenty two sacks or twenty two and a half 571 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: whatever it was last year, that that group can rush 572 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: the pastor I mean five straight years they've led the 573 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: NFL and sacks. It's nuts. They had fifty sacks last year. 574 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: So we know Ogan Joebi, we know Cam Hayward, TJ. 575 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: Watt if totally healthy, he had that strain of his MCL, 576 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: but it looks like he's going to be able to 577 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: make the dance and be a pretty good dancer. So 578 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: the offensive line has a challenge, There's no two ways 579 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: about it. It's going to be a very very big 580 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: key in this football game. That veteran group that they 581 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: signed in free agency and then the rookie to compliment 582 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: them that they that's what they wanted to do. Let's 583 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: go repare the offensive line hit it with three pretty 584 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: darned good veteran players and drafted rookie who shows that 585 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: he's ready, maybe even a little earlier than they thought. 586 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: Going to get hester ruddy gay right away against division 587 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: rival Pittsburgh. It's not going to be an easy chore, 588 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Last thing. Hopefully those five offensive linemen 589 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: will gel and they'll be terrific, and the Bengals will 590 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: have an above average offensive line this year, but chances 591 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: are they won't all start all seventeen games. Guys go down. 592 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: Things happen during the course of the season. Of the 593 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: backups Carmen Hill, Identagy Smith, Prince now Sharping being added 594 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: to the mixed, Who do you feel best about? Yeah, Sharping, 595 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, going to really take a look at I mean, 596 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: obviously though, he was highly regarded coming out of college 597 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: and was a starter in the National Football League for 598 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: three seasons, so he's got some pelts on the wall, 599 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: there's no question about that. But I think the guy 600 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: that's probably been the most consistent as Trey Hill, you know, 601 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: in terms of if Ted Carriss were to go down, 602 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, what would you do. I think Trey Hill 603 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: has shown steady progress. I think he's gotten better. I 604 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: think he's been very consistent with his efforts during during 605 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: a training camp. You know, I think idenergy has gotten 606 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: better as camp has gone on as well. But Trey Hill, 607 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: I think, is like you know what what, probably pretty 608 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: well against the Giants and then followed it up with 609 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: pretty good work in practice against the Rams and during 610 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: the game against the Rams. So I feel pretty good 611 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: about him. Being able to, you know, to play really 612 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: any three of the interior positions if need be in 613 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: a pinch. Really, all right, You've got your last weekend 614 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: off for a long time coming up this Saturday and Sunday. 615 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: Hopefully there's some good grandchildren time planned. Yes, we do 616 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: have some good grandchildren time. We've got my granddaughter turned 617 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: nine years old this week, so we're having a big 618 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: birthday celebration for her on Saturday on this weekend and 619 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: roller skating and then all kinds of stuff and Labor 620 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: Day fireworks since it's going to be a big Wallala loser. 621 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, I get some of that done. And man, 622 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: you rest up to you talk about my schedule. My goodness, 623 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: I remember what it was like double duty man with 624 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: college football in the NFL. It's the best. But I 625 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: remember being sleep deprived a few times and thinking, oh, 626 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: my goodness, I would just I'd give a lot, just 627 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: for two more hours. And you don't even drink coffee. 628 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how you did it. I don't I 629 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: don't drink coffee. No, it was, it was, It was interesting. 630 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: And then for about a seven year stretch, I was 631 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: doing high school games on Friday, and then doing a 632 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: college games Saturday and an NFL game Sunday? What was 633 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: I thinking? What was I thinking? I assumed they all paid. Yeah, 634 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: but the prep, I mean the prep was like, okay, well, 635 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: now the high school was the hardest prep because there's 636 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: a hundred kids. You know. It's like, man, that was 637 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: that was not a very smart commitment because you just 638 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: can't do it. It's almost impossible to do it the 639 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: way you want to do it, doing it right, you know, 640 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: and it's like, ah am, I giving everything the attention 641 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: I need to get it. So you you impressed me? Dan? 642 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: You are are you have? You're so organized, you have 643 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: a download science, your prep is impeccable, and you're the best. 644 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: You get it done. You're a pros pro. Thanks buddy. 645 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have fun in Fanville, Arkansas and Saturday. I 646 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: can tell you that Suee Pick're gonna be I remember 647 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: when Texas, Arkansas We're out out to dinner and all 648 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: these Arkansas fans, I mean, every bite they're taking to 649 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: Suee Pig, It's like, what the heck is this? Man? 650 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: College football is the best though, It's great, isn't it. 651 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: I am definitely looking forward to calling Saturday's game between 652 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: twenty third ranks Cincinnati and number nineteen Arkansas. I also 653 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: got a great Friday night restaurant recommendation from former razorback 654 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: star Brandon Allen. That's going to do it. For this 655 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: episode of The Bengals Booth Podcast, presented by Ultimate Bengals. 656 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: Download Ultimate Bengals ahead of the twenty twenty two season. 657 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: It's free to play next level fantasy football with fantastic 658 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: Bengals prizes. Get it now on the App Store and 659 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: Google Play. And if you haven't done so already, please 660 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: subscribe to this podcast and if you have a minute, 661 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: give it a rating or share a comment. Matt helps 662 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 1: more Bengals fans find us. I'm Dan Horde and thanks 663 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: for listening to The Bengals Booth Podcast