1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: back to another special edition of All the Smoke. State 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: of the Vote. We have special guests today. Coach David Fizdale, 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. JB. Bickerstaffies, good to be here. 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: And then we got a man Ray over here who's 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: a political strategist who is going to kind of keep 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: us on tone and tune and focus when we touch 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: in on the political realm, in the voting realm. They're 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: great coaches to the world, but there are homies there. 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: You go for a long time, A yeah, we go back. 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: I've been doing far for long est time. And then 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the fears and all my people, uh, Gilanny and all damn. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, we got some some long runs. But anyway, 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: how's COVID been eating you guys? I know you got kids, 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: I know you got you got one on the way 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: that was the house COVID coress on that too. Yeah, 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: it's been good. It's been I mean, you shouldn't say good, 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: but interesting. You know, a lot of changes in life. 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: But we're talking before low key blessing. This is the 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: most time I spent with my kids since they've been born, 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: so you know, a lot of soccer tournaments, packing up 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: the truck, you know what I mean. Right, It's just 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: you know, we've been able to find a blessing in 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: it through the hard times. Obviously, you know, we've been 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: through some difficult times, uh, with friends and family passing, 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, through all that, um, but trying to find 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: the bright side of all this the best way we 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: can to help the kids get through it too. Yeah, 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: it's been great for us because obviously with the baby 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: on the way, you know, we can fortify the house 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: and get everything situated. And uh, you know, it's been 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: great just for us in general, spending time together because 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: as a coach, you're gone, it's just and even when 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: you're home, you're halfway gone. So to lead us present 36 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: at this time with my wife and my son on 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: the way, you know, it's been great. But the other 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: part about it, and again, like you said, you don't 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: want to put you know, listick on the pig, but 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, with what's going on 41 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: in our country, to be able to focus in on 42 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: it and put the amount of energy that I can 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: put into it, Uh, that part's mental blessing for me, 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: because you know, when word and the thralls of it, 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: it's just hard to really participate. Right now, we got 46 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity in the time to to really focus our 47 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: energy on making a real change in this stuff. And 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: I would say to it, if it wasn't for the pandemic, 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: who knows where if this message would ever been really 50 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: perceived as it finally was now. Obviously Jack has been 51 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: on the front line with it um from the beginning. 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Like I said, I think it this pandemic forced us 53 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: to all to sit down and really look in the 54 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: mirror and look to see what was going on. And 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: and and I feel like the what we've known for 56 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: over four hund years, it's funny, we're just had for 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 1: enough people to at least have an understanding if there's 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: a really there's some real issues going on here. Ray 59 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: with election day around the corner, voting rights, voting issues, 60 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: voter suppression is still something very big that's playing this country. 61 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: What are some things that people can do to I 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: guess maneuver those kind of things that are against him. Yeah, 63 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think especially with COVID, one of the 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: things that I mean since the civil rights movement, we've 65 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: been we've been able to get out in the streets, 66 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: and I think that's been difficult clearly from Jump Street, 67 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: I mean Staxman out clearly given given amplification to what's 68 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: going on, making sure that he's in the streets, making 69 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: sure that he's working with organizations on the ground. And 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: I think that's really the key, right, Like voter suppression 71 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: is a multimillion dollar campaign in order to get you 72 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: to stop your vote, and I actually think it's having 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: an adverse effect on black men because even black men 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: who are not necessarily thrilled about their choices, the cycle 75 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: was like, you're not gonna stop me from voting. And 76 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I think that's the motivating factor specifically for black men 77 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: in the cycle. And so if you are, um, maybe 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: not I love what your choices are, I think what 79 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: you can't do is just let them take your vote 80 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: from you. And one of the things that we're seeing 81 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: is like and it's it's it's sort of painful to 82 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: watch specific if somebody who's worked in politics and and 83 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: started off in the field working local organizations to see 84 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: black men starting to repair it some talking points and 85 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: kind of giving their giving their voice away. But I 86 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: will say I understand it right, Like the system is 87 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: not working, it has not worked, and now you're asking 88 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: the people who it has not worked for to participating. 89 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: And so that's what's tough about messaging in this moment. 90 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: But to directly answer your question, I mean, I think 91 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: I think you know you got another week to go 92 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: in the elections. I think it's about showing up and 93 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: telling people who care. It's not it's not about candidates. 94 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: It's about what we do post November. And I think 95 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: that has to be the message. Um. Candidates is just 96 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: a vehicle to get you where you want to go. 97 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what we need to start. Keep talking 98 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: to you, kind of talking to me because, like you know, 99 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: because like it's it's just hard for me, especially you know, 100 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: seeing my brother passed and then you know, being in 101 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: the streets and saying how many people need I've never 102 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 1: seen a vote immediately affects someone's doorstep, their immediate life. 103 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm that with it, you know what 104 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Because I see my people need and nothing 105 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: has changed all this time with the vote. So I'm 106 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: at the point now where I'm not gonna be the 107 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: same person doing the same thing. That's why I'm spending 108 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: my own money in my own time to get out 109 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: there helping out people ourselves. So I think you are right, 110 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: But at some point we gotta get to point we're 111 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: taking care of ourselves for anybody else to take us serious. 112 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: And that's just why I mean, because it's hard for 113 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: me to see that I'm asking for something when I 114 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: know what's never came before. You know what I mean, 115 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: I agree with that, which is why we talk about 116 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: elections like they happened every four years. The hard work 117 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: is holding accountable the people that you got into office, 118 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: Like you don't have to love them, their vehicles to 119 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: get you where you want to go. And so if 120 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: you want to pro black agenda, if you want to 121 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: make sure that we're study and then pass out, not 122 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: even pass out, that we give black Americans um reparations 123 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: for the money that was stolen from our ancestors bodies, 124 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: like that's on the table. And so I I hear you. 125 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: I think we need to start talking about elections UM 126 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: as just step one. And I think it's been sold 127 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: to us like finish, It's not gonna happen. They're gonna 128 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna go home. Why the starting point can be 129 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: a black man and white. Every race has an imprint 130 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: on how the system is ran, but everybody. That's that's 131 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: when we're gonna have complete change. Freedom is not giving 132 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: you two people to choose from and saying you free. 133 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: No freedom is meet picking who I want to be president. 134 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: So until every race has a fingerprint on how this 135 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: country is ran, we're gonna be in this situation. And 136 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: that's what we need to start. We need to start 137 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: there at the at the immediate answer, changing this system, 138 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: getting the whole new constitution, that's where we need to start. 139 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: Jack on that too. It's like if we don't participate, though, 140 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: we'll never get there. Understand that's the That's the thing 141 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: that you know we keep trying to push forward is 142 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: like everybody shows up every four years and they think 143 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: that's all that matters. But you missed the representativetives, you 144 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: missed the midterms, and those are the people who can help. 145 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: You know, people talk about, you know, what Obama did 146 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: or didn't do, but he was a Senate who basically said, 147 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: our job is to not get you reelected, so we're 148 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: not going to help you pass anything. That's gonna help 149 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: the entire country. Right, we miss out on voting for 150 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: state representatives because we don't pay attention to that. We 151 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: see whatever's happening nationwide, we focus there. But the people 152 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: that focus and help you in your state, like there's 153 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: somebody's running who cares about the exact messages that you're pushing, 154 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: we don't show up and voting us. And I think 155 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: that's where we have to do a better job of 156 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: pushing that message that we gotta you know, we gotta 157 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: battle locally just as much as we do nationally. That's 158 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: are big that that's my big push too, because if 159 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: you got to think about it, a lot never meant 160 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: to even have a voice or footing in this space. 161 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: So if you if we're taking on this process, you know, 162 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: I have aspirations to be in politics one day. But 163 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: it's a lot to swallow. I mean, people do this 164 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: ship seven three six and still don't get the ship right. 165 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: So they're looking at former athletes and coaches and other 166 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: people to like magically change some It's gonna take all 167 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: of us first and foremost. But I think it's you 168 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: take stuff and bite sized pieces, you know what I mean. 169 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: The local and state. Obviously, that's where you can see 170 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: some immediate return. You know what I mean, you you 171 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: it's small as potholes are more funding for my school 172 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: or stuff for housing or Prop sixteen in California with 173 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 1: you know, equal footing for women and people of color. 174 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: There's things that you can directly vote on your local 175 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: and state level that you can see a media return. 176 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: But I think when we say vote, people are thinking, okay, 177 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: just the president. And then when we tell people to vote, 178 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: when you get there, there's so many motherfucking choices. It's 179 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: like it's almost like you really have to do your 180 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: homework when you go. Because telling people to vote is great, 181 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: they get there and they're overwhelmed, and I think too. 182 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: But what you said, was it really important? Is that 183 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: it's not just the vote. Can we get representation that 184 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: reflects us in the seats that make them desist because 185 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm you know, Jack, I'm one, and that we need 186 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: a system overhaul the eyes of us pulling that off. 187 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: But it can we take this basically the framework of 188 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: the system they've put in front of us to not succeed, 189 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: and turn it back on by getting people were involved 190 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: and in the seats that make the decisions about our community, 191 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: about our lives, and the more we can do that 192 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: by doing that, I think what we get is we 193 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: get a lot of other people going with us. I 194 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: think sometimes when we talk about system and you saw 195 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: what defunded police scared the hell out of people. It 196 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: didn't mean that, it didn't mean anything. But if we 197 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't put a clear cut you have doing it with 198 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: the system, They're said, they're trying to turn that into 199 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: a talking point that we're trying to take over this. 200 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: We don't want cops. We want to do with this. 201 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: We want equity. So yeah, and we won't take what 202 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: you put in front of us and turn it into something. 203 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: But the same way, like we were talking outside, is 204 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: that here we are as five black men, and you 205 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: think about the roadblocks that's been put in front of 206 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: our people through slavery, Jim craw the world, drugs, and 207 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: look at us right now where we are. Could you 208 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: imagine look at what we've done with it. I mean, 209 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: we're talking about George Floyd's name is being said all 210 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: over the world right now. What would we do if 211 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: we actually have somewhat close to a level playing field 212 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: with our community and what we're what we were shown, 213 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: what we're capable of. If we get equity, forget about it. 214 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: And that's the fear, that's the fear. We're giving that 215 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: power away, you know what I mean? Who want who 216 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: really at the end of the day, keep real, who 217 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: wants to give that, especially that kind of power away. 218 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: They've they've been they've they've flipped it. See, they we've 219 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: turned into the monster. Somehow we didn't slave ourselves. We 220 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: weren't lynching ourselves. We weren't whipping ourselves, meeting people in 221 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: the street, watching cameras as people die. We're not doing that, triselves. 222 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: But somehow they've turned us into the monster. So if 223 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: we give them this, if you give up system in 224 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: our power, what will they do in retaliation? Right? We 225 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: just want to have the same playing ground. It ain't 226 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: about payback this if you go back to Nelson Mandela. 227 00:10:53,880 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela's whole deal was everybody the one the young 228 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: ladies said when she went on her ranch. She said, 229 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: if we was asking for revenge instead of equity or equality, 230 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: hold a different ball game. And so you know that's 231 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: where we're at right now. And I think that to 232 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: agree with everybody you gotta cash your ballot. You can't 233 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: be on the sideline this time, because if you can't 234 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: see what's happening right now, there's resurgence, just blatant, out 235 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: in the open, white supremacy, like they didn't even hide 236 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: it out, like this is our country, this is how 237 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna go. We're gonna break every rule to make 238 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: sure it's still longer. You can't see that, then I 239 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: feel sorry for you, and we can't tell you nothing 240 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: that's gonna help you. And ask your question, though, so 241 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: what do you say to the people that say, well, 242 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: if we have proof that buying in comalage the more racist, 243 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: more racist ship than black too, black men, than Trump, 244 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: what do you say they do? People? They have done 245 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: things that have devastated our community. But I want the 246 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: kind of person that's willing to own it and at 247 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: least say, hey, we know we're screwed up back then, 248 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: and we're willing to fix it. You know, what people's 249 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: intentions can be in a certain scumstances and what the 250 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: result can be often can be two different things. At 251 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: that time, you had nonpartisan agreement on this crime bill 252 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: that we needed to do something in our streets now 253 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: as black people being hit by black people because of 254 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: the crack epidemic. You know, we're in the middle of it. 255 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? Do we want less violence? 256 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: Do we want our brother really to go to drill 257 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: jail when he's selling crime just to make ends meet? 258 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: Like we're caught in that conundrum of the crime bill. 259 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: But all I want from leadership and people that have 260 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: made these decisions on our lives before is can you 261 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: just take a step back and on it, yeah, and 262 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: say we screwed up. That's the beginning of trust. That's 263 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: the beginning of moving forward. To understand why before you 264 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: just incriminate us and put us on this side, understand 265 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: why it's like it. Yes, you put us in a 266 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: situation where we're fighting over what's left right, right, and 267 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: so this is what happened for crumbs. And now you 268 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: throw a Latin that's meeting in there, and tennis women 269 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: and now it's just everybody's fighting for these crimes. And 270 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: you say, well, look at them, they're animals, they're killing 271 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: each other. Well, this is what you've given us to 272 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: work with. That's right there in itself. We have to 273 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: really attack that whole narrative. We got to put that 274 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: on his head and spend it and show people that 275 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: if we can get to that place where we get 276 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: a seat at the table, good things is gonna happen 277 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: for us moving forward. It's not gonna be consistent because 278 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: we already had a black president, right, don't mean it's 279 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: guaranteed and it's not gonna happen over. People have gonna staying. 280 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: This ship was built over four hundred plus years of bullshit, 281 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So the change, the change 282 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: we fight for now, everything we're doing in our kids 283 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: are going to reap these benefits. Their kids are going 284 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: to reap these busfits. So right now we're sacrificing just 285 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: like the people that came before us, but we actually 286 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: have some real footing and more technology to be able 287 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: to have our voices heard and seen around the world now. 288 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: So that so the energy is definitely different. Educating me 289 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: on some stuff today though, that's what we're here. Brother, 290 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: you know I'm looking for you, I know, I know, 291 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: I know. We need to look up my people, look 292 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: up the word delegates because they have a lot to do. 293 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: Who who presidents? Well and go yeah and go there 294 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: you go this is. And that's why I like this 295 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: is because this isn't about me knowing everything of him 296 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: knowing little. We're figuring it out with the people. We're 297 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: trying to get to it, and we end the fight 298 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: with them. You know, we ain't above them just because 299 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: we've gotten some good things. We in the fight trying 300 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: to figure we're learning like everyone else. And when we say, 301 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, with the situation in the bubble or first 302 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: we were told to shut up and dribble, and then 303 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're looking, we're looked to too, 304 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: what's basketball doing? What's basketball gonna do? What you just 305 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: told us to shut the funk up and dribbles? But 306 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: now you want us to to to make some kind 307 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: of movement or do something that's gonna abolish racism or 308 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: make cops stop killing us because the color of our 309 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: skin like it's gonna take. We're more than willing to 310 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: take on that with you guys, But it's gonna take 311 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: all of us. It's not just going to be basketball, football, 312 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: and professional sports. It's gonna take everybody to change it 313 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: because to begin with, none of us created this ship. 314 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: It's gonna take white men and white women the people 315 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: that build it, who actually got a con sense and 316 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: know that that's screwed up to jump on board and 317 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: help and that Howard grab that is that we're watching 318 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: take place, and just how they're hold known to it 319 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and they'll do anything. Look at the suppression acts, I mean, 320 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't ever seen anything like that. I 321 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: mean closing stations hours and hours to vote they're doing. 322 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: Their purging is to use it or lose its state. Right, 323 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: they can decide it's a Republican run state now, and 324 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: they can decide you know how they purge votes. If 325 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: you don't vote too and back to back elections, they 326 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: can purge your vote. Right. They're taking polling stations of 327 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: the black community is impacted by the amount of polling 328 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: stations that they have being limited. There's one box per 329 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: county now, so there's counties with eight hundred thousand people, right, 330 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: but there's only one drop box. And you can think 331 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: about being in Texas there's four million people. I mean, 332 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. You had the governor there were fourteen 333 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: drop boxes in Houston and two weeks before election, he 334 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: said they can only be one drop box in Houston. 335 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: It's insane. It's millions that don't make sense sense and 336 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's some things outside of that that 337 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: people can do that are that they're gonna be able 338 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: to see this show to combat that right there. So 339 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: i've him on the show with athletes. I think from 340 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: from athletes, I think it's recognizing your power, especially in 341 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: the state that you're from, and one of the things 342 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: I want to encourage. It's been such a pleasure to 343 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: work with Coach Bickerstaff and Coach Fitzdale because they're owning 344 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: their piece of the pot, right, and so one of 345 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: the things we get obsessed with sometimes is the sort 346 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: of national approach to politics. But what coach is doing 347 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: in Ohio only he can do bit by bit by 348 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: bit stack when he was traveling, Like that's how you 349 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: have to do it, and you have to partner with 350 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: a local organization or political operatives and make that point too, 351 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: because like I said, I hate when I hear there's 352 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: three million going from the owners and in Jordan has 353 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: donut but to me, like I hate because first of all, 354 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: there's never transparency where the money is going, and they 355 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: just want to throw the big names and the big 356 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: names that they aren't doing what needs to be done. 357 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: I think they need to be able to align with 358 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: the local liaison or someone that has the heart beat 359 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: of that city, because what he needs in Texas is 360 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: different from what I need is Sacramento, from what different 361 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: from what he needs in Ohio. But you can't blanketly 362 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: say Okay, we're giving it to this big organization because 363 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: their nationwide. That doesn't mean and they've never been in 364 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: that community. They don't know nobody in that community, or 365 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: anohing and and and this is gonna I don't want 366 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: this to sound or come off wrong, But the easiest 367 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: thing to do is throw money at something. When you 368 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of money, the easiest thing to 369 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: do is throw money, don't care what happens. But the 370 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: hardest thing to do is actually get on the rood 371 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: time and walk the walk right and fight the fight 372 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: like that's difficult, that's time consuming. That shows you care. Well. 373 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: One thing Jack did, I mean the one thing that 374 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: I thought was interesting when Jack talked about making his 375 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: move around, it was every color of the rainbow out 376 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: there too. So this is everyone together, That's what I'm saying. 377 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna take. And the cool part of 378 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: what we're doing with the Coaches Association. I know you 379 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: so I saw the stuff we came out with when 380 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: we spoke up. Our whole thing right now is getting 381 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: involved with grassroots programs and the start of it goes 382 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: back to what we talked about. First. We were on 383 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: a truth and reconciliation tour. Can you reconcile with what 384 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: has happened in your city and state when it comes 385 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: to civil rights? African American, Hispanics, whoever? Can we just 386 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: get out on the table that this you did, this, 387 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: this happened. You know, we're bringing families to the games 388 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: that had people killed by the police to recognize and 389 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: put their name out there that we have to say 390 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: this isn't right. And once we can get to that 391 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: place where we make that reconciliation now all the coaches, 392 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: what we did is we started pushing it to vote 393 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: and we're just diving into the truth centerm tell people 394 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: the truth what's going on. Don't let the missipim because 395 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: they're telling the people to go vote in the wrong place. 396 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: They're telling people balot certainly, but you saw the California 397 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: here they put out those ballot boxes. I mean it's like, 398 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: so that's all we're focused on right now is truth 399 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: and reconciliation, and we feel like that's the way we 400 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: can utilize our platform one best to impact was and 401 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: they count on the fact that you know, these tricks 402 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: and this suppression is just gonna discourage up enough people 403 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: just to say fuck it. That's and that's what they 404 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: he said it earlier. I think, like, to me, it's motivated. 405 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: The one thing did encourage me more than anything I 406 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: can ever recall was the first time my brother was 407 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: Obama uh first election. But even when that happened, although 408 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: we had a lot of energy, I've never seen so 409 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: many public figures with platforms talk about the way it's 410 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: been talked about. You know, since Kobe passed, it's been 411 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: a downward spiral of just negative events happened after negative events, 412 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: and that you know, the culmination of you know, it 413 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: was when Jack's brother got killed. So I've never, like 414 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: I said that, the one thing that gives me encouragement, 415 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: the one thing that gives me chills when I think 416 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: about it's just like there's so many people out here 417 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: using the bigger, small platforms, using their voice because the 418 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: size of what's what's the point having a big gas 419 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: platform if you don't use it the right way. So 420 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't matter the size of your platform 421 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: as long as you're you know, you're you're educated on 422 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Talk because you know you can 423 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: change it. If you changed one person's mind, that could 424 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: be what needed. Look at who we've lost, you know, 425 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: like when you lose somebody that's been taking care of 426 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: the family and your family a long time and it's 427 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: your turn, you gotta step up. That's what we had. 428 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: We lost this, we lost Mr Lewis, CT Vivian, we 429 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: lost Ruth, We've lost I mean, titans of civil rights. 430 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: And I just felt like a natural, like we up 431 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: to bat type of deal is being called to us, 432 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: and you're seeing that globally, really and really naturally from us, 433 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: is that it's time for us to step up? Man? 434 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: Is that what this man did and what he went through. 435 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine somebody treating Jack how they treated John 436 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: Lout would have been long time, you know, that repot 437 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: something on in your head at that lunch counter, and 438 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: that was it. That would have been it. And then 439 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: so for what he took and what he bared and 440 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: what he went through to get us to this place 441 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: where we have to exercise our rights. But he died 442 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: this year, and I think that was a siren telling 443 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: us that you can't be on the side. It's a 444 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: relay race, right, They're they're passing on, but you're exactly 445 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: right there there there, it's yours now. And I think 446 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: that's why, like the civil rights movement from the sixties 447 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: and seventies, if you think about the role that athletes 448 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: and entertainers played back then, it's not a coincidence that's 449 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: the sixties was also the greatest systematic, systemic change for 450 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: black Americans. And I think what what what sort of 451 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: coined the civil rights movement? I think was a right 452 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: to just like don't lynch me, right. I think what 453 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: we're at now is like all right, cool, like these 454 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: laws have been passed. Now I want to see what 455 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: a real seat at the table is and what America 456 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: is going through right now. Doesn't not want to acknowledge 457 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: what it's done. And a lot of white folks are 458 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: having a tough time acknowledging because in your lives, when 459 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: you acknowledge something, then you were asked to do something 460 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: about it. And I think this moment, specifically for black athletes, 461 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: um men and women, is about equal rights right. And 462 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, stack you talked about systemic change. I think 463 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: it is voting as an national holiday. I think it 464 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: is making sure that these voter suppression laws get turned down. 465 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: I think it is passing the civil rights legislation that 466 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: John Lewis was behind, fixing automatic voter registration in States, 467 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: early day early voting registration in states. When you fix 468 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: the machine, the amount of power that black people have, 469 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean, black women choose the President United States every time, 470 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: every time, whether they decided to vote. That's the power 471 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: of the black community. And I do like though. What 472 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: I will say is I do like that black people 473 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: are making elected officials work this year and the way 474 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: that we haven't no doubt, I think all this kind 475 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: of ties hand in hand because, as I spoke to earlier, 476 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: the NBA credit in an amazing situation where you know, 477 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: he was able to bring players in there safely, with 478 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: no positive tests. We saw some great basketball, we crowned 479 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: a champion. But at the same time, the message continued 480 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: to grow. And at the beginning, this is where Jack 481 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: and I kind of saw different like Jack was on 482 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: the front lines in these cities. I'm up in Sacramento 483 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: help past, you know, getting props together and and and 484 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: bills together to be passed. And I thought that, Okay, 485 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: like I said, he's on the front line. This is 486 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: what the people need, this is what they want, this 487 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: is what they see. But then I'm thinking, like I've 488 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: been to a couple of things, but that's more his thing. 489 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing my thing. But I'm thinking globally, the message 490 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: is gonna get relayed much faster, much stronger when that 491 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: NBA logo is behind it. You know, we're always gonna 492 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: hear Lebron, We're gonna hear CP. But do we hear 493 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: Doc rivers Plea? Do we hear Fred van Pleet? Do 494 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: we hear George Hill? You know? Do we hear some 495 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: of these voices that aren't as big but just as powerful? 496 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: You know, broad you know that. I mean, the list 497 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: goes on. I mean I get so excited when I said, 498 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: when I see this many people actually using their platform. 499 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: What were your guys thoughts on first the safety, I 500 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: mean it's kind of a three tier safety, the quality 501 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: of basketball, and then how they will continue to push 502 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: their narrative and their message in the middle of the 503 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: interviews before games, during games, and after games. I mean, 504 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: I gotta give credit to the league. And I do 505 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: believe that the NBA is the best best professional sports 506 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: league in the United States. And it's not even close, right, perfect, no, 507 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: but there's not even a closer, right, So I gotta 508 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: give credit to the league for doing what they did. 509 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: And they did prioritize making sure people were safe, you 510 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like some of those steps may 511 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: have seemed drastic in the beginning, but their priority was 512 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody was safe and that they 513 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: were able to get a full season and to be 514 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: able to go through and get not get one positive. 515 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: They accomplished and that's a hell of an accomplishment. And 516 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: you think about, you know, all the people, and again 517 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: give credit to the people who went right, the players, 518 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: the staff, the ref because they weren't doing crazy stuff, 519 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, we know those urges 520 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: are there, you know, to step off the campus and 521 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: go do what whatever. Credit to them for staying on course, right, 522 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: because that's a that's a big deal. Um, you know, 523 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: they carried the burden for all of us, you know, 524 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like the teams that didn't get invited 525 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: down there, you know what I mean, the teams that 526 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: had to go home. Really they carried the burden for 527 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: the entire NBA to get it done financially and again 528 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: to keep that message going, you know what I mean, 529 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Like if somebody would have made a mistake, they would 530 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: have used that as ammunition to go at that seat. 531 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: They can't do that, you know what I mean, Like, 532 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: they can't focus on this. And they did a great 533 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: job of making sure their messages were on point and 534 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: they carried themselves in a way where people had to 535 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: respect them. And there's a group of people who are 536 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: just ignorant. They don't care no matter what players say 537 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: or what they do, Like they don't care because they 538 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: can't get past the fact that, you know, they don't 539 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: want these athletes to have a voice. They don't want 540 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: them to have an opinion, they don't want them to 541 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: carry weight. They don't want exactly so put them there. 542 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: But I think what it did was it opened a 543 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: lot of eyes about the power that the NBA players 544 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: that they have. That they carried that one thing. I'll say, 545 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: whether you agreed with how it went down, or not 546 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: when Minnesota or Milwaukee decided not to play, and it 547 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: was a domino effect how some people said, you should 548 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: have kept that power, You should have did this, you 549 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: should that That one thing has shown me is they 550 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: have power. Because it was the NBA, it was the NFL, 551 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: it was the MLS, it was the w n b A, 552 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: it was the NFL. Stop you know what I mean, 553 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: Like you saw the effect and the like. That was 554 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: the one thing I took away that we can debate 555 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: back and forth and I don't want to get into 556 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: it should they have stopped in really gone after something? 557 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: But to me, all this just show was our power. Yeah, 558 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: and can just and this is the thing that that 559 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: kind of that excites me about. It is to me, 560 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: there's been a void of leadership in our communities for 561 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: a long time. Right, we threw so much weight into politicians, 562 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: and politicians have led us down time and time again. 563 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: That void was filled by powerful voices, right, and everybody 564 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 1: jumped on, like you saw tennis, soccer, NFL people jumped on. 565 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: I think we gotta make sure we keep it pushing 566 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: and keep pushing until we vote. It's it's it's an 567 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: ongoing process. So like when we're gonna utes after you vote, 568 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: you still black man, turn the Sammy. You ain't going 569 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: turn in the Samy once you vote my people and 570 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: they still go back. They're not gonna let up on 571 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: trying to take away your right to vote. It's just 572 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: not gonna stop. Even if we win this. They're gonna 573 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: keep fighting because the numbers are gonna continue to be 574 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: in our favorite right, the demographics of our country. Our 575 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: country is getting brown and I don't care how you 576 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: look at it. And so that's gonna keep happening. But 577 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: that small contingency that he's talking about, it's gonna keep 578 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: fighting to keep trying to even up the numbers no 579 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: matter what. So we can't and they count on you 580 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: after the election ex sale, But you know, to go 581 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: along with what he said about the bubble, I thought 582 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: what I really would marveled at was the discipline of 583 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: everyone to stay on message. Watch the interviews, watch the 584 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: half time, and watch watch the post game interviews. It 585 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: was a guy that really went up there, that didn't 586 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: say something, He's okay, the game, did this the game. 587 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: We're here to Brianna Taylor, And it was like, that's 588 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: what I was so out about was just the consistency 589 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: of being able to stay on message and knowing a 590 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: lot of those guys that was in the bubble still 591 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: doing stuff in their hometown of their communities to impact 592 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: as well. To me, that's what was so amazing. And 593 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: then the final part of it was just the quality 594 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: of the game. The competition was fantastic. You can tell 595 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: that this wasn't no asterisk trophy. You you could tell 596 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: that them dudes wanted that trophy, right, It was no, 597 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: this is all what we're in the bubble type thing. 598 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: Not everybody that was in that bubble was going after 599 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: that trophy and self motivated. Right, People push you like 600 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: you got the home crowd, they're cheering you around. Now. 601 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: You had to find my question to you because we 602 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: we think about it as players. You guys played in 603 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: your career, but we're in the league's coaches. Was there 604 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: a benefit to either side to not having crowds because 605 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about these young Miami Heat players, like not 606 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: having to come to l A and go to war. 607 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: Everybody can be shot in the first in the fourth, Yeah, Abs, 608 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: you saw you saw a lot of guys that you 609 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't normally see performed it's more just pick up because 610 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: they don't have that pressure the crowd on them player, 611 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: because that that crowd puts that that extra weight of 612 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: what this game stands, what it means. It means that 613 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: crowd is putting that extra being that with thirty thou 614 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: and man and shutting them. So it's both sides of it. 615 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: And some guys rise in those moments, some guys don't. 616 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: But you didn't have any of that. It was cool. 617 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: But you also guys that got tight because of the 618 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: moment as well, Like it was guys as it started 619 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: to squeeze Denver, how do you come back three one twice? 620 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: They stepped up all of a sudden that momentum times 621 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: and you saw teams getting every shot was like they 622 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: had to make it, and all of a sudden, this 623 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: young team Miamie clear mind, they kept winning and just 624 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: put pressure on those things like Milwaukee puts so much 625 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: pressure on them as they start to look up, like 626 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: why are they in the series with us? Before they 627 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: knew it, they're gone. And so I think that you know, 628 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: it opened up the window for teams that you know, 629 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: we're more like a Miami or Denver who had guys 630 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: that necessarily haven't been in the dungeons and the arenas 631 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: where you're getting called every name in the book. Those guys, 632 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: I felt played a little more free, and your chemistry 633 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: with your team showed more too, because if you want 634 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: to fight for the guy next to you, like that's 635 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: all you got, you know what I mean. The teams 636 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: that we're doing this, those are the teams that went home. 637 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: That was the one thing to talking to some of 638 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: the guys in above said, they said the best some 639 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: of the best times where the evenings when everyone like 640 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: sometimes you're kicking it and talking to dudes you would 641 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: never really run across. They've just always been an opponent, 642 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: but now you're getting I wasn't in the league. I 643 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't have felt that games. But you know what else too, 644 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: I think I think you saw what the importance that 645 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: toughness is a real skill that young but that team 646 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: was like at the time, you know, the whole dealing. 647 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: So I think you saw what that element can bring 648 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: to us. That because I kept saying, it's like the Thunderdome, right, 649 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: you're just throwing people in this bubble and say, Okay, 650 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: who's gonna survive. Miami's team their whole culture was built 651 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: for that kind of seals throw them over in the jungle. 652 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: They figured out a way they getting me. So that's 653 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: what Miami was and I think that's why they in 654 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: that environment when you had, you know, a Toronto team 655 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: that was vulnerable. Now that wasn't the same from the 656 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: year before, Boston team that was reeling from an injury 657 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: with Hayter coming in and out of the lineup, Milwaukee 658 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: who whoever weeks but they didn't address their wars but 659 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: walk He never addressed their wars. In fact, they led 660 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: a guy like brobed and Walked who was a critical 661 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: things like that, and you saw when honest wasn't going. 662 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: When you're asking guys that are still talented, but they're 663 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: not asked to carry the burden like guys play their role. 664 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: So it's tough when your name is number one and 665 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: number two on the scoutter reported, not number eight. When 666 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: Kobe was doing his thing, when you as well him, 667 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: it was made it easy for everybody, but he wasn't 668 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: on that court. Everybody else had to go to the 669 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: next spot. Was like Motherucker's talking about they want to 670 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: but can you really hand them really? If you was 671 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: on the team with you know, I gotta be the jerk. 672 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: Would you put him to the side, broke? Can you 673 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: work on your jump shot? I would just you know, 674 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: I think he does. I think that's like he's gotten 675 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: better some guys that don't. But it's playoff level better 676 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: and you know the difference. Yeah, right, And I think 677 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: that's the thing is like he's working at it, but 678 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: it's a working process. When I watched, that's how I 679 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: know the teams. I know how teams played teams in 680 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: the regular season in the playoffs, and if you can't shoot, 681 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna give you that the whole playoffs. But you 682 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: have to still take it and miss it. You have 683 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: to take in Simmons, you still have to shoot it 684 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: and understand what it feels like they're making miss not 685 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: just an emptys gym. You have to have that feeling 686 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: what I meant to see it missing. But we've all 687 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: seen great like you know, great shooters and practice like 688 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: motherfucker's and you give him the ball in the game, 689 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: they do like little kids, and that guy sucks because 690 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: you're like in the game, like, oh, he's wide open 691 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: to the game. Drop some beautiful drop some beautiful ship 692 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: he's wide open. And you know it's like everybody, everybody 693 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: that's a whole. Different guys are different, and so that's 694 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: what I think with Jane. Honestly, even with all of 695 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: those deficiencies of shooting, if they would address that issue 696 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: of having a guy that can come off a pick 697 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: and roll, shoot at three and make a play for him. 698 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: See that's where he's a powerful everything stop for everybody. 699 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: Gota Remember he's a power forward. Carl Malone has stocked 700 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: Timmy had Tony Parker. Come on, man, you can go 701 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: down the line of point guards that's played with great 702 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: power forwards. They need easy baskets. He always got the 703 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: ball in his hands that has to make the play. 704 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: Everybody need a guy to get him some cheap stuff. 705 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: But only a great mind coach I know to think 706 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: like that, though only you know that. Kevin mcke Kevin mckill. 707 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: Never forget Kevin McKell quote. And he wasn't even talking 708 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: about basketball, but he always said, every big man needs 709 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: a point guard everything, you know what I mean, like 710 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: even on the court, off the court, you need a 711 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: point Mike con Manga sall were in a separate perfect match. 712 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: They had to be together like that, the combination, and 713 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: they needed each other that way, and bigs like that 714 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: need good guard play because they gotta get six to 715 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: ten easy ones. And then all of a sudden, now 716 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: that gain, now Janice may start making more jumpers because 717 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: it's like, I ain't got some to make this. You 718 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: got to get one or two of those guys or 719 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna keep running into the same problems. And if 720 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: they don't, I fear he may decide I gotta touch 721 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that's a real possibility. Don't go to 722 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: the Bay, Oh, Miami Bank, Toronto. It's a lot of Toronto. 723 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: It's a lot of times that you want to go Miami. 724 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: The band. Imagine if we weren't in the pandemic and 725 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: when you had to go to South Beach and l 726 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 1: how great is I want to went to that ship. 727 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: I don't even like pissed off because he was like 728 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: this first time this happened. Crazy. Miami and I like 729 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: the two most populus cities. You got a chance to 730 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: win a couple of rings with Braun in Miami to 731 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: see what he's been able to kind of do. Went 732 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: from you know, I think he learned and you can 733 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: speak to this I think he learned a lot from 734 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: you guys in Miami, particularly the weight on how to 735 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: handle it because the weight had already been there. Your 736 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: staff and your organization is rock solid, and like Jack said, 737 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: it starts at the top. I think he did He 738 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: did great as a player, but I didn't think he 739 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: did a lot of a training and learning when he 740 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: was with you guys. You know, the biggest thing he 741 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: learned in Miami is he learned to stop giving a 742 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: fun man hard to do and it's hard to do 743 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: when when so many people are talking about you from 744 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: the nine fresh sheet Man. We all seen this movie. 745 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: This dude was a nine. He was on Sports Sale Australia. 746 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 1: He was supposed to be the best player that ever 747 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: played the game, and that was on his head from 748 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: Matt and he didn't. He didn't disappline, he hasn't disappointed. Now, 749 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: did he have some bumps in the role. I'm like, 750 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying squeaky clean athletes, but I'm just people 751 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: people have I'm talking about in the roles, like losing 752 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: this series or not hitting this shot. That stuff has 753 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: come and we watched him roll through that. But if 754 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: you look at the totality of what he's been able 755 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: to do, he ain't done, then win it again next 756 00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: year with prime for seventeen years none and he takes 757 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: it so serious, like, he puts in so much. That's 758 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: why I can respect it, because I got to see 759 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: him put in the time. He doesn't take that part 760 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: for granted. He's just not a talented dude showing up 761 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: and being Lebron's done physically for himself mentally like, and 762 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: then when you take all of that, and he's taking 763 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: the burden of leading us in social justice and criminal 764 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: justice and this whole deal can carry out that. I mean, 765 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: he built the school where the families live for free, 766 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: if they're in this program where they got housing, who's 767 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: done that. He's carrying all of that. He's doing all 768 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: of this great stuff on the court that we can't 769 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: even believe. And he's not done and he's doing that. 770 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: So so what we're seeing is something to marvel at. 771 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: And I hope that when it's all said and done, 772 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: that he really gets the kind of credit I think 773 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: when you see that too, though, And this is what 774 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: my point before about that group of people over here, 775 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: that they try to find a way anything when you 776 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: remember last year. We were here last year. Because you 777 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: hear the media he's coming in l A and he 778 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: wants to make movies and be on shows and he's not. 779 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm just like this thing has been doing this stuff. 780 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: You just didn't know because he wasn't in l A 781 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: doing it like he need to be that he knows 782 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: what his job is. Was looking at was Okay, I'm 783 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: having a tough time catching these dudes with six I 784 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: might be able to do it, but I'm having But 785 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: what I can do is win one with three different 786 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: franchises and the finals m VP. That's all I'm done. 787 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: Think about that. And he took a whole different crew 788 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: four times and said, come on, guys, fit the pieces together. 789 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: I'll make the rest of it work. I got it, 790 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: but from an athletes, I masked it this all the time. 791 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: This is one I love Lebron. I put him, I 792 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: set him apart from everybody. As athletes, we all bring 793 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: out entourage, brown, we all come in. I want to 794 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: bring out hood and every around and put them in 795 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: position to be me that I put them in position 796 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: to provide for themselves. He's the only one in NBA 797 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: history to get the only one. That's why I get 798 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: That's why I seated one of them. I'm guilty, I 799 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: got it wrong. He's the only one to get that 800 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: was the most The thing I loved about his cruel was, 801 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: and I'm friends with all of them, is that they 802 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: all became their own entity, right. They didn't just hold 803 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 1: on to us tail and say, you know, I'm gonna 804 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: stay in this crew and be around him as they 805 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: that's the end. And he gave He empowered me to 806 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: go be themselves. And you know I would if I'm 807 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: an athlete and I got a little crew. That's the blueprint. 808 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, go ahead. What what did they do 809 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: so that I'm not paying these dudes bills when I'm 810 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: twenty years from now and they're still, you know, asking 811 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: me for money and all that stuff. What he did 812 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: is he empowered their entrepreneurship. Where he started to finished though, 813 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: he started on the court, right, and that's where he 814 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: does his thing. And I think, you know what I mean, Like, 815 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: we got people who walk this line, but they're not 816 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: fully committed here. And if you're not fully committed here, 817 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: cares about that other stuff? You know what I'm saying. 818 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: Occurred below average as an NBA player, Like nobody's jumping 819 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: on your ship to give you these opportunities do these 820 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: things like he got the job done here and all 821 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: the other doors were opened up because of basketball. I 822 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: just wish people would would would understand and appreciate instead 823 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: of always trying to compare who's this, who's that? What 824 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: he didn't do? What? We've got a chance to watch 825 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James all in their primes, 826 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: all during our lifetime. Because I was the people with 827 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, That's why I don't get into it. Yeah, 828 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: I don't this whole thing people with no talent they 829 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: made and the gum by itself nothing, They couldn't make 830 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: a layup, and they were the ones trying to have 831 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: better than this, and and it almost And what I 832 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: don't like is is sports media has almost made you 833 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: like if if I like COVID, then I can't like Lebron, 834 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: but I still like MG. I can't like it. It's crazy. 835 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: You know, we don't rate that really do that though? Yeah, 836 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: you don't a race that could pat trying to make 837 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: each other go at each other. I could pay each other. 838 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: You can't just say, okay, it's only one mom, but 839 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: one king and one Jordan. You can't just you got 840 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: what Jordan betted in him with Cobe. We only raised 841 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: that compare. We can't just be great. We can't just 842 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: let everybody be great and everybody praise everybody and give 843 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: everybody they flowers. We got to compare them in some 844 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of way. I always look out like us, if 845 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: your name is in the conversation, that's over and don't 846 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: and then and if you're not in that circle, like 847 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: I like what Jordan said. Did you hear what Jordan 848 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: was talking about it not too long ago, about how 849 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: you can't compare Karine to me to lebron to He's like, 850 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: it's not fair generationally to do that. He's like, you 851 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: got to appreciate what these guys are doing. And if 852 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: Jordan's said that, everybody else needs to shut the funk up, 853 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: he's the one that really has got the most votes 854 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: for the crime, right. And if he said here, I'm 855 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: gonna set the crown over here for me, just so 856 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: y'all understand it's not about that, then everybody else shut 857 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: the fun up, right exactly, Let's transition to um obviously, 858 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: you guys, current head coach, former head coach. Black coaches 859 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: in the NBA are few and far between. DC Rivers 860 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: was let go, but then immediately picked up. Ty Lewis 861 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: picked up by the clips name. McMillan was fired, Alvin 862 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 1: Jenni was fired. We're as it stand, maybe four six 863 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: curves now with TLU and then Dot getting back on. 864 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: It's at six six out of thirty still open. New 865 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: Orleans is still open though, and one more place, um 866 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: okay in Indiana? Right, Okay? What is it gonna take 867 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: for people that look like us, that entertain everyone and 868 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: are great on the court to actually get more of 869 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: a realistic look as coaches, as general manager, as front office, 870 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: as exacts willing to work or get a chance to 871 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: work their way up. It's tough man, to be honest 872 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: with you, you know what I mean. Like, we got 873 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: a lot of friends that are still in this fight 874 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: and trying to move. We've been through it. I was 875 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: what fourteen years before, you know, I got an opportunity, 876 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: and the only reason I got an opportunity is three 877 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: times is because the person ahead of me, uh, you know, 878 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: got got let you got let go or decided to 879 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: move on. You know what I mean. I went on. 880 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many interviews and you get 881 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,879 Speaker 1: to a point where they say, oh, you know you're gray, 882 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: but our owner decided this, you know what I mean. 883 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: Like that happened to me four or five times where 884 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, the general manager would tell me one thing 885 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: and then they would say, well, our owner decided we 886 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: needed more of this, you know, and this ended up 887 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: being an older white right instead of you know what 888 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: I represent? Uh, So you get piste off, you know 889 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, to be honest with you, And you 890 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: know what it comes down to if you think about 891 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: it is, you know companies and businesses as a whole 892 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 1: that are run by older white men, how comfortable are 893 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: they and putting young black men in positions of leadership? 894 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: They hire people who look like them. It's comfortable for him, 895 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: right because that's who they know, that's who they've experienced, 896 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: that's what they understand. You know. I mean, I feel 897 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: extremely fortunate, you know what I'm saying. Like in Cleveland, 898 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: Kobe Altman is a black general manager. You know, I'm 899 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: a black head coach. There's five or six different positions 900 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: in our organization that are led by black men or 901 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: black women, you know what I mean. So like, that's 902 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: an extremely unique situation in all the pro sports. We 903 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: were one of the first to do a vice president 904 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: of diversity and clue who was a black man named 905 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Clayton. So like, our organization has been thinking forward 906 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: and has been open, but it's not common in the league. 907 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: And I think it's something you know me Again, we 908 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: talked to talk, right, but when the action came, the 909 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: opportunity to make these hires, in these decisions, we didn't 910 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: make those decisions. We didn't walk that walk. So I 911 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: mean that's something that you know, we got to make 912 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: sure that we keep putting the pressure on too, to 913 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: keep people thinking about that. Like again, it's easy to 914 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: throw money at the problem when you gotta make a 915 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 1: decision and when it becomes difficult. And the thing too, 916 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: it starts with the whole perception of young black coaches, 917 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, And he knows exactly what I'm about to 918 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: talk about. And this is a really unfortunate part of 919 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: the battle we have to fight to get where we are. 920 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: Is when we came into the league as young assistants, 921 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: player development, whatever our job yeah, it was to get 922 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: players better. That wasn't our biggest job. My job was 923 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: to keep Jack out. The club did that, and I 924 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: would I never played with y'all, y'all. Still, this is 925 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: real ship and the your grands right. I don't mean 926 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,399 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but this is real ship. He's 927 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: not lying at all, y'all, y'all. Every team that I 928 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: played against you all, y'all used to make y'all wait, 929 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: both of y'all, make you all wait down to my end, 930 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: talk to me, check on me. And we never even 931 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: played on the same time. But then they used that 932 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 1: against you because then they said you're too close to 933 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 1: the players. But I can't tell you how many nights 934 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: I got the call, Hey, JB, so and so was 935 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: here again. Go get him, Go get him South Beach, 936 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: go get him. So I go get him. Right, you 937 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: know we got this you know, specialist coming in. We 938 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,760 Speaker 1: want him to work with him. You know he won't 939 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: do it if we asked him. But JB, what you 940 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: asked him to do it to do it because of 941 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: your relationship, right, And then when it came time for 942 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: promotions moving up, it was you're too close to the players. Yeah, 943 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: you know, what I'm saying, they're not your friends at 944 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: his wedding, right, this happened at his wedding. My wife 945 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: and I are in the suite, will get you know, 946 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: Gary go to another event for his wedding. We're down 947 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: to Mexico, having a great time. I get a call 948 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 1: from a good friend of all the Oars, Mike Brown. 949 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: My guy. Mike Brown is our guy. I went to 950 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: my same college, is Mike. He's the reason I'm even 951 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: in the league. Mike Brown called me, said first I 952 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: got to talk to you. I'm like, what's up. He's like, 953 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,919 Speaker 1: it's a certain contingency of people out there that's trying 954 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,439 Speaker 1: to hold up your opportunities from being the head coach. 955 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like I 956 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: ain't even thinking about it. He said, it's people saying 957 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: you're too close to your players. You know you're this 958 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: here and I'm like, so here it is. They've been 959 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: telling me this is what I gotta do to be important. 960 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I keep there my line, but 961 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: I can coach too, but this is my main job. 962 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: But now they're using it against me to get that. 963 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: You gotta think, like he talked about fourteen years, I 964 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,280 Speaker 1: went to four title runs. I didn't get an interview 965 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: for two more years from Memphis and we had to 966 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: call him. I had made I went to Pat's office. 967 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: I said, Pad, I need a favor so I never 968 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: come to you if I wasn't ready, And he was like, 969 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: what's up. I'm like, I want the Memphis job. He's 970 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: liked and luckily as Pat right got you, boom, he 971 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: put the call in. But they didn't call for me. 972 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,919 Speaker 1: I wasn't a part of the pool, you know, because 973 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: again I think people looked at me as like, well, 974 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: he just keeps the way Brian Chris Bosh from going off, 975 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,360 Speaker 1: and he he does that supposing the coaches and not 976 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: only is it not easy, but we're coaching. That's the 977 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: part that gets lost in this and that's what I'm 978 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: talking about is the perception of what black coaches are. 979 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: I was the players coach when I got hired as 980 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: a head coach, not a tactician, not a guy who 981 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: understand the offense pace, you know, defensive systems, all this stuff, analytics. 982 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm I can give a master's course. We can both 983 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: give a master's course on every technology in this league. 984 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,799 Speaker 1: Because I came through the video rown just like you did. 985 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: I can tell you every position on assistant coaching staff. 986 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: I've ran a defense of offense, player development. We've done 987 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: every one of those jobs all the way through the deal. 988 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: But now I get to the seat and it's my 989 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: turn and on the players coach, which is the most 990 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: different and conversed intelligence. Yeah, what do they say about 991 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: the young white coaches that coming to this league? And 992 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: he's my friends, right, like these are basketball mind right, 993 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,919 Speaker 1: if you could go back and and yeah, but that's 994 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 1: the That's what I'm saying is so we have to 995 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: really change that perception. And I put a lot of 996 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 1: that burden on the head coaches in this league. They 997 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 1: have to start showing their assistance in a different light. 998 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: And they gotta started talking about their black assistance in 999 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: the light of a guy that really knows how to 1000 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: teach the game, execute the game. You know, the whole 1001 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,839 Speaker 1: of being ahead players, that's the most important. You need 1002 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: to coach, need to demand their respect and be leaders. 1003 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 1: And what happens to us though again perceptions so as 1004 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,240 Speaker 1: we do that, we're being combative. We don't we're creating 1005 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: McMillan named McMillan has got an extension and then they 1006 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: still fired. But what they say is he's too hard. 1007 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: He running through this practice is too long. He's But 1008 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 1: if that was coach k or somebody else that you'll 1009 00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 1: be saying, what a coach. He really holds the accountable. 1010 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: He's really putting that stamp down, you know. And so 1011 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: that's how it kind of goes where we gotta watch 1012 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: that wall. There's too many people that's never played the 1013 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: game have an input and have a say so how 1014 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: the game is ran. That's a big problem too. And 1015 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: and one reason why players are not involved in who coaches, 1016 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: who coaches coach their team is because they would pick coaches, 1017 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: like y'all, coaches that they can talk to outside of basketball, 1018 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: coaches that they feel they feel comfortable talking to about everything. 1019 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: Even with Steve Nash, he's not black, but they picked 1020 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: him because he's a two time m VP, he's been 1021 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: in Wars, he's been in the NBA. They know that 1022 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 1: they can trust him when it comes down to the game. 1023 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: And here's but here's where I would ask, and I 1024 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: would challenge all the players. You do have power, you 1025 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: do have voice. Right, So the Steve Nash is a 1026 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,720 Speaker 1: clear picture to all of us of the power that players, 1027 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: no question, don't use it as a way out, like 1028 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,280 Speaker 1: use your boys, you know what I mean. If it matters, 1029 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: if it matters to you and all these things like 1030 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,720 Speaker 1: we keep talking about the impact and equality and equity, 1031 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: if it matters, use your boys because they have to listen. 1032 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: Because the important thing. See, you guys are retired and 1033 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: now you're in a world where you look at people's occupations. 1034 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 1: Deffinitely it has to happen when players are in the current. 1035 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad I wasn't like that. Yeah, y'all have been 1036 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: playing by damn self. I wouldn't damn show what's showing up. Well, 1037 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: my thing too is I mean, I could be wrong, 1038 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: but I think it's obviously you're I don't even want 1039 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: to use your leash or your rope is shorter because 1040 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: it's just not the time. But I feel like it's 1041 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: dangerous because, like I said, I've known you for a 1042 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: long time and I talked about your situation. You got 1043 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: an opportunity to coach first and formance, which is a blessing, 1044 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,359 Speaker 1: but it's two fucked up teams, you know what I mean. 1045 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,839 Speaker 1: So you can only do so much, and then we'll ship. 1046 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: We'll look who we had and look what they did. Well, motherfucker, 1047 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: look what you gave him exactly. You look at the 1048 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: job you gave him and the roster you gave them, 1049 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,760 Speaker 1: and then well he couldn't do this here, he couldn't 1050 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,240 Speaker 1: do this there, so he must not. So it's dangerous. 1051 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't like to Steven Steve. 1052 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: It's for friends of ours play with Steve. He got 1053 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: a job with two superstars, Steve Kerr got a job 1054 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: with three All Stars to superstars, Like you don't see 1055 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: black coaches getting an opportunity to lead a team that 1056 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: is just is ready to do. You get black coaches 1057 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: the jobs that they got a build not too many people, 1058 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,360 Speaker 1: But then you don't really give a chance to build, 1059 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It takes it takes two 1060 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: or three drafts, three or four seasons to really have 1061 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: an identity as the coach's identity. You can't get motherfucker's 1062 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,759 Speaker 1: in and out like you can't build it for me. 1063 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: It's it's personal. But it's like my dad been through 1064 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 1: the ship for a long you know what I'm saying, 1065 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: Like my dad's first job was in nineteen seventy two 1066 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: and the NBA. Right he's still working with us in Cleveland. 1067 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: But you look at his head coaching jobs and it 1068 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: was the same ship, you know what I mean. He 1069 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: got a young team with the Wizards or they were 1070 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,280 Speaker 1: the Bullets at the time, with c Webb and Juan 1071 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: and George mirision Is Strict and those guys. But all 1072 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: the other jobs, like all of those jobs like he 1073 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: had to get and he had to build it. So 1074 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: if you think about from his first job was with 1075 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: Seattle and head coaching job right from five to two 1076 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty, we're having the same conversation, you know 1077 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. So what's changing, what can change, what 1078 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,319 Speaker 1: is being done to change is their talks amongst the organizations, 1079 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: amongst the Coaches Union, Like what kind of stuff is 1080 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,400 Speaker 1: being talked about they I mean, we do have a 1081 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 1: very strong coaches Union. I'll give them a ton of 1082 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: credit for that. David Fogel is the head of as 1083 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: the executive director. Rick Carlisle is the head of it UM, 1084 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: and you know they are making pushes to try to 1085 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,600 Speaker 1: help you know, minority coaches, black coaches get interviews, but 1086 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the day. That's what you get 1087 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: as an interview, right, Like you can't tell and you 1088 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to You shouldn't be able to tell 1089 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,400 Speaker 1: an owner you have to hire this guy, right, you 1090 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: have to take a look at it. But I mean, 1091 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: like you can do that. But you know, that's the 1092 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 1: difficult part about it is what Fortune five company? Can 1093 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,400 Speaker 1: you say you have to hire a black CEO or 1094 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,919 Speaker 1: a black executive director? Like, you can't do it, don't 1095 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 1: that right? So they're giving exposure and they're doing a 1096 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: bunch of different things, you know, um as far as 1097 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: technology on the internet. They're putting together stories on these guys, 1098 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, videos like all types of stuff to try 1099 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: to give them exposures to be done. Because when you 1100 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: when you overqualify, you gotta you, you gotta remember again, 1101 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: it spills back into society and just the basics of 1102 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: how our society has moved. We have to be much 1103 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 1: better at everything just to get a look. Yeah, and 1104 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,800 Speaker 1: so that's where you know, but again it's all like 1105 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: he said, it falls back on obviously the owners are 1106 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,000 Speaker 1: going to make the final decision. But I do feel 1107 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: like Adam Silver in the league and I know the 1108 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,879 Speaker 1: Coaches Association. We're really making strong pushes so that more 1109 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: guys get their foot just in the room to talk 1110 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: to these people. And when they can do that and 1111 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 1: just had that opportunity, you never know then what happens. 1112 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,279 Speaker 1: You can while a guy, you know, maybe you click 1113 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: with a guy and you get your opportunity. But that 1114 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,839 Speaker 1: has to be the thing that we got to get 1115 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: people in front of these guys so that they know 1116 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: there's quality candidates and not something you just heard from 1117 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: about somebody from the resource. But you get them in 1118 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,399 Speaker 1: front of you and you talked to him. Don't don't 1119 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,279 Speaker 1: don't let it be somebody have to tell you that 1120 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 1: I'm called qualified. It's it's right here that I'm I'm here. 1121 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,880 Speaker 1: It says right here, I'm quantified. Somebody should have to 1122 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: tell you I'm quantified. Transitioning to your time in Memphis, Um, 1123 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: it was eye opening for me in a good way, 1124 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I when I got to Memphis, 1125 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: I was just like man, the people, the food, the history. UM. 1126 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: You were very vocal out there about having some Confederate 1127 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 1: statues removed. UM out there, and UH talked to us 1128 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 1: a little bit about what that was about. And what 1129 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: ended up happening. Um, you know, it's really it's interesting 1130 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: because when we first got there, Um, I was approached 1131 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 1: by this group take them down nine oh one, and uh, 1132 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: you know they're talking about these statues and me, being 1133 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: a West Coast guy, I didn't even get it. And 1134 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: I never even really to be honest, what you knew 1135 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,399 Speaker 1: that these statues was all over the place. The only 1136 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,839 Speaker 1: thing I remember seeing over the course of my life 1137 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 1: that really just took me back was when I worked 1138 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,440 Speaker 1: for the Hawks and I went to Stone Mountain and 1139 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 1: I saw this, like didn't they lose? They have this? 1140 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,239 Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. But then when I 1141 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,399 Speaker 1: was so when I got there, here this you're talking 1142 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,839 Speaker 1: about being a young black coaches Like, okay, this group 1143 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: is asking me to be active. How active can I be? 1144 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,759 Speaker 1: It's my first job, I'm in the South, and how 1145 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,839 Speaker 1: far am I willing to push this? But at some point, 1146 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: certain things happen that you don't get to choose no more. 1147 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 1: And Charlotte'sville happening, right, Charlottesville happened but on your front doorstep, yeah, 1148 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: right there, And it was all about that statue. And 1149 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, is that you know in the city, 1150 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 1: Dr King was assassinated, and here it is a majority 1151 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,879 Speaker 1: black staff. Right. We put a lot of time into 1152 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,320 Speaker 1: the black community and the Civil Rights Museum and stuff 1153 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 1: like that, and here I am and charlotte Ville happens, 1154 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, we got these crazy. We got 1155 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: a statue for people that don't know. Nathan Bedford Forest, 1156 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: the first the grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, 1157 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,840 Speaker 1: had a statue aside, two story statue in the biggest 1158 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 1: park in the city. And Jefferson Davis across town had 1159 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,359 Speaker 1: a statue to say inside sitting in one of our 1160 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 1: best parts right on the Mississippi River. Now here, I 1161 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,919 Speaker 1: am a black coach and this has happened in my city. 1162 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: And I got a group of black women asking me 1163 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 1: to get involved in this and put my voice to it. 1164 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,399 Speaker 1: And Charlottesville is going on, and I'm like, I can't 1165 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: stay on the sideline for this one. So I didn't 1166 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 1: ask permission. I dove in. I did a huge YouTube interview. 1167 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: My wife posted some stuff on her on her Instagram 1168 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 1: because I'm not on Instagram, but we did. We went 1169 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: to pictures of the statues with me in front of them, 1170 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, Black Lives Matter T shirts all that kind 1171 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 1: of stuff, just to bring again platform attention to it, 1172 00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,799 Speaker 1: because that's what they didn't have. A lot of people 1173 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,320 Speaker 1: didn't understand, didn't even know about what these women have 1174 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: been trying to do all this time. So I got 1175 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: involved in that, and and sure enough, when I did it, 1176 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: I got called to the principal's office and it was 1177 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: sponsors of the team that were threatening to pull out 1178 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: if I didn't shut up. We had a couple of 1179 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,600 Speaker 1: minority owners that spoke up, you know, mad that I 1180 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,440 Speaker 1: was doing this and now, and it's like, you know, 1181 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,319 Speaker 1: that me to tone it down, and I just said, 1182 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do that in the position that 1183 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm in right now, with what's going on in our 1184 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: country and these two statues sitting in our city, I 1185 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,440 Speaker 1: can't back off of this. And so I just stayed 1186 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,280 Speaker 1: with it. You know, we got a lot of stuff, 1187 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, threats and things like that obviously sent our way. 1188 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 1: You're talking about the middle of the South, right. Although 1189 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,920 Speaker 1: Memphis is an awesome city and people live in that city, 1190 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: about that city, what is surrounded by is the history 1191 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: of our South. And I got a backlash from that 1192 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: that was pretty you know, pretty uh threatening, but at 1193 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 1: the same time, I wasn't gonna back off and we 1194 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,320 Speaker 1: laugh about it. But I got fired and a week 1195 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,440 Speaker 1: later I got a call from one of the ladies 1196 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 1: and the group saying, you know, Coach, we just want 1197 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 1: you to know your time in Memphis wasn't in vain. 1198 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 1: Statues are coming down and they sent me the video 1199 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 1: and you you know, winning titles and all of that stuff. 1200 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: It's awesome, guys, but that's real, and that's something that 1201 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: I will be able to show my son. You know 1202 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,040 Speaker 1: that my wife and I was a part of this, 1203 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,240 Speaker 1: and we we were actively engaged in trying to do 1204 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 1: something to help people. And so you know that probably 1205 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 1: means more to me to damn than anything I tell people. 1206 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,000 Speaker 1: I tell people that all the time. With what I'm 1207 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 1: doing now, I feel like I'm more known for what 1208 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing now in basketball that mean more than me 1209 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: and everything because I'm helping my people. Yeah, because I 1210 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 1: don't want to be known for basketball. I want to 1211 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: be known for It's a natural I always talked about, 1212 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: you know that I'm all corny and stuff. I'll get 1213 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,280 Speaker 1: into the science of things, but when you give a 1214 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: chemical comes off of you. Something happens inside of you 1215 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: when you that nothing else can create. And it's scientifically proven. 1216 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: And so the more you get, why do you think 1217 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: you always just feel so good different? It's not just 1218 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: because of the action. It is because it was actually 1219 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: happening inside of you. And so that's why you just 1220 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,120 Speaker 1: now you're fueled like they didn't messed up and let 1221 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 1: lit your engine and you can't stop. And I think 1222 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: that's the way it is for all of us. Really, 1223 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: you've messed around and woke us all up. And this 1224 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 1: ain't the sixties. Muhammadadli didn't have social media. Bill Russell 1225 00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 1: didn't have Instagram. You know he was at tweeting. They 1226 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 1: didn't have access, They didn't have wealth and resources and 1227 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 1: things that they can connect to that we have. And 1228 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,720 Speaker 1: now that we are all WoT, we have to maximize 1229 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,640 Speaker 1: that to push this thing forward so that our kids 1230 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't be having this platform, can go back to sleep, 1231 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: show time. Um in closing ray elections around the corner 1232 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,400 Speaker 1: for sure, talk talk to our people, what do we 1233 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,800 Speaker 1: need to do and give me a quick cush note 1234 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 1: to what needs to have to me. First, I want 1235 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 1: to thank coach for what he did, and and hold 1236 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,200 Speaker 1: that up as an example with stack as an example. What, um, 1237 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 1: what coaches doing in the highest example, work with the 1238 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 1: local organizations. You don't have to love the candid, but 1239 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: you don't understand the power that your platform can give 1240 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,280 Speaker 1: a low organization who's been grinding on the page every 1241 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 1: single day, door knocking, and then you lend your voice 1242 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, for five minutes of them and changes 1243 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: the entire That was one thing Jack said to just 1244 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,360 Speaker 1: being out there with that. He said, the looks on 1245 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: their face and this black is that will never see 1246 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: that statute because of what coach did. They don't got 1247 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,760 Speaker 1: to walk by an enslaver every single time that they 1248 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,160 Speaker 1: will and that's that's so powerful. And so anyway, the 1249 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,800 Speaker 1: point being, I think is using your platform to educate 1250 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,880 Speaker 1: voters right now. Um. One of the things that you know, 1251 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 1: we talked about when we talk about with especially our 1252 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,959 Speaker 1: athletes and artists is yes, the two and a half 1253 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: minute overperformed video that's nice in music and straight to camera. 1254 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: This is what you need to know and figure out 1255 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,840 Speaker 1: how to get it out there. The local organizations right 1256 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,760 Speaker 1: now that if you give them thirty seconds of your 1257 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,439 Speaker 1: time and say hey, this is where you go to vote, 1258 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: this is who you know, this is this is what 1259 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 1: the ballot looks like. And create that content, share it 1260 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,120 Speaker 1: on your social media platform. Organizations will grab it off 1261 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: the off the platform and send it out everywhere. What 1262 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,840 Speaker 1: are the seven states? You feel? Um, we can utilize 1263 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: athletes and entertainers voices the most. Yeah, so seven states? 1264 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Pay attention? Alright, seven states? What number one is? I'm 1265 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 1: from Florida, so I let's say something about Florida. Florida, 1266 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Texas might flip. Texas actually might flip. Then it's not 1267 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 1: called the swing state. Yea, but Texas might flip. But Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, 1268 01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Wisconsin are the most important things in this selection in 1269 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,280 Speaker 1: North Carolina. If you're in any of those states, athletes, musicians, entertainers, 1270 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,080 Speaker 1: tap in. We can get you some information on how 1271 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: you can be most effective. Um, we're in the fourth 1272 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 1: courter now, baby, and again I think that for all 1273 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: of us is use your platform to get out the 1274 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: right information. We're fighting. You may not see it all 1275 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 1: the time, but what's happening out there. They are doing 1276 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: anything to give people false information so that they go 1277 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,640 Speaker 1: to the wrong place or they don't vote at all. 1278 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,440 Speaker 1: And people trust us and people know that if we're 1279 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,080 Speaker 1: putting it on our sites, then it's real. And so 1280 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,840 Speaker 1: all of you guys in these differences where you're a 1281 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,640 Speaker 1: college athlete, pro athlete, it does not matter. Use your platform. 1282 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 1: You get problem information to your community, so we can 1283 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 1: get that number of people out to vote, and to 1284 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: all the athletes too. There's so many people in our neighborhoods. 1285 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,080 Speaker 1: They screaming to the top of our lines, but they 1286 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 1: don't nobody hear them. We have to be their voice. 1287 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,600 Speaker 1: There's so many people that need our voice to speak 1288 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 1: up for him. Being in these neighborhoods, I inherited, so 1289 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,320 Speaker 1: many people paying, so many mothers have lost their kids 1290 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 1: to police violence, so many people that are struggling that 1291 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,040 Speaker 1: need to be heard. We have to be their voice, 1292 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,240 Speaker 1: and they're looking for someone to follow right. So, and 1293 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,720 Speaker 1: it may not be for everybody, you know what I mean, 1294 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: because it is scary when you put yourself out there. 1295 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,680 Speaker 1: It is scary. It's not for everybody, But if you 1296 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,280 Speaker 1: take that step, you'd be amazed at how many people 1297 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,120 Speaker 1: will step with you. I think that's what we need 1298 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: to do. If you had a billboard to show the 1299 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,720 Speaker 1: world with the message that what would it be, vote 1300 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,520 Speaker 1: right like Pops in those T shirts that said vote 1301 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 1: like your life depends on it because it does right 1302 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: and that's real. Well, that's a wrap. I'd like to 1303 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: thank our guest. Today. Election day is right around the corner. 1304 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Early vote, Early vote, Take your ballots to the polls, 1305 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 1: dropping yourself if you need to stay in the line, 1306 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,040 Speaker 1: stand in line because it's bigger than us. It's for 1307 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 1: our futures, for our children's, for the children. Every vote counts, 1308 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: every voice counts. Make sure you vote this year, the 1309 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,400 Speaker 1: biggest election of our lives. Catch us on Showtime Basketball, 1310 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,520 Speaker 1: YouTube and the I Heart Black Effects Family. We'll see 1311 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 1: you guys next time. Production of The Black Effect and 1312 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 1: Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime