WEBVTT - Secrets, Scandals and Sex (E1 S1 “PILOT”) 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.280 Hi, I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tenny, 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.560 and this is desperately devoted a rewatch podcast about the 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.520 iconic television series Desperate Housewives. Whether you're watching the show 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.160 for the hundredth time or the first time like me, 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:17.040 Welcome to the neighborhood. 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.119 Oh, we're so glad that you're here, and we of 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.000 course are going to be watching all eight seasons and 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:25.840 getting into all the behind the scenes with all the 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.840 entertaining classic iconic moments, but we're also using it as 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.280 a springboard to talk about things like relationships and. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:35.680 Being a woman and motherhood. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.760 And all of the cultural references from Y two K 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:40.080 up until today. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.600 So we're glad you're here, and today. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:44.919 We're talking about the pilot. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:46.479 Oh my god. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:46.839 My gosh. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.760 I can't start at the very beginning. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.520 This is a very exciting episode. It starts with a bang, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.840 a bang, start with you got it? It starts with 0:00:58.920 --> 0:00:59.480 the bang. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.880 We really like to start with discussing each of our 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.440 favorite moments from the episode. So I would love to 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:06.600 hear your favorite moment. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.600 Oh, well, I have to say I I felt what 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.920 stood out to me in this episode crazy enough was 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.560 the neighborhood itself. I just think with steria, Lane is 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:23.160 an absolute star. Totally yeah, yeah, the neighborhood. Yeah, I 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.080 hear you, and I can't wait to talk more about her. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.160 I would say my top moment is the cut to 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.920 missus Huber licking off what appears to be blood off 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.959 of her finger off of her kitchen counter, but it's 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:36.880 actually ketchup. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.600 It's such a perfect blend of the dramatic moment into 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.480 the comedy. And I think my favorite moment, well, there 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.759 are so many, but I think my favorite moment from 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.440 this episode has to be Lynette going into the pool 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.000 at Mary Alice's house during the wake to pull her 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.240 children out of the pool. I think it perfectly marries 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.120 this heightened world that we live in throughout Desperate Housewives 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.880 with the real, honest, emotional depth of the desperation that 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:11.040 women experience and people experience in their lives all the time. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.160 Perfectly said yes, so here we go. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:15.200 I can't wait. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.400 Go oh my god, why, I can't believe it. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.480 I can't believe it either. I'm so excited. Okay, so 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:23.280 I'm so excited. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.240 Well, we should tell everybody why we're here and what we're doing. Yeah, 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.639 I mean, well. 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.519 We're here because we're going to talk about rewatching Desperate Housewives. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.480 We are And the name of our podcast, which we 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.680 love so much, is desperately Devoted. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:38.720 And I really feel like. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.760 We named it that because we intend to be desperately 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.640 devoted to you are listeners, and in all ways in 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.920 terms of rewatching Desperate Housewives, but also in terms of 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.200 our relationship and what you want to hear us talk 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.160 about and what we want to share. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.519 With you that we hope is inspiring. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.440 And I love the idea of being desperately devoted to something. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.839 I mean, I'm so excited. As soon as we said 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:03.800 the name, I said, oh, okay, we've got it, like 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.120 we're ready, We're ready for the podcast. Yeah now. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.839 And I just can't believe that I am here with 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.520 my two daughters, one who actually came out of my 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.920 body and one who. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.440 I met when she was thirteen years old. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.360 Yeah, I know back in two thousand and four, yeap 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.240 well set of Desperate housews on with Silani Lane and 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.000 been friends ever since. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:27.320 I know. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.440 And I was just at your wedding yes year. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:31.600 I so special. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.639 This podcast has to happen just so that I can, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.240 you know, see you guys, because that's I feel. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.080 Well, that's that's what I say. I was as soon 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.280 as we talked about doing this, I said, I don't 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.040 need an excuse to hang out with my mom and 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.160 the closest thing I have to a sister. I'm an 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.560 only child. And Andrea, I mean we met when I 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.280 was seven, when you were thirteen, and it's a. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.280 Lot of life. We lived a lot of life. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.240 A lot of life at three generations of women. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.280 I know that thing. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:56.160 Wow. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.960 Okay, so we watched the pilot. Everybody watched the pilot 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.600 when we did not watch it together. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.400 I think people would be curious about that. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.680 We all have our individual lives and busy lives. And 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:06.920 so how did you watch it? 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.320 Emerson? 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.920 Yeah, so I actually watched the pilot on the plane 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.760 to Seattle. I was up on an island off the 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.000 coast of Seattle over the week, and I had seen 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.000 the pilot before. But as some people may or may 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.960 not know, I know, you guys know this. I this 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.799 is my first time watching Desperate Housewives all the way through. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.640 I've seen select episodes, obviously the pilot being one of them. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.120 But it is really going to be new for me. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.680 So I'm badly so exciting because I think right now, 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.080 I travel a lot, and I am meeting a lot 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.560 of people that are coming to Desperate Housewives for the 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.640 very first time. I see them on my Instagram, They'll 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.320 say I just finished watching it or I'm just starting 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.880 to watch it, which is sort of unbelievable because it's 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:51.960 twenty years old. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.040 But a lot of people are having that experience. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.760 So you're I'm one of those people. I'm also having 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:58.320 that experience. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:04:58.479 You know. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.560 It's interesting during COVID, a lot of friends who had 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.640 gone to college with who you know, Despert Housewives wasn't 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.320 on the air then, and this was now in twenty twenty, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.039 you know, right as we had graduated from college, and 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.360 I had all these friends from school calling me, going, wait, 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.200 is your mom Terry Hatcher like Susan Meyer's Terry Hatcher, 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.200 like the Terry Hatcher from Desperate Housewives? And I said, yes, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.279 yes she is. And now I'm getting to experience that 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.520 version of you all over again. Obviously I've seen things 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:24.880 behind the camera on set. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.039 I really just said, I can't wait to hear Emerson's 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.680 take on everything. I have so many questions I. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.480 Want to hear, I questions for everything, not just the show, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:33.520 just for everything. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:33.839 You know. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:38.320 She keeps me young and sort of moderately relevant into 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.720 what's happening. You just said something, and I think this 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.599 is maybe a first interesting fact, and I probably jumping. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.920 I had a tiny, tiny bit, but you just said 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:47.560 Susan Meyer. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:48.039 I know. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.279 As soon as I said it, I said, oh. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:54.160 Sh no, no, not right, No, it is the same thing. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.560 I caught the same down immediately. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.479 So this has been I mean this way through the 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.599 whole show and even now, and even now people talking 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.800 about it and whatever that in the pilot it went 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.200 and and for every episode after that, some people would 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.160 say Mayor and some people would say Meyer. And I 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.839 used to tell people it's like the hot dog. My 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.400 Bologney has the first name, it's O. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.320 S A. I belove he has the second name. I 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:22.520 love to read it every day. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.200 And if you ask me why, I'll say, because Oscar Meyer, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.640 not Mayor. Oscar Meyer has away with that hot dog. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.520 Well I'm never forgetting that now, right, I know. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.000 Do you remember that Mark Cherry when we had our 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.200 little one on one with him when we shot the 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.480 pilot before we shot the pilot. He uh, we asked, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.960 you asked, I'm sure, like, how do you pronounce you know, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.080 our last name? Is it Mayor or Meyer? And he 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.080 left it up to us and you and I chose Meyer. 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.760 Is that what happened? 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:57.840 And nobody listened to anything we said, but that's you're right. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.800 So anyways, it was within the one episode because I 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.480 feel like her last name was said twice. It was 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.640 it was the voiceover, it was Mary Alice, it was 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.640 Brenda who when I'm walking out of the house that 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.520 introduction where I'm going. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:15.280 To the wake or the. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.800 Memorial memorials where everyone brings food and we'll get to that, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.760 and she says, Susan Mayer, was this was. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.200 That last time her name's ever said? Yeah? 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:28.559 Yea yeah. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.320 But then later I think in the episode I say 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:33.200 that it's Meyer. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.040 When you introduced yourself to Mike, I think, I. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.520 Think, yeah, yeah. Anyways, but you would think that that 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:38.440 would be so okay? 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.520 That was that Personally, I'm kind of happy that I 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:45.000 got it right now. I something up. But so you 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:45.640 were on a plane. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:46.240 Where were you? 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.760 I was on my couch. I was sitting on my 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.320 couch and I was tucked in and I made myself 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.840 snacks and I was like in the in the zone, 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:59.760 and I cried immediately. I was gonna, did you cry? 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:01.320 What nostalgia? 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.880 I think nostalgia, pride, pregnancy hormones. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.320 I think for a lot of real. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.560 We should say that Andrea is pregnant with the congratulations with. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.800 My first baby with me and my Yeah, my husband 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.360 and I are expecting a little girl. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.400 So we really are for generations, Yes we are. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.720 Yeah, a baby's going to have a lot to say, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.800 a lot to say, a lot of opinions, but it's right, right. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.680 So you were on your couch with your snacks, yes, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.320 and yeah, what was what was your impression? 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.439 Oh my gosh. So I was immediately struck by a 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.920 few things. I would say that first, I had I 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.960 haven't seen the pilot since I think original I mean, 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.120 this was my second time seeing it MAYBEOWK. Yeah, I 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.720 don't think i've seen it since certainly not anytime recently. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:57.160 And I, like everybody, was so amazed by how much 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.600 the show had an identity from like the open. I 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.760 don't think that's common in pilots. I mean it had 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.880 this actual glow to it, which I didn't remember the 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.640 way it was shot, the way it was lit. Yeah, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.240 that they created this world that you just wanted to 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.880 like eat up right away. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:16.280 It was. It was amazing. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.439 So it aired October third, two thousand and four. Yes, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.720 and I actually I've said this before, but you know, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:28.240 not recently. I really feel like, you know, people wondered 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.120 why did this show become sort of the iconic thing 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.880 that it did, and you you know, they people would 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.680 ask did you know it was going to be a 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.079 big hit or whatever? And you know, I think all 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.079 you can ever know is that the pilot script was great. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.840 I mean, I think I got sent the pilot script. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.920 I have this memory of being by a pool somewhere. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.520 Like either at some resort hotel. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.559 In Arizona or maybe two bunch pollongs, I don't know, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.160 and I remember my manager sending it to me and 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.680 almost to kind of being like, we're going to try 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.280 to get you an audition, Like it wasn't even like 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.440 I necessarily would be able to get the audition. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.400 Let alone, you know, do the thing. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.880 And I have that feeling of reading it and just 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.800 being like, well, this is one of the best pilots 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:20.320 I've ever read, and also thinking which character would I 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.440 be and kind of relating to Lynette because I felt 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.920 very like Harry. You know, I was a single mom, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.200 but for some reason that I also felt like I 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.560 was also the breadwinner, which kind of felt Lynnette. The 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.240 only characters I really didn't feel like were Bree, Gabby, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:39.439 and Eatie. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.000 But I think Susan there. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.960 Would have been problems had been cast as Gabby. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:47.680 I think Susan and Lynette both spoke to me. Anyways. 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:53.200 You know, in this time, housewife, the idea of the 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:57.240 word housewife had really died off in the seventies, like 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.319 with the whole liberal burning of the raw, like that 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.800 era of women. You know, the housewife of the fifties 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.560 who was perfection and virtuous and you know had the 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:13.440 mid you know, very much the pre kind of iconic character. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.040 But that was sort of gone and nobody was really 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.839 using the word housewife. And so Mark Cherry, I mean, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.800 single handedly, you know, brought that word, that phrase the 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:30.400 housewife and the housewives like back into the culture with 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.840 no and and and you know responsible then. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.640 The real housewives absolutely. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.199 So I mean it was major, and it was major 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.600 because it was so good. And I had the same 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.000 impression you had, which is I can't believe I was 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:46.640 in this show. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:52.440 Like, it just was so good. It was so well shot. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.720 Every single line Brenda Strong with her her voiceover is 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:58.200 just god, yeah, flawless. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.360 Okay, I've talked for a long time. Somebody else, go no. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.640 I want to know your takeaways from yeah, right, about 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.880 like what you felt watching it, you know, like as 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.280 just someone who because you know it's different obviously we 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.800 all have different memories attachment to it, but also because 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.400 Emerson's such a talented writer, I want to know what 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.520 you thought of it, just from your own standpoint. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.120 Oh, thank you, Andrea, you know I so I was 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.079 really excited obviously, not just because we're doing this together 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.000 and I love you both, but to watch this show 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.880 as a screenwriter, the interweaving of these different women's narratives 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.280 in exactly what you described from that very establishing shot 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.760 where we see this kind of ethereal glowing with Steria Lane, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.920 which obviously becomes so iconic, and you still see it 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.079 even in the season of Hacks referenced on the Universal 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:46.880 Tour I. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.079 John Oliver referenced it as well. Oh oh, it was 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.679 a whole thing about Chuck Schumer and it's too long 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.080 to explain, but he basically referenced to shows. You referenced 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:58.920 Sex and the City, Any referenced to Desperate Housewives. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:12:59.200 Wow. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:04.120 Interesting, I mean, so I think you get this incredible. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.160 You know, it's never named where Westaria Lane is, and 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.520 it does feel yes, it aired, you know, in two 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.920 thousand and four in October, but it feels like this 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.120 any town kind of America. We all know a version 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.040 of this cul de sac, this suburban block. And I 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.120 think what Mark Cherry has done so well in establishing 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.960 the different housewives is exactly what you said, Mom. He's 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.840 captured these different personalities that I think, you know, most 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.800 women can see a version of themselves. And you know, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.440 you really feel for Susan's desperation and love for her daughter, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.360 but also kind of haplessness and the fact that she's 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.160 been abandoned, you know, she's been left by her previous husband. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.560 Then you also feel the empowered Lynette, who's a business 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.560 woman but who's also given that up to try to 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.880 experience motherhood, which I know so many women obviously do. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.079 And then agree, who is the you know, epitome of 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.640 everything up to be a quote unquote perfect mom. You 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.520 know that idea of the word trad wife. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.439 I think I thought of blame that to me, that's 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:10.360 is that a TikTok thing? 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.480 Yeah, yeah, it's on. I mean it's on. I'm not 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.840 on TikTok. Sokay for me to speak on what's on 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:21.840 TikTok is funny, but a youth y thank you you 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.200 are seven year old youth. No, I feel like, you know, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.880 it's this idea of a traditional that's what a trad wife. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.600 But it's like to the end degree, you. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.160 Know, to I don't want to let my child have 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.480 cereal out of the box, so I'm going to make 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.120 fruit loops from scratch from fruit that I grow on 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:42.920 a tree in my backyard. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.920 And were looking Christine and perfect. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.680 Because that's what a woman that is. You know, you would. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.880 Have been a really perfect TikTok star. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.200 I know, I don't know she would have been. And 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.000 I think it's interesting because I feel like this really 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.520 came up a lot during COVID, this idea of being 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.480 a I don't even want to necessarily just a housewife, 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.680 house man, housewoman, house non binary person. We were all 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.480 in our houses and we were kind of returning to 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.880 everyone was making sour dough everyone was trying to cook 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.720 at home, And in some ways I'm resentful of Bree 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.320 because I'm jealous. You know, I want to have time 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.680 to make everything from scratch and know how to sew 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.840 all the buttons back onto my clothes and not have 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.080 to take anything to the dry cleaner. And and then 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.560 it also, I, you know, have ambitions and desires that 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.600 just don't allow me the time or the wherewithal to 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:36.360 do something like that. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.800 I think part of do you think, I mean, well, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.960 first of all, do you guys feel like you are 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.520 any of the characters? I feel like one of the 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:50.080 reasons it resonated through generations of people is because we 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.960 can all see a little bit of our of each 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.800 of them in us, Like it's hard to say I'm 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:01.040 just this person. Yeah, but did you sort of gravitate 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.680 to words anybody? 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.480 That's so interesting? I think that I feel like I 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.280 will as I continue watching the show. I'm excited for that, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.280 because you know, rewatching the pilot is so It's just 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.280 I was so instantly flooded with memories and being transported 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.000 back to like being in my thirteen year old, fourteen 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.560 year old body. You know that I don't know that. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.720 I necessarily thought, Oh, I feel like I'm identifying with 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.600 so and so, you know, like obviously I feel connected 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.000 to Susan. Yeah, you know, so I'm excited to kind 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.160 of maybe this is a. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.840 Good time to just talk about how can I swear 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:37.680 in this podcast? 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:38.160 Yeah? 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:39.760 How fucking great you were? 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:45.080 She was the third team, I mean when she got 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.120 oh okay. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.080 First of all, I didn't get the first like laugh out. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.440 So I watched it by myself, by the way, watched 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.520 in my living room where my big screen TV is. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:56.840 So I watched it on the big screen. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.080 Many animals did you have with you? 0:16:58.440 --> 0:16:58.640 Uh? 0:16:58.960 --> 0:16:59.720 You know? None? 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.400 They were all downstairs because you have to go upstairs, 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.200 and the dog is too old to go up the stairs, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.800 so he stayed downstairs. And the cat is not that 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.359 friendly anyways. So I watch it alone, and I watched 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.119 it on the big screen in the living room, and 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.320 my first laugh out loud was you, and it was 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.240 it and it was the line. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:19.240 And then they. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:25.800 Laughed and then and they laughed, and I just laughed 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.879 out loud. Man, you were spunky. That scene where you 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:30.720 went over and it's just one line where you go 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:35.320 over to Mike's house, and you say that you kick 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.240 the soccer ball. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.000 In the thing and you're. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.600 Just so great, So like tell me, like, I remember 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.440 knowing this is my perception of working with you, and 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.679 immediately like in the pilot, where you know, we're just 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.040 getting to know each other in real time pretty much. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.160 I mean, people might think that we had like chemistry 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:56.440 reads and things like that, which we didn't. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:57.440 We yeah, we didn't. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.040 They thought it worked out. 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.480 Yeah, And I remember. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.800 Feeling like I really wanted to treat you, like I 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.560 want to say, like a real actress. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:10.600 But it's not like an. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.439 Adult actress, Like you would never go onto a set 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.480 with another adult and just assume that all the decisions 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.719 about the scene were going to be your way. You know, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.439 it's a it's a I mean, it might be the 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.199 director's way, but it's it's a you know, it's a 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.760 collaboration of what people's ideas were. And I always wanted 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.760 to treat you that way, and you equally like brought 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.080 I thought, like brought such such a grounded sense of 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.440 confidence for somebody so young. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:40.800 I mean she was thirteen. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.400 Wait, I'm so curious, Andrew, because mom, I know. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.240 I have so much to say in response I said, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:46.200 but well. 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.640 You talked about how you got the script. You were 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.159 maybe by a pool, potentially in Arizona or Palm Springs, Andrew, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.280 do you remember you. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:56.600 Got No, I don't remember when I got the script. 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.840 I don't know if I got the script before. You know, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.840 I just got my sides, you know, I do. I 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.320 do remember my first audition, which was a lovely experience, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.040 and it was kind of unique in that it was 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.679 a rainy Saturday in LA which is weird that it rained, 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.680 and that it was a weekend audition. And I remember 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.960 what I wore, which was ugly, but it felt it 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.639 felt like somehow right for the character. Not that I 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.400 thought she should wear something ugly, but it just felt 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.280 like the right shirt. Anyway. Maybe it was like a 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.680 good luck audition shirt, but it was like a short 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:31.520 sleeved striped peach and like cream colored collared shirt. Anyway, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.240 and I met with Scott Gangkincher, one of our lovely 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:39.200 casting directors, and and I think, if my ego isn't 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.760 serving my memory that he said that he gave me 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.160 a callback on the spot, and that he said, don't 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.840 change a thing. My callback, however, was a much scarier experience, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.919 which we can you know, talk about another time. But 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:59.240 I why, okay, my scary, my scary callback that big 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.280 that was like a stage thing where you're down on 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:02.840 the thing and all. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:03.600 The people from ABC. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:04.960 That was my screen test. 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:05.560 Oh okay. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.760 The callback was just I don't remember where it was, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.960 but it was just a regular casting room. But Mark 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.120 Cherry and Charles McDougal, the director of a pilot, and 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.760 our producers, yeah, were sat behind a long table, you know, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.840 all facing me. And I felt so confident going in 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.600 because I wore the same ugly shirt as. 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.639 I said, don't change. He said, I will not got it. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.320 You know, And and I went in and I did 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.280 my read and we did it was like three scenes 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.240 probably the three scenes or four scenes from the pilot 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.000 or whatever. And I had a great time and I 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.439 was feeling the vibes and it was good. And then 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.920 Mark Cherry had my headshot and resume you know, in 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.040 front of him, and he talked, we have you know, 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.399 he loves theater and Broadway and so he mentioned like 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.680 I had done Broadway in New York and it all 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.960 felt really good. And then Charles, who's lovely by the way, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.120 but he's you know, a British man. And he said 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.879 to me, did you coach with someone for your audition? 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:55.679 What? 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:56.479 Yes? 0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:00.800 And I was like, uh no, oh I did. I didn't. 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.560 I didn't work with an acting coach. I just kind 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.080 of ran the lines with my mom and dad. You know, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.359 he said, I'm thirteen, and I don't think yeah. He 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.119 gave He didn't really give me a reaction. He was 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.040 just like, Okay, that's good to know, thank you, you know. 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:17.200 And I by that because I couldn't interpret what it meant, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.520 and I interpreted as meaning something bad, and so I left. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.320 I had to go to ballet class. After that, I left. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:23.679 I went to my ballet class and I was so 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:25.679 worked up, which is unusual for me, because I was like, 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.320 you know, a professional kid. I didn't. I was like, 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.119 let it roll off your back. And I went to 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.240 ballet class and I couldn't stop thinking about that, and 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:33.920 I left in the middle it, went to the bathroom 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:34.760 and cried. 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.399 Oh, I know, wow, Charles McDougall, if you hear this, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:44.840 and you know he did, that was my I've never 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:45.880 heard of anything like that. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.040 And I actually think, and maybe this is what you're 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:50.480 going to say. 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.359 I don't know. I mean, yeah, go ahead, No, no 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.960 you gohad no, no, you go ahead, Okay, final'll go ahead. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.440 No I was gonna say. I actually I completely get 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.760 as a kid feeling like, oh my gosh, he's implying 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.880 that something is wrong. But I take it as actually 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.760 implying that you have really good natural instincts that whatever 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.080 you came up with on your own, he wanted to 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.000 know you'd come up with on your own, as opposed 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.359 to coaching with some acting coach who coaches dozens of 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.640 other child actors in LA. I agree, and that there's 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.240 actually like a natural spark that he was responding to. 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:23.040 Yeah, I agree that. 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.199 I agree that that's probably what he meant and what 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:27.160 he was seeking out. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.639 But it is weird. He was awesome. I mean, I 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:30.679 just pilot. 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.400 I would I Every time I think about the potential 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:37.720 of possibly ever creating some sort of comedy again, I 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:38.920 always think like, oh. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.639 What would I do if Charles mcdo? Who would direct it? 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.560 Oh? God, it's so great. But he had this quirky thing, 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.600 and this goes to the pilot. On the pilot, he 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.640 wore the same suit every day. Do you remember that no, 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.200 or or he wore a suit every day. It was 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.040 either and I know those are both like very distinct differences, 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:01.040 no one wearing suit or wearing a suit, but so 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.240 much so that suit was like wearing a suit was 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:08.280 just emblazoned into my brain that I went to all 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.600 the women on the show as a rap gift for 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.879 the pilot, and I said, do you guys want to 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.200 go in with me? I think we should buy Charles 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:20.240 a really nice suits. So I went to like Bloomingdale's 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.080 or Sacks or somewhere and got him a suit. 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.359 This is so you, You're so thank you gift for 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.160 the pilot, thank you gift for the end of the season, 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:29.560 for every birthday. 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.320 Gift giving, gift giving. I guess it's a love language. Yes, 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.000 and food, as you will see. Yes, I think we're 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:47.960 going to delve into the food moving along in the pilot. 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:52.080 What would it so we all think Westeria Lane became 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.560 a star constantly, Yes, I mean I mean a character. 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.240 I mean that's right, and and. 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.600 And every just it's all I'm almost when I say like, 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:04.639 I'm surprised, I can't believe I was in it is 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.199 is stepping back and looking at that initial pilot I 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:09.080 mean the. 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.280 Music was dancing Elmore. 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.960 How did they do how did they get Danny Elfman pilot? 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:16.720 I saw that. I saw that in the credits and 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.320 I said, oh my god, Danny Elfman did the music 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:19.520 for this. 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:21.520 That would be interesting to find out. 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:24.680 Dream composer Dream amazing. 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:28.240 Yeah, So that was amazing. Every single actor was amazing. 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.119 The writing was amazing, the lighting was amazing, the editing 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:38.080 was amazing. You know again, Brenda Strong, the voiceover was amazing. 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.120 I mean every opening that just to just to one 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.600 moment on Brenda Strong and the opening of the pilot. 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.239 You know, she's narrating how it's an ordinary day and 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:52.359 then it ends in her suicide, the cold open, which 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:56.159 was unheard of for an opening of a pilot at 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:59.119 that time on TV. And I think from the minute 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.320 like that, pop goes off and then we cut so 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.960 gesiusly to Martha Hubert, and to me, that just set 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.320 the tone for the entire show. It's going to be 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.879 a show about looking into the lives of. 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:12.760 Other people and their darkest moments. 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.240 How much do we actually want to know about our neighbors? 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.239 And also this really interesting idea that I have been 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.159 sitting with since I watched it of the kind of 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:25.679 mayhem of suburban boredom, you know, like the idea that 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.919 our neighbors are on our blocks. You know, the Martha 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.879 Hoober character who's just waiting to have a reason to 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.840 go knock on someone else's door or stir something up, 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:36.960 and she kind of becomes a catalyst for a lot 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.639 of the action and also really smart, you know, narration 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.800 device between the different women's lives, how she returns the 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:50.240 blender returns whatever. Yeah, I just I found that so interesting. 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.879 And I think I heard that this Mark Cherry was 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:56.560 originally inspired to write Desperate Housewives after hearing about a 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.920 murder case of a mother in Texas who killed her 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:01.320 for five kids. 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:02.400 Yeah, I think that's true. 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:06.880 Yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't personally talk to him 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.040 about it, so I know that that's you know, kind 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.640 of stuff that you read, but I know that he 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.479 worked on it for a long time. Yeah, Like, and 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:18.439 that it was a spec script and god bless the specscript. 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.240 I know. Well, I mean, you know it is it's 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:21.880 as a writer. 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:23.560 I mean, you could probably talk to that, Like, I 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.640 don't know if people really know the difference between specscripts 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.760 and you know what happens. I mean, things have changed 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.240 a lot, obviously in Hollywood in the last twenty years, 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.359 but what was happening then was mostly that you would 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.280 go to the network with a treatment. You would pitch it, 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.200 maybe you would have an actor attached, and the network 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.880 would pay the writer to write the script, and then 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.560 if they liked that pilot, then they would actually film 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.800 the pilot, and then if they liked the filmed pilot, 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:53.879 then they would put it on the air for a season. 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.320 And that was kind of how it worked. It was 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:57.560 pretty rare. 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.919 That somebody would walk in with an already done, developed 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:06.159 specscript completed and say do you want to make this? 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.240 I mean, that was very rare and I do think 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.639 that that. You know, Netflix kind of turned that on 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.600 its head. When Netflix first started, they had like the 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:19.720 opposite mandate, which was they wouldn't you had to have 0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.639 your finished script, And that's what kind of yeah, and 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.680 that's what kind of began. The the writer doesn't get 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:30.560 paid to write the script and then the writer gets 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.120 paid when the thing gets made. When the other way 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:34.800 the way I was saying, you go pitch it and 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.399 then the network pays you to write the pilot. That 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.880 seems to have gone by the wayside. 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:40.119 You know. 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.120 It's interesting because as you're talking about, like the way 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:45.480 things have changed, I was something I kept thinking about 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.760 consuming the show is you know, Desperate Housewise was, as 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.280 people called it, appointment television, right, they would sit down 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:53.000 every Sunday. 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:57.800 That's the thought I didn't finish, by the way, go ahead, Okay, Well, 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.639 and so I wonder, and there's no way for us 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:02.400 to know, but I do wonder. 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.280 I guess there is because this is how some people 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.400 probably are watching it and experiencing it for the first time, 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.640 the idea of like binging it because we would wait 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:12.840 a week, Right, did you watch the show in real time? 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.960 I think I did watch it in real time if 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.520 Emerson was asleep. And this does. 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:22.560 Nine mem on Sunday? 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:23.480 Yes, yes, And. 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:27.359 This does bring me back to the point I was 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.159 going to make that I dropped off of, which was 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.239 when people ask you, did you know it was going 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:31.800 to be a hit? 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:32.680 Yeah? 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.040 And I knew it was a great script. 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.320 But I've always said this that the fact that it 0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.240 was aired on a Sunday night and not at eight 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.800 o'clock and not at ten o'clock, but at nine o'clock 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:51.040 and as a single mom, I absolutely related to I 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:55.360 am up early, I am going all day. It is kid, kid, kid, kid, kid, 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.320 It is wife. You know, husband, husband, husbands whatever, whatever. 0:28:58.360 --> 0:28:58.640 I mean. 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.440 I was divorced, but I mean that's what the experience 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.680 of being a mom and a wife is, and that 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.200 one hour you've got the kid to bed on Sunday night, 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.040 but it's not so late that you can't be that 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.880 you have to go to bed. That one hour is 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:20.120 like your hour. And I really feel that if they 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.600 had put it on Thursday night, where they had like 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.720 Gray's Anatomy and some other I just I'm not. 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.280 Sure it would have worked. I felt. 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:32.080 I feel like they just women collectively were like, this 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:33.000 is my hour. 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:34.960 Wow, don't bother me. 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:39.240 It just goes to show, though, how many different factors 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:43.200 went in to make it just like lightning in a bottle. Yeah, 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.800 I mean it really was, because you know, you said 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.400 how great everyone is, and that was something else like 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.360 watching it as a thirteen year old and whatever, fourteen 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:53.000 year old when it aired the first time, I think 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:54.880 I was so excited and proud to be a part 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:56.560 of it. And you know, of course I thought everyone 0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.520 was amazing watching it again now with just more life 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.920 experience and a lot more acting experience and all the things, 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:08.040 I mean, really everything about it was so fantastic for 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.800 any show, for a pilot. I mean, it was just 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.800 so impressive. And by the first commercial break you had 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.680 met all the main players, and you didn't just meet them, 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:21.160 I mean you really felt like, ah, I've got insight 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.120 into who these people are and. 0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:27.040 Around this great mystery. Yeah. Yeah, the whole season it was. 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:34.400 An unbelievably well executed fusion of storytelling and chemistry of 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.520 the character, the actors actually playing these characters, and whatever 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.720 magic happens that those characters come off the page and 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:45.800 become real. I don't know, I'm not sure. 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.520 I always thought all of. 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.920 The people in the show were great, but somehow Marcia 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:56.520 is resonating with me, at least in this first few episodes. Yeah, 0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:01.200 I just I you know, I know, I'm not going 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.320 to get into like their state of mind because I 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.760 don't know what their journey was, so I'm here to 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:12.400 represent my journey. But I kind of recall her feeling 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.200 like maybe she wasn't so good with comedy and all. 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.560 If she ever hears this, and if she ever thought 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:25.120 she wasn't she was. I mean, the timing of the 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.680 muffin I'm gonna need the basket it was about. 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.080 To say, that is flawless. 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.520 It's absolutely flawless. It's perfect. 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.600 The line where they're in the hospital and you tried 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.720 to kill me and she says, well, well, I feel 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:42.600 badly about that. 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:47.120 I mean, just no, it's pitch perfect. She really is. 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.880 So she's really she's really jumping off the screen at me. 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:50.320 She was. 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.320 I mean, you know, but it's it's not a battle 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.600 of who's better. It just it's interesting to rewatch, really excellent. 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:02.080 The comedy is so sharp alongside the drama and the mystery. 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.880 I mean, Lynette's character at the way the memorial when 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.280 the kids get into the pool and then she just 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:10.960 dives into that pool. Hm, oh my god. 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:12.920 And she has the one strand of hair and she 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:14.720 like flicks it and she says, I'm sorry, we have 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.440 to leave now, you know, yeah, I know, on whatever 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.200 bit of dignity, she's still in a muster. It's it's 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.040 really it's funny and it's poignant, and it was and it. 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.800 Somehow feels believable still, you know, I feel like we 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:26.760 could that happens? 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:27.440 Yeah, that's why. 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.920 And I was gonna say, do you like again because 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.080 you were so young when it aired originally and now 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.320 here we are in twenty twenty five. Do you feel 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:40.239 like the relationships, the the things that the show was 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:44.440 trying to say, do they still feel culturally relevant? I mean, 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.840 did any of it? You know how they'll say sometimes oh, well, 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.360 that's you can't say that anymore or whatever, like like, 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:56.920 I feel like it's it's it translates. Well, I feel like, yeah, 0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:57.680 I think. 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.640 I agree too. I mean I was gonna say, I, 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:01.480 as I said, I'm watching it for the first time, 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:05.080 so I've only watched the first two episodes. Okay, so 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.040 maybe it's you know, to say, how is the overall 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.720 themes commenting on culture? You know a little bit early 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.200 for me to tell, although I do think all of 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.240 the different women, you know, Gabby and Brie and Lynette 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:23.400 and Susan, they all feel really relevant and still relatable 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.640 different parts of their struggles and their isolations and their 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.200 joys and failures. I totally felt connected to I think, 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.240 you know, it's interesting that you ask did anything stand 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:36.120 out like, oh god, that's you know, cancelable now. The 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.000 one thing that stood out and I actually wrote it down. 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:43.800 I said, how do we feel about women being called sluts? 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:49.480 Missus Huber calls Edie a slut in the pilot. 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:51.640 I wrote it down as one of my favorite lines 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.320 I did. I did flag it as being like, wow, 0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.080 we probably wouldn't say it now, but but you know 0:33:58.160 --> 0:33:59.840 that kind of biting, stinging thing. 0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.120 Was Oh, I mean I think, but yeah, I would 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.120 one hundred percent still write a character like Missus Hooper 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.360 now who makes those kinds of comments. You know, she's 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.920 another singer in the second episode that I will save 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:15.040 until we talk about that next. But I yeah, I 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.000 think she's hilarious, and I think it's you know, she 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.560 is just on the line of what is appropriate or 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:26.960 not appropriate tearing other women down, being a friend in quotation, 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:28.320 because they are the kind. 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.839 Of each other's like partner, you know. Like I thought 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.880 that was really interesting because I didn't remember the dynamic 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:37.640 between Edie and Missus Houber being like they were kind 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.800 of I don't know, yes, friends, like they were in 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.000 a lot of scenes together, and I didn't really remember that. 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.200 But I thought that contrast was great. But I did 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.600 think that something and Honestly, I don't know how deep 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:52.200 I want to wade into these waters because but I 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:56.880 wonder how we feel about the John the Gardener. I 0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:58.799 was actually wrote it down as something to talk to 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.600 you about Emerson, because I thought that you might have 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:03.560 a really interesting take on it, or at least a 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:08.560 really well kind of fair opinion on that story. 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:09.040 Yeah. 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.680 Well, I definitely have more to say about that character 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:16.040 in the second episode too, but John, about John, okay, 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.279 and about some specific things about his character, I guess 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.480 I can say in terms of they're affair starting to 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:24.760 be exposed in the pilot, you know that we see 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.319 Gabby as this beautiful woman who seemingly has it all 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.680 except of course, love and passion in her marriage, which 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.840 I feel like is honestly something we just saw explored 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.399 in The Materialists, that movie that just came out. 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:39.200 Oh I didn't see that. 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:40.120 I haven't seen it either. 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.759 Yeah. Great, Dakota Johnson, Pedro, Hascal Slein song. You know 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:45.560 who wrote Past Lives, which I love. 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:46.200 Yeah, I love it. 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.200 And I've heard that this was actually I don't know 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.920 the movie she wrote before Past Lives, So sometimes that happens. 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.480 But kind of this idea age old idea of like, 0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.040 is the life with the money and the security that 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:03.640 we want worth it if it's ultimately lacking that spark 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:08.319 for actual passion and meaning and meaning, right, you know, 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.840 is it worth having that facade? And I think I 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.680 think it's easier to show that when you see Gabby 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.640 have that spark and passion with someone else. You know, 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.520 it would be different if she was just talking about it. 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.160 But to see what she has with John the gardener, 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.520 and then to see the kind of loveless that she 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:31.680 has with her actual husband, you know. Infidelity, I think 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:33.520 is so interesting. And I know Andrew, you and I 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.000 have talked about this, not on this podcast, my own 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.920 personal ideas of I feel like I fall on the 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.239 I'm not saying that I would cheat on someone. I 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.719 fall on the more lenient side of I don't know 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.279 that infidelity to me is an immediate deal breaker. I 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:55.840 think an ongoing affair would be, because it's the lying part, 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.719 but the actual cheating part I think is sometimes indicative 0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.440 of underlying issues in a relationship that you know, if 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.800 you really love someone, maybe you want to address and 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.919 and work through. And to me, that's not ever been 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.120 something that I feel like I wouldn't be able to 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.919 get past. Of course, you know Gabby's character toast the line, 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.920 it does seem a little bit like it actually, you know, 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.840 is an ongoing affair, but also it's clearly indicative of 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:20.759 an underlying But. 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:23.800 Yeah, well, I want. 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:24.880 To talk about the second episode. 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.239 Okay, yeah, because they definitely we hear that more about 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.080 in the second episode. But there is the line of 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:32.840 the you're much too young to smoke? Is that in 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:34.520 the second episode or is that in the first episode 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.160 when he says can I have a drag? After they've 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.719 had sex? I think I think that's in the first episode. 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.120 So in the first episode, after Gabby and John have 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.560 had sex, she's puffing on a cigarette, right, and he says, 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.160 can I have a drag? Or something like that, and 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:48.600 then she says, oh, you're much too young to smoke. 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.239 And it's so great for television, right, Like it's such 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:54.200 a funny dichotomy to present. But also it just has 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.600 me thinking about that, right because my character was thirty 0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:58.480 years You. 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:00.800 Feel like, and I'm going to have to be aware 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.040 of this as we're watching it, because I do. It 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.120 is resonating in my mind that like, even after eight seasons. 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.040 I feel like it was a question that I always 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:16.239 wondered if Gabby was ever going to get nailed for 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.200 sleeping with somebody underage. 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.719 Right, And. 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.160 I mean I felt that way for all the years 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.480 that we know, was that ever going to be a storyline? 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.080 And I don't believe I never did get addressed. 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.120 I don't. Well, I guess we'll find out. I guess 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.560 we'll find out. But yeah, I wonder it too, And 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.080 I wonder how that I would love, you know, the 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.279 people who are just discovering the show now, especially the 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.839 ones on the you know, younger side of things, or no, 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.799 not even really specifically the ones on the younger side 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.560 of things, but just to hear what their takeaways are 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:50.600 of that, because to introduce a character, and you love 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.920 Gabby right like you love all the women. That's another 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.960 big part is I feel like you instantly love these 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.680 people and you care about them, and so it's really 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:02.560 interesting that they gave her something like that that could 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.880 be so polarizing and could make her so unlikable, and 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.960 yet it was handled in a way where you got it. 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.600 I guess, you know, you kind of understand. 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.160 I think they got at least in the pilot, Like, 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.279 I think some of the more express things you're talking 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:19.480 about don't get totally revealed in the pilot. I had 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.439 much more of a question about him after the first episode, like, yes, 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.279 he seems young, but how young is he? We don't know? 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.399 Okay, so then we'll we'll that. 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.480 Yeah, which, Okay, I have something did? I have a 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.719 couple of things to point out. Did anybody notice what 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:34.680 is on my neck? 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:36.480 I've noticed it. It's very pretty. 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.960 I notice. I'll tell you because I noticed immediately when 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:43.320 we've walked into this podcasting room and for the podcast. 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.560 Here we are now that you were wearing two of 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:50.280 the necklaces that Susan wore on the pilot. 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:53.439 In the pilot, Yes, all three of these. All three 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.319 of these. Yeah. So which which says? 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:57.480 Which are your necklaces? 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.640 Arsenal necklaces? Which that has to say? 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.960 I have to say, again, I don't remember everything, but 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:10.719 you have to wonder why was I wearing my own necklaces? 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.359 Maybe they were emotional support, Maybe they made you feel safe. 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.520 I mean, it could have it could have done that. 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.879 But I also sort of feel like I have this, 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:22.839 I have this loose recollection of like at the beginning 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:27.640 the whole like wardrobe, hair, makeup. It's just like, I'm 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.359 not sure they realized they were doing a show with 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:37.239 five women. Like I kind of feel like maybe somebody 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:38.759 didn't get the memo. 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:42.680 We change it, yeah, years ago, so maybe. 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:44.680 I mean, it's a lot. 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:46.960 That's a lot of costumes, that's a lot of hair 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.480 and makeup. That's a lot of women that need attention. 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.960 And but yes, so one of these necklaces has a 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:59.560 little heart and a little Lucky Penny and they were 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:04.879 both charms off of my childhood charm bracelet. And then 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.160 the other one is a little Saint Christopher and that 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.719 is supposed to be like for traveling, yeah, like for 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.799 safety and trust, and and then so is the red one. 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:19.319 And I wore this on different different outfits. And I 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:20.840 don't know actually. 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:21.319 What the reason was. 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.480 Maybe you're right, maybe it was to kind of give 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:27.120 me a grounded sense. I mean I could see myself 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:31.120 doing that, but uh yeah, but when I watched it, 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.560 I was like, those are my necklaces. 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.719 I borrowed those. 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:49.399 Oh that's so great. Okay, So obviously I've known Terry 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.319 a long time. I've known Terry for over half my life. 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:56.520 I have known. Yeah, it's so weird, you know, yeah, 0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.640 And I always knew what it was like to work 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:01.960 with you, right, Like I watched the way you'd show 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.600 up to set, and you always came like just so chuck, 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.759 full of ideas and so prepared, and you know, I 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:09.840 was always in awe of you as an as an actor. 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:15.520 Thank you and Rewatching the pilot, I mean, you're so good. 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:19.040 You are so so good I feel I mean, it's weird, 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.439 right because I'm I was your on screen daughter, and 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.560 you know whatever, but I feel so proud of you 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.600 watching it. I'm just like, I'm actually felt really proud 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:27.200 of both of us. 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.480 I was like, you know what, I felt proud of you. 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:38.640 Well, well, here's a little I ran into Michael Edelstein 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.400 actually not that long ago. He was one of the 0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:45.279 producers on the show, and he said to me that 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:49.239 he tells a story about the pilot and something I 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:53.480 did all the time to people as this is what 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.480 an actor does, like this is and I was like, wow, 0:42:56.520 --> 0:43:00.960 this is this is very complimentary. He remains, speaking of 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:06.520 wardrobe that I was kind of like, I don't think upset, 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.960 but I was just like I needed to know from 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.360 the wardrobe department, what the costume was that I was 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.520 going to be wearing for the scene. When I go 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:19.719 over to meet Mike and Edie also comes up with 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.719 her putin esca or whatever, and it's both of us 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.520 there at the door, competing for his attention, and that 0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.480 he recalls me being with the ward department. I really 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.680 need to know that in advance. It's important to me. 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.920 And they couldn't quite understand why it was important. And 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.720 he couldn't even really quite understand why it was important. 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.880 And he said, and then when you requested a cardigan, 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.760 like you wanted to make sure that the sweater opened 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.360 and not a sweater that you put over your head. 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.640 And then I saw you do the scene, and I 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.399 saw you do this comedic thing, and he said, he said, 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.279 he tells everybody that was not in the script, that 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:56.520 was completely not in the script. 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:57.480 She just totally did that. 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:01.239 She said, you did this thing where you looked over 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:04.800 at her breath and then you looked down at your breast, 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.120 and then you took the sweater and kind of like 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:12.160 closed it over your breast, and that told so much of. 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.200 The story of who. 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.440 Susan was in this moment and he goes, and that 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:22.399 was all you. That was completely not anywhere, And that 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.799 was the day that I went, oh, my gosh, Terry 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.840 Hatcher is a great actress and I have to like, 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:27.600 I mean, it. 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.279 Is true though, like that is a subtle, but. 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.600 It was years later somebody like I was like, you. 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:37.640 You're talking about it is so revealing of her kids. 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:37.880 It is. 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.359 Yeah, and also you know, it's just it's an amazing moment, 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.680 but it also it really kind of hints at the fact, 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.000 as we will explore as the show goes on. But 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:51.319 like talk about physical comedy. I mean, Terry, I was 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.040 on the set with you in multiple occasions where you 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.640 were so committed to the physical comedic moment that you 0:44:57.719 --> 0:44:59.560 actually injured yourself pretty bad. 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.520 I believe there. Like, yeah, there's a couple of times 0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:02.680 damaged cornea. 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:08.680 Yeah, wait so, but I just wanted you guys being 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.600 in scenes together and the thing that's sitting between us 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.719 in the room. I want to know about the very 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:19.000 iconic scene at the wake when Susan shows up with 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.680 the horrible macaroni and cheese and what that was like 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.080 for both of you, and maybe we can talk about 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:23.960 that a little bit more. 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.920 Okay, Well, first of all, I think it's a funny 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.240 thing that people confuse. 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:29.720 You with your character. 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:34.760 Like I would say a predominant characteristic that has happened 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.640 in my relationship with my fans over the last twenty 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.560 years is that people will say to me, you can cook. 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:42.160 I didn't know you can cook. 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.680 Susan can cook, and I'm like, okay, I'm not Susan. 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:49.479 I know it seems like, yes, I was a single mom, 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.160 she was a single mom. But that's pretty much where 0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:54.200 we share a face. 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:56.800 That's anyways. 0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:00.719 So, but about that scene, it actually was. It's part 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.080 of what I love about physical comedy. And I don't know, 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.200 it'd be interesting to see how you remember it, but. 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:07.680 It was very choreographed, like it. 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.520 Was to the point where I think there may have 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.279 been fishing line for the foil, for the. 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:14.560 Foil that's coming off. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.840 I think you're selling yourself short because I do remember, 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.680 and I actually wrote it down because I don't know 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:22.279 if I ever told you, And it was one of 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:25.719 my first impressions of you, was the fact that you 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:30.239 could and maybe you didn't if there was fishing. I 0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:31.680 think we talked about it, but I think you you 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.200 were like, let me try. I think I might be 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.719 able to get it to go, and she did. She 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:37.440 walks down the street right, and you're it's like we're 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.120 closing the door, we're walking down the street. We've got 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:40.880 to get it's a walk and talk, you know, So 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.000 there's always an art form to that. And they she 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.680 you were able to get that foil to lift off 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:48.680 that mac and cheese and the right moment, and again 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.480 it's like it's showing that you're a harried, kind of frazzled, 0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:55.440 you know person. And I think that was. 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:56.920 All you think I did. I think that was all 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.440 I don't But I guess the reason I'm remembering the 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:00.000 fishing line. 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.480 We must have talked about it with Charles, like like 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:06.320 because I knew that it was part of the comedy, 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.879 like we've got it's part of what you're and this 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:10.520 is what was so what you were saying about the 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.840 first five minutes of the show, you feel like you 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.880 know everything, you feel you know and and that's what 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.960 made it, those little moments that you you and and 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:21.920 again not sure if I remember if that was in 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:25.000 the script or not, but yes, so horrible macaroni cheese. 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.880 So I felt like under cook on arm podcast. 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:33.200 People, but we all love food. Emerson and I have. 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:37.440 We spent her childhood every summer going on epic trips 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:40.480 around the world going to We used to get the 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.560 fifty best Restaurant in the World list for the year, 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:47.160 and we used to try to pick an area and 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.880 then go to as many restaurants as we could in 0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:54.200 that area. And we have a tradition of huge Christmas 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.640 Eve dinner where we do lots of cooking. And I 0:47:56.680 --> 0:48:00.719 know you amazing cook Andrea, and love cooking, so we 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:04.480 thought that we would make the Food of Desperate Housewives 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:09.000 a part of our podcast. I made since I just 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.319 want to prove to everybody that I can't cook. I 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.200 made a gourmet for cheese mac. 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:18.200 Oh my gosh, Oh my god. 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:19.120 Oh my god. 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.600 Okay, wow, I wish you could to begin now, I know, 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:24.080 Oh my god. 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:26.680 I want to know more Andrew, about what you remember 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.040 about that scene. And I also, once my mom is 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.840 done dishing out her not terrible mac and cheese, but 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:35.440 I want to know about what she remembers about meeting 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.920 Jamie also because that was like there first, yeah, and 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:40.640 what a seen. 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.040 I know, I have to come back for this he 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:46.680 had to be called James. We all called him Jamie. 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.360 Oh gosh, he remember, Oh yeah, he wanted to be James. 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.359 He thought Jamie was like too. 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:58.399 I'm so sorry, Well, James, James is honestly super cute. Yes, 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:01.440 But but Andrew, you comment on yours, What do you 0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:05.240 remember of that that mom because it's such an iconic 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.200 scene where you see everybody together for the first time. 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.799 Yeah, you know, I don't. I really more remember the 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.080 scene with Terry and I just crossing the street, you know, 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:18.359 because I really loved that dialogue, that back and forth 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:23.960 between Susan and Julie, you know, where I say, you know, 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:25.759 why would someone kill themselves? I mean, it's such a 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.000 like stop in the middle of the street moment. And 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.840 I think as a mother, right, like you're always fielding, 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.000 or as a parent, I should say, you're fielding these 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:36.879 heavy hitter questions that your kids just kind of throw 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.560 at you casually and you have to figure out in 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.359 the moment how to respond, and you know, you give 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.480 a perfect response in my opinion, it's like it satisfies 0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:46.359 the question without saying too much. And you're like, well, 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:49.279 sometimes people appear differently, you know, on the outside than 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.120 they are on the inside. And then you know, I 0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.319 Julie says the thing about like, oh, you mean how 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:57.960 Dad's girlfriend, you know, always acts like she's nice, but 0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:02.200 deep down she's a bitch, and you then say, you're like, well, 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:03.959 I don't like that word, but yes, that's a great thing. 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:05.239 Yea. 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.560 All that little back and forth I just loved so much. 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:10.960 And I remember, like, you know, to your point, and 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:12.880 I did want to circle back, just really briefly to 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:15.759 the fact that you mentioned wanting to treat me as 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.840 a coworker, wanting to treat me as a fellow actor, 0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:21.440 and that meant so much to me. Still means so 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.239 much to me, But it was something I felt from 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.279 day one with you, was that I did feel like 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:31.080 and I took myself very seriously as a child performer, 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:33.640 and I felt like I had a job to do 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.440 and I wanted to be respected, and I wanted to 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:38.800 be professional and all the things, and not everybody treats 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:42.279 children on set that way, and you always did, and 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.960 it means so much to me. But I also think 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:49.480 it really it really shaped kind of how we settled 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:51.839 in and the dynamic that Susan and Julie had. 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.640 Yeah, yeah, I love that moment that you're talking about too, 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:55.759 and I know we're going to get to eating this 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.759 amazing mac and cheese, But just that question of why 0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.239 would someone kill themselves, which really is the question that 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:04.959 sets all of our protagonists on the course of trying 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:07.680 to investigate this over the course of the season. And 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.040 it was the one moment because Susan is such a 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:15.160 different mom than mom you were to me. But the 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:18.279 way she responds in that moment, with that level of 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:23.000 kind of pause and thoughtfulness and also maturity. You know, 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.560 she's not talking down to a kid or trying to 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.160 explain something away about why someone might do something as 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.200 drastic as taking their own life. It really did remind 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.120 me of you. I that was the one moment where 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.160 I said, oh, I feel like that is how my 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.040 mom would talk to me when I was that age 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.239 and answer that question. And then I really saw it 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:42.759 and that's good. Yeah, I mean I guess, yeah, that's good. 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.359 Yeah, Yes, I raised a good kid. 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:50.320 Everyone really well rounded. Interesting. 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.279 Okay, I know, like, do we try this? 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:55.640 Yeah, I know, and it should be hot. It was 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:57.040 hot when we got here, but. 0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:59.640 It's going to be pretty I'm literally in my mouth 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:00.000 as water. 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.920 I don't know if we're allowed to like choose. 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.560 Oh my god, Oh my god, I know right the. 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:08.439 Chewing side are gonna go over really well. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:12.279 Okay, honestly, you guys, I watch a SMR like all 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.239 the time. Do well, not the chewing one because I 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:15.759 hate that. It's what we're doing right now. 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:19.279 What ones do you watch. 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.160 Like where they do your makeup. They're like, oh, we're 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.560 gonna like tap on your favorite, like put on this 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:26.960 eyeshadow and we're gonna. 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.799 Okay, I really do watch that all the time. 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:31.040 Not all the time, but like. 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:33.720 About my daughter. 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.040 Really, it's so relaxing. If I'm like, want to fall asleep. 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:40.760 Of amount of planes into any cool category, well definitely doesn't. 0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:41.640 Well this doesn't. 0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:44.400 But like you have a community, and CMR is like 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:47.520 a community of community. Make sure that my weird like 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:51.120 internet indulgence is part of anything anyone does, which is 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:56.200 that I like to watch people pack. Yeah, so I 0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:59.879 think that I like watching like disorganized chaos turn into 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:00.920 organized chaos. 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.800 Is this like on an Instagram reels. 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:06.040 Like when people test out like luggage or like a 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:07.880 bag and they show you how much stuff they can 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.560 fit in it, and I find that to be really calming. 0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:12.759 At what time of day do you watch, oh you 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.440 know late night? Yeah times, No, that's what I assumed, 0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:16.240 but I didn't want. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.799 To watch our secret videos. 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:22.239 Okay, mom, this mac and cheese is so good. Can 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.600 you give us just like what is the. 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:26.360 Talk about the choice of noodle and talk. 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.359 About what's your what's your one secret about making your 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:31.160 mac and cheese that Susan would never know? 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.680 Okay, well, you want your pasta whatever kind of elbowie 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:39.120 shape it is. You want it to be al dente 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.040 because you're also gonna bake it in the oven after 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:42.920 you boil it. 0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:46.000 I use it's it's. 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:49.240 Three cheeses in the sauce, but then parmesan on the top, 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:52.720 so it's really four cheeses. And my my my secret 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:57.480 combo is Manchego white cheddar and grey air. This has 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.279 been I don't know, I feel like so collect we 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:01.160 all love the pilot? 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:02.799 Oh god, ten out of ten? 0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:04.480 Yeah, yeah, I'm out of ten. 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:04.960 Really. 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:05.799 I mean that. 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:07.839 I'm not just saying that because I love the two 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.000 of you and we're doing this podcast. 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:11.200 Oh they're not all going to be ten. 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:14.440 And you'll call that out that's true, but this is 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:15.319 a big, big hit. 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:19.359 Yeah, that's really the pot I've ever seen. I think 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:21.080 it is the best pilot of any show I've ever seen. 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.759 And I've consumed a lot of television, and I don't 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.400 know that I got it. I mean I obviously got 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:27.000 it at the time, right, like I thought, oh gosh, 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:30.120 everyone loves it and that's so great. But watching it now, 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:32.640 after having seen so much more television in my life. 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:32.680 I. 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:37.960 Yeah, they say really something about nostalgia. Now. 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:40.040 I know for you, you haven't seen it before, so maybe 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.680 this doesn't apply. But they do say that some of 0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:47.280 the reason that people are enjoying going back and watching 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.360 things that they're familiar with is because it lands in 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.839 our brain in a safer place, like we don't have 0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.520 the unpredictability of like what's going to happen, so there's 0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:01.719 less stress. And so that's why everyone should join us 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:06.040 and start watching Desperate Housewives again and talking with us 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.760 about it and sharing it. I think we want people 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.080 to write in and got us let us know, Like 0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:15.000 if you have questions or thoughts about the show or 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.839 about life or anything you think the three of us 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:19.600 could help you with, we would love to be there 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:23.120 for you because we are desperately devoted to you. 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:28.359 Yes, I can't us see you next week