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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tenny,

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Speaker 1: and this is desperately devoted a rewatch podcast about the

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Speaker 1: iconic television series Desperate Housewives. Whether you're watching the show

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Speaker 1: for the hundredth time or the first time like me,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're so glad that you're here, and we of

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Speaker 2: course are going to be watching all eight seasons and

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Speaker 2: getting into all the behind the scenes with all the

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Speaker 2: entertaining classic iconic moments, but we're also using it as

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Speaker 2: a springboard to talk about things like relationships and.

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Speaker 3: Being a woman and motherhood.

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Speaker 1: And all of the cultural references from Y two K

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Speaker 1: up until today.

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Speaker 4: So we're glad you're here, and today.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the pilot.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: My gosh.

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Speaker 3: I can't start at the very beginning.

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Speaker 2: This is a very exciting episode. It starts with a bang,

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Speaker 2: a bang, start with you got it? It starts with

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Speaker 2: the bang.

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Speaker 3: We really like to start with discussing each of our

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Speaker 3: favorite moments from the episode. So I would love to

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Speaker 3: hear your favorite moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, I have to say I I felt what

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Speaker 2: stood out to me in this episode crazy enough was

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Speaker 2: the neighborhood itself. I just think with steria, Lane is

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Speaker 2: an absolute star. Totally yeah, yeah, the neighborhood. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: hear you, and I can't wait to talk more about her.

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Speaker 3: I would say my top moment is the cut to

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Speaker 3: missus Huber licking off what appears to be blood off

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Speaker 3: actually ketchup.

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Speaker 1: It's such a perfect blend of the dramatic moment into

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Speaker 1: the comedy. And I think my favorite moment, well, there

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Speaker 1: are so many, but I think my favorite moment from

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Speaker 1: this episode has to be Lynette going into the pool

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Speaker 1: at Mary Alice's house during the wake to pull her

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Speaker 1: children out of the pool. I think it perfectly marries

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Speaker 1: this heightened world that we live in throughout Desperate Housewives

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Speaker 1: with the real, honest, emotional depth of the desperation that

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Speaker 1: women experience and people experience in their lives all the time.

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Speaker 4: Perfectly said yes, so here we go.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: Go oh my god, why, I can't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it either. I'm so excited. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 4: Well, we should tell everybody why we're here and what we're doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, well.

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Speaker 1: We're here because we're going to talk about rewatching Desperate Housewives.

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Speaker 2: We are And the name of our podcast, which we

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Speaker 2: love so much, is desperately Devoted.

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Speaker 4: And I really feel like.

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Speaker 2: We named it that because we intend to be desperately

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Speaker 2: devoted to you are listeners, and in all ways in

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Speaker 2: terms of rewatching Desperate Housewives, but also in terms of

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Speaker 2: our relationship and what you want to hear us talk

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Speaker 2: about and what we want to share.

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Speaker 4: With you that we hope is inspiring.

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Speaker 2: And I love the idea of being desperately devoted to something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so excited. As soon as we said

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Speaker 1: the name, I said, oh, okay, we've got it, like

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Speaker 1: we're ready, We're ready for the podcast. Yeah now.

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Speaker 2: And I just can't believe that I am here with

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Speaker 2: my two daughters, one who actually came out of my

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Speaker 4: I met when she was thirteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know back in two thousand and four, yeap

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Speaker 2: been friends ever since.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: And I was just at your wedding yes year.

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Speaker 1: I so special.

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Speaker 2: This podcast has to happen just so that I can,

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Speaker 2: you know, see you guys, because that's I feel.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I say. I was as soon

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Speaker 1: as we talked about doing this, I said, I don't

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Speaker 1: the closest thing I have to a sister. I'm an

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Speaker 1: only child. And Andrea, I mean we met when I

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Speaker 3: Lot of life. We lived a lot of life.

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Speaker 4: A lot of life at three generations of women.

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Speaker 3: I know that thing.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we watched the pilot. Everybody watched the pilot

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Speaker 2: when we did not watch it together.

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Speaker 4: I think people would be curious about that.

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Speaker 2: We all have our individual lives and busy lives. And

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Speaker 2: so how did you watch it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually watched the pilot on the plane

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Speaker 1: I've seen select episodes, obviously the pilot being one of them.

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Speaker 1: But it is really going to be new for me.

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Speaker 2: So I'm badly so exciting because I think right now,

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Speaker 2: I travel a lot, and I am meeting a lot

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Speaker 2: of people that are coming to Desperate Housewives for the

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Speaker 4: But a lot of people are having that experience.

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Speaker 1: So you're I'm one of those people. I'm also having

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting during COVID, a lot of friends who had

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Speaker 1: you know, right as we had graduated from college, and

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Speaker 1: I had all these friends from school calling me, going, wait,

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Speaker 1: is your mom Terry Hatcher like Susan Meyer's Terry Hatcher,

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Speaker 1: like the Terry Hatcher from Desperate Housewives? And I said, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes she is. And now I'm getting to experience that

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Speaker 3: I really just said, I can't wait to hear Emerson's

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Speaker 3: take on everything. I have so many questions I.

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Speaker 2: Want to hear, I questions for everything, not just the show,

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Speaker 2: She keeps me young and sort of moderately relevant into

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Speaker 2: what's happening. You just said something, and I think this

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Speaker 2: I had a tiny, tiny bit, but you just said

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Speaker 1: As soon as I said it, I said, oh.

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Speaker 3: I caught the same down immediately.

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Speaker 2: So this has been I mean this way through the

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Speaker 2: and and for every episode after that, some people would

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Speaker 2: And if you ask me why, I'll say, because Oscar Meyer,

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Speaker 1: Well I'm never forgetting that now, right, I know.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that Mark Cherry when we had our

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Speaker 4: Is that what happened?

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Speaker 2: And nobody listened to anything we said, but that's you're right.

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Speaker 2: Memorial memorials where everyone brings food and we'll get to that,

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Speaker 2: and she says, Susan Mayer, was this was.

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Speaker 3: That last time her name's ever said? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: But then later I think in the episode I say

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Speaker 1: That was that Personally, I'm kind of happy that I

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Speaker 4: Where were you?

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Speaker 3: I was on my couch. I was sitting on my

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Speaker 2: We should say that Andrea is pregnant with the congratulations with.

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Speaker 2: So you were on your couch with your snacks, yes,

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So I was immediately struck by a

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Speaker 3: this was my second time seeing it MAYBEOWK. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I got sent the pilot script.

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Speaker 4: Like either at some resort hotel.

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Speaker 4: The real housewives absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Like, it just was so good. It was so well shot.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Andrea, you know I so I was

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Speaker 3: John Oliver referenced it as well. Oh oh, it was

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Speaker 3: a whole thing about Chuck Schumer and it's too long

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Speaker 1: Interesting, I mean, so I think you get this incredible.

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Speaker 1: Then you also feel the empowered Lynette, who's a business

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Speaker 3: And were looking Christine and perfect.

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Speaker 3: That's so interesting? I think that I feel like I

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Speaker 2: Good time to just talk about how can I swear

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Speaker 4: How fucking great you were?

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Speaker 2: She was the third team, I mean when she got

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Speaker 4: First of all, I didn't get the first like laugh out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people might think that we had like chemistry

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Speaker 3: I have so much to say in response I said,

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Speaker 3: Got No, I don't remember when I got the script.

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Speaker 4: The people from ABC.

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Speaker 3: That was my screen test.

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Speaker 3: The callback was just I don't remember where it was,

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Speaker 3: just like, Okay, that's good to know, thank you, you know.

445
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 3: And I by that because I couldn't interpret what it meant,

446
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 3: and I interpreted as meaning something bad, and so I left.

447
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 3: I had to go to ballet class. After that, I left.

448
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 3: I went to my ballet class and I was so

449
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 3: worked up, which is unusual for me, because I was like,

450
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 3: you know, a professional kid. I didn't. I was like,

451
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 3: let it roll off your back. And I went to

452
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Speaker 3: ballet class and I couldn't stop thinking about that, and

453
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Speaker 3: I left in the middle it, went to the bathroom

454
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Speaker 3: and cried.

455
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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, wow, Charles McDougall, if you hear this,

456
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: and you know he did, that was my I've never

457
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Speaker 2: heard of anything like that.

458
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Speaker 4: And I actually think, and maybe this is what you're

459
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Speaker 4: going to say.

460
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, go ahead, No, no

461
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Speaker 1: you gohad no, no, you go ahead, Okay, final'll go ahead.

462
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Speaker 1: No I was gonna say. I actually I completely get

463
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Speaker 1: as a kid feeling like, oh my gosh, he's implying

464
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Speaker 1: that something is wrong. But I take it as actually

465
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Speaker 1: implying that you have really good natural instincts that whatever

466
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: you came up with on your own, he wanted to

467
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Speaker 1: know you'd come up with on your own, as opposed

468
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: to coaching with some acting coach who coaches dozens of

469
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Speaker 1: other child actors in LA. I agree, and that there's

470
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Speaker 1: actually like a natural spark that he was responding to.

471
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree that.

472
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Speaker 2: I agree that that's probably what he meant and what

473
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Speaker 2: he was seeking out.

474
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Speaker 4: But it is weird. He was awesome. I mean, I

475
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Speaker 4: just pilot.

476
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Speaker 2: I would I Every time I think about the potential

477
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: of possibly ever creating some sort of comedy again, I

478
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: always think like, oh.

479
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Speaker 4: What would I do if Charles mcdo? Who would direct it?

480
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Speaker 2: Oh? God, it's so great. But he had this quirky thing,

481
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: and this goes to the pilot. On the pilot, he

482
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: wore the same suit every day. Do you remember that no,

483
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: or or he wore a suit every day. It was

484
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: either and I know those are both like very distinct differences,

485
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: no one wearing suit or wearing a suit, but so

486
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: much so that suit was like wearing a suit was

487
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: just emblazoned into my brain that I went to all

488
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: the women on the show as a rap gift for

489
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: the pilot, and I said, do you guys want to

490
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: go in with me? I think we should buy Charles

491
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: a really nice suits. So I went to like Bloomingdale's

492
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: or Sacks or somewhere and got him a suit.

493
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Speaker 1: This is so you, You're so thank you gift for

494
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: the pilot, thank you gift for the end of the season,

495
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: for every birthday.

496
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Speaker 2: Gift giving, gift giving. I guess it's a love language. Yes,

497
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: and food, as you will see. Yes, I think we're

498
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: going to delve into the food moving along in the pilot.

499
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Speaker 2: What would it so we all think Westeria Lane became

500
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Speaker 2: a star constantly, Yes, I mean I mean a character.

501
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Speaker 4: I mean that's right, and and.

502
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Speaker 2: And every just it's all I'm almost when I say like,

503
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: I'm surprised, I can't believe I was in it is

504
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: is stepping back and looking at that initial pilot I

505
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Speaker 2: mean the.

506
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Speaker 4: Music was dancing Elmore.

507
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Speaker 3: How did they do how did they get Danny Elfman pilot?

508
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that in the credits and

509
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, Danny Elfman did the music

510
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: for this.

511
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: That would be interesting to find out.

512
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: Dream composer Dream amazing.

513
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was amazing. Every single actor was amazing.

514
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: The writing was amazing, the lighting was amazing, the editing

515
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: was amazing. You know again, Brenda Strong, the voiceover was amazing.

516
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean every opening that just to just to one

517
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: moment on Brenda Strong and the opening of the pilot.

518
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: You know, she's narrating how it's an ordinary day and

519
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: then it ends in her suicide, the cold open, which

520
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: was unheard of for an opening of a pilot at

521
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Speaker 1: that time on TV. And I think from the minute

522
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: like that, pop goes off and then we cut so

523
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: gesiusly to Martha Hubert, and to me, that just set

524
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: the tone for the entire show. It's going to be

525
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: a show about looking into the lives of.

526
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: Other people and their darkest moments.

527
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: How much do we actually want to know about our neighbors?

528
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 1: And also this really interesting idea that I have been

529
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: sitting with since I watched it of the kind of

530
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: mayhem of suburban boredom, you know, like the idea that

531
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Speaker 1: our neighbors are on our blocks. You know, the Martha

532
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: Hoober character who's just waiting to have a reason to

533
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: go knock on someone else's door or stir something up,

534
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Speaker 1: and she kind of becomes a catalyst for a lot

535
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: of the action and also really smart, you know, narration

536
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: device between the different women's lives, how she returns the

537
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: blender returns whatever. Yeah, I just I found that so interesting.

538
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: And I think I heard that this Mark Cherry was

539
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: originally inspired to write Desperate Housewives after hearing about a

540
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: murder case of a mother in Texas who killed her

541
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Speaker 1: for five kids.

542
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's true.

543
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't personally talk to him

544
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: about it, so I know that that's you know, kind

545
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: of stuff that you read, but I know that he

546
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 2: worked on it for a long time. Yeah, Like, and

547
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: that it was a spec script and god bless the specscript.

548
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Speaker 4: I know. Well, I mean, you know it is it's

549
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 4: as a writer.

550
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Speaker 2: I mean, you could probably talk to that, Like, I

551
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: don't know if people really know the difference between specscripts

552
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: and you know what happens. I mean, things have changed

553
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: a lot, obviously in Hollywood in the last twenty years,

554
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: but what was happening then was mostly that you would

555
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: go to the network with a treatment. You would pitch it,

556
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: maybe you would have an actor attached, and the network

557
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: would pay the writer to write the script, and then

558
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: if they liked that pilot, then they would actually film

559
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: the pilot, and then if they liked the filmed pilot,

560
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: then they would put it on the air for a season.

561
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Speaker 4: And that was kind of how it worked. It was

562
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Speaker 4: pretty rare.

563
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: That somebody would walk in with an already done, developed

564
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: specscript completed and say do you want to make this?

565
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that was very rare and I do think

566
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: that that. You know, Netflix kind of turned that on

567
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: its head. When Netflix first started, they had like the

568
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: opposite mandate, which was they wouldn't you had to have

569
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: your finished script, And that's what kind of yeah, and

570
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: that's what kind of began. The the writer doesn't get

571
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: paid to write the script and then the writer gets

572
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 2: paid when the thing gets made. When the other way

573
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: the way I was saying, you go pitch it and

574
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: then the network pays you to write the pilot. That

575
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: seems to have gone by the wayside.

576
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Speaker 1: You know.

577
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: It's interesting because as you're talking about, like the way

578
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: things have changed, I was something I kept thinking about

579
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: consuming the show is you know, Desperate Housewise was, as

580
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: people called it, appointment television, right, they would sit down

581
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: every Sunday.

582
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Speaker 2: That's the thought I didn't finish, by the way, go ahead, Okay, Well,

583
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: and so I wonder, and there's no way for us

584
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: to know, but I do wonder.

585
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: I guess there is because this is how some people

586
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: probably are watching it and experiencing it for the first time,

587
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: the idea of like binging it because we would wait

588
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: a week, Right, did you watch the show in real time?

589
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: I think I did watch it in real time if

590
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: Emerson was asleep. And this does.

591
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: Nine mem on Sunday?

592
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And.

593
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: This does bring me back to the point I was

594
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: going to make that I dropped off of, which was

595
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 2: when people ask you, did you know it was going

596
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: to be a hit?

597
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

598
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: And I knew it was a great script.

599
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: But I've always said this that the fact that it

600
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: was aired on a Sunday night and not at eight

601
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: o'clock and not at ten o'clock, but at nine o'clock

602
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: and as a single mom, I absolutely related to I

603
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: am up early, I am going all day. It is kid, kid, kid, kid, kid,

604
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: It is wife. You know, husband, husband, husbands whatever, whatever.

605
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: I mean.

606
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: I was divorced, but I mean that's what the experience

607
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: of being a mom and a wife is, and that

608
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: one hour you've got the kid to bed on Sunday night,

609
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: but it's not so late that you can't be that

610
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: you have to go to bed. That one hour is

611
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: like your hour. And I really feel that if they

612
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: had put it on Thursday night, where they had like

613
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: Gray's Anatomy and some other I just I'm not.

614
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: Sure it would have worked. I felt.

615
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: I feel like they just women collectively were like, this

616
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: is my hour.

617
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: Wow, don't bother me.

618
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Speaker 3: It just goes to show, though, how many different factors

619
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: went in to make it just like lightning in a bottle. Yeah,

620
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: I mean it really was, because you know, you said

621
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Speaker 3: how great everyone is, and that was something else like

622
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: watching it as a thirteen year old and whatever, fourteen

623
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: year old when it aired the first time, I think

624
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: I was so excited and proud to be a part

625
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: of it. And you know, of course I thought everyone

626
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: was amazing watching it again now with just more life

627
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: experience and a lot more acting experience and all the things,

628
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: I mean, really everything about it was so fantastic for

629
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Speaker 3: any show, for a pilot. I mean, it was just

630
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: so impressive. And by the first commercial break you had

631
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Speaker 3: met all the main players, and you didn't just meet them,

632
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Speaker 3: I mean you really felt like, ah, I've got insight

633
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: into who these people are and.

634
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Around this great mystery. Yeah. Yeah, the whole season it was.

635
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: An unbelievably well executed fusion of storytelling and chemistry of

636
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: the character, the actors actually playing these characters, and whatever

637
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: magic happens that those characters come off the page and

638
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: become real. I don't know, I'm not sure.

639
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: I always thought all of.

640
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: The people in the show were great, but somehow Marcia

641
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: is resonating with me, at least in this first few episodes. Yeah,

642
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: I just I you know, I know, I'm not going

643
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: to get into like their state of mind because I

644
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: don't know what their journey was, so I'm here to

645
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: represent my journey. But I kind of recall her feeling

646
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: like maybe she wasn't so good with comedy and all.

647
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: If she ever hears this, and if she ever thought

648
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: she wasn't she was. I mean, the timing of the

649
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: muffin I'm gonna need the basket it was about.

650
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: To say, that is flawless.

651
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: It's absolutely flawless. It's perfect.

652
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: The line where they're in the hospital and you tried

653
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: to kill me and she says, well, well, I feel

654
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: badly about that.

655
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Speaker 4: I mean, just no, it's pitch perfect. She really is.

656
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: So she's really she's really jumping off the screen at me.

657
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: She was.

658
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but it's it's not a battle

659
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: of who's better. It just it's interesting to rewatch, really excellent.

660
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: The comedy is so sharp alongside the drama and the mystery.

661
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Lynette's character at the way the memorial when

662
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the kids get into the pool and then she just

663
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: dives into that pool. Hm, oh my god.

664
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: And she has the one strand of hair and she

665
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: like flicks it and she says, I'm sorry, we have

666
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: to leave now, you know, yeah, I know, on whatever

667
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: bit of dignity, she's still in a muster. It's it's

668
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: really it's funny and it's poignant, and it was and it.

669
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: Somehow feels believable still, you know, I feel like we

670
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: could that happens?

671
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why.

672
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, do you like again because

673
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: you were so young when it aired originally and now

674
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: here we are in twenty twenty five. Do you feel

675
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 2: like the relationships, the the things that the show was

676
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: trying to say, do they still feel culturally relevant? I mean,

677
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: did any of it? You know how they'll say sometimes oh, well,

678
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: that's you can't say that anymore or whatever, like like,

679
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it's it's it translates. Well, I feel like, yeah,

680
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: I think.

681
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I agree too. I mean I was gonna say, I,

682
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: as I said, I'm watching it for the first time,

683
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: so I've only watched the first two episodes. Okay, so

684
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, to say, how is the overall

685
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: themes commenting on culture? You know a little bit early

686
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: for me to tell, although I do think all of

687
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: the different women, you know, Gabby and Brie and Lynette

688
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: and Susan, they all feel really relevant and still relatable

689
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: different parts of their struggles and their isolations and their

690
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: joys and failures. I totally felt connected to I think,

691
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting that you ask did anything stand

692
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: out like, oh god, that's you know, cancelable now. The

693
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: one thing that stood out and I actually wrote it down.

694
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: I said, how do we feel about women being called sluts?

695
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: Missus Huber calls Edie a slut in the pilot.

696
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: I wrote it down as one of my favorite lines

697
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: I did. I did flag it as being like, wow,

698
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: we probably wouldn't say it now, but but you know

699
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: that kind of biting, stinging thing.

700
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: Was Oh, I mean I think, but yeah, I would

701
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: one hundred percent still write a character like Missus Hooper

702
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: now who makes those kinds of comments. You know, she's

703
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: another singer in the second episode that I will save

704
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: until we talk about that next. But I yeah, I

705
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: think she's hilarious, and I think it's you know, she

706
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: is just on the line of what is appropriate or

707
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: not appropriate tearing other women down, being a friend in quotation,

708
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: because they are the kind.

709
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: Of each other's like partner, you know. Like I thought

710
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: that was really interesting because I didn't remember the dynamic

711
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: between Edie and Missus Houber being like they were kind

712
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 3: of I don't know, yes, friends, like they were in

713
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: a lot of scenes together, and I didn't really remember that.

714
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: But I thought that contrast was great. But I did

715
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: think that something and Honestly, I don't know how deep

716
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: I want to wade into these waters because but I

717
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: wonder how we feel about the John the Gardener. I

718
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: was actually wrote it down as something to talk to

719
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: you about Emerson, because I thought that you might have

720
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: a really interesting take on it, or at least a

721
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: really well kind of fair opinion on that story.

722
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

723
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely have more to say about that character

724
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: in the second episode too, but John, about John, okay,

725
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: and about some specific things about his character, I guess

726
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: I can say in terms of they're affair starting to

727
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: be exposed in the pilot, you know that we see

728
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: Gabby as this beautiful woman who seemingly has it all

729
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: except of course, love and passion in her marriage, which

730
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: I feel like is honestly something we just saw explored

731
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: in The Materialists, that movie that just came out.

732
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: Oh I didn't see that.

733
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it either.

734
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Great, Dakota Johnson, Pedro, Hascal Slein song. You know

735
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: who wrote Past Lives, which I love.

736
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

737
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: And I've heard that this was actually I don't know

738
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the movie she wrote before Past Lives, So sometimes that happens.

739
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: But kind of this idea age old idea of like,

740
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: is the life with the money and the security that

741
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: we want worth it if it's ultimately lacking that spark

742
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: for actual passion and meaning and meaning, right, you know,

743
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: is it worth having that facade? And I think I

744
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: think it's easier to show that when you see Gabby

745
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: have that spark and passion with someone else. You know,

746
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: it would be different if she was just talking about it.

747
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: But to see what she has with John the gardener,

748
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: and then to see the kind of loveless that she

749
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: has with her actual husband, you know. Infidelity, I think

750
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: is so interesting. And I know Andrew, you and I

751
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: have talked about this, not on this podcast, my own

752
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: personal ideas of I feel like I fall on the

753
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I would cheat on someone. I

754
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: fall on the more lenient side of I don't know

755
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: that infidelity to me is an immediate deal breaker. I

756
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: think an ongoing affair would be, because it's the lying part,

757
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: but the actual cheating part I think is sometimes indicative

758
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: of underlying issues in a relationship that you know, if

759
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: you really love someone, maybe you want to address and

760
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: and work through. And to me, that's not ever been

761
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: something that I feel like I wouldn't be able to

762
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: get past. Of course, you know Gabby's character toast the line,

763
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: it does seem a little bit like it actually, you know,

764
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: is an ongoing affair, but also it's clearly indicative of

765
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: an underlying But.

766
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I want.

767
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: To talk about the second episode.

768
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, because they definitely we hear that more about

769
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: in the second episode. But there is the line of

770
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: the you're much too young to smoke? Is that in

771
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: the second episode or is that in the first episode

772
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: when he says can I have a drag? After they've

773
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: had sex? I think I think that's in the first episode.

774
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: So in the first episode, after Gabby and John have

775
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: had sex, she's puffing on a cigarette, right, and he says,

776
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: can I have a drag? Or something like that, and

777
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: then she says, oh, you're much too young to smoke.

778
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: And it's so great for television, right, Like it's such

779
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: a funny dichotomy to present. But also it just has

780
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: me thinking about that, right because my character was thirty

781
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: years You.

782
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: Feel like, and I'm going to have to be aware

783
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: of this as we're watching it, because I do. It

784
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: is resonating in my mind that like, even after eight seasons.

785
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: I feel like it was a question that I always

786
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: wondered if Gabby was ever going to get nailed for

787
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: sleeping with somebody underage.

788
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: Right, And.

789
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean I felt that way for all the years

790
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: that we know, was that ever going to be a storyline?

791
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: And I don't believe I never did get addressed.

792
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: I don't. Well, I guess we'll find out. I guess

793
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: we'll find out. But yeah, I wonder it too, And

794
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: I wonder how that I would love, you know, the

795
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: people who are just discovering the show now, especially the

796
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 3: ones on the you know, younger side of things, or no,

797
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: not even really specifically the ones on the younger side

798
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: of things, but just to hear what their takeaways are

799
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: of that, because to introduce a character, and you love

800
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: Gabby right like you love all the women. That's another

801
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: big part is I feel like you instantly love these

802
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: people and you care about them, and so it's really

803
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: interesting that they gave her something like that that could

804
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: be so polarizing and could make her so unlikable, and

805
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: yet it was handled in a way where you got it.

806
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: I guess, you know, you kind of understand.

807
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: I think they got at least in the pilot, Like,

808
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: I think some of the more express things you're talking

809
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: about don't get totally revealed in the pilot. I had

810
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: much more of a question about him after the first episode, like, yes,

811
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: he seems young, but how young is he? We don't know?

812
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: Okay, so then we'll we'll that.

813
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, Okay, I have something did? I have a

814
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: couple of things to point out. Did anybody notice what

815
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: is on my neck?

816
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: I've noticed it. It's very pretty.

817
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: I notice. I'll tell you because I noticed immediately when

818
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: we've walked into this podcasting room and for the podcast.

819
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Here we are now that you were wearing two of

820
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: the necklaces that Susan wore on the pilot.

821
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 2: In the pilot, Yes, all three of these. All three

822
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: of these. Yeah. So which which says?

823
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: Which are your necklaces?

824
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: Arsenal necklaces? Which that has to say?

825
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: I have to say, again, I don't remember everything, but

826
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: you have to wonder why was I wearing my own necklaces?

827
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: Maybe they were emotional support, Maybe they made you feel safe.

828
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: I mean, it could have it could have done that.

829
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: But I also sort of feel like I have this,

830
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: I have this loose recollection of like at the beginning

831
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: the whole like wardrobe, hair, makeup. It's just like, I'm

832
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: not sure they realized they were doing a show with

833
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: five women. Like I kind of feel like maybe somebody

834
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: didn't get the memo.

835
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: We change it, yeah, years ago, so maybe.

836
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot.

837
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: That's a lot of costumes, that's a lot of hair

838
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: and makeup. That's a lot of women that need attention.

839
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: And but yes, so one of these necklaces has a

840
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: little heart and a little Lucky Penny and they were

841
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: both charms off of my childhood charm bracelet. And then

842
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: the other one is a little Saint Christopher and that

843
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: is supposed to be like for traveling, yeah, like for

844
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: safety and trust, and and then so is the red one.

845
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: And I wore this on different different outfits. And I

846
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: don't know actually.

847
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: What the reason was.

848
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: Maybe you're right, maybe it was to kind of give

849
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: me a grounded sense. I mean I could see myself

850
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: doing that, but uh yeah, but when I watched it,

851
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: I was like, those are my necklaces.

852
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: I borrowed those.

853
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 3: Oh that's so great. Okay, So obviously I've known Terry

854
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: a long time. I've known Terry for over half my life.

855
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: I have known. Yeah, it's so weird, you know, yeah,

856
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: And I always knew what it was like to work

857
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: with you, right, Like I watched the way you'd show

858
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: up to set, and you always came like just so chuck,

859
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: full of ideas and so prepared, and you know, I

860
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 3: was always in awe of you as an as an actor.

861
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: Thank you and Rewatching the pilot, I mean, you're so good.

862
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: You are so so good I feel I mean, it's weird,

863
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 3: right because I'm I was your on screen daughter, and

864
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: you know whatever, but I feel so proud of you

865
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: watching it. I'm just like, I'm actually felt really proud

866
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: of both of us.

867
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, I felt proud of you.

868
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: Well, well, here's a little I ran into Michael Edelstein

869
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: actually not that long ago. He was one of the

870
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: producers on the show, and he said to me that

871
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: he tells a story about the pilot and something I

872
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: did all the time to people as this is what

873
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: an actor does, like this is and I was like, wow,

874
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: this is this is very complimentary. He remains, speaking of

875
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: wardrobe that I was kind of like, I don't think upset,

876
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: but I was just like I needed to know from

877
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: the wardrobe department, what the costume was that I was

878
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: going to be wearing for the scene. When I go

879
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: over to meet Mike and Edie also comes up with

880
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: her putin esca or whatever, and it's both of us

881
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: there at the door, competing for his attention, and that

882
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: he recalls me being with the ward department. I really

883
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: need to know that in advance. It's important to me.

884
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: And they couldn't quite understand why it was important. And

885
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: he couldn't even really quite understand why it was important.

886
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: And he said, and then when you requested a cardigan,

887
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: like you wanted to make sure that the sweater opened

888
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: and not a sweater that you put over your head.

889
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: And then I saw you do the scene, and I

890
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: saw you do this comedic thing, and he said, he said,

891
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: he tells everybody that was not in the script, that

892
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: was completely not in the script.

893
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 4: She just totally did that.

894
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: She said, you did this thing where you looked over

895
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: at her breath and then you looked down at your breast,

896
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: and then you took the sweater and kind of like

897
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: closed it over your breast, and that told so much of.

898
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: The story of who.

899
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: Susan was in this moment and he goes, and that

900
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: was all you. That was completely not anywhere, And that

901
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: was the day that I went, oh, my gosh, Terry

902
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: Hatcher is a great actress and I have to like,

903
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it.

904
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: Is true though, like that is a subtle, but.

905
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: It was years later somebody like I was like, you.

906
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: You're talking about it is so revealing of her kids.

907
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: It is.

908
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also you know, it's just it's an amazing moment,

909
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: but it also it really kind of hints at the fact,

910
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: as we will explore as the show goes on. But

911
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: like talk about physical comedy. I mean, Terry, I was

912
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: on the set with you in multiple occasions where you

913
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: were so committed to the physical comedic moment that you

914
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: actually injured yourself pretty bad.

915
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: I believe there. Like, yeah, there's a couple of times

916
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: damaged cornea.

917
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait so, but I just wanted you guys being

918
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: in scenes together and the thing that's sitting between us

919
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: in the room. I want to know about the very

920
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: iconic scene at the wake when Susan shows up with

921
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: the horrible macaroni and cheese and what that was like

922
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: for both of you, and maybe we can talk about

923
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: that a little bit more.

924
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, first of all, I think it's a funny

925
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: thing that people confuse.

926
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 4: You with your character.

927
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: Like I would say a predominant characteristic that has happened

928
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: in my relationship with my fans over the last twenty

929
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: years is that people will say to me, you can cook.

930
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 4: I didn't know you can cook.

931
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: Susan can cook, and I'm like, okay, I'm not Susan.

932
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 2: I know it seems like, yes, I was a single mom,

933
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: she was a single mom. But that's pretty much where

934
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: we share a face.

935
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 4: That's anyways.

936
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: So, but about that scene, it actually was. It's part

937
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: of what I love about physical comedy. And I don't know,

938
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see how you remember it, but.

939
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: It was very choreographed, like it.

940
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: Was to the point where I think there may have

941
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: been fishing line for the foil, for the.

942
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: Foil that's coming off.

943
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: I think you're selling yourself short because I do remember,

944
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: and I actually wrote it down because I don't know

945
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: if I ever told you, And it was one of

946
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: my first impressions of you, was the fact that you

947
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: could and maybe you didn't if there was fishing. I

948
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: think we talked about it, but I think you you

949
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: were like, let me try. I think I might be

950
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: able to get it to go, and she did. She

951
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: walks down the street right, and you're it's like we're

952
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: closing the door, we're walking down the street. We've got

953
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: to get it's a walk and talk, you know, So

954
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: there's always an art form to that. And they she

955
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: you were able to get that foil to lift off

956
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: that mac and cheese and the right moment, and again

957
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: it's like it's showing that you're a harried, kind of frazzled,

958
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: you know person. And I think that was.

959
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 4: All you think I did. I think that was all

960
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 4: I don't But I guess the reason I'm remembering the

961
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: fishing line.

962
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: We must have talked about it with Charles, like like

963
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: because I knew that it was part of the comedy,

964
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: like we've got it's part of what you're and this

965
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: is what was so what you were saying about the

966
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: first five minutes of the show, you feel like you

967
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: know everything, you feel you know and and that's what

968
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: made it, those little moments that you you and and

969
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: again not sure if I remember if that was in

970
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: the script or not, but yes, so horrible macaroni cheese.

971
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: So I felt like under cook on arm podcast.

972
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: People, but we all love food. Emerson and I have.

973
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: We spent her childhood every summer going on epic trips

974
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: around the world going to We used to get the

975
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: fifty best Restaurant in the World list for the year,

976
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: and we used to try to pick an area and

977
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: then go to as many restaurants as we could in

978
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: that area. And we have a tradition of huge Christmas

979
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: Eve dinner where we do lots of cooking. And I

980
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: know you amazing cook Andrea, and love cooking, so we

981
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: thought that we would make the Food of Desperate Housewives

982
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: a part of our podcast. I made since I just

983
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: want to prove to everybody that I can't cook. I

984
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: made a gourmet for cheese mac.

985
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh my god.

986
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

987
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, I wish you could to begin now, I know,

988
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

989
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: I want to know more Andrew, about what you remember

990
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: about that scene. And I also, once my mom is

991
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: done dishing out her not terrible mac and cheese, but

992
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: I want to know about what she remembers about meeting

993
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: Jamie also because that was like there first, yeah, and

994
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: what a seen.

995
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: I know, I have to come back for this he

996
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: had to be called James. We all called him Jamie.

997
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, he remember, Oh yeah, he wanted to be James.

998
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 4: He thought Jamie was like too.

999
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Well, James, James is honestly super cute. Yes,

1000
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: But but Andrew, you comment on yours, What do you

1001
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: remember of that that mom because it's such an iconic

1002
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: scene where you see everybody together for the first time.

1003
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't. I really more remember the

1004
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: scene with Terry and I just crossing the street, you know,

1005
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 3: because I really loved that dialogue, that back and forth

1006
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: between Susan and Julie, you know, where I say, you know,

1007
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: why would someone kill themselves? I mean, it's such a

1008
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: like stop in the middle of the street moment. And

1009
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: I think as a mother, right, like you're always fielding,

1010
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: or as a parent, I should say, you're fielding these

1011
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 3: heavy hitter questions that your kids just kind of throw

1012
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: at you casually and you have to figure out in

1013
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: the moment how to respond, and you know, you give

1014
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: a perfect response in my opinion, it's like it satisfies

1015
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: the question without saying too much. And you're like, well,

1016
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: sometimes people appear differently, you know, on the outside than

1017
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: they are on the inside. And then you know, I

1018
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: Julie says the thing about like, oh, you mean how

1019
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: Dad's girlfriend, you know, always acts like she's nice, but

1020
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: deep down she's a bitch, and you then say, you're like, well,

1021
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 3: I don't like that word, but yes, that's a great thing.

1022
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: Yea.

1023
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: All that little back and forth I just loved so much.

1024
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: And I remember, like, you know, to your point, and

1025
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: I did want to circle back, just really briefly to

1026
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: the fact that you mentioned wanting to treat me as

1027
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: a coworker, wanting to treat me as a fellow actor,

1028
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: and that meant so much to me. Still means so

1029
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: much to me, But it was something I felt from

1030
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: day one with you, was that I did feel like

1031
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: and I took myself very seriously as a child performer,

1032
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: and I felt like I had a job to do

1033
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: and I wanted to be respected, and I wanted to

1034
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 3: be professional and all the things, and not everybody treats

1035
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: children on set that way, and you always did, and

1036
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: it means so much to me. But I also think

1037
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: it really it really shaped kind of how we settled

1038
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 3: in and the dynamic that Susan and Julie had.

1039
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that moment that you're talking about too,

1040
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: and I know we're going to get to eating this

1041
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: amazing mac and cheese, But just that question of why

1042
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: would someone kill themselves, which really is the question that

1043
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: sets all of our protagonists on the course of trying

1044
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: to investigate this over the course of the season. And

1045
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: it was the one moment because Susan is such a

1046
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: different mom than mom you were to me. But the

1047
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: way she responds in that moment, with that level of

1048
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of pause and thoughtfulness and also maturity. You know,

1049
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: she's not talking down to a kid or trying to

1050
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: explain something away about why someone might do something as

1051
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: drastic as taking their own life. It really did remind

1052
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: me of you. I that was the one moment where

1053
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I feel like that is how my

1054
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: mom would talk to me when I was that age

1055
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: and answer that question. And then I really saw it

1056
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: and that's good. Yeah, I mean I guess, yeah, that's good.

1057
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yes, I raised a good kid.

1058
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 3: Everyone really well rounded. Interesting.

1059
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: Okay, I know, like, do we try this?

1060
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and it should be hot. It was

1061
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: hot when we got here, but.

1062
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: It's going to be pretty I'm literally in my mouth

1063
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: as water.

1064
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if we're allowed to like choose.

1065
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, I know right the.

1066
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 3: Chewing side are gonna go over really well.

1067
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: Okay, honestly, you guys, I watch a SMR like all

1068
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: the time. Do well, not the chewing one because I

1069
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: hate that. It's what we're doing right now.

1070
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: What ones do you watch.

1071
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: Like where they do your makeup. They're like, oh, we're

1072
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: gonna like tap on your favorite, like put on this

1073
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: eyeshadow and we're gonna.

1074
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: Okay, I really do watch that all the time.

1075
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: Not all the time, but like.

1076
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 4: About my daughter.

1077
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: Really, it's so relaxing. If I'm like, want to fall asleep.

1078
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 3: Of amount of planes into any cool category, well definitely doesn't.

1079
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: Well this doesn't.

1080
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: But like you have a community, and CMR is like

1081
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: a community of community. Make sure that my weird like

1082
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: internet indulgence is part of anything anyone does, which is

1083
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: that I like to watch people pack. Yeah, so I

1084
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 3: think that I like watching like disorganized chaos turn into

1085
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: organized chaos.

1086
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: Is this like on an Instagram reels.

1087
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: Like when people test out like luggage or like a

1088
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: bag and they show you how much stuff they can

1089
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: fit in it, and I find that to be really calming.

1090
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: At what time of day do you watch, oh you

1091
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: know late night? Yeah times, No, that's what I assumed,

1092
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: but I didn't want.

1093
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: To watch our secret videos.

1094
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: Okay, mom, this mac and cheese is so good. Can

1095
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: you give us just like what is the.

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Speaker 3: Talk about the choice of noodle and talk.

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Speaker 1: About what's your what's your one secret about making your

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Speaker 1: mac and cheese that Susan would never know?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, you want your pasta whatever kind of elbowie

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Speaker 2: shape it is. You want it to be al dente

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Speaker 2: because you're also gonna bake it in the oven after

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Speaker 2: you boil it.

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Speaker 4: I use it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Three cheeses in the sauce, but then parmesan on the top,

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Speaker 2: so it's really four cheeses. And my my my secret

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Speaker 2: combo is Manchego white cheddar and grey air. This has

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Speaker 2: been I don't know, I feel like so collect we

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Speaker 2: all love the pilot?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, ten out of ten?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm out of ten.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 4: I mean that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that because I love the two

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Speaker 1: of you and we're doing this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Oh they're not all going to be ten.

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Speaker 1: And you'll call that out that's true, but this is

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Speaker 1: a big, big hit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really the pot I've ever seen. I think

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Speaker 3: it is the best pilot of any show I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: And I've consumed a lot of television, and I don't

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Speaker 3: know that I got it. I mean I obviously got

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Speaker 3: it at the time, right, like I thought, oh gosh,

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Speaker 3: everyone loves it and that's so great. But watching it now,

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Speaker 3: after having seen so much more television in my life.

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Speaker 1: I.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they say really something about nostalgia. Now.

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Speaker 2: I know for you, you haven't seen it before, so maybe

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Speaker 2: this doesn't apply. But they do say that some of

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Speaker 2: the reason that people are enjoying going back and watching

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Speaker 2: things that they're familiar with is because it lands in

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Speaker 2: our brain in a safer place, like we don't have

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Speaker 2: the unpredictability of like what's going to happen, so there's

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Speaker 2: less stress. And so that's why everyone should join us

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Speaker 2: and start watching Desperate Housewives again and talking with us

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Speaker 2: about it and sharing it. I think we want people

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Speaker 2: to write in and got us let us know, Like

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Speaker 2: if you have questions or thoughts about the show or

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Speaker 2: about life or anything you think the three of us

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Speaker 2: could help you with, we would love to be there

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Speaker 2: for you because we are desperately devoted to you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I can't us see you next week