WEBVTT - Reproductive Terrorism 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.800 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikap Daily with Meet 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:19.040 your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the home bunker, Folks, 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.360 I am taking a little respite, but as always I 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.400 leave you guys with fresh content and interviews. And today 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.680 I am talking to friend of the show and friend 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.520 of mine, Danielle Campomore. And Danielle and I get into 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.920 a really great conversation. You know that usually when she 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.320 comes on, we're talking about abortion, We're talking about reproductive 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.360 rights and access, and she gives us, you know, through 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.199 her columns that she does at today dot com, she 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:52.000 gives us an insight into moving beyond the statistics and 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.960 the headlines into the lives of women and people with 0:00:55.120 --> 0:01:00.240 uteruses that have been harmed by the Supreme Courts overting 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:04.120 of Roby Wade. And in today's discussion, we also talk 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.760 about the effects that climate change is going to have 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.200 on reproductive health and care. And something that was alarming 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.720 to me that Danielle will bring our attention to is 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:23.000 this that when people who are pregnant are in heat 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:28.320 that exceeds ninety five degrees, which if you look at 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.119 a heat map right now, the United States is pretty 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.639 much a majority of the fucking country that excessive heat 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:42.319 on pregnant people induces labor, meaning that people will go 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:48.000 into labor earlier, have babies premature, which could in fact 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:53.880 then result in a number of issues that those premature 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:58.320 babies face. And so again, just wanting to connect the 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.480 dots to all of these issues that are spoken about 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.840 in silos like, oh, well, we're talking about climate change, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.840 we're talking about the heat over there, but we're not 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.040 really talking about how it's going to affect our work 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:14.519 or food, or our transportation or our livelihood. So this 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.120 is a conversation I think is very illuminating with Danielle. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:23.760 So I hope that you guys enjoy it, folks. I 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.440 am very excited to welcome back to WOK at the 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.560 Daily a friend of the show and friend of mine, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:36.880 Danielle Campemore, who is a columnist at Today Family for 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.760 today dot Com. And I'm sure you have read her writing, 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.679 you have seen her on MSNBC and in other places 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:50.000 talking about the weight, the burden, the despair that has 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.560 been placed on families across this country as they are 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.960 dealing with the horrendous ripple effects from the overturning of 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:04.640 Ruby Wade, And I mean, there are just so many pieces, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:11.240 Danielle outside of I feel like basic bodily autonomy and 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.200 reproductive freedom. But you know, what you and I often 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.360 talk about, I feel is something that I want to 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.960 lift up again, which is that a majority of people, 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.480 women and people with uteruses that seek abortions are already parents, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.320 are already mothers. And so I just want you to 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.840 be able to kind of like, let's bring some light 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:38.720 to that statistic and reality to push back against the 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:43.400 rights you know, imaginary figure that women and people with 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.720 uteruses somehow use abortion as birth control. 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.040 Yeah, so another one. Thank you so much for having me, 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.760 for that marvelous introduction, Always so humble to join you, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:03.240 and absolutely a thousand percent. Unfortunately, throughout history and discussing 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.280 abortion access and reproductive rights in this country, it has 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:13.800 been taken out of context. It has been kidnapped by 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.159 political talking points, It has been manipulated by people with 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:25.000 nefarious reasons, with nefarious deeds in mind, to have this 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:30.719 be the antithesis of families, the antithesis of parenthood. When 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.880 the majority of people who access abortion care already have 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.600 at least one child at home, they know exactly what 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.080 it's like to carry a pregnancy to term, to give 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.880 birth in whatever way that look like for them, and 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.000 then the trials, tribulations, and of course also the joys 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.239 that come along with raising that child, from postpartum care 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:54.400 to financial stability, the difficulties in trying to navigate the 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.480 education system in this country, what it's like to parent 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:04.240 during finance troubling times. They know exactly what that is like. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:10.120 So these decisions aren't taken as a rebuke of motherhood 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.080 or of parenthood. It's often in celebration of parenthood, and 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.839 it's often to sustain parenthood. It's to allow them to 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.280 continue to parent the children that they already have. And 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.479 studies have shown that when people don't have access to 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.120 abortion care, it is mothers and it is their children, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.159 and it is their families who suffer the most. They're 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.479 more likely to live in poverty, their children are more 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.719 likely to meet milestones at a later date than their peers. 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.280 They're more likely to not have access to adequate food 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.839 their mothers and their parents aren't able to access the 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.680 workforce the same capacity as their peers who are able 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.800 to access abortion care, and so it has rippling effects, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.600 not just for the person whose autonomy wasn't honored in 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.680 a moment of personal planning and family planning, but it 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.640 impacts their children and impacts their whole families, and as 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.760 a result, impacts entire communities who are then forced to 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.039 step up and to help support these parents who could 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.440 have otherwise perhaps done that themselves if given the freedom 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:16.640 to access abortion care. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.520 You know, it's just this is why you know, I 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.279 continue to always applaud the work that you do because 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.320 stories are so important, and I think that you know, 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.839 I want to ask you this, like, how do you 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:37.400 find or have you found your story telling change because 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:42.839 of the waves, the tidal waves of misinformation that we 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.159 have been dealing with for the last eight years, Like 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.520 has your storytelling on this issue of family, of bodily 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:55.680 autonomy of abortion, has it had to change or how 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.239 has it changed over the last eight years? 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.880 What an incredible question. And you know it hasn't so 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:08.880 much changed as there has been more urgency in centering 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:15.679 those that are most impacted prior to definitely the fall 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.880 of Row, but in the years even leading up to it, 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:24.640 where we saw a real push to disassemble access to 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.480 abortion in this country piece by piece, whether it be 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:34.360 gestational bands or just completely superfluous laws put on clinics 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:39.400 that provide abortion care, the providers who are there, requiring 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:47.800 hospital privileges for example. There was this push to both 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.440 sides it and to really keep this as a political 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:57.679 discussion in where we have a nation divided, and that's 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:02.840 never been the case. But I think mainstream media in 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.960 particular were able to kind of or at least felt 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.080 perhaps okay with letting that go to a certain extent 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:16.120 until we really saw the ramifications of what happens to 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.640 people who aren't able to access abortion care. The Turnaway 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.680 Study was a huge part of that. For ten years, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.000 they studied what happens to people, to families when they 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.320 can't access care, and it's devastating. And so I think 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:31.800 that there was a laxadaisical coverage in it. And then 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.080 as we saw that not changing as quickly as the 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.880 abortion landscape was changing, the urgency in which to center 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:45.000 people just was born out of that same desperation that 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.679 so many people were feeling. And I have to tell you, Danielle, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.199 I mean, the story that's really kind of hitting me 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.480 in this moment is just last week I spoke to 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.600 a mother in Texas, she gave birth to a stillborn 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:01.800 baby girl thirty seven weeks. She was devastating. This was 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.360 months ago and she was still in tears crying to 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:11.320 me sharing her story. She was denied maternity leave in 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:16.720 the state of Texas because FMLA does not cover stillborn babies, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.000 so she was told she had to come back to 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:24.240 work while she was still reeling from the mental, emotional, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:29.080 and certainly physical. You know, just toll it takes to 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.160 give birth to any child, alive or dead, and she 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:36.720 was in labor for fifteen hours. But also because she 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.800 lives in the state of Texas, there's an anti abortion 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.439 law that that requires all fetal remains to be handled 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.360 by a funeral home, so she didn't get to leave 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.920 the hospital with her daughter's ashes. Instead, she had the 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.720 additional burden of pain for services at a funeral home. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.440 She didn't receive her daughter's remains for a month, and 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.520 she was told to return to work before then harm 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:07.680 that these laws cause women family. She was also again 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.800 caring for a toddler at this time. It is profound 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.960 and whether it's intended or not, whether she was the 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.920 target audience of this anti abortion law because she was 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.800 a mom who was very excited about the prospect of 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:31.160 having a daughter. She was harm nonetheless, and so that 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:37.880 is what's really kind of changed for me is this urgency. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.880 This not to romanticize my calling, but this profound sense 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:50.840 of it. It's a need, it's it's a duty, an obligation, 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.240 and an honor, and one that without these stories, again, 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.000 the only noise we hear is the political talking points 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.200 of those who are not in acted by these laws. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.080 We have to elevate the people ahead of the politician 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.560 in order for people to truly understand what's going on 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.000 across the country. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:19.040 I have no words for that story. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:29.720 When I saw you share it, I just was stunned 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.959 at where I am right now. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:39.679 Because what the Republican Party is doing, what they are 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:49.440 waging is psychological warfare. This is terrorism. And I think that, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:55.720 you know, we need to stop using euphemisms, We need 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.240 to stop using their talking points by saying, oh, while 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.040 it's the opposition that is about you know, that is 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:09.000 anti abortion. No, they're not anti abortion. They are pro 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:17.560 terrorism and trauma. Because to put a person through what 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:24.199 that woman was put through, I cannot imagine already the 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.480 emotional toll, and that is just too light of a word. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.240 To carry a baby that you know is not viable 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:42.320 inside of your body, to labor for fifteen hours, and 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:47.400 to then not even leave the hospital with the ashes 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.920 of that baby so that you can begin your mourning process, 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:57.559 and not even being given the fucking time to begin 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.240 your mourning process before you have to go back to 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:08.360 work to grind for capitalism. I mean, I don't know 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.679 where to begin, and I just but I want to 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.040 say this real quick before you continue, because for those 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.520 people that are thinking to themselves, that are listening to 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.160 this and saying, well, this is why people need to 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.000 lead the state, know that when you say these things, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.600 and I have said them myself and have begun to 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.839 roll back those thoughts because it comes from a place 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.640 of privilege. It comes from a place of privilege to 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.360 say that people just need to lead their state as 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.440 if it is that fucking easy to do, and as 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.400 if everybody that is living inside of that state is 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:52.080 somehow aligned with the monstrous administration of Greg Abbott. Because 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.840 that is also false. But Denielle, please continue. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.040 Well, no, it's just I mean, I'm not in my 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.280 head because to your point, you know, it's so easy 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.280 to get past the political talking points if you just 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:08.240 listen to the people themselves. And so one of the 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.200 things about my job that I actually really love is 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.880 that has humbled me in silencing myself and what I 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.560 think people need to hear, because really it's the people 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.640 who've been impacted or saying it. They're saying it, and 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.000 if we just listened, we wouldn't need to search for 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.440 those euphemisms. As you so eloquently stated, they're saying it themselves. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:36.600 I mean, this mother said, I have PTSD. I had 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:40.920 to try and find, you know, a therapist. But I 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.840 was also having a piece together, all my sick leave, 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.440 all my vacation leave, I had to try to get 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.840 on disability. So she has a toddler. She goes. Now 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.120 I'm trying to get myself back to neutral, where I 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.120 can sleep, where I'm not seeing images of my daughter. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.560 And I also have to pray my my son doesn't 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.640 get sick for the rest of the year because I 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.680 don't have any more paid time off and I have 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:09.240 to pay my bills. If you just listen to them, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:13.640 the euphemism's pale in comparison to what the real people 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.000 who are experiencing these the ramifications of these laws are 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.640 actually dealing with on a day to day basis. And 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.800 to your point, then, to then tell this mother who's 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.040 trying to keep her family together and afloat while she's 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.520 navigating the trauma of a loss, by the way, just 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:39.359 pick up and leave is extremely not only just woefully 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.920 ignorant of the realities of all families really right now, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:49.440 but especially those who are trying to navigate these cross 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:56.200 these crossings, these multiple levels of harm being caused in 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.320 all areas of their lives. And that's one of the 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.000 things that you've you've talked about so frequently is that 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.680 it's not like these these issues are are siphoned off 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.600 to this group is just being harmed by this thing, 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.880 and this group group is just being harmed by this thing. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.120 It's no this group that's being harmed by a lack 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:20.040 of mandatory paid family leave is also being harmed by 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.240 a lack of access to to abortion care. That's also 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.480 being harmed by other anti abortion laws that make it 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.400 more difficult for people to move forward and grieve in 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.440 whatever way they see fit. These just a it's it's compounded, 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.680 and so of course people aren't going to leave their homes. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.400 They're fighting to keep their homes. And that's the reality. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.040 You know, And and I think here because you did, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.120 you know, just such a great job of connecting the dots. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.800 The problem Dniel too, that I find that Democrats fall 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.600 into on all of these issues is that they pick 0:16:54.680 --> 0:17:00.320 them apart as siloed issues. Right when, instead of us 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:07.920 talking about reproductive care and abortion and you know, paid 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.520 maternal leave and all of these things as these siloed issues. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.879 Just say, very clearly, if I'm a Democrat running for 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.920 office and I don't care where I'm running for office, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.560 Republicans don't care about family, and here are the bulleted 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.280 reasons as to why. Right So, if they want you 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.639 to have a child, then where are all of their 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:31.280 votes on healthcare? Where are all of their votes on 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.200 maternal leave? Where are all of their votes on ourn 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:40.720 child tax credits? Where are all their votes on public education? Right? Like, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:45.520 where are all of their votes on how you would 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:50.119 protect and grow this family that they are forcing people 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.160 to have? Because when you look at all of those 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.920 pieces and then you have these people talking now to 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.960 the other side of their fucking mouths, telling you like, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.879 oh no, where about detecting family and you're about killing babies, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:06.800 will tell me how, because what Democrats don't do is 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:11.560 put this vile, anti family political party on the defense 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.359 and make them explain all of the ways in which 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.639 they care about quote unquote families. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.719 And I think, you know, to that point again, I've 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.840 heard this from people who I've interviewed, especially in the 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:32.880 year since Rob Wade was overturned. I've spoken to people 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.280 who are Democrats. I've spoken to people who are Republicans. 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.840 I've spoken to moms who you know, voted for Trump 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.520 and then they found themselves needing abortion care, and then 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.320 they found themselves needing the very services that were taken 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:51.920 away from them. And while it's very easy to say, well, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.080 you know, reap what she sewed, what I really hear 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:59.600 beyond all of that is both no matter which political 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.240 party anyone is falling on, what they really want is 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:06.640 to stop the talking points that just become so regurgitated 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.280 to the point that the words are meaningless and they're 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:11.600 in one ear and not the other. And what they 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:12.800 want to hear is what are you really just going 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.000 to do for my family? Because you know, again, I 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.199 spoke to a mom in Arkansas, and she said, you know, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.840 I used to think that those words meant something. Now 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.480 I realize that they don't. And there isn't really anybody 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:33.199 who's who's wanting to look at all the problems that 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:41.000 we're facing holistically and talk to us as the complicated 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:46.240 people that we are. And I think, regardless of political leanings, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:53.439 oftentimes when a midterm comes around, or definitely as we 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:58.320 get to a presidential election, the talking points become dumber 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:06.160 and dumber and dumber, and people, look, anyone, anyone in 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.280 the US right now are at any one time dealing 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.480 with seventeen different issues and problems, right from finances to healthcare, 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:17.040 to mental health care, to their children, to their spouse, 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.960 to their ability to access care, to work life, back 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.760 to all of these things. And they want people to 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.600 talk to them as if they're you know, as if 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.680 that is their reality, because it is, and that never 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.880 happens again. It's all siloed and here's a dumbed down 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.600 version of the issue that you're dealing with, and people 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.960 that I speak to or saying, no, that's not my reality. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.480 My reality is I'm having to try to pay for 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.320 childcare that's out of my reach. I can't take time 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.600 off work because I have a baby. If I'm forced 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.400 to have a baby in a state that doesn't provide 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:57.120 any kind of funding for someone who's in poverty. Who 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.720 tells me my Medicaid can't cover services that I need. 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.000 Who's trying to take away my ability to pay for 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.960 baby food formula, anything with food stamps. I'm dealing with 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.600 a million issues and they're all intersecting. Please tell me 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.320 how you're going to deal with all these issues that 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.720 are intersecting to And unfortunately, again, the closer we get 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:20.080 to that voting day, it doesn't seem like those talking 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:25.520 points are as complicated. And honor the complication of people's lives, as. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:30.040 I guess, Yes, that is it, Danielle. Honor the complication 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:36.520 of people's lives. Honor the layeredness of people's lives, right, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.280 And that's how you speak to the issues, all of 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.119 them that are affecting them from A to Z and 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:49.400 back again. And I think to allow, frankly, the right 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:54.120 to create these caricatures when we have real life stories, 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.520 right that are not one in a million. They are 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:04.800 becoming the norm, right when we lift up those stories 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.840 and put spotlights where they belong right. We force them 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.200 right to look into the light and not be able 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:21.280 to hide their schemes and their lies in darkness. Before 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:25.040 I let you go, I do again because I am 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:29.359 very much about trying to connect these dots. You know 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:37.360 you are a mother of two small boys. I am 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.320 concerned about the environment and the world and the planet 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:46.360 that we are leaving for your boys and my nieces 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:50.080 and nephews, and so I want you to speak to 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:56.240 how you understand the issue of climate change as also 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.360 a family issue. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.560 Oh, I mean one hundred percent, And I can speak 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.879 to it in two ways. One just personally. Yes, my 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.560 boys are young there, four and eight, like so many 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:16.240 families across the country, especially since COVID nineteen and the 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:21.000 ongoing issues surrounding COVID nineteen. My youngest, who's four, has 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.480 been in the ICU twice for RSV, So we take 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.920 his breathing issues and his health overall, including of course 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.760 the health of my year old, extremely seriously. So on 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:36.000 top of these record setting heat waves across the country 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.240 that's kept my sons inside just because it's simply too 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.080 hot for them to go outside. On days when we 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.520 could send them outside, I kept them indoors because they 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.160 can't breathe the air. We have wild fires going on 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:55.200 in Canada, and even for sensitive groups you know that 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:59.959 include my young youngest child, they can't go out outside. 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.560 So now I'm working from home trying to keep them 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:08.320 safe indoors. I can't pay for childcare during the summer. 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:11.760 It costs a ridiculous amount of money. And so just 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.879 from that kind of standpoint, I see the ways in 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.880 which climate change has an adverse effect on not only 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:18.760 the mental health of my children. They need to be 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.639 going outside, they should be able to go outside and 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.480 enjoy their time, but their mother's mental health as well. 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.120 Because I can tell you that it's been a difficult 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.760 couple of months. But that's I'm very privileged and I'm 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.080 very very lucky I have the ability to keep my 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:36.320 son safe. What about the individuals who don't have access 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.200 to air conditioning, the individuals who are living in states 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.879 with rolling blackouts, who can't turn on their air conditioning, 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:49.200 who can't keep the food in their home cold. I mean, 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:52.560 we've seen not only studies show that climate change is 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.360 a big concern for people who were once considering families 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:58.719 and now they don't want to start a family, not 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:01.760 to mention that in plenty of states, those same people 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:05.760 don't want to potentially get pregnant, suffer a pregnancy complication, 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.720 and be denied care that could take them away from 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.080 a potential future child. But then we're also seeing the 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:19.320 ways that climate events, particularly catastrophic ones hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, earthquakes, 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:26.560 can actually cause health issues in pregnancy. The adverse health 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:31.119 when it comes to anemia, preclampsia, low birthrate, preterm birth. 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.960 They can cause miscarriages even and this isn't anything new, 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.000 by the way. In twenty thirteen, there was a multinational 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.760 study that showed that air pollution increases the risks of 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.160 a low birth rate. And for anyone who doesn't know, 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:45.720 if a child is born with a low birth rate, 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.520 they have a higher risk of premature death, heart problems, 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:50.720 they get breathing issues for the rest of their lives. 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:56.440 It's estimated that in temperatures that go above ninety degrees 0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:01.160 very quickly, they responsible for twenty five thus early births 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:05.480 in this country each year. Wow, that's twenty five thousand 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:12.359 premature births each year as a result of increased heat 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.639 ninety degrees and above. There are some states in this country. 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.240 You have been at one eight one point fifteen for weeks. 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:23.480 So again, those are the same states, unfortunately that also 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:28.040 limit access to abortion care, that are keeping doctors from 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.560 caring for their patients that are having complications because they're 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.680 afraid they're going to go to jail. So climate change 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:39.480 is impacting families at the same time that reproductive healthcare, 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:44.919 that reproductive justice, inability to access unnecessary care is harming families. 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:51.119 These are, without a doubt linked, inexplicably linked, because we 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:56.360 never actually talk about it enough, and unfortunately, unless we 0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:00.600 do something, then yeah, my son's, your nieces, nephews are 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.239 going to have an even larger problem than the one 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:03.240 we're facing right now. 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.800 Oh, Danielle, I tell you that I could always speak 0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:11.280 to you for hours. I feel like every time I 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:18.040 leave a conversation with you, I leave more just intent 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:23.080 on bringing more light to these stories, just more intent 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:30.119 on the fight against patriarchy and misogyny, and you know, 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.840 also just more hopeful because of people like you and 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:38.000 the work that you do. I can't thank you enough 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:42.359 for continuing to do the work that you do to 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.440 bring these stories to light. I appreciate you so very much. 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.159 Oh my dear friend, Well, I appreciate you and the 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.480 same to you, and I gotta say no, it's easy 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.400 to get bogged down, but listening to people share their 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:57.800