1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikap Daily with Meet 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the home bunker, Folks, 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: I am taking a little respite, but as always I 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: leave you guys with fresh content and interviews. And today 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: I am talking to friend of the show and friend 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: of mine, Danielle Campomore. And Danielle and I get into 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: a really great conversation. You know that usually when she 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: comes on, we're talking about abortion, We're talking about reproductive 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: rights and access, and she gives us, you know, through 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: her columns that she does at today dot com, she 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: gives us an insight into moving beyond the statistics and 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: the headlines into the lives of women and people with 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: uteruses that have been harmed by the Supreme Courts overting 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: of Roby Wade. And in today's discussion, we also talk 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: about the effects that climate change is going to have 16 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: on reproductive health and care. And something that was alarming 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: to me that Danielle will bring our attention to is 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: this that when people who are pregnant are in heat 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: that exceeds ninety five degrees, which if you look at 20 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: a heat map right now, the United States is pretty 21 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,639 Speaker 1: much a majority of the fucking country that excessive heat 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: on pregnant people induces labor, meaning that people will go 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: into labor earlier, have babies premature, which could in fact 24 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: then result in a number of issues that those premature 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: babies face. And so again, just wanting to connect the 26 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: dots to all of these issues that are spoken about 27 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: in silos like, oh, well, we're talking about climate change, 28 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about the heat over there, but we're not 29 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: really talking about how it's going to affect our work 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: or food, or our transportation or our livelihood. So this 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: is a conversation I think is very illuminating with Danielle. 32 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: So I hope that you guys enjoy it, folks. I 33 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: am very excited to welcome back to WOK at the 34 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Daily a friend of the show and friend of mine, 35 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: Danielle Campemore, who is a columnist at Today Family for 36 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: today dot Com. And I'm sure you have read her writing, 37 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: you have seen her on MSNBC and in other places 38 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: talking about the weight, the burden, the despair that has 39 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: been placed on families across this country as they are 40 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: dealing with the horrendous ripple effects from the overturning of 41 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: Ruby Wade, And I mean, there are just so many pieces, 42 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: Danielle outside of I feel like basic bodily autonomy and 43 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: reproductive freedom. But you know, what you and I often 44 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: talk about, I feel is something that I want to 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: lift up again, which is that a majority of people, 46 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: women and people with uteruses that seek abortions are already parents, 47 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: are already mothers. And so I just want you to 48 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: be able to kind of like, let's bring some light 49 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: to that statistic and reality to push back against the 50 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: rights you know, imaginary figure that women and people with 51 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: uteruses somehow use abortion as birth control. 52 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so another one. Thank you so much for having me, 53 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: for that marvelous introduction, Always so humble to join you, 54 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: and absolutely a thousand percent. Unfortunately, throughout history and discussing 55 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: abortion access and reproductive rights in this country, it has 56 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: been taken out of context. It has been kidnapped by 57 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: political talking points, It has been manipulated by people with 58 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: nefarious reasons, with nefarious deeds in mind, to have this 59 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: be the antithesis of families, the antithesis of parenthood. When 60 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: the majority of people who access abortion care already have 61 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: at least one child at home, they know exactly what 62 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: it's like to carry a pregnancy to term, to give 63 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: birth in whatever way that look like for them, and 64 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: then the trials, tribulations, and of course also the joys 65 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 2: that come along with raising that child, from postpartum care 66 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: to financial stability, the difficulties in trying to navigate the 67 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: education system in this country, what it's like to parent 68 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: during finance troubling times. They know exactly what that is like. 69 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: So these decisions aren't taken as a rebuke of motherhood 70 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: or of parenthood. It's often in celebration of parenthood, and 71 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: it's often to sustain parenthood. It's to allow them to 72 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: continue to parent the children that they already have. And 73 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: studies have shown that when people don't have access to 74 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: abortion care, it is mothers and it is their children, 75 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: and it is their families who suffer the most. They're 76 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: more likely to live in poverty, their children are more 77 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: likely to meet milestones at a later date than their peers. 78 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: They're more likely to not have access to adequate food 79 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: their mothers and their parents aren't able to access the 80 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: workforce the same capacity as their peers who are able 81 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: to access abortion care, and so it has rippling effects, 82 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: not just for the person whose autonomy wasn't honored in 83 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: a moment of personal planning and family planning, but it 84 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: impacts their children and impacts their whole families, and as 85 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: a result, impacts entire communities who are then forced to 86 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: step up and to help support these parents who could 87 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: have otherwise perhaps done that themselves if given the freedom 88 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: to access abortion care. 89 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's just this is why you know, I 90 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: continue to always applaud the work that you do because 91 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: stories are so important, and I think that you know, 92 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: I want to ask you this, like, how do you 93 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: find or have you found your story telling change because 94 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: of the waves, the tidal waves of misinformation that we 95 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: have been dealing with for the last eight years, Like 96 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: has your storytelling on this issue of family, of bodily 97 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: autonomy of abortion, has it had to change or how 98 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: has it changed over the last eight years? 99 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: What an incredible question. And you know it hasn't so 100 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: much changed as there has been more urgency in centering 101 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 2: those that are most impacted prior to definitely the fall 102 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: of Row, but in the years even leading up to it, 103 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: where we saw a real push to disassemble access to 104 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: abortion in this country piece by piece, whether it be 105 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: gestational bands or just completely superfluous laws put on clinics 106 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: that provide abortion care, the providers who are there, requiring 107 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: hospital privileges for example. There was this push to both 108 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: sides it and to really keep this as a political 109 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 2: discussion in where we have a nation divided, and that's 110 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: never been the case. But I think mainstream media in 111 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: particular were able to kind of or at least felt 112 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: perhaps okay with letting that go to a certain extent 113 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: until we really saw the ramifications of what happens to 114 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: people who aren't able to access abortion care. The Turnaway 115 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: Study was a huge part of that. For ten years, 116 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: they studied what happens to people, to families when they 117 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: can't access care, and it's devastating. And so I think 118 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: that there was a laxadaisical coverage in it. And then 119 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: as we saw that not changing as quickly as the 120 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: abortion landscape was changing, the urgency in which to center 121 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: people just was born out of that same desperation that 122 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: so many people were feeling. And I have to tell you, Danielle, 123 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: I mean, the story that's really kind of hitting me 124 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: in this moment is just last week I spoke to 125 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: a mother in Texas, she gave birth to a stillborn 126 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: baby girl thirty seven weeks. She was devastating. This was 127 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: months ago and she was still in tears crying to 128 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: me sharing her story. She was denied maternity leave in 129 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: the state of Texas because FMLA does not cover stillborn babies, 130 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: so she was told she had to come back to 131 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: work while she was still reeling from the mental, emotional, 132 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: and certainly physical. You know, just toll it takes to 133 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: give birth to any child, alive or dead, and she 134 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: was in labor for fifteen hours. But also because she 135 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: lives in the state of Texas, there's an anti abortion 136 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: law that that requires all fetal remains to be handled 137 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: by a funeral home, so she didn't get to leave 138 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: the hospital with her daughter's ashes. Instead, she had the 139 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: additional burden of pain for services at a funeral home. 140 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: She didn't receive her daughter's remains for a month, and 141 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: she was told to return to work before then harm 142 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: that these laws cause women family. She was also again 143 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: caring for a toddler at this time. It is profound 144 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: and whether it's intended or not, whether she was the 145 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: target audience of this anti abortion law because she was 146 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: a mom who was very excited about the prospect of 147 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: having a daughter. She was harm nonetheless, and so that 148 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: is what's really kind of changed for me is this urgency. 149 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: This not to romanticize my calling, but this profound sense 150 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: of it. It's a need, it's it's a duty, an obligation, 151 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: and an honor, and one that without these stories, again, 152 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: the only noise we hear is the political talking points 153 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: of those who are not in acted by these laws. 154 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: We have to elevate the people ahead of the politician 155 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: in order for people to truly understand what's going on 156 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: across the country. 157 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: I have no words for that story. 158 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: When I saw you share it, I just was stunned 159 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 3: at where I am right now. 160 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: Because what the Republican Party is doing, what they are 161 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: waging is psychological warfare. This is terrorism. And I think that, 162 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, we need to stop using euphemisms, We need 163 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: to stop using their talking points by saying, oh, while 164 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: it's the opposition that is about you know, that is 165 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: anti abortion. No, they're not anti abortion. They are pro 166 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: terrorism and trauma. Because to put a person through what 167 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: that woman was put through, I cannot imagine already the 168 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: emotional toll, and that is just too light of a word. 169 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: To carry a baby that you know is not viable 170 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: inside of your body, to labor for fifteen hours, and 171 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: to then not even leave the hospital with the ashes 172 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: of that baby so that you can begin your mourning process, 173 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: and not even being given the fucking time to begin 174 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: your mourning process before you have to go back to 175 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: work to grind for capitalism. I mean, I don't know 176 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: where to begin, and I just but I want to 177 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: say this real quick before you continue, because for those 178 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: people that are thinking to themselves, that are listening to 179 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: this and saying, well, this is why people need to 180 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: lead the state, know that when you say these things, 181 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: and I have said them myself and have begun to 182 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: roll back those thoughts because it comes from a place 183 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: of privilege. It comes from a place of privilege to 184 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: say that people just need to lead their state as 185 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: if it is that fucking easy to do, and as 186 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: if everybody that is living inside of that state is 187 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: somehow aligned with the monstrous administration of Greg Abbott. Because 188 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: that is also false. But Denielle, please continue. 189 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: Well, no, it's just I mean, I'm not in my 190 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: head because to your point, you know, it's so easy 191 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: to get past the political talking points if you just 192 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: listen to the people themselves. And so one of the 193 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: things about my job that I actually really love is 194 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: that has humbled me in silencing myself and what I 195 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: think people need to hear, because really it's the people 196 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: who've been impacted or saying it. They're saying it, and 197 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: if we just listened, we wouldn't need to search for 198 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: those euphemisms. As you so eloquently stated, they're saying it themselves. 199 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: I mean, this mother said, I have PTSD. I had 200 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: to try and find, you know, a therapist. But I 201 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: was also having a piece together, all my sick leave, 202 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: all my vacation leave, I had to try to get 203 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: on disability. So she has a toddler. She goes. Now 204 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get myself back to neutral, where I 205 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: can sleep, where I'm not seeing images of my daughter. 206 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: And I also have to pray my my son doesn't 207 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: get sick for the rest of the year because I 208 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: don't have any more paid time off and I have 209 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: to pay my bills. If you just listen to them, 210 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: the euphemism's pale in comparison to what the real people 211 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: who are experiencing these the ramifications of these laws are 212 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: actually dealing with on a day to day basis. And 213 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: to your point, then, to then tell this mother who's 214 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: trying to keep her family together and afloat while she's 215 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: navigating the trauma of a loss, by the way, just 216 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:39,359 Speaker 2: pick up and leave is extremely not only just woefully 217 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: ignorant of the realities of all families really right now, 218 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: but especially those who are trying to navigate these cross 219 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: these crossings, these multiple levels of harm being caused in 220 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: all areas of their lives. And that's one of the 221 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: things that you've you've talked about so frequently is that 222 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: it's not like these these issues are are siphoned off 223 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: to this group is just being harmed by this thing, 224 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: and this group group is just being harmed by this thing. 225 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: It's no this group that's being harmed by a lack 226 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: of mandatory paid family leave is also being harmed by 227 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: a lack of access to to abortion care. That's also 228 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: being harmed by other anti abortion laws that make it 229 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: more difficult for people to move forward and grieve in 230 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: whatever way they see fit. These just a it's it's compounded, 231 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: and so of course people aren't going to leave their homes. 232 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: They're fighting to keep their homes. And that's the reality. 233 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: You know, And and I think here because you did, 234 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, just such a great job of connecting the dots. 235 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: The problem Dniel too, that I find that Democrats fall 236 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: into on all of these issues is that they pick 237 00:16:54,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: them apart as siloed issues. Right when, instead of us 238 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: talking about reproductive care and abortion and you know, paid 239 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: maternal leave and all of these things as these siloed issues. 240 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: Just say, very clearly, if I'm a Democrat running for 241 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: office and I don't care where I'm running for office, 242 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Republicans don't care about family, and here are the bulleted 243 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: reasons as to why. Right So, if they want you 244 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: to have a child, then where are all of their 245 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: votes on healthcare? Where are all of their votes on 246 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: maternal leave? Where are all of their votes on ourn 247 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: child tax credits? Where are all their votes on public education? Right? Like, 248 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: where are all of their votes on how you would 249 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: protect and grow this family that they are forcing people 250 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: to have? Because when you look at all of those 251 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: pieces and then you have these people talking now to 252 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: the other side of their fucking mouths, telling you like, 253 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: oh no, where about detecting family and you're about killing babies, 254 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: will tell me how, because what Democrats don't do is 255 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: put this vile, anti family political party on the defense 256 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: and make them explain all of the ways in which 257 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: they care about quote unquote families. 258 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, to that point again, I've 259 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: heard this from people who I've interviewed, especially in the 260 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: year since Rob Wade was overturned. I've spoken to people 261 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: who are Democrats. I've spoken to people who are Republicans. 262 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: I've spoken to moms who you know, voted for Trump 263 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: and then they found themselves needing abortion care, and then 264 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: they found themselves needing the very services that were taken 265 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: away from them. And while it's very easy to say, well, 266 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, reap what she sewed, what I really hear 267 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: beyond all of that is both no matter which political 268 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: party anyone is falling on, what they really want is 269 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: to stop the talking points that just become so regurgitated 270 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: to the point that the words are meaningless and they're 271 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: in one ear and not the other. And what they 272 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: want to hear is what are you really just going 273 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: to do for my family? Because you know, again, I 274 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 2: spoke to a mom in Arkansas, and she said, you know, 275 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: I used to think that those words meant something. Now 276 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: I realize that they don't. And there isn't really anybody 277 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: who's who's wanting to look at all the problems that 278 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: we're facing holistically and talk to us as the complicated 279 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: people that we are. And I think, regardless of political leanings, 280 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: oftentimes when a midterm comes around, or definitely as we 281 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: get to a presidential election, the talking points become dumber 282 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: and dumber and dumber, and people, look, anyone, anyone in 283 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: the US right now are at any one time dealing 284 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: with seventeen different issues and problems, right from finances to healthcare, 285 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: to mental health care, to their children, to their spouse, 286 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: to their ability to access care, to work life, back 287 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: to all of these things. And they want people to 288 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: talk to them as if they're you know, as if 289 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: that is their reality, because it is, and that never 290 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 2: happens again. It's all siloed and here's a dumbed down 291 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: version of the issue that you're dealing with, and people 292 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: that I speak to or saying, no, that's not my reality. 293 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: My reality is I'm having to try to pay for 294 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: childcare that's out of my reach. I can't take time 295 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: off work because I have a baby. If I'm forced 296 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 2: to have a baby in a state that doesn't provide 297 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: any kind of funding for someone who's in poverty. Who 298 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: tells me my Medicaid can't cover services that I need. 299 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: Who's trying to take away my ability to pay for 300 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: baby food formula, anything with food stamps. I'm dealing with 301 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: a million issues and they're all intersecting. Please tell me 302 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: how you're going to deal with all these issues that 303 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: are intersecting to And unfortunately, again, the closer we get 304 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: to that voting day, it doesn't seem like those talking 305 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: points are as complicated. And honor the complication of people's lives, as. 306 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I guess, Yes, that is it, Danielle. Honor the complication 307 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: of people's lives. Honor the layeredness of people's lives, right, 308 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: And that's how you speak to the issues, all of 309 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: them that are affecting them from A to Z and 310 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: back again. And I think to allow, frankly, the right 311 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: to create these caricatures when we have real life stories, 312 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: right that are not one in a million. They are 313 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: becoming the norm, right when we lift up those stories 314 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: and put spotlights where they belong right. We force them 315 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: right to look into the light and not be able 316 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: to hide their schemes and their lies in darkness. Before 317 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: I let you go, I do again because I am 318 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: very much about trying to connect these dots. You know 319 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: you are a mother of two small boys. I am 320 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: concerned about the environment and the world and the planet 321 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: that we are leaving for your boys and my nieces 322 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: and nephews, and so I want you to speak to 323 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: how you understand the issue of climate change as also 324 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: a family issue. 325 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean one hundred percent, And I can speak 326 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: to it in two ways. One just personally. Yes, my 327 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: boys are young there, four and eight, like so many 328 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: families across the country, especially since COVID nineteen and the 329 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: ongoing issues surrounding COVID nineteen. My youngest, who's four, has 330 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: been in the ICU twice for RSV, So we take 331 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: his breathing issues and his health overall, including of course 332 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: the health of my year old, extremely seriously. So on 333 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: top of these record setting heat waves across the country 334 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: that's kept my sons inside just because it's simply too 335 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: hot for them to go outside. On days when we 336 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: could send them outside, I kept them indoors because they 337 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: can't breathe the air. We have wild fires going on 338 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: in Canada, and even for sensitive groups you know that 339 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 2: include my young youngest child, they can't go out outside. 340 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: So now I'm working from home trying to keep them 341 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: safe indoors. I can't pay for childcare during the summer. 342 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: It costs a ridiculous amount of money. And so just 343 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: from that kind of standpoint, I see the ways in 344 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: which climate change has an adverse effect on not only 345 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: the mental health of my children. They need to be 346 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: going outside, they should be able to go outside and 347 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: enjoy their time, but their mother's mental health as well. 348 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: Because I can tell you that it's been a difficult 349 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: couple of months. But that's I'm very privileged and I'm 350 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: very very lucky I have the ability to keep my 351 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: son safe. What about the individuals who don't have access 352 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: to air conditioning, the individuals who are living in states 353 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: with rolling blackouts, who can't turn on their air conditioning, 354 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: who can't keep the food in their home cold. I mean, 355 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: we've seen not only studies show that climate change is 356 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 2: a big concern for people who were once considering families 357 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 2: and now they don't want to start a family, not 358 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: to mention that in plenty of states, those same people 359 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: don't want to potentially get pregnant, suffer a pregnancy complication, 360 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 2: and be denied care that could take them away from 361 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: a potential future child. But then we're also seeing the 362 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: ways that climate events, particularly catastrophic ones hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, earthquakes, 363 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: can actually cause health issues in pregnancy. The adverse health 364 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: when it comes to anemia, preclampsia, low birthrate, preterm birth. 365 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: They can cause miscarriages even and this isn't anything new, 366 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: by the way. In twenty thirteen, there was a multinational 367 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: study that showed that air pollution increases the risks of 368 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: a low birth rate. And for anyone who doesn't know, 369 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: if a child is born with a low birth rate, 370 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: they have a higher risk of premature death, heart problems, 371 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: they get breathing issues for the rest of their lives. 372 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: It's estimated that in temperatures that go above ninety degrees 373 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: very quickly, they responsible for twenty five thus early births 374 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: in this country each year. Wow, that's twenty five thousand 375 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: premature births each year as a result of increased heat 376 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: ninety degrees and above. There are some states in this country. 377 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: You have been at one eight one point fifteen for weeks. 378 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: So again, those are the same states, unfortunately that also 379 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: limit access to abortion care, that are keeping doctors from 380 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: caring for their patients that are having complications because they're 381 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: afraid they're going to go to jail. So climate change 382 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: is impacting families at the same time that reproductive healthcare, 383 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 2: that reproductive justice, inability to access unnecessary care is harming families. 384 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: These are, without a doubt linked, inexplicably linked, because we 385 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 2: never actually talk about it enough, and unfortunately, unless we 386 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: do something, then yeah, my son's, your nieces, nephews are 387 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 2: going to have an even larger problem than the one 388 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: we're facing right now. 389 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: Oh, Danielle, I tell you that I could always speak 390 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: to you for hours. I feel like every time I 391 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: leave a conversation with you, I leave more just intent 392 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: on bringing more light to these stories, just more intent 393 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: on the fight against patriarchy and misogyny, and you know, 394 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: also just more hopeful because of people like you and 395 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: the work that you do. I can't thank you enough 396 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: for continuing to do the work that you do to 397 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: bring these stories to light. I appreciate you so very much. 398 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: Oh my dear friend, Well, I appreciate you and the 399 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: same to you, and I gotta say no, it's easy 400 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 2: to get bogged down, but listening to people share their 401 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: stories there's power in that too. Even in the worst story, 402 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: that people get up and say, you know, with my 403 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: full whole chest, I'm going to tell this story. Yeah, 404 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: is incredible to me. So thank you for that privilege 405 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: of being able to extend their voices even even further. 406 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: It's always an honor and you just keep doing the 407 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: work and I'll be here you too. 408 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 3: Thank you. 409 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on woke 410 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: app as always power to the people and to all 411 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.