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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, James, You're back with another bonus episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. Bonus very special in you today.

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Speaker 1: You see him, you hear him. It's Howie Rose, the

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Speaker 1: radio voice of the Mets. How We first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this with us.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure, James, bonus huh.

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Speaker 1: No extra cost, No, no extra cost, well not for

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Speaker 1: us necessarily, but it can start you off something very difficult.

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Speaker 1: We did this with Wayne too, hard hitting questions. Only

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Speaker 1: if you had to have one cup of tea and

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Speaker 1: there's one caveat here, it's either hot or over iced.

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Speaker 3: What are you reaching for?

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Speaker 2: English breakfast bigelow.

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Speaker 4: Perfect, Not a tea man myself. I know James's a

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Speaker 4: little more tea than Meh.

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Speaker 2: All right, well you could learn.

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Speaker 3: It's tough. I wake up a little bit later than most.

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Speaker 2: So that's okay. Caffeine last year, as long as you

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Speaker 2: needed too.

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Speaker 3: I'm caffeany too.

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Speaker 1: If you want to start your day off with a

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Speaker 1: warm cup of tea or or over ice.

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Speaker 2: You guys are stealing my lines. That's all right, though.

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Speaker 3: James has been listening to you.

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Speaker 4: I mean I watched TV more just because I'm around

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Speaker 4: but like obviously we know about the radio. James is

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Speaker 4: an avid, diehard radio always guy, so he knows it well.

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Speaker 2: And you never listen to radio. You wouldn't lower yourself.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 2: All right, he's out of this show. What do you say?

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Speaker 1: We got different sense of the game on the radio,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of one of the most beautiful things.

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Speaker 1: And you you announced games on the radio, went on television,

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Speaker 1: so maybe talk to us about some of the key

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Speaker 1: differences between them.

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Speaker 2: Well, there, you know what, they couldn't be any more different.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you that in all candor, I think

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Speaker 2: if you polled most TV guys who do baseball now,

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Speaker 2: assuming they've done both, they would tell you that they

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Speaker 2: enjoy doing radio more. It's the greatest challenge to me

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Speaker 2: in sports broadcasting because it obviously moves at a slower

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Speaker 2: pace baseball does than the other sports. So is the

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Speaker 2: play by play announcer. You really have an obligation to

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Speaker 2: paint a word picture. That's given that you need to

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Speaker 2: do that, but you also need to be able to

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Speaker 2: weave in stories and anecdotes and facts and goodness, don't

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Speaker 2: get too caught up in statistics because you'll just bore

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Speaker 2: people to death with that. But the point is that

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Speaker 2: you need to be able to do so much more

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Speaker 2: to create a vivid image of what's happening on the

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Speaker 2: field and also keep the attention of your listeners apart

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Speaker 2: from ball one, strike one A. Television doesn't allow for that.

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Speaker 2: You just basically narrate and punctuate on television. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: TV's more lucrative. But I've always enjoyed from a grassroots perspective,

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Speaker 2: radio more than anything.

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Speaker 4: You've been a part of. I mean, the Mets have

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Speaker 4: had historic broadcasters throughout time, and the list goes on

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Speaker 4: and on. How is it to just be a part

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Speaker 2: You know, it's humbling at times. We have a picture

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Speaker 2: in our booth next door which I beg them to

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Speaker 2: put up for me when we moved in here, and

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Speaker 2: that is Lindsay Nelson, Bob Murphy and Ralph Kiner, who

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Speaker 2: the original Mets broadcasters back then. They alternated each game

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Speaker 2: between radio and television, and they were in your eyes

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Speaker 2: eight months out of every year, and so they really

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Speaker 2: did feel like family, and to be considered part of

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Speaker 2: that lineage is humbling in itself. But for me to

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Speaker 2: the fact that I'm doing now what those guys did,

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Speaker 2: knowing full well what they meant to me. With the

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Speaker 2: perspective from other listeners that Wayne and I and Gary,

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Speaker 2: Keith and Ron have that same impact on viewers and

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Speaker 1: It, especially since you did jump into that radio booth

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Speaker 1: and took the mantle from Bob Murphy directly. It's kind

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Speaker 2: You know. There were different iterations of the Mets broadcast

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Speaker 2: Mets fandom is I keep coming back to the same

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Speaker 2: word humbling. I mean, I'm pretty introspective guy by nature,

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Speaker 2: if I really close my eyes and imagine myself back

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Speaker 2: was when the Mets won the nineteen sixty nine World Series,

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Speaker 2: and fast forward ahead now fifty three years to what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like we kind of find

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Speaker 4: but for me and James, we've been lifelong Mets fans

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Speaker 4: all first memories or with the Mets, So now to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, associated working alongside with the team, and especially

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Speaker 1: It's such a crazy experience to be a part of

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Speaker 1: and something that Wayne talked about a lot. If you

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Speaker 1: guys didn't listen to the interview do with Wayne. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you check that out. Great interview. He talked about

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Speaker 1: pulling a lot from you to kind of grow as

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The Marv Albert was the biggest by far. When I

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Speaker 2: my friends and I started a fan club from Marv.

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Speaker 2: He was only at that point doing the Rangers on radio.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you fall in love with something

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Speaker 2: So started a fan club for Marv, and he took

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Speaker 2: when he saw that I would there with my tape recorder,

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Speaker 2: really give me sound constructive criticism, and he'd say this

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's invaluable. And so I've had a lot

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Speaker 2: back to my earliest ambitions, but Marv was by far

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Speaker 4: Was there one piece of advice from Marv that really

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Speaker 2: Additially, Yeah, was find another objective and another line of work.

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Speaker 2: He was very very encouraging because and he's told me

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Speaker 2: He said that I reminded him of himself when he

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Speaker 3: This beautiful story.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure everyone out there's pretty familiar Marve Albert

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest hope songs You've ever done.

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Speaker 4: It.

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Speaker 1: Now, we're gonna come back to baseball at some point,

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Speaker 1: but you mentioned the Rangers. You mentioned hockey. I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you about your careers of hockey broadcast, because

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are a handful of met fans out

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Speaker 1: I specifically want to ask you about your most famous call,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four ninety ninety five Eastern Conference Finals.

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Speaker 2: Were you even born yet?

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Speaker 3: We were born the year after that.

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Speaker 1: I'm a six years that calls beverage. I'm a diehard

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Speaker 4: Yep, my mom big Ranger fan as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, just yesterday in these hallways, my dad.

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Speaker 2: You redeem yourself from correct.

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Speaker 1: Just yesterday, my dad called that game against the Devil's

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Speaker 1: the second greatest game he's ever watched, only behind nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six Game six against the Red Sox. So can

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Speaker 1: then making your call, then even going on to play

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Speaker 2: Crazy Game six against the Devil Game six against the Devils?

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Speaker 2: Go sorry. Game seven against the Devils was set up

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Speaker 2: You have to understand the culture then. The Rangers had

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Speaker 2: not won the Stanley Cup since nineteen forty. The Islanders

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Speaker 2: the Rangers for the Stanley Cup. The Rangers had beaten

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Speaker 2: so you know, on one hand, you might have thought, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this semi final or conference final is going to be

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Speaker 2: a cake walk, but the Devils weren't that type of team.

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Speaker 2: Those games during the regular season were pretty close, and

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Speaker 2: it was very apparent that the Devils were a legitimate

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Speaker 2: Stanley Cup contender. That series was sick. I mean that series,

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Speaker 2: every shift was like pulling teeth to find some level

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Speaker 2: of any other cliches and metaphors, but they would all fit.

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Speaker 2: The way to sum it up is it was torture.

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Speaker 2: That series was torture. So now they're down three games

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Speaker 1: This might, in all likelihood be our last hockey question.

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Speaker 2: It was great for me because the Islanders weren't some

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Speaker 4: Had to be happy that there wasn't Twitter then, right

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Speaker 2: And for a guy who wasn't wanted by the fan

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Speaker 3: It's a badge of honor to have.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of that.

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Speaker 3: It's almost as long as you've done the Mets games

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Speaker 2: Well radio, TV and pre and postgame show. Doing this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what do you are like now that you

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Speaker 2: I grew up here just a little since day one.

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Speaker 2: Well when I It's an interesting question because when I

440
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: started my professional affiliation with the Mets, it was nineteen

441
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: eighty seven and they had just won the World Series.

442
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: You'll note, by the way, I got here in eighty seven.

443
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: They won their most recent World Series the year before.

444
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: Just saying, but my job back then was as a

445
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 2: pre and postgame host, and we took phone calls and

446
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: it was a very fan driven show. I'm especially proud

447
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: of the work that I did with Davey Johnson those

448
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: first few years because it became a lot of people

449
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: tell me must listen radio for Mets fans. Because Davey

450
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: allowed me to approach the interviews with him as you

451
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: would with any other beat writer speaking to a manager,

452
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: and so he really really gave us a lot of

453
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: stuff and sometimes said a lot of things that would

454
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 2: irk the front office too, which put me in the

455
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: middle of it, and I would get caught in the crosshairs,

456
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: and that wasn't always comfortable. So, you know, when I

457
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: morphed from doing pre and post into doing part time

458
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: play by play on radio and then the full time

459
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: cable package on television with some of the over the

460
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: air games too, and then all of the games on

461
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: radio years after that, you know, by then I had

462
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: learned that when you're doing play by player, not doing

463
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: a talk show, it's a much much different skill set

464
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: that you have to bring to the booth. When you're

465
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: doing play by play, you can't make it about yourself.

466
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: It's the game. When you're doing a show that is

467
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 2: personality driven, then it's about you, but not when you're

468
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 2: doing play by play. It took a while to adjust

469
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: to that. I had to learn how to subjugate certain

470
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: emotions that I might have about how to present either

471
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: criticism of a play or question a decision that a

472
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: manager or a coach might have made. You learn how

473
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: to do that as a play by play guy as

474
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: opposed as a talk show host. That was the biggest

475
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: difference for me.

476
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Speaker 4: That's great, that's insight.

477
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: We definitely love ye.

478
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Speaker 2: I'm here to help.

479
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: Touched on before all the way at the beginning here

480
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: was that you were in the booth with Gary for

481
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: a few years, two years. So that is something that's

482
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: very probably vexing to the modern mess fans because you

483
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: guys have similar roles. You both did to play by

484
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: play TV and radio. So what was it like being

485
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: in the booth together? How was the game delineated? Who

486
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: talked about what when? How did you even each find

487
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: a second together?

488
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Speaker 2: Word?

489
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Speaker 3: Oh?

490
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: It was it was easy because we had sort of

491
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: a symbiotic relationship based on our backgrounds. You know, we

492
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: knew what we brought to the table and that one

493
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: could bail the other out if he was thinking about

494
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: maybe a play or a player that was trying to

495
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: remember or articulate something about that doesn't quite come to

496
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: mind instantly. We kind of felt like we were at

497
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: the point where we could complete each other's sentences, you know,

498
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: because of our sensibilities around the Mets. But I'll say this,

499
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: and this is the greatest thing that I took from

500
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: those two years, apart from my friendship with Gary and

501
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: just enjoying being in the booth with him every night,

502
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: that was special in and of itself. I mean, that's

503
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: like I said, with your friend in the upper deck

504
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: watching the game together, that's what it was. We do

505
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: exactly hang out and you treasure that and you will

506
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: down the road when you don't do it anymore, believe me,

507
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 2: because when you're in the moment, I'm not trying to

508
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: make your old time. But you know, when you're in

509
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: the moment, you're so consumed by the job. But years later,

510
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: even in an off season years, yeah, I hope, so

511
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: you know you'll think back and say, man, that was

512
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: really cool. That's how I felt about working with Gary

513
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: just as a friend, but most importantly, I learned more

514
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: about how to broadcast baseball on radio from being with

515
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: Gary in those two years that I did in all

516
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: the years before and have it all the years since.

517
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: There is so much that goes into describing a baseball

518
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: game on radio, and Gary does not miss anything. And so,

519
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: whereas you might think as a play by play announcer

520
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: that a play ends when let's say there's a base

521
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: that that drives in a run, it doesn't end when

522
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: you report who got the hit and who's on first

523
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: base having driven in so and so. It's what's going

524
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: on in the dugout, what's the crowd reaction, what's the

525
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: opposition looking at what's going on in there? Doug. You know,

526
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: there's just so much that goes into making a call that,

527
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: if you're going to do it well, transcends just base

528
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: hit RBI and watching Gary describe every nuance and every

529
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: movement and every play in a way that best positions

530
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: a listener to see it with his or her own eyes,

531
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: even though they can't. That's what I drew from those

532
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 2: two years from Gary, and that is priceless. You you

533
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: can't buy that, you can't read it in the book.

534
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: You have to experience it. I experienced his preparation how

535
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: we organized the broadcast, which is something I thought I

536
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: was pretty haphazard at seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all

537
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: evolve over time, and the two years that I worked

538
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: with Gary allowed me to evolve to a point where

539
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: I would hope I'm a better broadcaster now than I

540
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: was before I started with him. Yeah.

541
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: I mean, Mets fans, we're so lucky that whether it

542
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 4: be on TV or radio, however you take in the game,

543
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: you both of you guys are just what I would

544
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: consider to be the best in the business.

545
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you, Like we're so spoiled.

546
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: Do you guys like think of yourselves as like being

547
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 4: the best?

548
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: Like is that the best?

549
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: The best?

550
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: But do you see, like, just do you guys ever

551
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: take another broadcasts and see Yeah?

552
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely. I listen and I watch, and I

553
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: enjoy listening more than watching because I can relate more

554
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: intimately to what's being said in a radio broadcast that

555
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: I can on television. Oh, we're all our own worst critics,

556
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: of course, and we have favorites elsewhere also, and I

557
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: still enjoy listening to somebody I've never heard before do

558
00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: a baseball game because I especially again on radio. I

559
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: just feel that we've gotten to a point where I'll

560
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: back it up to, let's say, my generation of broadcasters,

561
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: and I mean that's covering a lot of years now

562
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: because I'm I know, seriously, because I'm sixty eight, Okay,

563
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: So I'll say that if I can consider myself part

564
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: of a generation of broadcasters, I would say the youngest

565
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: edge of that generation that I would identify with would

566
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: be Kenny Albert Iron Eagle. You know that that group.

567
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: Mike Breen is certainly part of that, Michael Kay. I mean,

568
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: we're all contemporaries, but I would say the youngest edge

569
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: of that would be Kenny and Iron. And they grew

570
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: up aspiring to do radio, learn how to do a

571
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: game on radio, whatever the sport, and then transition to

572
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: television if the opportunity presents, and it's exactly what happened

573
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: to them, That's what happened to me. And I think,

574
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: and I even fear that the younger generation of broadcasters

575
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: coming through college today or I'm so focused only on

576
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: doing television that there's not enough emphasis placed on what

577
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: it takes to be a really, really good radio, in

578
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: this case baseball broadcaster. So when I listen to somebody

579
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: I haven't heard before, if I hear someone who seems

580
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: pretty smooth and pretty as I say, nuanced and pretty

581
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: learned in the art of presenting the game on radio,

582
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: that tells me that that's going to be a real

583
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: good broadcaster. And there are some, there are plenty, and

584
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: I love listening to them.

585
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: So we know that you've been pretty active on Twitter recently.

586
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: It's turned into fun, yes, So that's what I want

587
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 4: to ask you about, because when you started it, obviously

588
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: Twitter really wasn't a thing. So how have you been

589
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: adapting I guess, your own personal brand and using social

590
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: media alongside the broadcast.

591
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what started it, or the derivation of

592
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: my jumping in with both feet to Twitter. It was

593
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: something I resisted, as you may know, for all a

594
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: long long time. I didn't want any part of it

595
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: because I know it can be a cesspool quite frankly,

596
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: and I just there were two things I didn't want

597
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: to get into that I didn't want to get my

598
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: face dirty, you know, wrestling in the mud with things

599
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: that didn't need to be wrestled with. And at the

600
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: same time, I also thought, you know, I'd to have

601
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: a glass of wine or two with dinner, and I'm

602
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: just thinking about, well, okay, I've had that second glass tonight,

603
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: and something really funny came to mind. I can tweet this, right,

604
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: you know what's gonna know? Yeah, And then I would

605
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: always say to myself, no, don't, don't, don't go on Twitter,

606
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: because you're gonna have that second glass of wine and

607
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna hit send when you shouldn't. And I've been

608
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: very pleased to say that I have learned how to

609
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: discipline myself and I frankly don't drink two glasses much

610
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 2: anymore for a lot of reason. But I am happy

611
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: with how I've learned to generally stay I don't want

612
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 2: to say above of the fray, it sounds condescending, but

613
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: out of the mud. Yeah, And at the same time

614
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: discipline myself as to when to kind of rain myself

615
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: in so that that those have been the two challenges.

616
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: It can be hard, definitely when you started seeing people

617
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 4: like and I feel like with me at least, it's

618
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: like whenever someone tries to tell you you're wrong. That's

619
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: like the one you really have to like try to

620
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: hold yourself back with h because not that we're no

621
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: at all, but we I think all of us have

622
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: a pretty good knowledge of what's going on and what

623
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: we're talking about. So when someone's here and there, yeah, yeah,

624
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: when someone's like getting mad at you over something you

625
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: know you're like right about it, it really is tough to,

626
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: like you said, pull those reins back.

627
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: Well, there are a couple of things that I do,

628
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: and I don't know what you guys think, but there

629
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: are times that I'll volley with somebody. Of course, if

630
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: it's about something that I think will be entertaining and

631
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: or perhaps even more so informative, Like if I have

632
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: certain information that I put out, I'm never going to

633
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: betray a confidence in doing so. But if I know

634
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: something that the general populace doesn't and I feel it's

635
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: appropriate to put it on Twitter, I will. Now if

636
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: somebody wants to argue with me about that, and I'm

637
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: coming from a point of knowing internally what this information is,

638
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: why are you arguing with them? I'm I'm telling you

639
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: the facts, and I get that from people at parties

640
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: or get, you know, get together forget about Twitter. You know,

641
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: somebody will say to me, how come the Mets did this?

642
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: And if I know why, and I'm not betraying a confidence,

643
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: I'll explain it. You expect, Oh, okay, thanks. Sometimes somebody

644
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: will start arguing with you. It's like, leave me alone.

645
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: Will you go bother your wife? Leave me alone? You

646
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: know what I don't do? You ask me a question,

647
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I gave you the answer. Don't argue with me. You know,

648
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: if it's an opinion, that's one thing we can play

649
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: with that. So, you know, those are the two things

650
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: about Twitter that I've kind of gotten comfortable with, sort

651
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: of knowing when, as I say, to pull the reins in.

652
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: And sometimes I don't know how about you guys, but

653
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: you know, people love to pull your chain and they

654
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: love to try to get under your skin. They call

655
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: it trolling, I guess, and you know, I I think

656
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: I could probably count on one hand the number of

657
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: people I've blocked. You know, if somebody, if somebody says

658
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: stuff that I think is really inappropriate, and when they

659
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: start digging into whether it's your family or some other

660
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: personal stuff, that's I don't need to read your garbage

661
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: or if it's somebody else that you know is trying

662
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: to push your buttons and you feel like, you know,

663
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: you want to set them straight. I'll look at their

664
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: profile and if they've got like ten followers one of

665
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: my one, am I wasting my time with some ten

666
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: follower guy for growth?

667
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: Right there?

668
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: That's like, that's like a big thing that I feel

669
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: like both of us at first, like you want to

670
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 4: reply to everybody and then it's not worth it.

671
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: No, I want to have fun with.

672
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: The positive people.

673
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: Yes, the interact with people who are nice, and you

674
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: want to actually have conversations about baseball or about life

675
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: or anything.

676
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: That's always it.

677
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: But the negative people, and there's been a lot of negativity,

678
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: like more recently, that's what gets hard.

679
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: Well that's hey, imagine now doing a talk showine right

680
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: where then you know you don't have the luxury of

681
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: saying and I won't answer this one. You know, it's

682
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: Twitter is fun when you manage it properly. I've learned that,

683
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: I've learned how to deal with it, and if it

684
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: ever gets to be a burden, then I'll just you know,

685
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: sign off. But for now I feel that it bonds

686
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: me even more closely to the fan base, if that

687
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: makes any sense. And it all started for me. I think,

688
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: this is my goodness. I talked around your question for

689
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: about ten days. I follow we lost that. That's just

690
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: my age, you know, I'm fraid. Oh yeah, he did

691
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: ask a question, right. It started for me during COVID

692
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, when we were in spring training getting

693
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: ready for a season, and all of a sudden, we're

694
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: dark and now remember we were approaching and it might

695
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: have act. Oh I know exactly what day it was

696
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: that I went on Twitter. It was opening it getting

697
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: close to Opening Day, and I say, you know, I

698
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: really feel disconnected. I feel disenfranchised almost from my audience,

699
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: the fan base. I really have to think about going

700
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: on Twitter and this, Believe me, guys, this was completely unintentional.

701
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: Do you know the day that I sent my first tweet?

702
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: And you may now recognize the date, and I wouldn't

703
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: expect you to. It was April eleventh, and as it

704
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: turned out, twenty twenty, would you believe? And it didn't

705
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: hit me until afterwards. April eleventh of nineteen sixty two

706
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: was the night that the Mets play their very first

707
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: game in the National League.

708
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: Wow, and that's just ru coincidence.

709
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it went Believe me, that was an honest coincidence.

710
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: As someone who's listened to you my basically entire conscious

711
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: life on the radio has been a pleasure to link

712
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: in the sense of your personality on Twitter, just like

713
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: learn a little b about you and able to like

714
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: fully interact with you. But you mentioned about going dark

715
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: with the team. How did that year and a half,

716
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: I guess technically of losing contact with the players direct

717
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: content or personal contact, How does that affect your ability

718
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: to build relationships And how's the affect your ability even

719
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: now build a relationship with the team that's very much

720
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: mostly of new players in last year.

721
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a great question, James. It's been a

722
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: challenge and things have happened over the years. I think

723
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: in most clubhouses, certainly US, where we're a little more

724
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: sort of sequestered from the players, certainly than when I

725
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: started covering games. It can be hard to track down

726
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: a player sometimes, and if I really need to talk

727
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: to somebody, I'll let somebody in the media relations department

728
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: know that something I want to ask so and so

729
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: about can you grab them for me or let me

730
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: know what a good time would be. But I remember

731
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: last year we had very limited access, not to the

732
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: clubhouse but just downstairs on the field, and guys would

733
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: be coming in and out of the dugout. I'm going,

734
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: who's this. That's not the way it's supposed to be.

735
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: So when we got to spring training this year and

736
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: had clubhouse access, I was like a little kid in

737
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: the candy store. I felt, Ah, I'm reconnected with the

738
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 2: guys that were there before. Now, of course, with new guys,

739
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 2: it's been a little not harder or more challenging, it's

740
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: just been, you know, a little more of a project

741
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: to get to know them a little bit. You know

742
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: what happens to you introduce yourself to somebody in spring

743
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: training and go, hey, I'm Howie rose In, one of

744
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: the radio broadcasters with the Mets, and you have a

745
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: nice chat with that person for five minutes, and then

746
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: you might not see him for two weeks. They've totally

747
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: forgotten who you are. So, you know, it really takes

748
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: them seeing you on the planes and around the hotel

749
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: before they realize, okay, he's part of our traveling party.

750
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: And for me, that's been more challenging this year because

751
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm not making every trip anymore. I'm still doing about,

752
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and twenty five games, which is

753
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: a lot and I've needed to, believe me, those breaks

754
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons. But that makes it a

755
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: little more challenging to get to know some of the players.

756
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 4: Definitely the I mean, now with the team being good

757
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 4: and you have access to everybody, how have you felt that,

758
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 4: like maybe after the COVID season, has there been any

759
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: sort of like people are more receptive to talk more

760
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: because there was almost that break, that pause, or like,

761
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: what do you think has changed the most from that

762
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: year till now from your job?

763
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't think that anything's changed

764
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: with regard to the people with whom you establish relationships.

765
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: Now we have to wear masks in the clubhouse, and

766
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: I don't mind saying point blank, I can't stand wearing

767
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: those things anymore. I mean, nobody liked it or likes it. Yeah,

768
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: but to me, that's such a barrier between saying myself

769
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: and a player i'm talking to, you know, I'll see

770
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: them on the around the hotel we're not wearing masks,

771
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: or I'll see them on the field, or we're not

772
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: wearing masks. But apart from the fact that it's very

773
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: uncomfortable and I'm almost to the point where I feel

774
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: it's unhealthy to keep breathing in my own that's a

775
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: whole other issue. And it's not a political thing. It's

776
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: a health oriented thing, you know. I'm just kind of

777
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: at the end of my rope of those things. But

778
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: I think that's provided a bit of a barrier that

779
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: I can't wait to overcome by hopefully not having to

780
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: do that next year.

781
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully that'll be nice. So we have about five

782
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: minutes left here. Thank you again for sure, whatever you mean,

783
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm here. This whole conversation has been beautiful, a little personal.

784
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: I love mind is amazing, But I was listening to

785
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: broadcast on Friday night and a special treat when Terry

786
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: comes in the booth. I know sometimes you still get

787
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: Eddie Coleman into but it's fun to listen to like

788
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: you and those guys like pontificate about the game, the

789
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: changes of the game where.

790
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: We haven't exactly pontific I don't like pontificat an I don't.

791
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: It just makes me sound condescending if I'm pontificat. I

792
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: hope I don't you know, I might, and if I do,

793
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: I apologize for them.

794
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: Miss being hyperbolic. This just is for effect here, howie.

795
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: But a bunch of rule changes were announced last week,

796
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: and you guys spoke at length about them Friday night

797
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: during the game. So there's going to be a pitch

798
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: clock on similar to a basketball shot clock. There's going

799
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: to be a limiting a pickoff throws, and the big

800
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: one is the shift being banned in a good particular way.

801
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: So I think we preview. If you could just talk

802
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: about how you think these new rules will change the

803
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: game going forward.

804
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tie it up into one very tidy little package.

805
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: I am passionately in favor of anything or things that

806
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: will get the ball in play more than it's been.

807
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: We can't go where we're at right now over four

808
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: minutes on average between balls in play. It compromises the

809
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: entertainment value of the greatest game in the world, and

810
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: there is a recognition of that within the game. Obviously,

811
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: because it's been addressed. It's going to take time for

812
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: the players to adjust. But one thing that you should

813
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 2: never lose sight of. As great as you think these

814
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: players are at what they do, they are a thousand

815
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: times better than you can even imagine. Oh yeah, they

816
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: are so I mean, and they're almost they're freakish in

817
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: just how great they are athletically, and then their ability

818
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: in their ability to let's say, throw and hit a baseball.

819
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Next time you guys are around home plate, just stand

820
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: out there for a second and look at the pictures.

821
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: Now that's sixty feet six inches away. Now imagine that

822
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: thing's coming at you ninety seven ninety eight miles an hour,

823
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: and they're sinking it and they're cutting it and they're

824
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: spinning it and they're doing everything else they do with.

825
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: It, and it could be a curve ball, could be

826
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: a slider.

827
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And these guys do what they do offensively, and

828
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: these pictures do what they do with their arms. They

829
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: are so good that they will adjust and there'll be

830
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: a lot of crankiness, I'm sure during spring training, and

831
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: everybody's going to be looking for loopholes, and everybody's going

832
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: to be complaining about how they can't do what they

833
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: used to do. And I would say, at the outside

834
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: at the latest, by Memorial Day next year, everyone will

835
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: have adapted and the price will be better, and that's

836
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: all any of.

837
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: Us want definitely. Yeah.

838
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: We talked about a lot on the last episode, you know,

839
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: talking about each rule individually, and as much as we

840
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: love the pitch clock because it speeds up the game,

841
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: no doubt about that, we were talking about the shift

842
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 4: and how more balls and play will always be great.

843
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: I have to assume the shift's got to be the

844
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 4: thing that you're most excited about being eliminated.

845
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, I don't know if I would even

846
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: qualify it as the most because I think the pitch

847
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: clock is great. You know the kid that pitched I'm

848
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: not sure exactly when this is going to air or

849
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: drop or whatever. You cool whatever, you cool kids say, Yeah, okay.

850
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: You know the fellow who pitched the opening game of

851
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: We're doing this when the Cubs are in town, the

852
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: first game of the Mets Cub series, Javier Asad He

853
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: was taking a lot of time between pitches that he

854
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: will not be able to take next year. And you

855
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: realize that less as a fan than you do as

856
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: a broadcaster, because I keep coming back to pace and

857
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: tempo of the game. Sure, but as a broadcaster you

858
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: need to maintain a certain pace tempo, and that is

859
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: greatly challenged by the slower movements of a lot of

860
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: pitchers in particular. I don't mean to single them out,

861
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: because hitters take all day in some cases to get

862
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: ready in the box. Two. So I just can't wait

863
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: for next year's game to see if it has the

864
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 2: desired effect, and I think it will.

865
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: All right, How last question here, one minute left. We're

866
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: getting into a pennant race right now. First, we've had

867
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: in a couple of years. You've seen every single Mets

868
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: team that's ever played a game of baseball. How does

869
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: the team stack up? And where where are your aspirations

870
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season.

871
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: Well, my aspiration is to make the call that I've

872
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: been waiting to make my entire life, and that is

873
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: that the Mets win the World Series. And that is

874
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: certainly very realistic this year. I would not be naive

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Speaker 2: enough to sit in front of a camera or behind

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Speaker 2: a microphone and promise it. No one can. Dave Roberts

877
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: can't do it, you know, Dusty Baker can't do it.

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00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: Aaron Boone can't do it. Brian Snicker can't do it,

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Speaker 2: even though they did it last year. Oh body can

880
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: promise that. But I think promise is a very important

881
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: word when looking at the twenty twenty two Mets. There

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00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: is still a great deal of promise in this team,

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00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: and when we've seen them win some games in the

884
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 2: fashion that they did over most of the first five

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00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: months of this season. And I know there have been

886
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Speaker 2: some speed bumps they've hit in the first couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks of September, but it's neck and neck. They've got

888
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: the three games with the Braves, and I think we're

889
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: in for one heck of a ride the rest of

890
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Speaker 2: the way, and I can't wait to see how it

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00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: turns out.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a perfect way to wrap up this

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Speaker 4: episode on a high note with some good good vibes

894
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 4: for the Mets here as they wrap up the series

895
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Speaker 4: of the Cubs. Howie, thank you so much for coming

896
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 4: on with us again. This guy unbelievable. Hopefully get to

897
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: talk to you more throughout the year, maybe next year, whatever.

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Speaker 3: We want to get you back on.

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Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Talk more so.

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00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm right next door. Feel free to come by. Let

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Speaker 2: me know. I'll bring Danish.

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Speaker 3: All right, there you go. We'll hold you to that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you got it. Take care, assass