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Speaker 3: Good morning, Welcome to Breaking Points Crystal. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good. How about you am?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 3: We had a really busy news day yesterday and we're

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Speaker 3: facing down, just staring down the barrel of another extremely

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Speaker 3: busy news day today, the Fed at two pm, White

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Speaker 3: House Briefing at one pm. JD Vance on stage in

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Speaker 3: Europe this afternoon. It's just wild, ongoing wars, ceasefire negotiations.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, Crystal, this is too much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was kind of off the grid yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be online. I couldn't just doom scroll all

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Speaker 2: day as I normally do. And it really like when

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Speaker 2: I was able to log back on, it was like

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Speaker 2: the world is completely different.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I checked in the rundown. You

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Speaker 2: filled out the rundown. I was like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: anything about any of these things.

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Speaker 5: So like, I guess India and Pakistan are at war?

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool? Great, Yeah, I didn't miss much. Just you know,

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Speaker 2: two nuclear powers trading blows.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. So anyway, tons to get into.

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Speaker 2: We got the Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, very interesting

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Speaker 2: moments with Trump in the White House, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it's always fascinating to see which leaders know how to

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Speaker 2: play Trump, and he appears to be one of those

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Speaker 2: leaders who knows how to play Trump. At least at

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Speaker 2: this point, Christinoan was on the hill testifying getting grilled

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Speaker 2: by Democrats. The aforementioned India Pakistan you know war, I

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Speaker 2: guess you say, at this point unfolding, certainly escalation, deeply troubling.

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Speaker 2: We have some big developments in terms the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: our own Ryan Grimm helping to push Trump to make

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Speaker 2: a genuinely sensible decision and saying, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 2: if the houthis agreed not to bomb us, maybe we

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Speaker 2: should stop bombing them and teasing some kind of a

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Speaker 2: big announcement. We're also covering the continued FAA fallout and

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Speaker 2: it's truly terrifying situations unfolding at some of the nation's

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Speaker 2: top airports. What Sean Duffy is saying about that some battle,

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Speaker 2: some like intra Fox and intra Trump administration battle unfolding

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Speaker 2: their Emily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Sean Duffy's kind of pointing the finger at

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Speaker 3: Pete Hegsath.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've got some pretty wild clips of him

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Speaker 3: talking about Pete heigsth on Laura Ingram Show. So you

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Speaker 3: of it, but needless to say, that is absolutely wild.

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Speaker 3: We also have an interesting guest, Mark Lucas. He is

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Speaker 3: the founder of a group called Veteran Action, but he's

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Speaker 3: which is a group that came under his leadership of

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Speaker 3: that group rather came under intense scrutiny during his confirmation.

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Speaker 3: Hearing Mark was a very prominent backer of Hegseth throughout

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Speaker 3: The Pentagon obviously has gone through a lot of turmoil recently,

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Speaker 5: So, Crystal, we have a lot to talk about with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely looking forward to that conversation as well, to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, wild stuff.

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Speaker 3: There's just so many different subplots happening, so we can

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Speaker 3: ask Mark about many of them. Let's start with Canada, though,

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Speaker 3: because Mark Carney newly elected Prime Minister, as Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: To be honest, he said that he was like it

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump kept marveling at his own twenty four cart

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Speaker 3: Joked that it was like just a total refurbishing by

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Speaker 4: Absolutely is on the aesthetic.

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Speaker 3: He'd probably owned that, to be honest, if he were

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Speaker 3: it is the Saddam aesthetic. D that got knew a

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Speaker 3: thing or two about interior decor. But let's play Mark

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Speaker 3: Karney in the Oval Office.

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Speaker 5: I act to say one of this.

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Speaker 3: As you're watching, you're listening, pay close attention to what

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Speaker 3: Mark Carney says about Canada never being for sale. That's

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Speaker 3: been the newsiest clip that's been pulled from his comment.

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Speaker 5: So let's go ahead and roll a one.

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Speaker 7: As you know from real estate, there are some places

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Speaker 7: that are never for sale. We're sitting in one right now,

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Speaker 7: you know, bucking and Pallace that you visited as well,

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Speaker 7: and having met with the owners of Canada over the

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Speaker 7: course of the campaign last several months. It's not for sale,

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Speaker 7: won't be for sale ever. But the opportunity is in

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Speaker 7: the partnership and what we can build together. And we

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Speaker 7: have done that in the past. And part of that,

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Speaker 7: as the President just said, is with respect to our

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Speaker 7: And I'll say this as well, that the President has

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Speaker 7: revitalized international security, revitalized NATAL and us playing our full

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Speaker 6: And that will be.

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Speaker 8: Part session out of Canada the.

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Speaker 6: Talks concession friendship.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I just we're going to be friends with Canada,

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Speaker 8: regardless of anything. We're going to be friends with Canada.

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Speaker 8: Canada is a very special place to make. I know

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Speaker 8: so many people that live in Canada. My parents had

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Speaker 8: I love Canada a lot of I have a lot

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Speaker 8: of respect for the Canadians. Wayne Gretzky, I mean, how

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Speaker 3: He went on a seemingly referenced Alex Ovechkin, who it

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Speaker 3: seems like he thought was Canadian just after that. But Crystal,

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Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts here, because Trump does,

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Speaker 3: or I should say, Mark Carney does seem to have

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Speaker 3: learned from Justin Trudeau's mistakes, whether they were unforced errors

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Speaker 3: or not. Justin Trudeau did not have that kind of

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: Know did he learn from Cloudy and Shinbaum? Crystal?

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Speaker 3: Is that because you see it's the end of the

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Speaker 3: clip about fifty first state. He's saying Donald Trump has

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Speaker 3: revitalized NATO, which by the way, is a huge issue

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Speaker 3: with Canada, and Trump is just lapping it up.

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Speaker 5: He's loving it.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know who he learned from, but

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Speaker 2: he played this very well. And Trump was clearly his comment,

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Speaker 2: very carefully planned comment about like, as you know, from

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Speaker 2: real estates or not, everything is for sale. He was

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Speaker 2: charmed by that, even as Carney is delivering the message

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Speaker 2: that he wants to deliver and wants to deliver for

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Speaker 2: the Canadian domestic audience of appearing tough with Trump saying listen,

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Speaker 2: we are never going to be the fifty first state.

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Speaker 2: We are not for sale. That's the end of the story.

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Speaker 2: So he manages to pull that off. You know, The

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Speaker 2: reporting is that he is a you know, aggressive planner,

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Speaker 2: he and you know he prepares studiously for these types

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Speaker 2: He said very little in this press conference, kind of

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Speaker 2: then with this one line kind of delivered the message

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Speaker 2: led his comments with a lot of praise and flattery

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Speaker 2: So I think the other thing that is interesting to

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Speaker 2: he's like obviously correct about that, even though you would

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Speaker 2: just as he's the center of attention here, was kind

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Speaker 2: not much came of this meeting. There were no deals announced,

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Speaker 2: to without having some sort of like Zelensky style blow

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think when you package it that way,

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Speaker 3: because you know, Karney has his own domestic politics. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: that's what pushed Trudeau after he had that humiliating setup

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Speaker 3: at madel Lago when he came to kiss the ring

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Speaker 3: and then Donald Trump just made him look really foolish.

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Speaker 3: Then had to look like he was being really tough

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Speaker 3: of the sort of political sentiments in his own country,

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Speaker 3: and Carney is dealing with those, just like Claudia Shinbaum

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Speaker 3: is dealing with those. Those questions of sovereignty for people,

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Speaker 3: for their own voters are really really important, and so

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Speaker 3: he needs to put his foot down on that. But

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Speaker 3: he did it in the most civil way possible. And

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Speaker 3: you can tell to the point you just made, and

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Speaker 3: I think this is a really important insight about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: He will take that with a smile.

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Speaker 3: On his face if you package it that way, because

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Speaker 5: We can go ahead roll it here.

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Speaker 8: We don't do much business with Canada from our standpoint.

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Speaker 6: You know, we have great things.

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Speaker 5: And like, just I don't tell me your reaction to that.

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Speaker 2: I really cannot get inside his head on any of this,

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Speaker 2: We could be friends. So I don't know what any

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there are anywhere near a deal.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that the door is even open to conversations,

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Speaker 3: Besson actually, who was in front of Congress. I just

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Speaker 3: I very much want to work with him, but cannot

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Speaker 3: understand one simple truth. Why is America subsidizing Canada by

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Speaker 3: on the other hand, need everything from us. The Prime

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Speaker 3: likely my only question of content, that is, like the

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Speaker 2: But well, and here's the thing, Like Canadians, everyone is

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Speaker 2: We have a lot more power in this trade relationship

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Speaker 3: For Yeah, to your point, the transition process, if it

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Speaker 3: Scott Bessant was talking about some of this in front

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Speaker 5: So we can go ahead and rull a four.

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Speaker 4: Who pays tariffs?

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Speaker 11: Mister secretary, no, no, no, ask the answer the questions

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Speaker 11: I asked, Please, guy, only have five minutes?

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Speaker 4: Who pays tariffs?

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Speaker 6: Sorry?

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Speaker 11: Well, who pays tariffs? Sorry, mister secretary, please use me.

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Speaker 11: The question is very simply who pays tariffs? Mister Chairman?

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Speaker 12: Well, congressman, if they, Congressman, if the exporters they disliked

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Speaker 6: To did you remember the question?

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Speaker 6: That they?

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Speaker 12: It's a very complicated question.

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Speaker 11: Reclaiming my time people pay tariffs? Right, I'm reclaiming my time,

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Speaker 11: you clearly.

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Speaker 5: Aren't going to answer.

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Speaker 11: I'm not going to waste my time having you go.

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Speaker 3: So pokin obviously represents as a Democrat who represents Wisconsin

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Speaker 3: Probably speaks to the difficulty of giving a palatable answer

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Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, well, because Trump has insisted all kinds of

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Speaker 2: In reality, the importer pays the tariff and much of

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Speaker 4: Perhaps, but you.

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Speaker 2: Know, the funny thing about him is I believe that

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Speaker 2: But I also want to give credit to Pokan. It

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Speaker 3: many cases people in his role, their audience would be

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Speaker 3: Wall Street, it would be the public. But Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is I was going to say freelancing, but I guess

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Speaker 3: it's not technically freelance if if you're the president, but

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Speaker 3: he's making a whole lot of these decisions on his own,

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Speaker 3: so it makes sense that Besson would be hypercautious in

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Speaker 3: that scenario. Speaking of congressional testimony, Christine nom had a

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Speaker 3: rough one on Capitol Hill yesterday. Let's move on to

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Speaker 3: talk about her appearance her testimony. We have a clip

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Speaker 3: that we should start off with of her getting grilled

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Speaker 3: by Representative Underwood. Let's go ahead and rule a B

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Speaker 3: one here.

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Speaker 13: It is also violating the fundamental right of individuals. Do

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Speaker 13: you believe that the Constitution grants everyone in our country

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Speaker 13: the right to do process?

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Speaker 5: Including non citizens?

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Speaker 14: The administration has the authority.

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Speaker 5: To, ma'am.

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Speaker 13: I'm looking for a yes or no question, Yes or no?

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Speaker 15: Do you believe the con.

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Speaker 13: Yes, ma'am? You, ma'am conducted mister Chairman, Okay, Secretary Nome,

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Speaker 13: I'm just looking for a yes or no here. Do

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Speaker 13: you believe the Constitution guarantees due process to everyone in America?

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Speaker 14: Due process is exactly what this conguests is.

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Speaker 5: Or no? Okay, ma'am, I'll take that as a.

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Speaker 13: I'm trying, ma'am. I'm trying to ascertain your understanding of

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Speaker 13: the law as it applies to your department, and you,

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Speaker 13: as this leader, should be able to give us a

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Speaker 13: yes or no answer, because judge after judge has ruled

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Speaker 13: that the law is not being followed. Do you believe

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Speaker 13: that the US government has the authority to deport American cities?

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Speaker 4: Since no, and we are not deporting.

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Speaker 13: I'm so happy to hear that you do not believe

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Speaker 13: that the law gives you that authority, because the federal

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Speaker 13: government has no authority under US laws to deport any

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Speaker 13: American citizen. And as I know, everyone viewing this hearing

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Speaker 13: today knows that several American citizens have been deported to date.

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Speaker 13: Secretary Nome, that was not a question. Secretary Nome, Sonoam

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Speaker 13: just said that was not true.

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Speaker 5: Did you catch that at the end.

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Speaker 4: Crystal, Yes, yeah, and that's just a lie.

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Speaker 5: Here's my theory.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she's in the loop on that,

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Speaker 3: And that may sound ridiculous, but I think Christy Nome

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Speaker 3: at Homeland Security is very and ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: By the way, It definitely is if that's the case.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think it's implausible because I believe her

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Speaker 3: role is seen as one where she's like a public

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Speaker 3: ambassador for the Homeland Security brand, which is why Yeah, all.

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Speaker 2: Those why she plays dress up with all her like

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Speaker 2: you know, her ice, black jacket and whatever. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of pointing guns of people said while she's

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Speaker 2: doing her photo ops.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she and spends so much time in front of media,

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Speaker 3: So I genuinely do wonder to what extent she is

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Speaker 3: aware of what's happened. If you have advisors that are

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Speaker 3: insulating you, By the way, that is not an excuse either.

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Speaker 5: That's the furthest thing from an excuse.

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Speaker 3: That's actually criticism if you're not aware of those types

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Speaker 3: of things. But if you have advisors that are insulating

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Speaker 3: you from a lot of negative media pushback, those things

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Speaker 3: actually can happen.

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Speaker 5: Unbelievable as it may sound.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the next SoundBite we have would suggest

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Speaker 2: that she does know at least some of these details.

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Speaker 2: It's just that she thinks because the US citizens were

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Speaker 2: children who they deported with their undocumented immigrant mothers, that

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Speaker 2: that doesn't count.

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Speaker 4: And I mean it.

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Speaker 2: Is the Trump administration's unconstitutional legal position that birthright citizenship

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Speaker 2: has been, so you know, it could also be that

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Speaker 2: in their minds, even though again this is like brazenly

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Speaker 2: unconstitutional that if you had a child while you were here,

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Speaker 2: that that doesn't really count the same as a US citizen.

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Speaker 2: But you know, on the due process point that The

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Speaker 2: one other point I'll make about the Lauren Underwood clip

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Speaker 2: that was noteworthy to me before we move on to

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Speaker 2: the next part piece, is Lauren Underwood is like, this

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Speaker 2: is moderate. She's like a moderate. She's not a progressive,

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Speaker 2: She's this sort of like moderate represents a suburban part

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Speaker 2: of I think outside of Chicago. I think I think

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Speaker 2: I'm remembering that correctly. In any case, Democrats clearly feel

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Speaker 2: a lot more confident on the issue of immigration, especially

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Speaker 2: now that they can point to these due process issues,

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Speaker 2: the abuses against American citizens, and they seem to have

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Speaker 2: been somewhat persuaded by the significant polling drop that Trump

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Speaker 2: has suffered on these specific cases of Kilmara Bregaga and

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Speaker 2: what he's doing with El Salvador, and more broadly, the

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Speaker 2: way that his appropriating on immigration has released sunk and

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Speaker 2: he's now underwater. They seem to be much more comfortable

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Speaker 2: and much more emboldened. I think that's also you know,

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Speaker 2: the learn Underwood exchange to me was emblematic of that

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the Underworld exchange was being passed around a

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Speaker 3: lot by the left. Let's now roll this next clip,

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Speaker 3: which has been passed around a lot by the right.

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Speaker 5: We can take a look at it.

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Speaker 10: Here.

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Speaker 16: Three children so far, likely more children. One of those

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Speaker 16: children with cancer who was deported without the medication necessary

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Speaker 16: to address that child's cancer, again a US citizen. The

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Speaker 16: lawyers have said that they were not given the family

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Speaker 16: was not given an opportunity to make plans for the kids.

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Speaker 14: When these the specific cases that you're referencing with these children,

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Speaker 14: it was the parent's choice to take there and did

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Speaker 14: which it is all on the policy to keep families

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Speaker 14: to get it.

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Speaker 16: Ma'am, ma'am, we have ma'am reclaiming my time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, Chrystal, I think your theory has prevailed here

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Speaker 3: that she's aware of these cases of US citizen deportations,

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Speaker 3: which to as far as I can tell, actually have

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Speaker 3: involved children. That was the case of a ten year

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Speaker 3: old girl with cancer who was getting treatment in the

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Speaker 3: United States. Her family is non citizen. They were coming

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Speaker 3: back to get cancer treatments and were actually ultimately ended

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Speaker 3: up being deported. As you heard Representative Escobar state, there

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Speaker 3: a lot of these other children were really young, We're

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Speaker 3: talking like toddlers. So the idea of them not being

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Speaker 3: deported the way some of the early media reports covered this,

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Speaker 3: I think was genuinely misleading.

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Speaker 5: So I get why the writer is passing this clip around.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, there is this gray area

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Speaker 3: where as you say, they sort of have declared the

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Speaker 3: end of birthrights citizenship now Christinomas saying it's their policy

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Speaker 3: to keep families together. It's one of those like very

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Speaker 3: weird circumstances for the administration to have to deal with

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Speaker 3: and then go out and defend publicly because they're not

568
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Speaker 3: wrong that it would be like the crueler thing if

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Speaker 3: the parents want their children to come with them, and

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Speaker 3: the children are US citizens, the much crueler thing would

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Speaker 3: be to leave them in a detention center in the

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Speaker 3: United States rather than being with their mothers. On the

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Speaker 3: other hand, you then end up technically deporting US citizens,

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Speaker 3: but obviously at the at the request of their own families.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least in one of these instances, mom was

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Speaker 2: being deported dad was staying here, Dad, and they were

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Speaker 2: engaged in a you know, dad was trying to keep

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Speaker 2: custody of the child in the United States, and a

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Speaker 2: judge said that the family was not given any sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, ability to contest this deportation of the child.

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Speaker 2: So it, you know, really did go against the Witches,

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Speaker 2: at least of one of the parents. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's consistent with the way that they've executed entire immigration policy,

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Speaker 2: which is they just do what they want and they

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Speaker 2: don't care about due process, even when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: children who are US citizens. And of course the instance

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Speaker 2: that she brings up there of a child who has

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Speaker 2: cancer who's receiving treatment here is just outrageous to not

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Speaker 2: make provision for that child's care and make sure that

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Speaker 2: they're going to be okay as this process unfolds, etc. So,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't really get why the right

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Speaker 2: thought that this made Christino look good when you actually

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Speaker 2: know the details of these situations, because obviously is complex

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Speaker 2: when you have a mom who is undocumented a child

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Speaker 2: who is a US citizen. In many instances, mom probably

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Speaker 2: would want to take the child, but not in all instances,

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Speaker 2: and that's really what we've seen play out with some

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Speaker 2: of these cases. One other thing I wanted to point

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Speaker 2: out that just is breaking as well is Marco Rubio

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Speaker 2: had made this comment about how they want to expand

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Speaker 2: their deportation into prison policy beyond just El Salvador, and

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Speaker 2: we now have some reporting that they are going to

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Speaker 2: start deporting immigrants, likely this week, to Libya's prison system,

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Speaker 2: another one that is notorious for sexual abuse and torture

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Speaker 2: and horrific conditions. Some have described it as quote unquote

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Speaker 2: a hell whole. So that appears to be and of

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Speaker 2: course Liby itself is a war torn country, you know,

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Speaker 2: in a large part thanks to our own foreign policy there,

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Speaker 2: you know, partially ruled by effectively a warlord. It's in

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Speaker 2: any case, that appears to be the next place that

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Speaker 2: they want to be able to ship immigrants, immigrants to

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Speaker 2: another prison system that is rife with horror and human

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Speaker 2: rights abuses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wanted to put definitely we'll be following

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Speaker 3: that story if it develops, or if it was something

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Speaker 3: that was like randomly tossed out there. Sounds like it

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Speaker 3: was a fairly serious proposal, so we'll obviously bring everyone

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Speaker 3: updates on that I wanted to get this next element

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Speaker 3: B three on the screen.

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Speaker 5: Yo, and Grillo is a great subsack.

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Speaker 3: He reports from Mexico City, and I wanted to point

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Speaker 3: out he has some updates from what Claudia Shinbaum discussed

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Speaker 3: at her Monday morning news conference. I know Crystal ew

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Speaker 3: and Glenn covered this on Monday. Shinbaum gave her own

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Speaker 3: description of the conversation she had with Donald Trump about troops.

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Speaker 3: This is from Yohen, I'm quoting him. Trump said, we

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Speaker 3: want to help Mexico, and this is from Shinbaum. Now,

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Speaker 3: Trump said, we want to help Mexico, and to help Mexico,

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Speaker 3: we want to send troops if you need them, and

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Speaker 3: I said.

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Speaker 5: No, President Trump, not this.

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Speaker 3: We want to collaborate in many ways in line with

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Speaker 3: our sovereignty and in the territory that each of us governs.

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Speaker 3: And the reason that's worth mentioning here and Yoan as

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Speaker 3: somebody who follows this really closely, mentions that Shinebaum has

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Speaker 3: rapidly changed the tone on migration like crackdowns since Lopez

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Speaker 3: Overdoor left office. The reason that this is worth highlighting

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Speaker 3: is because Trump desperately needs Shinbaum's cooperation, obviously to continue

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Speaker 3: with a lot of this, a lot of these crackdown

640
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Speaker 3: type policies, which is why we said the administration roll

641
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Speaker 3: out this one thousand dollars self deportation policy because they

642
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: know that these deportations are way more difficult. They've realized

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Speaker 3: that these deportations are not quite as are not happening

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Speaker 3: at a pace that are going to allow them to

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Speaker 3: do the quote mass deportations that they promise on the

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Speaker 3: campaign trail. So everyone probably is aware that DHS announced

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Speaker 3: this week you can buy a CBP home if you

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Speaker 3: are a non citizen, you can deport yourself and yet

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Speaker 3: a one thousand dollars voucher, which actually is cheaper than

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Speaker 3: the legal process playing out per capita in the United States.

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Speaker 3: But I wanted to bring up this post from Rum

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Speaker 3: and Diego. This is before he responded to that and said,

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Speaker 3: why don't we make them pay a five thousand dollars fine,

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Speaker 3: go through a background check, and give them a work

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Speaker 3: visa for a few years renewable with good behavior. Noteworthy Crystal,

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Speaker 3: because I think, you know, Dems have definitely staked out

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Speaker 3: a hard opposition to these Trump policies, but I sort

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Speaker 3: of feel like there's been there haven't been a ton

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Speaker 3: of alternatives proposed. It's sort of like you're either Lake

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Speaker 3: and Riley or open borders. You're either on the Lake

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Speaker 3: and Riley Act, I should say, you know, signing it

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Speaker 3: with like like a lot of kind of centrist Dems

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Speaker 3: did with Republicans, or you're just like all in favor

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Speaker 3: of opening up the borders, which you know, more power

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Speaker 3: to Uh maybe you and Ryan, but I don't think

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Speaker 3: you're as far as Ryan on that camp.

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Speaker 2: But I'm getting there. I'm getting more radicalized every day.

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Speaker 2: But this is Trump is the one who articulately points

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Speaker 2: out these borders are just arbitrary lines drawn on a map.

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Speaker 2: Like what are we doing here by random line drawn

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Speaker 2: on the map?

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Speaker 4: Why do we care?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, guy, I Goo who did vote for

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Speaker 2: the Lake and Riley Act. By the way, Democrats tried

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Speaker 2: to the last administration stake out this hawkish border position

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Speaker 2: through their like bipartisan immigration bill. But I think you're

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Speaker 2: right that at this point, none of them are open borders.

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Speaker 4: That's just there's none.

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Speaker 2: Of them that are a worse Actually, but I think

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Speaker 2: that anybody who is, you know, even slightly progressive, they're

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Speaker 2: happy to attack the Trump administration, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: that they've landed yet on where they want to specifically be,

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Speaker 2: and I think that'll be fleshed down a lot, probably

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Speaker 2: in the next presidential election is when we'll see more

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Speaker 2: specifics about what that plan actually looks like. I mean

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Speaker 2: to speak to the Trump self deportation piece. This is

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Speaker 2: their their major program is effectively sadism and cruelty on display,

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Speaker 2: symbolic displays of mass of cruelty like sending to l Salvador,

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Speaker 2: sending to Libya, et cetera, deporting the child with cancer,

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Speaker 2: plus self deportation.

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Speaker 4: That's their true.

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Speaker 2: Policy, their actual policy, and so you know that's where

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Speaker 2: the thousand dollars to self deport comes in. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I want to note, they try to make it seem

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Speaker 2: like this is a great deal for immigrants and oh,

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Speaker 2: then you'll have a better shot to come back in

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Speaker 2: In many instances that is not the case. And in

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Speaker 2: many instances you know you will lose out on if

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Speaker 2: you have, for example, like an actually legitimate asylum claim

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Speaker 2: that has a shot or some other potential to for relief,

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Speaker 2: you would lose out on that. By availing yourself of

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Speaker 2: this program. I don't think Ruben Diego's like, I guess

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Speaker 2: I like Ruben Diego's idea better than that, but it's

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Speaker 2: still not a great idea because I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 2: when you're just okay, well, who can pay five thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: then you get to jump the line. Not crazy about

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Speaker 2: that from a class perspective. Not crazy about the you

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Speaker 2: get a work visa based on quote unquote good behavior,

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Speaker 2: because what does that do? That hands tons of power

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Speaker 2: to you know, it's like the H one B program.

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Speaker 2: It hands tons of power to capitalists and the bass

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Speaker 2: and does fuel a sort of like exploited underclass. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not crazy about his solution either, that is being

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Speaker 2: offered as an alternative year I think also has some

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Speaker 2: major issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, part of this is that there's really

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Speaker 3: no good solution to what happened over the course of

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Speaker 3: the last several years. And obviously we all disagree on

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Speaker 3: what the scope of the quote unquote solution should be.

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Speaker 3: But you know, when you have so much immigration and

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Speaker 3: such a short time span, obviously there's a need for

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Speaker 3: like some type of government grappling with that, or some

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Speaker 3: type of like significant government policy to address what happened

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Speaker 3: and to and by the way, that's for American citizens,

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Speaker 3: but also for the migrants who end up living these

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Speaker 3: such precarious existences. Like when we were talking earlier about

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Speaker 3: the little girls who were deported US citizens who were deported.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's not fun for them, it's

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Speaker 3: not fun for the parents.

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Speaker 5: That's just a it's a mess.

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Speaker 3: Because of all of these legal questions and Diego's five

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars. One of the reasons that concerns me, to

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Speaker 3: be honest, is that a lot of these migrants are

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Speaker 3: already in debt to smugglers, and the smugglers are working

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Speaker 3: for the cartels, and so that's basically would be like

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Speaker 3: a massive cartel subsidy or be a massive like wealth

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Speaker 3: transfer to the cartels that we're currently trying to help

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Speaker 3: Mexico undercut, and Mexico is currently trying to undercut, at

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Speaker 3: least if you believe top figures in the government, that

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Speaker 3: they're trying to go after these cartels and break apart

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Speaker 3: the cartels because they have rektavoc on the lives of

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Speaker 3: ordinary Mexicans. So I don't I think there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of problems with the solution. I do, though, think

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Speaker 3: it's I wonder actually the fact that he voted for

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Speaker 3: the Lake and Riley Act and got probably a lot

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Speaker 3: of flak from the left. I mean, I imagine in

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Speaker 3: Arizona it wasn't that bad, although there's a pretty robust

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Speaker 3: migrant advocacy movement in Arizona. But I wonder if that

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Speaker 3: actually pushed him to come up with like some type

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Speaker 3: of answer policy answer.

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Speaker 2: To this, because I think that's possible, because I think

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Speaker 2: he wants to. I think he is considering running for

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Speaker 2: president eight and I think the Lake and Riley Act

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Speaker 2: is going to be pretty damn well near disqualifying for

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Speaker 2: him in that race, given the way that the Democratic

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Speaker 2: base has, you know, once again shifted on immigration and

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Speaker 2: is appalled not And it's not just about the substance

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Speaker 2: of that bill, it's also about your first instinct when

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Speaker 2: Trump two point zero came in was to capitulate, and

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Speaker 2: that is for the Democratic base right now, that is

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Speaker 2: the ultimate sin. And that you did it on, you know,

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Speaker 2: an issue that has become very central and very animating

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Speaker 2: for the Democratic base. I think is a huge problem

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Speaker 2: for him. And I think he's savvy enough to realize that.

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Speaker 3: Really interesting, well, Chrystal, Let's move on to developments between

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Speaker 3: India and Pakistan. Frightening developments between India and Pakistan.

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Speaker 2: We've been closely tracking escalating tensions between the two nuclear

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Speaker 2: powers of Pakistan and India in the wake of a

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Speaker 2: horrific terrorist attack that occurred in India. Can put these

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Speaker 2: images up on the screen where India has now struck

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Speaker 2: Pakistan in quite a significant way. You can see the

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Speaker 2: explosions here. In addition, though it does appear that India

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Speaker 2: lost several fighter jets, so they have taken some damage

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Speaker 2: here as well, though the details around that remain murky.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now to discuss and break down all of

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Speaker 2: the events that led up to this and the significance

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Speaker 2: of what is unfolding right now is Wakas Ahmed. He

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Speaker 2: is a journalist for drop site News. Really glad to

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Speaker 2: have you with us.

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Speaker 15: Thank you for having me, yes.

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Speaker 2: Of course, So just bring people up to speed about

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Speaker 2: what we know about this particular attack from India and

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Speaker 2: then give us a little bit of the background of

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Speaker 2: how we got to this point.

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Speaker 17: Yes, last night in Pakistan, in India time, India struck nine

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Speaker 17: different places, specific places in Pakistan some were in the

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Speaker 17: disputed territory of Kashmir, some were in Pakistan proper, like

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Speaker 17: Pakistan's main land. According to the Pakistani sources, twenty people

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Speaker 17: have died. Pakistani sources say all of them were civilians.

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Speaker 17: Indians say that they were terrorists. There have been some

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Speaker 17: photos that have been released by the Pakistani government showing

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Speaker 17: a child and a woman who is injured, and there

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Speaker 17: are further claims that other families may have been killed

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Speaker 17: in this attack. So that's the Pakistani claim on Indian

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Speaker 17: claim on the other side is that targeted terrorists hideouts

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Speaker 17: and training facilities. India did that because of an attack

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Speaker 17: that happened a few weeks ago in the Indian healthcare

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Speaker 17: territory of Kashmir in the town called Pilgram. Twenty six people,

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Speaker 17: twenty six tourists were killed in that attack, and India

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Speaker 17: that entirely on Pakistan immediately. Pakistan has been asking for

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Speaker 17: investigations for these attacks. India has not offered any evidence

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Speaker 17: so far, but India did take that opportunity as a

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Speaker 17: pretext to launch an attack on Pakistan. And now we've

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Speaker 17: seen what has happened during this attack. There are reports

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Speaker 17: that four jets have been Now we cannot say if

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Speaker 17: they were shot down or they were crashed, but there

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Speaker 17: are debris of four jets in four different cities inside India.

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Speaker 17: Most likely, because it's been multiple hours since these debris

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Speaker 17: have been recovered, it is most likely that these are

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Speaker 17: Indian jets.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, let's put up C three.

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Speaker 3: This is a New York Times tear sheet on the

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Speaker 3: situation and Wakasa. I just want to ask what you

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Speaker 3: might expect to see in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 3: Can we expect escalation? What do you think is the

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Speaker 3: what do you think we should be watching out for

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Speaker 3: just twenty four or fourty eight hours out from now.

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Speaker 17: So this was a very interesting night in Pakistan and

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Speaker 17: India because these attacks happened, and as soon as these

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Speaker 17: the news of these attacks started coming in, videos of

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Speaker 17: these crash jets started coming in. So there's very mixed

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Speaker 17: feeling in Pakistan. Pakistanis think that while India has attacked Pakistan,

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Speaker 17: there has been some retaliation, but we don't know to

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Speaker 17: what extent. This feeling is prevalent in Pakistani military leadership.

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Speaker 17: There are some indications that Pakistan could say that India

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Speaker 17: tried to attack us. We retaliated and we defended Pakistan

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Speaker 17: and it is over now. Now this provides Pakistan with

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Speaker 17: an exit ramp over here. India has already said that

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Speaker 17: they do not plan further escalation. While they already have

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Speaker 17: escalated this, there's this gap where Pakistan has not targeted

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Speaker 17: any Indian territory so far. So there are two big

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Speaker 17: opinions in Pakistan. One is that Pakistan must retaliate and

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Speaker 17: must attack Indian mainland also, and there's one opinion saying

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Speaker 17: that Pakistan has already defended. Pakistan has shot down at

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Speaker 17: least four jets, some say two New York Times is

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Speaker 17: saying too but Pakistan has shot down a few jets

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Speaker 17: and that provides Pakistan with enough retaliation for now. If

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Speaker 17: these voices prevail in Pakistan, and I'm sure they're behind

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Speaker 17: the scenes, there are the US administration, multiple diplomats are

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Speaker 17: trying pushing Pakistan to take this exit ramp and say

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Speaker 17: that this night the scores were evened and there's no

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Speaker 17: need for further escalation. If this happened, then it's fine.

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Speaker 17: But Pakistani government is controlled by the Pakistani military. Pakistani

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Speaker 17: military has been running the country for the past many years,

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Speaker 17: especially since they removed the Prime minister a round and

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Speaker 17: now because of that, it sits on a very flimsy

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Speaker 17: moral ground, legal ground, and it is run by the

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Speaker 17: Army Chief of Pakistan, General Assimuni. Now, he might see

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Speaker 17: this as an opportunity to make his hold on power

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Speaker 17: even more firm by appealing to these kinds of sentiments

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Speaker 17: in Pakistan, like pro war sentiments, and he might think

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Speaker 17: of attacking India if such a thing happens, that there

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Speaker 17: might be for the escalation. But this is all related

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Speaker 17: to Pakistan's internal politics.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to President Trump's

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Speaker 2: reaction to those strikes by India.

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Speaker 18: Take aism any questions to Steve.

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Speaker 6: Jack Now, it's a shame.

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Speaker 19: We just heard about it, just as we were walking

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Speaker 19: in the doors of the oval, just heard about it.

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Speaker 19: I guess people knew something was going to happen based

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Speaker 19: on a little bit of the past. They've been fighting

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Speaker 19: for a long time, you know, they've been fighting for many,

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Speaker 19: many decades and centuries. Actually, have you ever really think

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Speaker 19: about it now? I just hope it ends very quickly.

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Speaker 2: So someone seems to have helped him with his historical

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Speaker 2: knowledge here. Previously he had said that Indian Pakistan had

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Speaker 2: been fighting for fifteen hundred years. Now he's rolled that

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Speaker 2: back to many decades. But in any case, well, because

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Speaker 2: what's your reaction to what the president had to say

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Speaker 2: there and what sort of pressure the US would be

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Speaker 2: able to exert on the situation.

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Speaker 17: So the Trump administration has been very measured in this.

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Speaker 17: During the school conflict between Biers, that the most recent

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Speaker 17: conflict between BIISN and India, they have actually pushed India

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Speaker 17: for some resent. J Van Vice President JD. Vans a

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Speaker 17: few days ago said that we are talking in talks

879
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Speaker 17: with India to make sure that no further escalation happened.

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Speaker 17: And that was a few days ago, and India has

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Speaker 17: escalated to a certain point. But if you see, the

882
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Speaker 17: Indian escalation is also very measured. They did not violate

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Speaker 17: Pakistani airspace, Their jets did not come into Pakistan. They

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Speaker 17: targeted their targets from inside Indian territory. So there was

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Speaker 17: a line that they did not cross because they didn't

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Speaker 17: want a specific level of escalation.

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Speaker 15: This, like I said earlier, does provide Pakistan with an

888
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Speaker 15: off ramp.

889
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Speaker 17: And it seems like the Trump admin has been talking

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Speaker 17: to the Indian side and has not been giving Indian

891
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Speaker 17: side what they wanted. But because what Indian side really

892
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Speaker 17: wanted was Israel like treatment. They wanted America to give

893
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Speaker 17: a cartive blash to Indians to do whatever they want

894
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Speaker 17: in Pakistan. They also wanted the Trump admin to name

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Speaker 17: Pakistan as being behind this terror attack, which they have

896
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Speaker 17: not done. Interestingly, none of these things went India's way,

897
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Speaker 17: and now the pressure is on both countries to show

898
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Speaker 17: restraint and not escalate this further. And we see this

899
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Speaker 17: the way Trumpet basically he has given a non answer.

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Speaker 15: He has said nothing. Last time he said at.

901
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Speaker 17: Fifteen they've been fighting for fifteen hundred years, No action required.

902
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Speaker 17: Right now he said they've been fighting for decades, like

903
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Speaker 17: no action required on his part.

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Speaker 15: The Admin will do nothing.

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Speaker 17: So they'll be on behind the scenes talking to both

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Speaker 17: countries trying to re escalate things.

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Speaker 2: And well, CAUs how significant is it that at least

908
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Speaker 2: one of the strikes was in Punjab province, as you

909
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Speaker 2: were describing, sort of like the main heartland of Pakistan.

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Speaker 17: Well, it is significant. It significant if you look at it.

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Speaker 17: It depends on how much significance the Pakistani mility gives

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Speaker 17: to it.

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Speaker 15: Pakistani ambility can go both ways. From here.

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Speaker 17: It can say that even though Pakistan's mainland was attacked,

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Speaker 17: even though Punjab was attacked, we have retaliated by shooting

916
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Speaker 17: down those jets and this is what Pakistani defense forces

917
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Speaker 17: are for, and that's it. But if the military high

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Speaker 17: command decides that this is a line that India has crossed,

919
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Speaker 17: and we will look very bad in the eyes of

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Speaker 17: Pakistani public, in the eyes of the larger Pakistani military,

921
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Speaker 17: we will look very bad if we don't respond to that.

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Speaker 17: If the Pakistani military takes that, like, goes towards that analysis,

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Speaker 17: then there will be further escalation. And if there is

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Speaker 17: further escalation, then there is a slippery, slippery slope that

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Speaker 17: we are going towards nuclear war because both countries have it.

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Speaker 17: And it is really easy to think now that nuclear

927
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Speaker 17: war is like a remote or complete impossibility, but it

928
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Speaker 17: is not.

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Speaker 15: These things can slip really really fast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my last question is actually going to be exactly

931
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Speaker 3: on that point. Will cost like what we tend to

932
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Speaker 3: not think really hard about, maybe it's wishful thinking, but

933
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Speaker 3: about nuclear possibility and how these situations can kreene out

934
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Speaker 3: of control really quickly because you know, we feel like

935
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Speaker 3: we have one hundred years of evidence that nuclear weapons

936
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Speaker 3: lead to, you know, mutually assured destruction, which creates some

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Speaker 3: type of mutual datan But why in this case do

938
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Speaker 3: you think people should be worried about how completely tenuous

939
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Speaker 3: and fragile the situation is.

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Speaker 17: So there's like three steps to nuclear war over here.

941
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Speaker 17: If India, if Pakistan right now decides that it needs

942
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Speaker 17: to retaliate inside India, it needs to destroy some target

943
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Speaker 17: in the inside Indian borders. Pakistan fires missiles, Pakistan destroys

944
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Speaker 17: those targets. India takes that as an escalation, and India

945
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Speaker 17: will then have to respond. If India responds by moving

946
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Speaker 17: their forces towards borders, then India is a military giant.

947
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Speaker 15: Its its forces are massive.

948
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Speaker 17: If it moves into Pakistan, Pakistan will have a very

949
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Speaker 17: hard time resisting that. And if such a thing happens,

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Speaker 17: Pakistan has something called tactical news and Pakistani nuclear and

951
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Speaker 17: war doctrine says that when India is closing into major cities,

952
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Speaker 17: Pakist lan can use really small nukes on these military

953
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Speaker 17: formations that are coming towards Pakistan. So if Pakistan uses

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Speaker 17: a tactical new like say, if these nukes are provided

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Speaker 17: on the battlefield, and if a situation comes, which is

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Speaker 17: very probable, if a large scale war war happens between

957
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Speaker 17: Pakistan and India, it is very probable that Indian forces

958
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Speaker 17: can move towards Pakistani city. Is very fast because Pakistan

959
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Speaker 17: is like a very thin country if you look at

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Speaker 17: it on the map. As Indian forces move, Pakistani forces

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Speaker 17: have said that they will launch a tactical new Pakistani

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Speaker 17: forces think that launching a tactical nuke will not cause

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Speaker 17: a strategic reaction. But what do you think do you

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Speaker 17: think that if Paisan launches a tiny nuke on Indian soldiers,

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Speaker 17: on Indian forces coming towards Pakistan, do you think India

966
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Speaker 17: will not take that as a pretext to launch a

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Speaker 17: strategic nu nuke towards a Pakistani city. And if that happens,

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Speaker 17: will Pakistan not create retaliate? So that's it. It circles

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Speaker 17: really really fast if not stopped.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is deeply troubling. I think the way you

971
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Speaker 2: put it is really important. You've got an off ramp

972
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Speaker 2: potentially with the downing or the crashing of these Indian jets,

973
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Speaker 2: but you also have an on ramp if the Pakistani

974
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Speaker 2: military decides that they want to escalate. So well, Coas,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time to help

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Speaker 2: us understand.

977
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Speaker 4: What's going on.

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Speaker 15: Thank you so much for having me our pleasure.

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Speaker 2: So At that same meeting with Prime Minister Mark Karney

980
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Speaker 2: that we talked about earlier, Trump also revealed some significant tease,

981
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Speaker 2: one big announcement, and made another quite significant announcement. Let's

982
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Speaker 2: first take a listen to the tease here, and we'll have.

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Speaker 20: Maybe before we're done to as you know, the released

984
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Speaker 20: in Saudi Arabia. We're going to Uee and Qatar and

985
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Speaker 20: that'll be I guess Monday night.

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Speaker 6: Some of you are coming with us. I think before then,

987
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Speaker 6: we're gonna have a very very.

988
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Speaker 8: Big announcement to make, like as as big as it gets.

989
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Speaker 8: And I won't tell you on what, but it's gonna

990
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Speaker 8: and it's very positive. I'd also I tell you if

991
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Speaker 8: it was negative or positive. I can't keep that. It

992
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Speaker 8: is really really positive.

993
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Speaker 21: And that announcement will be made either Thursday or Friday

994
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Speaker 21: or Monday before we leave. But it'll be one of

995
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Speaker 21: the most important announcements that have been made in many

996
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Speaker 21: years about a certain subject, very important subject, so you'll

997
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Speaker 21: all be here.

998
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Speaker 4: So Emily, what's the smart money? I want this?

999
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Speaker 2: This big announcement Trump is teasing here is I I

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Speaker 2: love that it's positive, like you'd be like, guys, big

1001
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Speaker 2: announcement coming, it's gonna be really bad.

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Speaker 1: Time.

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Speaker 5: Did even think about that. That's a good point.

1004
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing it's something to do with Israel and Gaza.

1005
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Speaker 5: I don't know. Do you have a similar take?

1006
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Speaker 4: I guess so.

1007
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Speaker 2: I mean, I we'll just wait. Like Trump is a showman,

1008
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Speaker 2: he oversaws things. Sometimes he'll say something that's going to

1009
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Speaker 2: happen and it never happens, So we'll see what unfolds.

1010
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Speaker 2: But could be with regard to Israel, Gaza and the

1011
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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia deal that they've been trying to figure out.

1012
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: I know that's been really important to Trump. I don't

1013
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: think that they would be there yet on an Iranian

1014
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Speaker 2: deal because those negotiations are continuing, are ongoing. But I

1015
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Speaker 2: guess it's possible something there as well. So I guess

1016
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Speaker 2: we'll just all have to wait and see. At the

1017
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Speaker 2: same time, he announced that they have come to a

1018
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Speaker 2: deal with the Hoofies, and at the time this had

1019
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Speaker 2: not been confirmed or reported it now has been more

1020
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Speaker 2: reported out and by the way, major props to our

1021
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Speaker 2: own Ryan Grim and drop site News because they were

1022
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Speaker 2: apparently influential in helping to secure this quote unquote deal

1023
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Speaker 2: between the Houthis and the US the Guten Take a

1024
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Speaker 2: listen to Trump and then I'll give you some more details.

1025
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Speaker 4: On the other side, we.

1026
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Speaker 6: Had some very good news last night.

1027
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Speaker 8: The Hooties have announced that they are not or they've

1028
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Speaker 8: been announced to us at least, that.

1029
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Speaker 6: They don't want to fight anymore.

1030
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Speaker 8: They just don't want to fight, and we will honor that,

1031
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 8: and we will we will stop the bombings and they

1032
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Speaker 8: have capitulated.

1033
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Speaker 6: But more importantly they we will take their word.

1034
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Speaker 8: They say they will not be blowing up ships anymore,

1035
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Speaker 8: and that's what the purpose of what we were doing.

1036
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Speaker 6: So that's just news. We just found out about that.

1037
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Speaker 6: So I think that's very very positive.

1038
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Speaker 8: They were knocking out a lot of ships going as

1039
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Speaker 8: you know, sailing beautifully down the various seas. It wasn't

1040
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Speaker 8: just a canal, it was a lot of other places.

1041
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Speaker 6: And I will accept their word, and we are going to.

1042
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Speaker 8: Stop the bombing of the Huties effective immediately.

1043
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Speaker 5: Seas.

1044
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I know, but I mean, the the

1045
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Speaker 2: thing here that's like annoying is the hoo Thies were

1046
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Speaker 2: actually not attacked American ships, you know, post cease fire,

1047
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Speaker 2: like they ceased all activity during the ceasefire and then

1048
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Speaker 2: when the seasfire is over, they resumed attacks on Israeli assets,

1049
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Speaker 2: but not on US assets until we started bombing them.

1050
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Speaker 2: So this deal was previously in place and has been

1051
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Speaker 2: on offer effectively the entire time, something that Ryan has

1052
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Speaker 2: been you know, reporting and pointing to, but specifically drop

1053
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Speaker 2: Site had an interview with a Hoofy official and where

1054
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Speaker 2: he laid out, hey, if you guys like if you

1055
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Speaker 2: stop bombing us, we are happy to stop bombing US

1056
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Speaker 2: ships and focus more specifically on israel I. Think it

1057
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Speaker 2: is the other side of that, and drop Site was

1058
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Speaker 2: really criticized often has been criticized for talking to officials

1059
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Speaker 2: from whether it's the Houthis or Jeremy sk Hill just

1060
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Speaker 2: had another interview with hamas official. And yet that interview

1061
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Speaker 2: ends up being influential in leading the US to a

1062
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Speaker 2: better policy, you know, to a better policy visa e.

1063
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Speaker 4: Yemen and the Houthis.

1064
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Speaker 2: So kudos to Ryan and drop Site and it's good

1065
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Speaker 2: to see, you know, some sense coming back to this,

1066
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Speaker 2: because not only was the policy foolish and expensive, it

1067
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Speaker 2: was putting us lives at risk. You had that situation

1068
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Speaker 2: with like the fighter jet falling off of the aircraft

1069
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Speaker 2: carrier because they had to make some sudden maneuver to

1070
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Speaker 2: avoid hoo They attacks. And then also it was absolutely

1071
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Speaker 2: horrific inside of Yemen because we've just been brazenly bombing

1072
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Speaker 2: civilian assets and killing civilians. I mean, Trump bragged about

1073
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Speaker 2: bombing this group of you know, tribal like this tribal

1074
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Speaker 2: gathering that he was claiming was a meeting of Houthi

1075
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Speaker 2: militants or whatever, just total lies. We bombed a migration

1076
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Speaker 2: center that was holding a bunch of where a bunch

1077
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Speaker 2: of African migrants were as well, and killed them. So

1078
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Speaker 2: it's it's good to see that they decided to take

1079
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Speaker 2: the Hoothies up on their offer here of hey, you

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Speaker 2: stop bombing us, we'll stop bombing.

1081
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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, we have some video of bombings in Lebanon

1082
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Speaker 3: just over the last twenty four hours that we can

1083
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Speaker 3: go ahead and roll.

1084
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Speaker 5: You can see this coming up on your screen. This

1085
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Speaker 5: is going to be D three.

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Speaker 3: This is footage from yesterday, Crystal, that's a if you're

1087
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Speaker 3: listening to this, what you're seeing as an airplane just

1088
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Speaker 3: completely on fire. This is the airport which was targeted

1089
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Speaker 3: by air strikes from Israel just yesterday. As the person

1090
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Speaker 3: who posted this points out, the civilian terminal was blown

1091
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Speaker 3: apart and you see planes burning on the tarmac.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just horrific damage to Yemen, one of the poorest

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Speaker 2: countries in the region and has been you know, rocked

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Speaker 2: by civil war, you know, one side of which was

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Speaker 2: funded by the US. Horrific issues with famine and now

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Speaker 2: this being caught in the middle of this conflict. And

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Speaker 2: you know, for the the I mean, the Hoovies have

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Speaker 2: asserted they have been one of the few groups that

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Speaker 2: has really said listen, we are going to take action

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Speaker 2: in response to Israel's genocide in Gaza. And it was

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Speaker 2: quite clear that no amount of bombs was going to

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Speaker 2: dissuade them from continuing in that direction. And you know,

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Speaker 2: they were just able to they were just able to

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Speaker 2: strike you Ben Gurion Airport and saying hey, we're going

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Speaker 2: to institute an air blockade. Now, they don't have that

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Speaker 2: kind of capability, but that was a huge demonstration of

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Speaker 2: strength etc.

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Speaker 4: So quite significant there.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, We have video here of a Yameni man sort

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Speaker 3: of delivering a message to the US and Israel.

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Speaker 5: We can roll D four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's saying, American and Israel today they're attacking

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Speaker 3: a civilian facility.

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Speaker 5: Why are you trying to scare us with America? You

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Speaker 5: won't weaken us? Or what are you trying to scare

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Speaker 5: us America?

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Speaker 3: Or you will not shake us in the slightest you

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Speaker 3: were covering our feet with plastic America plastic. He's yelling

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Speaker 3: what the Americans doing by targeting vital institutions, the infrastructure,

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Speaker 3: the civilians. So it's a desperate situation to be sure.

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Speaker 3: Israel is saying that they completely disabled that airport in

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Speaker 3: Yemen yesterday as well. And another thing to note this

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Speaker 3: is quite interesting D five Reuter's report that came out

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Speaker 3: yesterday as well. The next round of Iran US nuclear

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Speaker 3: talks are likely to be in Oman over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: and an AP story notes that the Foreign Minister of Amon,

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Speaker 3: who has been mediating between the US and the Huthis,

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Speaker 3: is also mediating between America and Iran over the nuclear question.

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Speaker 3: So maybe Crystal, just to tile Bo on this block.

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Speaker 3: That goes back to the big announcement that Trump has

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Speaker 3: been teasing.

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Speaker 5: What did he say?

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Speaker 3: It was as big as can possibly be, big as

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Speaker 3: can be something like that, who knows, but quite quite

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Speaker 3: a significant, I think connection that the same mediator is

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Speaker 3: going between the US and the Housies and also the

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Speaker 3: United States and Iran.

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Speaker 2: The reports are that Israel was also like caught off

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Speaker 2: guard by this quote unquote deal with the Huthis and

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Speaker 2: the US. And you know, it's always a good sign

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Speaker 2: when we're doing things that are upsetting to or surprising

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Speaker 2: or unnerving the Israelis. So we'll take that for what

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Speaker 2: it's worth. Good to see the Iranian negotiations continue and

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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully hopefully something comes down of that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is it's again kind of ironic because probably what

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Speaker 2: will be achieved is effectively a return to the deal

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Speaker 2: that was negotiated under Obama. I'm sure it'll have some

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01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: face saving flourishes so Trump can say this is greater

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Speaker 2: and better and bigger than whatever than what Obama was

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Speaker 2: able to achieve. But the bottom line is the contours

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Speaker 2: will probably be quite similar to the Iranian nuclear deal

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Speaker 2: that was struck under Obama. That Trump himself got out

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Speaker 2: of and excoriated as being so incredibly terrible.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if he's able.

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Speaker 2: To renegotiate something akin to that and the Iranians agree

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01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: to it, you would certainly be vastly better outcome than

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: US marching into war with Iran, a possibility that certainly

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01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: remains on the table. And we've seen a lot of

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Speaker 2: belligerent talk from you know, Pete HeiG Seth and others

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Speaker 2: with regard to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and this is an administration that is staffed,

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Speaker 3: and we'll talk to Mark Lucas.

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Speaker 5: About this, I imagine later in the show.

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Speaker 3: It's staffed by people who are, you know, sort of

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Speaker 3: surprisingly well, it's not surprising if you follow this stuff,

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Speaker 3: but let's say, increasingly anti interventionist from the perspective of

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Speaker 3: like the standards of your typical Republican administration, but also

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Speaker 3: sort of normy Republicans. Mike Kuckabee, by the way, it

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Speaker 3: remains the ambassador to Israel. So it's just, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's easy to be cynical about what's possible.

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Speaker 5: In both of these, whether it's Iran or the Husis.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, when you have such vociferous opposition to actually like

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Speaker 3: the Trump wit cough what they seem to want out

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Speaker 3: of this. I mean, it's hard to know with Trump,

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Speaker 3: but certainly with it as also kind of hard to

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Speaker 3: know with whitcough because he goes back and forth on things,

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Speaker 3: but after he gets pressure from one side and pressure

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Speaker 3: from another side. But we'll see how this goes over

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Speaker 3: the weekend. We'll see what Donald Trump's big announcement is.

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Speaker 3: He's obviously traveling, so there will be much more to

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Speaker 3: come on this front. Well, we have new audio between

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Speaker 3: the tower controller and apply a pilot flying into Newark.

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Speaker 3: You may remember the incident that this comes from. Let's

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Speaker 3: listen to this audio. This is from CNN yesterday. You'll

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Speaker 3: get a good sense of the chaos that is enveloping

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Speaker 3: Newark Airport, major airport, one of the biggest airports in

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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 5: As you take a listen.

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Speaker 22: Here, five FAA employees have now taken special government leave

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Speaker 22: to recover from the stress of it. Here some of

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Speaker 22: that audio where the tower tells one plane that radar

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Speaker 22: is down.

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Speaker 3: No, you do not have a Bravo Clarence.

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Speaker 15: We lost our radar and it's not working correctly. Radar

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Speaker 15: Service termmate's WALKI offrant A proved.

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Speaker 4: If you want to Brava clearancing.

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Speaker 15: Just call the towers then you get closer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll voy for that.

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Speaker 6: Free to see from.

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Speaker 18: You, okay, okay, no this squalk me afar look up

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Speaker 18: the tower for these and we don't have a radar,

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Speaker 18: so I don't know where you are.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So air traffic control and the next element speaks to this.

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Speaker 3: So Wall Street Journal, a big Wall Street Journal story

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Speaker 3: trying to probe what's been going wrong, particularly at Newark

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Speaker 3: and Reagan National Airport here in Washington, DC. And this

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Speaker 3: is Chris. I don't know about you, but listening to

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Speaker 3: that audio, I'm just completely horrifying to hear that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: like this was from April twenty eighth. Again, it's this

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Speaker 3: happening in the afternoon, they realized, and I'm reading from

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Speaker 3: the journal here, the chatter from pilots they were communicating

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Speaker 3: with went silent. Radar screens filled with dots showing air

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01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: craft positions went dark. Backup systems failed. Planes bound for

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Speaker 3: the area went into holding patterns. About ninety seconds later,

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Speaker 3: the traffic control system started blinking back to life, but

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Speaker 3: problems lingered with the radar. Just this is another quote.

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Speaker 3: Another controller offered a warning to a private plane. I

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Speaker 3: want to at least get you towards something and clear

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Speaker 3: of all the other aircraft craft in case we lose

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Speaker 3: the frequency. Again, it is the year twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: and this is what's happening in our skies, affecting you know,

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Speaker 3: many many Americans every single day.

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Speaker 5: What was your reaction to that, CNN Audio Crystal.

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Speaker 2: I mean horror, abject horror, because if you are flying

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Speaker 2: one of these commercial jets, I mean, your visibility is

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Speaker 2: quite limited. You are completely dependent on you know, air

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Speaker 2: traffic control making sure that lanes are avoiding one another.

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Speaker 2: As we saw, I mean the horrific, deadly crash at

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Speaker 2: Reagan National. You know, they weren't able to see or

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Speaker 2: maneuver this, this helicopter that was you know, out of

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Speaker 2: its flight path, et cetera. So it's terrifying that this

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Speaker 2: is even a possibility. It's not just Newark that is

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Speaker 2: having issues. I mean, this is a particularly dire circumstance,

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Speaker 2: but Newark, even beyond this, is wildly understaffed in terms

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Speaker 2: of air traffic controllers. That was potentially also a factor

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Speaker 2: in terms of you know that that deadly crap regg

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Speaker 2: national as well, and so you have a massive understaffing

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01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: issue at a time when this government has been very

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01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: interested in making cuts across the board, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: it creates an incredibly and increasingly dire circumstance. Now, this

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01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: didn't come about just in the Trump administration, as Sean

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: Duffy is very happy to point out that this is

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Speaker 2: certainly a long time coming, but it is certainly a

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Speaker 2: case in point of why it's certain instances we actually

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01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 2: need to be building up government capacity and it is

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Speaker 2: truly a life or death issue. The other thing that

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Speaker 2: I'll say about this is, you know, there's been, uh,

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Speaker 2: there's an overall sense in the country that things are

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: just things are falling apart, The country's in decline. Things

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01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: don't work the way that they're supposed to. Things we

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01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: used to be able to take for granted, we can

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01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: no longer take for granted. And I think that this

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Speaker 2: is probably the most extraordinary example of that, where ten

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Speaker 2: years ago I would have flown in and out of

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Speaker 2: Newark without a care or thought in my mind, and

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Speaker 2: now there is no way I would avoid Newark. Like

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Speaker 2: the plague there's no way I would buy a plane

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Speaker 2: ticket out of Newark Airport at this point.

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Speaker 3: I mean I have literally always felt that way.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, out of safety or just like the unpleasantness

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Speaker 2: of the experience.

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Speaker 5: The unpleasantness of the Yeah, that's right, correct, I guess

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Speaker 5: I have flown out of NewYork. But I do try to,

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Speaker 5: like you said, like the plague.

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Speaker 3: But this comes obviously on the heels of that other

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Speaker 3: very frightening situation at Reagan National last week, since which

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Speaker 3: the Army has paused helicopter flights near the airport, which

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Speaker 3: you would think had actually already happened. They had tried

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Speaker 3: to institute changes after that horrific, insane tragedy that unfolded

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Speaker 3: in January when sixty seven people.

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Speaker 5: Died in the Potomac River.

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Speaker 3: The Washington Post reports the Army is now pausing helicopter

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Speaker 3: flights near Washington Airport after two commercial planes had to

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Speaker 3: abort landings last week because of an Army black Hawk

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Speaker 3: helicopter that was flying to the Pentagon. So what's at

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Speaker 3: the center of all of this really is air traffic control.

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Speaker 3: Let's listen to this. So Pete Munton at CNN, he's

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Speaker 3: their aviation correspondent. He has like actually fantastic reporting on

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Speaker 3: all of this. Let's take a listen to him talking

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Speaker 3: about Newark yesterday where delays continued. Flights bend to Newark

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Speaker 3: again were delayed until midnight because of staffing shortages, which

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Speaker 3: is another major problem for airlines just in general. So

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Speaker 3: let's listen to Pete here.

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Speaker 10: Well, this is pretty damning here.

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Speaker 23: The flights bound to Newark today delayed until midnight tonight,

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Speaker 23: once again due to these air traffic control staffing shortages.

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Speaker 23: Now the ninth straight day of these delays. You said

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Speaker 23: several airplanes were involved here, more like fifteen or twenty

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Speaker 23: according to flight Radar twenty four. In total, more than

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Speaker 23: eight hundred flights canceled, one hundred and sixty just yesterday.

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Speaker 23: It's about a quarter of all flight cancelations nationwide.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the situation for Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy is

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Speaker 3: just a complete disaster, and he's very frustrated with Pete Heigsath.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get into that more, particularly and how

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Speaker 3: it speaks about Heigsa's future when we have Mark Lucas

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Speaker 3: on the show in the next block. But just to

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Speaker 3: focus on Duffy. Now, this is a clip from yesterday.

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Speaker 3: It was posted to his transportation account, And before you

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Speaker 3: listen to it, let's just read the caption.

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Speaker 5: He says.

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Speaker 3: Biden and booda Judge, celebrated their infrastructure bill one point

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Speaker 3: two trillion dollars, the largest infrastructure package known demand. They

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Speaker 3: claimed it was going to change America. They spent less

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Speaker 3: than one percent of the money on fixing our air

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Speaker 3: traffic control system.

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Speaker 5: They ignored warnings.

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Speaker 3: Instead, they spent their time injecting social justice and climate

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Speaker 3: equity crap into everything. So let's go ahead and roll

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Speaker 3: this clip of Duffy speaking to reporters outside the White

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Speaker 3: House yesterday.

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Speaker 24: This is not a new problem. We've known. This problem

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Speaker 24: has existed. There's been multiple GAO reports over the last

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Speaker 24: four years saying you have real problems with air traffic

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Speaker 24: control and you should do something with it before it

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Speaker 24: actually fails.

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Speaker 10: So think about this.

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Speaker 24: The last administration spent one point two trillion dollars, the

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Speaker 24: largest infrastructure package.

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Speaker 10: Ever known to man.

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Speaker 24: They spent Joe Biden signed right here at this White House.

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Speaker 24: And how much was spent to reab old air traffic control?

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 24: Five billion dollars and of the five billion dollars that

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01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 24: was spent or was given, only one billion was actually spent.

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Speaker 24: So they have made no investments in the system that

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Speaker 24: we now see having issues in Newark.

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Speaker 10: On top of that, they were focused on things like

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Speaker 10: racist roads.

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Speaker 24: They literally spent time concerned about the word cockpit and

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Speaker 24: changing cockpit to flight deck. It's not funny, that's actually

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Speaker 24: what they spent time on, or airmen to aero nott

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Speaker 24: And so now this administration has come in and it

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Speaker 24: was shortly after the DCA air crash that I started

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Speaker 24: to look at the air traffic control system and very

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Speaker 24: quickly I saw one piece of the pie where there

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Speaker 24: was issues, and then scratched further and there's another piece

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Speaker 24: of the pie. And as we looked at it, we

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Speaker 24: see that the whole system needs to be redone. We

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Speaker 24: need to build a brand new air traffic control system

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Speaker 24: crystal that.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sympathetic to some of that because I do

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 3: think it's abundantly obvious that there were like distracting, there

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 3: were resources being distracted to lower priority items, and there

1345
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 3: have been pretty bipartisan criticians of that in the past,

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Speaker 3: not super high profile, but if you're like reading trade

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Speaker 3: publications and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: And digging into it.

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Speaker 3: It's not insane to point out that some of the

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Speaker 3: practices were questionable. It does also seem, though, like that

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01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 3: can't last forever as you have these spiraling disasters, like

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Speaker 3: as a public relations strategy, I feel like the public's

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Speaker 3: patients with like scapegoating DEI.

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Speaker 5: Is going to wor thin very quickly.

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Speaker 2: I think it's already worn thin. Yeah, I mean you

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01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: got you know when the initial horrific crash happened, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, we're very early in and you know,

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 2: they did their oh oh it's thee yah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: and I think people were like, Okay, we'll give you

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01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: some time to work this out. Point It's may like

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Speaker 2: you've been on the job for a hot minute. Now

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Speaker 2: you're blaming of wokeness and oh my god, they wanted

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Speaker 2: to change the name of the cockpit or whatever. I

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: don't think that this lands outside of the base. The

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: end of the day, you gotta deliver results. And here's

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Speaker 2: the other thing, Emily is Doge I think did have

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Speaker 2: a direct negative impact on the FAA, not only because

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Speaker 2: they sent those freaking fork in the road emails, even

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Speaker 2: to air traffic controllers and other people that were you know,

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Speaker 2: involved and important at the FAA. So that's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two, they sent in the SpaceX engineers to mess around,

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Speaker 2: and some of the reporting from the inside is that

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01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: they would come with like, oh, guess what, guys like

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01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: we need to have redundancies and this is what they're like.

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Speaker 4: We already know that.

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Speaker 2: You've just like been wasting time to tell us conclusions

1377
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 2: of things that we already know and could be working

1378
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: on fixing instead. So the polar opposite of this idea

1379
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: that this would be quote unquote more efficient, they just

1380
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: were sort of reinventing the wheel and reading new reports

1381
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 2: on things that they already knew needed to be fixed.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention, Sean Duffy is like, oh, they only

1383
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: allocated five billion dollars to fixing this. I'm like that

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 2: seems like a kind of significant sum of money to

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Speaker 2: me personally. And of course you can't snap your fingers

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01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: and fix everything overnight. But in terms of the public perception,

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Speaker 2: this administration has really wrapped their arms around the federal

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01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: government in trying to remake it, and you know they're aggressive.

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01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,759
Speaker 2: Let's take the chainsaw approach. And one of the things

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01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: that you and I and Sager and others were warning

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01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,799
Speaker 2: about from the beginning, and Ryan as well, is that

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Speaker 2: that means when things go wrong, people are going to

1393
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 2: point the finger. And sometimes sometimes it will be aptly

1394
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: pointed of this directly resulted from DOGE failures, and sometimes

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01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 2: it will be maybe an indirect or not or completely unrelated.

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Speaker 2: But you own this thing now, you have completely wrapped

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01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: your arms around every failure that happens. That was one

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: of the big risks, and I think that there is

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Speaker 2: direct criticism to be had of the way that they have,

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01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 2: you know, run the FAA and the just slash and

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01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: burn approach to government, which anyone will tell you there

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 2: are certainly areas where you can cut the fat, but

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01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: right now air traffic control is not one of them.

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01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: You need to be aggressively staffing up, aggressively building capacity,

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01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: and if you are not doing that, then you're failing.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: There's a question also of whether Joe's policies just made

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01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 3: a lot of really experienced people in that fe retire

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: and then like that world generally, if a lot of

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01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 3: experienced people just sort of went for the exits, then

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01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,879
Speaker 3: you end up with a few months, if not longer,

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01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: of a transition period which keep talking about keep coming

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01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 3: up of just chaos, and if it's not augmented with something,

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01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 3: some sort of serious effort to deal with the immediate

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 3: consequences of that, then you end up with thousands of

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 3: people being a miserated at new work and around the country.

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Speaker 3: So we should also mention SpaceX just yesterday got FAA

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01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 3: permission to get an increase in Starship launches from Boca Chica, Texas.

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01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 3: Fivefold increase in those launches just yesterday from the FAA.

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Speaker 4: How nice for them.

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: I've got some connections they were able to work there.

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 4: That's lovely for that.

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01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 3: I think they know someone I'm flying tomorrow and Friday.

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01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 3: So thoughts and prayers appreciated everyone.

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 5: Let's go ahead, fear not.

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Speaker 3: We have more shun Duffy coming up in the next block.

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Speaker 3: He was He's been all over the media the last

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01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 3: couple of days. I guess I understandables. So given there's

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 3: a lot to answer for, so let's get to talking

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 3: about the Pentagon with Mark Lucas, and he'll be coming

1431
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 3: right up. We are joined now by Mark Lucas, who

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01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 3: is a founder of the new group called Veteran Action, Mark,

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01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 3: thank you.

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01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 18: So much for being here, Thank you for having me on.

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 3: Of course, we're going to talk about the VA. We're

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 3: going to start here with some clips actually of Transportation

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01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 3: Secretary Sean Duffy, who has pointed the finger at someone

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: Marcus Own for a really long time. That would be

1439
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 3: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseeth.

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 5: Mark.

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01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 3: We should also say knows Dan Caldwell and some of

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 3: the others who have been caught up in unfortunate internal

1443
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 3: drama at the Pentagon. Let's go ahead and rule f

1444
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 3: one here. This is Sean Duffy talking about what happened

1445
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 3: recently at Reagan National Airport.

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01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 24: So they have to have a mile and a half

1447
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,919
Speaker 24: not they have a mile and a half nautical separation

1448
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 24: out of miles five hundred feet separation.

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01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 10: As well, they breached that.

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01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 24: Airspace, the helicopter did, and so two airplanes had to

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01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 24: go around. The question becomes, who are the VIPs, who

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01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 24: are the is it a two starts restart? General, there's

1453
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 24: a lot of traffic going into the Pentagon, the top

1454
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 24: brass at the White House. They take a suburban or

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 24: a tesla, or or they take their own car. Who

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01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 24: do these generals think they are that they have to

1457
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 24: take helicopters to go to meetings, go to air I

1458
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 24: don't know what it was.

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 10: We should find out, and well the deal do what

1460
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 10: do we ask?

1461
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 4: Well, they're the transformer stations secret how do you.

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01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 10: The FA doesn't know? We asked the DoD.

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01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 24: The d OD has promised radical transparency. They should tell

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01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 24: us who is qualified to take a helicopter out of

1465
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:09,879
Speaker 24: the Pentagon.

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01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 10: I don't know, but they have to tell us. Oh, okay,

1467
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 10: just call up heg Seth. Well I should actually, what

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01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 10: do you call them? Right now? Call Pete?

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01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 24: Okay, I got the fun She actually has a phone

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 24: right by our desh.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I do. I'm ready for that.

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Speaker 24: But those are the answers that we need again when

1473
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 24: we have these near misses. You got to stop the traffic.

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01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 24: And with this in the President, the Vice President, Pete Heigseth,

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01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 24: they all should fly in helicopters. But a two star

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01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 24: I mean, come.

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01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 3: On, okay, so a little cabinet on cabinet violence there,

1478
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 3: let's rule. This next clip of Sean Duffy going on

1479
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: Fox News just twelve hours after that appearance on Laura

1480
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 3: Ingram's show, This is F two.

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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 14: Were you able to find out who was who was

1482
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 14: on that flight?

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:48,879
Speaker 10: And why?

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01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 24: Given what happened with the sixty seven people whose lives

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01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 24: were lost in a similar situation, why would that even

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01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 24: be happening. So there are way too many VIPs is

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 24: what they call them at the Pentagon. I mean, I

1488
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 24: look around the White House. There was a lot of

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 24: really important people here. They take a suburban. Why is

1490
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 24: the Pentagon that much more sophisticated? They have to take

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 24: helos helicopters in a really busy airspace. So I'm hoping

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01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 24: that we're going to get the answers, but I'm gonna

1493
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 24: get charge that I know what was on that flight

1494
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 24: because our Pentagon folks say that it was a training mission,

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01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 24: not a VIP.

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 10: What do you say? So, But here's here's the thing.

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 10: Training missions.

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01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 24: Oftentimes, if you ever go to a football game and

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01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 24: you have a flyover with F sixteen's, guess what that's

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01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 24: called a training mission? So are we moving VIPs and

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01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 24: calling it training missions? And how many training missions are

1502
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 24: you doing in the middle of the day If you had

1503
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 24: a train training at a time where we don't have a.

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01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 10: Busy airspace at DC.

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01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 24: I thought that lesson was learned, you know, back on

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01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 24: the twenty ninth of January. Have any answer from from

1507
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 24: last night to today.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 10: I don't, I think.

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01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 24: But who qualifies for a VIP? Is that a two

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01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 24: star general, a three star general. I want to commend

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01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 24: Secretary Hegseth. He closed down those heloed missions for two weeks.

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01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 24: We're going to look at it together and figure out

1514
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 24: what is the path way forward.

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Speaker 3: And Mark, just lastly, I want to put this next

1516
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 3: element on the screen. This is a Reuter's report that

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01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 3: Hegseth halted military aid shipments to Ukraine, though Trump never

1518
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 3: ordered him to do so.

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Speaker 5: So this is.

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Speaker 3: Talking about just shortly after Heikesth ultimately took office, so

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01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 3: months ago at this point, but I wanted to ask you, Mark,

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 3: you may have some insight onto those those training missions,

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 3: or two star generals.

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01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 5: Abusing privileges, whatever it is.

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01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 3: But just you know Dan Selnik, you know Dan Caldwell,

1526
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 3: you know Pete heiksw Sith, You've known all of them

1527
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 3: for years. What has it been like for you to

1528
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 3: watch as someone who's an advocate for veterans and for

1529
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 3: a strong military just to watch all of this drama

1530
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 3: and chaos play out over the course of the last month,

1531
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: it's gotten pretty ugly.

1532
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 18: It reminds me of Pete hegg Say's Confirmation Battle, where

1533
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 18: we saw an orchestrated in a sophisticated campaign to attack

1534
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 18: Pete Hegseth because he really presents a thre threat to

1535
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 18: the status quo. And to go to the Sean Duffy

1536
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 18: clips on the airspace, I think it's gonna be easy

1537
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 18: to deconflict that airspace. I agree with Secretary Duffy and

1538
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 18: Secretary Hegseeth. There are way too many people that think

1539
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 18: they're VIPs at the Pentagon. They don't need to be

1540
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 18: taking Blackhawks everywhere. They don't need to be taking private

1541
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 18: planes everywhere. They don't even need their private chefs that

1542
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 18: they have in their residences. And I support Secretary Hegseth

1543
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 18: and what he's doing to reduce the number of general

1544
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 18: officers and admirals that we have in the military. So

1545
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 18: there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of people

1546
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 18: trying to distract Secretary Hegseth and our military from the mission,

1547
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 18: and that mission is the warfighter that's restoring lethality, back

1548
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 18: to our pentagon, getting back to the basics. I remember

1549
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,480
Speaker 18: guys like Pete and I when we were military commanders.

1550
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 18: We did not have the opportunity to focus on frivolous matters.

1551
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 18: I trained my men to focus on the big four. Shoot, move, communicate,

1552
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 18: stop bloe. We need to refocus our pentagon on the fundamentals.

1553
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 18: I do believe that we'll get refocused here shortly.

1554
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 5: Am I just go ahead? Crystal Well?

1555
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, if this is an

1556
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: orchestrated campaign against Pete, Hegseth, who's orchestrating it is, as

1557
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: Sean Duffy. Because this is coming from within the Trump administration,

1558
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: and then you have all of this staff turnover, you

1559
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 2: know that is legitimate to comment upon that looks like

1560
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: a total and complete shit show, not to mention reports

1561
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: coming out about an utterly toxic and chaotic atmosphere. So

1562
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 2: you know, isn't there legitimacy to the criticism here, especially

1563
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 2: when look, I'm on the left. Now, don't chair your

1564
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: ideology or Emily's necessarily, but I'll take the wins where

1565
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: I can get them. The end, Caldwell seem like someone

1566
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 2: who was generally ideologically skeptical of unnecessary, endless wars in

1567
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: the Middle East. He is now out of there, So

1568
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: isn't that something that should concern all of us who

1569
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: want to avoid unnecessary wars?

1570
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 18: Well, we all knew that with Pete Heggs at the

1571
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 18: Secretary of Defense, there's gonna be turbulence at with all

1572
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 18: of Trump's cabinet picks. Because President Trump is a disruptor.

1573
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 18: He was not going to put the in fairness with

1574
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 18: people in this.

1575
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 4: This just seems like complete spin.

1576
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: Like we just played you a clip of Sean Duffy,

1577
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: another Trump administration official, criticizing Pete Hegseth. So I get

1578
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: he's your friend, but you can't acknowledge that there's anything

1579
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: that's gone sideways here or not been ideal from the beginning.

1580
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 18: I don't think that Secretary Duffy and Secretary hegset are

1581
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 18: sideways on this. It sounded like in that last clip

1582
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 18: that they were both trying to resolve this matter. And

1583
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 18: you know, I deconflicted airspace in Afghanistan. Why I called airstrikes.

1584
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 18: I fly in the DCA quite frequently, is a very

1585
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 18: congested airspace that we need to deconflict and I think

1586
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 18: the biggest problem are all these general officers who think

1587
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 18: that they're a VIP that have to get on aircraft.

1588
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 18: So I think we'll get this resolved. And I'm just

1589
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 18: looking at this like this media hit. We're focused on aircraft.

1590
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 18: We're not talking about lethality, we're not talking about the

1591
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 18: recruiting surges. We're not talking about the things that are

1592
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 18: really important. And people in the Beltway they want to

1593
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 18: present these distractions so we can't focus on rooting out

1594
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 18: the woke the EI policies over the last four years.

1595
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: Divans, Well, Mark, let me ask about so actually on

1596
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 3: that point, there was the COVID nineteen reinstatements actually affected you,

1597
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,440
Speaker 3: and that happened recently, and so there have been significant

1598
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 3: reforms at the Pentagon so far and also at the VA,

1599
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 3: which is the area that you focus on significantly, and

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01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 3: to a lot of people, probably some of these have

1601
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 3: felt maybe sudden and dramatic, But I want to ask

1602
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 3: you just for your take on how all of this

1603
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 3: has transpired. To Crystal's point, it does seem like some

1604
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 3: of it has been rolled out in a chaotic way.

1605
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 3: Although I guess the counter argument to this, and maybe

1606
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 3: it's A point that you'll make is that it's hard

1607
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 3: to make big reforms without causing chaos. But how do

1608
01:23:56,439 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: you do that without at the same time protecting veterans.

1609
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 3: And this goes back to years and years for you,

1610
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 3: Like we've worked in the space for a long time

1611
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 3: and maybe never expected to have such an opportunity with

1612
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 3: somebody like Pete Hikes that's running the Pentagon actually to put.

1613
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 5: Some of these things in motion. So do you have

1614
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 5: any concerns about how all of this has been rolled out?

1615
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 5: What do you make of it?

1616
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 18: There's always gonna be challenges when you want to reform

1617
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 18: two of the largest bureaucracies in the world, and that's

1618
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 18: the Pentagon and the VA. And I'm starting to see

1619
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 18: a replay of twenty seventeen with our VA reforms. I

1620
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 18: was able to brief President Trump in the White House

1621
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 18: on his ten point plan to help veterans, and two

1622
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 18: of those key points that I agreed with him on

1623
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 18: were VA choice, providing veterans' choice in their healthcare, and

1624
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 18: also accountability, us being able to fire those bad VA

1625
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 18: employees who put veterans' lives at risk. And we were

1626
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 18: trying to get that bill one of those bills passed

1627
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 18: in the first hundred days, but Congressional Republicans were dragging

1628
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 18: their feet. Fast forward to today and Trump's second term.

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01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 18: We have the Veteran Access Act, which is very critical,

1630
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 18: and Congressional Republicans aren't moving fast enough. This bill is

1631
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 18: stuck in committee, and we have veterans who can't receive

1632
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 18: access to care. There's just a story last month in

1633
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 18: the state of Texas that a Navy veteran was trying

1634
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 18: to be seen at the Audie Murphy VA hospital. They

1635
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 18: didn't want to talk to him, they just want to

1636
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 18: give him pills, and he shot himself in the head

1637
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 18: in front of that hospital. His father, a doctor, solely

1638
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 18: blames the VA for not listening to his son. These

1639
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 18: things are happening every day, and we have these arbitrary

1640
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 18: wait times where if you have to drive over thirty

1641
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 18: minutes to a VA hospital, or you have to wait

1642
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 18: at least twenty days, that you can't get community care

1643
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,719
Speaker 18: well veterans who have a mental health crisis. They don't

1644
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,879
Speaker 18: have days, they may have hours, or they may have minutes.

1645
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 18: So we're going to reform the VA. We're starting to

1646
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 18: see some good signs. Secretary Collins wants reduced to staff

1647
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 18: by eighty thousand. We want to streamline and really refocus

1648
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 18: and prioritize our VA. The budget's doubled over the last

1649
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 18: ten years. We've added one hundred thousand new employees in

1650
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 18: the last ten years at the VA. The veteran population

1651
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 18: in fact is going down and our cares going down.

1652
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 18: So money and buildings and staffing are not the problem

1653
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 18: with the VA is an ideological problem.

1654
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: So let's put F four up on the screen. ProPublica

1655
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: recently got their hands on some internal emails from the

1656
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 2: VA revealing deep concerns about the way that DOGE cuts

1657
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,919
Speaker 2: have already impacted veteran care. Specifically, there was a focus

1658
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: on life saving cancer trials and veterans losing access to

1659
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: some of the treatments they previously had access to. In addition,

1660
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, the administration has said that it plans

1661
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 2: to eliminate at least seventy thousand positions through layoffs involuntary BIONCE.

1662
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 2: And I hear your comment that, Okay, just throwing money

1663
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 2: at the problem doesn't necessarily solve it. But what we've

1664
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: seen with DOGE thus far is that they are not

1665
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 2: actually going after the lowest performing federal government employees. In fact,

1666
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 2: they're cuts at the Social Security Administration, to take one example,

1667
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 2: have really hamstrung their ability to provide services to our population.

1668
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 2: So aren't you concerned that veterans are going to lose

1669
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 2: access and that the quality of care is going to

1670
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 2: be further degraded by taking a Doge style chainsaw to

1671
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:32,480
Speaker 2: this workforce.

1672
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 18: I'm concerned that veterans don't have true choice in their

1673
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 18: healthcare and that we have Democrats who were overlooking the

1674
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 18: last four years. The VA have been overlooking all these

1675
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 18: problems that we've had there for decades. All they want

1676
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 18: to do is spend more money, add more staff, and say, hey,

1677
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 18: we're fixing the problem that has not worked. We cannot

1678
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,719
Speaker 18: double down on just adding more money and more people.

1679
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 18: We have to give choice. And what this will do

1680
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 18: is veterans we put on the uniform, we're willing to

1681
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,759
Speaker 18: die for this country. All we want is healthcare choice.

1682
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 18: So if I can't get seen at a VA hospital,

1683
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 18: if I'm not happy with my care, I should be

1684
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 18: able to go across the street to the University of

1685
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 18: Iowa Healthcare System. But if I'm happy with my VA,

1686
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 18: I should be able to stay there. We just want

1687
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 18: to present a choice. But what we see is that

1688
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 18: Democrats and bureaucrats in the VA, they prioritize their bureaucracy

1689
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 18: and protecting their union jobs over providing care. I believe

1690
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 18: Competition number one will focus on the veteran getting the

1691
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 18: best care, but it also will improve the VA. The

1692
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 18: VA should be highly focused on post traumatic stress TBI, burn,

1693
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 18: pit exposure, those core health concerns that veterans face the

1694
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 18: are unique to our community. But instead politicians they want

1695
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 18: to send more money. They want to put a nice,

1696
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 18: fancy name on a bill to say, Hey, we served

1697
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 18: our veterans. And I'll tell this to Republicans and Democrats alike.

1698
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 18: You need to deliver. You want veterans in your campaign ads,

1699
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 18: you want veterans to show up and vote for you. You

1700
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 18: need to go to Washington and you need to deliver.

1701
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 18: You have not delivered for decades, and veterans are not

1702
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 18: happy with the care that we're receiving at the VA.

1703
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 6: Mark.

1704
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 3: I remember during hegcess confirmation, you and I talked, and

1705
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 3: one of my questions through at the time is kind

1706
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 3: of combines the two things we've talked about so far,

1707
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 3: which is, these are really fragile systems already, and even

1708
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 3: if we you and I probably agree on this, believe

1709
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 3: that they need to be streamlined, and some cuts are

1710
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 3: entirely reasonable, if not necessary. Is there a risk that

1711
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 3: in this Pentagon if it is being thwarted by people

1712
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 3: who don't want to see reforms, don't want to see

1713
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth, who don't want to see people like Dan Caldwell,

1714
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 3: you know, walking the halls of the Pentagon. Is there

1715
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 3: a risk if you combine the sort of internal drama

1716
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 3: with the new for reform, a lot of things end

1717
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 3: up falling through the cracks because the system is in chaos.

1718
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,919
Speaker 3: People are trying to thwart the secretary. If that's what's happening,

1719
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 3: and you know, these major reforms are not you know,

1720
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 3: if they're like open heart surgeries.

1721
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 5: They're high risk and high reward.

1722
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 3: But the risk is really high and if you don't

1723
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 3: have a steady hand metaphorically, that can be a sort

1724
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 3: of dangerous situation.

1725
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 18: I always forecasted that the biggest war that we're going

1726
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,879
Speaker 18: to see in our military was going to be inside

1727
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 18: the walls of the Pentagon. I knew that Pete Hegseth

1728
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 18: and Donald Trump were going to introduce so much disruption

1729
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 18: to the Ukraine War, to what we're seeing with the Huthis,

1730
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 18: to securing the border, to uprooting DEI and Woke policies,

1731
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 18: this Marxism that has really infiltrated the building. I knew

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Speaker 18: that they were not going to go down without a fight,

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Speaker 18: so I expected this, and I believe that we're on

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Speaker 18: the right path. I do believe that under President Trump

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Speaker 18: and Pete heggs sth and guys like me who fought

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Speaker 18: in these forever wars, that we do not want to

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Speaker 18: be entangled in foreign engagements like our founding fathers warned

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Speaker 18: us about. And we want to get back to the fundamentals.

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Speaker 18: We're going to break a lot of China, and we

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Speaker 18: have to because we've had decades of these entrenched special

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Speaker 18: interest these military industrial companies that were more focused on

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Speaker 18: their bottom line than actually winning our wars serving the

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Speaker 18: American people. We're going to get back to those fundamentals.

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Speaker 18: And I can't overstate also the southern border. I never

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Speaker 18: looked at the border as a political issue. I never

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Speaker 18: looked at it as a immigration issue. Our borders are

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Speaker 18: a part of our national security strategy. If you talk

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Speaker 18: to any private who served in Iraq ra Afghanistan, they

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Speaker 18: will tell you the number one priority in theater is

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Speaker 18: establishing three hundred and sixty degree security. Well, we have

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01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 18: had no operational control of our southern border. So you're

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Speaker 18: looking at all these domestic priorities, you're looking at the budget,

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01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 18: you're looking at our foreign policy. See, there is a

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Speaker 18: lot of work to do. We knew it was going

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Speaker 18: to be turbulent, but it'll be worth it.

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Speaker 3: Mark Lucas, founder of Veteran Action, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us and being willing to talk through some

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01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 3: of these issues.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 18: Thank you for having me on Crystal.

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Speaker 3: We have some good news after all of this bad news.

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Speaker 3: It'll be a girl show again tomorrow. I can just

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Speaker 3: hear the audience crying out with joy at that announcement.

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Speaker 21: I love.

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Speaker 2: I still always think about the guy you met who

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01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 2: was like I even like the Ladies show, even the

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Speaker 2: Girls Let's Go.

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Speaker 5: So this one's for him, obviously.

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Speaker 3: But it was such a pack show, and we're expecting

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Speaker 3: a very packshow tomorrow. As we mentioned at the top

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01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 3: of the show, so much going on today, so we

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01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 3: will be here with.

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01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 5: Updates on all of it.

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Speaker 3: As a reminder, Breakingpoints dot com is where you can

1775
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,919
Speaker 3: go to get a premium subscription. We're doing those Friday

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01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,600
Speaker 3: shows now and the second half of those are for

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Speaker 3: subscribers only, And as we continue to say, Crystal, we

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01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 3: really we keep the good stuff for the second half,

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01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 3: so you gotta subscribe to watch it.

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Speaker 4: That's yeah, I mean that's kind of the whole idea

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Speaker 4: is to make.

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Speaker 2: You be like, I gotta see that whatever they're gonna

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01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 2: say about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we gotta sign up.

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01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 5: For that, right mash that subscribe button.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, to your point, you were listening for it.

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01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 2: We got like the FED meeting today, we got a

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Speaker 2: presser or what else. We got all kinds of that's

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01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 2: gonna be jd Vance right in Europe, where you know

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01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 2: he loves the Europeans, they love him right back, so

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that's just gonna be just gonna be a

1792
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 2: love fest all the way around. But we'll have it,

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Speaker 2: have it all cover for you guys then, so we'll

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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow.