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Speaker 1: comes in, but We've got plenty to react to. Jerry

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Speaker 1: moments ago, and he did drop some nuggets. Yeah he did,

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Speaker 1: And he dropped a couple of nuggets for Cowboys fans

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Speaker 1: out there, including one that we sort of tossed around

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Speaker 1: yesterday was what is the option to replace Lyle Collins

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Speaker 1: at right tackle? And we now know the current option now.

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Speaker 1: Lyle Collins, according to Jerry Jones, is now in the

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Speaker 1: appeal process of his five game suspension that was handed

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Speaker 1: down by the NFL. He is still not able to

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Speaker 1: play this Sunday against the Los Angeles Chargers, so still

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Speaker 1: no hope for him this week. However, the appeal process

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Speaker 1: a little bit, or even better than that, it's erased completely.

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Speaker 1: So there's things here to think about, including who is

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Speaker 1: going to be the backup well starting at right tackle

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. It'll be second year undrafted free agent out

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Speaker 1: of Texas Tech Terrence Steele. He will be your right

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Speaker 1: tackle on Sunday. Reaction reaction, Okay, well, I mean you

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Speaker 1: know there's a reaction, and I think this team desperately

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Speaker 1: needed to find a swing tackle solution during training camp.

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Speaker 1: That came away with saying that Niseki and Steele were

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Speaker 1: your answer, and that's what we have to go to

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Speaker 1: war with, guys. I mean, look rarely the freaking troops. Huh,

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Speaker 1: it's just what you gotta do. If you have to

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Speaker 1: learn the serenity prayers, God given serenities, something things I

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Speaker 1: cannot change, courage to change the things I can incourage

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Speaker 1: to know the difference. How this is the courage to

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Speaker 1: know the difference? Well, hey, whatever, it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you have to accept the fact that

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Speaker 1: you know, we're in a situation with Leo Collins where

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be in the game. He can't

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Speaker 1: play through an appeal. They're going to make it. It's

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable for I mean, we're not gonna get much information

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Speaker 1: on this whole thing. It's a five game suspension. We

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Speaker 1: have to go forward. There's nothing else to it. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Got roll with what you have, right, That's where we

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Speaker 1: got Terrence still coming in here, still got to find

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Speaker 1: a way to stop that bossa boy and the rest

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Speaker 1: of his crew. And this is what we got. They'll

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Speaker 1: put up together a game plan. Now, again, I want

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Speaker 1: to remind everybody that even if we had Lyole Collins,

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Speaker 1: we were going to give help regardless. He was going

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Speaker 1: to have assistance, whether it's Collins, whether it's Still, whether

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Speaker 1: it's n Sag. Oh my goodness, everybody, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: we Rob Phillips, Rob, Hello, continue with your point though,

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Speaker 1: before we get to Yeah, I mean, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Um no, But regardless of who was going to be

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Speaker 1: them more now because he's not a pro bowler out there. However,

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Speaker 1: they were going to need some help. It's not just

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Speaker 1: Of course he started their week one. You would only

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Speaker 1: always do step up? Right? However, if we're a little

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Speaker 1: as a quote unquote running quarterback, I would have outside

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Speaker 1: That's why I was so surprised by our twelve personnel.

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Speaker 1: like he was with Zach Martin last week, still very hopeful.

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Speaker 1: you know, I think Zach, that was a pretty accelerated

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to get back. Unfortunately. However, he's back this week,

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Speaker 1: which shows that he really didn't have a whole ton

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Speaker 1: of struggle last week either outside of Randy Gregory. How

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Speaker 1: do we feel about the edge rusher spot after last week?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Doren's Armstrong made a play, Randy gregor excuse me,

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Speaker 1: but they were bringing the pressure. You know. I love

426
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Speaker 1: it and I hate it. I love it because you

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Speaker 1: pay your quarterback what you're given, what you're given, and

428
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Speaker 1: you want him to have that control. Again, all quarterbacks

429
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Speaker 1: in the league have it. I also think that for

430
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Speaker 1: a for defense that needs as much help as they

431
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Speaker 1: can get, I think that part of it the rhythm

432
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Speaker 1: of football. I think that throws your game plan off

433
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Speaker 1: because you're putting your defense out there a lot more

434
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Speaker 1: than you want to with three announced and what it

435
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Speaker 1: takes when you just throw the ball three times or

436
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Speaker 1: what have you. So look, all of this works handing glove,

437
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Speaker 1: and I don't know throughout the course of a football season.

438
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Speaker 1: Will this come back to bite us if we're gonna

439
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Speaker 1: do this, if this is who we are, you know,

440
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Speaker 1: or if we're just gonna say, look, Tampa was Tampa

441
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Speaker 1: and we won't have to go up against those type

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Speaker 1: of three or four looks because look, the charges are

443
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Speaker 1: the same way as far as their look and they

444
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Speaker 1: have a lot of dogs in their secondary and obviously Bosa,

445
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Speaker 1: so they will show those same kinds of looks. Will

446
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Speaker 1: Dad do the same thing in the game versus charges.

447
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Speaker 1: People need to also understand that as a defensive coordinator,

448
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Speaker 1: you can declare what the offense is allowed to do.

449
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Speaker 1: If you come up and you put seven or eight

450
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Speaker 1: guys in a box and you kind of have an

451
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Speaker 1: idea of where they're where they typically do out of

452
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Speaker 1: certain formations and different personnail groups. Maybe they wanted to

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Speaker 1: take Zeke out the game. Maybe that was Tampa's approach.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Tampa was like, yeah, you guys just aren't going

455
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Speaker 1: to run a ball against us, and we've seen that

456
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Speaker 1: over the years against Zeek. Yeah, so yes, So maybe

457
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Speaker 1: they felt better about their chances in the board with

458
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Speaker 1: the ball would dame off ankle with Dak you know,

459
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: all the shoulder issues through camp. They were like, we'll

460
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Speaker 1: roll the dice, and what does make Dack throw the

461
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Speaker 1: ball because there's a greater percentage there's a greater chance

462
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Speaker 1: that we'll get an interception through the air than we

463
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Speaker 1: would get a fumble with Zeke running the ball. Maybe

464
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Speaker 1: that's what their approach was and they took it away

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Speaker 1: from us. You know, I go back to what I

466
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Speaker 1: said Monday, like those loaded boxes, Like like you said,

467
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Speaker 1: we've seen those over the years, and they had a

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Speaker 1: different guys up front blocking for Zeke in the middle.

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Speaker 1: You know, they had Travis Frederick, Zach Martin usually is

470
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Speaker 1: in there and they don't care. They'd run it anyway,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't do that in this game. And I

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Speaker 1: think they I think they saw the matchups. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's as good a Rundy, that's the best run defense

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Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah, and when there's eight in the

475
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Speaker 1: box and you like your chances on the outside, especially

476
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Speaker 1: when Murphy Bunting goes out on the outside for them

477
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Speaker 1: at corner and you have the receivers you have, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I understand why they did what they did. What I

479
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: was a little surprised was we heard all offseason how

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Speaker 1: great Zeke looked, and we and he did look good.

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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't get that touchdown where Jarwin misses

482
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Speaker 1: the block and maybe he could have shook him, but

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it was mainly the block there.

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Speaker 1: He looked really good. Could you got him involved some

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Speaker 1: other way? Could? I mean we talked about how some

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Speaker 1: of the short passing game functioned as a sort of

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Speaker 1: the running game. Could you know this. Zeke's had seventy

488
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Speaker 1: seven catches in a season in his career. Could you

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Speaker 1: kind of get him going a little bit that way?

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Speaker 1: That was my only thing, and that's that's my tiff

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Speaker 1: with it as well, because the reason, let's be real,

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Speaker 1: let's be real. I hope, I hope people don't really

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Speaker 1: have an expectation that Tyler Biads and that freaking Connor

494
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Speaker 1: Williams we're gonna move Vita Vea and a Dominican sue

495
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Speaker 1: off the ball. It's not gonna happen. If that's what

496
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Speaker 1: you guys were expecting, then then you have false hope

497
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Speaker 1: because that's not that's not reality. You're living in rainbow

498
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Speaker 1: land right now. Okay, that's fiction land. So let's not

499
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Speaker 1: think that that was gonna be the case. So the

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Speaker 1: reality is anything that happens behind those guys easily takes

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Speaker 1: us out of a run play. Right. If those guys

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Speaker 1: shift the linebackers over one direction, we gotta check out

503
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Speaker 1: of this running because we don't have the leverage. Right,

504
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: we know we can't move those two jokers off the ball,

505
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Speaker 1: so we can't get up to the second level. If

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Speaker 1: we can't get up to the second level, then these

507
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: linebackers that they had in Tampaka roam free, and we

508
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Speaker 1: know them boys could run and hit two. So that's

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Speaker 1: the reality. It sounds like starting to really look like

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Speaker 1: they didn't they wanted to take Zeke out the game.

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Speaker 1: But now that falls on whose shoulders Kellen Moore. We

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Speaker 1: can't run the ball kill The more you knew that

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Speaker 1: coming into the game. It's not like you just found

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Speaker 1: that out when you got there. They had them two

515
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Speaker 1: dogs on the roster before you showed up to the field.

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Speaker 1: So now how do you get Zeke and ball? That's

517
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Speaker 1: when you started having to say, we paid you a

518
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Speaker 1: lot of money killing more right, we believe in you,

519
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Speaker 1: We re upped you. Be creative and get our one

520
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Speaker 1: of our best playmakers on his team the ball. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a great point because if you're one dimensional

522
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Speaker 1: in week one, you can get away with it. You

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Speaker 1: can be okay, you can throw at fifty eight times

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Speaker 1: and run at fourteen times or whatever the total ended

525
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Speaker 1: up being and be fine. However, going through the rest

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Speaker 1: of the sixteen games this year, you can't be one dimensional.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to figure out how to run the

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Speaker 1: football even against stuff competition, much like you saw with

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Now, I don't think we're gonna see a

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay talented front the rest of the year. Washington, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fair, but that's after Thanksgiving. Well, I mean you've

532
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Speaker 1: got a little bit of time to look at that once. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 1: four weeks, so, yeah, you're right, we will see that front.

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Speaker 1: But outside of them, it's probably nowhere close to what

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay brought to the table. You got to find

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Speaker 1: a way to run the football. As we continue this conversation, though,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to open up the phone lines. Let's get

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Speaker 1: some fan calls in here. Eight eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: five two to nine seven. Once again, it's eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight five five two two nine seven. Give us a

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Speaker 1: call and we'll answer some of your questions live here

542
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Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. And as we continue this going up

543
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Speaker 1: against the Chargers, we're gonna preview the Chargers defense on Thursday.

544
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Speaker 1: We've got some time to kind of dive in on

545
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Speaker 1: them a little bit later on. But in your early studies,

546
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Speaker 1: what are you looking at to take advantage of this week?

547
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: What are you looking Is it their secondary that's susceptible,

548
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: is it their front seven? What are we looking at

549
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: from an offensive standpoint to take advantage of? I mean,

550
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna sound old school after we just talked

551
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Speaker 1: about how Kelly Moore is not, you know, wants to

552
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Speaker 1: throw the ball and not run his you know, Zeke's

553
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: head up against the wall, trying to get the running

554
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Speaker 1: game established. I just feel as though you have to

555
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Speaker 1: at a certain point. I think it helps your young defense,

556
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: uh to get in rhythm when you have a running

557
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: game that can continuously take that take time off of

558
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: the clock. It's field position and ball control. Those are

559
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: the certain things that win you games, uh in the NFL.

560
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: And obviously, if we're going to be committed to throwing

561
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Speaker 1: the ball that we we are or are shown in

562
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: the first game, then we're gonna have some lopsided games

563
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Speaker 1: like this like we saw last year, where you're you're

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Speaker 1: throwing for a lot of yards, but you're still losing

565
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Speaker 1: the game. And that's just because you're not even with

566
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Speaker 1: time of possession, it's just not allowing you. It's just

567
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: not going to allow you the room for error that

568
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: you would have if you still ran the ball. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just that's just football, one on one. Yeah, I

570
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: think we need to approach this game with that mentality.

571
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: We need to get this thing going on the ground,

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00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: and I think that we can. I think Washington average

573
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: about five yards per carry against those guys, so obviously

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00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: they have they have a dog running back. But guess

575
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: what we do too, So we need to get him going.

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00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: I think I think it's very important to get Zeke's

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Speaker 1: confidence back coming off of last year. Not to say

578
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: that he lost a lot of it, right, but when

579
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Speaker 1: you have a guy of that caliber, you need him

580
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Speaker 1: to know that I'm supported. You need him to know that, Hey,

581
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: coming off of a year that's not up to my standards,

582
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: I need to know that you guys still are riding

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Speaker 1: with me, right, And I did my part last week

584
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: and blocking, and you know, and when I had opportunity

585
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: to run, I did what I could with what I had.

586
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: I need y'all to feed me this week because I

587
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: need I need that confidence going into this season. And

588
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: you guys, the rest of my teammates need that confidence

589
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: so that my office a line blocks a little bit harder,

590
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: so that my receivers put their head in there and

591
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: go finish blocks a jar win. Right. Guys like that

592
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: plays like that, they need to know that this guy's

593
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna bust his butt they need to know that he's

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Speaker 1: capable of breaking loose again. They need to be reminded

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Speaker 1: of the o Zeke. He needs to be reminded of

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Speaker 1: o Zeke. And if they do that, then I think

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00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a heck of a year on the ground.

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Speaker 1: I agree. That was my only thing going back to

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Speaker 1: this game, because Kellen More could argue like we were

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Speaker 1: one dimensional and we had to lead with a minute

601
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and a half the great point, you know, So that's

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Speaker 1: that's the argument. Even though he did say I mean

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00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: he was ready for that question. I mean he called

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00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: more runs than we thought he did, you know. But

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Speaker 1: that being said, I agree. I think you've got to

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Speaker 1: give get Zeke going a little bit and he'll do

607
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: whatever the team needs him to do. That's proven over

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Speaker 1: the last few years. But I think coming off of

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00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: last year, how he's looked in preseason, give him some opportunities.

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Speaker 1: But I do wonder and with Zack Martin being back

611
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Speaker 1: over I think there was an ESPN stat over the

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00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: course of Zach's career they're average in like five yards

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Speaker 1: to carry with him in the lineup, So having him

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Speaker 1: back at right guard will certainly help. But you know,

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens, but I think they they need

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Speaker 1: to get a little bit more balance going over the

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Speaker 1: course of the Yeah, but I wonder Tony Pollard. They

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Speaker 1: want to use Tony Pollard this season. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: talked about how zeke you want him fresh for December

620
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Speaker 1: and hopefully January. Mike said that during training camp, So

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Speaker 1: we're going to see more Tony too. No. I love

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Speaker 1: what you said. And we talked about Tony Pollard at

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Speaker 1: LINT about what his impact can be for the Cowboys,

624
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Speaker 1: and I think with Michael Gallup being out, I think

625
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Speaker 1: that also gives you an opportunity to see Tony Pollard

626
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Speaker 1: in that position because we saw it all throughout Old

627
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Speaker 1: Ta's We saw it through training camp, and so he's

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Speaker 1: he you know, look man, he moonlights at receiver as well.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to see what the game plan

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Speaker 1: is gonna be for twenty. I like that because if

631
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Speaker 1: you can throw him out wide and then have that

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00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: extra element of maybe having him in motion and doing

633
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things, it really opens up your

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Speaker 1: offense and the Cowboys could take advantage. Let me say

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Speaker 1: this also for our offensive line, aven you've seen that

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Speaker 1: any offensive line. When your big guys are firing off

637
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: and that running game is going, it just builds that

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Speaker 1: confidence for them. And I think our offensive I need

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Johnny in El Paso. Johnny, how's it going?

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Speaker 1: Doing good in yourself? Guys? Doing all right? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind? One morning? So I wanted to

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Speaker 1: is another good receiving core. Do we see them throwing

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Speaker 1: But I mean, let's be honest. Is his lease gonna

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Speaker 1: leash gonna be a little shorter this week? Especially coming

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Speaker 1: up against that receiving corps. Fantastic question, Johnny, Heck, I'll

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Speaker 1: let you take first crapech Don't don't make no, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna do it. You know you guys are expecting. Look,

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Speaker 1: to have safety help over the top. Yes, yep, and

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Speaker 1: that may have mitigated your fifty five yard touchdown. So

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just coverage error. So not on him

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Speaker 1: on the safety, but that But what about going into

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Speaker 1: this week? Does that change your mind about Anthony Brown? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do? You go with Trey

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Speaker 1: Von Diggs versus Keenan Alan and you leave him Anthony

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Speaker 1: Brown with Mike Williams? Is that gonna put you? Are

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Speaker 1: you gonna go zone in this situation? Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: stay man like you did last week? I mean, these

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Speaker 1: are phenomenal things that you have to ask yourself going

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Speaker 1: into this game, Kyle. But number thirty is your cornerback,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna go with him, and look, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: trust him. And hey, I said, what what? What? What

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Speaker 1: else can can I say? If? If? If it is

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Speaker 1: absurd to think that Nation Wright could could wouldn't beat

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, worser, it's not a word, but you would,

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Speaker 1: you would definitely. I mean, look, I'm of the that

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Speaker 1: there and let him prove his worth to you. Um,

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Speaker 1: I have other proof that rookies can do it. Cameron Danceler,

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Speaker 1: third round pick, Mississippi State. But yeah, I mean there

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Speaker 1: there are there are things that can prove that if

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Speaker 1: you put your rookie out there. Not to say that

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Speaker 1: Danceler is a none of that, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you know where this guy is gonna be. You have

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Speaker 1: a future with your cornerback. Two interceptions that would be

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Speaker 1: more than what you got right now in your cornerback group.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, I'm throwing the rickie into the fire. I

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Speaker 1: why what Wait a minute? What? Yeah? What you all sweet? No?

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Speaker 1: You know no, No, listen, listen to my point. Heck,

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Speaker 1: listen to my point. You convinced him. Listen to my point.

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Speaker 1: You know why? You know why because I watched the game. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I watched the Charges game, and I watched this their

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Speaker 1: number two Mike Mike william Mike Williams six four twenty

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Speaker 1: I mean it's big on big, big on, big, big big, Hey,

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Speaker 1: same height. Yeah, so put him up there, put them

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Speaker 1: up there, and put the safety help over the top. Huhne.

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Speaker 1: Let me even if you think about this, because even

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Speaker 1: completion with with with the accuracy of Herbert, still a completion.

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Speaker 1: You know why he's throwing it up top. He's throwing

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Speaker 1: it up high. Mike William's gonna go up there and

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Speaker 1: go go gadget. He's gonna catch that thing. So even

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Speaker 1: if a Brown sticks great, defense is still a mismatch,

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Speaker 1: just like the back shoulder throw the god Win. You

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Speaker 1: You can't stop that play. Guess what else you can't

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Speaker 1: stop If you're the same size as a Brown and

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Speaker 1: you got you're gonna get somebody six four it. Even

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Speaker 1: if you're in this hit pocket, if he throws it

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Speaker 1: up high, I guess what, he's seven feet can't stop it.

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Speaker 1: So you have to match big. What we just talk

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Speaker 1: about the other day yesterday, he gonna match your personnel right,

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Speaker 1: based upon the skill sets of what he's going against. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have Nash right, who's six four in two or

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Speaker 1: two hundred plus pounds. You're going against the six four

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Speaker 1: number two. Put him out there. Diggs would handle handle

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Speaker 1: uh handle keenan Allen clip, clippit, shake it before your bag,

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Speaker 1: shake it before you bake it. But we just talked

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Speaker 1: about yesterday putting guys in position to be successful. Putting

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Speaker 1: a Brown against Williams is not putting him in a

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Speaker 1: position to be successful. I'm sorry now if it happens

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Speaker 1: or he's in the game and he goes against something cool,

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Speaker 1: but matching him up against him not a good idea

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Speaker 1: because even if you play amazing defense, he still has

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Speaker 1: an advantage. Just like Calvin Johnson back in the day,

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Speaker 1: you guys played really good defense agains Calvin Johnson MC.

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Speaker 1: That's what that boy got a gold jacket because I'm

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Speaker 1: bigger than you. Right, we don't need that to happen.

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Speaker 1: So let's put our dog on Ricky out there, who

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Speaker 1: matches up against him attribute wise, and say let's see

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Speaker 1: what you got. Only four corners saw snaps against Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Trayvon Dicks, Jordan Lewis, Murice Kennedy, Anthony Brown, Anthony Brown,

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Speaker 1: had sixty five snaps. That was tied with Trayvon Digs,

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Speaker 1: which is all sixty five snaps on defense. Maurice Kennedy

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Speaker 1: do you see him mixing in a little bit more?

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Speaker 1: This is a slot wide receiver kind of revolving door

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Speaker 1: for the Chargers. They've got Jalen Guyton Allen product linked

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Speaker 1: have kJ Hill out of Ohio State who was one

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Speaker 1: of the one of my favorites later in the draft

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Speaker 1: last year, Speedster. So you've got two guys in the

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Speaker 1: slot that they'll kind of rotate back and forth. Do

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Speaker 1: you see the Cowboys doing the same thing defensively and

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Speaker 1: maybe evening out the snap counts a little bit with

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis and Maurice Kennedy. That's a great question. I

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Speaker 1: could see it if things go the way they went

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Speaker 1: early in the game week one. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're just gonna sit there and let the same

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Speaker 1: issues happen. I could see the game starting the way

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Speaker 1: it did in Week one and then adjust if you

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Speaker 1: need to. And I mean I love Isaiah's point on

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Speaker 1: a change, it would probably be Maurice Kennedy first. But

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Speaker 1: I get your point about the size issue. So see

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Speaker 1: what they do. They're gonna be tested because Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 1: I think he threw twenty seven passes in the first

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Speaker 1: half right against Washington. They have a great young quarterback.

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Speaker 1: That's their strength. They're gonna go after it. So how

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Speaker 1: do the Cowboys respond? And I think it's a great question.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, you've got to be prepared to

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Speaker 1: adjust if things don't go your way. And you also

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Speaker 1: have to have a defensive front that gets pressure on Herbert.

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Speaker 1: And that's gonna make guys like Anthony Brown look that

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Speaker 1: much better if you're able to rush those throws from Herbert.

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Speaker 1: And so all of this again, I want to see

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. If Michael Parsons can have more of an

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Speaker 1: taken advantage of in secondary. Justin Herbert, is he the

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Speaker 1: best quarterback the Cowboys are gonna face from here until

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Speaker 1: almost Halloween. No, who's on Halloween. Yeah, Halloween is Kirk Cousins, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would even throw probably justin Herbert above that.

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Speaker 1: It's just the youth thing for me. I mean, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts next week. Then you've got Sam Darnold week four,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones week five, Matt Jones week six, and then

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is on our I answered your question before

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Speaker 1: you actually said Halloween. So am I bad? So is it? Yes? Yes? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, And then it's Drew Locke, Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I mean Matt Ryan, and then Patrick Mahomes those two

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Speaker 1: to be, but I mean this is the best quarterback

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see for good a good amount of times,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. So watch out for Jalen Hurts in week four.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, what did you think about him? By the way,

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Speaker 1: and the NFC's the only team to get a win

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Speaker 1: this past week was Philadelphia. What did you think about that?

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Speaker 1: I thought he looked I thought he looked great as

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Speaker 1: a rookie. I know he had some tough moments, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he would be forced to kind of throw from

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Speaker 1: the pocket, but he's a young player. And like what

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Speaker 1: he can do to extend drives. He just gets more

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Speaker 1: time in the system. I think he's gonna wind up

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Speaker 1: being their franchise quarterback. I really do think they put

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Speaker 1: their chips in the right boat. Yeah, right side of

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Speaker 1: the table. I do. That's a tough decision, but I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you just never know, and you've

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Speaker 1: got to have it's it's a delicate thing. You gotta

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Speaker 1: have the right guys around your young quarterback. But I

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Speaker 1: think he's on the right track for sure. Both Jalen

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Speaker 1: Rager and DeVante Smith had a touchdown catch as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it really makes my stomach turn just seeing him get

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Speaker 1: that confidence that he got versus in Atlanta squad that

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna think is any good. But again,

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Speaker 1: it's young quarterbacks getting confidential and that's just gonna premiate.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna go throughout the rest of the season for him.

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Speaker 1: I loved him in Alabama, I love him in ou

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Speaker 1: and I hated that he got drafted by the buoy Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I don't like him anymore now, so you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't wish him well, but it's gonna be a challenge.

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Speaker 1: He's the second best starting quarterback in the division right now,

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Speaker 1: I would agree right now because rains Patrick got hurt,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Danny Dimes, Gombell had another fumble. Yeah, can't hold

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Speaker 1: on the ball? Can And now with the with the

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Speaker 1: injury in Washington, that sets them back for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: With Heineken, I just don't think he can get it done. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean the NFC's is still ours. Did you see

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Speaker 1: RG three tweeting or tweeting the picture or he posted

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Speaker 1: the Instagram picture? Was RG three and it said make

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Speaker 1: the call and it was him running out of the

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Speaker 1: tunnel in Washington. Stop it really that? Now another sewers

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Speaker 1: league just happening at this stadium? You see that too?

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Speaker 1: That was so nasty. Can I run out one piece

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Speaker 1: of more news before we get out? Yeah? Did you

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Speaker 1: guys talk about kicker at all? Oh? No, we did not.

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Speaker 1: Just real quick, Jerry on the fan talked about how

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Speaker 1: you know the reports that they're bringing in Lirium Hi

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Speaker 1: lah who to the practice squad for depth? But Jerry

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Speaker 1: mentioned something new. He said that not only was Zerline

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Speaker 1: coming back from the back surgery in preseason, he had

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a quad issue um leading up

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Speaker 1: to the to the season Hua when he first got here,

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Speaker 1: and then and then the back and now what did

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Speaker 1: you just quad? Father time, there's something to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on going forward. Lerium Hira Lah who on the

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Speaker 1: practice squad and all the time has never failed, gets

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Speaker 1: us all, gets everybody, got everybody self with Tom Brady, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about him anymore than theer.

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Speaker 1: We'll see him in the end game, little figure. We'll

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Speaker 1: figure him out later. Nobody's ever figured Tom Brady out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, good look at that one.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: the last forty five minutes. When we come back tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: it's time to preview that Chargers offense. I know we

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about Justin Herbert and those receivers today,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about it tomorrow and that offensive line.

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Speaker 1: What did the Cowboys do to match up with this

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Speaker 1: Chargers team? And then Thursday we preview the Chargers defense

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Speaker 1: for Chris Beam in the back, het Ma Harrison, Isaiah Stanback,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We'll see you next time

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