Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: And speaking of musical talents, our two guests today host
Speaker 2: a wonderful podcast about another musical powerhouse one, Bruce the
Speaker 2: Boss Springsteen, New Jersey's very own. I know very little
Speaker 2: about Bruce Springsteen aside from what I get just sort
Speaker 2: of ambiently from being an American, But after listening to
Speaker 2: their podcast, I'm starting to understand things a little bit
Speaker 2: better better, at least from a completely new perspective, which
Speaker 2: I really enjoy. They are the hosts of the podcast
Speaker 2: because the Boss belongs to us. Asking the question, look,
Speaker 2: is Bruce Springsteen actually one of the greatest queer icons?
Speaker 2: Then they have a very emphatic answer to that question.
Speaker 2: Please welcome to the microphone, Please live in to the microphone,
Speaker 2: Jesse Lawson and Holly Cassio.
Speaker 3: Much for.
Speaker 2: To have you, oh of course, and we do want
Speaker 2: to acknowledge Jesse you are currently both of our guests
Speaker 2: are coming live from the UK right now. But Jesse,
Speaker 2: you do live near a main road and ambulance station,
Speaker 2: so if there is some ambience, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm a radio producer. That is my job, and I
Speaker 3: have the West House for requiting it.
Speaker 4: It sounds like you're just in the middle of the street,
Speaker 4: right right, We love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, is that one of those zoom
Speaker 2: backgrounds where it looks like they're in a house and
Speaker 2: they may just be sort of sitting like on the
Speaker 2: high road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sitting outside.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you. Uh, Like I said
Speaker 2: at the top, like I I don't know anything about
Speaker 2: Ruce Springsteen. A lot of people like you'd like him. Man,
Speaker 2: he's from New Jersey, from the valley out here, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I respect that, I guess, But tell
Speaker 2: us a little bit about your podcast because I also
Speaker 2: love that, you know, as sort of in the description
Speaker 2: of your show too, you also asked the question why
Speaker 2: you the host transactivist, abolitionist, DIY punk, drag king, working
Speaker 2: class weirdos. What are y'all doing? Idolizing assist straight rich
Speaker 2: white man.
Speaker 4: Well done forgetting that out in one take, because we
Speaker 4: can never do that in one straight text.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm good. I'm good as a professional dude. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can tell.
Speaker 3: You can tell.
Speaker 4: I think you are actually our target audience because I
Speaker 4: think we talk a lot about Bruce Sprinksy and we
Speaker 4: get very very nerdy about it, and we forget that
Speaker 4: actually other people outside of yeah the myth of Bruce
Speaker 4: sprinks and a lot of people don't know about him
Speaker 4: and like who he really is, including us. We're kind
Speaker 4: of making up as we go along, but we do
Speaker 4: a lot of very big, deep dives into who we
Speaker 4: think he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would say like that was my experience.
Speaker 3: I think one of the So I got into Bruce
Speaker 3: Springsteen when I was in my early twenties, and before
Speaker 3: that point I hadn't thought that much about him because
Speaker 3: he is, like, you know, one of his album covers
Speaker 3: has the American flag, right, everyone says that he's the
Speaker 3: same as bon Jovi, Like I just like I was like, well,
Speaker 3: this isn't for me. And then I had the kind
Speaker 3: of like classic experience that lots of people we talked
Speaker 3: on the show had where I just listened to one
Speaker 3: song and was like it's about gender, and then I
Speaker 3: became obsessed with him. So yeah, I think like that's
Speaker 3: something we talk about a lot on the show. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a real Bruce who lives in New Jersey, and
Speaker 3: there's a Bruce that we've projected all of our thoughts
Speaker 3: and feelings onto.
Speaker 4: And it's really weird because sometimes you think, like I'm
Speaker 4: getting all this queer stuff from Bruce, what on earth
Speaker 4: are other people getting? Like you look around were like
Speaker 4: I love America, Ali Bruce Brigstey and it's like, what
Speaker 4: version of briefs are you listening to?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think most Americans things go over our
Speaker 2: heads anyway. And people were like, huh so the song
Speaker 2: la so I had some depth to the lyrics that
Speaker 2: I wasn't picking up on. I thought it was a
Speaker 2: really bad guy working in a steel town.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're really under estimating how stupid we
Speaker 5: are as the country. We saw American flag and said,
Speaker 5: God love America, and then we were like, yeah, America
Speaker 5: is good, he loves it.
Speaker 2: The lyric sheets Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: That did like, yeah, that literally happened, isn't it. Because
Speaker 3: Trump passed Bruce Springsteen to play his inauguration, Yeah, which
Speaker 3: is about like workers rights and unionization.
Speaker 5: Right, We've only sent worse too, because like now you
Speaker 5: have like every other day, uh, Tom Morello will tweet
Speaker 5: something and they'll be like ten conservative reply guys like
Speaker 5: oh I missed when rage wasn't woke, And it's like,
Speaker 5: how completely inept a media criticism do you have to
Speaker 5: be to think they were like your ears work?
Speaker 2: Right? Have you just heard down rowdale a brownskin man
Speaker 2: says their grandparents buy one. It's so great? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: well yeah no. The other thing too, is like just
Speaker 2: it was fun hearing you both like discover Suddenly it's like, wait,
Speaker 2: am I the only Boss fan? You're like, no, this
Speaker 2: is like this is truly like a shared experience, and
Speaker 2: like I'm I'm guessing. Like anything, it's always fun to
Speaker 2: kind of begin to find your community sort of like
Speaker 2: in this niche way too. It must be just only
Speaker 2: like sort of furthers your love for the Boss.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we we are legion. I think that's what
Speaker 4: we discovered that the podcast is there are so many
Speaker 4: of us out there, and I think secretly we've done
Speaker 4: this just to make more friends because everyone we talk
Speaker 4: to there's just so many queer fans out there that
Speaker 4: hear his lyrics or see him and don't know whether
Speaker 4: they actually want to be him or whether they want
Speaker 4: to make out with him.
Speaker 3: They're not quite sure.
Speaker 4: There's so many of us, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: To be clear.
Speaker 5: The reason anyone starts a podcast is to make friends.
Speaker 5: That's just letting you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are best friends right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Like I'm coming to I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask to crash at your places when I'm in the
Speaker 2: UK next time. This is how friends to me from
Speaker 2: the podcast about fifteen months ago. If you remember, I
Speaker 2: hear and I have Nando's, I'm willing to share, you know,
Speaker 2: we'll get the meal deal at Tesco whatever whatever. You know.
Speaker 3: On the noisy, busy street that I live on, there
Speaker 3: is Nandos, so.
Speaker 2: Oh perfect, Well call me, you know, Perry, mister Perry Perry.
Speaker 2: The thing. I also got to add, what's like in
Speaker 2: your opinion? What's like Spruceting's Spruce Spruce Stings? Yeah? What
Speaker 2: Springsteen's like most based song that you like? Man, people
Speaker 2: need to fucking actually listen to this track, like to
Speaker 2: really just to kind of blow up in your mind
Speaker 2: about who Bruce Springsteen is.
Speaker 3: Great question?
Speaker 4: So many I mean, the born in the USA is
Speaker 4: like the really obvious one that everyone's kind of aware of, the.
Speaker 5: One that's about loving the USA right absolutely, yeah unions, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just sucking that flag. But like he, I think the
Speaker 4: song we talked about a lot on the show is
Speaker 4: Dancing in the Dark, which sounds like it's just pop banger,
Speaker 4: Like it's just a hop pit everyone knows, and it's
Speaker 4: just a song about bleak depression and isolation and darkness
Speaker 4: and queerness if you want to hear it. But it's
Speaker 4: just such an unbelievably sad, deep song that goes on
Speaker 4: miss because it's just such a pop banger.
Speaker 2: I always thought there was a song about how to
Speaker 2: start a fire. It's like, I can't start a fire
Speaker 2: with Park. Is that what you're doing? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah and so yeah, So I figured it was just
Speaker 5: like teach America how to make more fires.
Speaker 2: We have that fire in your heart. They're called gender reveals,
Speaker 2: and we do them in dry areas to start wildfires.
Speaker 3: It's I saw one of them in real life the
Speaker 3: other day, which I thought it was just an American thing.
Speaker 3: I go swimming with a bunch of all of us
Speaker 3: are trans who go swimming together, and we were walking
Speaker 3: down the beach and there was a legitimate gender reveal party,
Speaker 3: and and when they revealed they were like, it's a boy,
Speaker 3: and we were like for nowa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep telling them that what is something from your
Speaker 2: search history that's revealing about who you are, what you're into.
Speaker 6: Let's go take a look. Okay, Coming Up Roses lyrics
Speaker 6: so Elliott Smith again. Wow, and then effective Internet on
Speaker 6: early on GDP in early nineties.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that tells you everything. I'm sorry. The effect on
Speaker 2: GDP of the early Internet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the effect of Internet on GDP in early nineties. Okay,
Speaker 6: someone posted in the Internet in the early days. It
Speaker 6: doesn't Actually, it also didn't affect anything, and it absolutely did.
Speaker 6: Like this, we'll get onto the Goldman Sacks report, but like, yeah,
Speaker 6: they like none of this compares to the early Internet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just sorry. I know the song Coming Up Rose,
Speaker 2: But as I look at the lyrics of Coming Up
Speaker 2: Roses Byley Smith, I'm a junk yard full of false starts,
Speaker 2: and I don't need your permission to bury my love
Speaker 2: under this bare light bulb. The moon is a sickle cell.
Speaker 2: It'll kill you in time. Your old white brother will
Speaker 2: ride in your blood like spun glass and soure eyes.
Speaker 2: This is so uh good.
Speaker 6: White Brother thats Elliot Smith. He was a big rap fan.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah he was.
Speaker 8: He was doing him and he had him a l
Speaker 8: cool J at the time. We're trading distracts.
Speaker 2: So that, oh my god, White Kendrick, that would could
Speaker 2: you imagine? Yeah, it doesn't even make sense, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm sure people would take that to like
Speaker 2: in a way. Yes, I agree, Andrew. What's something you
Speaker 2: think is underrated?
Speaker 9: Underrated? Gross recipes that are way too much work?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I did.
Speaker 9: I had been saving. So so let's see about like
Speaker 9: a fucking year ago. We got my friend for her
Speaker 9: like as a kind of like a wedding bachelorette gift,
Speaker 9: a harmon barraco from Spain, which I don't remember the
Speaker 9: exact bill, but it was closer to three figure or
Speaker 9: closer to four figures.
Speaker 2: Than three My god, it was.
Speaker 9: It was a very expensive hawk And because I'm like,
Speaker 9: I guess, because I just like like, I kind of
Speaker 9: was like, I guess I'm cheap. Ultimately, because as we
Speaker 9: were carving up this harmone, you know, there's all the
Speaker 9: fat on the rind, and I was just like a
Speaker 9: maniac like saving all these pieces of harmone rhynde. Yeah,
Speaker 9: because I was like, this shit was like I don't
Speaker 9: even know, like probably like forty dollars a pound. This
Speaker 9: fat is like one of the most expensive substances I've
Speaker 9: ever had in my life. So I saved all of it,
Speaker 9: and that it's been in my freezer for way too long,
Speaker 9: I guess, you know, fat connoisseurs, let me know how
Speaker 9: I fucked up. But I was having a day where
Speaker 9: I like really really did not want to do anymore writing,
Speaker 9: and you guys hadn't called me to get on the podcast,
Speaker 9: so instead and.
Speaker 2: I had to do something.
Speaker 9: Yeah, what I what I did was over approximately like
Speaker 9: six hours, rendered out, rendered out like eight hundred milli
Speaker 9: liters of hormone fat shit, which is crazy. I mean,
Speaker 9: if anyone's had hormone, it's like very very like funky,
Speaker 9: like a little bit like like aged kind of and
Speaker 9: it's it's hormone. Pigs are like raised on acorns only,
Speaker 9: so it has a kind of like nutty flavor. Anyway,
Speaker 9: so I have like way too much fat. So then
Speaker 9: what I did was I got I don't know fucking
Speaker 9: six liders of costco bourbon and I made.
Speaker 2: Oh, fat washed it.
Speaker 9: I fat washed so much Costco.
Speaker 2: You created a ebertical Harmone fat washed bourbon Costco burb. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fine, don't give a shit.
Speaker 9: I mean, well, it's the cheapest and the most expensive.
Speaker 2: Washed with one thousand dollars fat that you buy fat. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you really are having a party.
Speaker 9: It took me forever. Yeah, I mean, come come through.
Speaker 9: I did make burnt pineapple Manhattan's with the Harmone fat
Speaker 9: washerst Oh shit, that was great.
Speaker 2: All right, So everybody, we'll send out Andrews address. We're
Speaker 2: all gonna show up. He's gonna feed wash. Let's stop
Speaker 2: this podcast right now.
Speaker 10: You know what, I know, I wish like I wish,
Speaker 10: and I'm saying this as somebody who is a podcaster,
Speaker 10: has hosted, has hosted on this very network. I wish
Speaker 10: we had the balls to just be like you know
Speaker 10: what podcasts over and end the episode.
Speaker 2: Sorry, y'all, life is just more important sometimes than these microphones.
Speaker 9: And then it'll be like, tweet out a picture of
Speaker 9: us drinking, and.
Speaker 10: Tweet up and teet out a picture of us like
Speaker 10: this is what we stopped the podcast for.
Speaker 6: And nobody would be mad or you leave.
Speaker 2: The mics rolling the whole time. We all leave with
Speaker 2: the MIC's rolling. We meet somewhere, and then we all
Speaker 2: come back and then just talk about what happened. And
Speaker 2: it's a seven hour episode. I love y'all. Yeah, sure
Speaker 2: that'll be great for ads. Overrated, Chris, what's some any
Speaker 2: think is overrated? Christopher? I feel like this is.
Speaker 11: I know this is a controversial one because people come
Speaker 11: in with uh, you know, all sorts of overrated takes
Speaker 11: that are that are very uh pop culture, but mine
Speaker 11: is a general one. I think coffee is overrated. Coffee
Speaker 11: as a whole thing. People are lining up and waiting
Speaker 11: for coffee at coffee shops. They're they're making content about
Speaker 11: a cup of bean water. I don't understand it. Coffee
Speaker 11: is is exactly what it should be, but it has
Speaker 11: it has risen up to the level of overrated.
Speaker 2: I feel like coffee is overrated. Are you? I'm guessing,
Speaker 2: just from your personality type, you may not need the
Speaker 2: aid of caffeine to one.
Speaker 11: Hundred percent correct, And that is that's the gentlest way
Speaker 11: of saying, sir, you need to calm down.
Speaker 2: No, not even because I'm the same way like I'm
Speaker 2: caffeine insensitive, and people like, would you drink a bunch
Speaker 2: of coffee? I'm like, dude, I don't even fuck this shit,
Speaker 2: don't even bang unless I drink like like the most
Speaker 2: pure cold brew. Then I start getting up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Or Vietnamese coffee.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I'm the opposite where I like the taste,
Speaker 11: but when I drink it, my like hands start shaking
Speaker 11: because it's.
Speaker 2: Like, we do not need this. Oh shit, yeah we're redlining.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's interesting.
Speaker 12: I love so I love coffee, but to your point,
Speaker 12: I hate the culture around it, if that makes sense,
Speaker 12: where it's more of an addiction and a treat for me.
Speaker 12: And also I guess a boost more than like I
Speaker 12: don't need to have a way these beans roasted or
Speaker 12: like if it tastes good, it tastes good. Does that
Speaker 12: make sense, Like I don't have a friend.
Speaker 2: Of mine started weighing the water, you know, because like
Speaker 2: to make like a perfect pour over, it's like a
Speaker 2: certain amount of grams of water and all this and
Speaker 2: and I get it. Yo, if that's for you, I'm
Speaker 2: glad you have the energy, because I have the energy
Speaker 2: to do all kinds of weird shit. You know, like
Speaker 2: with weed and stuff. They'd be like, why are you
Speaker 2: doing because you've got to get the texture right of
Speaker 2: the blunt or else is not fucking good. Let me
Speaker 2: do my thing. But again, each people, everyone has their
Speaker 2: own thing.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, just a simple cup is fine it in
Speaker 11: general by the Sheryl Crow. You know, if it makes
Speaker 11: you happy, be that bad. But I'm like, this is
Speaker 11: I think we've gone a little far on this one.
Speaker 11: I think we've gone a little far. Is waiting that
Speaker 11: line making you happy? Like I fell into this where
Speaker 11: my wife got me an espresso machine, I think for Christmas, But.
Speaker 2: You also have a wife I do, and we'll be.
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Speaker 12: I just tried to high five Chris from across the
Speaker 12: country and know you're like, I I got this this
Speaker 12: espresso machine, and I liked the espresso, but then I
Speaker 12: started reading going into the espresso reddits and then convincing
Speaker 12: myself that I wasn't good enough for the way I
Speaker 12: was making express So like.
Speaker 2: I just losself Express team whatever you want to call
Speaker 2: that ship, And wait, what do you mean? How did
Speaker 2: you get bummed out from like to walk me through
Speaker 2: what were they what was being said that You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not good enough for this.
Speaker 12: Because they were all like, oh, I measure the bean
Speaker 12: like to what we were just talking about, and measure
Speaker 12: the water the beans. I do it like like the
Speaker 12: the grounds.
Speaker 2: Isn't it like that? Atmospheres too? Like the pressure is
Speaker 2: also a huge thing with espresso. That's a big thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, no, mine, I'm never.
Speaker 12: Gonna fit into this community and I need to buy
Speaker 12: all this ship and uh and then I'm like no,
Speaker 12: I like it. Like to Chris's point, you don't have
Speaker 12: to live the whole life. You can just have something
Speaker 12: you enjoy it privately.
Speaker 2: You're like, that is babe, which espresso machine do we have?
Speaker 2: It's a curing. It's a curing. Okay, okay, so none
Speaker 2: of this stuff applies. Here's what's incredible about about humans,
Speaker 2: do it. We're like so desperate to fit in that
Speaker 2: you're even like I can't fit into the online espresso community.
Speaker 12: Yeah right, yeah, something I did it no existed until
Speaker 12: thirty seconds ago.
Speaker 2: Just punting the espresso machine to the curb and shit,
Speaker 2: I need to make more money.
Speaker 11: It's like, yeah, I do think that if you spend
Speaker 11: more than one hour on an online as reresto community,
Speaker 11: there should be a pop up this as you need
Speaker 11: to make more money, get back to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, uh ah, your income is not high
Speaker 2: enough for this to actually make sense to you. Uh ah,
Speaker 2: because like you see, there was someone I went to
Speaker 2: some like there's some agency and like one of these
Speaker 2: talent agencies and like people talk about like oh man.
Speaker 7: Like they got like one of those insane espresso machines
Speaker 7: from fucking Italy.
Speaker 2: And like you go and it really is like it's
Speaker 2: like the size of like a baby Grand piano and
Speaker 2: like like there's like painted like a fucking Ferrari engine
Speaker 2: and you're like how much. Like it's like it's thirty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars something, Bro, Just give me a fucking vitamin
Speaker 2: water and I'll keep this shit oving. Yeah please, it's
Speaker 2: all status. You're right, Yeah, well, I mean it's not
Speaker 2: that I mean like first, because obviously Italians take their
Speaker 2: shit seriously, but it's just like some things are so
Speaker 2: outside of my grasp or my experience or my interests
Speaker 2: that like when I look at it, I'm like God,
Speaker 2: cool man like I honestly, it's wasted on me because
Speaker 2: I wouldn't fucking know it came out of like a
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars or however many tens of thousand dollar machine.
Speaker 11: Well, there's also like someone there who's the unpaid summer intern,
Speaker 11: who's like, all that I've actually learned on this job
Speaker 11: is how to use the thirty thousand dollars express. Even
Speaker 11: if you actually had just not bought this, you could
Speaker 11: have paid me for my labor this summer.
Speaker 2: That would have been really nice, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: At least, like I could have done Starbucks runs and
Speaker 2: got points in my app for it, but I could
Speaker 2: have netted out for something at the end. Anyway, let's
Speaker 2: take a quick break. We'll be right back and we'll
Speaker 2: get into the news. And we're back, and there you
Speaker 2: may hear the trash guy right now. Matt was saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's any trash banging again. We'd like to have offer
Speaker 2: full transparency when it comes to the sounds that you
Speaker 2: may be hearing as we have the show playing. But anyway,
Speaker 2: the first story I wanted to get to is pretty big.
Speaker 2: It's it's from the quite esteemed journal the landset. They
Speaker 2: just published a study, as I said at the top
Speaker 2: of the show, called counting the Dead in Gaza Difficult
Speaker 2: but Essential, which estimates that the quote true death toll
Speaker 2: could reach more than one hundred and eighty six thousand people.
Speaker 2: That is obviously exponentially more than the thirty eight thousand
Speaker 2: that we hear being quoted most of the time, because
Speaker 2: of course that number doesn't take into account the quote
Speaker 2: thousands of dead buried under rubble and indirect deaths due
Speaker 2: to destruction of health facilities, food distribution systems and other
Speaker 2: public infrastructure. That figure is actually a conservative estimate, as
Speaker 2: the Lancet said, it was calculated using four indirect deaths
Speaker 2: for each direct death. But as they said in this
Speaker 2: journal piece and other other conflicts, indirect deaths range from
Speaker 2: three to fifteen times the number of direct deaths. So
Speaker 2: this is the again, the conservative number, and that would
Speaker 2: amount to almost eight percent of the total population in Gaza.
Speaker 2: Right now as it stands, the CIA director Bill Burns
Speaker 2: is headed to Doha to continue cease fire talks. This
Speaker 2: feels like a headline I've read every other week when
Speaker 2: they're like they're the people are trying to appease everyone
Speaker 2: who's absolutely outraged by the situation, to put it lightly,
Speaker 2: And on Sunday, Hamas said it was waiting to hear
Speaker 2: from Israel on their latest proposal. So I'm not sure
Speaker 2: where this lands. But again, one hundred and eighty six
Speaker 2: thousand is what they are saying is a more realistic
Speaker 2: death toll given all of the infrastructure damage. And again,
Speaker 2: like the way even the media in the United States
Speaker 2: is like, oh wow, buildings are toppled in Gaza, and
Speaker 2: it's like and those are and people are inside of
Speaker 2: people inside of very important information.
Speaker 5: And it makes total sense. I mean, you know, like
Speaker 5: this this count that we've been getting, which is coming
Speaker 5: from the Gaza health ministry, is just based on bodies
Speaker 5: that are identifiable and accounted for that have been directly killed.
Speaker 5: People have been killed by Israeli bombing and gunfire, and
Speaker 5: it makes total sense that of course the indirect deaths
Speaker 5: here is going to be where a big mass of
Speaker 5: the body count is eventually going to be reported. In fact,
Speaker 5: the United Nations just now today released a press release
Speaker 5: that says UN experts declare famine has spread throughout the
Speaker 5: Gaza strip. This is according to the United Nations Human
Speaker 5: Rights Office of the High Commissioner. And so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: like this, this number that keeps getting trodden out, feels
Speaker 5: like it hasn't changed. For a lot of people were like,
Speaker 5: haven't we been saying like thirty five ish thousands since
Speaker 5: like January?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: And yet every day we see more and more videos
Speaker 5: of this destruction and we're stuck on this number, and
Speaker 5: it just you know, for anyone who's been paying attention,
Speaker 5: you just sit there knowing how much worse it acts.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it's people willing to engage with the
Speaker 2: news and not sort of look away like I think
Speaker 2: most people tend to do because it's horrifying. But again,
Speaker 2: this is these are sort of like the stakes I
Speaker 2: think that people have to understand when you look at
Speaker 2: like how a government works and what you wanted to
Speaker 2: do or not do. These are the kinds of things
Speaker 2: that factor into it. And I know, like again, like
Speaker 2: you look at the polling for the support just in
Speaker 2: America for actually having some kind of meaningful ceasefire. It's overwhelming. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And yet again, because we have a military industrial complex
Speaker 2: that needs constant feeding of funds, this is what we get,
Speaker 2: and this is like you know, and I think a
Speaker 2: lot of there's so many. It's not just even in
Speaker 2: like armed conflict. I remember even with Hurricane Maria right
Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico, there there was this amount of deaths
Speaker 2: that the sort of US government was sort of like
Speaker 2: and only like if you like, maybe a couple of
Speaker 2: people died, but when you actually really look at the
Speaker 2: entirety of it, the lack of power and access to
Speaker 2: medical care and like clean water and things, and what
Speaker 2: that actually did for other people, it was much higher.
Speaker 2: And I think people really need to take this into consideration,
Speaker 2: or at least I don't think anyone listening to this
Speaker 2: show is like I'm on the fence about what's happening
Speaker 2: in Caset, But you know this, And I.
Speaker 3: Think what you said about the military industrial complex is
Speaker 3: really important as well, because it's like, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's a tool meaningful for the head of the CIA
Speaker 3: to go and quote unquote cool for a seaspire when
Speaker 3: America is selling that many arms to Israel? Right, do
Speaker 3: you see what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like that it's your money faith factor in that if
Speaker 2: you're like, well, I profit from this Contyeah.
Speaker 5: And he would be clear in saying, oh, I am
Speaker 5: not calling for a seaspire. I'm trying to broker a
Speaker 5: negotiation in which we eventually get the whole permanent seaspire
Speaker 5: taken off the table, and which is kind of where
Speaker 5: it's at right now. Yeah, that is where it's at.
Speaker 5: The latest proposal, the Hamas has actually agreed to take
Speaker 5: out the first demand of a permanent sea spire in
Speaker 5: favor of all the other demands. And it's just like,
Speaker 5: you know, we just keep going around and circles until
Speaker 5: somebody with power in the United States admit, could that
Speaker 5: be Yeah, that Israel is acting in bad faith at
Speaker 5: all times?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really, well that leads us to our predicament here
Speaker 2: with the presidential race. Just just what polls are meaningless,
Speaker 2: but they're they're fun to just talk about because obviously
Speaker 2: they they'd never actually end up the way you hear
Speaker 2: about it. Oh, but it's like fantasy football. Let's have
Speaker 2: a good time. You know, it's a Snapshotow what a
Speaker 2: couple maybe forty five people are thinking that they pulled
Speaker 2: and then extrapolated that to the entire populace. But a
Speaker 2: new poll showed that Biden is trailing Trump, but in
Speaker 2: the same amount. It's forty two to forty three percent,
Speaker 2: but because of the speculation around Biden staying in or
Speaker 2: dropping out, their survey also looked into how other Democratic
Speaker 2: candidates would stack up in the election, including Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 2: Michigan governor Gretchen Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who both came out
Speaker 2: behind Trump. But you know who ran ahead of Trump
Speaker 2: forty two percent to forty one percent was Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: And guess what when you pair Kamala Harris with Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 2: it put Democrats quote in the strongest position beating Trump
Speaker 2: forty three percent to forty percent. I this feels like.
Speaker 13: Such at least fun Yeah, we're gonna lose.
Speaker 5: Let it be funny, That's what I say. Come on,
Speaker 5: oh man, well I mean again.
Speaker 2: Also, this feels like the absolute kind of thing where
Speaker 2: like the Polster class is.
Speaker 7: Like, man, just get something out there that really shows
Speaker 7: like anything. But this could work because we were cheerleading
Speaker 7: it the whole time. But now suddenly we're feeling the
Speaker 7: heat because we were the ones.
Speaker 2: That were keeping this guy here.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I honestly don't know how you're cupping because
Speaker 4: when we had our election, they have like six weeks
Speaker 4: build up to it. But you guys have like a
Speaker 4: whole year of this, don't you.
Speaker 2: Have two years? Yeah, so much, because everything is about
Speaker 2: again generating as much money as possible. If you're allowed
Speaker 2: to campaign so far out, that means everybody from the campaign,
Speaker 2: like strategicy, you know, industry, they start getting their checks,
Speaker 2: the polsters start getting their checks. That's like, that's what
Speaker 2: it's all about. And yeah, I mean, like I wish
Speaker 2: we had like more again, like we've also deemed that
Speaker 2: corporations are people that have a legitimate voice in our election,
Speaker 2: so you know, to do with that what you will. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like you know, other countries have like, you know,
Speaker 2: harder rules, like everyone has the same budget go and
Speaker 2: you have the same amount of time go. But again,
Speaker 2: because we are that's on amritocracy, built on you know,
Speaker 2: the corporate kleptocracy.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's point difficult. Unfortunately, how do you guys
Speaker 5: do it? You guys have one of them parliaments?
Speaker 2: Is that right? I used to do drugs out of
Speaker 2: those yeah yeah yeah, cigarette never mind, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not like the cocaine cigarette.
Speaker 2: No, But yeah, I mean, how how what is like
Speaker 2: sort of the your election season, Like what is yeah?
Speaker 2: How like how quickly does it sort of explode and
Speaker 2: then fade away?
Speaker 4: It's very very quick turn.
Speaker 2: We're slowly getting boiled over here.
Speaker 4: It's like six weeks they announce the election, You've got
Speaker 4: six weeks to prepare. But obviously, the way things have
Speaker 4: been going to everyone's knew that an election was coming
Speaker 4: up anyway, So I thinks have been moving around and
Speaker 4: it's just NonStop debates, waterwell polls, news headlines. But six
Speaker 4: weeks of that feels more bearable than a whole year,
Speaker 4: two year cycle of that that's just non stop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, we have a huge chunk
Speaker 5: of our economy is election money. So you know, true,
Speaker 5: you have to keep into account that if you shorten elections,
Speaker 5: you know what are Pundit's going to do for the
Speaker 5: rest of the four years.
Speaker 2: You know what are they going to talk about sports policy? Now?
Speaker 4: Well, if Biden doesn't win, then you can always start
Speaker 4: a really blanned podcast with Bruce Springsteen when he comes
Speaker 4: out of office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oba together, Yeah right, Oh gosh, that was a
Speaker 2: wild one, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: What did you I like to think that doesn't exist?
Speaker 4: I wiped it for my brain.
Speaker 2: What did you make of that? As Boss fans, I have.
Speaker 3: Not listened to it.
Speaker 2: Can you even bring yourself to listen to well?
Speaker 4: We had to listen to it for research purposes podcast.
Speaker 4: I was looking for a quote and I had to
Speaker 4: say through ten minutes of it and it's the most
Speaker 4: insipid liberal nonsense.
Speaker 3: It's just nothing.
Speaker 4: It's just no one's saying anything on that podcast. No
Speaker 4: one is saying anything.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right? I love Yeah, that's the and that's
Speaker 2: the thing about that. Uh huh.
Speaker 5: And I want to I want to listen to this
Speaker 5: and just tune out. I want to I want to
Speaker 5: listen to it and stare at a blank wall.
Speaker 2: For a while.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, yeah, sleep gently.
Speaker 2: This is like, I think this is what's so wild too,
Speaker 2: because I hear from older people too. They're like, I mean,
Speaker 2: you guys gotta fit, you know, you gotta stay, you
Speaker 2: gotta get in line, you know, and and support like
Speaker 2: this candidate. And there's there's a huge dimension that is
Speaker 2: always missing from the discourse around how younger people look
Speaker 2: at a presidential candidate. These days, we have had like
Speaker 2: back to back to back economic like suplexus that broke
Speaker 2: our fucking souls, and when we look at only increasing inequality,
Speaker 2: we're becoming so much more aware of the prison industrial complex,
Speaker 2: over policing, the mismanagement of funds and where they go
Speaker 2: and who it supports. That everyone is now being like,
Speaker 2: the status quo is fucking violence. Like people don't understand that.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's my default position. The status quo is violence.
Speaker 2: And I know that for a you know, a very
Speaker 2: fortunate few, life is very peaceful and you have no
Speaker 2: existential threats to your personhood or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: for many other people that is not the case, and
Speaker 2: like to not acknowledge that sort of like anger, frustration,
Speaker 2: fear that exists and just be like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: we just got just just to figure it out. Don't
Speaker 2: worry about all these other things you guys are crowing about.
Speaker 2: Just get behind the candidate. It's such a fucking slap
Speaker 2: in the face. And I wish there's a way that, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the at the very again, the
Speaker 2: bare minimum, right could be the Biden campaign being like, look,
Speaker 2: this isn't a great fucking deal here, and we understand
Speaker 2: that a lot of shit can be better. We can
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we can try to do some stuff,
Speaker 2: but trying like it's nothing like that. It's just being
Speaker 2: beat over the head with like, well then you want fascism, No,
Speaker 2: we fucking don't. That's why so many people in their
Speaker 2: communities do what they have to do to fight that off.
Speaker 5: Kind of seems like you guys want fascism, being that
Speaker 5: you are willing to just lose an election to Trump
Speaker 5: because all of you are too afraid to put your
Speaker 5: own careers on the line well and back a different candidate.
Speaker 4: You know, it sounds very so much to what we
Speaker 4: just had in the UK as well. I think everyone was.
Speaker 4: I think the last six weeks have just been feeling
Speaker 4: so guilty that we don't vote Labor then my voting
Speaker 4: in fascism. But right that it's like saying that people say,
Speaker 4: isn't It's like you're voting the lesser of two evils,
Speaker 4: but forgetting you're still voting for evil at the end
Speaker 4: of the day. Like it's not you're not voting with
Speaker 4: herp in your heart, you're not voting with an actual choice.
Speaker 4: You're voting because it's slightly less fascist than the big fascist.
Speaker 4: But when labor on actually offering an alternative or opposition
Speaker 4: then that just allows fascism to grow even more. So
Speaker 4: what is the point in.
Speaker 2: That, right?
Speaker 3: And that's what's so exciting. I know we can talk
Speaker 3: about it more later, but that's what's so exciting about
Speaker 3: the election results in France is that it was like
Speaker 3: a left wing, a genuinely left wing coalition that like
Speaker 3: surpassed the two party system. And that's a really really
Speaker 3: exciting thing that you can actually vote for something that
Speaker 3: you do believe in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the videos of all the right wing French people
Speaker 2: like studying for the returns to come heartwarming, Absolutely ashen faced.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, Yeah, this is what
Speaker 2: I have to hold on to as my country falls apart,
Speaker 2: and so be it. At least I had that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's the thing. We we understand, many
Speaker 2: people understand the stakes. No, I'm not voting for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to ever support him or his or
Speaker 2: his candidacy. But unfortunately, I'm like, well, the only other
Speaker 2: option is this other thing. But I, as a voter,
Speaker 2: feel completely unheard on so many other issues. That's where
Speaker 2: my resentment comes in as a voter, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: you guys fucking wore Kinte Claudes in the Capitol talking
Speaker 2: about you were gonna do something about over policing and
Speaker 2: white supremacy. You've made all these fucking noises about the
Speaker 2: pandemic and people's safety, and then there's like all the
Speaker 2: fucking safety measures got pulled out from under people. You're
Speaker 2: talking about there's so many things on the agenda, and
Speaker 2: I get that there are other things that happen, but
Speaker 2: there are a lot of voters who are like, come
Speaker 2: from these marginalized groups, or people are just looking at
Speaker 2: their own situation and say, the status quo will actually
Speaker 2: be the end of me, Like, if things keep going
Speaker 2: as it is, this will be the end of me.
Speaker 2: So I need to hear something different. And a lot
Speaker 2: of people resent the fact that the only thing they're
Speaker 2: hearing is well, you better get you or you want fascism.
Speaker 2: It's that that's so fucked up, Like you have to
Speaker 2: acknowledge what people are going through. And it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're conceding the election by acknowledging these things, but there
Speaker 2: this is and I think this is a situation where
Speaker 2: I think Americans have become so used to being like, well,
Speaker 2: I have to vote for the Democrat because that as
Speaker 2: a binary, yeah, that's the better decision. But they're also
Speaker 2: for the status quo, which still means death, which means violence,
Speaker 2: which means inequality, and that is like the biggest things
Speaker 2: we're trying to contend with. So anyway things are going
Speaker 2: right over here? How do you just get that off
Speaker 2: my chest? It's just very it's just a difficult time.
Speaker 3: And it's just not a choice, is it, as you say, like,
Speaker 3: that's just not no, that's like, yeah, no one has
Speaker 3: an agency there.
Speaker 2: The other way too, I look at it is like
Speaker 2: to be more involved in local politics and more things
Speaker 2: involved with your community. Guess what that the gains that
Speaker 2: you can make would look easier if the Democrats kept
Speaker 2: the White House versus the Republicans taking the White House,
Speaker 2: and then what that means like just downwardly just in
Speaker 2: terms of an overall policy. But even then it's like
Speaker 2: that's that's the most like some people can like latch
Speaker 2: on just like well, at least it won't be worse.
Speaker 2: And I think that's just such a defeatist like position
Speaker 2: to be trying to to change the country from that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a huge issue it's a huge
Speaker 2: issue and I really wish that the I really wish
Speaker 2: our capitalist overlords would take the ills of capitalism seriously.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe if we ask them nicely, they will, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's like it's a tough one as well, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Like I don't I don't know about the US and
Speaker 3: the UK, there have been some studies that show, like,
Speaker 3: you know, big lobbying organizations and places like that like
Speaker 3: do a lot less under a labor government than under
Speaker 3: a Tory government, even if similar things are happening, because
Speaker 3: there's this like perception that's them are left is like
Speaker 3: safer and better. So it's like a it's a hard
Speaker 3: balance I think with that as well, where you're like, no,
Speaker 3: we actually still need to like really keep mobilizing and yeah,
Speaker 3: taking to the streets and doing all the things that
Speaker 3: we were doing under the tour.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I'm I'm not I think anyone's under the
Speaker 2: impression it's like it's it's gonna be a top down
Speaker 2: solution here. It's like, no, that's why you have to
Speaker 2: pour into things like locally, because that that's your immediate environment.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden doesn't give a fuck about North Hollywood or
Speaker 2: the San Fernanda doesn't give a fuck unless he has
Speaker 2: a fundraser there. But like the people that do, those
Speaker 2: are the people you live with, and those are the
Speaker 2: people that you need to have the bonds with to
Speaker 2: you know, resist any kind of real bullshit, like you know,
Speaker 2: totally like federally organized bullshit that might be in our
Speaker 2: future anyway. So uh, let's move on to flirting. Good exactly?
Speaker 2: You know that, guys? Does we like violent jarring fucking transitions? Baby?
Speaker 2: But anyway, ten Z, look, I'm glad, like millennials, we
Speaker 2: are officially washed and have become the hollowed out husks
Speaker 2: of what was once considered cool. Gen Z now has
Speaker 2: the man, and now y'all are the generation that is.
Speaker 14: Killing an industry or destroying this custom whatever the fuck
Speaker 14: they used to say about us. The latest body that
Speaker 14: gen Z caught now is that they've fucking it's the
Speaker 14: end of flirting. They have killed flirting.
Speaker 2: I really want to read this New York Post opening
Speaker 2: paragraph because the New York Courts Post very conservative, really
Speaker 2: fucking stupid, and this is how they this is like
Speaker 2: their sort of vibe and talking about a gen Z
Speaker 2: killed flirting quote Liking an Instagram story or sliding into
Speaker 2: someone's DMS are ways to express romantic interest in the
Speaker 2: digital age, but technology may actually have made it harder
Speaker 2: for singles trying to score a date. Gen z Ers
Speaker 2: especially struggle to master the art of flirting in an
Speaker 2: era of social media and dating apps. Quote. I think
Speaker 2: flirting is dying. Los Angeles resident Nicky san Janco's twenty
Speaker 2: four told NBC if someone thinks you're cute, they just
Speaker 2: ask you for your Instagram these days and then DM
Speaker 2: you or swipe up on your story to show they're interested.
Speaker 2: The state of dating today has been described as ext
Speaker 2: as women online lament the nightmarish difficulties of trying to
Speaker 2: find a man night Marriagh bro It's Freddy Krueger up
Speaker 2: in my dms? What the fuck is this? Like eighties
Speaker 2: rom com narrator version of society. It's like, Kathy's just
Speaker 2: a woman trying to find a man. Yeah. Like the
Speaker 2: article mostly bashes gen Z like sort of painting them.
Speaker 2: It's like just super awkward and so online, like they
Speaker 2: don't know how to even talk to another person. And
Speaker 2: I get the social anxiety part, like we even it's
Speaker 2: as millennials, we also have that. Yeah, but like buried
Speaker 2: in this bullshit is like a line about how younger
Speaker 2: people are opting to try and just date in person
Speaker 2: since apps are so shit, and that's I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's there's the nugget there that you want to kind
Speaker 2: of pull out what they're doing is there? It sounds
Speaker 2: like maybe they're moving towards something a little less like
Speaker 2: koy and superficial.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the author of this is mad that people don't
Speaker 5: say dick pics anymore. Like that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 5: It's like they haven't they've lost how to do the
Speaker 5: art of flirting. AKA when I send a picture of
Speaker 5: me touching my balls and I go, do you like?
Speaker 5: And then they don't respawn.
Speaker 2: And then like and then the local police constables knocking
Speaker 2: on my door. I don't like any of this, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: it's also just sort of like because I feel like
Speaker 2: in the eighties and nineties, like my brain was absolutely
Speaker 2: poisoned by eighties and nineties media that did not actually
Speaker 2: show how human beings interacted in a romantic capacity like
Speaker 2: I was. I was truly like, bro, you will die
Speaker 2: alone if you don't have the smooth pickup line. I
Speaker 2: don't know how to. I remember being obsessed with fucking
Speaker 2: winking yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to learn how to
Speaker 2: wink good. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Was what was your smooth pickup line?
Speaker 2: I didn't have one. I was so fucking I was
Speaker 2: like at Luckily, by the time I got to like
Speaker 2: high school, my whole thing was just being funny and outgoing,
Speaker 2: and I realized that was like that'll that'll bring the
Speaker 2: that'll bring the boys to the yard. As Colice said,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean my sense of humor. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I never I mean, like I would say stuff corny.
Speaker 2: The one thing I did, like in the digital phone
Speaker 2: age is if I saw like somebody I was attracted to,
Speaker 2: like trying to take a photo, I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me take a picture, let me let me take
Speaker 2: that picture for you, and then I will put it
Speaker 2: on selfie mode and I would take a selfie of me.
Speaker 2: I think I would do that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if actually maybe I won't say his name.
Speaker 3: But there's like a pretty famous, like celebrity pundit man
Speaker 3: who I went saw at a conference and I was celebrity.
Speaker 2: He's giving you opinions away.
Speaker 3: Then like he's roughly the same age as me, and
Speaker 3: like we probably share friends. He's like in the same
Speaker 3: social circles. But I was like, no, you know, I
Speaker 3: had a couple of drinks, so I wasn't in my
Speaker 3: best self. And he gave me his phone to take
Speaker 3: a picture of him and all of his mates, and
Speaker 3: I truly just took so many pictures of myself, and
Speaker 3: then he gave it back to me to do it
Speaker 3: again because he was annoyed, and then I did it again.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, haven't grown out of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like at that point, it's not even flirting, it's
Speaker 5: just it's just hilarious spite and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hold it, you guys are nailing it. Keep
Speaker 2: doing that. Keep doing that? Can you keep your legging
Speaker 2: your leg? Keeps giving it back to you? Like, do
Speaker 2: it better? You're like, okay, now I'm just gonna tweet
Speaker 2: some ship. The funny part is like, even though I
Speaker 2: would do ship like that, they would be like oh
Speaker 2: ha haha, Like I had no way to transition from that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, all right, I gotta go, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, that was so fucking anxiety and do
Speaker 2: so I did step one, but I forgot there's more
Speaker 2: steps after that. I was just like, did that part
Speaker 2: be a little be a little cutesy with him? The
Speaker 2: talking part, because it was it looked like weird. I remember, like,
Speaker 2: you can never be like I like you. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: even fucking murder. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I get like, I'm pretty happy that gen Z
Speaker 4: have killed flooding then, because all of this stuff just
Speaker 4: feels like harassment. It just feels like a waste of
Speaker 4: everyone's time. I'm very happy if I get a nice
Speaker 4: TM or a heart on something it can help us.
Speaker 2: I like that exactly. I think, like I said, kill
Speaker 2: flirting because I didn't know how to do it and
Speaker 2: he didn't do anything for fucking me. But after going
Speaker 2: to therapy, guess what, voicing my needs and being straightforward
Speaker 2: with people actually has done a lot for me. And
Speaker 2: if that's how we communicate, that would actually I think
Speaker 2: it's better for us in the long run, rather than
Speaker 2: being so fucking coy it's like exhausting. Yeah, you got
Speaker 2: to learn to flirt with yourself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Thank you, dude.
Speaker 5: That's the most healthy way of doing it. I didn't
Speaker 5: have pickup lines growing up. I think I had a
Speaker 5: long obsession with I have to get a dog because
Speaker 5: someone years ago told me that's the best way to
Speaker 5: pick up chicks quote unquote, and then eventually I forgot
Speaker 5: that that's why I wanted a dog, and I just
Speaker 5: became dog upsseess and I was like, I can't get
Speaker 5: a girlfriend un till I get a dog.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I just have to get a dog. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now I just love dogs.
Speaker 6: Do you have a dog?
Speaker 2: No? Oh man, I already have a wife, but you
Speaker 2: have family. So yeah, in a way, you made good.
Speaker 2: You made good. I made good? Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, amazing.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come right
Speaker 2: back to discuss just the Reform Party in the UK.
Speaker 2: Just are they up to tricks? Are they not? I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's a lot of weird shit and
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it with y'all after this,
Speaker 2: and we're back and yes, ed another stock. I felt
Speaker 2: like a few months ago on the show we were
Speaker 2: talking about how the stock price for Tesla, the performance
Speaker 2: has not been great. There was a flood of like,
Speaker 2: well the sales are short, and then like Elon got
Speaker 2: his pay package and then everyone's like, yes, he's back, baby,
Speaker 2: and the last few weeks have seen a huge increase.
Speaker 2: One headline said it like wiped out all losses. They're
Speaker 2: in the green for the first time in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: And this is because Elon Musk is a genius. Correct,
Speaker 2: it's because he's Jack Welch too is a great man.
Speaker 2: What he is basically just like the great guy and
Speaker 2: not the guy that at the Alec Baldwin character from
Speaker 2: thirty Rap thirty effectively in heart.
Speaker 6: But I was voted most yeah, yeah, But the thing
Speaker 6: is like that deliveries are still down. They beat tor
Speaker 6: Street estimates, but they were still down four percent four
Speaker 6: point eight percent year of year. But the stock is
Speaker 6: like two hundred and fifty bucks now it's a meme stock.
Speaker 6: And I don't fit and I don't I think it's
Speaker 6: impressive how bad it is at this point. It's so horrible.
Speaker 6: It's like watching a very bad person win again and
Speaker 6: again and again.
Speaker 2: Yeah and truly. But also.
Speaker 6: Even though they voted his stock package through the Delaware courts,
Speaker 6: still made it clear that it was not like it's
Speaker 6: there's there. Things will change. I just don't know when anymore.
Speaker 6: Tester is just so fucking bizarre. I bet Google and
Speaker 6: Meta are so jealous of him because it's just disconnected
Speaker 6: from one.
Speaker 2: I mean speaking of like like you know, promising shit
Speaker 2: and never delivering on it. Like what's going on. There's
Speaker 2: like this, there's a new sort of self driving update
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are like, yeah, baby, it's
Speaker 2: gonna happen, but this has never fucking happened still, And
Speaker 2: the fleet of robot taxis that you could lease passively
Speaker 2: in your sleep while you make passive income while you're
Speaker 2: catching zas that's nowhere to be found. And I'm just
Speaker 2: always it just blows my mind how I mean, it's
Speaker 2: definitely definitely cult like because they're the detractor aren't really
Speaker 2: the detractors who are vocal kind of get cast aside.
Speaker 2: And there's so many people who are like, it's okay, man,
Speaker 2: that this thing fucking sucks, like the cyber truck fucking sucks. Objectively,
Speaker 2: it fucking sucks like it got I took it to
Speaker 2: a car wash. It fucking it got fucked up. My
Speaker 2: control panel fell off, the fucking side panels fall off,
Speaker 2: the charging issues, I can't get the charger out.
Speaker 8: It broke my finger and it accelerates when it wants to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I drove into a house on accident.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just it's very weird and there is no
Speaker 6: stock out that like it. But also it's up today.
Speaker 6: I maintain this shit will burn. They are Takey's out
Speaker 6: of ideas, and so is Elon Musk. The cyber truck
Speaker 6: is ridiculous. It looks like shit, it's small. It's a
Speaker 6: terrible truck, terrible car. It's terrible deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't even pay off on its promise of
Speaker 2: being a truck. Like, there's so many hilarious things I say.
Speaker 2: I read it where like someone's like, you couldn't even
Speaker 2: put a bicycle flat. Yeah, you couldn't put a bake it.
Speaker 2: You could put a Christmas tree in? What the fuck
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 6: My favorite one is this guy who was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: took my truck to home depot and he got like
Speaker 6: four bags of mulch.
Speaker 2: Oh I saw that too. Yeah, it's just like like soil.
Speaker 6: And someone was starting with I did this in my
Speaker 6: Toyota Corolla.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8: As as a guy who likes cars, I can say,
Speaker 8: we're very dumb and it is all about like me,
Speaker 8: you want to be seen in room room machine, Like
Speaker 8: I just want something that looks like a Ferrari or
Speaker 8: something that looks like yeah, exactly, so yeah for sure,
Speaker 8: but yeah yeah, but I'm just saying, if it's if
Speaker 8: you like the aesthetic of that wow factor of the truck,
Speaker 8: which you you know, being sure a nine year old,
Speaker 8: it's it's that's all.
Speaker 6: You need, you know what, Ima Simpson?
Speaker 8: Yeah for sure? Yeah right, yeah, if your Homer Simpson,
Speaker 8: who thinks whatever hackers from the late nineties thought was
Speaker 8: cool is cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what like, that's what's wild is there.
Speaker 2: There's just such a pattern of bullshit and yet like
Speaker 2: like to your point at it's like the guy keeps
Speaker 2: fucking with how like that not a single thing he's
Speaker 2: promising is happening, and people are still willing to like
Speaker 2: make all these excuses for why the cyber truck isn't
Speaker 2: actually in an L on four wheels, and they're just like,
Speaker 2: don't worry, man, just what happens. And now there's like
Speaker 2: some new thing about they're not calling it a recall,
Speaker 2: but they're saying they're gonna change their motors and some
Speaker 2: of the early cyber trucks and I'm like just suck
Speaker 2: is this?
Speaker 6: It is all spinning plates, And Elon Musk is very
Speaker 6: good at that. He genuinely has worked out the limits
Speaker 6: to which you can push capitalism and push the markets
Speaker 6: and lie to the markets. Right, So he lies to them,
Speaker 6: and he lies to them, and he keeps lying and
Speaker 6: they keep eating it up. At some point they're going
Speaker 6: to run out of electricity. He was about to say gas, right,
Speaker 6: because there aren't any new things with Tesla. Deliveries are
Speaker 6: slowing down. Yeah, the actual fundamentals off this stock are
Speaker 6: not brilliant. On top of that, Elon Musk may or
Speaker 6: may not do a bunch of fucking care to me right. Also,
Speaker 6: a lot of his companies are very unprofitable. Tesla's actually profitable.
Speaker 6: It's just very weird because this crap works until it doesn't.
Speaker 6: He's just very good at keeping it going. It's two
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty bucks now, it was like something else,
Speaker 6: Like it was like one hundred and et or something like.
Speaker 2: A few weeks ago.
Speaker 6: It's just at some point the worm turns.
Speaker 2: I'm just no.
Speaker 6: Idea where it's going to fucking happen anymore. I thought
Speaker 6: it would be by now it would partly because it'd
Speaker 6: be entertaining, but also he's a shit head. Yeah, what
Speaker 6: fucking asshole. He's so annoying because all of this money
Speaker 6: and he's like, yes, sir, it's very epic and base
Speaker 6: to post the fourteen words and oh jesus, yeah fourteen
Speaker 6: So he retweets them. Yeah yeah, and he's like got Twitter,
Speaker 6: which is just burning money, just constantly burning money. SpaceX
Speaker 6: is funny though, because people say, oh, yeah, they're profitable
Speaker 6: now they playing fucking accounting games that they're not really Like,
Speaker 6: there's a Wall Street Journal piece about this, so Wall
Speaker 6: Street Journal piece about and just fucking random woman at
Speaker 6: Tesla and SpaceX as well.
Speaker 2: This man's a goblin. It's like everything is so unlikable,
Speaker 2: it's so upsetting. And then I saw did you there
Speaker 2: was this? So they had one of the like head
Speaker 2: lead engineers like a while ago when they were trying
Speaker 2: to create all the hype for the cyber truck. He
Speaker 2: went on like Jay Leno's garage like YouTube channel, and
Speaker 2: there's this clip where he's talking about the side mirrors
Speaker 2: and he's like, we didn't even want side mirrors on
Speaker 2: this thing. I'm just gonna play this because It's like
Speaker 2: to me, I'm like, wait, hold on, how exactly does
Speaker 2: Tesla do things? And so Jay is like the question
Speaker 2: he's asking this engineer is like, were there anythings that
Speaker 2: like you wanted that just got like completely shot down?
Speaker 2: Like what were some other like bold design choices you made?
Speaker 2: And this is him talking about the side mirrors, the
Speaker 2: side view mirrors.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean we didn't want mirrors, right, and so
Speaker 15: in the beginning, we weren't even designing mirrors.
Speaker 2: I like how Jayleno goes, huh and he goes, we
Speaker 2: didn't even want mirrors. He goes, oh, that part is
Speaker 2: so funny. I'm played again.
Speaker 15: We didn't want mirrors, right, and so in the beginning
Speaker 15: we weren't even designing mirrors. And then just we couldn't
Speaker 15: get the regulations changed camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, did you hear that? So he goes and
Speaker 2: you know, we couldn't get the regulations changed, so you know,
Speaker 2: we had to put him in. So I'm like, as
Speaker 2: half of their the way they ideated is sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: can we get the laws changed so we can like
Speaker 2: get this hair brain ship onto the car? Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like one break the law? How big? But what if
Speaker 2: we we just changed it. Yeah, and then that never works.
Speaker 8: Right, and paid enough money to change the legislation, which
Speaker 8: is what they're assuming they're gonna be capable of doing,
Speaker 8: which they probably you know, which the surprising that they
Speaker 8: weren't up to because I was saying, like all car
Speaker 8: designers forever, they wanted to get rid of side mirrors,
Speaker 8: like all aesthetically all car car designers feel that they
Speaker 8: like your ears coming up. Yeah, yeah, so like these
Speaker 8: but but they all know like, oh and also we
Speaker 8: have to have mirrors. But the hubris these dudes is
Speaker 8: the same kind of hubris that is like, oh, we're
Speaker 8: actually not gonna die. We're we decided we're gonna upload
Speaker 8: our consciousness and totally totally defeat mortality. You know what
Speaker 8: I mean. This is the level of like presumptive hubris
Speaker 8: that we're dealing with.
Speaker 6: You know, they just don't. I genuinely think these people
Speaker 6: just take cabs everywhere.
Speaker 2: That tracks at a certain level of wealth. Yeah, people
Speaker 2: don't just don't drive.
Speaker 6: It's the theme across everything we're talking about. Summed up.
Speaker 6: A shy of Google doesn't use Google, sutch in, a
Speaker 6: deller of Microsoft, Oh fuck my f I put my
Speaker 6: thumb up and now the zoom now keeping this in, I.
Speaker 2: Just want rows your fucking video screen. I have a
Speaker 2: video stream right now.
Speaker 6: This is an important AI related thing that proves my
Speaker 6: larger point. So if you raise your thumb in front
Speaker 6: of the camera now on Zoom, it does a weird
Speaker 6: pop up bubble of a thumbs up, and then it
Speaker 6: freezes your video through the power of AI. And that's
Speaker 6: exactly the ship that someone would like Eric yuan See
Speaker 6: of Zoom, or any number of people at Microsoft to
Speaker 6: Google who don't use their products to think that sounds great,
Speaker 6: that's awesome. What if on top of showing my thumb,
Speaker 6: thus giving the thumbs up, it also showed another thumb.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but this is the problem across all of this.
Speaker 6: Elon Musk doesn't drive anywhere Google Sundit doesn't google anything
Speaker 6: such a Nendella, doesn't use fucking Microsoft word. He probably
Speaker 6: sends outlook like emails. But that's about it, right. None
Speaker 6: of these people interact with the economy with labor. They
Speaker 6: don't do work, they don't do anything so like of course,
Speaker 6: But yeah, I done if fucking mirrors on a car
Speaker 6: you asked white, right, you know I need to see
Speaker 6: behind you.
Speaker 2: That's what my drivers for, right exactly. Yeah, this thing
Speaker 2: can go off road, cut to it cannot really go
Speaker 2: off road.
Speaker 6: Yeah he said it could double as a boat. And
Speaker 6: like someone's test cyber truck got totled because he drove
Speaker 6: it through a very small puddle of water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't even actually reach like the door line.
Speaker 2: I saw like where they showed where the water reached,
Speaker 2: Like it didn't even really even get in the car,
Speaker 2: not even close. And like the insurers like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: we're not fucking we're not touching this thing. Sorry, it's
Speaker 2: so cool. Yeah, I love all of it. Well, And now,
Speaker 2: like you see too, a lot of cyber truck owners,
Speaker 2: there's like a bunch of stuff too where they're like,
Speaker 2: this is how you remove your side view mirrors from
Speaker 2: your fucking cyber truck. And I'm like, that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: Your seven thousand pound missile car now has no sure
Speaker 2: cause it just looks cooler. Man, When I mount my
Speaker 2: fifty cow machine gun in the back with my big
Speaker 2: American flag, and you see a lot of people doing
Speaker 2: this like it, it's just interesting too.
Speaker 9: Like it.
Speaker 2: It also has an appeal to people who are also
Speaker 2: not quite living in the same reality as us. Like
Speaker 2: you see so many people who are like putting like
Speaker 2: they're wrapping it to look like a World War two
Speaker 2: fucking fighter plane or someone mounting a machine gun and
Speaker 2: having like a gigantic American flag because it looks like
Speaker 2: a meme they saw and they're like, and that's what
Speaker 2: it does. Man, it's a meme. It's a terrible car
Speaker 2: and I hurt my thumbs trying to load it in
Speaker 2: some kibble. So thanks you loon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so good, and I love that this guy
Speaker 6: is a billionaire. That's good as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: there are times you get a little bit black piled
Speaker 6: when you think about this stuff too much.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean it's I know, it's hard, especially again,
Speaker 2: like you said, you're watching someone who's an evil doer
Speaker 2: just continue to compound financial wins and you're like, I don't,
Speaker 2: But again, that's how the game is set up, so
Speaker 2: if you know at a certain point you can.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's it's inherently competitive, so those that cheat win.
Speaker 8: Here's my thing is, I really do feel you guys
Speaker 8: probably won't agree with this, but I feel like being
Speaker 8: that rich is a wild burden and terrible for you
Speaker 8: for your spiritual life. That it's like because think about
Speaker 8: it this way, like I don't If I have very
Speaker 8: little money, what is required to make me happy. All
Speaker 8: it takes is a shower orange.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 8: I just need one peach to take into the shower
Speaker 8: with me. But if I'm wildly rich and I'm used
Speaker 8: to spending millions of dollars, the amount of money I
Speaker 8: have to spend to get more new exciting sensory information
Speaker 8: is cocaine, ketamine and a couple of sex workers who
Speaker 8: have to do stuff that is not even sex anymore.
Speaker 8: You know, likes right, you know so, and then you
Speaker 8: watch what happens with these You watch what happens with
Speaker 8: these people too, which is the profound lack of maturity,
Speaker 8: the internet behavior of a thirteen year old who's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: what if I tweeted the word kweef?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? You know, twenty? Yeah, you're pretty funny.
Speaker 8: It's absurd, you know. So, I'm so grateful that I
Speaker 8: don't have that amount of money.
Speaker 2: We're real, we're real.
Speaker 6: Hand it over to me and I'll tell you how
Speaker 6: it goes. But also I agree, I actually think when
Speaker 6: you because the thing about someone like Elon mosk Mark
Speaker 6: about got paid two hundred and twenty million dollars to
Speaker 6: fuck up Google in two thousand and sorry, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 16: These guys they don't have bills, right, they don't have that.
Speaker 16: They don't wake up in the morning worrying about anything. Yeah,
Speaker 16: but they could get fired that day, get nothing in return,
Speaker 16: and have probably fifty to one hundred million dollars of
Speaker 16: liquid capital and a bunch of assets, and probably walk
Speaker 16: into another job the same day. They don't have trouble
Speaker 16: getting introduced to people. They don't need to worry about
Speaker 16: career progression. They don't need to worry about anything.
Speaker 6: All of the things that they person worries about pretty
Speaker 6: much any income level, are just concepts to them, and
Speaker 6: problems that you have are things that they can mitigate.
Speaker 6: In pretty much every way. On Us could probably look
Speaker 6: better than he does. He just chooses not to, which
Speaker 6: is very funny. But it's I think when you think
Speaker 6: of it like that, like it does sound like hell,
Speaker 6: But at the same time, give me the money, give.
Speaker 2: It to me. I will be smart. I'm smart enough
Speaker 2: to know what I don't.
Speaker 8: Yeah for that, Ed I'll support you get a couple bill.
Speaker 6: But also on top of that, only CEOs and this
Speaker 6: is such a cheesy thing to say for smit to therapy.
Speaker 6: You can't be the CEO of one of these companies
Speaker 6: without like three hours of therapy a week and beginning
Speaker 6: or week.
Speaker 2: Or you know, just cap the fucking the wages that
Speaker 2: you can get as CEO and then you know, leave
Speaker 2: it there. But Ed, I gotta thank you for stopping
Speaker 2: by and uh, you know, just making me feel even
Speaker 2: better about my uh heritage series or foundation series cyber
Speaker 2: truck that's going to be delivered later today.
Speaker 8: I've seen that this beauty, all those eagles on the
Speaker 8: Really it's a beaute, dude, gotta say it's a beaute.
Speaker 2: Got Conan right there.
Speaker 6: He's a woman for the rest of us man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, dude, I will. I will thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining us on the daily side. Gust Ed,
Speaker 2: where do people find you? Follow you, hear you, read
Speaker 2: you all of that good stuff.
Speaker 6: Where's your edge dot at better offline dot com you
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Speaker 6: people you know with a knife to.
Speaker 2: Listen to it every episode, like a common Gallagher. Yeah exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: forced them at knife point. Is there a work of
Speaker 2: social media or otherwise that you have been enjoying enjoying?
Speaker 6: So there is a tweet which I will get you
Speaker 6: the link of after the thing where someone tweeted and
Speaker 6: I'm paraphrasing here, but it was like I saw your
Speaker 6: man crashing his flying machine in the town square. Your
Speaker 6: man was saying confound it and dratt or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a wonderful tweet. Yeah, I saw that
Speaker 2: one too. Who was it?
Speaker 6: Also one another thing I've been laughing at, which is
Speaker 6: underscore Latino. So Senkygira, who has had a very strange turn,
Speaker 6: posted going to debate the omniliberal and wolf shbreed and
Speaker 6: on Biden staying and or dropping out. Brianna Woo is
Speaker 6: on my side for dropping out. I have never heard
Speaker 6: a conversation I wanted to hear less. Yeah, Jesus, like,
Speaker 6: it's between that and ten minutes of people punching dogs and.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's tough. Yeah. The only destiny I'm interested in
Speaker 2: was a Microsoft product destiny I care about was destiny too,
Speaker 2: but I guess that was Bungee technically right.
Speaker 6: I'm by Sony PlayStation now.
Speaker 2: Ah see How the Mighty Fall, How the Mighty Fall?
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