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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm doing a solo Ask Me Anything episode

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Speaker 2: which I'm going to be answering your questions about my

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Speaker 2: new role medi eater conservation issues, and deer hunting tactics,

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Speaker 2: strategies and regulations. All right, welcome back to the Wired

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Speaker 2: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light, and

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Speaker 2: today it is an Ask Me Anything episode. I put

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Speaker 2: out the call for questions last week and today I'm

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Speaker 2: going to answer them about all sorts of different topics

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Speaker 2: and the three major buckets that I would say those

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Speaker 2: questions fall into are questions about my new role at

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Speaker 2: METAT and what that's going to mean for Wired to Hunt,

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Speaker 2: which I kind of introduced to you guys that this

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Speaker 2: is happening last week. And then number two, a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions about deer hunting tactics, trail cameras, deer hunting regulations,

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Speaker 2: various strategy related things, lots of stuff to cover on

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Speaker 2: that front, and then finally a bunch of questions related

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Speaker 2: to conservation, public lands, wildlife, and a lot more that's

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Speaker 2: relevant to this new side of my life at Meetator

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Speaker 2: as the director of Conservation and so today I'm going

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Speaker 2: to answer those questions, and I'm going to do it

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Speaker 2: in a way that hopefully can keep this relevant to

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Speaker 2: you no matter which part of those questions you're interested in.

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Speaker 2: I know there's some of you who come to Wired

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Speaker 2: to hunt specifically for that deer hunting stuff. So we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a chunk that is just deer hunting questions,

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Speaker 2: and then there will also be a chunk of questions

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Speaker 2: in which I put all that conservation stuff together. So

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Speaker 2: if you're into that side of things, if you're curious

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Speaker 2: about that world, you can listen to that part or

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Speaker 2: hopefully you'll listen to the whole thing and get a

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Speaker 2: little bit of both. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 2: I do want to just say thank you so much

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Speaker 2: to everyone for the messages and the comments and the

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Speaker 2: text messages and all the support with this new step

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Speaker 2: for me that Meetator taking on this new role really

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Speaker 2: appreciate that. I'm just super excited about this opportunity to

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Speaker 2: do something that I care about a lot and that

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Speaker 2: hopefully will lead to good things to come for the

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Speaker 2: future of deer hunting and hunting and fishing of all

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Speaker 2: types in America moving forward. So with that said, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to keep this intro very short and sweet. We're

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Speaker 2: going to get right to these questions. We're going to

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Speaker 2: split it up, like I mentioned, so you can fast

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Speaker 2: start with a couple quick questions related to the new role,

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Speaker 2: and then we're going to go into conservation related things,

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Speaker 2: and then finally we're going to jump into the hunting side.

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Speaker 2: So that's the plan, that's what we're going to do here.

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Speaker 2: So first question is from Brendan. I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: their questions. Brendan asks, what do you imagine will change

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Speaker 2: with your podcast and anything else given your new role.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of that's up in the air still,

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Speaker 2: but the basic plan is that, you know, my role

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to continue doing podcasts, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: continue doing shows and films on the Mediator YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: I'm continue doing all of that hunting kind of front

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Speaker 2: related to just general wildlife and conservation and nature. I've

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Speaker 2: still be uh, you know, I'll still have a role

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Speaker 2: There's also going to be some new content from me

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Speaker 2: And I think that's, you know, at a high level

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Speaker 2: and thank you in advance for checking that one out. So,

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Speaker 2: Neither side is perfect in my view on the issues

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Speaker 2: month and next year. So that's the first thing. Number one.

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Speaker 2: Finds something you can do now in your own neck

434
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Speaker 2: of the woods, and then you know number two, then

435
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: just start connecting and engaging with this stuff. So find

436
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: out where the needs are. Connect with local conservation groups.

437
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Connect with the conservation group for the critter that you

438
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: care the most about, or the place that you care

439
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: the most about. Sign up, ask them, Hey, where do

440
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: you need help? How can I jump in? What do

441
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: you need? Where can I be of service? Those types

442
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: of questions inevitably are going to lead to opportunities, opportunities

443
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: to make a difference, and then maybe to you know,

444
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: to the other potential part of your question. It could

445
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: lead to career opportunities because there is no shortage of

446
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 2: needs out there in the conservation world. There are nonprofits,

447
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: and there are folks you know at the state agencies,

448
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: and there are folks that are federal agencies and public

449
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: land managers and wildlife managers who are doing the best

450
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Speaker 2: that they can with limited resources, limited staffing, limited time,

451
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Speaker 2: and they need people who are willing to step up

452
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: and help out. Volunteering time, volunteering money, volunteering, you know,

453
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 2: a skill set, there's places to do that. And the

454
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: more you do that, the more you put yourself out

455
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: there to help, the more likely it is that you

456
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: might find that opportunity that hey, here's this entry level job,

457
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: or here's this job opportunity, or here's this internship opportunity,

458
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: or here's this class you can sign up to be

459
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Speaker 2: a part of that maybe leads to that down the road.

460
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Speaker 2: So that's what I would recommend doing. Just get started,

461
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: find those close to home things where you can make

462
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Speaker 2: a difference today, and then start just putting it out

463
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: there for these different, bigger picture things that can lead

464
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Speaker 2: to a difference down the road. And then finally, you know,

465
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Speaker 2: do what I talked about ten minutes ago, which is

466
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Speaker 2: making those phone calls, talking to those candidates, talking to

467
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Speaker 2: your elected officials, and you know, trying to do on

468
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Speaker 2: a consistent and basis. You know, my buddy Randy Neuberg

469
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, I guess last week on

470
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: the show, said we should be reaching out to our

471
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Speaker 2: elected officials once a month, consistently reminding them of the

472
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Speaker 2: stuff that we care about and what's happening right now.

473
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Speaker 2: My buddy Cale has said that he tries to do

474
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Speaker 2: this once a week. It's not that big of a

475
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Speaker 2: time suck. You can do this in a three minute

476
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Speaker 2: phone call once a week or once a month or

477
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, and that is a huge, huge thing.

478
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Speaker 2: We can make a big difference if there are thousands

479
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: of us doing that, that's the power we have. We

480
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: can make a difference with that. So I hope that helps.

481
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Speaker 2: Noah asks, what are your thoughts on the push in

482
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Speaker 2: Michigan to add massive amounts of solar farms. Man, That

483
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: is a big one, because this is not just a

484
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Speaker 2: Michigan thing. This is something we're seeing, you know, with

485
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Speaker 2: solar and with wind, and we're seeing that not just

486
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Speaker 2: a Michigan but we're seeing it all across the country.

487
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Speaker 2: And you know, this isn't just related to those renewable

488
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: energy sources. It's also just energy of any kind. Anytime

489
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: you have energy infrastructure going in, it makes an impact.

490
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Speaker 2: So you see that obviously with solar farms, you see

491
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Speaker 2: that with wind farms. We've seen it for decades and decades.

492
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Speaker 2: When it comes to gas and oil, of course, that

493
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Speaker 2: infrastructure has had a significant impact on the environment in

494
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Speaker 2: public lands over the years. So whatever it is, I

495
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: think that the very most important thing is that it

496
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Speaker 2: comes down to the sighting of those you know, energy projects.

497
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Speaker 2: Where are they placed, What are the actual you know,

498
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Speaker 2: kind of guardrails around them, so that they are done

499
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Speaker 2: in as environmentally friendly of a way as possible, as

500
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Speaker 2: wildlife friendly a way as possible. You know, we need energy,

501
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Speaker 2: that's obvious. Every single one of us uses energy, uses electricity,

502
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Speaker 2: uses gas and oil and increasingly solar and wind energy

503
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: to power our homes, our phones, our cars, whatever we

504
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Speaker 2: need it. It is what it is. How do we

505
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: do that in a way that makes less of a

506
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Speaker 2: negative impact. I think that clean energy is obviously something

507
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: that is is a good thing. I'm not gonna sit

508
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: here and say that I don't want cleaner energy. I do,

509
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: but I don't want to throw the baby with throw

510
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: the baby out with the bathwater. I don't want clean energy,

511
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: but then ruin all of our wildlife habitat in an

512
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Speaker 2: attempt to do that. So I've got really conflicted feelings

513
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: on solar and wind because it certainly seems like solar

514
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 2: and wind energy does not have as many of the

515
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: you know, negative environmental byproducts as maybe burning fossil fuels

516
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: does on some fronts, but the on the ground impact

517
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: is huge, especially those solar farms, like I'm sure you're

518
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: talking about Noah, where you see you know, one thousand acres,

519
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred acres completely fenced in, fencing out wildlife, completely

520
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: covered with solar panels. I mean, this is this is

521
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Speaker 2: intense wildlife habitat destruction. And it just makes no sense

522
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Speaker 2: to me. Why are we doing that? Why are we

523
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Speaker 2: just destroying wildlife habitat when there's all of these rooftops

524
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: all over the nation, all of these concrete parking lots

525
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: all over the nation that have already been destroyed. The

526
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: wildlife habitat has already been destroyed there that we could

527
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Speaker 2: be putting these panels that would not make the negative

528
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Speaker 2: difference there. I know there's cost issues, I know there's

529
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Speaker 2: all these things, but I really think that when it

530
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Speaker 2: comes to these renewable projects, we can still be supportive

531
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Speaker 2: generally of the idea if that's something that you're into.

532
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: But I think we have to really be pushing for

533
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Speaker 2: responsible sighting of those and making sure this stuff's not

534
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: being put in important wildlife habitats, not you know, breaking

535
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: up and fragmenting wildlife migrations. It's not destroying wildlife habitat.

536
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: This stuff should be put in smart places, not taking

537
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Speaker 2: special places and making them worse. I know that the

538
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership did some work putting together. I

539
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: think there were some documents kind of outlining their proposals

540
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Speaker 2: on how to be thinking about this, how to make

541
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Speaker 2: sure we're doing this in the smart, sponsible, environmentally friendly way.

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00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: That'd be something to take a look at and probably

543
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: share with some of our lawmakers now. But yeah, I

544
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: don't like seeing habitat destroyed. I think we have to

545
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: be just as cautious about this renewable energy as we

546
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: are about you know, traditional forms of energy both make

547
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Speaker 2: an impact, so both need to be done carefully, with

548
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: a lot of thought and guardrails around them to make

549
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: sure that we are mitigating the negative effects and making

550
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Speaker 2: sure that yes, we get our energy, but we do

551
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Speaker 2: so in such a way that does not negatively influence

552
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Speaker 2: the environment or wildlife or public lands any more than

553
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: it absolutely has to. That's my take. Justin asks currently,

554
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Speaker 2: which species do you feel is under the greatest threat

555
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: due to the potential selling off of public lands and

556
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: what can we do to help? So I think when

557
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Speaker 2: it comes to the threats of the sale or transfer

558
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Speaker 2: of public lands, while you know, last summer there was

559
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: the possibility that this could happen across a lot of

560
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Speaker 2: different states, a lot of different areas forest service bl

561
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Speaker 2: and lands, et cetera. I think most of the pressures

562
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Speaker 2: to date, and the biggest risks have probably been on

563
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Speaker 2: Bureau of Land Management parcels, which are you know, out west,

564
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Speaker 2: those are our you know, desert landscapes typically or where

565
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: you see BLM grasslands, desert. You know, this is stuff

566
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Speaker 2: that you see a lot in those major Western states.

567
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Speaker 2: So you know, I could see this happening in a

568
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Speaker 2: Nevada or a Utah in those places. Most of those

569
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Speaker 2: Western BLM type landscapes have habitat that are critically important

570
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Speaker 2: to two or only three species that are you know,

571
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Speaker 2: in relatively significant decline. Sage grouds have been in massive

572
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Speaker 2: decline in recent decades. I feel like it's something more

573
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Speaker 2: like eighty percent drop in population in the recent handful

574
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Speaker 2: of decades. I don't remember the exact numbers there, but

575
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Speaker 2: serious serious issues on the sage grouse side, And if

576
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Speaker 2: we were to actually see a sale of public lands

577
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: happen on BLM ground, that would definitely be something that

578
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: would be impacting sage grouse and then mule deer. Mule

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Speaker 2: deer numbers have been dropping across many states across many

580
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Speaker 2: parts of their landscape, and a big part of that

581
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: is because of habitat loss. So if we were to

582
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Speaker 2: see public lands soul they're transferred, I feel like mule

583
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Speaker 2: deer would really be feeling it. Pronghorn are another one

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Speaker 2: in many places they've been trending down. Again. There are

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Speaker 2: another important sage brush and grassland species that could be

586
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Speaker 2: hurting if public lands and if those like sage brush

587
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Speaker 2: stepped type ecosystems started being developed and sold off. So

588
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: those three would be big ones. Those ones stand out

589
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Speaker 2: to me, you're at the top. Justin asks, I guess

590
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Speaker 2: I'll jump back he did ask. Justin did ask what

591
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Speaker 2: can we do to help? And I would just jump

592
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: back to what I've reiterated over and over, which is like,

593
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Speaker 2: we've got to talk to our elected officials about these

594
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Speaker 2: things while they're in office, when they're up for election,

595
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: and after they're elected, just consistently, over and over and

596
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: over again, making sure they know that, hey, selling off

597
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: for public lands, it's not going to fly all right.

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Speaker 2: Pickle asks, when you retire and look back on what

599
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Speaker 2: you accomplished, what will success look like when it comes

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Speaker 2: to fighting for public lands? I think two things. I

601
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: think one, there's with any of this, there's a lot

602
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Speaker 2: that is outside of any one of our hands. Right

603
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: for any of us who care about these things, we

604
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: can make an impact, but we can't control it all.

605
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: We don't have the ultimate say on so much of this.

606
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Speaker 2: So I think one, I would look back on my

607
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: career and say, did I do everything I could? Did

608
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: I go for it? Did I put my best foot

609
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Speaker 2: forward and keep trying over and over and over in

610
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Speaker 2: different ways to make a positive difference? If I could

611
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Speaker 2: sit there after I retire and look back and say, man,

612
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: you really did. You tried your damnedest, I would feel

613
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: pretty good about that. I would feel well satisfied that

614
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: I gave my best Part one. Part two, and this

615
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: is the one where it's much more outside of my control.

616
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Speaker 2: But if I could say that what I've been able

617
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: to enjoy growing up and now as an adult on

618
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Speaker 2: public lands, that the incredible experience of the amazing hunting trips,

619
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Speaker 2: seeing just the wild, incredible fishing trips and experiences, the

620
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Speaker 2: backpacking trips, the hikes, the camping. If what I have

621
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Speaker 2: been able to enjoy, this unbelievable set of public land

622
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Speaker 2: adventures that I've been able to enjoy, if that's still

623
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Speaker 2: available for my kids and their children, so my grandchildren

624
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: when I retire, If my grandchildren still have those same

625
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: opportunities and those same places, that's a success. That's what

626
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Speaker 2: for me would be a win. How much of that's possible,

627
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Speaker 2: I do not know. I think that we are going

628
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: to have to work our tails off to keep these

629
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Speaker 2: places around, to keep these opportunities around, to keep these

630
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Speaker 2: wildlife healthy and thriving. We have got our work cut

631
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Speaker 2: out for us. There are so many pressures from so

632
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 2: many different sides coming in on these things. If we

633
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: sit back and think that somebody else is going to

634
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: do it for us, it's not going to happen. That

635
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: will not be the case. Fifty years from now, I

636
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: will not be able to be retired and look back

637
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: and say, Yep, my grandkids have the same opportunities. If

638
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: I want that to be the case. If you want

639
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: that to be case, it's going to take it's going

640
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 2: to take us taking ownership of it and saying, hey,

641
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to wait for somebody else to do it.

642
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: I'm not going to assume that this other group will

643
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Speaker 2: do it. I'm going to take action as an individual,

644
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be a part of collective action

645
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: to make sure that our leaders, our businesses, our government,

646
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: our managing agencies are doing the right things too. So

647
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: that's on me, that's on you, that's on all of us,

648
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: and that's what I think success looks like for me,

649
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: and I'm going to work really hard to try to

650
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: make sure that's the case. Pickle, I appreciate your question.

651
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to move on to the second

652
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: phase of this conversation. For the sake of time, We've

653
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: got some hunting related questions, and I want to make sure

654
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: we tackle those two Neil asks, what region or state

655
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: that you would love to whitetail hunt have you not

656
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: yet gotten to Okay, right off the bat, Kansas jumps

657
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: out to me, I still haven't hunted Kansas. That's an

658
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: obvious one. I definitely still want to do that. It's,

659
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: you know, one of those states that's got two things

660
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: going for it in my book. Obviously, it's one of

661
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: those states that has a really great age structure, so

662
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: there's lots of mature bucks, lots of big bucks, lots

663
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: of that exciting kind of stuff that you get to

664
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: see in a state like that. But then number two,

665
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: it's got the terrain that I really like. I love

666
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: the grasslands, I love that open space, I love that

667
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: rolling topography. That's just like something I personally enjoy and

668
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: Kansas has that. So it combines those two things. I'm sure,

669
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure I would love that. So that's one. I'd

670
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: also love to get up into the far North and

671
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: hunt somewhere, you know in Canada. Uh, I've seen those

672
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: hunts up in Alberta or Manitoba, even Ontario that look

673
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: pretty cool to experience. I would like to do that

674
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: someday too. Tim asks, do you see the big buck

675
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: craze fading off and turning more into the wild unknown?

676
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: So I think what he's getting at here is, like,

677
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: you know, the obsession over antlers and big and big bucks,

678
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: you know, is that fading away? Is there more of

679
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: an interest now an adventure? And I do think that

680
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: that is that's happening to a degree. I think there's

681
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: always gonna be people that you know, love big Bucks

682
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: and chase big bucks and antler score and inches and

683
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: all that, and you know, I'm always gonna like that

684
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 2: stuff to a degree, I think a lot of folks will.

685
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty human to be impressed by big critters.

686
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: That is a natural thing that's been happening since the

687
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, since Cave art was being drawn and you

688
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: were seeing these big antler moose and elk and deer

689
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: on those you know, on those pictographs. That's a pretty

690
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: natural thing for us to be fascinated and excited by.

691
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: At the same time, though, I do think that, you know,

692
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: my own personal journey mirrors that of a lot of folks,

693
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: which is that at a certain point you realize that

694
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that much. Yeah, it's pretty darn cool,

695
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: but it doesn't make you special. If you kill the

696
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: big buck doesn't make you better than anybody else. If

697
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: you kill the hiding scoring buck certainly is not going

698
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: to make you a better dad or you know, person

699
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: at your career, or leader in your community or anything

700
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: like that. So it doesn't matter that much. And if

701
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 2: we are worshiping at that altar, it might be a

702
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: mistake at least That's what I've found in my own life.

703
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: And so yeah, for me, experiences and adventure have become

704
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: a bigger part of my criteria for what success and

705
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: enjoyment as a deer hunter looks like, and also like

706
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: sharing those experiences with people you love and people you

707
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: care about. So I think that's happening. I think more

708
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: and more people are getting turned off by the obsession

709
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: with antlers and that trophy hunting hysteria, and they're realizing, hey,

710
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: you know what, that's not all that matters either, and

711
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: they're returning to you know stuff like I just mentioned,

712
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: or like you mentioned, how do you do this in

713
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: a new way, How do you do this in a

714
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: new place, How do you challenge yourself in new ways.

715
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: How do you go deeper? How do you stretch the

716
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: bounds of what you define a deer hunt? You know,

717
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: maybe it's going on a float hunt. Maybe it's going

718
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: out and canoeing around a lake. Maybe it's traveling to

719
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: a new state and doing it with a traditional bow.

720
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: Maybe it's you know, just focusing on managing your property

721
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: to make sure there's not so many dos and you've

722
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: got a better age structure. Maybe it's just going out

723
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: there with their kids a lot. Maybe it's you know,

724
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: being a mentor to other new hunters. I don't know

725
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: what it is, but I do think that more and

726
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: more people are realizing that deer hunting success doesn't have

727
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: to mean one hundred and seventy inch bucks or whatever,

728
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: because that's a not realistic for ninety nine percent of us.

729
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: And b it really is a narrow view of what

730
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: deer hunting can be and really should be. It's such

731
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: a rich, amazing experience if we don't let ourselves get

732
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: obsessed and kind of pulled into this comparison culture of

733
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: trying to one up the next guy with antlers. For me,

734
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: it's been a really really good thing to step out

735
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: of that, and I think there's a lot of other

736
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: people that would probably benefit from that too. So that's

737
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: my take. Tom A. Bell asks after the TSI work

738
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: and putting in food plots at ken Roven, that's my

739
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 2: family deer camp. Have you seen an increase in deer

740
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: numbers this year and is there anything you would do

741
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: different or that you have plans for in the future. So, yeah,

742
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: many of you probably have seen over the last handful

743
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: of years that my family and I have been doing

744
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: work at our family deer camp. We carved out some opening,

745
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: some for food plots, some for just kind of like

746
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: betting areas and little wildlife openings to get some sunlight

747
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: on the floor. And we have seen positive benefits for sure.

748
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: Maybe not as much or as consistently as I like

749
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: as far as how that's impacted our hunting, but definitely

750
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: we've seen positive benefits. So we're talking pretty small scale

751
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: here still, right, there's only a there's really just a

752
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: ten acre chunk of our property that we can access

753
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: to make improvements. To this point, twenty acres of the

754
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: forty is just like untouchable swamp, and then the other

755
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: twenty sorry, the other ten is where the cabin is

756
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: and like right around there. So that's you know, we

757
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: haven't done anything there yet because it's so close to

758
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: where all of our human activity is and the worry

759
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: there is like if we improve that, well, then you're

760
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: just going to scare a deer away every time you

761
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: come outside the door, pull into the house or anything

762
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: like that. So we haven't touched that ten So there's

763
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: the one dry ten acres barles from the cabin where

764
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: we have done our efforts and there, you know, total,

765
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: there's there's two food plots. One is like an eighth acre,

766
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: one is maybe a half acre. And what they have

767
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: done for us is attractively a consistent dough family group

768
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: or two, probably one, but maybe sometimes there's two dough

769
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: family groups in the area now on a pretty consistent basis.

770
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: That's happening throughout the year. So you have that. You you know,

771
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: day after day after day there will be a group

772
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: of doughs probably somewhere in the area on these food sources.

773
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: And that was not the case in the past. We

774
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: would see deer very and frequently in the past. Now

775
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: like hey, there was a pretty good chance there's gonna

776
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: be some deer in the zone. We're just not seeing

777
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: consistent buck activity yet they're spending time somewhere else for

778
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 2: some other reason. There's better food, there's better habitats somewhere else.

779
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: We're like seeing zero buck activity until the rut till

780
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 2: like you know, late October, and then you'll start getting

781
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: those cruisers coming through checking those that dough family group

782
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 2: or two. So it's a start. It's been awesome. We've

783
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: seen more deer than we have in the past. We've

784
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: had you know, some mature bucks and encounters and opportunities

785
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: that are better than the past. So without a doubt

786
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: it has improved. I just think that if we want

787
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: to continue to see that reach the next level where

788
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: maybe we're seeing bucks on a consistent basis, that we're

789
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: gonna have to increase the scale of those improvements. So

790
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: increasing the size of those openings, increasing the size of

791
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: those food plots, maybe adding in more diversity to the

792
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: other chunk. Maybe that ten acres around the cabin we

793
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: could improve in some other way that can help without

794
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: you know, spooking deer with our activity. So that's stuff

795
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: that we're still thinking about, but it's been fun to

796
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: see that progress come into play. If any of you

797
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: saw my film that we put out last year that really,

798
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, highlighted this progress. My dad and I you know,

799
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: saw multiple bucks when hunting together, including two of the

800
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: biggest deer we've ever seen there. One of them was

801
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: an unbelievable I mean, you know, for you know, I

802
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: just talked about how antler sized and everything, and it's

803
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: not everything, but it is something. And we saw a

804
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: true one hundred and seventy inch buck in northern Michigan.

805
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: It was killed by a neighbor a few weeks later,

806
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: but unbelievable. Deer is incredible and that just never would

807
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: have been possible in the past, if you know, we

808
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: hadn't made these improvements. And also other neighbors have made

809
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: habitat improvements and I think that has helped the whole neighborhood.

810
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: So that's been really cool to see, fun to see

811
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: that progress and excited to see what happens next. Okay,

812
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: Andrew ask how much effort and how serious do you

813
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: take sen control? And what is your routine? And another

814
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: person asked a related question. They asked, do I spray

815
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: and hang my clothes? Another person asked about this when

816
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: it comes to their boots. They spray their boots and

817
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be helping. Are they doing it wrong?

818
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: I will say that my take on scent control has

819
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: changed a bit over the years. I for a long

820
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: time was very much in the camp of do every

821
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: single possible thing you can to minimize your scent. Do

822
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: it all. Why not? You know, you might as well

823
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: try your best. You might as well check every single

824
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: box and do every little one percent thing because all

825
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: those little one percent stack up and they can help.

826
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: And that is true. If you want to make sure

827
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: there's no chance, or at least as little chance as possible,

828
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: of being winded, then that can help a little bit.

829
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: But I do also see, you know, my buddy Klay

830
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: Newcomb has always made the case to me that you're

831
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: never going to win it. You're never going to fully

832
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: eliminate your scent. And that's true too. Even when I've

833
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: done everything, and I've used noxonics unit, and I've used

834
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: nose jammer, and I've sprayed stuff, and I've kept stuff

835
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: in a scent free tote and I've kept it outside.

836
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: I've done the scent free showers and the scent free

837
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: laundry and all of that. Even when you do all

838
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: of that, you're still getting winded a lot of the time,

839
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: you know, with that one hundred percent protocol, I would

840
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: say that maybe fifty percent of the time I get

841
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: away with not being winded, and then twenty five percent

842
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: of the time I get winded. But they're kind of like, eh,

843
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is. I don't like it,

844
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: and they just turn and walk away, but it's not

845
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: a full blown freak out. And then the other twenty

846
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: five percent, it's a full blown freak out, just like

847
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: any other time, as if I were doing nothing. So

848
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: one part of me says, hey, that's that's pretty good.

849
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: That's better than nothing. So for that reason, you to

850
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: do ith. I do understand though, why some people say,

851
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not gonna win it no matter what.

852
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 2: So I'm going to just not stress out so much

853
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 2: about all these things. I'm going to enjoy the hunt.

854
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear my long John's in the cabin and

855
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: not feel bad about it, and gonna go out there

856
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: and have a good time. And I'm gonna play the

857
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: wind smart and probably get away with just as much,

858
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: but without all the headaches and stress and anxiety that

859
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, old Mark would have about that, and I'm

860
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: kind of on the fence right now. I've done a

861
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: little bit of both in recent years, as I've tried

862
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: to you know, get back to you know, maybe not

863
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: being so obsessed with fill in tags and more, you know,

864
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: interested in the larger experience. As I've gone through that

865
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: personal transformation, I've also eased up a little bit on

866
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: some of this kind of OCD ness around send control.

867
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: I actually stopped using an ozonics unit this year, and

868
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: I did that not because I don't think it helps.

869
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: I do think it helps, but it's a you know,

870
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: for me, it became kind of pain in the butt

871
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: toting around this extra thing, having to screw it into

872
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: the tree. And then most of all, it's so darn noisy. Now.

873
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: I know there's newer models than I have that are

874
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: supposedly quieter, so maybe the new ones are better, but

875
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: the model that I have makes this loud, obnoxious, you know,

876
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: wind noise, blowing noise, fan noise up above your head,

877
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: and you can't actually hear the world around you. I

878
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: wanted to hear the birds. I want to hear the squirrels.

879
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: I want to hear the footsteps. One hundred yards away

880
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: as they slowly come my way. So this duy, I said,

881
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: screw it. I'm turning off the Ozonis. I'm leaving it

882
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: at home, and I'm just going to get out there

883
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: and hear again. And that's been really, really nice. And

884
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: I still kill the nice buck. I still killed some dose.

885
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: I still had a great time. So it's a personal

886
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: decision for everyone. I do think these things can help.

887
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: I do still spray nosejammer on my boots and on

888
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: the tree when I hunt. I think that gives me

889
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: a little boost that helps me out. A handful of

890
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: times a year I'll do that. It's not a huge inconvenience,

891
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: and I think it helps some I still keep my

892
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: stuff in scent free toast, i still do the scent

893
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: free showers, but I'm just not quite as obsessive about

894
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: it as I used to be. And as with a

895
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: lot in this hunting thing, I think it comes down

896
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: to balance and figuring out what you want out of it.

897
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: And if you don't want to be you know, this

898
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: stress and anxiety ridden O C D hunter, who's you know,

899
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: over the top about everything, that's okay. I think whatever

900
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: does it for you is just okay. On a related hunt,

901
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: I guess. JW says, you are a thoughtful and introspective type. Thanks.

902
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: Do you think you would still be advocating for hunt

903
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: your own hunt at this stage in your life if

904
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: you had never killed Frank? Okay? So okay, So that's

905
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: question number one. And question number two, this from another person,

906
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: but it's related, is from k C or ka CJ.

907
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: He says, what advice would you give to a new

908
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: hunter to help them avoid comparing their success with what

909
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: they see on social media and focusing on enjoying the

910
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: process instead. So these are related because my of advice

911
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: of hunter own hunt is pretty much what Casey just

912
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: said there, which is, you know, trying to enjoy your

913
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: own version of success rather than worrying about what everybody

914
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: else is doing. And so JW's question was, what I

915
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: still be pitching this hunter r own hunt thing at

916
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: this stage of my life if I had not killed Frank?

917
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 2: And Frank was, you know, the biggest deer I've ever killed.

918
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: I killed. He's like a Boon and Crockett class buck

919
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: that I killed in Michigan, I don't know, seven years

920
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: ago or something. And I think that, yeah, absolutely, I

921
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: don't think that that buck has changed my trajectory at all.

922
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: You know, I've killed the other big deer and those

923
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: are great, and I certainly have appreciated those hunts and

924
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: those experiences and those memories. They are amazing. But you know,

925
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: as I just mentioned, I've also realized that there's so

926
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 2: much more to it. And what I've realized is that, yeah,

927
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: I love chasing big deer, and I'm going to be

928
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: excited about them in the future, but there's all these

929
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: other things like my kids and my family and my

930
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 2: friends and those memories and going out and having lunch

931
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: with your buddies in the middle of the day and

932
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, being able to hear the squirrels in the

933
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: distance and doing you know, going on in wild adventures

934
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: and hunting in new places or trying out new methods.

935
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: All that stuff really matters too. And so yeah, I

936
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: think each and every one of us has a different definition,

937
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: and that definition will change throughout your life too. You know.

938
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: For me, when I was you know, you know, early twenties,

939
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: it was like, man, I want to kill a lot

940
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: of deer, and then it was how do I kill

941
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: the biggest deer? So I had to go through that

942
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: set of stages to where I am now, where I've realized, Okay,

943
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: I've kind of done it. I've proven to myself that

944
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: I can do it. I've learned how to do it.

945
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: You know, there's certainly ways I can do it better.

946
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: There's certainly growth I still have. But at the same time,

947
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: there's other ways to explore new edges of this. And

948
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: so that's how it's changed for me. Everyone's going to

949
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: have a different version. So yeah, I have two thousand percent.

950
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: Will continue to advocate to hunt your own hunt and

951
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: be okay with what that definition of success is for you.

952
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: If you are new to this, or if you are

953
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, getting into this and you've been into it

954
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: for a while, but you're starting to wonder, Man, is

955
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: this really what it's all cracked up to be? Or

956
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: is this vision of hunting that I see on social

957
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: media or YouTube? Is that what it's all chocked up

958
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: to be? Do I have to chase that? Or if

959
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: I want to be a deer hunter, do I have

960
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: to kill a big giant buck every year? I would

961
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: say no, Like, we gotta we gotta step away from this.

962
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: We've got to step away from what social media and

963
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: YouTube and TV shows all of it. What are what

964
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: they're feeding us? We need to my view, at least,

965
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: the way I've looked at this is try to, you know,

966
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: consume some of that if it's fun as entertainment, but

967
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: to not let that influence my experience, my goals, because

968
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: ultimately none of this matters. Nobody else cares really what

969
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: you kill or what you do. Maybe you'll get a

970
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: few more likes on social media, but that is so fleeting,

971
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: that is so trivial. In the end, we should be

972
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: doing this for ourselves, for our families, or our own

973
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: enjoyment and satisfaction and our freezers. All the rest is

974
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: outside noise. And if that outside noise is making you

975
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: feel bad about what you're doing, is stressing you out

976
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: about what you're doing, is making you feel shameful about

977
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: what you're doing, is in any way a negative on

978
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: your life, well then we've got it wrong because this

979
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: stuff does not matter. Like we are not saving the

980
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: world by killing big deer. So if it's not bringing

981
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: you enjoyment and satisfaction, it's a waste of time, and

982
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: it's probably dragging you down or your family down, and

983
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: keeping you from doing more important things. So I think

984
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: we've got to focus on doing this in the right

985
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: way for each of us as individuals and for our families,

986
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: and for whatever our personal values are. That's at least

987
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: the way I'm looking at it now, and how I

988
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: suppose I would recommend other folks who are kind of

989
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: wrestling with us right now too. And all that said,

990
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: there will be people out there who the right thing

991
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: for them at this stage of life is to chase big,

992
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: mature bucks, to try to challenge themselves, to do something hard,

993
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: to get that deer that's bigger or older than anything

994
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: they've gotten. And if that fills them with energy and

995
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: excitement and drive, man, more power to you. I don't

996
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: think there's anything wrong with that. The only thing I

997
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: would say there's something wrong with this is trying to

998
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: push that on somebody else or make somebody else feel bad.

999
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 2: If that's not what they are interested in. That would

1000
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: be my take. Noah asked, if I had to give

1001
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: up servid hunting for the next five years, what would

1002
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: fill up your time besides scouting? What are you hunting instead?

1003
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: In the fall? So servids would be like any kind

1004
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: of deer family animals, So white tails, mule deer, elk, moose, etc.

1005
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: So if I couldn't hunt any of that stuff for

1006
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: the next five years, how would I fill my time? Well,

1007
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 2: Number one, I would do a pile of fission would

1008
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: be fishing all fall. That's one thing I miss out

1009
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: on the fall is because I'm hunting so much, I

1010
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: don't go do the fall fishing thing. I would do

1011
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: a lot of that, and then I would probably get

1012
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: an upland bird hunting and waterfall hunting. That's something that

1013
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: I've always said, Oh, I'd love to do that some more.

1014
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: I've done it handful times, but really very very little experience.

1015
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: So that's something that I would get into. I'm sure

1016
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: I would enjoy that. So that would be the big

1017
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: thing I'd get into. A bird hunting, I would fish

1018
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: a ton, and I would go do some fall bear hunting.

1019
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: That would be a thing probably. I think I'd be

1020
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: interested in doing some more black bear hunting where we're relevant,

1021
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: So I think there would be no shortage of fun things.

1022
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: And you know, to this whole thing of you know,

1023
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: hunt your own hunt, diversity and experience is something that

1024
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm all of a sudden realizing has more and more

1025
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: value to me right now. So I'm excited to be

1026
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: chasing some new things. And so this is a question

1027
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: that's quite relevant to where I'm at personally. To Tanner

1028
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: asks what outdoor books do you recommend for young kids?

1029
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: So a really fun set of books that we recently

1030
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 2: discovered in my family are those by a guy named

1031
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: Kevin Lovegreen. He's got a bunch of short, relatively simple

1032
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: chapter books for kids that cover hunting and fishing stories

1033
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: and adventures. My son is seven, he's gonna turn eight,

1034
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: so seven eight years old here, and he is just

1035
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: eating these up. He's read each of he has five

1036
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: of them so far. He's got one about two different

1037
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: white tail hunting chapter books. One's a mule deer hunting book,

1038
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: ones a moose hunt. There might be one other one

1039
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: that I'm forgetting, but he's loving these stories. They're fun,

1040
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: they seem pretty wholesome, but they're out there doing hunting adventures,

1041
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: going on cool trips, doing cool stuff, and it's written

1042
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: in a way that seems, you know, pretty engaging to

1043
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: a seven or eight year old. I've heard that you know,

1044
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: these these are good for you know, I don't know, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

1045
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: twelve year old something like that, and he's also got

1046
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: a bunch of fishing ones which we've just ordered and

1047
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: will be those here soon too. So so far really

1048
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: enjoying Kevin Lovegreen would recommend those, And I don't know,

1049
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: maybe I've got to write some books like that in

1050
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 2: the future too, because I think there's a market there,

1051
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: there's a need for more books like that, And my

1052
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: wife keeps telling me that I should try that, So

1053
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: we'll see. Maybe in a decade or so, I'll try

1054
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: kids book two. Jake asked, when do you start shed hunting?

1055
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm in Isla and on private and do you use

1056
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: shed hunting more as important info to find sheds? Well,

1057
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: what's he saying? Is this more of a scouting mission

1058
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: or is it just to find sheds? So all right,

1059
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: so I typically start shed hunting. I view like February

1060
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: fifteenth as my start date. It's going to depend on

1061
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: where you are because snow cover is such a huge,

1062
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: you know, driver of this. If you've got tons of snow,

1063
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: then of course snowpack influences when you can start, because

1064
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: you're just not going to find them if they're all

1065
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 2: covered with snow. But all things being equal, I think

1066
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: a decent number of antlers at the ground by mid February,

1067
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: and then I usually go until about mid March. That's

1068
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: like my main month of shed hunting, where you've got

1069
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: enough antlers on the ground. The key thing is you

1070
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: don't want to start so soon and cover a bunch

1071
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: of ground and spook all the deer off your private

1072
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: land before the antlers on the ground. So if you go

1073
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: out there mid January and start pounding these places pretty quickly,

1074
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: you will push those deer away and they still have

1075
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: antlers on their heads, So you don't want to do that.

1076
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: You don't want to cover that ground until most of

1077
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: those antlers are down. Then it makes sense to get

1078
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: out there and start looking because even if you do

1079
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: spook some deer, the antlers are in the ground. There

1080
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: on the ground, you can search, and you've got an

1081
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: opportunity to find them now. On the flip side, you

1082
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: also don't want to wait too long because if you

1083
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: wait too long, well, those deer might shed their antlers

1084
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 2: and have them on the ground for weeks and weeks

1085
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: and then squirrels to them all up. Or maybe you've

1086
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: got shared permission and other guys have been out there

1087
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: and they've found all the antlers first, so you've got

1088
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: to find that middle ground. So, like I said, depending

1089
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: on snow melt, that mid February ish time period is

1090
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: usually when I get pretty serious about it. I'm very

1091
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: serious like that, you know, last few days of February

1092
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: through the first ten days of March, or still. If

1093
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: I had to pick one week, I'm going to pick,

1094
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: you know, March one through seven. That's my super bowl.

1095
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: But of course it's different region to region and based

1096
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: on snowfall, and as far as what it's doing for me,

1097
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: it's both. I definitely look at it as some scouting intel.

1098
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: But if you are trying to do both of them

1099
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 2: at a really high level, you'll do neither one of them.

1100
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: At a high level, you'll do kind of a credit

1101
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: job at both. So when I'm shed hunting, i am

1102
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: in one thousand percent shed mode. I'm really focusing on

1103
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: looking for antlers from different angles and directions, and I'm

1104
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: scanning on the ground, always very very focused on that.

1105
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: Any scouting information, it's it's incidental, excuse me, incidental. It's

1106
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of help here and there, but it's

1107
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: not my major thing. I will plan later trips back

1108
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: to these same places specifically to scout and then do

1109
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: that very well one thousand percent. That said, when you're

1110
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: out there, you do stumble on things that help from

1111
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: a scouting perspective. So the more time you're in the

1112
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: woods usually the better it's going to help you learn stuff. Okay,

1113
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: Steven asks, all right, hot topic here in Michigan, do

1114
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: you have any evidence based opinions on how we can

1115
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 2: fix our tag limits and issues such as one buck

1116
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: rules and such. There's several other questions from people related

1117
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: to things we could change with regulations in Michigan around

1118
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, should we have baitings, should we have a

1119
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: one buck thing, should we have two bucks, should we

1120
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: have earn a buck? Should we do all those different things?

1121
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: And then Jesse asks with well, I'll answer this one first.

1122
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: My suggestion for the state of Michigan would be too.

1123
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: I guess I will just say my personal opinion, like

1124
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: what I wish was the case was that we had

1125
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: a one buck lee in our state. And I've said

1126
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: this in the past and I'll say it again now.

1127
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: I think that this represents a win win for you.

1128
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: No matter who you are, there are some people who

1129
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: would like to be able to shoot whatever buck they see.

1130
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: There's folks to go out there. I want to shoot

1131
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: the first buck they see, or they say, hey, I'm

1132
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: just hunting for me. Why do I have to wait

1133
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: for a big buck. I want to shoot that spike

1134
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: or that forecorn or whatever, and nobody should tell me otherwise.

1135
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: My god given right to shoot whatever buck I want.

1136
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: And to that person, I say, yes it should be.

1137
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: If that's what you want to shoot, more power to you.

1138
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: I've got nothing wrong with that. If we had a

1139
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: one buck any buck situation in Michigan, this would allow

1140
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: them to do that. But there are also some people

1141
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: that say, hey, I wish we had better aide structure

1142
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: of bucks in Michigan. I wish we had older bucks.

1143
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: I wish we had a better balanced herd. I wish

1144
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: we were in a situation where I could see, you know,

1145
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: a big mature deer more frequently in Michigan. I wish

1146
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: it was more like Iowa or Ohio or Indiana. And

1147
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: to that person, I would say, well, guess what a

1148
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: one buck limit. While there's not an Antler point restriction

1149
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: on there or anything, this would help you do that

1150
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: because inherently, if we have only one buck tag instead

1151
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: of two buck tags in Michigan. This would force some

1152
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: people to make a decision, well, do I really want

1153
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: to shoot that little buck right now, because that would

1154
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: be the end of my buck hunting season. There's a

1155
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: lot of guys would say, I'm going to wait. I

1156
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: want to be out here a little longer. I want

1157
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: to see what else is out there. Currently, there's some

1158
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: people that will shoot the first buck they see and

1159
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: then get picky for the second one. This would force

1160
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: people to get a little bit more picky right out

1161
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: the gate, and so inevitably more young bucks will make

1162
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: it to older age classes. More bucks and older age

1163
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: classes will equal bigger deer for feed people, and so

1164
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: the people that care about that thing will have that opportunity,

1165
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: while the people that want the freedom to shoot any

1166
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: buck will still have that opportunity as well. Finally, I

1167
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: do think that a very important thing across the board,

1168
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: regardless of which camp you're in there, is that we

1169
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: need a better balanced What am I trying to say here,

1170
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: sex structure? I'm really struggling here to say the right thing.

1171
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: But basically, there's so many dos in Lower Michigan. In

1172
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: some parts of the state, there are way too many deer.

1173
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: Our managing agency has been preaching that we need to

1174
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: kill more. Does we need to kill more? Does we

1175
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: need to kill more? Does it's getting out of control?

1176
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: Hunter numbers are declining, deer populations are skyrocketing, and hunter

1177
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: impacts have not been able to keep pace. If we

1178
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: move to a one buck tag limit, now you have

1179
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: fewer people killing two bucks because you can't do that anymore.

1180
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: And instead, if you want to kill two deer, one

1181
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: of them has to be an ant list deer. So

1182
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: this should hypothetically increase our antler list harvest as well,

1183
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: which is the key thing to managing deer populations is

1184
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: we need to increase our antler list harvest, our dough harvest.

1185
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: So I'm no expert, I'm not a deer manager, I'm

1186
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: not a biologist. I could be completely off base on this.

1187
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: I trust our managing agencies and the biologists out there.

1188
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: I put my faith in them. But this one sure

1189
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense to me, and that would

1190
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: be my citizens take on how to do this now.

1191
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: Jesse has a follow up question, which is, with the

1192
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: right regulations in place in Michigan, how much better could

1193
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: it be compared to Iowa based off how much better

1194
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: habitat Michigan has for deer to thrive compared to Iowa.

1195
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: So I don't know if we would ever be better

1196
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: quote unquote better than Iowa. Iowa's got a lot of

1197
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: unique things going for it as far as like the

1198
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: culture of passing young deer there, the tradition of that,

1199
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: they have you know, season structures in place with very

1200
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: short gun seasons. They of course have you know, nutrient

1201
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: differences and the soil there that impact antler size and quality.

1202
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: There's genetics that could be influencing the size of deer

1203
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: there that have been in place for a long time.

1204
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: So all of those things have made Iowa very special.

1205
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: But you're right that Michigan does have a ton of

1206
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: quality deer habitat, probably more quality deer habitat than Iowa does.

1207
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: Iowa has food, but they lack cover. Michigan has a

1208
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: pretty good balance of both. So yeah, I think that

1209
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: if we had something like the one buck limit, like

1210
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: I mentioned, something like that, I do think we would see,

1211
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: you know, what folks would generally call the quality of

1212
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 2: deer improve dramatically. I think you saw that in Kentucky

1213
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: when they moved to a buck one buck limit. You

1214
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: saw that in Indiana when they moved to a one

1215
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: buck limit, and I think that could happen in Michigan too.

1216
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: So I think the key thing though, is that we've

1217
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: got to figure out a way that will work for

1218
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: Michigan's deer hunters and the political process in place that

1219
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, is kind of surrounding how regulations change in

1220
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: the state today. I don't know if that'll ever happen.

1221
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what that looks like, but but yeah,

1222
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: I think Michigan has room to go. We've got to

1223
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: manage the doors better. We need to tackle that issue.

1224
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: But if we can do that and maybe find a

1225
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: way to balance freedom of choice with what you shoot,

1226
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: but also improve the aide structure, maybe we can get

1227
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: to a win win that gives people that mature buck

1228
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 2: experience that Iowa uniquely has while still making this a

1229
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: great opportunity state too. So that's my Michigan take. Let

1230
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: me see, is there any more that I should tackle

1231
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: or should we wrap this one up? You know, Ron's

1232
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: got a question here about the boundary wires. I'm gonna

1233
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: circle back on public lands and conservation really quick and

1234
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: mentioned this just in case this is still relevant, Ron

1235
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: asks how can Representative Stobbers recent moves in Minnesota to

1236
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: use rules to overturn public land use restrictions be thwarted.

1237
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: So what he's talking about here is what's going on

1238
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: in the Boundary Waters, and he asked, basically, what can

1239
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: we do as citizens to stop this? And you know,

1240
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: how might this riple out to other parts of the country.

1241
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: So very quickly, if you have not been following media

1242
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: or myself on social media, if you haven't read the

1243
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: op ed that Steve Ranella and Callahan Ryan Callahan recently

1244
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 2: published talking about this, I want to give you a

1245
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 2: very quick cliff notes on a current event right now

1246
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: related to public lands, waters and wildlife that will influence

1247
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: a particular place in the short term, but could influence

1248
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: many other places across the nation in the long term.

1249
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: And this is the latest kind of addition of the

1250
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: Boundary Water's threat. You guys have heard me talk about

1251
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: this on the podcast over the years, I've traveled there

1252
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: from multiple hunting and fishing trips, I've detailed this current threat.

1253
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 2: So hopefully you know what's going on. I'm gonna give

1254
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: you the shortest cliff notes version of this that I

1255
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: possibly can. Here's the deal. There is a mine that

1256
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: has been proposed. This is a foreign owned mine that

1257
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: has been proposed right on the edge of the Boundary

1258
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: Waters Canoe Area wilderness. The Boundary Waters. Is this unbelievable

1259
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: wild place, more than a million acres, all these lakes

1260
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: and rivers and forests, untouched by roads and development. It

1261
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: is an epic place. There are moose and wolves and

1262
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: bears and deer and grouse, and tons and tons and

1263
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: tons of tons of fish. Amazing place, one of our

1264
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: greatest treasures, the greatest treasure probably of the Upper Great

1265
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 2: Lakes in the Midwest. It's the most visited wilderness area

1266
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: in the United States, and it's so accessible for a

1267
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: lot of us. So this is a special special place.

1268
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 2: This proposed mind would be right on the border of it,

1269
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: in upstream. So this kind of mind is a sulfide

1270
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: or copper mine is notoriously polluting. But this pollutant, if

1271
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: it were to get out, would get into that water

1272
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: system and it would flow up. It would flow up

1273
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: into the Boundary Waters and throughout it, polluting many waterways

1274
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 2: that are currently clean and intact and super important to fish.

1275
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: And wildlife. So that's why this mine has been opposed

1276
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: by the hunting and fishing community for a long long time. Now,

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Speaker 2: that's why we've talked about in the past, and what

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Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty three was that the government agreed

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Speaker 2: with this opposition and put in place a twenty year

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Speaker 2: mineral withdrawal that basically said, you can't put a mine

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Speaker 2: in this watershed that's so careful or that's so pristine

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Speaker 2: and fragile for the next twenty years. Can't do it. Well.

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Speaker 2: Right now, there's something taking place. Representative stobb Or out

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota is proposing using something called the Congressional Review

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Speaker 2: Act that would essentially remove that protection. It would remove

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Speaker 2: that mineral withdrawal, rescind that and open this place back

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Speaker 2: up to mining, and then it would allow for you know,

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Speaker 2: the Twin Metals mind to go in. That's a bad

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Speaker 2: thing in the short term of curse, of course, if

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Speaker 2: you care about the boundary waters. But the national implication

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Speaker 2: here is that if the Congressional Review Act were to

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Speaker 2: be used in this way, it would be the first

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Speaker 2: time that's ever been done, the first time that the

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Speaker 2: CIRA has been used to overturn a rule like this,

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Speaker 2: and if that were to be done, if that precedent

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Speaker 2: were you know, put in place, if all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Congress sees like, oh okay, we could do this. We

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Speaker 2: we use the CRA. We are able to vote on

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Speaker 2: this thing. It's a simple majority vote. There's no you know,

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 2: there's no ability for public input. There's you know, none

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Speaker 2: of the typical things that would happen with your usual

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Speaker 2: change in public land regulations or protections. If we can

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Speaker 2: do that with the CRA, we could do this not

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Speaker 2: just in the boundary wars, but we can do it

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Speaker 2: in Montana, we could do it in Michigan. We could

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01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: do it in anywhere else. And so this could be

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Speaker 2: replicated elsewhere if it works. And for that reason we

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Speaker 2: at meet her and many other people across the nation.

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Speaker 2: Other conservation groups are saying, hey, this one is when

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Speaker 2: we've got to stop. This is similar to how the

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Speaker 2: public lands sale last summer that would have set a

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Speaker 2: precedent for a new way to sell off public lands

1313
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Speaker 2: and to you know, divest us of our public land inheritance. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's another one where this could be a precedent setting

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Speaker 2: public land issue that could impact us in many other ways.

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Speaker 2: So for that reason, we've been asking folks to reach

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Speaker 2: out to their representatives. This is a House resolution, so

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01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: this is going to vote on the House floor, and

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: supposedly it's going to vote this week. Now, if you're

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Speaker 2: listening to this, when it comes out, it will be,

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Speaker 2: you know, Thursday, January twenty second, twenty twenty six. I've

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 2: heard the vote might be on Wednesday, So the vote

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Speaker 2: maybe has already happened before you're listening to this, but

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Speaker 2: maybe not. Maybe it's happening today on Thursday, the twenty second,

1325
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: or maybe it's Friday, or maybe next week. So if

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Speaker 2: it's already happened, I'm sorry, I'm a day late. Let's

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Speaker 2: make sure that we stop this, you know, at the

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Speaker 2: next stage. Let's stay on this. Let's make sure this

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Speaker 2: doesn't make it through any further. If it has not

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Speaker 2: happened on the House floor yet, then we need to

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01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 2: get a hold of our representatives still and sound the

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Speaker 2: alarm on this. This is not good public land policy.

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Speaker 2: This is not how decisions should be made. This is

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 2: not how protections or regulations or management should be adjusted.

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Speaker 2: So high level goes back to what I said at

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Speaker 2: the very beginning, comes down to making our voices heard

1337
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: with our elected officials, making those phone calls, making those emails.

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Speaker 2: Both backcountry hunters and anglers and sportsmen for the Boundary

1339
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Speaker 2: Waters have calls to action right now on this. They've

1340
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: got action emails that you can sign up onto that

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: automatically send them to your representative, so you can easily

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Speaker 2: do that by visiting either one of their websites. And

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Speaker 2: then I think again, it just comes down to doing

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: this consistently, talking to these folks over and over again,

1345
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Speaker 2: taking the five minutes every couple weeks or every month,

1346
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: whatever it is for you, and just saying, hey, this

1347
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 2: bounder ward's thing, that's an issue, or Hey, this whole

1348
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: public land sale thing, I'm not behind it, or hey,

1349
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: when it comes to the management of our wildlife, let's

1350
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: make sure we're listening to our biologists. Let's make sure

1351
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: we're listening to the wildlife experts, and not you know,

1352
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: having this as a vote by random people or politicians

1353
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: influencing these things. Whatever the thing is that you care

1354
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: about that you're concerned about, whatever that conservation issue or

1355
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: cause or place is, you've got to let your folks

1356
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 2: know that this matters to you. Help them understand the issue.

1357
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Speaker 2: In many cases, these elected officials don't know this stuff

1358
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: as well as you do. We typically, many cases know

1359
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 2: the specific issues or cause is better than some of

1360
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: these elected officials, and they're just voting because that's you know,

1361
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: some think tank is telling them to do that, or

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Speaker 2: their donors are telling them to do that. We can

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Speaker 2: be that other voice that helps bring some common sense

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Speaker 2: to the conversation. That's our opportunity, that's our obligation. That's

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Speaker 2: what I'm hoping we can continue to do more and

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Speaker 2: more going forward. So well, that said, that's going to

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Speaker 2: be it here for the Asking Me Anything episode. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you guys joining me. Thank you again for being

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Speaker 2: a part of the Wired to Hunt community. It's been

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Speaker 2: such an amazing ride over all these years. And as

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Speaker 2: I mentioned at the top, that ride's going to continue.

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Speaker 2: It's going to change a little bit. We're gonna have

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Speaker 2: some new voices, but it's only going to get better.

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Speaker 2: I feel really confident in that. I do think that

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Speaker 2: with this change and with some of these new projects

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Speaker 2: that we're going to be putting out, there's going to

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Speaker 2: be an emphasis even more here on Wired to Hunt.

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01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: On great whitetail content. So if you are here for

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01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 2: that whitetail stuff, Wired to Hunt is going to have

1380
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: more and more and more of that, and then there'll

1381
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: be these new places where you can continue to hear

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Speaker 2: me talk about some of these different things, like the conservation,

1383
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: like the public lands issues, like other wildlife issues. So

1384
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: if you're into both, you'll get to go to two

1385
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: different places to do that. If you're into just one

1386
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,839
Speaker 2: or the other, we're going to have separate appropriate homes

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Speaker 2: for that content. So hopefully you can get more of

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: what you really care about, get the information and the

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01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: education that's going to make you a better hunter or

1390
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: a better advocate, or hopefully a little bit of both.

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Speaker 2: So without any any more beating around the bush, and

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Speaker 2: we'll let you get after the rest of your day.

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01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 2: Thanks for being a part of this, Thanks for doing

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01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 2: that good work and calling your elected officials and getting

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 2: out there sharing the hunting and fishing lifestyle with your

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Speaker 2: friends and family. And until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.