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Speaker 2: Welcome in watch Driving the Great Episode two twenty one
Speaker 2: and First in Pod episode I'm Gonna Guess sixty four? Sure,
Speaker 2: so alongside me if you're watching on YouTube is Danny
Speaker 2: Parkins from The Score in Chicago, Andrew Philipponi from ninety
Speaker 2: three seven to the Fan in Pittsburgh, who also hosts
Speaker 2: the First In Pod podcast, And you might be listening
Speaker 2: to this on the First in Pod podcast feed. If
Speaker 2: you are and you don't know who I am, my
Speaker 2: name is Nick Wright. I host What's Right with Nick Wright,
Speaker 2: which is what you're watching on YouTube now potentially and
Speaker 2: also First Things First on FS one. So these gentlemen
Speaker 2: were at this bougie radio conference yesterday hobnobbing with radio celebrities.
Speaker 2: I was involved as well because my roots are radio.
Speaker 2: These gentlemen also are gonna be on First Things First
Speaker 2: today and so we are doing our first ever What's
Speaker 2: Right with Nick Wright First and Pod crossover episode. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give the audience a little recap of what First
Speaker 2: In Pod is. During the NFL season, they do two
Speaker 2: pods a week. The kind of catch line is every team,
Speaker 2: every week, every game, every team every week, every team
Speaker 2: every week, every game. They run through the entire league. So,
Speaker 2: with free agency kind of coming to a close, not
Speaker 2: done yet, but the you know, the first week is over,
Speaker 2: we are going to do that same thing here where
Speaker 2: we will touch on all thirty two teams, not necessarily
Speaker 2: in order of importance, but in order it occurred to us.
Speaker 2: And so Danny Andrew, thank you for joining us, and
Speaker 2: thank you for having me on the First In Pod feed,
Speaker 2: which people should subscribe to. As I've told the audience,
Speaker 2: it's my favorite weekly NFL pod during the off season's
Speaker 2: weekly during the season. Twice a week. Gentlemen, how's it going.
Speaker 3: It's great man, thank you for having us. I love
Speaker 3: this crossover idea. Yeah, it's like sharing the work burden.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it made up my life a
Speaker 2: lot easier this week, all right, So what I care about?
Speaker 2: As we were on our way home from quite an
Speaker 2: interesting dinner that Andrew Philipponi set up with maybe America's
Speaker 2: most prominent local talk radio host, Greg Gianatti, who had
Speaker 2: just takes on takes on takes. I thought we were
Speaker 2: gonna get thrown out of mister Chiles, my guy g
Speaker 2: O and Egan. I'm fine with him saying this. I
Speaker 2: think had eleven Greg Goo so is with a splash
Speaker 2: of kran. The splash of kran felt unnecessary, but I
Speaker 2: don't know when you're going a dozen drinks in. So
Speaker 2: that was a good night. On the way back from that,
Speaker 2: we found out that Keenan Allen had been traded to
Speaker 2: the Bears, which we'll get to in a moment, and
Speaker 2: that the Chiefs perfect offseason continues. Hollywood Brown, who listen.
Speaker 2: I don't want to overstate it because I don't think
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown is a great player. I think he has
Speaker 2: a lot of potential and high upside, but he was
Speaker 2: at worst the third best wide receiver that could be
Speaker 2: available in this free agency. Tell me if you disagree,
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, Michael Pittman, Hollywood Brown were the top three?
Speaker 2: Is there? You forgot Calvin Ridley? So okay.
Speaker 3: You can make a Darnell Mooney argument, like if Mooney
Speaker 3: went to the Chiefs, I think he would put up
Speaker 3: really good numbers.
Speaker 2: But so I think Hollywood Brown's better than Darnell Mooney. Ridley,
Speaker 2: You're right, I did leave him out, and so all right,
Speaker 2: so top four. The distinction is, of course, the Chiefs
Speaker 2: got him for one year, seven million bucks, which is perfect.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And this is this is the benefit to being the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: And I know that's I know people are irritated hearing it.
Speaker 2: There is. It is the opposite of a bad team tax.
Speaker 2: You get the great quarterback, compete for a super Bowl,
Speaker 2: try to rebuild my value discount. So while Chris Jones
Speaker 2: did not give them a hometown discount, I feel like
Speaker 2: one year seven million, I think, let me ask you, guys,
Speaker 2: this are the Chiefs the only team in the league
Speaker 2: that Hollywood Brown would play for for this contract one year,
Speaker 2: seven million bucks. It can be eleven million if he
Speaker 2: hits all his incentives. Is there another team in the
Speaker 2: league that he would agree to that contract for, because
Speaker 2: I say no, probably not.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, going to a high volume passing offense
Speaker 3: with a guy who's gonna throw the ball, you know,
Speaker 3: five hundred and six hundred times. You know, Buffalo would
Speaker 3: be interesting. Cincinnati would be interesting.
Speaker 2: But Cincinnati the Higgins is going to play on the
Speaker 2: franchise tag.
Speaker 3: There though no question about it. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: like going going to it's an elite quarterback thing. If
Speaker 3: he's trying to sign a one year deal and for
Speaker 3: the Chiefs, I agree with you. There's no bad one
Speaker 3: year deal in the NFL. You just would go. He
Speaker 3: would rank it Chiefs. And then after that some of
Speaker 3: the teams that I mentioned. So you want to go,
Speaker 3: you want to go to the best quarterbacks possible.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned Buffalo. Do we think Curtis Samuel is
Speaker 2: a better player than Hollywood Brown?
Speaker 3: Better?
Speaker 2: Equivalent worse? I would say a touch worse. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what I would say. Yeah, Curtis Samuel is just signed
Speaker 2: with Buffalo for three years, twenty four million, fifteen million guaranteed.
Speaker 2: Point that I'm making there is. I don't think people
Speaker 2: are giving Buffalo. I don't think there is a Josh
Speaker 2: Allen Buffalo Bill's discount. I don't think they've earned like
Speaker 2: I don't think I think that people are excited to
Speaker 2: play with him, and I think there is. You know,
Speaker 2: it makes it an attractive place. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that they got Curtis Samuel on a bargain. I think
Speaker 2: that that is kind of paying one hundred cents on
Speaker 2: the dollar for a player of Curtis's caliber, which is
Speaker 2: that is not an expensive contract, but two three year
Speaker 2: deal where the first two years are guaranteed. And I
Speaker 2: don't know that this means Hollywood Brown as a Chief
Speaker 2: in two years, but it means that they now and
Speaker 2: this is why I think it's such an important move,
Speaker 2: and then we can move on. The Chiefs because of
Speaker 2: this move, don't have any position they must use the
Speaker 2: thirty second pick on. If they had signed no receivers,
Speaker 2: then you almost are mandated to use that pick, the
Speaker 2: thirty second pick on a wide receiver. Now, pony, I
Speaker 2: think they could draft the tackle there. I think they
Speaker 2: could draft the receiver there. I also think they could
Speaker 2: draft a d tackle or a corner there, the corner
Speaker 2: because they think they're gonna lose need detackle because they
Speaker 2: haven't drafted any d tackles since my home has been
Speaker 2: drafted in the first five rounds, and Chris Jones getting
Speaker 2: older even with the extension. Truly, I know it sounds
Speaker 2: gluche They truly can just go best player available for me,
Speaker 2: like I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't look at Brown as the type of move
Speaker 4: that changes how I feel about them if they if
Speaker 4: they don't make the Brown signing, I still think they're
Speaker 4: the best team in the NFL. Right But so here's
Speaker 4: but here's what I want to ask you. So you
Speaker 4: said it's been the perfect offseason for them so far.
Speaker 4: What what has to happen with Snead to keep that going?
Speaker 2: Well? I think that right now it's six one a
Speaker 2: half dozen the other I think that they've made it
Speaker 2: clear they are not trading him for anything worse than
Speaker 2: a top forty pick. Do you think they will at
Speaker 2: this point? I do not.
Speaker 4: You think he'll play on the tag, yes, so, I
Speaker 4: think that it won't be a distraction about it. He'll
Speaker 4: show up the first week. There's no hold in, there's
Speaker 4: no Chris Jones carried into the season. He's a good song,
Speaker 4: He's going for a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I don't know that he'll show up
Speaker 2: when you say first week of the offseason. I don't
Speaker 2: think that, but I do. I think he would miss
Speaker 2: a game. No, because the thing that distinction between Sneid
Speaker 2: and Chris Jones was Chris Jones was finishing his second
Speaker 2: contract after being I think a second second round pick,
Speaker 2: and he was on a four year, eighty million dollar
Speaker 2: in the last year of it. Sneid was a fourth
Speaker 2: round pick who's never made any money. And listen, I
Speaker 2: love Sneid and I hope at some point he gets paid,
Speaker 2: either by the Chiefs or by someone else. But this
Speaker 2: one year, twenty million dollar franchise tag is four x
Speaker 2: what he has made cumulatively in his career. Every game
Speaker 2: he plays under the tag, he makes more money than
Speaker 2: he had made in any year of the NFL. So
Speaker 2: him missing a game I don't think is going to happen.
Speaker 2: And so there was I had hope is the wrong word,
Speaker 2: because I'm fine with him playing on the tag. I
Speaker 2: thought Detroit at twenty nine was I thought that made
Speaker 2: a lot of sense for both teams. But when Detroit
Speaker 2: then trades for Carlton Davis, to me, it makes it
Speaker 2: less likely and they become more likely they're gonna use
Speaker 2: that twenty nine picked a trade for someone that T Higgins,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the other franchise tag option
Speaker 2: is more likely. Okay, that's enough Chiefs here, because again
Speaker 2: that while this is what's right, it's also first in pod. Now,
Speaker 2: Danny to your team.
Speaker 3: Now we're talking about an NFC powerhouse.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's goot, let's get into it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, they had all this cap space, they
Speaker 3: the third most cap position of any team in the league,
Speaker 3: and the moves that they made were seemingly like they
Speaker 3: were you know, secondary or tertiary players. Kevin Byerd free safety,
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift running back, trade for Ryan Bates, sixth offensive linemen,
Speaker 3: maybe potential starter Simone Biles's husband, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just it was like, what what are they waiting for?
Speaker 3: What are they going to use the money on? They
Speaker 3: need to upgrade? They had needed Ed Rusher. People thought
Speaker 3: danil Hunter. They still could use an Elite three three tech.
Speaker 3: I was thinking Christian Wilkins was a possibility. But it's
Speaker 3: why you got to be patient, and you got to
Speaker 3: not only know your own roster, I got to know
Speaker 3: the rest of the league. A fourth round pick for
Speaker 3: one year of Keenan Allen, who yes, will be thirty
Speaker 3: two by the time the season starts, and he missed
Speaker 3: four games this past year. In the thirteen games that
Speaker 3: he played, he was simply excellent. He's a six time
Speaker 3: pro bowler. And now that offense with Dj Moore, Keenan
Speaker 3: Allen cole comet assume to be significant upgrade at quarterback
Speaker 3: with Kleb Williams and whatever they choose to do with
Speaker 3: the ninth pick, whether it is an edge rusher, whether
Speaker 3: it's trade down a little bit and target Rock Boers
Speaker 3: or if a Doomsay or somehow Malik Neighbors falls, truly
Speaker 3: investing and turning them into arguably the best receiving core
Speaker 3: in the league. If you had a first round pick
Speaker 3: receiver at nine. The Bears are stacked to have the
Speaker 3: best offense that they've had in my lifetime.
Speaker 4: So did you think, seriously, well, you just don't see
Speaker 4: teams who are going to start a rookie quarterback make
Speaker 4: one year short term invest in this moment, the right
Speaker 4: now moves like this.
Speaker 2: Well, if you think the investment is more the money
Speaker 2: or theft pick they gave up.
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying you're making a deal for Keenan Allen
Speaker 4: with no expectation or guarantee that he's gonna be with
Speaker 4: you beyond Caleb Williams first rookie year.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know yet. Like they could rework the
Speaker 3: contract and sign them to an extension to lower the
Speaker 3: cap hit for this year.
Speaker 2: I think I think that would be a mistake. I
Speaker 2: think that the cause. So I agree with a lot
Speaker 2: of Danny's optimism on the Bears, a lot of it.
Speaker 2: I think that that division, while the Packers are good
Speaker 2: and the Lions are very good, the division doesn't have it,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, a juggernaut. The NFC obviously is the
Speaker 2: weaker of the two conferences, and the Bears won seven
Speaker 2: games last year. People have to be reminded constantly they
Speaker 2: have the number one pick because Carolina was terrible, not
Speaker 2: because they were terrible. Where the trepidation comes in is
Speaker 2: the exercise we did yesterday, you know, around midnight when
Speaker 2: we got back to my house, which was thirty two
Speaker 2: year old receivers in the league last year. I just
Speaker 2: threw it out there and I said, how many do
Speaker 2: we think had five hundred yards? And the answer to
Speaker 2: that question ended up being Adam Thielen, who had one
Speaker 2: thousand yards. And that's it. The thirty two plus year
Speaker 2: old receivers last year were the following people. Marquis Goodwin
Speaker 2: sixty seven yards, Marvin Jones thirty five yards, Randall Cobb
Speaker 2: thirty nine yards, Adam Thielen, who I mentioned, Julio Jones
Speaker 2: seventy four yards. And that's the list. And so the
Speaker 2: concern is that, you know what I mean that that position,
Speaker 2: that age, what is he going to have left? I
Speaker 2: don't mind, but I say all that to say this,
Speaker 2: because it's not an extension. If they give him an
Speaker 2: extension reworked the deal, I will feel differently. Andrew for
Speaker 2: one year, I don't mind it. Andrews, support Caleb as
Speaker 2: much as possible and give him the best thing.
Speaker 4: I'm just surprised that a team that isn't closer to
Speaker 4: winning didn't try to make a one year deal work
Speaker 4: with Alan.
Speaker 3: That's but it takes a unique set of circumstance because
Speaker 3: of his cap had You gotta have the cap space.
Speaker 3: The Chargers asked him to restructure the money down to
Speaker 3: help them out. He said no, they traded him. So
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm with you on the thirty two year
Speaker 3: old things just real quick. Twelve hundred yards, one hundred
Speaker 3: and eight catches and seven touchdowns.
Speaker 4: And I think his game, I think his style of
Speaker 4: play age as well. He's not a guy that to
Speaker 4: me is like he needs to be a physical freak
Speaker 4: or you know, speed merchant in order to make plays.
Speaker 2: No, he's a technician, right. He oddly has like some
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey similarities to him, and Kelsey is thirty four
Speaker 2: and had a great almost at that.
Speaker 4: For me, he's like a souped up version of Keenan McCardell,
Speaker 4: who played into his thirties and had that same style
Speaker 4: of play. Let me ask you this, though, you said
Speaker 4: that this is a unique situation. The ceiling for rookie
Speaker 4: quarterback situations in terms of how far you can go
Speaker 4: with them, would be a championship game, right, conference championship game.
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco, Baltimore Sanchez, New York, Purty, San Francisco.
Speaker 2: How far away from like.
Speaker 4: You say, this is a you know, unbelievable a quarterback
Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback is not do you think that that's
Speaker 4: actually in.
Speaker 3: I don't see why not the I mean, I honestly
Speaker 3: I don't see why not. Why why couldn't the Bears
Speaker 3: win eleven games this year?
Speaker 2: So I think winning eleven games is probably more likely
Speaker 2: than being in the NFC title Game. But right now,
Speaker 2: this moment, my my. If if you said all the
Speaker 2: outcomes are available, pick the one that you think is
Speaker 2: most likely, I think it is more. I think the
Speaker 2: most likely outcome is a wild card berth and a
Speaker 2: loss in Round one. Great season, which would be a
Speaker 2: great season. It would be, and it would be it
Speaker 2: would feel better. I think. Tell me if I'm wrong, Danny,
Speaker 2: then this when you had that with Mitch Trubisky or
Speaker 2: when you had that previously, because it would feel like
Speaker 2: because of the quarterback, that is something to truly build on.
Speaker 2: So I guess what I just described there is what
Speaker 2: Houston just have, CJ. I think that is. I think
Speaker 2: that is a realistic expectation for the Chicago Bears this year.
Speaker 3: And the Bears defense is good.
Speaker 2: I think you overstate how good it is.
Speaker 3: Okay, they they got better as the year went on,
Speaker 3: as they got healthier. They have an elite player at
Speaker 3: all three levels of the defense. They've got a lot
Speaker 3: of young talent. They had Jalen Johnson wall pro corner,
Speaker 3: they have Tremaine Edmonds, who's one of the best coverage
Speaker 3: linebackers in the NFL, and they have Montese Sweat.
Speaker 2: I think calling Montes and Tremaine elite lowers the bar
Speaker 2: for elite. For me paid their elite the I don't
Speaker 2: know that Montes is getting paid like he's.
Speaker 3: Elite, is getting he got a big contract.
Speaker 2: Well what's the contract? Because I think he's getting paid
Speaker 2: like he's the tenth best guy, which is the Maybe
Speaker 2: that's a tier down from elite, then yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: I'm okay.
Speaker 3: They have a very good upper echelon player at all
Speaker 3: three levels of the defense, plus four.
Speaker 2: For ninety eight.
Speaker 4: I'm just if I were in your shoes, I would
Speaker 4: just be incensed that they prioritized carrying momentum over with
Speaker 4: the defense instead of let's get a head coach in
Speaker 4: here who's gonna optimize.
Speaker 3: That's almost a different discussion. Is it is a different discussion?
Speaker 3: It was a fork in the road.
Speaker 4: I actually think it is though, because if we're talking
Speaker 4: about what they can do this year. Obviously, a lot
Speaker 4: of it is can Caleb Williams have a season that's
Speaker 4: similar to what c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud had last year?
Speaker 4: And I think without that coaching infrastructure, I have doubts
Speaker 4: about that happening right off the back.
Speaker 3: But nobody would have said. Nobody would have said that
Speaker 3: Bobby Slowick was going to be the key to unlocking
Speaker 3: c J. Stroud last year. He's special.
Speaker 2: So you no, that's and is Slowly and tell the
Speaker 2: audience to the Bears new offensive coordinat.
Speaker 3: Shane Waldron, the guy, the guy from Seattle who helped
Speaker 3: Gino Smith have the breakout season two years ago.
Speaker 2: So the reason I mentioned that is Slowick was a
Speaker 2: total unknown, which to me allows for maybe a little
Speaker 2: more look at the coaching tree. He came from the
Speaker 2: well and just because we hadn't we have seen Shane
Speaker 2: Waldron be in now the higher floor as well than
Speaker 2: a guy that's totally unknown. But we listen, if we're
Speaker 2: gonna do every team, yeah we did twenty minutes. We've
Speaker 2: done two teams, which means right now we're on pace
Speaker 2: for a ten hour pod and that's not gonna work
Speaker 2: all right, So let's go now to the Steelers and
Speaker 2: then we can hit the rest of the leak.
Speaker 3: We'll go faster.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, They've never had a free agency period that's been
Speaker 4: this eventful. This is the most interesting start to an offseason.
Speaker 4: They're the type of team that would for years mock
Speaker 4: the teams that spent a lot of money and made
Speaker 4: the big moves this time of year, and now they've
Speaker 4: become one, which I think is fascinating. So so Wilson, Patrick, Queen,
Speaker 4: you trade Deontay Johnson. I mean it's just they've never
Speaker 4: had a Floria moves like.
Speaker 2: Can you explain the Deontay Johnson trade? Yes?
Speaker 4: Uh, they didn't want him around. They wanted nothing to
Speaker 4: do with the guy.
Speaker 2: So wait, I thought, So they have two malcontent wide receivers. Yep. Okay,
Speaker 2: so is there what's Tomblin?
Speaker 4: The great players coach has fostered a wide receiver room
Speaker 4: where he has complete knuckleheads and eight.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 4: Okay, so they traffic in that they live in that
Speaker 4: Chase claypool.
Speaker 2: Uh by Antonio Brown? Yes, okay, So the what is
Speaker 2: we just did this with Chicago, We'll do it with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: What is the realistic ceiling for the steel They have
Speaker 2: to win a playoff game, win a player. They have
Speaker 2: to They've gone seven years without one. So but that's
Speaker 2: the that's what you're saying. You think they need to
Speaker 2: do in order to keep the status quo. Do you
Speaker 2: think that's really do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 4: I don't think they need I think they'll keep the
Speaker 4: status quot if they go six and eleven. I don't
Speaker 4: think things will change.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right?
Speaker 4: The coaches like a pope or a Supreme Court justice,
Speaker 4: they never change them.
Speaker 2: You know I'm right about that? Okay? All right? Uh
Speaker 2: do you are? Are you? If? People? Again, first, some
Speaker 2: pod folks know this, what's right? People might not. At
Speaker 2: the same time that I got the never a doubt tattoo,
Speaker 2: Andrew Philipponi got right on his hip Canny Pickett's face.
Speaker 2: And actually my ass and he now is well, I'll
Speaker 2: just ask you, yep, your optimism on Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4: Uh cautiously optimistic, decently high, okay, not bad so that
Speaker 4: I feel better about their quarterback situation now than I
Speaker 4: did a week ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, And isn't that fair?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 3: He I mean Russell Wilson is better than Mason Rudolph
Speaker 3: and Kenny Pickett. That is my orders of magnitude though.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he is what percent to be the Week
Speaker 2: one starter ninety nine point nine. Okay, so it's not
Speaker 2: a competition, No, it's okay, Well I'm asking you. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: For a million, I think Russell Wilson if he lost
Speaker 4: that competition, he would either ask to be released and
Speaker 4: traded to a team that maybe lost a quarterback because
Speaker 4: of injury, or just fade off into the sunset and
Speaker 4: not play football anymore.
Speaker 2: Wait, is it actually his den for money?
Speaker 3: Is it even being framed as a competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's because if they use the first round
Speaker 2: pick on Picket, I understand, yah, and they still have
Speaker 2: a bigger investment. And because Pickett is they have him
Speaker 2: under contract for another year and they don't run.
Speaker 4: I think the biggest misconception is that it has to
Speaker 4: be one or the other. Now you have to start
Speaker 4: with Wilson. But I don't think that starting the season
Speaker 4: with Russell Wilson means we won't see Kenny Pickett ever again.
Speaker 4: If Russ gets off to a bumpy start or stinks,
Speaker 4: you bench him and you have like a ten or
Speaker 4: eleven game runway to see what Kenny Pickett is. You
Speaker 4: kill two birds with one stone, Okay, so that I
Speaker 4: mean it's a one year, one point two million dollar investment.
Speaker 4: You can achieve both.
Speaker 2: So I yeah, So I think that is real highly
Speaker 2: on the board of potential outcomes. I think that's high.
Speaker 2: That Russell Wilson is the starter, that he is the
Speaker 2: guy and then he gets deposed because of poor play.
Speaker 2: Because we are again, Russell Wilson's first nine years of
Speaker 2: his career, every year played every game, every year, the
Speaker 2: team had a winning record three years in a row.
Speaker 2: Now Russell Wilson has missed time two of the years
Speaker 2: due to injury, one year because he got benched, and
Speaker 2: they've been below five hundred. So we are we are
Speaker 2: getting approaching a full presidential term since the last time.
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson was the guy that people some people seem
Speaker 2: to want to believe he still is, and so I
Speaker 2: don't think he has a lot of leash. And the
Speaker 2: one thing I want to say about is a contract
Speaker 2: and then we'll do the rest of the league. I
Speaker 2: understand the one point two million makes sense for the
Speaker 2: Steelers ticket to the Broncos, he gets the same amount
Speaker 2: of money, no matter what. With that, said Russell Wilson, unequivocally,
Speaker 2: if it were out there, would have preferred one point
Speaker 2: two million this year with a substantial amount of money
Speaker 2: next year tacked onto a contract because that doesn't impact
Speaker 2: what Denver pays him, and it gives him security. It's
Speaker 2: very clear to me no team in the league was
Speaker 2: willing to give him that. So this idea that, oh,
Speaker 2: he's only making the million because of the Denver situation,
Speaker 2: and that's true, but he's on a one year deal
Speaker 2: because no one else wanted to.
Speaker 4: But hold on, I don't think we know that. I
Speaker 4: think we know that no team would give him thirty
Speaker 4: million dollars a year in year two. How do we
Speaker 4: know that a team?
Speaker 2: How do we know that?
Speaker 4: The Steelers didn't say to him, will give you a
Speaker 4: second year that's like a fifteen million dollars salary, And
Speaker 4: he said no, I'd rather bet on myself.
Speaker 2: See how it goes. I guess that's possible to get
Speaker 2: the Baker Mayfield contract, right, sure? Okay, if in that regard,
Speaker 2: I guess that's possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's made it a gazillion dollars. So
Speaker 3: he's going to bet on himself to be starting quarterback
Speaker 3: next year. And that's a ton of money.
Speaker 4: All right, what's the next So the next team we
Speaker 4: have here is Denver. And here's why I have the Broncos.
Speaker 4: After this we just talked about Wilson. Are they the
Speaker 4: last team left for Fields?
Speaker 3: It feels like they're the only place where he could
Speaker 3: start tomorrow, for sure, if he just showed up. But
Speaker 3: they don't have a lot of draft capital because of
Speaker 3: the Russell Wilson thing and because of the Sean Payton.
Speaker 4: I don't think you need a lot of draft capital
Speaker 4: to give Fields at this point.
Speaker 3: I don't either, but you still to. You need to
Speaker 3: give up something. And if you're trading for Justin Fields,
Speaker 3: it's only two point three million dollars or whatever it
Speaker 3: is for this season. But are they gonna bet on
Speaker 3: We're gonna trade for him, not pick up the fifth
Speaker 3: year option. He's better than Jarrett Stidham and he leaves.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he's third offense in four years.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is the one time we do this. I'll
Speaker 4: end up saying something that's really dumb. Chances are good,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm under the impression that Peyton wants no part
Speaker 4: of that. I don't think Peyton wants justin fields at all.
Speaker 4: I think he is zero interest in doing that.
Speaker 2: So that's also I just think Sean pate what I've heard, well,
Speaker 2: so this isn't based on anything I've heard. This is
Speaker 2: just based on you know, knowing what I know about
Speaker 2: Sean Payton and my gut intuition. I think he wants
Speaker 2: to have a more traditional quarter. People say, oh, he
Speaker 2: loved Taysom Hill. I brought that up up, but that's
Speaker 2: I think that's misleading. Almost he liked Taysom Hill as
Speaker 2: an element of the team. And I also think with
Speaker 2: respect to Sean, he liked the idea that if Taysom
Speaker 2: Hill turns into something, the amount of credit and love
Speaker 2: I will get for building this guy.
Speaker 3: And he was like the toy that was there that
Speaker 3: you could play with it. It wasn't like a six
Speaker 3: month offseason journey to seek out Taysom Hill. He was right.
Speaker 3: He was there with Jamis and other guys, and he
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, I can try to tays Some Hill.
Speaker 2: So why would the Giants not be involved they?
Speaker 3: I mean, I wrote I was working on a list
Speaker 3: of teams like, he's better than Daniel Jones and Drew
Speaker 3: lock He's better than Will Levis, He's better than Jared Stidham.
Speaker 3: He's better than Sam Darnold, though obviously we'll get to
Speaker 3: them in terms of what they just traded for. He
Speaker 3: has certainly more upside than Gardner Minshew. There are teams
Speaker 3: where if Justin Fields was a free agent right now,
Speaker 3: I think that the Giants would have signed him over
Speaker 3: Drew lock and let him compete with Daniel Jones, no
Speaker 3: question about it. But with Drew Lockett just cost you money.
Speaker 3: This it does cost you a draft pick and money.
Speaker 2: So since we're John Broncos, we'll leave it here. I
Speaker 2: one thing that happened that I found interesting is, and
Speaker 2: I think it's actually smart. So Russell Wilson's eighty five
Speaker 2: million dollars dead cap hit. They could have split it
Speaker 2: up to where it was the majority of that hit
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five cap and less hit this year.
Speaker 2: They did it the opposite way, where the majority hits
Speaker 2: now this coming season unless hits the following year. I
Speaker 2: think that is smart. I think that's the right call.
Speaker 2: I also think it speaks to the fact I think
Speaker 2: Sean Payton might be looking at this year as a
Speaker 2: retool rebuild. They'll be awful and you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and try to hit the ground running in year three
Speaker 2: of his time there, which I think is the right move.
Speaker 2: I think if the Broncos they're drafting twelve, I think
Speaker 2: if the Broncos all of a sudden take the little
Speaker 2: draft capital they have, try to move up, you know,
Speaker 2: and try to do things so they can target JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy or Jayden. If he Jayden, I wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: terrible idea, but I think that would be a mistake.
Speaker 2: I think the Broncos have to take a longer view
Speaker 2: of it, which is why you're hearing names like Zach
Speaker 2: Wilson attached to him. It also that also is an
Speaker 2: argument for them to take a flyer on Justin Fields.
Speaker 2: But I just don't think Sean Payton and Justin Fields
Speaker 2: are gonna be on the same team. All right, Do
Speaker 2: we want to go ahead? Dan?
Speaker 3: Let mean, let's just get to get into some of
Speaker 3: these teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right. You mentioned Curtis Samuel for the Bills. What do
Speaker 3: we think of the situation there an out wide receiver?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that we have to be honest
Speaker 2: about who Stefan Diggs is right now. So Stefan Diggs
Speaker 2: guy who fell off a cliff in the second half
Speaker 2: of the season, right and.
Speaker 3: I was not targeted, was not trusted.
Speaker 2: But I the amount with which he fell off the
Speaker 2: cliff I think has been underrated by the national media.
Speaker 2: The first six games of last year, Stefan Diggs in
Speaker 2: six games had forty nine catches, six hundred and twenty yards,
Speaker 2: and five touchdowns, So we averaged over one hundred yards,
Speaker 2: nine catches and nearly a touchdown. Again, so six twenty
Speaker 2: and five. The final eleven games of last year he
Speaker 2: had five hundred and sixty yards, so fewer yards in
Speaker 2: the final eleven than the first six and three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: And then in the playoff run he had a total
Speaker 2: of seventy three yards and zero touchdowns. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of questions with Diggs, which is the new offense,
Speaker 2: how much do they value him? Did he hit a wall?
Speaker 2: All of those things. Now, I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: big difference between Curtis Samuel and Gabe Davis, so I
Speaker 2: don't think there's a huge drop off there. But my
Speaker 2: big take on the Bills is very simple, and I
Speaker 2: want to know where you guys stand on it. The
Speaker 2: only reason the Buffalo Bills are scary is because they
Speaker 2: have Josh Allen and the idea that their path forward
Speaker 2: is to minimize, to lower Josh Allen's ceiling, because they're
Speaker 2: afraid of the mistakes that lucks you into being just
Speaker 2: a team. You have to be like God dogget man.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be year six for him? Is that right?
Speaker 2: He was drafted one year after Mahomes. I think this
Speaker 2: is year six for him. Eighteen, this year seven for him,
Speaker 2: because this is year eight for Mahomes. Grow up, give
Speaker 2: us the upside without the cartoonish mistakes. That's the only
Speaker 2: way we can be great. But they changed to that point.
Speaker 4: One of the most underrated stories in the NFL last
Speaker 4: year was when they fired Dorsey McDermott forced onto that
Speaker 4: team a very run first.
Speaker 2: Year, and I puts a ceiling on I agree with that.
Speaker 4: But what I wonder is now that Brady is the
Speaker 4: full time offensive coordinator, is he allowed to expand the offense?
Speaker 2: Was that a byproduct of.
Speaker 4: Them needing to make the playoffs last year or is
Speaker 4: that who the Bills are this year, and if that's
Speaker 4: who the Bills are this year, if they're just gonna
Speaker 4: carry over that offense this year, my prediction is they
Speaker 4: will maybe miss the playoffs and Sean McDermott will get
Speaker 4: fired at the end of the year and somebody like
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick will be their coach next season.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like listen that. I think all of that
Speaker 2: was interesting. I also think the other element for the
Speaker 2: Bills is you asked about their offense and the receivers
Speaker 2: they are going to be for the first time of
Speaker 2: this era and average at best. Defense. You cannot draft
Speaker 2: as poorly as they have and have the lack of
Speaker 2: and the free agency losses that they had and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden be a real defense the way they've been,
Speaker 2: so they are going to need Danny to have a
Speaker 2: great offense just to compete. They will.
Speaker 3: I don't think the idea of more balance for Buffalo
Speaker 3: is a bad thing, though I know I'm the highest
Speaker 3: one on Josh Allen here. But with Herbert, with the Chargers,
Speaker 3: they hire Harbaugh, they hire Greg Roman. Why are they
Speaker 3: hiring Greg Roman? How are you gonna help Justin Herbert?
Speaker 3: He's all about running games like giving Justin Herbert. A
Speaker 3: running game would help Justin Herbert a lot, giving Josh
Speaker 3: Allen some balance so he doesn't have to be eighty
Speaker 3: five percent of the offensive production week in and week out.
Speaker 3: That should help reduce the mistakes because he doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be throwing every third and two.
Speaker 4: All Right, we gotta keep Falcons Vikings, Kirk Cousins trade
Speaker 4: fallout and what that caused Minnesota to do with the
Speaker 4: trade with Houston.
Speaker 3: So I think Atlanta is I get why they are
Speaker 3: an odds on even money favorite in the South. I
Speaker 3: think it's a little crazy that Tampa is second second
Speaker 3: three to one. Like I don't think that the gap
Speaker 3: between Atlanta and Tampa should be that significant. But assuming
Speaker 3: Cousins comes back from the injury one hundred percent, it's
Speaker 3: very hard to imagine a team maybe going from Fields
Speaker 3: to Caleb. But that will have upgraded more at quarterback
Speaker 3: this year, and their defense is very good, and they
Speaker 3: will still be adding someone with the eighth pick in
Speaker 3: the draft, which might be the best defensive player in
Speaker 3: the draft, or.
Speaker 2: It might be they might move down and add you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, extra stuff for a team that
Speaker 2: wants to jump in.
Speaker 4: Can you just explain to me why the assumption is
Speaker 4: that he will come back from this injury and be
Speaker 4: the same guy he was before.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's a leap of faith. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know the answer to that. He's they gave him over
Speaker 3: they gave him one hundred million dollars guaranteed, so they
Speaker 3: have to have some confidence in it. He did that
Speaker 3: workout video on a tennis court, which is apparently impressive
Speaker 3: to people in the Achilles recovery community. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Listen, if he's if he's a shell of himself, then
Speaker 2: it is a mistake. That's how I see it. And
Speaker 2: I think that is not only is that a non
Speaker 2: zero possibility, I would say that's a one in five.
Speaker 3: I would say there's a twenty percent. Much of what
Speaker 3: he does is based on athleticism or anything. It's just
Speaker 3: about snap, throw, get the ball.
Speaker 2: Now, I understand. But if the Achilles is not full
Speaker 2: strength or close to it, then he will at his
Speaker 2: age not be the same player and they'll be cooked.
Speaker 2: But I just I still think it was worth it.
Speaker 2: I think getting the stability at quarterback there with a
Speaker 2: good offensive line, three top ten skill position guys that
Speaker 2: you three top ten web ear draft picks in London,
Speaker 2: Pits and Bijon. I think guys also here's the other reason.
Speaker 2: I think it's sneaky important. You got to make decisions
Speaker 2: on those guys in the next couple of years. Are
Speaker 2: you going to bring re signed Drake London? Are you
Speaker 2: going to resign Kyle Pitts? And you need to give
Speaker 2: them stability there.
Speaker 4: If I were them, I would have made a push
Speaker 4: for Russ for a million dollars and had him be
Speaker 4: a stopgap quarterback and tried to get McCarthy in the
Speaker 4: draft to be my long term answer at the position,
Speaker 4: rather than invest so much in a guy. There's this
Speaker 4: I just I don't understand. I know the numbers are
Speaker 4: good with him year after year.
Speaker 2: He puts my feeling on it.
Speaker 4: I don't trust him whatsoever as a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, that's fine. But if you're Raheem Morris
Speaker 2: and you're like, man, I got a chance to be
Speaker 2: a head coach almost fifteen years ago. It never got
Speaker 2: off the ground because of Josh Freeman. I'm just not
Speaker 2: going to walk through that door again.
Speaker 4: I I'm just shocked at the organization that watched Matt
Speaker 4: Ryan fall apart before that made this commitment cousins.
Speaker 2: So the Vikings, if people don't know the Vikings traded
Speaker 2: the twenty third pick, I'm sorry. The Vikings got the
Speaker 2: twenty third pick. They traded away the forty second, the
Speaker 2: one to eighty eighth and next year second, which is significant.
Speaker 2: So the Vikings are now sitting at eleven and twenty three.
Speaker 2: This means what to you.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the obvious connecting of the
Speaker 3: dots here, and you can look at any of the
Speaker 3: trade value charts that are out there, the old Jimmy
Speaker 3: Johnson wille or some of the newer like Walter Football ones.
Speaker 3: If they package simply eleven and twenty three, depending on
Speaker 3: which chart you trust, they can either get the third
Speaker 3: pick in the draft or the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 3: So that if New England is in interested in trading
Speaker 3: out because they don't think they're ready for Drake May,
Speaker 3: they can trade up and get Drake May. Or if
Speaker 3: this is a situation like the Niners a few years
Speaker 3: ago when they traded up for Trey Lance, maybe they
Speaker 3: don't even know what quarterback is going to be there.
Speaker 3: They just know they're taking the third or fourth quarterback
Speaker 3: in this draft and they're comformation.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a smoke screen, but everything I heard out
Speaker 4: of the combine was that the Vikings loved McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Everybody loves McCarthy.
Speaker 4: The other yeah, I know, but the other taking him
Speaker 4: four would be crazy. The other connection is that Josh
Speaker 4: McCown was Drake May's high school football.
Speaker 2: But McCown's not going to be there. I'm sorry, May's
Speaker 2: not going to be there. If they trade up to three,
Speaker 2: he could be there. Okay, all right, that's fair. If
Speaker 2: they trade up to three, that's right. So Dusty, this
Speaker 2: great stats guy from First Things First, sent me this
Speaker 2: right after the Vikings trade, and I think it's noteworthy.
Speaker 2: When the Eagles traded up to get wins. Before they
Speaker 2: traded up to get wins, they did a deal where
Speaker 2: they sent two players and the thirteenth overall pick to
Speaker 2: Miami for the eighth overall pick. They then packaged that
Speaker 2: to move up to numbers two, So they ended up
Speaker 2: trading the eighth, the seventy seventh, the one hundredth and
Speaker 2: a first and second rounder the next year to go
Speaker 2: from eight to two. But what they really traded was thirteen,
Speaker 2: two players and that stuff to move up to two.
Speaker 2: So I do think it is setting the table, yes
Speaker 2: for a move up. All right?
Speaker 3: Next, Okay, so Jaguars Titans, Calvin Ridley now a Titan.
Speaker 3: We like it more for the Titans are bad for
Speaker 3: the Jaguars because the Jaguars roster management cost them Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 4: Their roster management is atrocious. Yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: think that that story is being it's not being discussed
Speaker 4: enough because no one cares other than Nick and his
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence obsession.
Speaker 2: But like they've let him down, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 2: They've let you know what, let's start that narrative that
Speaker 2: Trevor has been let down and the listen, Trent Balky's
Speaker 2: been bad a lot of places and for the roster
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Jim Harbaugh for the record, I don't
Speaker 2: like the Calvin Ridley deal.
Speaker 3: The Titans either, well they I mean, I know that
Speaker 3: inflation cap going up and all of that, but it
Speaker 3: is tough to reconcile fifty million for Calvin Ridley and
Speaker 3: not giving AJ Brown what fifty seven million correct two
Speaker 3: years ago. And I know there's a second round pick there,
Speaker 3: and I know AJ Brown is a higher percentage of
Speaker 3: the cap because getting that money two years ago is different.
Speaker 3: But still, aj Brown is a significantly better football player
Speaker 3: than Calvin Ridley. I was shocked by how much Ridley
Speaker 3: got based on his production from last year.
Speaker 2: The other problem for the Jags is they have the
Speaker 2: following four receivers well, and three of them are on extensions.
Speaker 2: Ones on his rookie deal, Christian Kirk at twenty four
Speaker 2: million on the cap, Zay Jones at eleven, Gabe Davis
Speaker 2: who right now is at five because they did funny
Speaker 2: stuff there, and Devin du Vernet. That are those four receivers.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you have one guy who is a
Speaker 2: A two in Kirk, and then you have three number
Speaker 2: three or four receivers.
Speaker 4: They're tight end and running back, are probably better passing
Speaker 4: game threats than the guys they have a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: So I don't get what the Jags are doing. I
Speaker 2: also don't get what the Titans are doing.
Speaker 3: All right, Raiders and Texans. We linked these teams together
Speaker 3: because the two biggest impactful defensive players Christian Wilkins to
Speaker 3: the Raiders Daniel Hunter to the Texans, which is the
Speaker 3: more impactful signing.
Speaker 4: I think it's Wilkins. I think it should be Wilkins.
Speaker 4: If it's not Wilkins, then something really effed up happened there.
Speaker 4: He's going to play on a line with Max Crosby.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, so that's the fans and they dressed
Speaker 3: what Tyree Wilson right, who didn't really show much. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's like a high pedigree thing. I will get touch.
Speaker 2: Over rated by the way, but go ahead and make
Speaker 2: your point.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I think that Hunter is a consistent high
Speaker 3: floor that will They.
Speaker 2: Basically flipped out Jonathan Grenard for Danell Hanna.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Wilkins. Wilkins is excellent premium position prime of
Speaker 3: his career, always has been awesome against the run, just
Speaker 3: had his best pass rush season, never miss his games. Clearly,
Speaker 3: Christian Wilkins is the better player, which is why he
Speaker 3: got the bigger deal. I think the Texans thing is
Speaker 3: just a continuation and it's Their offseason has been fascinating.
Speaker 3: It's been aggressive. This is what happens if you have
Speaker 3: a rookie QB who hits immediately, right. This is why
Speaker 3: you play the guys in year one. They now know
Speaker 3: for the next three seasons that they have a top
Speaker 3: ten will be conservative quarterback on a cheap deal.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So for two years guaranteeing Daniel Hunter, Hey, I know
Speaker 3: I'm going to get ten sacks. You know that is
Speaker 3: a very valuable thing. This is a CJ. Stroud signing
Speaker 3: possibility for the Texas.
Speaker 2: So I agree with that, listen. I also like the
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins signing lot for the Raiders. I think the
Speaker 2: Raiders offense is going to be one of the worst
Speaker 2: in football next year, and that's why they're not going
Speaker 2: to be good. But I getting Wilkins there. I want
Speaker 2: to bring this back to the Chiefs just for a moment.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that.
Speaker 2: Uh. This is why I love the Chris Jones deal
Speaker 2: so much, because I don't look at Chris Jones's thirty
Speaker 2: two million dollars a year, which is what it's three years,
Speaker 2: ninety five million, fully guaranteed, is what the deal is.
Speaker 2: Because unless you have drafted a defensive tackle that's awesome
Speaker 2: on his rookie deal. The Christian Wilkins signing tells me
Speaker 2: the cost of doing business to get a top eight
Speaker 2: d tackle is he's twenty seven and a half million
Speaker 2: a year. Just call it twenty five million bucks. That
Speaker 2: gets you in the door, because what did a Matabuque
Speaker 2: go for like twenty four million a year? Yeah, got
Speaker 2: a huge So the cost of doing if you want
Speaker 2: a proven d tackle in this league, it's twenty five
Speaker 2: million a year right now. So to me, the question
Speaker 2: is not is Chris Jones worth thirty two million bucks?
Speaker 2: The question is is Chris Jones enough better than Madibuque
Speaker 2: or Wilkins to make up for the fact that you
Speaker 2: now can't get a seven million, five to seven million
Speaker 2: dollars a year player. And the answer is unequivocally yes.
Speaker 2: You can go naked at the position to say we're
Speaker 2: going to draft a guy or not, But if you
Speaker 2: want to have an inbat guy at that spot, you're
Speaker 2: anchored at twenty five million a year. So does he
Speaker 2: It's not as he were thirty two. It's is he
Speaker 2: worth the gap between him and the other guys? And
Speaker 2: to me, I think the answer is unequivocally yes.
Speaker 4: Dunfan's Cowboys biggest off bigger offseason loser Miami or Dallas.
Speaker 2: I don't think Dallas is a big loser. They just
Speaker 2: haven't done anything. Nick Well, they did get Kendricks. They
Speaker 2: stole them away after you'd agreed to U.
Speaker 4: Let's amend that question and edit it out and throw
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 2: No, that's fine, But but the Cowboys were really good
Speaker 2: last year? Yeah? What what tell me?
Speaker 4: Here's how many times does the season have to end
Speaker 4: the same exact way for it to not nullify?
Speaker 2: Or Okay, so here's my lot.
Speaker 4: What happened in the seventeen game regularly, right, that's totally fair.
Speaker 2: But here's where I think you're being intellectually dishonest. Is
Speaker 2: there anything they could have done in free agency that
Speaker 2: wasn't change the coach or the quarterback that would change
Speaker 2: your opinion about them? In the playoffs? Is there a
Speaker 2: move they could have made? You're like, well, okay, now
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 3: Can't play you can't play the playoffs in March.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, he's saying. I think what Pony
Speaker 2: was saying is, Okay, how many times do we have
Speaker 2: to see them have good regular seasons and flame out
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? And but the question was were they
Speaker 2: a loser in free agencies? What I am saying is.
Speaker 4: They set an expectation that they were gonna make changes
Speaker 4: from the very end of that Packers game, and they've
Speaker 4: done nothing right.
Speaker 2: But are there any changes other than the coaching quarterback
Speaker 2: that would make you more optimistic about them their playoff
Speaker 2: chances next year?
Speaker 4: I mean, are you telling me that any big free
Speaker 4: agent move or trade was completely off the table for
Speaker 4: them because of like money?
Speaker 2: No? But what was it? What? What could they have
Speaker 2: done right? That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: They could have gone out there and signed a huge
Speaker 4: defensive player, or they could have signed Calvin Ridley or
Speaker 4: one of these running backs.
Speaker 2: I don't know something Nick, so that the defensive player
Speaker 2: thing I buy Ridley or the running backs wouldn't have
Speaker 2: made it.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, But I'm just saying, like you're you're
Speaker 4: you're trying to back me into a corner here on, Like,
Speaker 4: is there any They've done nothing?
Speaker 2: So I still think Miami's far and away the bigger loser.
Speaker 3: Well, they've certainly lost the most, right, no team in
Speaker 3: the NFL has lost more, yeah than Kendall Fuller.
Speaker 2: But look at all the players.
Speaker 3: I guess the Chargers, Chargers, maybe you put you put
Speaker 3: them there.
Speaker 2: The Chargers offset by Hardball being hired as their coach,
Speaker 2: and I think Miami is in a really rough spot.
Speaker 2: I think the Miami's defense wasn't good. You talk about
Speaker 2: in the same every year with the weather.
Speaker 4: Get asked a spinoff question off of that, then, is
Speaker 4: the is the percentage higher than twenty five percent than
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five they will have a new coach
Speaker 4: and a new quarterback in Miami.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's on the table.
Speaker 4: I think I think a new well, I think it
Speaker 4: definitely is on the table. I don't think it's fifty
Speaker 4: to fifty, but I think it's around. I think it
Speaker 4: maybe twenty five percent to him.
Speaker 3: Why why would McDaniel be in trouble?
Speaker 2: Why why wouldn't he be I mean, I think he's
Speaker 2: a good coach and offenduction Also listen, I here's where
Speaker 2: I would be okay with McDaniel being in trouble if
Speaker 2: he green lights them giving to an extension and it
Speaker 2: seems like they're going to at that. If you're the
Speaker 2: head coach and you have some bower and you green
Speaker 2: light the extension, you then can't be like you. I
Speaker 2: no longer will give you the benefit of the held
Speaker 2: back by the quarterback because you've tied yourself to him.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, let's see how good their offense
Speaker 3: is this year. They still have Waddle, they still have Tyreek,
Speaker 3: they still have two, they still have McDaniel.
Speaker 4: If he goes three years without winning a playoff game
Speaker 4: and it's two, one and duns and they go like
Speaker 4: six and eleven this year, I don't think he'll be back.
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Speaker 2: we gotta really go.
Speaker 3: For yeah, we gotta go very fair.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Ravens, Eagles, Packers. Which big name running back signing do
Speaker 3: you like the most?
Speaker 2: None of them? I like none of them. You don't
Speaker 2: think about the question pick one.
Speaker 3: You don't think that the Ravens would have been committed
Speaker 3: to a more balanced attack in the playoffs if they
Speaker 3: had Derek Henry on the right.
Speaker 2: I think the narrative surrounding that Raven's playoff loss is
Speaker 2: so hilarious, which is all year long. If you were
Speaker 2: not laying flowers at Lamar's feet about sure about what
Speaker 2: a brilliant passery'd become all of this, you were called
Speaker 2: a hater. Yeah, and then with that in the playoff game,
Speaker 2: everyone's answer is how dumb were the Ravens letting Lamar pass?
Speaker 2: Why they played right into the Chiefs game plan, which
Speaker 2: was put the ball in the MVP's hands. And now
Speaker 2: the Ravens are I think, tacitly admitting okay, yeah, we
Speaker 2: kind of have to be a smash mouth run team.
Speaker 2: And I also I just I will take the under
Speaker 2: on Derrick Henry's production this year. I will do that.
Speaker 2: So I don't like that.
Speaker 4: So if it's said it, if it's set at a
Speaker 4: thousand yards, you would go under that, Yes, I would not.
Speaker 2: I really don't like the Saquon deal. They paid him
Speaker 2: the exact money that Patrick Queen got. They need back
Speaker 2: seven guys, not a linebacker. I'm fine with the Packers
Speaker 2: because they're young and they it's fine.
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm just I'm surprised. I'm surprised by the
Speaker 3: Packers one. I'm just surprised by it. Aaron Jones is awesome.
Speaker 3: They called him the best player on their team last year,
Speaker 3: and he was dominant in the playoffs. I know Jacobs
Speaker 3: is younger, but he's old like in terms of the
Speaker 3: wear on the tires. So I think Aaron Jones is awesome.
Speaker 3: So that one, that one surprised me. I think that
Speaker 3: Derek Kendrick side about Aaron Jones.
Speaker 2: He had six hundred and fifty yards last year.
Speaker 3: Look at his playoff game book.
Speaker 2: I know, I get it. He kicked the Cowboys ass.
Speaker 2: I understand that. I that I tend to when when
Speaker 2: teams don't want to bring back their own running backs. Sure,
Speaker 2: I tend to think they're right. All right, Jets, What
Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers doing? I don't listen. I uh uh
Speaker 2: the Jets. Here's the analogy I'll give because Robert Syl
Speaker 2: and Joe Douglas have to hate what's happened here, Yes,
Speaker 2: but they'd be fired without him. So what you have
Speaker 2: in New York is a I would say lower, a
Speaker 2: poor family, A family struggles to make ends meet. Who's
Speaker 2: ten year old just got cast as the new Harry
Speaker 2: Potter and is they are all of a sudden rich
Speaker 2: beyond their imagination. And around the time the second movie's
Speaker 2: coming out, the eleven year old now has figured out
Speaker 2: Hold on a minute, his charge here. My parents can
Speaker 2: never get they they only can live this life because
Speaker 2: of me. And I will do literally whatever I want
Speaker 2: and dare them to punish me because I'll turn the
Speaker 2: faucet off. That's what's happened. And Aaron Rodgers is the
Speaker 2: eleven year old drunk with power, like, Oh, we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about distractions out of the building, except I am
Speaker 2: going to allow to be floated. I might be the
Speaker 2: next vice president. We are going I'm gonna go on
Speaker 2: a podcast and talk about the fact that I think
Speaker 2: mountains used to be giant trees and and all of
Speaker 2: this nonsense, and I dare you to do something about it.
Speaker 2: So I think the Jets are in the worst position
Speaker 2: of any team in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I'll just add to that because that analogy is brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's never good if you're going to AI to release
Speaker 3: a statement saying that you believed Sandy Hook happened. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's just a bad spot to be we need
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: Very Giants and Panthers.
Speaker 4: The Burns trade reaction, Carolina could have had two first
Speaker 4: round picks for this guy in the same season.
Speaker 2: What a disaster. You think the Jets organization is a
Speaker 2: train wreck?
Speaker 3: Look at Carolina, right, you trade my damn Brian Burns
Speaker 3: non trade.
Speaker 2: Can I give a counter intuitive take on that Brian
Speaker 2: Burns story. I agree with everything that people are saying.
Speaker 2: Good job by the Giants. I actually like it for
Speaker 2: the Giants, good value, that's fine. The bigger story to
Speaker 2: me is not the bigger but an underrated story, is
Speaker 2: that would have been one of the worst trades ever
Speaker 2: the Ram the Rams offering two ones in a two
Speaker 2: for the league's eighth best edge rusher to give him bananas.
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about that is that Les Snead
Speaker 4: had this impulsiveness to want to do that in season
Speaker 4: and they've done next to nothing.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, no, I think that you're right. They may
Speaker 2: be Sanity said in all right, next.
Speaker 3: Uh, Lions and Niners. Status quo good enough for some
Speaker 3: of the best teams in the NFC.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is status quo for the Niners.
Speaker 2: I think that you know, you lose Eric Armstead, You're yeah.
Speaker 4: But you traded for the Houston defensive tackle to take
Speaker 4: his spot.
Speaker 2: Sure, and you added Leonard Floyd. I get that. I
Speaker 2: also it's been quiet, but the Ayuk thing seemed to
Speaker 2: be a thing, uh and good enough to still be
Speaker 2: a playoff team like the Sure. And for the Lions,
Speaker 2: I think that they're in great shade personal Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: But those Ben Johnson, when you're that young of a team,
Speaker 2: you get better just by a year passing, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Just by those guys getting experienced.
Speaker 3: Yea, and Branches back safety he'll be he'll be recover. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: The biggest thing for the Lions is that that Ben
Speaker 3: Johnson didn't take a head coaching job. Somehow, I do
Speaker 3: not understand how that happens. Next the Bucks, they kept
Speaker 3: the band back together. Can they win the South?
Speaker 2: They can? But I think and I like Baker a lot,
Speaker 2: I think they overachieved a bit last year and I
Speaker 2: think that they're probably in the same boat.
Speaker 4: Where can I ask you what when you say I
Speaker 4: like Baker a lot, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: What it like for someone who likes Baker a lot?
Speaker 2: What does that top ten. No, no, no, no, I actually
Speaker 2: meant personally. Oh, I mean I think that teammates like him.
Speaker 2: I think he's a leader. I think he is tough
Speaker 2: as hell. Yeah, well that costume his job in Cleveland, right,
Speaker 2: and but he is to me, he is right at average,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So you said he was
Speaker 2: at best thirteenth and at worst nineteenth, and he's probably sixteenth.
Speaker 2: I just think that the Falcons probably have correctly leap
Speaker 2: prog What.
Speaker 3: An incredible sense of loyalty from Mike Evans. I mean,
Speaker 3: the guy's gonna go into the Hall of Fame. He'll
Speaker 3: play his whole career with the Bucks. He got his ring.
Speaker 3: What is it? Nine straight a thousand yard seasons? At
Speaker 3: this point, guys, I thought at some point he would
Speaker 3: look to do a Hollywood Brown deal, go give the
Speaker 3: Chiefs a discount and try to get another ring and ring.
Speaker 2: I think it's because he has a ring.
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to I know, but it's just it's
Speaker 3: an awesome legacy. You just don't see it anymore.
Speaker 2: Sure, all right, Bengals, Browns.
Speaker 4: Are these Ohio teams any closer to challenging Kansas City?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, good, good question.
Speaker 2: No, I mean do you think so?
Speaker 3: I think the Bengals are good.
Speaker 2: They're good, but how are they closer?
Speaker 4: Well, they got to their defense sucked ass last year.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's just I'm right out and say it. It
Speaker 4: was awful. That had really not that much to do
Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow. And they're a coach An Rumo who
Speaker 4: basically was like thought of as this Patrick Mahomes kryptonite coach.
Speaker 4: They went from having a defense that could stymy him
Speaker 4: to like being thirtieth in the league. So they brought
Speaker 4: Stone and who had what seven or eight interceptions in Baltimore,
Speaker 4: and they signed someone to play their defensive line. So
Speaker 4: like they've made the moves around the margins to fill
Speaker 4: out their team.
Speaker 2: And the t Higgins thing is is to Higgins Stone
Speaker 2: Higgins thing is the weird thing. And that's why I
Speaker 2: have to see how that lands before I can give
Speaker 2: them a real grade. Is that everybody that's everybody, Oh,
Speaker 2: what do we have? Who do we leave out? Well?
Speaker 2: We left out Commanders and Seahawks? What's up with the
Speaker 2: Howell trade? Oh? I go ahead, you, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just it's wild.
Speaker 3: If that's a spot that also isn't available for Justin
Speaker 3: Fields because of Sam Howell. Because they're saying they came
Speaker 3: out and very publicly committed to Gino Smith with the
Speaker 3: guaranteed money. Did they well saying all of that publicly?
Speaker 2: Who cares? Sho speak louder than words. It's like to MEA.
Speaker 3: Howel is not gonna challenge Gino Smith to be the
Speaker 3: starting quarterback.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's gonna challenge him to be the
Speaker 4: starting quarterback. But my guess is by Thanksgiving he's he's
Speaker 4: the seahawks starting quarterback.
Speaker 2: I disagree, Oh, I disagree. I don't think Sam Hell
Speaker 2: is good at all. I think that the the Commanders
Speaker 2: are obviously gonna draft either maid Wait a minute.
Speaker 4: If you're the Seahawks and you've got new coaches, right,
Speaker 4: and you get to the midpoint of the season and
Speaker 4: you're like four and four and Gino Smith doesn't have
Speaker 4: a future there, why wouldn't you see what Howell has?
Speaker 2: Because you can see what Howell has by turning on
Speaker 2: his film for his entire NFL career. That's what I think.
Speaker 2: All right. One of these two people wrote a book.
Speaker 2: It's coming out in a few weeks. We discussed that
Speaker 2: next What's Right and the First in Pod podcast crossover.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in What's Right with Nick Wright
Speaker 2: and First in Pod. It's a first ever crossover episode
Speaker 2: we've ever done. This will show up on both of
Speaker 2: the podcast feeds Danny Parkins Andrew Philippony from First and Pod,
Speaker 2: and they're also going to be on First Things First
Speaker 2: on Friday, which depends on when you're listening to this.
Speaker 2: It's you know whatever, it doesn't matter, uh, Danny, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe you were doing this when you told
Speaker 2: me you were doing it.
Speaker 3: It was it was a dumb idea.
Speaker 2: So I'm holding this up to the camera. I dumb
Speaker 2: idea is not the right word. It was a big
Speaker 2: tech undertaking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Danny Parkins and his dear friend Ben Kaplan wrote
Speaker 2: a book called Pipeline to the Pros. And when I
Speaker 2: say wrote a book, not like a pamphlet, like a
Speaker 2: real long book, it comes out with like a real
Speaker 2: publisher and stuff it no, no, a whole thing, go ahead,
Speaker 2: it comes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes out April sixteenth. Pipeline of the Pros,
Speaker 3: how d three small college Nobody's Rose to Rule the NBA.
Speaker 2: Okay, so listen, I've read the book. It's outstanding. Jeff
Speaker 2: ban Gundi wrote the foreword, and it is do you
Speaker 2: guys remember when we were in college and like, I
Speaker 2: feel like you tried to dunk a basketball and broke
Speaker 2: your wrist. That happened. That's not the story I was
Speaker 2: gonna go to. I feel like it was a big
Speaker 2: thing at war or college radio station, and now I
Speaker 2: don't quite remember it. It was called like the Cradle
Speaker 2: of Coaches or the Cradle of Quarterback. It was some
Speaker 2: area of Ohio that, like all these kind.
Speaker 4: Of Miami, Ohio was the cradle of coaches, and like
Speaker 4: all of these coaches came from all these NFL coaches.
Speaker 2: Yeah NFL. Okay, So the premise of this book, well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Danny describe it, but it is wild
Speaker 2: when you when you get into the actual numbers and
Speaker 2: how Division III college basketball had, how those guys have
Speaker 2: become some of the biggest power brokers in the NBA,
Speaker 2: and what it teaches us about where the league is
Speaker 2: headed and how it got there is fascinating. So you
Speaker 2: go and explain it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I didn't know anything about this story, right,
Speaker 3: We went to Syra, but we have a very big,
Speaker 3: powerful alumni network of broadcasters, much like you know Wharton
Speaker 3: Business School or Harvard Medical School. It's a powerful network. Well,
Speaker 3: these guys who for the love of the game, basically
Speaker 3: after high school, didn't want to give up the game,
Speaker 3: but had no dreams of playing at a Syracuse or
Speaker 3: a Duke or in North Carolina and were smart, went
Speaker 3: to these liberal arts colleges to get a good education
Speaker 3: and it was the only place that they could play.
Speaker 3: And then they realized as the game in the league
Speaker 3: was getting smarter, that they had a unique ability because
Speaker 3: of their intelligence, how you have to teach the game
Speaker 3: at that level, you're more of a teacher than like
Speaker 3: a talent manager. And they also could speak basketball because
Speaker 3: it's a pretty damn high level of competition, that they
Speaker 3: were uniquely qualified to be excellent coaches. In front office
Speaker 3: members a few years ago, thirteen of thirty teams had
Speaker 3: either a head coach or a top decision maker as
Speaker 3: in like president of basketball operations, the number one guy
Speaker 3: an organization that had played or coached D three. So
Speaker 3: we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Give us some of the names. So we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Like Greg Popovich, Sam Presty with the Knicks, both Tom
Speaker 3: Thibodeaux and Leon Rose, the forward by Jeff Van Gundy,
Speaker 3: Stan van Gundy, he hires Tibbs, Steve Clifford, Frank Vogel,
Speaker 3: Mike Butenholzer, So all of these guys.
Speaker 2: So not just so not just the powerful guys, but
Speaker 2: some of the most well regarded champion coaches or championship
Speaker 2: level coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Kobe Altman who runs the Cavs, rafel Stone,
Speaker 3: who runs the Rockets. And so what we did was
Speaker 3: Brett Brad Stevens. I talked to Brad Stevens for ninety minutes.
Speaker 3: I mean, so we talked to these guys.
Speaker 2: Brad Stevens was D three guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yeah, And so we talked to these guys
Speaker 3: and the network that they've created. We talked at this
Speaker 3: radio conference, right, we helped our friends, yep, along the way.
Speaker 3: These guys helped their friends along the way. And it
Speaker 3: was once a couple of them got in Jeff Van
Speaker 3: Gundy and Greg Popovich probably is the biggest modern names
Speaker 3: that you would know. They said, it really is just teaching.
Speaker 3: I just need people who can teach these guys. Basketball
Speaker 3: players want to learn. They don't care if you're six
Speaker 3: foot nothing, one hundred and fifty pounds. If you can
Speaker 3: teach Patrick Ewing how to be better, or you can
Speaker 3: teach Tim Duncan how to be better, it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: that you could have never played at his level. And
Speaker 3: so that's the basketball side. The things that they've impacted
Speaker 3: in NBA history are incredible. But it's also I think
Speaker 3: it's like a management primer. It's a story of networking,
Speaker 3: it's about the value of a good liberal arts education.
Speaker 3: It's I think people would really get a lot out
Speaker 3: of it, So listen.
Speaker 2: It is if you're a big NBA fan, it is
Speaker 2: I think one of the best in kind of unique
Speaker 2: idea NBA books to come out in years. Even though,
Speaker 2: but if you are watching this and you're not a
Speaker 2: big NBA fan, it is it is applicable to a
Speaker 2: lot of fields about how to find talented people, and
Speaker 2: maybe not the places you would initially think to. I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you a couple other questions though, because
Speaker 2: I Will Hardy is a guy I don't know if
Speaker 2: you mentioned him. Chris Finch obviously talk to both of
Speaker 2: them for the book. And so when did this really
Speaker 2: start like is there ay, you mentioned the Van Gundyes,
Speaker 2: but was there a moment where you saw, like, oh,
Speaker 2: it went from being there was one guy like this
Speaker 2: to a surplus of guys like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so like in the post, so you can
Speaker 3: go back further right with like a Karl Sheer or
Speaker 3: a Norm Sanzhu and like some of the guys like
Speaker 3: the Carl Sheer helps the Nuggets and the ABA transformation
Speaker 3: and bringing All Star weekends to the NBA all sorts
Speaker 3: of like you can go back in NBA history and
Speaker 3: find one offs Bill Musselman guys like that. But Greg
Speaker 3: Popovich and Jeff Van Gundy after them, I mean they
Speaker 3: hired everybody. Sam Presty gets hired by pop and then
Speaker 3: Sam Presty starts emailing these NESCAC schools, these Northeast Liberal
Speaker 3: Arts schools, emailing their coaches and saying, hey, do you
Speaker 3: have anyone on your staff but or on your on
Speaker 3: your team, on your roster or your managers who are
Speaker 3: smart and could apply like data sciences, And then he
Speaker 3: hires them to.
Speaker 4: Run there and like what Belichick did for a lot
Speaker 4: of the D three guys, it sounds remarkably like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very it's very similar, and I mean
Speaker 3: and bringing guys into the video coordinator rooms, coaching staffs
Speaker 3: have been expanded, the G League, all of that stuff,
Speaker 3: and so there's just there's more opportunity now it's not
Speaker 3: just I got four assistant coaches and I've got to
Speaker 3: fill it with an XNBA player.
Speaker 2: All right, real quick before we wrap up, Yeah, what's
Speaker 2: the pushback on this? By putting that on your book?
Speaker 2: But on the I imagine there are some people that
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, and that's why guys who play in
Speaker 2: the league, who have real hands on the ground experience
Speaker 2: playing big time basketball, that there's not as much room
Speaker 2: for them. Is there a level of I don't know
Speaker 2: if resentments the right word, but pushback or resentment or anything.
Speaker 3: Well, so we asked all these guys for stories about,
Speaker 3: you know, people challenging them and players not buying in
Speaker 3: and all of that, and it was a wide range.
Speaker 3: Like some guys were like absolutely, like hub Brown talking
Speaker 3: about Oscar Robertson, like think he was going to drown
Speaker 3: him in an ocean. Talk to Hube Brown for two
Speaker 3: hours and forty five minutes in the book. Jeff Van Gundy, though,
Speaker 3: was like I would have never been hired if it
Speaker 3: was an interim job.
Speaker 2: No, no team would have ever believed me.
Speaker 3: But I got the interim job and I had humble
Speaker 3: superstars and Patrick Ewing vouched for me and then made
Speaker 3: his career. So those anecdotes are more on like a
Speaker 3: case by case basis, but there are a lot of
Speaker 3: unique challenge challenges there. And then I would just also
Speaker 3: just like say one more thing, like I'm donating the
Speaker 3: money that I make from the book to brain cancer research,
Speaker 3: to Brain Up and honor my brother Brad. This you
Speaker 3: mentioned like you couldn't believe that I was taking this on.
Speaker 3: Ben's dad diagnosed with a rare disease after we started
Speaker 3: the book passed away. Both my dad and brother passed
Speaker 3: away all during the process from like concept to publication.
Speaker 3: So it's a story like for us, it's an accomplishment
Speaker 3: of like friendship. It was a distraction, perseverance, and we're
Speaker 3: hoping to raise a little bit of money for brain
Speaker 3: cancer research and honor my brother.
Speaker 2: So the people, the first and Pod crew knows that
Speaker 2: Danny's brother about three and a half years ago was
Speaker 2: diagnosed about three and a half user goes dinosed with
Speaker 2: glue oblastoma.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess actually coming up on four and
Speaker 3: a half years ago, oh fo yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And made it for almost three years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's I guess, yes, we're coming out four
Speaker 3: year because he's been dead. He died last Easter.
Speaker 2: So yeah, And so that went through that entire process
Speaker 2: during the writing of this book. So, as he mentioned,
Speaker 2: every dollar that he generates from this will go to
Speaker 2: the research to try it, which they've made real strides
Speaker 2: on just in the last since I've been familiar with
Speaker 2: the last few years. But it still considered an uncurable
Speaker 2: form correct of brain cancer. And so the book is
Speaker 2: Pipeline to the Pros. People can pre order it now.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, preorders are going. Preorders are going very well.
Speaker 3: And it's you'd have it April sixteenth.
Speaker 2: April sixteenth, right before Easter this year, right or right
Speaker 2: around yeah, this year. Pipeline to the Pros. They can
Speaker 2: just google it, like, is there a website to go to?
Speaker 3: Just Google Pipeline of the Pros. It's available at Barnes
Speaker 3: and Noble, Amazon, wherever you get books, Triumph books dot com.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's in my Twitter handle. It's the pins
Speaker 3: tweet you just pipeline of the pros, you'll find it awesome.
Speaker 2: It's I we about a year ago on the show
Speaker 2: we did book club. We then stopped it because I
Speaker 2: didn't really know how to do book club. I would
Speaker 2: just like to read chapters on the air. It was
Speaker 2: terrible podcasting. But this book is worthwhile for everyone, and
Speaker 2: I really hope though What's Right audience, obviously the First
Speaker 2: and Pod audience checks it out. All right, fellas, we
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