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Speaker 2: Welcome in watch Driving the Great Episode two twenty one

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Speaker 2: and First in Pod episode I'm Gonna Guess sixty four? Sure,

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Speaker 2: so alongside me if you're watching on YouTube is Danny

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Speaker 2: Parkins from The Score in Chicago, Andrew Philipponi from ninety

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Speaker 2: three seven to the Fan in Pittsburgh, who also hosts

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Speaker 2: the First In Pod podcast, And you might be listening

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Speaker 2: to this on the First in Pod podcast feed. If

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Speaker 2: you are and you don't know who I am, my

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Speaker 2: name is Nick Wright. I host What's Right with Nick Wright,

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Speaker 2: which is what you're watching on YouTube now potentially and

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Speaker 2: also First Things First on FS one. So these gentlemen

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Speaker 2: were at this bougie radio conference yesterday hobnobbing with radio celebrities.

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Speaker 2: I was involved as well because my roots are radio.

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Speaker 2: These gentlemen also are gonna be on First Things First

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Speaker 2: today and so we are doing our first ever What's

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Speaker 2: Right with Nick Wright First and Pod crossover episode. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna give the audience a little recap of what First

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Speaker 2: In Pod is. During the NFL season, they do two

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Speaker 2: pods a week. The kind of catch line is every team,

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Speaker 2: every week, every game, every team every week, every team

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Speaker 2: with free agency kind of coming to a close, not

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Speaker 2: we are going to do that same thing here where

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Speaker 2: we will touch on all thirty two teams, not necessarily

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Speaker 2: in order of importance, but in order it occurred to us.

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Speaker 2: And so Danny Andrew, thank you for joining us, and

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Speaker 2: thank you for having me on the First In Pod feed,

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Speaker 2: which people should subscribe to. As I've told the audience,

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Speaker 2: it's my favorite weekly NFL pod during the off season's

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Speaker 2: weekly during the season. Twice a week. Gentlemen, how's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's great man, thank you for having us. I love

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Speaker 3: this crossover idea. Yeah, it's like sharing the work burden.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say it made up my life a

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Speaker 2: lot easier this week, all right, So what I care about?

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Speaker 2: As we were on our way home from quite an

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Speaker 2: interesting dinner that Andrew Philipponi set up with maybe America's

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Speaker 2: don't know when you're going a dozen drinks in. So

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Speaker 2: that was a good night. On the way back from that,

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Speaker 2: we found out that Keenan Allen had been traded to

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Speaker 2: that the Chiefs perfect offseason continues. Hollywood Brown, who listen.

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Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown is a great player. I think he has

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Speaker 2: Mike Evans, Michael Pittman, Hollywood Brown were the top three?

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Speaker 2: But so I think Hollywood Brown's better than Darnell Mooney. Ridley,

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Speaker 2: And this is this is the benefit to being the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: What what has to happen with Snead to keep that going?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think that right now it's six one a

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Speaker 4: You think he'll play on the tag, yes, so, I

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Speaker 2: Well, if you think the investment is more the money

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Speaker 3: I don't see why not the I mean, I honestly

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Speaker 2: then this when you had that with Mitch Trubisky or

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Speaker 3: And the Bears defense is good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they they got better as the year went on,

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Speaker 2: I think calling Montes and Tremaine elite lowers the bar

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Speaker 3: They have a very good upper echelon player at all

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Speaker 2: For ninety eight.

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Speaker 4: I'm just if I were in your shoes, I would

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Speaker 3: That's almost a different discussion. Is it is a different discussion?

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Speaker 3: But nobody would have said. Nobody would have said that

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Speaker 3: We'll go faster.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain the Deontay Johnson trade? Yes?

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Speaker 2: the that's what you're saying. You think they need to

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Speaker 4: I don't think they need I think they'll keep the

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Speaker 4: The coaches like a pope or a Supreme Court justice,

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Speaker 2: You know I'm right about that? Okay? All right? Uh

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Speaker 4: Uh cautiously optimistic, decently high, okay, not bad so that

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Speaker 4: I feel better about their quarterback situation now than I

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Speaker 2: Okay, And isn't that fair?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 3: He I mean Russell Wilson is better than Mason Rudolph

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Speaker 4: For a million, I think Russell Wilson if he lost

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest misconception is that it has to

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Speaker 4: You can achieve both.

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Speaker 2: So I yeah, So I think that is real highly

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Speaker 2: Because we are again, Russell Wilson's first nine years of

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson was the guy that people some people seem

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Speaker 2: of money, no matter what. With that, said Russell Wilson, unequivocally,

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Speaker 2: if it were out there, would have preferred one point

437
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Speaker 2: two million this year with a substantial amount of money

438
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: next year tacked onto a contract because that doesn't impact

439
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: what Denver pays him, and it gives him security. It's

440
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Speaker 2: very clear to me no team in the league was

441
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Speaker 2: willing to give him that. So this idea that, oh,

442
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Speaker 2: he's only making the million because of the Denver situation,

443
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Speaker 2: and that's true, but he's on a one year deal

444
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Speaker 2: because no one else wanted to.

445
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Speaker 4: But hold on, I don't think we know that. I

446
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Speaker 4: think we know that no team would give him thirty

447
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 4: million dollars a year in year two. How do we

448
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Speaker 4: know that a team?

449
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Speaker 2: How do we know that?

450
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Speaker 4: The Steelers didn't say to him, will give you a

451
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Speaker 4: second year that's like a fifteen million dollars salary, And

452
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Speaker 4: he said no, I'd rather bet on myself.

453
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Speaker 2: See how it goes. I guess that's possible to get

454
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Speaker 2: the Baker Mayfield contract, right, sure? Okay, if in that regard,

455
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Speaker 2: I guess that's possible.

456
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's made it a gazillion dollars. So

457
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Speaker 3: he's going to bet on himself to be starting quarterback

458
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Speaker 3: next year. And that's a ton of money.

459
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Speaker 4: All right, what's the next So the next team we

460
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Speaker 4: have here is Denver. And here's why I have the Broncos.

461
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Speaker 4: After this we just talked about Wilson. Are they the

462
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Speaker 4: last team left for Fields?

463
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Speaker 3: It feels like they're the only place where he could

464
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Speaker 3: start tomorrow, for sure, if he just showed up. But

465
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Speaker 3: they don't have a lot of draft capital because of

466
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Speaker 3: the Russell Wilson thing and because of the Sean Payton.

467
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Speaker 4: I don't think you need a lot of draft capital

468
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Speaker 4: to give Fields at this point.

469
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Speaker 3: I don't either, but you still to. You need to

470
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Speaker 3: give up something. And if you're trading for Justin Fields,

471
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Speaker 3: it's only two point three million dollars or whatever it

472
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Speaker 3: is for this season. But are they gonna bet on

473
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Speaker 3: We're gonna trade for him, not pick up the fifth

474
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Speaker 3: year option. He's better than Jarrett Stidham and he leaves.

475
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he's third offense in four years.

476
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Speaker 4: Maybe this is the one time we do this. I'll

477
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 4: end up saying something that's really dumb. Chances are good,

478
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm under the impression that Peyton wants no part

479
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Speaker 4: of that. I don't think Peyton wants justin fields at all.

480
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Speaker 4: I think he is zero interest in doing that.

481
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Speaker 2: So that's also I just think Sean pate what I've heard, well,

482
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Speaker 2: so this isn't based on anything I've heard. This is

483
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Speaker 2: just based on you know, knowing what I know about

484
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Speaker 2: Sean Payton and my gut intuition. I think he wants

485
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Speaker 2: to have a more traditional quarter. People say, oh, he

486
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Speaker 2: loved Taysom Hill. I brought that up up, but that's

487
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Speaker 2: I think that's misleading. Almost he liked Taysom Hill as

488
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Speaker 2: an element of the team. And I also think with

489
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Speaker 2: respect to Sean, he liked the idea that if Taysom

490
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Speaker 2: Hill turns into something, the amount of credit and love

491
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Speaker 2: I will get for building this guy.

492
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Speaker 3: And he was like the toy that was there that

493
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Speaker 3: you could play with it. It wasn't like a six

494
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Speaker 3: month offseason journey to seek out Taysom Hill. He was right.

495
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Speaker 3: He was there with Jamis and other guys, and he

496
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Speaker 3: was just like, oh, I can try to tays Some Hill.

497
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Speaker 2: So why would the Giants not be involved they?

498
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Speaker 3: I mean, I wrote I was working on a list

499
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Speaker 3: of teams like, he's better than Daniel Jones and Drew

500
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: lock He's better than Will Levis, He's better than Jared Stidham.

501
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: He's better than Sam Darnold, though obviously we'll get to

502
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: them in terms of what they just traded for. He

503
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Speaker 3: has certainly more upside than Gardner Minshew. There are teams

504
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Speaker 3: where if Justin Fields was a free agent right now,

505
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Speaker 3: I think that the Giants would have signed him over

506
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: Drew lock and let him compete with Daniel Jones, no

507
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Speaker 3: question about it. But with Drew Lockett just cost you money.

508
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Speaker 3: This it does cost you a draft pick and money.

509
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Speaker 2: So since we're John Broncos, we'll leave it here. I

510
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Speaker 2: one thing that happened that I found interesting is, and

511
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Speaker 2: I think it's actually smart. So Russell Wilson's eighty five

512
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Speaker 2: million dollars dead cap hit. They could have split it

513
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Speaker 2: up to where it was the majority of that hit

514
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five cap and less hit this year.

515
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: They did it the opposite way, where the majority hits

516
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Speaker 2: now this coming season unless hits the following year. I

517
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Speaker 2: think that is smart. I think that's the right call.

518
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: I also think it speaks to the fact I think

519
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 2: Sean Payton might be looking at this year as a

520
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Speaker 2: retool rebuild. They'll be awful and you know what I mean,

521
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Speaker 2: and try to hit the ground running in year three

522
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: of his time there, which I think is the right move.

523
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Speaker 2: I think if the Broncos they're drafting twelve, I think

524
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Speaker 2: if the Broncos all of a sudden take the little

525
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Speaker 2: draft capital they have, try to move up, you know,

526
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Speaker 2: and try to do things so they can target JJ

527
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Speaker 2: McCarthy or Jayden. If he Jayden, I wouldn't be a

528
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: terrible idea, but I think that would be a mistake.

529
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Speaker 2: I think the Broncos have to take a longer view

530
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: of it, which is why you're hearing names like Zach

531
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: Wilson attached to him. It also that also is an

532
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Speaker 2: argument for them to take a flyer on Justin Fields.

533
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Speaker 2: But I just don't think Sean Payton and Justin Fields

534
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Speaker 2: are gonna be on the same team. All right, Do

535
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Speaker 2: we want to go ahead? Dan?

536
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Speaker 3: Let mean, let's just get to get into some of

537
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: these teams.

538
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

539
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: Right. You mentioned Curtis Samuel for the Bills. What do

540
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: we think of the situation there an out wide receiver?

541
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that we have to be honest

542
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: about who Stefan Diggs is right now. So Stefan Diggs

543
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: guy who fell off a cliff in the second half

544
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Speaker 2: of the season, right and.

545
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 3: I was not targeted, was not trusted.

546
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Speaker 2: But I the amount with which he fell off the

547
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: cliff I think has been underrated by the national media.

548
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: The first six games of last year, Stefan Diggs in

549
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: six games had forty nine catches, six hundred and twenty yards,

550
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Speaker 2: and five touchdowns, So we averaged over one hundred yards,

551
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: nine catches and nearly a touchdown. Again, so six twenty

552
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: and five. The final eleven games of last year he

553
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: had five hundred and sixty yards, so fewer yards in

554
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: the final eleven than the first six and three touchdowns.

555
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: And then in the playoff run he had a total

556
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: of seventy three yards and zero touchdowns. So there's a

557
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: lot of questions with Diggs, which is the new offense,

558
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: how much do they value him? Did he hit a wall?

559
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: All of those things. Now, I don't think there's a

560
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: big difference between Curtis Samuel and Gabe Davis, so I

561
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: don't think there's a huge drop off there. But my

562
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: big take on the Bills is very simple, and I

563
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: want to know where you guys stand on it. The

564
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: only reason the Buffalo Bills are scary is because they

565
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: have Josh Allen and the idea that their path forward

566
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: is to minimize, to lower Josh Allen's ceiling, because they're

567
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: afraid of the mistakes that lucks you into being just

568
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: a team. You have to be like God dogget man.

569
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Speaker 2: This is gonna be year six for him? Is that right?

570
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: He was drafted one year after Mahomes. I think this

571
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: is year six for him. Eighteen, this year seven for him,

572
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 2: because this is year eight for Mahomes. Grow up, give

573
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: us the upside without the cartoonish mistakes. That's the only

574
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: way we can be great. But they changed to that point.

575
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Speaker 4: One of the most underrated stories in the NFL last

576
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: year was when they fired Dorsey McDermott forced onto that

577
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: team a very run first.

578
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Year, and I puts a ceiling on I agree with that.

579
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Speaker 4: But what I wonder is now that Brady is the

580
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 4: full time offensive coordinator, is he allowed to expand the offense?

581
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Was that a byproduct of.

582
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 4: Them needing to make the playoffs last year or is

583
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: that who the Bills are this year, and if that's

584
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: who the Bills are this year, if they're just gonna

585
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 4: carry over that offense this year, my prediction is they

586
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: will maybe miss the playoffs and Sean McDermott will get

587
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 4: fired at the end of the year and somebody like

588
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick will be their coach next season.

589
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I like listen that. I think all of that

590
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: was interesting. I also think the other element for the

591
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: Bills is you asked about their offense and the receivers

592
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: they are going to be for the first time of

593
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: this era and average at best. Defense. You cannot draft

594
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: as poorly as they have and have the lack of

595
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: and the free agency losses that they had and all

596
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: of a sudden be a real defense the way they've been,

597
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: so they are going to need Danny to have a

598
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: great offense just to compete. They will.

599
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: I don't think the idea of more balance for Buffalo

600
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: is a bad thing, though I know I'm the highest

601
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: one on Josh Allen here. But with Herbert, with the Chargers,

602
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: they hire Harbaugh, they hire Greg Roman. Why are they

603
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: hiring Greg Roman? How are you gonna help Justin Herbert?

604
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: He's all about running games like giving Justin Herbert. A

605
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: running game would help Justin Herbert a lot, giving Josh

606
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: Allen some balance so he doesn't have to be eighty

607
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: five percent of the offensive production week in and week out.

608
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: That should help reduce the mistakes because he doesn't have

609
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: to be throwing every third and two.

610
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: All Right, we gotta keep Falcons Vikings, Kirk Cousins trade

611
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: fallout and what that caused Minnesota to do with the

612
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: trade with Houston.

613
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Speaker 3: So I think Atlanta is I get why they are

614
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: an odds on even money favorite in the South. I

615
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 3: think it's a little crazy that Tampa is second second

616
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: three to one. Like I don't think that the gap

617
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: between Atlanta and Tampa should be that significant. But assuming

618
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: Cousins comes back from the injury one hundred percent, it's

619
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Speaker 3: very hard to imagine a team maybe going from Fields

620
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: to Caleb. But that will have upgraded more at quarterback

621
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Speaker 3: this year, and their defense is very good, and they

622
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Speaker 3: will still be adding someone with the eighth pick in

623
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Speaker 3: the draft, which might be the best defensive player in

624
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Speaker 3: the draft, or.

625
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: It might be they might move down and add you

626
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: know what I mean, extra stuff for a team that

627
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: wants to jump in.

628
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: Can you just explain to me why the assumption is

629
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: that he will come back from this injury and be

630
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: the same guy he was before.

631
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Speaker 3: Obviously it's a leap of faith. I don't I don't

632
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: know the answer to that. He's they gave him over

633
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: they gave him one hundred million dollars guaranteed, so they

634
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: have to have some confidence in it. He did that

635
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: workout video on a tennis court, which is apparently impressive

636
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: to people in the Achilles recovery community. I don't know.

637
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: Listen, if he's if he's a shell of himself, then

638
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: it is a mistake. That's how I see it. And

639
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: I think that is not only is that a non

640
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: zero possibility, I would say that's a one in five.

641
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: I would say there's a twenty percent. Much of what

642
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: he does is based on athleticism or anything. It's just

643
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: about snap, throw, get the ball.

644
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: Now, I understand. But if the Achilles is not full

645
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: strength or close to it, then he will at his

646
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: age not be the same player and they'll be cooked.

647
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: But I just I still think it was worth it.

648
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: I think getting the stability at quarterback there with a

649
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: good offensive line, three top ten skill position guys that

650
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: you three top ten web ear draft picks in London,

651
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: Pits and Bijon. I think guys also here's the other reason.

652
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: I think it's sneaky important. You got to make decisions

653
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: on those guys in the next couple of years. Are

654
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: you going to bring re signed Drake London? Are you

655
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: going to resign Kyle Pitts? And you need to give

656
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: them stability there.

657
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: If I were them, I would have made a push

658
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: for Russ for a million dollars and had him be

659
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 4: a stopgap quarterback and tried to get McCarthy in the

660
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: draft to be my long term answer at the position,

661
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: rather than invest so much in a guy. There's this

662
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: I just I don't understand. I know the numbers are

663
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: good with him year after year.

664
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: He puts my feeling on it.

665
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: I don't trust him whatsoever as a quarterback.

666
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, that's fine. But if you're Raheem Morris

667
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: and you're like, man, I got a chance to be

668
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 2: a head coach almost fifteen years ago. It never got

669
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: off the ground because of Josh Freeman. I'm just not

670
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: going to walk through that door again.

671
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: I I'm just shocked at the organization that watched Matt

672
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: Ryan fall apart before that made this commitment cousins.

673
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: So the Vikings, if people don't know the Vikings traded

674
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: the twenty third pick, I'm sorry. The Vikings got the

675
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 2: twenty third pick. They traded away the forty second, the

676
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: one to eighty eighth and next year second, which is significant.

677
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: So the Vikings are now sitting at eleven and twenty three.

678
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: This means what to you.

679
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the obvious connecting of the

680
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: dots here, and you can look at any of the

681
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: trade value charts that are out there, the old Jimmy

682
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: Johnson wille or some of the newer like Walter Football ones.

683
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: If they package simply eleven and twenty three, depending on

684
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: which chart you trust, they can either get the third

685
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: pick in the draft or the fourth pick in the draft.

686
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: So that if New England is in interested in trading

687
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: out because they don't think they're ready for Drake May,

688
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: they can trade up and get Drake May. Or if

689
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: this is a situation like the Niners a few years

690
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: ago when they traded up for Trey Lance, maybe they

691
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: don't even know what quarterback is going to be there.

692
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: They just know they're taking the third or fourth quarterback

693
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: in this draft and they're comformation.

694
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a smoke screen, but everything I heard out

695
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: of the combine was that the Vikings loved McCarthy.

696
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: Everybody loves McCarthy.

697
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 4: The other yeah, I know, but the other taking him

698
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 4: four would be crazy. The other connection is that Josh

699
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: McCown was Drake May's high school football.

700
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: But McCown's not going to be there. I'm sorry, May's

701
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: not going to be there. If they trade up to three,

702
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: he could be there. Okay, all right, that's fair. If

703
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: they trade up to three, that's right. So Dusty, this

704
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: great stats guy from First Things First, sent me this

705
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: right after the Vikings trade, and I think it's noteworthy.

706
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: When the Eagles traded up to get wins. Before they

707
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: traded up to get wins, they did a deal where

708
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: they sent two players and the thirteenth overall pick to

709
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: Miami for the eighth overall pick. They then packaged that

710
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: to move up to numbers two, So they ended up

711
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: trading the eighth, the seventy seventh, the one hundredth and

712
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: a first and second rounder the next year to go

713
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: from eight to two. But what they really traded was thirteen,

714
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: two players and that stuff to move up to two.

715
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: So I do think it is setting the table, yes

716
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: for a move up. All right?

717
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: Next, Okay, so Jaguars Titans, Calvin Ridley now a Titan.

718
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: We like it more for the Titans are bad for

719
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: the Jaguars because the Jaguars roster management cost them Calvin Ridley.

720
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: Their roster management is atrocious. Yeah, I mean, I don't

721
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: think that that story is being it's not being discussed

722
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: enough because no one cares other than Nick and his

723
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence obsession.

724
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: But like they've let him down, thank you, thank you,

725
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: They've let you know what, let's start that narrative that

726
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: Trevor has been let down and the listen, Trent Balky's

727
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: been bad a lot of places and for the roster

728
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Jim Harbaugh for the record, I don't

729
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: like the Calvin Ridley deal.

730
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: The Titans either, well they I mean, I know that

731
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: inflation cap going up and all of that, but it

732
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: is tough to reconcile fifty million for Calvin Ridley and

733
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: not giving AJ Brown what fifty seven million correct two

734
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: years ago. And I know there's a second round pick there,

735
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 3: and I know AJ Brown is a higher percentage of

736
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: the cap because getting that money two years ago is different.

737
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: But still, aj Brown is a significantly better football player

738
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: than Calvin Ridley. I was shocked by how much Ridley

739
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: got based on his production from last year.

740
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: The other problem for the Jags is they have the

741
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: following four receivers well, and three of them are on extensions.

742
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: Ones on his rookie deal, Christian Kirk at twenty four

743
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: million on the cap, Zay Jones at eleven, Gabe Davis

744
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: who right now is at five because they did funny

745
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: stuff there, and Devin du Vernet. That are those four receivers.

746
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you have one guy who is a

747
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: A two in Kirk, and then you have three number

748
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: three or four receivers.

749
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 4: They're tight end and running back, are probably better passing

750
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 4: game threats than the guys they have a wide receiver.

751
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: So I don't get what the Jags are doing. I

752
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: also don't get what the Titans are doing.

753
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: All right, Raiders and Texans. We linked these teams together

754
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: because the two biggest impactful defensive players Christian Wilkins to

755
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: the Raiders Daniel Hunter to the Texans, which is the

756
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: more impactful signing.

757
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: I think it's Wilkins. I think it should be Wilkins.

758
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 4: If it's not Wilkins, then something really effed up happened there.

759
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 4: He's going to play on a line with Max Crosby.

760
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: I mean, well, so that's the fans and they dressed

761
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: what Tyree Wilson right, who didn't really show much. I mean, yeah,

762
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: but it's like a high pedigree thing. I will get touch.

763
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: Over rated by the way, but go ahead and make

764
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: your point.

765
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I think that Hunter is a consistent high

766
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: floor that will They.

767
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Basically flipped out Jonathan Grenard for Danell Hanna.

768
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Wilkins. Wilkins is excellent premium position prime of

769
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: his career, always has been awesome against the run, just

770
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: had his best pass rush season, never miss his games. Clearly,

771
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: Christian Wilkins is the better player, which is why he

772
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: got the bigger deal. I think the Texans thing is

773
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: just a continuation and it's Their offseason has been fascinating.

774
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: It's been aggressive. This is what happens if you have

775
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: a rookie QB who hits immediately, right. This is why

776
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: you play the guys in year one. They now know

777
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: for the next three seasons that they have a top

778
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: ten will be conservative quarterback on a cheap deal.

779
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: Yep.

780
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: So for two years guaranteeing Daniel Hunter, Hey, I know

781
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to get ten sacks. You know that is

782
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: a very valuable thing. This is a CJ. Stroud signing

783
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: possibility for the Texas.

784
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: So I agree with that, listen. I also like the

785
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins signing lot for the Raiders. I think the

786
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: Raiders offense is going to be one of the worst

787
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: in football next year, and that's why they're not going

788
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: to be good. But I getting Wilkins there. I want

789
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: to bring this back to the Chiefs just for a moment.

790
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: I can't believe that.

791
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 2: Uh. This is why I love the Chris Jones deal

792
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: so much, because I don't look at Chris Jones's thirty

793
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: two million dollars a year, which is what it's three years,

794
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: ninety five million, fully guaranteed, is what the deal is.

795
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: Because unless you have drafted a defensive tackle that's awesome

796
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: on his rookie deal. The Christian Wilkins signing tells me

797
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: the cost of doing business to get a top eight

798
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: d tackle is he's twenty seven and a half million

799
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: a year. Just call it twenty five million bucks. That

800
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: gets you in the door, because what did a Matabuque

801
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: go for like twenty four million a year? Yeah, got

802
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: a huge So the cost of doing if you want

803
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: a proven d tackle in this league, it's twenty five

804
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: million a year right now. So to me, the question

805
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: is not is Chris Jones worth thirty two million bucks?

806
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: The question is is Chris Jones enough better than Madibuque

807
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: or Wilkins to make up for the fact that you

808
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: now can't get a seven million, five to seven million

809
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: dollars a year player. And the answer is unequivocally yes.

810
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: You can go naked at the position to say we're

811
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: going to draft a guy or not, But if you

812
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: want to have an inbat guy at that spot, you're

813
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: anchored at twenty five million a year. So does he

814
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: It's not as he were thirty two. It's is he

815
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: worth the gap between him and the other guys? And

816
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 2: to me, I think the answer is unequivocally yes.

817
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 4: Dunfan's Cowboys biggest off bigger offseason loser Miami or Dallas.

818
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't think Dallas is a big loser. They just

819
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: haven't done anything. Nick Well, they did get Kendricks. They

820
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: stole them away after you'd agreed to U.

821
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: Let's amend that question and edit it out and throw

822
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: it out.

823
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: No, that's fine, But but the Cowboys were really good

824
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: last year? Yeah? What what tell me?

825
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: Here's how many times does the season have to end

826
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: the same exact way for it to not nullify?

827
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: Or Okay, so here's my lot.

828
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: What happened in the seventeen game regularly, right, that's totally fair.

829
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: But here's where I think you're being intellectually dishonest. Is

830
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: there anything they could have done in free agency that

831
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: wasn't change the coach or the quarterback that would change

832
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: your opinion about them? In the playoffs? Is there a

833
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: move they could have made? You're like, well, okay, now

834
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: that you.

835
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: Can't play you can't play the playoffs in March.

836
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, he's saying. I think what Pony

837
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: was saying is, Okay, how many times do we have

838
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: to see them have good regular seasons and flame out

839
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? And but the question was were they

840
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: a loser in free agencies? What I am saying is.

841
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 4: They set an expectation that they were gonna make changes

842
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: from the very end of that Packers game, and they've

843
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 4: done nothing right.

844
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: But are there any changes other than the coaching quarterback

845
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: that would make you more optimistic about them their playoff

846
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: chances next year?

847
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: I mean, are you telling me that any big free

848
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: agent move or trade was completely off the table for

849
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: them because of like money?

850
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: No? But what was it? What? What could they have

851
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 2: done right? That's what I'm talking about.

852
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: They could have gone out there and signed a huge

853
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: defensive player, or they could have signed Calvin Ridley or

854
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 4: one of these running backs.

855
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: I don't know something Nick, so that the defensive player

856
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: thing I buy Ridley or the running backs wouldn't have

857
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: made it.

858
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, But I'm just saying, like you're you're

859
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: you're trying to back me into a corner here on, Like,

860
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: is there any They've done nothing?

861
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: So I still think Miami's far and away the bigger loser.

862
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Well, they've certainly lost the most, right, no team in

863
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: the NFL has lost more, yeah than Kendall Fuller.

864
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: But look at all the players.

865
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: I guess the Chargers, Chargers, maybe you put you put

866
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: them there.

867
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: The Chargers offset by Hardball being hired as their coach,

868
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: and I think Miami is in a really rough spot.

869
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: I think the Miami's defense wasn't good. You talk about

870
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: in the same every year with the weather.

871
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: Get asked a spinoff question off of that, then, is

872
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: the is the percentage higher than twenty five percent than

873
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five they will have a new coach

874
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 4: and a new quarterback in Miami.

875
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's on the table.

876
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: I think I think a new well, I think it

877
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 4: definitely is on the table. I don't think it's fifty

878
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: to fifty, but I think it's around. I think it

879
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: maybe twenty five percent to him.

880
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: Why why would McDaniel be in trouble?

881
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: Why why wouldn't he be I mean, I think he's

882
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: a good coach and offenduction Also listen, I here's where

883
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: I would be okay with McDaniel being in trouble if

884
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: he green lights them giving to an extension and it

885
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: seems like they're going to at that. If you're the

886
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 2: head coach and you have some bower and you green

887
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: light the extension, you then can't be like you. I

888
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: no longer will give you the benefit of the held

889
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: back by the quarterback because you've tied yourself to him.

890
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, let's see how good their offense

891
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: is this year. They still have Waddle, they still have Tyreek,

892
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: they still have two, they still have McDaniel.

893
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 4: If he goes three years without winning a playoff game

894
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: and it's two, one and duns and they go like

895
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: six and eleven this year, I don't think he'll be back.

896
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: And I don't think Tuba will be back. Reminder for

897
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: the audience, if you listen on the First and Pod feed,

898
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: I'm Nick Wright from FS one and What's Right with

899
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: Nick Right. If you're listening on the What's Right feed,

900
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: it's Danny Parkins. Danny, so they know your voice. Hello,

901
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: there you go. And Andrew Philipponi. Hey, now there you go.

902
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: So the you can you Also, if you're What's Right listener,

903
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: should subscribe to the First and Pod Football podcast. All right,

904
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 2: we gotta really go.

905
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: For yeah, we gotta go very fair.

906
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: All right.

907
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: Ravens, Eagles, Packers. Which big name running back signing do

908
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: you like the most?

909
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: None of them? I like none of them. You don't

910
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: think about the question pick one.

911
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: You don't think that the Ravens would have been committed

912
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: to a more balanced attack in the playoffs if they

913
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: had Derek Henry on the right.

914
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: I think the narrative surrounding that Raven's playoff loss is

915
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: so hilarious, which is all year long. If you were

916
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: not laying flowers at Lamar's feet about sure about what

917
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: a brilliant passery'd become all of this, you were called

918
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: a hater. Yeah, and then with that in the playoff game,

919
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: everyone's answer is how dumb were the Ravens letting Lamar pass?

920
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: Why they played right into the Chiefs game plan, which

921
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: was put the ball in the MVP's hands. And now

922
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: the Ravens are I think, tacitly admitting okay, yeah, we

923
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: kind of have to be a smash mouth run team.

924
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: And I also I just I will take the under

925
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: on Derrick Henry's production this year. I will do that.

926
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: So I don't like that.

927
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 4: So if it's said it, if it's set at a

928
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 4: thousand yards, you would go under that, Yes, I would not.

929
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: I really don't like the Saquon deal. They paid him

930
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: the exact money that Patrick Queen got. They need back

931
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: seven guys, not a linebacker. I'm fine with the Packers

932
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: because they're young and they it's fine.

933
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm just I'm surprised. I'm surprised by the

934
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 3: Packers one. I'm just surprised by it. Aaron Jones is awesome.

935
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: They called him the best player on their team last year,

936
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: and he was dominant in the playoffs. I know Jacobs

937
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: is younger, but he's old like in terms of the

938
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: wear on the tires. So I think Aaron Jones is awesome.

939
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: So that one, that one surprised me. I think that

940
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: Derek Kendrick side about Aaron Jones.

941
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: He had six hundred and fifty yards last year.

942
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: Look at his playoff game book.

943
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: I know, I get it. He kicked the Cowboys ass.

944
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: I understand that. I that I tend to when when

945
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: teams don't want to bring back their own running backs. Sure,

946
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: I tend to think they're right. All right, Jets, What

947
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers doing? I don't listen. I uh uh

948
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: the Jets. Here's the analogy I'll give because Robert Syl

949
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: and Joe Douglas have to hate what's happened here, Yes,

950
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: but they'd be fired without him. So what you have

951
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: in New York is a I would say lower, a

952
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: poor family, A family struggles to make ends meet. Who's

953
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: ten year old just got cast as the new Harry

954
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: Potter and is they are all of a sudden rich

955
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: beyond their imagination. And around the time the second movie's

956
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: coming out, the eleven year old now has figured out

957
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: Hold on a minute, his charge here. My parents can

958
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: never get they they only can live this life because

959
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: of me. And I will do literally whatever I want

960
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: and dare them to punish me because I'll turn the

961
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: faucet off. That's what's happened. And Aaron Rodgers is the

962
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: eleven year old drunk with power, like, Oh, we're gonna

963
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: talk about distractions out of the building, except I am

964
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: going to allow to be floated. I might be the

965
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: next vice president. We are going I'm gonna go on

966
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: a podcast and talk about the fact that I think

967
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: mountains used to be giant trees and and all of

968
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: this nonsense, and I dare you to do something about it.

969
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 2: So I think the Jets are in the worst position

970
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: of any team in the NFL.

971
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: I'll just add to that because that analogy is brilliant.

972
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: It's never good if you're going to AI to release

973
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: a statement saying that you believed Sandy Hook happened. Yeah,

974
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: that's that's just a bad spot to be we need

975
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: to go.

976
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: Very Giants and Panthers.

977
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: The Burns trade reaction, Carolina could have had two first

978
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: round picks for this guy in the same season.

979
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: What a disaster. You think the Jets organization is a

980
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: train wreck?

981
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 3: Look at Carolina, right, you trade my damn Brian Burns

982
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: non trade.

983
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: Can I give a counter intuitive take on that Brian

984
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: Burns story. I agree with everything that people are saying.

985
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: Good job by the Giants. I actually like it for

986
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: the Giants, good value, that's fine. The bigger story to

987
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: me is not the bigger but an underrated story, is

988
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: that would have been one of the worst trades ever

989
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: the Ram the Rams offering two ones in a two

990
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: for the league's eighth best edge rusher to give him bananas.

991
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about that is that Les Snead

992
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 4: had this impulsiveness to want to do that in season

993
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: and they've done next to nothing.

994
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, no, I think that you're right. They may

995
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 2: be Sanity said in all right, next.

996
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: Uh, Lions and Niners. Status quo good enough for some

997
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: of the best teams in the NFC.

998
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is status quo for the Niners.

999
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: I think that you know, you lose Eric Armstead, You're yeah.

1000
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: But you traded for the Houston defensive tackle to take

1001
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 4: his spot.

1002
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: Sure, and you added Leonard Floyd. I get that. I

1003
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: also it's been quiet, but the Ayuk thing seemed to

1004
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: be a thing, uh and good enough to still be

1005
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: a playoff team like the Sure. And for the Lions,

1006
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: I think that they're in great shade personal Yeah, I agree,

1007
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: But those Ben Johnson, when you're that young of a team,

1008
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: you get better just by a year passing, you know

1009
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: what I mean? Just by those guys getting experienced.

1010
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: Yea, and Branches back safety he'll be he'll be recover. Yeah.

1011
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: I mean.

1012
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: The biggest thing for the Lions is that that Ben

1013
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: Johnson didn't take a head coaching job. Somehow, I do

1014
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: not understand how that happens. Next the Bucks, they kept

1015
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 3: the band back together. Can they win the South?

1016
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: They can? But I think and I like Baker a lot,

1017
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: I think they overachieved a bit last year and I

1018
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: think that they're probably in the same boat.

1019
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 4: Where can I ask you what when you say I

1020
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: like Baker a lot, what does that mean?

1021
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: What it like for someone who likes Baker a lot?

1022
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: What does that top ten. No, no, no, no, I actually

1023
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: meant personally. Oh, I mean I think that teammates like him.

1024
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: I think he's a leader. I think he is tough

1025
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: as hell. Yeah, well that costume his job in Cleveland, right,

1026
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: and but he is to me, he is right at average,

1027
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So you said he was

1028
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: at best thirteenth and at worst nineteenth, and he's probably sixteenth.

1029
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: I just think that the Falcons probably have correctly leap

1030
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: prog What.

1031
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 3: An incredible sense of loyalty from Mike Evans. I mean,

1032
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 3: the guy's gonna go into the Hall of Fame. He'll

1033
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 3: play his whole career with the Bucks. He got his ring.

1034
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: What is it? Nine straight a thousand yard seasons? At

1035
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: this point, guys, I thought at some point he would

1036
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: look to do a Hollywood Brown deal, go give the

1037
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: Chiefs a discount and try to get another ring and ring.

1038
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: I think it's because he has a ring.

1039
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to I know, but it's just it's

1040
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: an awesome legacy. You just don't see it anymore.

1041
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: Sure, all right, Bengals, Browns.

1042
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: Are these Ohio teams any closer to challenging Kansas City?

1043
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: No?

1044
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, good, good question.

1045
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: No, I mean do you think so?

1046
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 3: I think the Bengals are good.

1047
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: They're good, but how are they closer?

1048
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: Well, they got to their defense sucked ass last year.

1049
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 4: I mean, let's just I'm right out and say it. It

1050
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: was awful. That had really not that much to do

1051
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow. And they're a coach An Rumo who

1052
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: basically was like thought of as this Patrick Mahomes kryptonite coach.

1053
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 4: They went from having a defense that could stymy him

1054
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 4: to like being thirtieth in the league. So they brought

1055
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: Stone and who had what seven or eight interceptions in Baltimore,

1056
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: and they signed someone to play their defensive line. So

1057
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 4: like they've made the moves around the margins to fill

1058
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: out their team.

1059
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: And the t Higgins thing is is to Higgins Stone

1060
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: Higgins thing is the weird thing. And that's why I

1061
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: have to see how that lands before I can give

1062
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: them a real grade. Is that everybody that's everybody, Oh,

1063
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: what do we have? Who do we leave out? Well?

1064
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: We left out Commanders and Seahawks? What's up with the

1065
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 2: Howell trade? Oh? I go ahead, you, I mean, it's

1066
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 2: just it's wild.

1067
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: If that's a spot that also isn't available for Justin

1068
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 3: Fields because of Sam Howell. Because they're saying they came

1069
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: out and very publicly committed to Gino Smith with the

1070
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: guaranteed money. Did they well saying all of that publicly?

1071
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: Who cares? Sho speak louder than words. It's like to MEA.

1072
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: Howel is not gonna challenge Gino Smith to be the

1073
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 3: starting quarterback.

1074
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's gonna challenge him to be the

1075
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: starting quarterback. But my guess is by Thanksgiving he's he's

1076
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: the seahawks starting quarterback.

1077
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: I disagree, Oh, I disagree. I don't think Sam Hell

1078
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: is good at all. I think that the the Commanders

1079
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: are obviously gonna draft either maid Wait a minute.

1080
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 4: If you're the Seahawks and you've got new coaches, right,

1081
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: and you get to the midpoint of the season and

1082
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: you're like four and four and Gino Smith doesn't have

1083
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: a future there, why wouldn't you see what Howell has?

1084
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Speaker 2: Because you can see what Howell has by turning on

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00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: his film for his entire NFL career. That's what I think.

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Speaker 2: All right. One of these two people wrote a book.

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00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: It's coming out in a few weeks. We discussed that

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00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: next What's Right and the First in Pod podcast crossover.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in What's Right with Nick Wright

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00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 2: and First in Pod. It's a first ever crossover episode

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00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: we've ever done. This will show up on both of

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00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: the podcast feeds Danny Parkins Andrew Philippony from First and Pod,

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00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 2: and they're also going to be on First Things First

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00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: on Friday, which depends on when you're listening to this.

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Speaker 2: It's you know whatever, it doesn't matter, uh, Danny, Yes, sir,

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00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe you were doing this when you told

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Speaker 2: me you were doing it.

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Speaker 3: It was it was a dumb idea.

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Speaker 2: So I'm holding this up to the camera. I dumb

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00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: idea is not the right word. It was a big

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Speaker 2: tech undertaking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Danny Parkins and his dear friend Ben Kaplan wrote

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Speaker 2: a book called Pipeline to the Pros. And when I

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00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: say wrote a book, not like a pamphlet, like a

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Speaker 2: real long book, it comes out with like a real

1107
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: publisher and stuff it no, no, a whole thing, go ahead,

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00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: it comes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes out April sixteenth. Pipeline of the Pros,

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00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: how d three small college Nobody's Rose to Rule the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so listen, I've read the book. It's outstanding. Jeff

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: ban Gundi wrote the foreword, and it is do you

1113
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: guys remember when we were in college and like, I

1114
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: feel like you tried to dunk a basketball and broke

1115
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: your wrist. That happened. That's not the story I was

1116
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 2: gonna go to. I feel like it was a big

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00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: thing at war or college radio station, and now I

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00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: don't quite remember it. It was called like the Cradle

1119
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Speaker 2: of Coaches or the Cradle of Quarterback. It was some

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Speaker 2: area of Ohio that, like all these kind.

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Speaker 4: Of Miami, Ohio was the cradle of coaches, and like

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00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 4: all of these coaches came from all these NFL coaches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah NFL. Okay, So the premise of this book, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Danny describe it, but it is wild

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Speaker 2: when you when you get into the actual numbers and

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00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: how Division III college basketball had, how those guys have

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00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 2: become some of the biggest power brokers in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: and what it teaches us about where the league is

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Speaker 2: headed and how it got there is fascinating. So you

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Speaker 2: go and explain it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I didn't know anything about this story, right,

1132
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: We went to Syra, but we have a very big,

1133
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: powerful alumni network of broadcasters, much like you know Wharton

1134
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: Business School or Harvard Medical School. It's a powerful network. Well,

1135
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 3: these guys who for the love of the game, basically

1136
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 3: after high school, didn't want to give up the game,

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00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: but had no dreams of playing at a Syracuse or

1138
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 3: a Duke or in North Carolina and were smart, went

1139
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 3: to these liberal arts colleges to get a good education

1140
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: and it was the only place that they could play.

1141
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 3: And then they realized as the game in the league

1142
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: was getting smarter, that they had a unique ability because

1143
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: of their intelligence, how you have to teach the game

1144
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 3: at that level, you're more of a teacher than like

1145
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 3: a talent manager. And they also could speak basketball because

1146
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: it's a pretty damn high level of competition, that they

1147
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: were uniquely qualified to be excellent coaches. In front office

1148
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: members a few years ago, thirteen of thirty teams had

1149
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 3: either a head coach or a top decision maker as

1150
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: in like president of basketball operations, the number one guy

1151
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: an organization that had played or coached D three. So

1152
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: we're talking about.

1153
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 2: Give us some of the names. So we're talking about.

1154
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: Like Greg Popovich, Sam Presty with the Knicks, both Tom

1155
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: Thibodeaux and Leon Rose, the forward by Jeff Van Gundy,

1156
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: Stan van Gundy, he hires Tibbs, Steve Clifford, Frank Vogel,

1157
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: Mike Butenholzer, So all of these guys.

1158
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: So not just so not just the powerful guys, but

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00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: some of the most well regarded champion coaches or championship

1160
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: level coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Kobe Altman who runs the Cavs, rafel Stone,

1162
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: who runs the Rockets. And so what we did was

1163
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: Brett Brad Stevens. I talked to Brad Stevens for ninety minutes.

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00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: I mean, so we talked to these guys.

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00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: Brad Stevens was D three guy.

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00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yeah, And so we talked to these guys

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00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: and the network that they've created. We talked at this

1168
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: radio conference, right, we helped our friends, yep, along the way.

1169
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: These guys helped their friends along the way. And it

1170
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 3: was once a couple of them got in Jeff Van

1171
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: Gundy and Greg Popovich probably is the biggest modern names

1172
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: that you would know. They said, it really is just teaching.

1173
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 3: I just need people who can teach these guys. Basketball

1174
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 3: players want to learn. They don't care if you're six

1175
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: foot nothing, one hundred and fifty pounds. If you can

1176
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: teach Patrick Ewing how to be better, or you can

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00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 3: teach Tim Duncan how to be better, it doesn't matter

1178
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: that you could have never played at his level. And

1179
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: so that's the basketball side. The things that they've impacted

1180
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: in NBA history are incredible. But it's also I think

1181
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: it's like a management primer. It's a story of networking,

1182
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: it's about the value of a good liberal arts education.

1183
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 3: It's I think people would really get a lot out

1184
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: of it, So listen.

1185
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: It is if you're a big NBA fan, it is

1186
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: I think one of the best in kind of unique

1187
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 2: idea NBA books to come out in years. Even though,

1188
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: but if you are watching this and you're not a

1189
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: big NBA fan, it is it is applicable to a

1190
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: lot of fields about how to find talented people, and

1191
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: maybe not the places you would initially think to. I

1192
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you a couple other questions though, because

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00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: I Will Hardy is a guy I don't know if

1194
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: you mentioned him. Chris Finch obviously talk to both of

1195
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: them for the book. And so when did this really

1196
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: start like is there ay, you mentioned the Van Gundyes,

1197
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: but was there a moment where you saw, like, oh,

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00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: it went from being there was one guy like this

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Speaker 2: to a surplus of guys like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so like in the post, so you can

1201
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 3: go back further right with like a Karl Sheer or

1202
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: a Norm Sanzhu and like some of the guys like

1203
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: the Carl Sheer helps the Nuggets and the ABA transformation

1204
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: and bringing All Star weekends to the NBA all sorts

1205
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: of like you can go back in NBA history and

1206
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: find one offs Bill Musselman guys like that. But Greg

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00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: Popovich and Jeff Van Gundy after them, I mean they

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00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: hired everybody. Sam Presty gets hired by pop and then

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01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: Sam Presty starts emailing these NESCAC schools, these Northeast Liberal

1210
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 3: Arts schools, emailing their coaches and saying, hey, do you

1211
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: have anyone on your staff but or on your on

1212
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: your team, on your roster or your managers who are

1213
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: smart and could apply like data sciences, And then he

1214
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 3: hires them to.

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Speaker 4: Run there and like what Belichick did for a lot

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 4: of the D three guys, it sounds remarkably like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very it's very similar, and I mean

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01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: and bringing guys into the video coordinator rooms, coaching staffs

1219
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 3: have been expanded, the G League, all of that stuff,

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: and so there's just there's more opportunity now it's not

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01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 3: just I got four assistant coaches and I've got to

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Speaker 3: fill it with an XNBA player.

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Speaker 2: All right, real quick before we wrap up, Yeah, what's

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Speaker 2: the pushback on this? By putting that on your book?

1225
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: But on the I imagine there are some people that

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01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, and that's why guys who play in

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Speaker 2: the league, who have real hands on the ground experience

1228
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: playing big time basketball, that there's not as much room

1229
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: for them. Is there a level of I don't know

1230
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: if resentments the right word, but pushback or resentment or anything.

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Speaker 3: Well, so we asked all these guys for stories about,

1232
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 3: you know, people challenging them and players not buying in

1233
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 3: and all of that, and it was a wide range.

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01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 3: Like some guys were like absolutely, like hub Brown talking

1235
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: about Oscar Robertson, like think he was going to drown

1236
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: him in an ocean. Talk to Hube Brown for two

1237
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: hours and forty five minutes in the book. Jeff Van Gundy, though,

1238
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 3: was like I would have never been hired if it

1239
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 3: was an interim job.

1240
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: No, no team would have ever believed me.

1241
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: But I got the interim job and I had humble

1242
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: superstars and Patrick Ewing vouched for me and then made

1243
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 3: his career. So those anecdotes are more on like a

1244
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: case by case basis, but there are a lot of

1245
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 3: unique challenge challenges there. And then I would just also

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: just like say one more thing, like I'm donating the

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01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: money that I make from the book to brain cancer research,

1248
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: to Brain Up and honor my brother Brad. This you

1249
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 3: mentioned like you couldn't believe that I was taking this on.

1250
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 3: Ben's dad diagnosed with a rare disease after we started

1251
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 3: the book passed away. Both my dad and brother passed

1252
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: away all during the process from like concept to publication.

1253
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: So it's a story like for us, it's an accomplishment

1254
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: of like friendship. It was a distraction, perseverance, and we're

1255
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: hoping to raise a little bit of money for brain

1256
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Speaker 3: cancer research and honor my brother.

1257
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Speaker 2: So the people, the first and Pod crew knows that

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01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: Danny's brother about three and a half years ago was

1259
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: diagnosed about three and a half user goes dinosed with

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Speaker 2: glue oblastoma.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess actually coming up on four and

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01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 3: a half years ago, oh fo yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And made it for almost three years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's I guess, yes, we're coming out four

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 3: year because he's been dead. He died last Easter.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, And so that went through that entire process

1267
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: during the writing of this book. So, as he mentioned,

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01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: every dollar that he generates from this will go to

1269
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: the research to try it, which they've made real strides

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Speaker 2: on just in the last since I've been familiar with

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01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: the last few years. But it still considered an uncurable

1272
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: form correct of brain cancer. And so the book is

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Speaker 2: Pipeline to the Pros. People can pre order it now.

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01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, preorders are going. Preorders are going very well.

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Speaker 3: And it's you'd have it April sixteenth.

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: April sixteenth, right before Easter this year, right or right

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: around yeah, this year. Pipeline to the Pros. They can

1278
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: just google it, like, is there a website to go to?

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: Just Google Pipeline of the Pros. It's available at Barnes

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 3: and Noble, Amazon, wherever you get books, Triumph books dot com.

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01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,479
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's in my Twitter handle. It's the pins

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 3: tweet you just pipeline of the pros, you'll find it awesome.

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01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: It's I we about a year ago on the show

1284
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: we did book club. We then stopped it because I

1285
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: didn't really know how to do book club. I would

1286
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: just like to read chapters on the air. It was

1287
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: terrible podcasting. But this book is worthwhile for everyone, and

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01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: I really hope though What's Right audience, obviously the First

1289
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: and Pod audience checks it out. All right, fellas, we

1290
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: gotta go. Great job everyone, Thank you for the bonus episode.

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01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: If you're listening on First and podspeed, subscribe to the

1292
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: right podcast. If you're listening to What's Right Feed, subscribe

1293
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: to the First and Pod podcast and we will talk

1294
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,720
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