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Speaker 1: welcome in Friday morning time to play Sharper Square in

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Speaker 1: ten minutes with Chad Milman. So I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this with OBJ and the Cowboys, which I talked about

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Speaker 1: this week. A perfect illustration of why the Cowboys should

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Speaker 1: go for it with OBJ is Matt Stafford in the Rams.

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Speaker 1: So Matt Stafford is on the market. He said he

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Speaker 1: was unhappy, and three or four or six or seven

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Speaker 1: teams make a run at him, and the Rams land him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but even with Stafford, he had some hot and cold Sundays.

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Speaker 1: So they go and make a move for O. B

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Speaker 1: in season. And those two were key essential pieces, no question,

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Speaker 1: because they're both gone now and the Rams aren't the

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Speaker 1: same team. They were essential pieces to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So think about that. Even if the Rams acquired Matt Stafford,

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Speaker 1: had they not also aggressively landed Von Miller and O

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Speaker 1: b J. This morning, they're a team without a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and a quarterback in Stafford that's had a bad

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Speaker 1: year and is entering concussion protocol that would be no

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Speaker 1: better than Jared Goff. In fact, Goff at least stayed

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Speaker 1: mostly healthy. So the Rams there's no point in going

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Speaker 1: almost all in. Stafford is going almost all in. But

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Speaker 1: they identified they needed more juice beyond Cooper Cup and

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Speaker 1: Van Jefferson. They identified Aaron Donald with double teams, let's

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Speaker 1: add an edge rusher, so you don't do those moves.

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Speaker 1: You've got Stafford who's all banged up, having a disappointing season,

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Speaker 1: and you still don't have first round picks. So the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are close. This is something the Packers have always thought.

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Speaker 1: They're good enough. That's why they have won Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. The Cowboys are good enough to win

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Speaker 1: playoff games. I think they're probably good enough to win two,

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Speaker 1: but remember they're a wild card team. That's what they're

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Speaker 1: going to be as of today. You go on that road,

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Speaker 1: just need some extra juice. And you know, this is

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Speaker 1: a team that has been historically pretty aggressive trades, acquisitions,

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Speaker 1: free agent market, maybe all started by Jerry Jones. But

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Speaker 1: if Phillies makes a move, they did, Minnesota makes a move,

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Speaker 1: they did, Niners make a move, Buffalo makes a move,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City makes a move. If you truly believe you're

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Speaker 1: in that class those teams, Buffalo's favored to win the

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Speaker 1: NFC today on the betting markets, and they're still making moves.

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Speaker 1: So the Rams are a great example that people thought

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Speaker 1: Stafford's going all in. No Stafford, get your right on

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Speaker 1: the door. It was Von Miller and O b J.

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Speaker 1: That is all in. Dallas has to spend whatever it

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Speaker 1: takes to get ob J. He is just the kind

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Speaker 1: of player that can make a handful of plays, just

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't talk a lot of baseball in

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Speaker 1: the offseason, but I think the Aaron Judge market is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: It's down to the Yankees, Dodgers in San Francisco Giants.

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Speaker 1: And something I've noticed in my profession radio, podcasting, television,

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Speaker 1: movies a year. Either they make a billion or we're

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Speaker 1: not interested in making the movie. There's only a handful

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Speaker 1: of players, non pitchers in baseball that can actually lead

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Speaker 1: you on winning streaks, lead you to playoff wins. Bryce Harper,

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Speaker 1: we saw it in Philadelphia. He led them to the

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Speaker 1: World Series. Now in the end, the great pitching Houston

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Speaker 1: these platforms, the top one percent pay whatever it takes.

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Speaker 1: Everything else floats, everything else is movable, everything else is transactional.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers draw over ten thousand more fans per game

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Speaker 1: than the second best drawing team in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: That probably gains them eighty one games, seventy five eighty

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Speaker 1: When a Rod went to the Yankees, I remember hearing

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Speaker 1: has a Paul Bunyan quality. There's nobody like him in

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Speaker 1: the sport. Mookie Betts, Mike Trout really great players, but

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Speaker 1: baseball has like Bryce Harper, Aaron Judge. That's it. In

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Speaker 1: terms of putting butts in seats during the week. You

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Speaker 1: have to go for it. These big movie studios, now

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Speaker 1: you make us a billion or we're moving off you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the independent film actors raise your own funds. Big boy

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Speaker 1: studios aren't paying for that. So there's an interesting app

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Speaker 1: called stat Muse, and they have sort of a cartoon

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Speaker 1: drawing of people and they give you really interesting stats,

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Speaker 1: and one of them the other day. I look at

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Speaker 1: it every day. I like data, I like numbers, and

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting. Regardless of your opinion on Kyrie

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Speaker 1: I said last year multiple times, he's the only star

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Speaker 1: I can ever remember in my life that I would

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Speaker 1: trade for rotational pieces. I think he's a coach killer,

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Speaker 1: a culture killer. But it's interesting if you look at

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets this season, according to stat Muse, in

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Speaker 1: the eight games with Kyrie, they won two times and

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Speaker 1: without him, they had three wins and were first in

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Speaker 1: defense and by the way, with him eighteenth in offense,

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Speaker 1: without him seventh in offense. It's interesting, right we view

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Speaker 1: him as such a magical offensive presence. But one of

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Speaker 1: the things that's always been really off putting to me

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Speaker 1: about Kyrie, He's not a good distributor. Steph Currie is

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul Is that Kyrie is that guy we've all

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Speaker 1: Is that Kyrie to me, is not a winning player.

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Speaker 1: He's just a really gifted player. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: you told me I get Kyrie or Westbrook as a player,

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Speaker 1: I'd take Kyrie because it's more of a shooters league.

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Speaker 1: But Kyrie is so poor defensively and his assist totals

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Speaker 1: on Kawhi Leonard. Kawhi Leonard gets you a bucket and

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Speaker 1: He doesn't elevate others. He doesn't pass the ball. And

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Speaker 1: with Kyrie, and the stat News has it right. Kyrie

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Speaker 1: elevates Kyrie. Kevin Durant gives you an effort on the

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Speaker 1: great closer. But the difference between Kevin Durant and Kyrie

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Speaker 1: isn't just they're both offensively gifted or the size. It's

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Speaker 1: just to make the NBA even defensive specialists in college

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Speaker 1: defensive end and stat News it's a very interesting site

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Speaker 1: that Brooklyn is better offensively and significantly better defensively when

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Speaker 1: Kyrie's not on the floor. We fall in love with

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Speaker 1: Arizona twice as favorites over them. I watched eight quarters.

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