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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph.

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Speaker 1: I've never told your production off I Heart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Women Around the World when

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Speaker 1: we just celebrate all the women doing all the amazing

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Speaker 1: things and we want to keep lifting them up because

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Speaker 1: you know, they need their flowers and they should get

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Speaker 1: them while they're still with us. But before we start,

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Speaker 1: a I do have a pretty intense personal question and

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Speaker 1: just so you know, listeners, and I did ask her

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Speaker 1: before so that she was prepared let it and you know,

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Speaker 1: put her on the spot. I think the other people

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Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, why would you ask this?

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Speaker 1: It's you know, because we we love each other and

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Speaker 1: we love sharing with you all our listeners, our personal thoughts.

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Speaker 1: But for you, who has come out as queer, uh,

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Speaker 1: not so recently but recently, but definitely recently to some

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Speaker 1: p what was the hardest part about coming out? I

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Speaker 1: think the hardest part for me because I identify, as

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Speaker 1: I have said, as like a sexual slash maybe gray

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Speaker 1: so hard in a lot of ways. You know, I

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Speaker 1: as an a sexual person, it was easy to like pass.

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Speaker 1: So I think for me coming out, I had a

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Speaker 1: lot of doubts about well, I didn't go through all

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Speaker 1: these horrific things I've seen other queer people go through,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not queer enough. Um. And then I hate

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Speaker 1: to admit this, but I was almost embarrassed for people

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Speaker 1: who had dated me. Yeah it's terrible, like it's not

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Speaker 1: that no one would believe me, that they would dismiss it,

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Speaker 1: and they would say like essentially what we've seen, what

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Speaker 1: we've talked about in past episodes with a sexuality of

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Speaker 1: oh you just don't like sex, so like that fear

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Speaker 1: of being dismissed, being judged, being like looked down upon

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Speaker 1: or they think it's a phase or something like that

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Speaker 1: just dismiss it, right, And I know there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of conversation right now, especially in the US and around

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Speaker 1: the world, as the queer community feel like they're being

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Speaker 1: targeted and they are, I think specifically by morality police

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Speaker 1: as well as the right wing conservative political stances. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important that we keep talking about

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Speaker 1: that because you're you know what you went through, even

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Speaker 1: though it's very deeply personal for you, and it is

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Speaker 1: individualistic like everybody goes through different things. You've had a

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Speaker 1: better reception from your community, which I love, which I

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Speaker 1: hope you felt that way as part as being part

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Speaker 1: about within your own self that whole like, how how

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Speaker 1: are my ex partners? I think that's legitimate. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we talked about that a lot. How it affects

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Speaker 1: that is a Bianca Rodriguez and Bianca. It's a Salvadorian

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Speaker 1: In Human Rights Watch report, it was stated that the

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Speaker 1: Calm Cavist Trans from their site calm cavis dot org.

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