Speaker 1: Oh, I suck at dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jarrett
Speaker 1: and I heard radio podcast What's going on? Everybody? Welcome
Speaker 1: to an all new episode of Help. I suck at data. Well,
Speaker 1: the only one that does is Dean. That was a
Speaker 1: zing roast. Dean. That's great. Well, as you guys can tell,
Speaker 1: Vanessa is in studio, not over the phone. Dean, as
Speaker 1: always is in studio. We are joined by Eastern. We
Speaker 1: have a wonderful episode for you today. Is a really
Speaker 1: interesting topic, especially something that's very personal to me, something
Speaker 1: that I've already openly talked about. What have you talked
Speaker 1: about openly? We spoke about pretty much everything. What The
Speaker 1: better question is what? What? Three? This episode is focused
Speaker 1: on Vanessa and in particular, one very specific thing about
Speaker 1: Vanessa's anatomy. Yeah, can you guess my favorite part of
Speaker 1: Vanessa's anatomy. I just also want the audience. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in between Vanessa and Gane right now, and I'm feeling
Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable. Anyways, there's one part, one part. There's
Speaker 1: one part so important to me, it's also very important
Speaker 1: to her. I think that UH is one of the
Speaker 1: most important things about her. And she talked about in
Speaker 1: the past, message your mind, elaborating a little bit for
Speaker 1: the listeners out there about what we're gonna just dive
Speaker 1: into a little bit more. We're gonna have some guests
Speaker 1: on talking about there. What part of your Vanessa are
Speaker 1: we about to dive into. Well, it's round, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: two of them. Well there's more than two. Not well,
Speaker 1: I know inside there's more than two. This podcast has
Speaker 1: gone different. And I thought, talking about talking about my ovaries,
Speaker 1: there's two ovaries. I was talking about the eggs in particular.
Speaker 1: But I do love the ovaries. If the eggs would
Speaker 1: be meaningless at the ovaries right right, And so the
Speaker 1: overaries are just as mission critical as the eggs, and
Speaker 1: so for that reason, I respect and appreciate those beautiful
Speaker 1: ovaries just as much as those eggs. And signing here
Speaker 1: as well, well, why are we talking about your ovaries? Well,
Speaker 1: because I've openly uh the episode that I did by myself,
Speaker 1: I I literally started crying. You were here, Easton was here,
Speaker 1: Mark was here. Mark was like, well, Vanessa, would you
Speaker 1: ever consider having a child without a significant other? And
Speaker 1: I literally just like choked up, and he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. I asked you this. I'm like, no, it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's just been weighing on me because at that point
Speaker 1: when he asked me, I was single and I wasn't
Speaker 1: dating anyone seriously. And I am thirty one. And last
Speaker 1: year when I turned thirty, I got off the birth
Speaker 1: control pill. But I was on it because of my
Speaker 1: menstrual cramps. And I'm like, oh, I've been on it
Speaker 1: for so long. I just don't want any like foreign subject,
Speaker 1: foreign like born things in my body anymore. So I
Speaker 1: got rid of what are you laughing at? Sorry? My
Speaker 1: mom is calling you? Hold on my phone away? Should I?
Speaker 1: Should I call my mom back? What's your mom's name?
Speaker 1: My mom is Nancy. I want to ask her what
Speaker 1: she thinks about I'm so sorry. I just was like,
Speaker 1: of course, my mom, all right, let me call her
Speaker 1: back and let me see if Nancy answers the phone.
Speaker 1: Can I answer it for you? Answer the phone? Uh? Sure.
Speaker 1: I've never met Mrs Hiban, right, Mrs Haybon. Hi, this
Speaker 1: is HI. This is Dean. How are you. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I don't know if your son has told you about
Speaker 1: me at all, but him and I co host a
Speaker 1: podcast together weekly called Help I stuck at dating? Have
Speaker 1: you heard of it? You're you're You're live, You're live
Speaker 1: on air on help? I suck at dating right now?
Speaker 1: Don't or your son is sitting right next to me.
Speaker 1: He's perfectly safe. Um, Vanessa is here as well. We
Speaker 1: just wanted to take some time to say hello. Oh hello,
Speaker 1: well thank you for Oh my god? Is the best
Speaker 1: accent ever? Is that the um? Where are you from again? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm from Rhode Island? Is that the Rhode Island act? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a Boston accent. Mom, what are you doing now?
Speaker 1: Have time to love you. That's so lucky to have
Speaker 1: you as a future mother in law. You seem so sweet.
Speaker 1: That's Vanessa. You remember Vanessa? She was on nixt season. Yeah. Hi,
Speaker 1: all right, well Mom, I'll call you when we're out
Speaker 1: of here. Alright, bye, Mrs Hey fun at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: By and Mom, I told you about Thrive Market. You
Speaker 1: should be doing Thrive Market. All right, love you, bye,
Speaker 1: pleasure talking to you. Alright bye. Mom. That's so good.
Speaker 1: She seems like such a sweet she is the she
Speaker 1: might be the sweetest woman I've ever met. My mom too,
Speaker 1: is the sweetest human being ever. She doesn't have a
Speaker 1: bad bone in her world around. I'm sorry, what were
Speaker 1: you saying? You were talking about your No, it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay. I I'm the one that doesn't
Speaker 1: have a mom Oh, I'm sorry, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go back to talking about Vanessa's ovaries, back
Speaker 1: to the fun stuff. Um where who the hell knows?
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, where where am I? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was talking to I was I got off the
Speaker 1: birth control pill, I had like really bad mentional cramps. Um,
Speaker 1: And how recently was this? This is when I turned thirty? Okay,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so this is like five years ago.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not funny. Usually you're the one that
Speaker 1: always compliments me because you are I I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I like the sandwich things. You know. I want
Speaker 1: to compliment you, But I don't want to be right.
Speaker 1: We don't want to like make my ego. No, I
Speaker 1: don't want I want your head to be able to
Speaker 1: fit through the door. Yeah, actually, my head is so small.
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever realized how small my head is?
Speaker 1: It is we're talking about another part of your body. Okay,
Speaker 1: my ovaries. Sorry. And then so once I turned thirty,
Speaker 1: I didn't want any foreign, foreign thing in my body anymore.
Speaker 1: So I got off birth control. And then when I
Speaker 1: turned thirty one, I was like, wow, I'm still single.
Speaker 1: My body is ready to have kids, but I'm not
Speaker 1: dating anyone. What should I consider at this point in
Speaker 1: my life? And I know a few people in Batchelor
Speaker 1: world have done the egg freezing, and so I started
Speaker 1: having that subject with myself, and I started exploring that
Speaker 1: subject with my family. And I've never really looked into
Speaker 1: it too much because I felt like, um, it scared
Speaker 1: me a little bit. Why I think it scared me
Speaker 1: because if I dove into it, maybe I was going
Speaker 1: to stop my I don't know, it's like Jink, a
Speaker 1: last resort, And maybe that's why you were like, not
Speaker 1: a last resort, but like something you never imagined yourself doing.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, well because especially like in East Coast,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like in Montreal, it's not something that
Speaker 1: we openly really discussed. Like in l A. Everyone is
Speaker 1: so like it's fast forward here with very progressive. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was the last resort. I think, well,
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on this. Okay, Dean.
Speaker 1: If you and I would start dating and I said, hey, um,
Speaker 1: would you want to be a dad? What would you
Speaker 1: say if I told you that I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a dad? No, if I asked you, first of all,
Speaker 1: get off your phone. I know. I'm so sorry if
Speaker 1: I'm having a serious conversation. The teacher just came out
Speaker 1: of which was fantastic. Going to confidencecate your phone until
Speaker 1: the end of this podcast. So if I asked you,
Speaker 1: would you want to be a dad and you said yes,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, hey, um, I just froze my eggs, Okay,
Speaker 1: what would your reaction be or what would the first
Speaker 1: what would be the first thought that would come up?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Actually, be honest, I don't think that
Speaker 1: I would really take too much to put too much
Speaker 1: though in it. I was just thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it would really It wouldn't
Speaker 1: scare me at all. I don't think it would really
Speaker 1: give a second thought. Maybe it's because we're part of
Speaker 1: this world as well, and so it's not the first
Speaker 1: time that we as guy eyes, you're hearing about women
Speaker 1: freezing their eggs. I think it's it's very normalized. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: the subject of kids coming up so early on in
Speaker 1: a in a relationship is at what point should you
Speaker 1: start mentioning that. Because I've started, I think, um, whatever, uh,
Speaker 1: insecurities you have from like past relationships. I did this
Speaker 1: one guy that I've openly spoken about this when I
Speaker 1: was twenty four. I thought he was the love of
Speaker 1: my life. I thought I was gonna get married. He
Speaker 1: told me he didn't want kids, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Like for two years, I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to get married to this guy and have
Speaker 1: kids with him. And so every other relationship I would
Speaker 1: get into my first question, well, one of my first
Speaker 1: questions was do you want to have kids? And I
Speaker 1: think that's scared guys away. Well, so, my my experience
Speaker 1: with this is I've been asked the same question before
Speaker 1: as well, where it's I think it's good to nip
Speaker 1: it in the bud right and get it, get it
Speaker 1: on the table earlier rather than later. You don' wanta
Speaker 1: be dating someone for a year or two or however
Speaker 1: long to ultimately find out that this person doesn't want
Speaker 1: to have kids. You have that John Cena situation where
Speaker 1: him and his fiance because fiance wanted kids, he didn't
Speaker 1: want kids. Did you know that for a while? Mentioned
Speaker 1: you know, And that's a good point too. Maybe she
Speaker 1: thought that he could change she could change his mind,
Speaker 1: and I would never want to change someone else's mind. Um.
Speaker 1: I will say, I've I've dated older women in the past,
Speaker 1: and I do want kids at some point in my life.
Speaker 1: That's an absolute certainty, although I'm not ready for them
Speaker 1: anytime soon, and I want to at least address that
Speaker 1: whenever I speak with those types of women that are,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to have kids sooner rather than later,
Speaker 1: I at least address it very very early on by
Speaker 1: saying I want to have kids, but I just don't
Speaker 1: want to have them from another five plus years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if you're dating someone even after two months,
Speaker 1: I don't think the question is really, uh that unfair
Speaker 1: to ask for a woman to be like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: two seconds in, dude should walk out from this date. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's fair to I guess it all depends
Speaker 1: on where you are at in life. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're it's someone who is ready to get married tomorrow
Speaker 1: and have kids, and sure, of course you can ask
Speaker 1: on the first date, but that might scare du away
Speaker 1: if you ask them on the first date. I would
Speaker 1: give it at least maybe a few dates, get to
Speaker 1: know each other, really think that this could go somewhere
Speaker 1: and then maybe bring up the future. Well. So, so
Speaker 1: right now we have Sadie Murray on hold, who we
Speaker 1: know a little bit about. She's been on The Bachelor
Speaker 1: before season nine, which was Prince Lorenzo. Don't even pronounce,
Speaker 1: does it bottom Borges Boghassi, It's I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means. Anyways, she has been I guess she was
Speaker 1: maybe the original Bachelor virgin. That could correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on that. But um, we want to gather
Speaker 1: her inside a little bit because obviously any type of
Speaker 1: of insight can help you out with your with your
Speaker 1: quest as well. Um, so let's jump over to Sadie
Speaker 1: Murray if she is on the line, CD, are you
Speaker 1: there all right, Sadie? How are you hey? Sadie? Great?
Speaker 1: How are you guying? We are fantastic, Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking the time to speak with us today. So, um,
Speaker 1: you're joined with Jared, Vanessa and Dean and do you
Speaker 1: guys want to take over? Well, I was gonna say so, Sadie,
Speaker 1: just to give a little background to the listeners. Now, Sadie,
Speaker 1: you were on season nine of The Bachelor, and that
Speaker 1: was back in two thousand and seven, two thou eight.
Speaker 1: I know, it feels like there weren't even TVs then.
Speaker 1: There were definitely TVs. They were just black and white.
Speaker 1: I'm completely teasing. Um. And So, Sadie, an interesting fact
Speaker 1: about you which I did not know, and obviously it's
Speaker 1: pretty relevant with this current season of the Bachelor, was
Speaker 1: that you, uh were very open about your virginity on
Speaker 1: the show back then. Yes, I think it was the
Speaker 1: first girl to actually, like I guess, come out and
Speaker 1: talk about it. You were. I was the o G.
Speaker 1: I paved the way for Berton. Sadie. How old were
Speaker 1: you when you were on the show. I was twenty
Speaker 1: four at the time. So, and I honestly though, you guys, like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we've all talked about this before, but like
Speaker 1: you think, when you're talking about one thing, you don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to be used over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. I mean, there were so many other things
Speaker 1: that I talked about, and so that was that was
Speaker 1: definitely a shocker for me. When. I mean, honestly, I
Speaker 1: remember watching the premiere with all of my friends and
Speaker 1: family and like it was just like it was there
Speaker 1: were so many awkward silences, like there was not enough
Speaker 1: wine in the room to make anyone feel comfortable. But
Speaker 1: they all knew you were a virgin, too, right, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean I was raised Christian and that
Speaker 1: was definitely, you know, a part of my upbringing, and
Speaker 1: so it wasn't abnormal as far as you know, the
Speaker 1: friends that I had at the time that I think
Speaker 1: the just the emphasis on it was definitely a surprise. Well, so, Sadie,
Speaker 1: can you jump into your experience or your journey I
Speaker 1: guess post show then what kind of happened to you
Speaker 1: after and kind of fill us in on everything that
Speaker 1: we might have missed. Yeah, I wish it was so fun.
Speaker 1: So I loved being on camera. I was in pr
Speaker 1: before and I was behind the scenes and drinks aaston
Speaker 1: and beauty lifestyle pitching for magazines and TV shows. And
Speaker 1: then honestly, I cold called William morris Um through a
Speaker 1: friend at Extra. They were like you should. I was like,
Speaker 1: I really want to keep doing TV. I want to
Speaker 1: do that, you know. I was such a cliche. So
Speaker 1: like Coals called William Morris and I was like, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm a blonde girl who was a runner up a
Speaker 1: lot of Bachelor. I want to be a TV OS
Speaker 1: and They're like, oh my god, get in line. I
Speaker 1: ended up meeting with them and they signed with me
Speaker 1: for a few years, and that really um jump started
Speaker 1: my my world into TV. And since then, I you know,
Speaker 1: I got to host a few shows, but then I've
Speaker 1: created this business for myself to go to girlfriend where
Speaker 1: I'll curate different segments for various TV shows from extras
Speaker 1: to you know, k P l A or wherever Good
Speaker 1: Day l A and um, I'll go on and I'll
Speaker 1: talk about baston and beauty and my style. Right and
Speaker 1: I'm working on what to buy people for Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: So it's really really fun and I have the that
Speaker 1: sory to think for that truthfully, So what do you
Speaker 1: think people should buy their significant others for Valentine's Day?
Speaker 1: There's so many good things, but you can't right now,
Speaker 1: I'm talking with a few people. I love those and
Speaker 1: you have to go with flowers for sure, but not
Speaker 1: just rinky think flowers from the grocery store. I'm not
Speaker 1: a flower person at all. I think, even like when
Speaker 1: I was on the show, I mentioned how I like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a rose at a rose ceremony, Like obviously
Speaker 1: I wanted the rose for what it's symbolized, but I
Speaker 1: just I don't like flowers. I like what they're doing nowadays,
Speaker 1: they take like kale in arugula and they turn it
Speaker 1: into like, uh, like every girl in a flower arrangement,
Speaker 1: every girl says they're not flower girls, and then you
Speaker 1: don't get flowers farm on Valentine's Day? Can I say something?
Speaker 1: I told this guy that that I'm now dating, I
Speaker 1: told him I don't like flowers, and so he sent
Speaker 1: me before our first date is a bouquet of kid cat.
Speaker 1: That's very sweet, but that's what i'd rather, right, But
Speaker 1: like somebody you've been dating for quite some time, Like
Speaker 1: if I didn't get flowers for Ashley, and I don't
Speaker 1: think she's branded herself as a flower girl, she would
Speaker 1: be so sad. Yeah, there's definitely a certain appreciation. There's
Speaker 1: an for the flowers. I mean, just to do it.
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong, you know, you can't go wrong.
Speaker 1: Obviously I don't want to forget that. Yeah, jewelry is
Speaker 1: always a good one. Um, Sadie, I actually kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you a quick question about your experience
Speaker 1: on the bat Well Lorenzo, because you actually had a
Speaker 1: really interesting experience off show as well, because Sadie, you
Speaker 1: were runner up on your season season nine of The
Speaker 1: Bath Stor and then he picked someone else, but then
Speaker 1: he broke up with her, and then you guys started
Speaker 1: dating again. Yes, how did that happen? So it was
Speaker 1: really wild because I walked into that final ceremony's feeling
Speaker 1: really really confident, like I he was going to pick me,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't. I didn't think I was like the
Speaker 1: greatest thing on earth. But I was like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was He's going to pick me that Why wouldn't he?
Speaker 1: We had such a great time. So I was really
Speaker 1: thrown when he didn't. And then I remember he covered
Speaker 1: his mic and started like tapping it and was like,
Speaker 1: I'll text you after the show. I'll text you after
Speaker 1: all of this, and I'll explain later. It was a
Speaker 1: pay phone, Vanessa, Um right, I remember though, I was
Speaker 1: at the airport and I was just like called, I
Speaker 1: called my mom and I'm like, I have no idea
Speaker 1: what just happened, like, I don't know what is going
Speaker 1: to air. I don't know what's happened. But he was
Speaker 1: emailing me at the time and was like I wanted
Speaker 1: to pick you, but really confused. And then so yeah,
Speaker 1: long story, stort uh. He was doing all the press
Speaker 1: with Jed the Winner, and I was watching them on
Speaker 1: Good Morning America and he was texting me like love diet.
Speaker 1: So it was really how soon n did he break
Speaker 1: up with her and start dieting? You? Um, I would
Speaker 1: stay within a couple of months. A couple of months, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I moved. I moved to New York for a job
Speaker 1: right after the show. I was like I needed I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys felt this way, but didn't
Speaker 1: you did you feel like you needed sort of like
Speaker 1: another high right after the show, like another I wanted
Speaker 1: to get far away from it. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: wanted to get far away from it in my own way,
Speaker 1: but I wanted like another major. I wanted something else
Speaker 1: to go to. I was really I loved it. I
Speaker 1: wanted one more thing. And so I ended up getting
Speaker 1: a job in New York and he lived in New York,
Speaker 1: and so we naturally started and so. I mean it
Speaker 1: was super casual. But you know, was he an actual potence?
Speaker 1: He was a prince by nobility, so he wasn't a royal.
Speaker 1: It was just basically a family given. How all so
Speaker 1: could like I give myself the title of prince in
Speaker 1: my family? No, I mean it's not like Queen Latifa,
Speaker 1: but I believe it like them in his campaign, it's
Speaker 1: like that, you know. Yeah, so it went. It was
Speaker 1: basically through no ability. Well do you still watch The
Speaker 1: Bachelor today? Yeah? I mean I'll get in when I can.
Speaker 1: I'm trying my hardest to get into this season. Um,
Speaker 1: that premiere was just so long. Yeah, part I couldn't
Speaker 1: watch the live part. Sorry about that. The host of
Speaker 1: the live part just really killed it for me. You know,
Speaker 1: a great thanks, I appreciate what. Well. The reason I
Speaker 1: asked is because I'm curious from someone who's been in
Speaker 1: the franchise but was on season nine. Uh, do you
Speaker 1: notice any really huge differences between what the show was
Speaker 1: back then and what it is now? I mean it
Speaker 1: is it's so elevated as far as the characters go.
Speaker 1: I mean on my season, it was everybody was kind
Speaker 1: of um not not like basics but really they seemed
Speaker 1: more normal. I feel like it's really amplified, like with
Speaker 1: the girl bringing her puppy and then the chariot, Like
Speaker 1: everything is just a little bit more amplified. And I
Speaker 1: mean it makes for great TV, um. I mean, especially
Speaker 1: when you're competing against other shows like Married at first Night.
Speaker 1: I mean, we need it to be watchable, like we
Speaker 1: want to be stucked in. So I would say as
Speaker 1: far as the foundation goes, it is all completely the same.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's just the girls are a little
Speaker 1: bit more um exciting. Exciting is a good way to
Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, a lot a lot of different carcs.
Speaker 1: How would you put a dean? I would say exactly that,
Speaker 1: that they're a little bit more exciting. I mean I
Speaker 1: didn't watch The Bachelor in two two thous eight, but
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like the leads. I mean they
Speaker 1: got a prince to be one of the leads. Colton
Speaker 1: is a former professional football player. That's true. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was like back then, I thought
Speaker 1: it was uh like princes and stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess like that's when it first came out. I
Speaker 1: think it used to be a little bit more Uh,
Speaker 1: celebrity driven, um and high profile, That's what I meant.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's probably changed over the years
Speaker 1: because I think audiences really get attached and I think
Speaker 1: the Bachelor kind of found its formula by bringing someone
Speaker 1: who you know, listen, whoever the Bachelor of the Bachelorette
Speaker 1: is is extremely good looking, probably pretty successful. Um. But
Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, I'm sure that they like bringing
Speaker 1: them in likable, right, and a little bit more relatable.
Speaker 1: I think they like having their lead a little bit
Speaker 1: more relatable today, right, Sadie. So we're actually we're having
Speaker 1: a conversation. I'm thirty one and I was on Nick
Speaker 1: season at the Bachelor, got engaged to Nick ended, our
Speaker 1: relationship ended. I don't know how many months in November
Speaker 1: Rember jennied six months. No, well we got engaged in
Speaker 1: November and we only came out in March. Anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: whatever under a year. And uh, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: after him and I, after our relationship ended, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: for sure, like meet someone or whatever. And I hadn't
Speaker 1: met anyone up until very recently. So when I turned
Speaker 1: thirty one, which is a couple of months ago, I
Speaker 1: was having this conversation with myself of egg freezing. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what your take is on that. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know how old you are, Um, but what
Speaker 1: would you your thirty five? Okay, you're thirty five and single,
Speaker 1: and have you ever had the conversation of freezing your eggs? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I recently. So I'm like you, I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's almost like not that the relationship dictates
Speaker 1: your whole life birthday, but I basically I went through
Speaker 1: a series of I mean relationships recently where it just
Speaker 1: didn't work out and timing hasn't lined up that the
Speaker 1: biological clock is still real, and so I had to,
Speaker 1: like you, look at it from just a logical perspective,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I was thirty four when my last relationship ended,
Speaker 1: and I was like wow, because I really thought we
Speaker 1: were going to get married. I really thought that this
Speaker 1: was going to be the next phase of my life
Speaker 1: and I would start thinking about a family and all that,
Speaker 1: and then it abruptly came to an end. And so
Speaker 1: I went and met with a fertility doctor and he
Speaker 1: was like, you are in the nick of time. You
Speaker 1: want to do this, you know, within the next year
Speaker 1: or so, and so I ended up freezing my eggs.
Speaker 1: Um no past November. Yeah, and so, and it went
Speaker 1: really well. It was it was amazing. But I mean,
Speaker 1: and the process alone is it's a little daunting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty brutal, Like don't you have to enjoy? I don't.
Speaker 1: So I I was thinking about it. I never really
Speaker 1: looked into what the process is, Like, I know, Caitlin
Speaker 1: Bristow did it, and now she's stoody three years old
Speaker 1: and she's newly single. Um and so I guess like,
Speaker 1: as a woman, you have these conversations with yourself because
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, well I want to have kids, but
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you know, there's enough
Speaker 1: eggs left in me, and the eggs that are that
Speaker 1: are left in me are like really good, Like yeah, exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: So they say, so you were thirty four or thirty five,
Speaker 1: when you're thirty five? When you did it at thirty
Speaker 1: five when I did it, I honestly though, it took
Speaker 1: me a year to sort of process what I was
Speaker 1: about because I didn't have anybody to talk to about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't really have none of my girlfriends
Speaker 1: have done it. You know, I'm sort of business the
Speaker 1: first one, and there were a couple of people, one
Speaker 1: of the girls actually on the Real Housewives of Orange
Speaker 1: County Emily See. I met her maybe a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago, and she was the one that encouraged
Speaker 1: me to do it. And she was like, why wait,
Speaker 1: Like why what are you waiting for? You guess it's
Speaker 1: the five that just paralyzes you from moving forward and
Speaker 1: actually doing it. Yeah, especially because I mean, but this
Speaker 1: thing is though, it's it's temporary pain for something that
Speaker 1: for peace of mind, which will last as long as
Speaker 1: you need it to, until you have your cute little baby.
Speaker 1: And I just thought to myself, I'm the kind of
Speaker 1: person that will do anything for my family, no matter what.
Speaker 1: Family is the most important thing to me. And I
Speaker 1: thought about how for my future family when I do
Speaker 1: have my kiddos, I'll run through fire, I'll you know,
Speaker 1: jump in front of a train for them, Like I'll
Speaker 1: sacrifice anything, So why not start sacrificing now? And I mean,
Speaker 1: I could, I can deal. I have to kind of
Speaker 1: break it down. I was like, Okay, the worst of
Speaker 1: the worst is this the pain from the needles. The
Speaker 1: I'm going to be probably a little crazy for the
Speaker 1: next like six weeks. And that's the thing. It's I
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt you. I think, like, I don't think
Speaker 1: men realize how emotional. At least I can get very
Speaker 1: emotional around like the time of my period, and I
Speaker 1: can get like very not moody, but I'll be super
Speaker 1: tired all at once, you know, and then I want
Speaker 1: to just like lay in bed and my stomach will
Speaker 1: herd and my flowes not even that heavy, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what's what's happening my Like, my it's not a heavy flow,
Speaker 1: but I'm like super tired. I gotta be honest. When
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning, I did not think that
Speaker 1: I was going to hear the phrase my flow is
Speaker 1: not that heavy. You know, there are some there's some
Speaker 1: pretty famous movie stars their actresses that I frozen their eggs,
Speaker 1: like Olivia Munn, Sophia Vergara, Maria Manunos. They have all
Speaker 1: frozen that. So how old were they when they froze them?
Speaker 1: Probably in early thirties. I don't have exact numbers on that,
Speaker 1: but you're right, I mean, and people don't take into it.
Speaker 1: Men don't take take into account the toll that it
Speaker 1: probably has on a female's body, including even like uh
Speaker 1: like birth control, like that stuff has a big I
Speaker 1: think the booze are going to grow. They never grew.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, bob, they are your boobs. Can
Speaker 1: you can like gain weight or like get like bigger?
Speaker 1: It doesn't your body kind of start adjusting to it,
Speaker 1: have to use it for a while, and then it's
Speaker 1: I was I just never never had a reaction to me.
Speaker 1: I think it's on a very low dose. Then just
Speaker 1: go through life thinking that this is just you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing really to worry about, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: that goes on that we don't have three pre like preconceiving,
Speaker 1: and then after like once you're pregnant, that's a whole
Speaker 1: I've never been pregnant, but I'm I've seen my sister
Speaker 1: go through and all my really close friends. And then
Speaker 1: you have to push a baby out of your watermelonlon
Speaker 1: for a minute, what the what the equivalent is? They said,
Speaker 1: is imagine pushing out a golf ball? Well, they say
Speaker 1: they say that kidney stones are very comparable. Can you
Speaker 1: tell us about you? Can you tell us about your
Speaker 1: dating life? Post? Don't use anything that can be comparable. Egg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what stating for You've been like since November, it's
Speaker 1: been so free. I mean, this was the the other
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to tell you, Grys that it's so
Speaker 1: it's so empowering to be able to do it because
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm taking the pressure off. Like egg
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, Like, okay, I cadn't
Speaker 1: because even though I need a great guy and I
Speaker 1: go on a date and we have so much fun
Speaker 1: and it's amazing, I think as a one, and you
Speaker 1: just sort of start to go through the process of
Speaker 1: like the timeline, okay, like if we date for a year,
Speaker 1: that's the year of my life. And what if we
Speaker 1: don't getting dates, then I'm back where I started, Like
Speaker 1: you kind of go through what could be of course,
Speaker 1: and I'm just not doing that anymore. And so it's
Speaker 1: made it really light and free and fun and easy.
Speaker 1: And I know that I've got my eggs on ice
Speaker 1: and they're there for me for whenever I'm ready, and
Speaker 1: until then, I don't have to sacrifice, you know, my
Speaker 1: standards for wanting to have a family. I hope that
Speaker 1: that's the encouragement I want to hear from a guy's
Speaker 1: perspective too. Though, well, you'll find it. We'll get there.
Speaker 1: If you get real men on this podcast, you know
Speaker 1: I would do it. Just do it. I mean honestly,
Speaker 1: if you have the means and you have the time,
Speaker 1: It's not like you go psycho for six weeks. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can handle it. You may just be crampy. You're
Speaker 1: not like you're not you're not doing like, You're not
Speaker 1: like committing crimes. Sadie, What are the odds? What are
Speaker 1: the odds we see you on another bachelor's show, Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise, Come on Paradise this summer. You're single. You're single.
Speaker 1: I always say never, say never, Sadie. It's really nice
Speaker 1: this time of year. The pressure is off. You have
Speaker 1: your eggs frozen. I know you're so right. I think
Speaker 1: I think that is sale that rather go to border
Speaker 1: by Art to um like on my own with video
Speaker 1: without cameras around, would get that. That makes all of
Speaker 1: us we'll Sadie, thank you so thank you so much
Speaker 1: for calling in and sharing your experience with everything. Do
Speaker 1: you want to plug anything before we get you off?
Speaker 1: I know you have obviously, like you said, your go
Speaker 1: to girlfriends. Yeah, all my infots on Instagram and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm at your girlfriends so you you can find everything
Speaker 1: there and it's so much fun. I do great fun
Speaker 1: suits with Extra with Mario Lopez, and there's so many
Speaker 1: fun things going on right now. So yeah, just check
Speaker 1: out Instagram. Awesome, go to a girlfriend on Instagram. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll see in paradi Us next year, who knows. I'm
Speaker 1: still holding out for it. It's ever. You know what
Speaker 1: the future brings exactly a good resurgence. You said the
Speaker 1: last time you ron you were twenty four. Now you're
Speaker 1: gonna I was gonna say, everyone's everyone's been posting these
Speaker 1: ten year challenges. It's the ten year challenge that I
Speaker 1: want to see. So um, Sadie, thank you so much
Speaker 1: again for calling in and sharing your story. And it's
Speaker 1: great to hear everything's going so well for you. Um
Speaker 1: and hopefully we talked to you soon. Thanks guys, take
Speaker 1: care of by. Okay, before we jump into and kind
Speaker 1: of dissect that and digest it and spit it back
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Speaker 1: joy Bird's pretty awesome. So my parents got a new
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Speaker 1: I love shopping for furniture, it just sucks having a
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Speaker 1: n so. Next up we have Whitney Bischoff, who you
Speaker 1: guys probably recognize that name from Chris Soul season Um
Speaker 1: Chris Sols another throwback. But we would love to talk
Speaker 1: to her. She froze her eggs, she's fertility nurse, checks
Speaker 1: all the boxes. Um, Whitney, are you there? I am here, Hikay,
Speaker 1: how are you hi? Whitney? Um, so, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for calling in today. You're here with me, Jared
Speaker 1: and Vanessa, and today's topic we're we're discussing, um, freezing
Speaker 1: your eggs because it's something that Vanessa has been opened
Speaker 1: about in the past, and we kind of want to
Speaker 1: gather insight from everyone around us that we possibly can.
Speaker 1: Whitney before we jump into that dough, do you do
Speaker 1: you mind sharing more about yourself just to kind of
Speaker 1: refresh the listeners minds? Yeah? Absolutely, So, UM, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much you want me to tell about myselfever
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, Well, you just recently got married. It's
Speaker 1: a year, right, Yeah, we just cut our year anniversary.
Speaker 1: So recently got married. Um. We got married in Cape Cod.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely beautiful. But some people may remember me
Speaker 1: from season nineteen of The Bachelor. Um, what was seems
Speaker 1: like it was forever ago. A lot has changed since then.
Speaker 1: But I am a facility nurse specializing in ex breathing.
Speaker 1: So Vanessa, I am here at the answer question, so
Speaker 1: bring it on, okay. So um, Well, first of all, Whitney,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember meeting me. We met
Speaker 1: at yes, exactly met at their wedding and I was
Speaker 1: telling Jared this before we started recording today. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing my start crying. Why am I so emotional? I'm
Speaker 1: not even on my period. Remember seeing you with uh
Speaker 1: then I guess it was your fiance. You were getting
Speaker 1: married within a couple of months. I remember seeing how
Speaker 1: happy you were, and at that point in my relationship
Speaker 1: with Nick, um, we weren't doing that great. And so
Speaker 1: I remember looking at you guys and thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well there is hope, yeah, Um, and there is hope
Speaker 1: outside of the bachelor world. If ever, you know understand
Speaker 1: that feeling that you felt completely so more than you
Speaker 1: know so. So I feel like I can relate to
Speaker 1: you on so many different levels, especially like your fertility
Speaker 1: nurse and um, you've helped out I think a few
Speaker 1: people in the pastor world when it came to egg freezing,
Speaker 1: specifically Caitlin, Caitlin and Carly and early as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: can you just explain um the process. Well, before we
Speaker 1: get into the process, at what age should we start
Speaker 1: thinking about this? Because right now I'm watching the Mindy Project.
Speaker 1: Well it's like the third time I watched this. But
Speaker 1: she's a fertility she has a fertility clinic and she
Speaker 1: goes around campuses and she tells like women in their
Speaker 1: twenties to start freezing their eggs. Um, And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty one, that I like missed the mark. You
Speaker 1: really didn't know. I mean, in a perfect world, we
Speaker 1: would love to reach women and their mid twenties, mid
Speaker 1: to late twenties to freeze their eggs, because the younger
Speaker 1: you are when you do this, the better be as
Speaker 1: the quality and the quantity of your egg Who's going
Speaker 1: to be the best to the younger that you are.
Speaker 1: But it's important to remember that any time is better
Speaker 1: than no time, And studies have been done on a
Speaker 1: woman's o very in reserve and what happens as we age,
Speaker 1: and those studies really show us that the best time
Speaker 1: to do this is between the ages of twenty five
Speaker 1: and thirty five. Now for women that are over thirty five. Again,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you're a candidate I think at
Speaker 1: that point, or that you're not a candidate. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: but I think at that point it's really about managing
Speaker 1: expectations about what treatment is going to look like for
Speaker 1: you specifically. Okay, so it's so funny that you say
Speaker 1: mid mid to late twenty because I feel like when
Speaker 1: we're in our twenties, we're trying not to get pregnant,
Speaker 1: but that's a that's when we're at our prime, right,
Speaker 1: our eggs are like it is the most fertile, so
Speaker 1: much of a catch twenty two Because you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: the younger you are when you do this, the better.
Speaker 1: But you're not thinking about that, you know, freezing your
Speaker 1: eggs and your twenties, and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: times if you are thinking about it, you're thinking, I've
Speaker 1: got plenty of time, I don't need to be or
Speaker 1: you aren't as financially stable if you would like to
Speaker 1: be kind of push it off that way. Um, that
Speaker 1: the younger you are when you do it's the best
Speaker 1: chance of success, the better the outcome, and really the
Speaker 1: cheaper it is. So can we just get into anatomy
Speaker 1: because I don't know if um, everyone knows that women
Speaker 1: I don't know. This might be an ignorant common for
Speaker 1: me to say, but I don't know if everyone knows
Speaker 1: that women are born with all of their eggs. Yes,
Speaker 1: so women are born with all of the eggs, um
Speaker 1: that they will ever have in their lifetime. And how
Speaker 1: many is that? So it's it's millions. It's millions um
Speaker 1: on average. I mean, there's some women that you know
Speaker 1: have some sort of genetic predisposition or something to where
Speaker 1: they would have less or they would have premature varying failure,
Speaker 1: but typically it's millions. The comparison as men, So men
Speaker 1: they make s firm every seventy four days. So it's very,
Speaker 1: very different. And you know, the studies that just pump
Speaker 1: each other, so it's so unfair. But the studies that
Speaker 1: have been done on women's reserve, if we think about this,
Speaker 1: this is the best way that I explain it to patients,
Speaker 1: is if we thought of this imaginary line graphs in
Speaker 1: our mind, and the day that you're born, you're on
Speaker 1: the top left with millions of eggs and starting a
Speaker 1: day one of life, lose the eggs every single day.
Speaker 1: So but every not is it every single day or
Speaker 1: is it every time you menstruate every you're losing next
Speaker 1: every day losing eggs? I thought was the time mentorate. Wait, no,
Speaker 1: an egg an egg drops every time I menstrate. Correct,
Speaker 1: And so you have many many immature oh sites with
Speaker 1: your eggs that are just you know, only one maturity
Speaker 1: each month, and you lose that one, but that all
Speaker 1: of the immature ones are just absorbed within the body.
Speaker 1: So the fertility is declining, or that line is declining
Speaker 1: gradually over time. The rate at which that line declines, though,
Speaker 1: is going to vary from person to personally. An aesthetic,
Speaker 1: you know, their helps, you know, many many different things
Speaker 1: can affect to next. But the point, the point is
Speaker 1: that each woman has a finite number of eggs. Well,
Speaker 1: we have millions. We started off with millions, But I
Speaker 1: want to know what's the ratio between the infertile ones
Speaker 1: are the mature ones you were as you were calling them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean every single month, if you know, when
Speaker 1: you're going through your cycle, you mature one and you
Speaker 1: ovulate that egg out. Now, obviously there's exceptions to every
Speaker 1: single rule. This is not black and white science never is.
Speaker 1: Occasionally there's women that mature more than one egg and
Speaker 1: they ovulate that out, and that's where we see twins.
Speaker 1: We see fraternal twins by didentical twins would be once
Speaker 1: an egg is fertilized and once and then it's splits.
Speaker 1: So that's the difference. I wouldn't be able to give
Speaker 1: you an exact number, though. The ratio of mature to immature. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you said earlier that it's actually cheaper for girls
Speaker 1: to do it younger, what did you mean by it?
Speaker 1: Lies it cheaper. It's cheaper because the more fertile that
Speaker 1: you are, so the younger that you are, the less
Speaker 1: medications you're going to need to stimulate the ovaries, and
Speaker 1: the likelihood of you only needing one treatment cycle is greater.
Speaker 1: And that always has people kind of question, like one
Speaker 1: treatment cycle, what does that even mean? Well, the bowl
Speaker 1: number of eggs to freeze is typically around fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty eggs, and that doesn't equal fifteen to twenty babies
Speaker 1: because there's a lot that has to happen between the
Speaker 1: time we retrieve the eggs and the time that you know,
Speaker 1: we would create embryos and transfer them. Um. But there's
Speaker 1: a natural attrition that takes place. So for a woman,
Speaker 1: this is just for sake of example, I say she
Speaker 1: comes in, she freezes her eggs, and we're able to
Speaker 1: get six to seven eggs. Well, that's better than if
Speaker 1: you did nothing. The chance of success from that is
Speaker 1: small because once you come back, if then when to
Speaker 1: use the eggs, we have to solve them. We have
Speaker 1: to fertilize them, they have to grow into embryos. My
Speaker 1: step here is that my point here is that at
Speaker 1: every step of the way it's likely that you may
Speaker 1: lose an egg here there. So if you're starting with six,
Speaker 1: that's not really giving you the best rate of success.
Speaker 1: So fifteen to twenty is really that goal number. The
Speaker 1: younger you are, the more of the likelihood that you're
Speaker 1: going to knock out fifteen and twenty in one cycle,
Speaker 1: because you have more versus the older that you are.
Speaker 1: And they take a couple of treatment rounds to get
Speaker 1: to that goal number since the price is going to
Speaker 1: go up. And what does a treatment look like? Ten
Speaker 1: to fourteen days of giving yourself injections? Um, that always
Speaker 1: seems to scare people, but you know, when they kind
Speaker 1: of go through the process, it's more of the unknown
Speaker 1: that seems to be more scary. Once they go through
Speaker 1: that first night of injections, you know, they realize that
Speaker 1: it isn't as bad as what they really thought. But
Speaker 1: ten to fourteen days of injections. Throughout the ten to
Speaker 1: fourteen days, you would go into the facility on an
Speaker 1: average about six times over two weeks to monitor your response.
Speaker 1: To the medication, so seeing how all your responding. So
Speaker 1: that way, if the physician needs to tie rate thement
Speaker 1: at all, if you need an increase in them, if
Speaker 1: you need to cut back a little bit um, we
Speaker 1: can do that based on your response. And then after
Speaker 1: that two week period you do go in for your
Speaker 1: extraction process that is done under twilight sedation. It is
Speaker 1: an outpatient procedure, but it's something to where it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's similar to if you had your wisdom teeth
Speaker 1: taken out. You have an ivy, but you're breathing and
Speaker 1: everything on your own. It's not like general anesthesia. But
Speaker 1: the process itself is only about ten or fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: and that's one time. So you go you go to
Speaker 1: the doctor's office six times on an average on a bridge.
Speaker 1: There's some people that need to go as many times
Speaker 1: and some people that you need to be seen more
Speaker 1: often than that. The extraction is once once. Now that's
Speaker 1: for one treatment cycle. When I'm talking about women that
Speaker 1: need to or own yes, then that would be multiple times.
Speaker 1: So when you what is your recommendation for someone like Vanessa?
Speaker 1: So you know, and I'm speaking from a nurse and
Speaker 1: also pasent I froze my egg six years ago. I
Speaker 1: was twenty seven. UM my recommendation is to gain as
Speaker 1: much knowledge as possible. I think that you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot that you can find online, and as amazing
Speaker 1: as egg freezing is, I think it's important to be
Speaker 1: sure that you're getting the right information to make sure
Speaker 1: that this is a good decision for you. So or
Speaker 1: I work we UM in Chicago, it's Ova egg Freezing.
Speaker 1: We offer complimentary initial consults to really talk about UM
Speaker 1: everything egg freezing and what it would specifically mean for you.
Speaker 1: And the initial consult, like I said with me, is compliments, complimentary,
Speaker 1: and then we talked about what next steps would be.
Speaker 1: And next steps is really gaining more information about you
Speaker 1: specifically and your fertility through some pre screen testing, ultrasound,
Speaker 1: blood work, et cetera, to kind of get an eye
Speaker 1: idea of what your fertility is right now, and from
Speaker 1: that point, we're able to put together a treatment plan.
Speaker 1: You're able to then sit down with the physician with
Speaker 1: your results so that we can customize UM the plan
Speaker 1: and also manage expectations about what treatments really gonna look like.
Speaker 1: So if someone like me or anyone that's listening wants
Speaker 1: to do UM this type of procedure, What kind of
Speaker 1: budgeting should we start looking into. Yeah, so it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna vary, and I think that you know, most insurance companies,
Speaker 1: unfortunately are not on board with us because they're not
Speaker 1: considering it fertility treatments or considering it an elective procedure,
Speaker 1: which is really unfortunate and something that we're working to change. UM.
Speaker 1: But if you are a self pay patient, I would
Speaker 1: plan that one treatment cycle is going to range somewhere
Speaker 1: between seven to eight thousand dollars, and that does not
Speaker 1: include your medication, so stations would be on top of that,
Speaker 1: and your medications or order for you directly dependent on
Speaker 1: how fertile you are. So again, the more fertile you
Speaker 1: ares UM and that pre screen testing, the less meds
Speaker 1: you're going to need to really stimulate the ovaries and
Speaker 1: then vice versa. So those can range on average from
Speaker 1: like three to seven thousand dollars per cycle. So it's
Speaker 1: it's very pricey, but we do see that some insurance
Speaker 1: companies do offer UM some coverage from the medications dance
Speaker 1: side of things, have some help there UM and in
Speaker 1: our facilities specifically We do offer customized UM financial packages,
Speaker 1: financial plans, payment plans, UM and things like that. So
Speaker 1: definitely ask questions about how you can save money. Might
Speaker 1: be a dumb question, but there's no side effects from
Speaker 1: getting your there definitely, So any time that you're having
Speaker 1: a a medical procedure or be taking medication, there's a
Speaker 1: risk of side effects. The risk UM with egg freezing,
Speaker 1: it's small, but they're definitely there and something that you
Speaker 1: really want to speak with your physition about side effects
Speaker 1: of medications. Typically what I see from patients and what
Speaker 1: I experienced personally, UM temporary weight gain, bloating UM. Occasionally
Speaker 1: patients complain of being a little bit more emotional, but
Speaker 1: they are Again it's important to remember that they are temporary.
Speaker 1: Sodeed and I were talking about our twenty nineteen New
Speaker 1: Year's resolution, and I don't know if I told you
Speaker 1: investing was one of mine. What are you going to
Speaker 1: invest in? Well, um, I need help investing invest in yourself.
Speaker 1: But also I wanna Yeah, so there's UM. This is
Speaker 1: an investing app. So now like I have like an
Speaker 1: app for organizing robin hood. So robin Hood is an
Speaker 1: investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks, ets,
Speaker 1: options and cryptos, all commissioned free and shrive strive to
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Speaker 1: which I mean I can greatly benefit from this one
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Speaker 1: values of the robin Hood app are that there are
Speaker 1: no commission fees like like Vanessa just said, other broker
Speaker 1: just charge up to ten dollars for every single trade,
Speaker 1: but robin Hood doesn't change charge commission fees, trade stocks
Speaker 1: and keep all of your profits at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, which is fantastic. UM. It's also designed to
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Speaker 1: and just four taps on your smartphone. Whether it's an
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Speaker 1: possibly look for. UM and right now robin Hood is
Speaker 1: giving listeners a free stock like Apple, Ford or Sprint
Speaker 1: to help build your portfolio because, as Vanessa said, it's
Speaker 1: it's her your New Year's resolution to be investing as well.
Speaker 1: And I just got intovest investing like last year. Granted
Speaker 1: I'm not doing as much as I should. It's a
Speaker 1: lot helps you understand it. And then there's like the
Speaker 1: it has like the ratings to buy hold sell for
Speaker 1: every stocks. It helps you, It helps guide you. So
Speaker 1: so about six to seven months ago when I got
Speaker 1: into it UM, it was very challenging for me because
Speaker 1: I had read books, so I took business and finance
Speaker 1: classes in college, but I didn't really fully understand it.
Speaker 1: And this was before I knew about the robin Hood app,
Speaker 1: and I just like struggled through it. I was like
Speaker 1: us falling over myself, not really knowing what I was doing,
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Speaker 1: But now what's great about robin hood is you're able
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Speaker 1: d E A N the number one dot robin hood
Speaker 1: dot com. Check it out. What any question for you?
Speaker 1: And this, Jared said, his was a dumb question. This
Speaker 1: might be the dumbest of all question. When you when
Speaker 1: you extract an egg to be frozen, are you pulling
Speaker 1: from like when the body and when the female body
Speaker 1: drops an egg or or discards an egg. Is it
Speaker 1: just pulling an egg at random? Is there an ex
Speaker 1: Is there an egg in the queue? And then when
Speaker 1: you pull one to be frozen, are you pulling that
Speaker 1: egg that's last in the queue. Are you just going
Speaker 1: in there and pulling from some random location? How does
Speaker 1: that work? So? I think I'm understanding what you're asking,
Speaker 1: but let me I might do a bad job. What
Speaker 1: if what if you pulled the egg that's next in
Speaker 1: the queue to be fertilized, if you were to inseminate naturally. Okay,
Speaker 1: So basically every single month, you're recruiting many many O
Speaker 1: sites or immature eggs like I talked about, and you
Speaker 1: mature or odulate out one and all of those other
Speaker 1: ones that were in this queue so to speak, are
Speaker 1: then lost and them storbed within the body. So we're
Speaker 1: not taking any eggs that you would need in the
Speaker 1: future if you were to conceive naturally. So we're essentially
Speaker 1: saving the eggs that you would have lost that month. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that makes sense that that's perfectly Can you repeat that
Speaker 1: last part? You're saving the eggs that we would have
Speaker 1: otherwise have lost lost anyways that specific month, the immature eggs.
Speaker 1: The immature were maturing them with medications, gowing, tracting them.
Speaker 1: If you hadn't done treatment, you would have just walked
Speaker 1: those eggs. It's not like shore them up for future youth.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's a pretty big selling point
Speaker 1: on that. I think, yeah, that's probably agree But how
Speaker 1: do you know if one is mature or not? That
Speaker 1: I missed that part. So you know that by looking
Speaker 1: underneath the microscope, and that's what the embryologists do. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what they're trained to do, and through vitrification, which
Speaker 1: is the science of egg freezing that we're doing. It's
Speaker 1: really important. I do want to say this, especially for
Speaker 1: all of the listeners out there, but not only that
Speaker 1: you're vetting the facility and the physician that you're working with.
Speaker 1: The lab is such a key part in this because
Speaker 1: the lab and the embryologists are the ones that are
Speaker 1: actually freezing your eggs, and egg freezing is a very
Speaker 1: fine tune technology. This isn't like freezing an embryo with
Speaker 1: I VS. Embryos are much more stable than eggs because
Speaker 1: they're all of the chromosomes that you need to make
Speaker 1: a baby, whereas eggs are only half of them and
Speaker 1: they're very very fragile. So again, it's a practice that
Speaker 1: takes place to really gain success with this. So you
Speaker 1: don't want to just google something and go and do it.
Speaker 1: You really want to do your research and ask the
Speaker 1: right questions. So you said it costs between seven to
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars without medication per treatment. Now that doesn't
Speaker 1: include um like the reservoir, right, yeah, so the storing
Speaker 1: um in our facility, we include one year of storing
Speaker 1: in the first treatments. The package for that seven to
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars, it's gonna vary from year to year.
Speaker 1: On average, is about five to six hundred dollars a
Speaker 1: year to store the egg. Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it would be more manageable than then when you're talking
Speaker 1: about treatment. So it's how much like a like a
Speaker 1: storage and it would cost, like out in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: fifty fifty bucks a month roughly. Yeah, you're comparing my eggs.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing your eggs to the f nature that I
Speaker 1: would put in storage. Joy Joy worker. Um, let's let's
Speaker 1: live it real quick, because for a while, as a
Speaker 1: younger man my late teens, early twenties, I had always
Speaker 1: thought about freezing my sperm. Yeah, do you guys work
Speaker 1: on that at all? So OVA, specifically, we do not.
Speaker 1: We're actually in um only doing eggs at this point.
Speaker 1: But with men it's again, it's a completely different ball
Speaker 1: game and it's totally unfair. You do see and studies
Speaker 1: that as in an age, there is a little bit
Speaker 1: of the quality that it is affected in terms of
Speaker 1: their sperm, but not nearly as drastic as women. So
Speaker 1: men make firm every semi four days. They will continue
Speaker 1: to do so until basically they did they die. UM. Now,
Speaker 1: when I think it's really important to think about breathing
Speaker 1: your sperm is if there is some sort of um
Speaker 1: medical conditions, specifically cancer, any sort of cancer treatments that
Speaker 1: would affect the sperm cells and could make scrolls. So
Speaker 1: at that point, yes, definitely you want to sperm as
Speaker 1: much um as much as possible for you before you
Speaker 1: would undergo treatment. So don't have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Did you want to freeze your sperm in order to
Speaker 1: get like did you want to get snipped? I mean
Speaker 1: the thought that I had as a younger man was
Speaker 1: to get my sperm pros and then get a a sectomy. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, I granted, I don't have that opinion anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the worst idea because you could reverse
Speaker 1: the vice of aasectomy, right, but it's not always um guaranteed,
Speaker 1: right right? I mean, yeah, that was the thought because
Speaker 1: have you ever heard that saying it makes more sense
Speaker 1: to take the bullets out of a gun than it
Speaker 1: does to shoot out a bullet. Yes, And so that's
Speaker 1: just where I was at, was like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: would rather have some say over this, this very important
Speaker 1: thing in my life. And you were looking forward to
Speaker 1: having a gun that didn't shoot any bullets, but then right,
Speaker 1: and then I could just like save the golden bullets
Speaker 1: for later on. Yeah, but you would need to still
Speaker 1: put a put that gun in a holster, if you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: because then i'd be nervous about being more you know,
Speaker 1: loose minded about it, be like, oh well now I'm
Speaker 1: fine forgetting about don'tses gun diseases. Whitney. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for calling us today, Whitney, I'll definitely be reaching
Speaker 1: out to you. I have other questions for you up.
Speaker 1: Is there any um like where can we find you?
Speaker 1: Or where can we find the OVA Clinic? Yes? So,
Speaker 1: OVA is our website is OVA at freezing dot com.
Speaker 1: And for any inquiries or to schedule that complimentary consultation,
Speaker 1: you can just shoot us an email at info at
Speaker 1: OVA at freezing dot com. That's amazing. And where can
Speaker 1: we find you on Instagram? I am gosh, I need
Speaker 1: to be better about Instagram. I am so bad about
Speaker 1: both being and things. But I am at w B
Speaker 1: six to four perfect. Well, Whitney, thank you so much
Speaker 1: coming on and please tell Ricky I said what's up?
Speaker 1: Because here there it I will and congratulations on your
Speaker 1: one year on a wedding anniversary based and I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: you know what. You know, that was so informative. That
Speaker 1: was great. You know, it's funny thinking about so the
Speaker 1: first time I met Whitney was that Carly and Evans wedding. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was the first time. I think it was the
Speaker 1: first time a minute. Yeah, and then you know, it's
Speaker 1: really funny when you think about back upon that time.
Speaker 1: So that was almost two years ago. You were with Nick,
Speaker 1: I wasn't with Ashley. Your season of paradise was at
Speaker 1: the moment indefinitely suspended. Those are better simpler times, Isn't
Speaker 1: it crazy to think about, Like, wow, that was It
Speaker 1: feels like a ten years ago. It wasn't that simple
Speaker 1: for me, it was. It's much simpler for me. Um anyway, Yeah, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: do you what are you coming away from all of
Speaker 1: that with it sounds like we have a ton of information. Um,
Speaker 1: so I guess the only like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: this is just a dumb statement. The only real downside
Speaker 1: of freezing eggs would be the money. Yeah, that's costly,
Speaker 1: So that's I guess that's what she was um saying.
Speaker 1: If you're younger, like, if you're she was saying to
Speaker 1: late twenties, then one treatment. Yeah, well late to mid
Speaker 1: twenties is when your most fertile, So then one treatment
Speaker 1: would probably enough to get those eggs now at my age, now,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what my what it looks like. Um,
Speaker 1: but it might be a little bit more costly as
Speaker 1: you age because you might need to do more treatments
Speaker 1: in order to get those eggs, to extract those eggs.
Speaker 1: I count my lucky stars every day that I am
Speaker 1: a guy, because women you just have to think so
Speaker 1: much more. But I think that's and if you relate
Speaker 1: to And I love that you brought that point up
Speaker 1: because people say I'm such a thinker. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a thinker because you have to be. I kind
Speaker 1: of have to yea like as a guy, it's I
Speaker 1: don't have to think like you have to. You know,
Speaker 1: we can conceive one time at one you know, we
Speaker 1: can conceive every How can I explain this? Like I
Speaker 1: can have a baby with one man at a time.
Speaker 1: You can go and like as many women and for example,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in pregnant the same time. Yeah, well at
Speaker 1: the same time, I think she's pregnant A little afterwards.
Speaker 1: It what happened was Bridget was pregnant while he first
Speaker 1: started dating Giselle. That was the issue. If if Genghisan
Speaker 1: was a woman, I mean, oh my god, the Mongolians
Speaker 1: never would have ruled us. But even it's funny, you're
Speaker 1: still so young. You're thirty one years old, but then
Speaker 1: in these terms, you're thinking, Wow, I'm old because I
Speaker 1: only have a few more years where I really have
Speaker 1: to make a decision on what I'm gonna do with
Speaker 1: my family, so to speak, even though it's not impossible
Speaker 1: after your thirty five. But I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of women talk about being thirty five as like the
Speaker 1: beginning of the end of like I need to really
Speaker 1: start having to kid trying having kids now. I think
Speaker 1: it was a big reality check when Mark and I
Speaker 1: were having this discussion. Um, and I never thought I
Speaker 1: would because I come from a traditional Italian family where
Speaker 1: everyone is married before the age of thirty and they
Speaker 1: already have their kids, and they already have like their
Speaker 1: family and their house and all that. And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I went on the Bachelor to find love, That's what
Speaker 1: That was my story. Dean, what's going on your checking
Speaker 1: your overaries? Well that's a great story. One And Dean
Speaker 1: just has his shirt up and he's just checking his stomach.
Speaker 1: Picture everything's in place like a rash this pastgain. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: are you're not using soap? Again, I think you know
Speaker 1: what you need to go. You need to go to
Speaker 1: Thrive Market. Yeah, what do they have a market for?
Speaker 1: Market everything? They have everything. They have soap, they got groceries,
Speaker 1: they got baby wipes and baby diapers. Whenever you're like
Speaker 1: done freezing your sperm and ready to have pits. And
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Speaker 1: And I think, Dan, I know it's about to say.
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Speaker 1: that I did that sometime. Oh God, between the couch
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Speaker 1: You're getting the best products possible. UM, check it out,
Speaker 1: because you will be addicted, addicted as soon as you
Speaker 1: go on. No, I yeah, I've spent hours on thrive Market,
Speaker 1: and I'm not joking. I thought at first when I
Speaker 1: went on, I thought it was just groceries, but you
Speaker 1: legit can get in everything. Shampoo's like, uh, I mean
Speaker 1: I've gotten face washed from their shampoo's, I've gotten condiments,
Speaker 1: I've gotten snacks something else. I mean they might sell us,
Speaker 1: you know, you never know. I'm sure they check it out. Guys.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up the episode, let's answer one email. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to apologize to Tom Brady. He did not
Speaker 1: have two women pregnant at the same time. I told
Speaker 1: you this podcast he's going to be. However, Arn Schwarzenegger
Speaker 1: did that, the little Wheezy Little Wayne did that? You
Speaker 1: Grant did that pregnant at the same time? Fattie Wop
Speaker 1: and did he? All celebrities who have gotten multiple women
Speaker 1: pregnant simultaneously. I mean, that's not like a good job.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to that. Shame. Well,
Speaker 1: she's right, it can be done. Which would you like, Vanessa?
Speaker 1: Which one do you want me to read? Um? I
Speaker 1: love antonomous, We love the anonymous. Yeah, you're right, I
Speaker 1: got multiple anonymous You want? Are you wanted? The two brothers?
Speaker 1: One girl requested? All right. A few years ago, I
Speaker 1: met a pair of very nice brothers and I had
Speaker 1: a crush on one of them, but the other one
Speaker 1: was more friendly with me. Isn't that always the way
Speaker 1: he was? He has expressed interest in me and has
Speaker 1: mentioned that he has noticed I liked his brother when
Speaker 1: we first met. Well, at this point, I'm not really
Speaker 1: interesting the friendly one, but I'm still entertaining the idea
Speaker 1: of the other one. So what in the world am
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? If I get any closer to
Speaker 1: the friendly brother, I'll be forever off limits of the
Speaker 1: other brother. But at this point, the other brother and
Speaker 1: I have zero direct contact. So I'm wondering if y'all
Speaker 1: think there's any way I can pull this off. Help.
Speaker 1: I suck at dating, but I'm also a modern woman.
Speaker 1: Go girl and in with the friendly one and try
Speaker 1: to make the transfer to the non existence done before
Speaker 1: I've been okay. Well, my only reservation with this is
Speaker 1: if she ends up marrying him, that's going to be
Speaker 1: like a weird energy. They'll get over it, They'll move
Speaker 1: on the old switcheroo. I've seen George can Stanza do
Speaker 1: this many of times on Seinfeld. I would just go
Speaker 1: for the one you like. Don't even try to go
Speaker 1: through one brother to get to the other. Just go
Speaker 1: after the one you like, because then it's gonna get
Speaker 1: messy if you start becoming friendly with one and then
Speaker 1: study switch rude to the especially the fact that she
Speaker 1: said she has no communication with the first brother, so
Speaker 1: that one's already out of your life. Done, Sein sealed delivered.
Speaker 1: He's no longer yours. Move on to the next brother
Speaker 1: that you're interested in, and there might be potential future
Speaker 1: with and not to don't even worry about the other guy.
Speaker 1: So reach out to the one you like without letting
Speaker 1: the friendly one know, just go behind his back? Which
Speaker 1: which brother? Which brother? Shall we listen to? The one
Speaker 1: she's really too will name him Dean I don't like,
Speaker 1: and they're really a friendly one. I don't like where
Speaker 1: this and you're talking about Mark? Yeah? But which brother?
Speaker 1: Do we know? She's having contact with her, the friendly one?
Speaker 1: The friendly one? But what has she mentioned? It's like
Speaker 1: text messages and all that. I would be a little
Speaker 1: bit weary of that. So she's in contact with Easton,
Speaker 1: but she really wants to get with Dean. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. My advice is to just sideswipe Eastern
Speaker 1: and go straight for Dean. I agree, Go for Dean,
Speaker 1: go just reach out, just find him. Why not of
Speaker 1: a time, because it would I would tell Dean, Hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, I know your brother, because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to start a relationship. He already know that she
Speaker 1: knows Easton. You know that she knows Easton. Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course she dated Easton for a while. I would, I would,
Speaker 1: I would do with van Sa says, I would tell
Speaker 1: the other brother, Hey, I know your brother, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to. She never dated Easton.
Speaker 1: Eastern has been very friendly to her. Yes, But the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't think. I think if Dean's not
Speaker 1: going to carry the way, so like, you might as
Speaker 1: well just be honest so you can be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I was up front with you because it Okay, let's
Speaker 1: call this girl Vanessa because she's anonymous. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: I'm just putting my lip on here. Dean's not gonna
Speaker 1: care if Vanessa talked to Easton that that will not
Speaker 1: stop him from dating Vanessa. No, that wouldn't bother Dean
Speaker 1: and might bother Easton. And Vanessa goes straight to deal
Speaker 1: without telling Easton. That's what I'm saying, which is what
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, no, no, you're how God,
Speaker 1: I'm losing my mind here. No, but I think that
Speaker 1: Easton will at least appreciate Vanessa being honest to Dean
Speaker 1: his brother about knowing each other instead, because I think
Speaker 1: would be a worse look for Vanessa. If Easton goes
Speaker 1: to Dean and say, hey, I heard you're talking to Vanessa.
Speaker 1: I used to talk and Dean's like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. But if Vanessa tells Dean I used to
Speaker 1: talk to Easton, and think about how mu fun it
Speaker 1: would be, the sneak around behind Easton's back. It is
Speaker 1: very fun. I'm not going to deny this. So Vanessa,
Speaker 1: if you're sure, sneak around, have some fun. But if
Speaker 1: you're like thirty and you want to serious relationship, tell
Speaker 1: Dean that you used to talk to Easton. So could
Speaker 1: she go to Easton and say, look, and I'm the ages,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that. Eastern. You're great, You're
Speaker 1: really nice. I'm not interested in anything romantic, but your
Speaker 1: brother is really interesting to me. Do you think you
Speaker 1: could set us up? Is there any way she could
Speaker 1: pull that off? I guess right. She might lose Eastern
Speaker 1: as a friend, but who cares. She's also gonna lose
Speaker 1: a potential Partner's not going to set up his brother
Speaker 1: with a girl that he likes. He's going to poise
Speaker 1: in the water. I would either go directly to the
Speaker 1: source and then say, hey, I've also I know your brother,
Speaker 1: but I would be honest I know your brother and
Speaker 1: like we kind of had a thing, or I just
Speaker 1: know your brother and we were friends. No, I would
Speaker 1: be completely honest, just say you know her brother. Don't
Speaker 1: even say a thing. If a girl was talking to
Speaker 1: me and I was like, hey, you're nice, but I
Speaker 1: really like Ross. Who is my brother, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh great, let me changing names. People are going to
Speaker 1: get confused. It's his actual actual Okay. If someone, if
Speaker 1: a girl I was talking to actually told me like, hey,
Speaker 1: I like Ross more than I like A more interested
Speaker 1: in Ross than you. If you were into her, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would hurt no way. And if I came up
Speaker 1: to you and I like Ross, yeah, you're right, I
Speaker 1: never would have left. I was in a reverse version
Speaker 1: of this when I was in high school. I did
Speaker 1: a young I told the story before, but she I
Speaker 1: did a young l who was a twin, and we
Speaker 1: broke up. I stayed friends with the other twin, which
Speaker 1: probably wasn't appropriate. She grew close to me. We were
Speaker 1: we were intimate one time. Easton such a bad boy.
Speaker 1: I know, uh, because I found her attractive and she
Speaker 1: told me. She told me she wanted to date me,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't. I couldn't stop thinking about how I
Speaker 1: like that would destroy your relationship with your sister twin sister,
Speaker 1: I just I did. There's always repercussions. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to deal. I don't want this to happen.
Speaker 1: That twins did it on on Ben season. You know
Speaker 1: what you sign it up for. But still I think
Speaker 1: speaking in and even on the show though, they showed
Speaker 1: them getting jealous of each other, and like I remember,
Speaker 1: I think it was Emily at one point was saying,
Speaker 1: how like Ben needs to make a decision. It's either
Speaker 1: Haley or me. Dean, Yeah, what about one of the twins?
Speaker 1: When is sin still single and they're stunning for me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For me? Well, Haley, excuse me, Emily is dating um
Speaker 1: Larks No, Jelly Clarkson, No close, No, it's William Player,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and anyway he plays, No, it's it's
Speaker 1: I think Haley is signaled though. Yeah, great, Haley is wonderful.
Speaker 1: I ever met her. It was fantastic. Actually for a
Speaker 1: brief second. Don't try to set me up. Yeah they
Speaker 1: got the plates. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying there's anything wrong with either of them. I think
Speaker 1: they're both gorgeous. Just trying to help you out here.
Speaker 1: Has anyone else ever did at a twin? No? Uh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how'd that go? I didn't really know that his brother
Speaker 1: that well, just introduced to him after we started dating.
Speaker 1: Switch ruse on you or anything like that. No, there
Speaker 1: was like one distinct feature about this guy that uh,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I feel bad that on damn anyways,
Speaker 1: that I'll do it. For this week's egg freezing episode
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Speaker 1: episode and hopefully Dean BIGU to Sadie and Whitney of course, Yeah, Whitney,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna be reaching out to her. She's got
Speaker 1: some more um and a big shadow to Sadie. I
Speaker 1: love how I mean. Jared's engaged, Vanessa is hopeful with
Speaker 1: her dating, and now I'm more single now than I've
Speaker 1: ever been in my entire life. What is going I've
Speaker 1: been hosting this podcast the longest and I'm the only
Speaker 1: single one on the podcast. Now, well, have I learned nothing?
Speaker 1: I did a podcast this morning and I think so,
Speaker 1: I don't think you've learned anything, And like, have you
Speaker 1: guys ever met Dean and they're like no, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, listen, I big you up all the time.
Speaker 1: Things I need, you need to pick yourself up. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like to put myself down so other people can
Speaker 1: build me up. We should talk about that on the
Speaker 1: podcast at some point, because I think that's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: We tapped into it a little bit last week. And
Speaker 1: I've also had I've dated some pretty some people that
Speaker 1: are pretty mean to me. So you know, I'm moving forward.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start focusing on We're going to screen
Speaker 1: them for you before you start dating them. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for listening to this episode of Help I
Speaker 1: Suck at Dating, Jared and Vanessa don't suck anymore, but
Speaker 1: hopefully next week I suck a little bit less. Follow
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