WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Who You Keeping? 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.560 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:15.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys let go. Are 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.760 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.880 a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.760 much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:33.440 Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, Brian brought Us and 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:39.320 bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, March eighth, 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.360 twenty twenty three, Season eighteen, Episode number one nineteen. Welcome 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.720 to the latest edition of The Break. We are live 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.880 from this of WUBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. Presenter 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.440 by Milla Lake, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.000 Glad to have my crew in all of us today, 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.400 and we'll spend the next forty five minutes talking to 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.440 you guys about free agency. There's a lot coming up 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:00.880 here that the cow Boys are gonna have to make 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.720 decisions on. Free agency will begin on March fifteenth. Although 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.760 the period of I'm not gonna call it legal tampering, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.480 it's just kind of that period where you can start 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.000 flirting a little bit with the players that you might 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.839 be interested in from a free agency standpoint. That begins 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.160 on the thirteenth. It'll run through the fifteenth, and then 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:23.040 at three pm Central Time, Free Agency will kick off 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.360 today's show. We're going to go through the list of 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.080 free agents and talk a little bit about the guys 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.920 that we think the Cowboys need to make priorities, the 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.120 guys that can just be a nice to have, and 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.240 the guys that maybe you think is just no longer 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.480 a fit. Before we do that, though, I want to 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.160 talk about Tony Pollard. We talked about him at length 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.000 last week and what the Cowboys should do. Since then, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.480 we've found out they have done something. They put the 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.680 tag on Tony Pollard. I don't think it's a surprise, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.160 but I wanted to go around the table and just 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.440 get your thoughts on the decision to place the tag 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.160 on Tony Pollard. Brian, you weren't where you want on 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.440 the show last week. I was in Arizona. Watch it 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.160 on the show. Yeah, Yeah, let's give you. Let's go 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.000 first with you, because I know Nick and Amber talked 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.600 a little bit about it lesson. Yeah, you know what, 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.040 I feel like they did what they had to do 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.200 and what they felt like was right for their for 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.280 their offensive attack going forward. You know, we talked about weapons. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.760 Nick has brought it up numerous times on the show 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.640 about the situation with Pollard. Once he went down in 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.240 the San Francisco game, their offense wasn't the same. And 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.040 so now even with a new you know, primary play caller, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.760 the head coach being that guy, you know, you got 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.720 to you know, uh, you got that situation where he's 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.160 like thinking, Okay, how am I going to incorporate, how 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.079 am I going to move the ball? What do I need? 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.600 You know, likely losing Dalton Scholtz likely, you know, with 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.000 some of the things you some of the unknowns with 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.240 you know, with Gallup coming back and all that, one 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.000 of the sure things you do know about is what 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.520 Tony Poller can do. Yes, he's coming off the injury. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.280 But I think it was the right thing for them 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.800 to do. I know, I have my own other thoughts about, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.639 you know, maybe with the injury, maybe let that one 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.799 ride and see if in fact somebody would come in 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.760 and and you know, take a chance on him, give 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.480 him a contract. But for them, they did what they 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.600 felt like was right. I just I know myself evaluating 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.280 the free agent market or the running backs and then 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.880 also what's going in the college trap. If you were 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.400 to lose Tony Pollard, there are suitable replacements you know, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.200 maybe you know, maybe comparable to what you have with Tony. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.680 You know, maybe not, depending on which direction you go. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.200 But for them, they felt like they had to keep 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.840 that weapon in the building, and you know, you have 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.000 to give them credit for you know, trying to do 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.200 that and be able to you know, to continue to 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.440 try and help dak Age. I think it was the 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.120 right decision, and we've talked about it before. It doesn't 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.200 prevent them from still trying to come up with the 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:46.080 contract and keep the negotiation negotiations going with him and 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.960 working that out. Um, yeah, we've talked about the injury before. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.320 That is a concern of mine. And another thing is 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.680 it always makes me a little bit uneasy because I 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:02.200 feel like anytime you either extend the contract given you 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:07.080 contract or even place attack anything that involves a new 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:12.120 amount of money involving a player, there's always that are 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.240 they gonna meet the expectations now? And I know this 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.120 is not the franchise tag does not mean a long 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.360 term contract or anything. This is just for a year. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.400 But even so, with that injury alone, it does give 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.359 me that kind of worrisome. It's like, is it gonna 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.400 be worth the money? Is it gonna be worth taking 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.880 that risk of having him here and trying to rely 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.520 on him, also not knowing what's gonna end up happening 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.000 with Ezekiel, elliott I said this from the beginning. It's 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.480 hard to imagine a scenario where they do keep both 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:49.960 guys on the team. So it's just I'm glad it happened, 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.440 and I agree with their decision to place the tag 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.720 on him, but at the same time, there are concerns 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.240 and worries around that decision and how he's gonna be 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.920 this year. Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:07.240 you give the franchise tag to anybody unless you have 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.800 some concerns. I mean, I think I think you have. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.440 I think that's why you give them the tag. I 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.880 mean because you have concerns, Because if you didn't have concerns, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.480 you would just sign them to a long term deal 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.400 and meet whatever they're asking for. So either you need 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.520 to see them one more year or you got it, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.280 or you don't know if you can sign them to 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.120 a long term thing. I mean, I think the Cowboys 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.160 had concerns with Dalton Schultz last year to give him 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.640 the money that you know, David and a Joku got, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.360 you know, and I don't know if it's worth it, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.000 you know, And I don't think they thought it's worth it, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.320 and they still don't think that, you know, for that market. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.640 But if you look at all the franchise tags, it's 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.599 the cheapest franchise tag of a position player running back. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.400 It's the most second most important position maybe, but yet 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.280 it's the cheapest one. So there's reason, and you can 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.200 take that argument anyway you want. I just think it 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.760 makes sense this year to do that, and then, as 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.720 Brian says, you still draft someone. But the key about 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.960 drafting and running back is if you go back and 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.960 look at history, and there's examples for everything. First round 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.320 running backs I think do well early because that's why 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.200 you draft them, because they're ready to play right now. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.000 But I think second, third, fourth, fifth round running backs 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.479 some of them come come in and do well, but 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.920 I think that they needed little development as well. I mean, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.320 Tony Pollard wasn't ready to kind of take over like 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.240 he is now. So I think I think it works 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.720 out in this case. You still draft some one, second, third, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.600 fourth round and then you know, they'll be ready to 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:25.880 go because you don't know what's going to happen with 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.599 Pollard after this, probably won't come back after this. This 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.680 is what I would think would be the last year. Yeah, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.719 this is me. I totally agree with what Nick and 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.839 Ambar are saying about this. But the thing is that 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.520 with Pollard I kind of look at this like Dalton Schultz, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.000 like you're keeping a guy around. They you know, they 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.320 just couldn't get rid of all their weapons when they 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.279 got rid of a Maori Cooper, and we didn't know 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.159 what with Pollard that he was going to emerge like 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.760 he was. There was questions about Gallup. You know, if 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.880 you all of a sudden you let Dalton Schultz walk 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.159 last year and stuff, or just you know, you move 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.760 on from that, well, then you know, it's one of 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.960 those situations where you're kind of in a you know, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.680 you're like, where's the weapons, who's da going to throw 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.039 the ball to, Who's how they're going to move the ball, 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.440 how they're going to score and all that. So yeah, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.080 I just think that Pollard it's one of those things 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.480 that you know, I don't think they want to I 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:17.280 think they've learned something from the Elliott situation. I do 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.640 the league. The league doesn't value running backs like it should. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.480 But there's gonna be a point in time where you 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.160 know you're gonna have if when you don't have one 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.400 of these guys, it's going to show up in a game. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.400 You know. Look what Tampa Bay look at their situation 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.400 with Leonard Fournette. It's just he had a similt thing 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.880 about Buffalo. Yeah, it just got to the point where 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.960 when you can't run the ball, you know your your 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.840 offense gets put in peril. And the one thing we 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.480 learned about Pollard is he's capable of taking the snaps 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.240 and being able to function. But I do love this 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.480 these running backs, And again I encourage you to stay 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.920 afterwards and listen to the Draft show because there's a 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.720 lot of them you could talk about, and a lot 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.679 of them that does a lot of the similar things 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.480 that they asked Tony Pollard to do. So let's toss 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:07.240 that up just as a general question of what comes next, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.960 because there are lots of offshoots of this move. You know, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.640 do they do a long term deal with him, Um, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.920 what's Zeke's future and how does that play into the 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.760 decision to tag Tony Pollard right now. I saw a 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.360 graphic that I think the Cowboys or eight million dollars 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.600 twenty eight million dollars right now dedicated to the running 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.480 back position. I don't think any of us believes are 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.600 going to go into next fiscal year with that being 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.280 the case. But it now put some question marks on 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.000 Zeke's future, talking about what is the effect on the 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.920 draft and should they draft somebody and how high are 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.880 they willing to draft somebody knowing that they have Tony 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:43.160 Pollard on the tag? And the final thought, what's the 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.520 usage of Tony Pollard next year? If let's assume for 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.040 a second that this does affect what they decide to 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.000 do with with Zeke, and maybe Zeke isn't here. Is 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.560 Pollard a primary bat? Can he take the load of 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.360 a primary back? He can he do the things that 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.680 Zeke was asked to do for a long time his career. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.960 When you're paying him ten million dollars for a year, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.600 maybe he needs to all those things. I'm just gonna 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.000 toss it up and you guys take it in the 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.839 direction you'd like to take it. Wow Zeke, I mean, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.120 that's the big question, and they got to figure that 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.960 out was Zeke, And I think that me personally, I 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.640 just don't see a scenario that he's here. I don't, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.840 but I don't know him, what he's trying to do, 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.040 and how much he wants to be here and for 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.199 what price. But I just I can't see that scenario. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.600 This is a really tricky situation because I don't think 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.560 Tony Pollard is a starting running back. I don't. I 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.360 think he works out the way they have got this 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.080 thing working. I think it works good for him. So 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.800 I would draft another running back, and I think that 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.240 running back would probably be the starter. I think where 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.160 Pollard fits. But you want to say ten million dollars? 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:51.839 Could you do that? Yeah? You can look how many 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.959 Look at what backup quarterbacks make. They make a lot 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.439 of money, so you can have it as in this 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.840 role like this. But I think I just don't think 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.200 Zeke can be here on this team the way the 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.680 way it's set up. I could be wrong, but that's 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.280 gonna because he's taking a lot less money than I 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.640 think he's ready to do. Explain it to me for 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.760 just a second. When you say you don't think he's 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.400 a starter, are you saying are you talking more about 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.080 the number of reps that he can take, or do 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.520 you or is there a delineation between a starter and 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.040 a backup that you're kind of making No. I think 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.800 he's I mean, I think he's one of the top 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.000 ten fifteen running backs in the league. I think he's 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.160 a he's a he's a top talent. He's definitely that. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.720 But I like, I mean, I believe in what Skip 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.600 Pete was trying to do last year. I think that 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.280 there's a Zeke comes in and he kind of hammers 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.560 them down, and then Pollard comes in. I don't think 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.640 it works the other way. I don't think that way. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.520 I don't saying you don't think it starts with the 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.800 speed guy or the lusive guy. You think Pollard's role 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:46.920 is perfect go and I just there needs to be 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.280 another guy that handles what Zeke did. That's what I think. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.720 I think there's some football fibbing going on here, not 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.320 with you, but with what the Cowboys are doing right now. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.079 I think they're talking about the football fibbing. Is Mike 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.240 McCarthy's like, we got to run the ball more. I 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.959 think that's football fibbing. And I say that in a way, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.040 Mike McCarthy doesn't have a history of running the football more. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.920 He just doesn't go back and watch, you know, he's 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.720 I think he's trying to. I think he's trying to 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.920 say that, you know, I'd like to run the ball, 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.720 but he really isn't. He's going to throw the ball. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.600 So now to me, that that that is that I'm 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.679 okay with that. I feel like, though, you need to 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.840 run the ball better, not more, run the ball better. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.400 And so that's kind of where I think football fibbing's 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.480 going on here. And you know, with Pollard, I think 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.800 he can run the ball better. I think the more 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.440 opportunities he does get, they'll run the ball better. I 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.480 think having Terrence steal Back at right tackle will will 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.560 run the ball better. You know. I think if you 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.320 add a tight end, a blocking tight end, with the 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.720 tight ends you have, I think you'll run the ball better. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.000 You know. That's that's kind of where I look at 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.800 with with what I see with Pollard. I think he's 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.040 here to run the ball better. You know, the more 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.320 carries it, just the way he plays, you're going to 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.120 get more yards with him running the football. And so 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.880 I think that's a that's a football fib you just 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.079 need to not run it more. You just need to 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.680 run it better, is what I see. Right. They asked 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.080 this question because I've heard a couple of different people 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.760 with that particular argument, and I think it's coming off 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.200 of what Mike McCarthy said at the combine. I actually 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.439 took it differently when he said that. I didn't take 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.720 it as he was saying the Cowboys need to just 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.640 generally run the ball more. I thought he was talking 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.320 more about specific situations and I thought back the Green 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.840 Bay game. Yeah, I thought back specific games where his 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.560 relationship where the Cowboys. I think he might have looked 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.280 at it and said, hey, I think there were situations 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.640 this year right where we should have been running the 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.080 ball more than we were, not necessarily just overall, we 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.880 need to run more because by the way, they ran 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.960 the ball plenty, like they're one of the one of 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.240 the run heavier teams in the NFL. So I didn't 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.360 take it that way. Is that are you saying? You 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.360 took it kind of as he's saying, just holistically, we 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.160 got to run the ball more than I think. I 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.679 think to me that he was the divide I think 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.200 between him and Kellen Moore caming that day you guys 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.719 were at lambeau Field and they lost that game. That's 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.280 where I felt like right then and there, if you 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.920 want to pinpoint a spot where maybe McCarthy and Kellen 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.920 Moore had their divide, it was that game right there, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.720 because Mike McCarthy put his heart and soul into wanting 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.800 to win that football game and it didn't happen. And 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.880 and we the next day we came on here and 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.520 talked about, well, they could have done this. It could 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:19.760 have ran it here. They could have you know, they 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.320 could protected the lead. Dada da da da. I think 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.079 that's where we saw the end of Kellen Moore and 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.959 Mike McCarthy's relationship, right And that could fit with Mike. 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.000 And that's the xampoint. If you want to try to 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.160 run up the scoreboard, when that's your point, be running 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.600 the ball, that's your point. I I, like I said, 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.080 I think that's a I think that's a fib. I 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.720 think he wants to run the ball better, is what 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.520 I how I take it. And I also the whole 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.240 thing with like Nick talking about I think it's a 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.319 fib about Zeke being here. I think that's a fib. 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.440 I think that's a football fib I don't think there's 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.800 any way that he that he can be here, you know, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.040 I think that they move on. They talk about, well, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.320 they'd like to have it, but I see this. I'd 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.560 see this ending like it did for DeMarcus Ware and 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.520 for ter Arrol Owens and for uh, you know, for 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.600 you know, pretty much everybody. Yeah, there's an express being 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.080 a player in the NFL. They talk about wanting to 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.760 keep guys and stuff like that, but they're going I 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:12.440 agree with Nick, I believe they're going to move on 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.679 from Zeke. I really really do. I think these are 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.840 these are things that you kind of look at and 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.640 you say, well, they're they're telling us this, but in actuality, 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.920 this I think is what's going to happen. Yeah. I 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.640 love I absolutely love Zeke, and I would personally like 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.640 for him to stay here. But again, I just like 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:33.960 all of you guys, I don't see a scenario where 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:38.040 he just works out financially for the Cowboys. UM. I 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.480 do know that regardless of how much you want to 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:46.440 throw the ball or not, you do need to establish 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.040 the run. You need to create that balance. And we've 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.760 we've seen it before when Dakney's that kind of help 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.160 as well. And going back to Tony Paul or whether 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.160 he can be the starter or not. I agree with 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.480 Nick on this one, like I personally only do not 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.280 see him just taking on the full load. And we 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.520 saw it just how well it worked, kind of bouncing 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.120 it out between the two types of running back just 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.760 because of what each brings to the table and that 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:20.160 the other cannot doesn't necessarily do it as good. We 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.520 saw how many times like you needed Zeke to be 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.600 able to just go out there and block and block, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:31.280 just those like nasty little runs, one yard runs things 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.440 like that that Tony Polar just physically doesn't have that 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.640 type of ability and and just like that, they can't 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.400 run and escape the way that Polar can right now. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.320 So it's just a tough balance. But I do think 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.040 that they go into the draft. It does make me 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.920 wonder though, if they head into the draft just having 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.440 Tony Polar and Malick Davis, or if they just kind 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.200 of sign somebody else to have them there. You know 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.240 how sometimes they just sign get to make it look 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.680 like it's not like a top priority, and then they 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.440 do still draft somebody. So I can see something happening, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:13.160 maybe like a signing somebody that's not necessarily go trade 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.640 for Derrick Henry if you want from Tennessee. No, I'm 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.920 not gonna. I'm not gonna talk about him away from that, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.400 but um only talk about our guys, Brian, Okay until 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.600 free agency opens up and then you it's a trade 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.560 from that one. And just to be clear, this is 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.760 like we are not the football side of them. I'm sorry, 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.880 just conjectur, just talk. We're not tampering. No, we're not tampering. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.160 Not tampering it tampering. I did have this question because 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.720 you guys mentioned this, Nick you mentioned as well, Amber 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.640 mentioned it about the running backs and him being kind 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.880 of that starting role. Did you think in the game 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.120 where it was him and Malik Davis that things functioned 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.960 as you wanted them to function at and and at 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.320 optimal level for Tony when he had I mean, Mollie 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.040 Davis was another back, Tony was the starter, Tony was 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.240 the guy that was the primary back. Did you think 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:05.600 did you like that or did you think there was 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.600 still something missing in that game? Well, the victory was 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.119 missing in that game. I mean that they lost and 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.840 they lost and not necessarily think it was because the Pollard. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.320 But but I think it's all about running the ball 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.640 when you when you want to, and running the ball 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.560 when you have to, and when you have to run 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.199 the ball at the end of the game and you 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.240 can't get that. Um. You know, I do think that 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.160 that there's part of that UM Like like Amber said 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.480 that they they complimented each other perfectly. I mean some 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.560 Zeke scored twelve touchdowns and most of them down there 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.040 by the goal line, and so I don't think Pollard 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.359 gets twelve more touchdowns if he's the guy doing it. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.080 He just doesn't. I mean, go look at the Washington games. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.439 He doesn't run against that. Um. Not that many teams do, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.200 but I mean that they're not built that way. He's 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.840 not built that way. He needs another back and so 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.560 that somebody else needs to compliment him, and it just 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.160 needs to be at some something less than sixteen million 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.600 a year. But um, I just I just feel like 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.200 the role that Pollard has, I wouldn't change it. I 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.960 wouldn't change it by running him. I mean he needs 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.119 to maybe run the ball more, but not necessarily to 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.120 the point of he's the starter. He gets the first 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.280 two series and then we'll see what happens. I think 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.320 that they got to be creative with it and doing 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.280 it every week, because I remember there were staying games 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.879 and I'm like, okay, I've seen Pollard. I'm like, I 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:27.240 can't remember exactly why game. We're like you have. Maybe 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.320 Zeke wasn't playing the whole game. I don't know if 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.840 it was just a couple of games. Yeah, but I 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.960 remember being like, Okay, it wasn't terrible, but I don't 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.879 feel confident that Polar can do this week to week. 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.119 So it's just one of those things that he's a 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.399 talented guy, but I think he would reduce the spark 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.840 that he has if he had to. Kind of He 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.280 surely didn't. He surely didn't do it against the Commanders. 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.320 You know that game the two worst rushing games he 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.840 had at the season. We're against the Commanders, and if 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.399 you want to use that as your benchmark, the Commanders 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.280 played great run defense. As I say, it's not a 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.560 lot of runners that are. So that's that's what I'm saying. Though, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.280