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Speaker 2: Bill Bankston, we heard a bit about these clinical trials
Speaker 2: involving cancer in mice and it works for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: What else does it work on in terms of humans
Speaker 2: benefits that health medical type benefits to humans? What else
Speaker 2: can it cure?
Speaker 3: I have more experimental data than I have clinical data.
Speaker 3: The clinical data is much harder together. But so what
Speaker 3: we're talking here when we talk about it, applying it
Speaker 3: to people, you got to take it a little looser
Speaker 3: than the lab. Stop sure, But generally speaking, we found
Speaker 3: we're better at taking things away that you don't want
Speaker 3: than in stimulating things that are missing. So, for example,
Speaker 3: if you are a if you have Parkinson's, you're missing something.
Speaker 3: We're not very good at Parkinson's. We get some symptomatic relief,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't seem to last, and the person's a
Speaker 3: little bit better, but it's not You wouldn't flop on
Speaker 3: the floor and say, oh boy, we've solved this one.
Speaker 3: And so if you're again you're missing something. In a
Speaker 3: diabetic you're missing something. The body is not producing something,
Speaker 3: and we're not We all seem to be that good
Speaker 3: in stimulating the thing that the body is not producing.
Speaker 3: If you have something that the body has, then you're
Speaker 3: trying to get rid of it. We seem to be better.
Speaker 3: So in the case of cancer, we have a tumor,
Speaker 3: we have some sort of cancer condition, we want to
Speaker 3: take that away. We're pretty good at taking that away. Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3: If you've got Alzheimer's, you've got junk on the brains.
Speaker 3: We can get rid of the junk. Not we can
Speaker 3: go there, but we seem to have gotten rid of
Speaker 3: the junk. And then you're left with whatever you had
Speaker 3: before you had Alzheimer's. So we're not making people twenty
Speaker 3: years old. We're just taking away the jump that we
Speaker 3: don't want. And then there's some really interesting anomalies. We
Speaker 3: can't seem to fix a wart, and that sounds silly
Speaker 3: because a wart is is almost considered a joke. You know.
Speaker 3: People tell me what I say, you can't seem to
Speaker 3: be able to fix a wart. They say, any idiot
Speaker 3: can do can do a ward? I say, no, that's fine,
Speaker 3: but these idiots can't. And it's even more interesting because
Speaker 3: the people who learn how to heal using the method
Speaker 3: were we were using. If they could do worts before.
Speaker 3: Once they learned the method, they can't do worts anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's a clue. So in all healings and all
Speaker 3: patterns are not the same. There's some interesting, interesting phenomena.
Speaker 3: If you have a general need for healing. You know,
Speaker 3: it could be something as silly as not silly. But
Speaker 3: you got a broken leg, well, the leg's gonna heal
Speaker 3: much faster. It's not magical. You're not gonna snap your fingers,
Speaker 3: but you're gonna have a significant acceleration of healing, getting
Speaker 3: from the beginning to the end.
Speaker 2: You know, you call it the energy cure, but you admit,
Speaker 2: I've seen a couple of your videos and lectures, you
Speaker 2: don't really know what it is. I think my friend
Speaker 2: Joe had told me that first guy who you saw
Speaker 2: do this healing, you took him to a parapsychology lab
Speaker 2: sort of to try to monitor and see if there's
Speaker 2: some kind of energy flow or something that was measurable.
Speaker 4: Right, but you didn't buy anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't find anything. And if you think about
Speaker 3: this for a couple of minutes, energy doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And if you're dealing with energy, energy diminishes with distance.
Speaker 3: And so if I'm speaking to you and you know
Speaker 3: we're out in the street, and I move away, it
Speaker 3: gets softer and softer and softer. If I try to
Speaker 3: light at you and I move away, it gets dimmer
Speaker 3: and dimmer and dimmer. All energy diminishes with distance, and
Speaker 3: it's a pretty simple formula. In the case of healing,
Speaker 3: it doesn't diminish at all. And it's nuts if it
Speaker 3: doesn't diminish at least in terms of how we understand
Speaker 3: energy in textbooks, this can't be energy. You know, I
Speaker 3: wrote the Energy Cure a bunch of years ago, but
Speaker 3: the Energy Cure wasn't my title, I complained, when sounds true,
Speaker 3: said we're gonna call it the energy Cure, and I said,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any energy, and they said, well, thanks,
Speaker 3: feel input. But people associate this with energy healing and
Speaker 3: energy this and energy that, And I understand that. You know,
Speaker 3: they're trying to be comfortable, they'd like stop making wrap
Speaker 3: their heads around. But at a little reflection, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna say, this can't be energy.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't know what it is. You don't
Speaker 4: know what I don't know.
Speaker 3: What it is. I don't know it doesn't support to
Speaker 3: anything that I can put my finger on and say, Okay,
Speaker 3: now I get it. You know, the white boat went
Speaker 3: off and everything is perfect. Now I understand how the
Speaker 3: world works. That that hasn't happened in a long time,
Speaker 3: and I don't know anybody who knows how it works.
Speaker 4: You've said, no, I think that you think it's in
Speaker 4: a lot of people. You've said you think it's information. Basically,
Speaker 4: I think it's information.
Speaker 3: Now that that that makes me comfortable. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm as dopious the people who think it's energy, because
Speaker 3: I can't explain how the information goes from point eight
Speaker 3: to point B.
Speaker 1: You have to do.
Speaker 3: I do a cage of mice in New York. I'm
Speaker 3: in New York and and I'm right next to the
Speaker 3: cage of mice. It goes according to a particular pattern.
Speaker 3: Or if I got cell culture, so I have whatever.
Speaker 3: You know, I've got a lot of experiments. If I
Speaker 3: moved the cage of mice to Arizona, if I move
Speaker 3: to the cage of mice to Vancouver, it doesn't diminish
Speaker 3: the effect at all. Now, what in Heaven's name could
Speaker 3: go from New York to Vancouver and not diminish, that's
Speaker 3: not energy and a couple and you spend another two
Speaker 3: or three minutes thinking about this, and you got another problem,
Speaker 3: which we'll keep popping up, and that is how in
Speaker 3: Heaven's name does healings reach? That's the right way to
Speaker 3: do it. Reach a target? How do I hit a
Speaker 3: target in Vancouver? How do I hit a target in Arizona?
Speaker 3: How do I hit a target? You know, there's many, many, many,
Speaker 3: many many miles away. And the answer to that is
Speaker 3: you showed your shoulders and go, I don't know, and
Speaker 3: then you make up something to make you can make
Speaker 3: yourself comfortable. But the reality is I don't know, and
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody who knows. I know many people
Speaker 3: who think they know. But the explanations of this stuff
Speaker 3: collapse pretty easily.
Speaker 4: It makes it sound.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of entanglement, you know, spooky action at
Speaker 2: a distance, quantum entanglement. A particle one side of the
Speaker 2: universe is still connected to something else. Maybe it's a
Speaker 2: psychic phenomena. You're making a contact with them when these
Speaker 2: healing healings occur, right You're in contact with the target,
Speaker 2: either on the phone or mentally or or how.
Speaker 3: Is it worth Mentally? It turns out it doesn't make
Speaker 3: any difference whether you're on the phone doing it, whether
Speaker 3: you're you're you're zooming in, you're you need a video picture,
Speaker 3: you need a piece of paper, whatever it is, it
Speaker 3: makes the connection. Because I think healing is fundamentally about connections.
Speaker 3: What is the thing that makes the connection? People use
Speaker 3: quartum entanglement for example. It's it's nice, that's a metaphor,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't really doesn't really get to the heart
Speaker 3: of things.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this way.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody can sing, but not many people can sing. Well,
Speaker 2: there's psychics, remote viewers that we've read about. Everyone probably
Speaker 2: has some ability in that regard, but not everyone is
Speaker 2: really good at it. Is that how this works? That everybody,
Speaker 2: everybody presumably could do it to some degree, but some
Speaker 2: people are better at it than others.
Speaker 3: Well, this is probably, but I have to tell you,
Speaker 3: and this this is gonna sound well filly, but I
Speaker 3: don't know if believers can heal. I've never worked with
Speaker 3: a believer in the Lamb, and that's just for personal reasons,
Speaker 3: because believers scare me since they already know the truth.
Speaker 3: You know, what's the point of being in the lab,
Speaker 3: and and and so the believers who have a vested
Speaker 3: interest in the outcome, as opposed to a skeptic who
Speaker 3: just says, then let's see what happens. I'm much more
Speaker 3: comfortable with the skeptics. So I haven't done any systematic analyzes.
Speaker 3: Can a believer actually heal? I'm confident at this point
Speaker 3: a skeptic, inexperienced skeptic can heal, and and and so
Speaker 3: that's that's yeah, is belief retards to healing a little bit.
Speaker 2: So walk us through the process. You've learned a lot
Speaker 2: about the delivery mechanism and different ways that you know
Speaker 2: it can work. I guess talking to somebody, talking to
Speaker 2: him on the phone, putting hands on him.
Speaker 4: What else works? Water?
Speaker 2: Right, you're working ways to put this energy or thought
Speaker 2: or information into water as a as a as a
Speaker 2: conductor to healing.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from my point of view, this is interesting as
Speaker 3: a phenomenon. And I called this something like stage one
Speaker 3: research and healing. And by stage one research, I mean,
Speaker 3: can you demonstrate for sure without reasonable Cather hypotheses that
Speaker 3: you've demonstrated that healing is real? And the answer is yes,
Speaker 3: you can demonstrate that healing is real, even if I
Speaker 3: scratch my head and I don't know how it gets
Speaker 3: from point at point B, or even if that's the
Speaker 3: right way to think about it, it goes from point
Speaker 3: at point B. So that's phase one kind of research.
Speaker 3: In phase two kind of research, what are the carlists?
Speaker 3: You know? Does belief matter, does distance matter, does dost matter?
Speaker 3: Does this matter? Does that matter? And then at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, and by the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I mean thirty years later, the question is, I'm not
Speaker 3: getting closer to what the stuff really is, but I'm
Speaker 3: reasonably confident that I can reliably deliver it. And how
Speaker 3: would I then turn this into something which could benefit
Speaker 3: a bunch of people. If I'm sitting here playing with
Speaker 3: mice in a lab or I'm playing with small cultures,
Speaker 3: it's probably the best route to get at the core
Speaker 3: kind of questions from a quasi objective point of view.
Speaker 3: But eventually it'd be nice to bring dealing two people.
Speaker 3: And the simple arithmetic is, let's say I can heal,
Speaker 3: and again I'm not a healer. But let's say I
Speaker 3: can heal, and I teach you how to heal, and
Speaker 3: you teach somebody else out of hell, and they teach
Speaker 3: somebody else out of here, and let's say we even
Speaker 3: go up in a geometric progression. Well, the simple reality
Speaker 3: is there's an inexhaustible supply of people in pain. And
Speaker 3: if you're gonna make healing really practical rather than interesting,
Speaker 3: then it needs to be stored and it needs to
Speaker 3: be scaled. And so I've been working on can we
Speaker 3: store and can we scale healing to bring it in
Speaker 3: the delivery system to as many people as possible? And
Speaker 3: then I couldn't care less what the many people as
Speaker 3: possible believe or not, but just can we bring it there?
Speaker 3: Can we bring doses to lots of people? So if
Speaker 3: I'm doing one on one healing, it's cute and it's
Speaker 3: interesting to see what happens. But even if I can
Speaker 3: do a million doses, there's more in a million people
Speaker 3: who need healing, and how do I get it? So
Speaker 3: it's millions plural and people could could use it if
Speaker 3: they want. And so what I've been working on is
Speaker 3: a twofold problem. Can we store healing? And can we
Speaker 3: store it in? How do we store it? And then
Speaker 3: the second thing is can we scale it? Can we
Speaker 3: bring it to large numbers of people, and it's so
Speaker 3: far it's turning out, Yes we can. And you know,
Speaker 3: go egg on my face again because you're playing a
Speaker 3: levee and you go, oh my heavens, you know, here
Speaker 3: we go again. The universe has showed me how little
Speaker 3: I really understand.
Speaker 4: How many people you think you've trained to do it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many? How many do you think? One hundreds
Speaker 4: that I've trained?
Speaker 3: Oh? Huns and hundreds. Yeah. We give workshops a couple
Speaker 3: of times a year, not more than a couple of times,
Speaker 3: but not not that any And I also have CD
Speaker 3: set that will teach you the technique if you want
Speaker 3: to learn it that way, and so I basically, you know,
Speaker 3: Saily give away the technique. It's not a trade secret
Speaker 3: and anybody can learn it. You know. Go to my website,
Speaker 3: thanks andresearch dot com and you'll have all sorts of stuff,
Speaker 3: including papers that will make your head spin.
Speaker 4: I know I read quite a few of them today. Bill.
Speaker 4: You know, you can teach people how to do it
Speaker 4: and it works.
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier in our conversation that there are medical
Speaker 2: researchers who don't want anybody to know about it, but
Speaker 2: they all try it because they've seen the results themselves.
Speaker 4: Are doctors have done it?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's I mean it's it's pretty startling. So we
Speaker 3: have a recent case where someone has a a melanom
Speaker 3: in their eye that doesn't rebase, and we tried some
Speaker 3: treatments and the melanoma goes away, and you think that
Speaker 3: would cause curiosity. And what I've found is as a yeah,
Speaker 3: a general rule, but with many exceptions. A general rule
Speaker 3: with many exceptions of doctors, what do you do with this?
Speaker 3: You know what, Yes, melanoma shouldn't go away. This shouldn't
Speaker 3: go away. That shouldn't go away. And you get also
Speaker 3: the list and a doctor will see a small number
Speaker 3: of patients that have gone to this hocus pocus and
Speaker 3: they get better, and then they scratch their head, but
Speaker 3: they don't see the larger picture. And you ask, I
Speaker 3: ask all sorts of clinicians, would you like to try
Speaker 3: this on your patients? And they get all nervous and
Speaker 3: run out of the room. There's nothing in it for them.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't have an exclamation, you don't really
Speaker 3: have a mechanism of action. All you have is results.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean that facetiously, but all you have results.
Speaker 4: There's one of the experiments I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry to the way you think the world works.
Speaker 2: One of the experiments that was conducted. It's on mice
Speaker 2: again with tumors, cancerous tumors. You're showing results. And I heard,
Speaker 2: as you described it in this presentation, you made an
Speaker 2: ethics panel gets involved and they killed all the wise
Speaker 2: they made it go away. Was it they were disturbed
Speaker 2: that it actually worked or or what.
Speaker 3: The patterns? Which yeah, I mean, it's first of all,
Speaker 3: it shouldn't work. And it turns out there is the
Speaker 3: animal ethics committees that are in virtually all universities now
Speaker 3: to deal with animals. The animal ethics is called Anaya
Speaker 3: cook and those those protect the animals on the paper
Speaker 3: for taking animals. But it's almost become prohibitive to do research,
Speaker 3: and sometimes the only way you can do it is
Speaker 3: on animals. So I'm a big fan of what we've
Speaker 3: done to some mice. But we've learned a lot, and
Speaker 3: we couldn't learn it any other way. You can only
Speaker 3: do so much in cell cultures and all that kinds
Speaker 3: of stuff. Sooner or later you've got to try it
Speaker 3: in a body. And you don't want to start by
Speaker 3: doing it in a human body. You want to start
Speaker 3: on an animal and you work your way up up
Speaker 3: through it. And so one particular case, for example, we're
Speaker 3: doing it's at Grown University, and we explain to veterinarians
Speaker 3: and the Ayacok committee and whole that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: We don't wave of magic wand and the tumor goes away.
Speaker 3: It goes through a process. First it grows, then it ulcates,
Speaker 3: then it implodes. Then the mouse is secure for life.
Speaker 3: If that happens, that's a good thing. But the tumor
Speaker 3: is going to be is likely to grow, and it's
Speaker 3: likely to grow quite large. And people not knowingly and
Speaker 3: they do all this kind of stuff, and I say
Speaker 3: that the criteria for their mouse is distressed. It's not
Speaker 3: just the measurement of the size of the tumor. The
Speaker 3: measurement of whether a mouse is distressed. And how are
Speaker 3: they behaving? Are they eating? Are they drinking? Are they
Speaker 3: running around the cage? Are they having a good time.
Speaker 3: If that's the case, let it go, as long as
Speaker 3: they don't act sick or act in pain. I don't
Speaker 3: want animals riding around in pain. When you see this though,
Speaker 3: when you're actually confronted with the process of healing. It
Speaker 3: can be pretty startling, and so it grows, it alterates,
Speaker 3: and you go, wow, how can that be. But they're
Speaker 3: not in pain, they're not uncomfortable, nothing like that's going on.
Speaker 3: And so in one of our recent mouse experiments, we're
Speaker 3: going through and they came in, they creaked out. They
Speaker 3: said that the tumors are too big, it's beyond what
Speaker 3: we should tolerate, and they kill them in the name
Speaker 3: of mercy. We were able to grab some data out
Speaker 3: of that, so we found a bunch of biological carrotes,
Speaker 3: for example, spleenwaight, these miso were treated increased fivefold, that's
Speaker 3: not subten. So the sleenway, which is an indirect measurement
Speaker 3: of immunity, increased fivefold. And then of course they were killed.
Speaker 3: So would they have been cured, I don't know.
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