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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan.

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Speaker 2: Never told you your protection of iHeartRadio, and today we

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Speaker 2: are so excited, so so so excited to be joined

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Speaker 2: by the wonderful, the fantastic, the amazing Bridget Todd.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Bridget.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: I am so excited to talk about this with you today.

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Speaker 3: I'm just excited to be back with you.

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Speaker 2: Also, Yes, yes, how have you been? First of all, Bridget,

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Speaker 2: I have been good.

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Speaker 4: I was just talking to Sam a bit ago about

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Speaker 4: I just came back from Berlin.

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Speaker 3: Kind of a weird time.

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Speaker 4: To be doing a international travel, but the trip was

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Speaker 4: really good. Happy to be back in the United States. Yeah, thanks,

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Speaker 4: are good? How are you two good? Uh?

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Speaker 2: We've also I've been traveling more than normal lately, so

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty tired and I actually am taking this weekend

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Speaker 2: off of told everyone, like, leave me.

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Speaker 1: Bee, I need some time.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna carve my pumpkin and watch some Halloween movies

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Speaker 2: and that sounds perfect for me. Yes, but Samantha and

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Speaker 2: I recently did a trip together to some haunted houses,

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Speaker 2: so that was fun.

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Speaker 4: Wait did you the last time that we talked? I

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Speaker 4: think you were telling me that you knew all of

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Speaker 4: these tricks to get them to like the character actors

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Speaker 4: to scare you more. Did you Did you all do

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Speaker 4: those tricks.

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Speaker 1: Well, Samantha, No, because she doesn't want that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want that.

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Speaker 5: I did not.

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Speaker 6: I tried to avoid it at all costs. I will

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Speaker 6: say there was a lot of just essentially man handling

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Speaker 6: of Annie, which I like tugged onto her and pushed

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Speaker 6: and poled her to try to avoid any ghosts of

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Speaker 5: I did fail at one point.

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Speaker 6: We uh, I did discover that if you separate from

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Speaker 6: the crew, like if you're in a crowd, you're more

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Speaker 6: likely to avoid things. If you separate from that crew,

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Speaker 6: you're not gonna avoid it. And it got bad enough

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Speaker 5: I was like keep and screaming at her to move.

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Speaker 1: I was like, look at this, and.

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Speaker 5: So she really was. She was like look at that.

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Speaker 6: That is so called like shut up and moved. So

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Speaker 6: that happened a lot. I survived it. Yeah, it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: I'll sell you that.

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Speaker 6: I time Annie has the best time, which I'm really

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Speaker 6: happy for her because I wanted her to. I did

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Speaker 6: it was fun. It was fun not my cup of tea.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny how you don't want to be scared.

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Speaker 4: Annie loves being scared. That's an interesting dynamic of going

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Speaker 4: through a haunted house together.

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Speaker 6: Right right, I will say, like, I love scary movies.

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Speaker 6: I don't like being jumped at.

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Speaker 4: Is that is that your transition into the topic of

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Speaker 6: Of course, obviously, let's let's talk about these scary movies

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I have to start with the iconic question,

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Speaker 4: what's your favorite scary movie? I'm doing a bit here,

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Speaker 4: So if you're like, why did you say it weird?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing a bit well.

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Speaker 2: Before answering that question, which is a very difficult question.

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Speaker 2: I do have a story. So I love these movies

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about, to the point that when

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Speaker 2: gonna be talking about Scream. I last year, when the

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Speaker 2: So I'm like nervously waiting for this phone call and

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Speaker 2: Face and he's like, Oh, what's your favorite scary movie?

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Speaker 2: I'm in your apartment right now.

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Speaker 1: It scared the hell out of fasion. I was looking

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Speaker 2: But it was this marketing campaign where you could enter

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously he wasn't actually in your apartment or otherwise

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Speaker 2: But it was scary, and then everyone like got wind

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Speaker 3: We were the class silence.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I wonder if I could play it. I still

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Speaker 3: All right, that is they really like? That is commitment?

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Speaker 2: Almost like it what we're gonna talk about. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was fun. I'm a huge fan of these movies.

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Speaker 2: We've done episodes on we I think we did one

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Speaker 2: But that being said, I often joke that when I

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Speaker 1: But then when we got the car, my mom was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: And I had to reveal that I'd bought all these

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Speaker 3: What was it about Scream that like spoke to you, like,

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Speaker 4: That tension release kind of push Paul aspect of horror

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Speaker 2: Yes, and terrifying. So the question of like what's your

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Speaker 2: I saw The Ring, the American version.

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Speaker 2: And one of my favorite things is talking about the

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Speaker 2: Of it, Like you know, it's so it feels like

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Speaker 1: But when you really they could really get you, they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that bit about the technology and horror movies, Like

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Speaker 4: I do think that there's something about anxiety around technology, communication, systems.

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Speaker 4: How many scary movies had the trope of like the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've noticed there's like a whole new ish

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Speaker 4: So I just watched on the plane to Berlin, I

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Speaker 4: And I also there is like a thing that I'm

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Speaker 3: So I watched this movie The Influencer recently.

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Speaker 4: Which I thought I didn't love, but like is about

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Speaker 2: But you know, the kind of making money off drama thing,

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Speaker 4: Yes, I agree, And I will say, like to set

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Speaker 4: That was a really great rundown the character Gail Weathers.

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Speaker 4: When I first saw Scream as a young person, I

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Speaker 4: So if you don't know what the V chip is,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't seem like there's a lot of information out

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00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: there that really proves a, you know, a correlation. But

445
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: I really understand how we still get so much like

446
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 4: handwringing an anxiety about it because if you're a parent

447
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: and you're worried about your kids, you're worried it's about

448
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: sending your kids to school. You can't really control the

449
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 4: legislation around guns in the United States right, Like we're

450
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: just we've just like lost the ability to really have

451
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 4: any kind of like direct impact on that. I think

452
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 4: you really can't control what's happening at your kids school

453
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 4: when you're not there. I think one of the reasons

454
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 4: why you see this anxiety around media is because it

455
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 4: feels like something you can control, Like, even if that

456
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 4: link is not really there between violent media and violent behavior,

457
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: I think that in absence of feeling like they have

458
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: something they can cling to, something they can control, something

459
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: they can like, it just becomes a backdrop to project

460
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: your anxieties onto that. I but even if it's not

461
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: really the appropriate thing to handring about. I understand how

462
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: it becomes like in absence of anything that you feel

463
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 4: like you can control, you feel like you can control

464
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: the kind of media that comes into your home.

465
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Speaker 2: And one of the things I find really interesting about

466
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: Scream is that in the end, almost every killer realizes this.

467
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: Almost every killer comes out and says, Oh, we're gonna

468
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: blame the movies.

469
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: Oh I'm gonna blame this. Oh I was on Reddit

470
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: and now look at me.

471
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: Like they know it and they use it, and that's

472
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: what they're defense is going to be in several cases,

473
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: like actually the defense they're.

474
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Going to use in court. So they recognize that this

475
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: is a thing, and I.

476
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 4: Think it becomes like almost like a red herring where

477
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 4: it's like, if you're so busy focused on.

478
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 3: Reddit or the movies or.

479
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 4: The this or the that, you're not actually focused on

480
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: the real issue. And the killers in these movies they

481
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: know that, and they're using that as a way to

482
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: evade their accountability for their crimes or like I can

483
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 4: just blame this. And because of all that anxiety, because

484
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: of all that handwringing, my actual motives, how I've actually

485
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: done this just goes overlooked.

486
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: Right, And it's part of the fun of these movies

487
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: is they are so meta. So it's you're watching a

488
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: slasher movie that's basically telling you, like, yeah, we know, uh,

489
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: people are going to blame us for stuff, and we're

490
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: going to talk about it.

491
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Speaker 1: Which is one of the things I love about them.

492
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: Right.

493
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: And so the way that the scream movies really were

494
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: a commentary on the conversation around violent media that we

495
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 4: were having at that time in the nineties plays into

496
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: that so much because with technology like the V chip,

497
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: the burden was shifted off of like the government or

498
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: TV people who make media onto parents to be the

499
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: sole controls of what kind of media their kids are consuming, right,

500
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 4: And so like, if I'm Stu and Billy and I'm

501
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: just blaming the violent movies, really what that's actually saying

502
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 4: is like, oh, it's the parents.

503
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: The parents should have like used this V chip.

504
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 4: To block their kids from seeing prom Night or Halloween

505
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: and they didn't, and now he's a killer.

506
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: Like it was just a.

507
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: Real way to like expertly shift the blame around. And

508
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 4: I think it mirrors the conversation that folks were having

509
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: in the nineties, And so even though there was all

510
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: this conversation and also public support around technology like the

511
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 4: v chip that was rolled out in the end.

512
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 3: One of the reasons.

513
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 4: Why, like Annie, you were like V chip never heard

514
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 4: of it is because it wasn't really being used that

515
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: much by parents. A study that followed one hundred and

516
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: ten families from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand found

517
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: that just nine families regularly used their V chip to

518
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 4: control mature and violent programming. I have my theories on

519
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: why this is. I think setting it up was kind

520
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: of cumbersome. I think a lot of parents were like, oh,

521
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: this is a little bit complicated. I'm not going to

522
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 4: do this. So I went back to check the different

523
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 4: rating systems like we're most familiar with, like TVMA and

524
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: things like that, But there's so many of them. There's TVY,

525
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: TV Y seven, TVG, TVPG, TV fourteen, TVMA. Then inside

526
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: of that there's different content descriptors. Right D stands for

527
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 4: sexual or suggestive dialogue, L stands for course or crude language,

528
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 4: s as sexual situations, V is violence, FV is family violence,

529
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: exclusive to the TV Y seven rating. So it's complicated

530
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: as hell, is what I'm saying. And so I can

531
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: understand why parents were like, uh, this is way too

532
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: many acronyms.

533
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 3: I have work in the morning. I am not setting

534
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: this up.

535
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 4: I also suspect, like, if your household was anything like

536
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 4: my household, if you were a teen at this time,

537
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: the responsibility for setting up the technology and like telecommunications

538
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: in your home probably fell on your shoulders. Your parents

539
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: were like, I don't know how to set this up.

540
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: You do it.

541
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: So if you're the young person who was being asked to, like, like,

542
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 4: you're not going to be setting up parental controls on

543
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 4: your own TV, if you are the person who is

544
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: responsible for setting up how TV happens in your home, right,

545
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: So that's what I suspect might have been part of

546
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: why this like technology just did not take off.

547
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 6: You know what I find funny though with that, is Yes,

548
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 6: I was in that generation. I was a teenager when

549
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 6: the internet came out, Like, I did not have the

550
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 6: access to internet until I left for college because my

551
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 6: parents were not buying the new things and at this

552
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 6: point it was a new thing, and I would have

553
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 6: to go to my aunt's house to use AOL. Yes,

554
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 6: and you immediately think of that sound when you connect

555
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 6: and then immediately know the sound when it hangs up

556
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 6: and you get real pissed off because someone picked up

557
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 6: a phone. Yes, I was in that generation. I find

558
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 6: it funny because yes, we were part of that. Me

559
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: and my brother, who are around the same age, were

560
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 6: the ones who had set it up. But even today

561
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 6: for my boomer parents, we have to set up any

562
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 6: day with the smart stuff and the likelihood that we

563
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 6: know even more so than the younger generations because they're

564
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 6: so used to just having it around on how to

565
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 6: get it connected.

566
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 5: Because we're like the og of all of these things.

567
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 6: It kind of makes me laugh because somehow the genetic

568
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 6: slash millennials are the ones who know how to set

569
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 6: these things up more so even than most of the

570
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 6: younger generations because they just always have had it.

571
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: Yes, I've actually read some really interesting research and commentary

572
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 4: that suggests that the younger generation, like Gen Z they

573
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: might like because they've always had things like iPads and

574
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: smartphones that are so sort of like drag and drop,

575
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: so sort of like intuitive, and if you've always had them,

576
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 4: the sort of inner machinations of like how they work

577
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: and like what is being represented when you do things

578
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: might be a little bit vague, a little bit vaguer

579
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: to them than they are to somebody who is my age,

580
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: who like grew up having to understand that kind of

581
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: thing just to like make it work right, Like having

582
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: to understand like when you save a file what that means,

583
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: and like how to find it and all of that.

584
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: None of this stuff.

585
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: When I was first using computers was like easily laid

586
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: out through the user like easy to navigate user interface.

587
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: It was a lot of like squinting at the screen

588
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 4: and guessing.

589
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 6: Check and like, yeah, we only have to coding in

590
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 6: order should get access to specific sides.

591
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 5: You're like, what the hell is I have to control

592
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 5: all B what F three?

593
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 6: What?

594
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeh?

595
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 6: But I do find it funny coming back to that

596
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 6: when you'd have most of these classics, because when I

597
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 6: was growing up, I watched a lot of the cheesiest

598
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 6: seventies eighties horror movies because they were amazing and they

599
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 6: were so bad. The effects were so bad, but it

600
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 6: was so good because you still love that idea. I

601
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 6: also loved the horror stories y'all know I'm talking about,

602
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 6: like the classic horror stories, Appellation horror stories that you

603
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 6: know came back like the scariest stories like those are

604
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 6: the things that I grew up with and haunted me,

605
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 6: still haunts me. I was telling I think Annie, I

606
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 6: told you, no, MAYBEA I told my partner when I

607
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 6: was in middle school, so this is.

608
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: Way before y'all. Don't talk to me about age.

609
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 6: We would go into like different theater companies coming perform

610
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 6: I think I was in the fifth grade and they

611
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 6: were supposed to do a Mark Twain show, and we're

612
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 6: like cool, cool, cool, old school and then it flipped

613
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 6: real quick to an Edgar Allan Poe Telltale Heart. So

614
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 6: for those of us who didn't know what was coming

615
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 6: hearing because they would have like the surround sound of

616
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 6: the beating heart, and it haunts me.

617
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: To this day.

618
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 6: That's scary, Like that story was one of the scariest

619
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: stories I'd ever heard in my life. And I'm thinking

620
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 6: back into like back to like would the kids today

621
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 6: would that have scared them or would they have been

622
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 6: like laughing because they're like what is that?

623
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 5: What is this?

624
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 6: Because in my mind, like it was scary as hell.

625
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 6: I've been realizing how technology has quickly changed and how

626
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 6: like the grounds of change, and again, yeah, people don't

627
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 6: even understand what the phone is, like, why would you

628
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 6: why would you have to connect to what's the landline?

629
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 6: Why do you have to do what is the pressing?

630
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 6: Why can't they just like call a number or say,

631
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 6: see he call this thing? Like it's quite funny to

632
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 6: me that I'm like, yeah, y'all probably don't understand how

633
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 6: scary it really was.

634
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

635
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: Oh do you ever watch a horror movie like from

636
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: like the nineties or beyond and you're like, why doesn't

637
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: she just use her cell phone to call her help?

638
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, wait, a huge phone.

639
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: In Scream, there is that like the scene where it

640
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: sets the audience up to think that Billy is the

641
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: killer and a self because a cell phone drops out

642
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: of his pocket and it's like a cell phone?

643
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: Why?

644
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: And the cops are like why do you have a

645
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: cell phone? And he's like people have to now, like

646
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: it was so unusual for somebody to just have a

647
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: cell phone.

648
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 5: Yes, nothing, you're rich or you're up to no good.

649
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 6: It's kind of like the pages of the General like

650
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 6: the immediately you were you were no good exactly.

651
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: Us bridget you need to watch all the rest of

652
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: the screen movies.

653
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: It just keep updating us because the newer ones have

654
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: things with like Siri and you're ring camera and like

655
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 2: using voice commands and all this stuff.

656
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: So would you say that Scream is one of the

657
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: more tech savvy horror franchises.

658
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: I yeah, I would say that, But I also don't

659
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: have that kind of stuff, So I never talked to

660
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: Siri and I don't use ring. But I think so,

661
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I at least like it's definitely addressing the

662
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: question of, oh, hey, this is the world we live

663
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: in now. I think the fifth one as a whole

664
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: thing about like Netflix and Reddit and Phantom in that way.

665
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Speaker 2: So I mean they are definitely at least engaging in

666
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: this is the technology that we have, and this is

667
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: how we think it would impact or fuel this horror

668
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: story that we're telling.

669
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's really interesting when horror movies use

670
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: technology as a way to like buttress whatever story or

671
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 4: message you know, they're trying to tell, which I feel

672
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: like Scream definitely does.

673
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: So.

674
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: After this V chip technology is put in place, television

675
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: programs are then rated for how much like ricey or

676
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 4: mature content they contain, and so to give parents ostensibly

677
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: the power to like block their kids from them, even

678
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: though parents aren't really doing this. However, the news news

679
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: programming was exempt from these ratings, and so there was

680
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 4: no way to block the news from your home. Using

681
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: this technology just sort of like giving it a pass

682
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 4: to come into people's homes. This coincided with news media

683
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 4: becoming more and more solidified as a form of like

684
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: always on entertainment, starting famously with CNN as like the

685
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: first twenty four hour news network, later with Fox News

686
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: and MSNBC. According to NPR media reporter David Folkenflick, the

687
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 4: subsequent arrival of Fox at MSNBC, it May nineteen ninety

688
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: six a seminal year for cable news. Remember that in

689
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: the nineties you had these like big, splashy gory crimes

690
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: that played out in the news. Nineteen ninety four, you

691
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: get oj Simpson, nineteen ninety three, you get Lorraina Bobbitt.

692
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: The murder of Scott Amadora in nineteen ninety five, who

693
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: folks don't know who that is. He was shot and

694
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: murdered after an appearance on the tabloid show The Jenny

695
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: Jones Show, where he revealed his secret crush on a

696
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 4: man who later shot him killed him and used gay

697
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: panic as his defense during his trial. In nineteen ninety six,

698
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: in a piece called how Scream Explored the exploitative nature

699
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: of nightly news, the Smithsonian Magazine spoke to Jamie L. Flexen,

700
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 4: a professor of criminology and criminal justice at Florida International University,

701
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: who said the onslaught of round the clock coverage of bizarre,

702
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: outlier incidents powerfully shaped American's perceptions of crime, saying, I

703
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 4: believe because of this, society is much more afraid. The

704
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 4: boogeyman does exist in this way an interaction between the

705
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: human condition and the business of media amid a context

706
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 4: of exploring rare situations to symbolize problems. And honestly, despite

707
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 4: all of the anxieties and handering about violent media and

708
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 4: violent crime and the anxieties around it, violent crime was

709
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: famously down in the nineties during this time where people

710
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: were so concerned about it.

711
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think one of the things Scream does

712
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: also is that it this was before true crime had

713
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: really taken off. People were still fans of it, but

714
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: there was no Netflix yet, there was no places where

715
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: it could bringe it yet. But there's a point where

716
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: as the daughter of this woman who had been murdered

717
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: that people are constantly talking about, like constantly kind of

718
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: sharing their theories like, oh no, you're wrong, you lied

719
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: about her. There's a point where she like vocalizes this

720
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: this fear that she has that if she says something

721
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: like out of place, they will blame her dad, because

722
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: it's usually the like husband or the like. She has

723
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: this in her head that there are people watching her

724
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: her story what has happened, and trying to dissect it

725
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: and having to like live with Okay, I really don't

726
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: want them to think it was my dad, which feels

727
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: like now watching it, almost like premonition or something like

728
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: it was.

729
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: It was very on point with that.

730
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: And then going back to something you said earlier, Bridget,

731
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: the second one spoilers the one of the killers is

732
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: Billy Loomis's mother. Oh yes, and she has a whole

733
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: speech that's like they always blame the mother and she

734
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: did do it.

735
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's why they're her because she did it.

736
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: But it was interesting because it's like they were it

737
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: was her.

738
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: And then Timothy Olidfant's character Mickey, who was like, I'm

739
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: going to blame the movies and she was like, I

740
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: never believe that defense never wants she kills Mickey.

741
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I just am so upset about what

742
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: happened to my son and that you did it.

743
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: But like that idea of you know, that story that

744
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: we want to believe or that it's being told that

745
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: we're seeing in our media, that they really because I mean,

746
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: I could go on and odd, so Matha knows, like

747
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: the fourth one is all about true crime as well.

748
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: The fifth one's all about fandom, and in fact, one

749
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 2: of the actors went on to Reddit to learn about

750
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: toxic fandom to play a role in there. But also

751
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: like going back to the internet was just becoming really

752
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: big for a lot of us around the time this

753
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: movie came out. And just for a fun fact, this

754
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: is one of the first movies that had they were

755
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: worried about spoilers, so they wrote different scripts after the

756
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: first one because they got leaked online. And so it's

757
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: really interesting in that way too, of like, and they

758
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: even talk about it in the third one about how

759
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: they have multiple scripts and they don't know which one

760
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: the murderer is following.

761
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Speaker 6: As I said, on all things, but you know how

762
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 6: they went back to she is she don't don't think

763
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 6: she doesn't already know.

764
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 5: She's already She's already read the artist. I said, I know,

765
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: I read this a while ago.

766
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: I was exactly, Uh.

767
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 6: But you know, one of the things coming back to

768
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 6: how like news had become a whole thing. I would

769
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 6: just remember like the eighties, late eighties and nineties were

770
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 6: filled with like unsolved mysteries. Rescue nine one one was

771
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 6: regularly played at our house and that started in nineteen

772
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 6: eighty nine. And then you also had things like the

773
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 6: Top ten Most Wanted, which was like talking about that

774
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 6: boogeyman that comes around. But there also had been that

775
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 6: moment where news anchors were getting Pulitzers for being big

776
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 6: storytellers so they could solve a crime and do it

777
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 6: while on air. They would get these accolades, and I

778
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 6: remember that being a huge thing. Barbara Walters was huge

779
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 6: at that point in time. Sixty Minutes, which is still going,

780
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 6: but like that was coming out huge because they would

781
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 6: follow people like oh Jay Simpson and then have that

782
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 6: exclusive interview in doing the behind the scenes. Lorena Bobbitt,

783
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 6: I remember this case specifically because the husband came on

784
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 6: talking about his thing and had his huge thing of

785
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 6: fame like so many things now, Like Lorena Bobbitt wasn't

786
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 6: so bad in my mind back then, yeah, but today

787
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, okay, I get it.

788
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 5: I don't condone what she did, but I'm just saying

789
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 5: I get it. But like the early nineties.

790
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 6: Which this is that it is if you look back,

791
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 6: I didn't think about it then obviously, but it was

792
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 6: going after those reporters who were just willing to crawl

793
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 6: over all of the victims, which has become a circus

794
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 6: today and there's a huge different, whole different conversation and

795
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 6: now as a podcast. But that was really kind of

796
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 6: that beginning of like, oh, they want to see the

797
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 6: gory details, they want to know the depth of depravity

798
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 6: of men, and then if we can say it in

799
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 6: a perfect story to haunt everyone, we're going to be famous.

800
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: And you even see that in Scream with Gail.

801
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 4: You know, she's writing a book about the death of

802
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: Sydney's mom and has kind of gotten personally involved in

803
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: the case, advocating for the innocence of Cotton, the person

804
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 4: who's been charged with her mom's death. And it's clear

805
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 4: that she's not doing this because she like like maybe

806
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 4: she genuinely believes that he's innocent, But when she's talking

807
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: about it, she says, if I'm right, I could say

808
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 4: this man's life. Do you know that what that would

809
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 4: do for my book sales? Again, iconic wine from Gail

810
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 4: Weathers on this one. But I do think that that

811
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: dichotomy that you're explaining, Sam, about how the news media

812
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: felt then is what Scream is is meant to be

813
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: a commentary on so Scream's writers Adam White and Michelle

814
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 4: Delgado said that Scream is meant to be an exploration

815
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: of this exploitative nature of tabloid news that minds people's

816
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: worst and most traumatic moments for entertainment, but doing so

817
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: under the guise of like informing the public through news,

818
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: and it highlights this kind of interesting inconsistency we saw

819
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: in media at the time, that the news could cover

820
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 4: the minutia of these gory, splashy cases and do so

821
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: in a way that was exempt from this government beat

822
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: chip rating, but had those plotlines been happening on an

823
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: episode of like melrose Place, they would be rated as mature.

824
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: I think this moral inconsistency that we saw in media

825
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: was exactly what Scream was speaking to, you know, like

826
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 4: the scream teens are scolded for.

827
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: Watching too many gore or slashier movies.

828
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 4: All of this happening while Gail Weathers and these other

829
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 4: news anchors are really like essentially stalking and surveilling these

830
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: teenagers to breathlessly and relentlessly cover the minutia of this

831
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 4: trauma they're experiencing under the guise of being like, well,

832
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: the public has a right to know.

833
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: Right, And it's no we talk about this all the

834
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: time when it comes to horror movies. Kind of that

835
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: how it reflex what we're anxious about as a society,

836
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: but also kind of that judgment of like who is

837
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: the who's going to be the victim here? Those rules

838
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: that Randy lays out of like don't have sex, don't

839
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: do drugs, all that stuff. So it also feels very

840
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: like these older people are watching these younger people and like, yeah,

841
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: you should have listened to me. You deserved that, and

842
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: now I'm going to put it on the news and

843
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: make money about it. Like it's it's very Oh, you

844
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: are a young person who's basically living their life, but

845
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: she shouldn't have done that, and now you're dead, and

846
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: that's that's your fault.

847
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very voyeuristic, and I think I think Scream

848
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 4: really does a good job also of like I don't

849
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 4: know asking the question of like, sure, Gail Weathers is

850
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: not out here murdering teens, but she is making money

851
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: off of that, she's profiting off of that personally, so like, sure,

852
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: she may not be a murderer herself, but is she

853
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 4: really that much better than whoever is murdering these teens?

854
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

855
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: And I love like, I love how every time Gail

856
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: Weathers has this thing, there's something you have to appreciate

857
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: as women, because we're always told like ambitious women are terrible.

858
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: That we were watching Gil Weathers. You're like, yes, go

859
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: get it, Gail, But.

860
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: Like every movie ends with her realizing like, oh, I've

861
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: lost all of my friends.

862
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I should And then the next movie starts she's.

863
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 3: Back or she's I'm so body brought this up. This

864
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: is why I love. This is why I like I

865
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: ride for Gailee.

866
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 4: Weathers in this movie and then the other screen movies

867
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: that I've seen, is that I feel like the movie

868
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: is setting us up to be like, Wow, what an

869
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 4: annoying conniving She's gonna have a gory death and really

870
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: get hers and won't that be great? But Gail Weathers

871
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: always comes out on top, and not only does she

872
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: come out on top, she doesn't learn a damn thing.

873
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: By the next movie, whatever lesson you think has been

874
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 4: internalized by Gail, she's back and worse.

875
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: And I love that.

876
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 4: I love when this is just like I mean, I'm

877
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: I wanted to try to like connect this to some

878
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 4: larger like moralistic thing of like it's feminist to like

879
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: it when like women are is actually.

880
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: I just like think that's cool.

881
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: I just personally like to see when a female character

882
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: doesn't really learn anything, and like, you know, I don't know,

883
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 4: like is it so wrong that Gaie Weathers wants her Pulitzer?

884
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: Like is it so wrong that she cares about her career?

885
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 4: And like it's kind of going to exploit some teens

886
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: to get there.

887
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 6: I mean the few movies that I actually, thanks to Annie,

888
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 6: I've seen more than.

889
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: I think you've seen. Everyone but the Newest.

890
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 6: One, the Newest One, Yeah, has made that this is

891
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 6: her gift. But I will say when she's in crunch,

892
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 6: she's gonna help out, Like she's gonna be there. She's

893
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 6: got her back she's gonna take the perpetrator out. She's going,

894
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 6: she's gonna, she's gonna fight, so when it counts, she's there.

895
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: And then she don't get her She saves.

896
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 4: She saves, the saves the day like and also it

897
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 4: really you don't count out Gaie Weathers. You might think

898
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: she's dead in that van. She might look bad, but

899
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 4: don't cut out Gaie Weathers.

900
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 5: She'll be right back.

901
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: She'll she's got nine lives. That's the joke.

902
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 3: Does she is? She? Is she in the most recent Scream? Yes,

903
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: Oh thank god? Yes.

904
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: I also like in the fifth one, it opens with

905
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: Dewey like drinking at nine am and he's watching Good

906
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: Morning America and she's on there and she's like talking

907
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: about how bad her hair.

908
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: Used to be, and I'm like, yeah, good for you, Gail.

909
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 4: You know, honestly, I as much as I love the

910
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: like horror women in horror movie tropes like Final Girl,

911
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 4: I would read a deep dive analysis of like g

912
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 4: you know, character that we're supposed to hate, but like

913
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: actually we kind of love. I you know, if you

914
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: ever like there's a I think there are a lot

915
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 4: of them horror movies, Like if you've ever seen.

916
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: It's not a horror movie. I guess it's a thriller.

917
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: But the hand that rocks the cradle, I think it's

918
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: Julianne Moore's character, who's like the smart mouthed, like bad

919
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: real estate lady in House of Wax, I remember famous,

920
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 4: so that Paris Halted is kind of the annoying friend

921
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 4: and House of Wax, and they really.

922
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: Make a meal out of her murder in that movie.

923
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: They really are.

924
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: Really excited to kill Paris Halted in a gruesome way

925
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: in that movie because she's like the annoying girl in

926
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 4: the movie.

927
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: One thing I do like about Gail Weathers, though, is

928
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: like I like gil Weather's.

929
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: That makes it sound like I don't.

930
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: But one thing I like about it is that her

931
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: and Sydney have this really adversarial relationship. They become friends

932
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: and they still fight, and I like that they show

933
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 2: that they still show like there's a because Gail still

934
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: wants this story of Sydney's and Sydney's still like no,

935
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: that's but they are still friends. So I like that

936
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: it kind of plays out that way that eventually you're like,

937
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: oh no, they're buddies and they show up for each

938
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: other and they have a complex relationship.

939
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: M yeah, I think like showing they've been They've been

940
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 4: through a lot together, so they're not like braiding each

941
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 4: other's hair, but when it matters, they stick up for

942
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: each other. When it matters, Gale's out of that van

943
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: with a gun, ready to save the day, like, yeah,

944
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm like so like in deep in this converse.

945
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: I know I'm too.

946
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: From the beginning, I told you.

947
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: It's just a.

948
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 4: Really, I don't know, I don't know where to go this.

949
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: I think Scream really they were onto something about making

950
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: a commentary about media anxieties and anxieties around violence. And

951
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 4: it's interesting to me that it's had such an enduring

952
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 4: legacy of making commentary for like a decade now, Like

953
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: I guess Scream came out in nineteen ninety six. The

954
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 4: most recent one was what two thousand.

955
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: And twenty two, Yeah, so like last year.

956
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 4: A decade's long legacy of commenting on our collective anxieties

957
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: around technology and media and violence and our behavior. And

958
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: I think, you know that iconic line that Billy says

959
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 4: in the first movie, where I think it's Sydney like

960
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 4: you've sad one too many movies, and Billy is like,

961
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative. And

962
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 4: to me, that's like the ultimate encapsulation of the entire

963
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 4: anxiety and conversation of like, well, is it the movies,

964
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: is it the media, is it the content, or is

965
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: it something else that these these movies are just allowing

966
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 4: for more creativity or more you know, a smoke screen

967
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: to like have people do more crimes and have more

968
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 4: violent behavior. Like that line I think really reveals the

969
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: ultimate anxiety that I think Scream is really commenting on.

970
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think like every movie has some version

971
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: of that where it ends with oh, I'm going to

972
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: blame the movies and it allows them to.

973
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

974
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: I mean essentially, they're they've found that they can do this,

975
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: they believe they can get away with it through this,

976
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: but it's so many other things like it is. I

977
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: think a lot of this also oils down to we

978
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 2: can't just give one reason. There's not just one thing,

979
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: Like maybe you did get on Reddit and it didn't

980
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: go well for you, but that can't be like the

981
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: only thing, like for that, Reddit has to have existed

982
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: in the first place. And you also have a character

983
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: like Randy, who is so into horror movies. He's the

984
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: one that lays out the rules, and he is not

985
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: a killer at all, Like he has consumed all of

986
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: this stuff, maybe even more, and he isn't a killer.

987
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: So I think it's interesting that they also have sort

988
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 2: of a foil for all of these like killers, who are.

989
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: The movies made me?

990
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: Did it?

991
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: And then you see Randy and not at all.

992
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: But also it is funny that they always have this

993
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: laying out of the rules scene, and in the most

994
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: recent one they were like, oh, no, we're in a franchise.

995
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: Like that's how big it's gone.

996
00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: That's a sequel.

997
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's a trilogy, and now it's.

998
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 3: Oh franchized, that's hilarious.

999
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has endured to the point that, yeah,

1000
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: it's a franchise.

1001
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 4: And I think, ultimately, like that's my point is that

1002
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 4: violence is such a complex issue, Like we've been handwringing

1003
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 4: about how we curb and combat violence for so long

1004
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: that these tidy explanations reddit violent movies, violent media.

1005
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: Watching the O. J. Simpson treil on the news, whatever,

1006
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: this don't work.

1007
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 4: And I think that ultimately, like that is what the

1008
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: film is trying to show that interpersonal violence is always

1009
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: more complicated than that, always more complex than that.

1010
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: So if somebody is trying to.

1011
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 4: Sell you like this, this is the reason that person

1012
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 4: is perhaps not bringing the nuance to the conversation that

1013
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: it deserves. I think that maybe, like that is what

1014
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: Scream is ultimately trying to tell us.

1015
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely agree, because I feel again, every

1016
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: movie has this like moment, like almost montage where you

1017
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: believe it's every person at work right, like, oh it's you,

1018
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: Oh it's you, because there are all these complex reasons

1019
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: or why people might do it, and yeah, just the

1020
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 2: like simple Oh they watched a lot of horror movies.

1021
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't work, and that's never how it ends.

1022
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: I've seen these.

1023
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 3: Movies a lot.

1024
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: That's how a.

1025
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: Good scholar in residence Annie Reese.

1026
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh what a day. You've brightened my day.

1027
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: It's just so fun to talk about horror movies.

1028
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 4: Like everybody in my life knows that, Like if you

1029
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: let me go off on, Like my favorite piece of

1030
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: horror growing up and still today is Tales from the Crypt.

1031
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: I've seen every episode.

1032
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 4: When I was a kid, I used to do I

1033
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 4: do an impression of the crypt Keeper that like my

1034
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: brother who would like die of laughter in person the Cryptkeeper.

1035
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: It's just so fun to talk about horror, and like,

1036
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, we should get more than one month

1037
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 4: a year to do it.

1038
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: You are welcome back anytime to talk about horror. I

1039
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: feel bad.

1040
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I just went on and on, but

1041
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: I have you know, I could keep going, but then

1042
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: none of us would get of here.

1043
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: Should we do? We should do a part two on

1044
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: Scream too.

1045
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 6: Yes, I think this is like third episode for us

1046
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 6: on a stream.

1047
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 5: Fourth But there's something to say about every one of them.

1048
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: Though, second one's Blame the Mother, third one's Harvey Wines Dude,

1049
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: the fourth one is true crime and women, and then

1050
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 2: the fifth one is fandom.

1051
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: The sixth one is Trauma.

1052
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: That's gonna be the seventh one Trump, I think.

1053
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: I think the seventh one is gonna be Oh, because

1054
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I think.

1055
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: Sidney Prescott wasn't in the most recent one because of

1056
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: contract they didn't want to pay. Oh, I think she's

1057
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: gonna be in the next one, So I think it's

1058
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: gonna be some kind of.

1059
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 5: Like, Oh, she is gonna be the next one.

1060
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: There, it sounds like it they have it finalized.

1061
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 6: They got a lot of backlash for not having her on.

1062
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe the next scream will be that the real

1063
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 4: killer will be predatory contracts, lock you in for years.

1064
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would love it. I would find

1065
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: some way to talk about it all this show, like, uh.

1066
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 6: Honestly, we haven't done a second of the new new franchise.

1067
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh. I do have a lot of thoughts about that one.

1068
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: That one has a lot of bait and switches that

1069
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts about, Like, oh, I

1070
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: know the killer.

1071
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I don't.

1072
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 6: I mean, we can do an emergency episode the three

1073
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 6: of us, the three of us watch one of the other.

1074
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 5: Screams and go to tell.

1075
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: I'm here for that.

1076
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 5: We'll see you next week, next week, Yes.

1077
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: If you make it. Who's gonna be the final girl?

1078
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't say, don't say the line. You know what

1079
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: it is, don't do it anyway.

1080
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 3: I'll be right back.

1081
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 6: Y'all are racist, So I feel like the prediction would

1082
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 6: be Annie, but you know whatever, Oh wow, I feel

1083
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 6: like i'd be the first one to go for some reason,

1084
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 6: like Asian women are seen as like really trashy. Asian

1085
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 6: fetishists love right so unless it's an Asian horror movie,

1086
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 6: then I'm the one that's killing.

1087
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: And maybe you've got like one streak in your hair, like, oh,

1088
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 4: there's a she's got a red streak in her hair.

1089
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: That's how you know she's a bad.

1090
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 6: If it's not all yeah, if it's not all pink,

1091
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 6: then it's or purple, then I'm definitely got the one

1092
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 6: streak and I've definitely become possessive everyone. If it's we're

1093
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 6: doing an Asian level of horror.

1094
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: Movie, oh man, I'm so into this. I'm into it

1095
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Speaker 2: however it works out. I definitely want to hear your

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Speaker 2: thoughts one way or another, Bridget when you watch the

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Speaker 2: rest of them, because the rest of it, perhaps obviously

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Speaker 2: I have a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of thought.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna watch you have an assignat from next Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like legitimately excited. Oh wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this was so delightful. So thank you as always

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Speaker 2: Bridget for coming on. We love having you.

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Speaker 1: Where can the good listeners find you?

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Speaker 3: You can find me on my pod there are no

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Speaker 3: girls on the internet. On iHeartRadio, you can find me

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Speaker 3: on Instagram at Bridget Marie DC. You can find me

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Speaker 3: on TikTok At Bridget makes.

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Speaker 2: Pods, Yes and definitely looking forward to the next time

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Speaker 2: you come, whether it's screen based or not.

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Speaker 1: And you can find us listeners.

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Speaker 2: You can email us at Stephania mom stuff at iHeartMedia

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Speaker 2: dot com. You can find us on Twitter at mastaf

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Speaker 2: Podcasts or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you.

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Speaker 2: We have a tea public store, and we do have

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Speaker 2: a book where there's a lot of stuff about screaming

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Speaker 2: there you can get now wherever you get your books.

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our super produced Christina or executive

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Speaker 2: producer Maya and our contributor Joey. Thank you and thanks

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Speaker 2: to you for listening. Steph I never told you his

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Speaker 2: prediction iHeartRadio for more podcast on my Heart Radio. You

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