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Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys like CD Lamb and now your hosts.

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks and Kyle Yeoman's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and six days until the NFL drafted. We

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Speaker 1: are one day post college football season, as the final

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Speaker 1: After a national championship win for the Alabama Crimson Tide

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Speaker 1: last night. It's already sparked some debate behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, but

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Speaker 1: now we've taken into the forefront, we'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: national championship game. There's plenty to get to about the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys draft process. Because well there's a new defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: brought us Bucky Brooks, David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad

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Speaker 1: you're all with us here on this Tuesday morning Draft show,

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Speaker 1: one of two this week. Of course, Thursday at ten

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Speaker 1: o'clock will be back as well. But well, Dave, I

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Speaker 1: know you're upset because Nick Saban and Alabama ended up

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Speaker 1: winning a national championship, But are you upset about the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator coaching higher? Because I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit more. Is that good enough to

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Speaker 1: I mean you're just numb, you know, being upset at

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Speaker 1: like what are you gonna do? So, no, that's fine,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean I'm I'm not gonna go as

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday. If you read the tea leaves of

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Speaker 1: the last month and a half, this checks a lot

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Speaker 1: of their boxes because it's it's very obvious that they've

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Speaker 1: regretted trying to do too much during a pandemic overhauling

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Speaker 1: the defensive scheme. It was just too much for them

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Speaker 1: for them. Brian, do you agree with the hire of

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Speaker 1: what I was worried about with so many coaches, you know,

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're a coach that's interviewing for a

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Speaker 1: Talking to folks around the league, I have friends in

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Speaker 1: People probably don't want to hear this, but maybe this

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Speaker 1: even allows you to try to reclaim Jalen Smith. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know dan Quinn, he's been famous for years for

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Speaker 1: It's something I could imagine Jalen doing under Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 1: least a realistic hope for better results. Now having said that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: safety is still obviously a huge need. It's been a

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Speaker 1: they address it. They're not going to spend big on

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Speaker 1: do that. But yeah, I mean, a talent at the

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely something they need to look at. I just

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Speaker 1: and be that second enforcer for Mike McCarthy on this

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Speaker 1: So I think Dan Quinn brings that extra level of

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Speaker 1: maturity and experience that, Hey, I've been to the mountaintop.

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Speaker 1: gonna break in a new or a different quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: think if you look at that, I think that conversation

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Speaker 1: had to be had to be had if they want

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Speaker 1: to get up and running, or they prayed that Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn has a top five defense and Jameis Winston can

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Speaker 1: lead him in the Promised Land. Mac Jones at ten, Hey,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna day Bucky. Let's get those trade charts out.

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Speaker 1: What do we gotta do to get up to five?

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Speaker 1: We were sitting in the four hole. Everybody wanted to

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Speaker 1: all right. When we come back Twitter on the twenty,

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Speaker 1: And hey, since we moved to ten o'clock, this can

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Speaker 1: as always for some Twitter. There we go Chris Beam

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Speaker 1: as always, and we've got a bevvy of questions today,

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Speaker 1: some really really good ones. We're gonna start things off

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Speaker 1: with our pal Roman, and Roman says when judging first

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Speaker 1: round corners, any consideration of who pairs be best with

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Speaker 1: treyvon Diggs in terms of matchup options, for example, Digson's

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Speaker 1: or Tan Combo would seem like a lack of wheels

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Speaker 1: guy who can keep up with the burner types is

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Speaker 1: kind of what he was saying. So basically, who do

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Speaker 1: you want to pair with Treyvon Digson. Does that go

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Speaker 1: into specific consideration from a scouts perspective in front of

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Speaker 1: front office perspective? Brian, whenever you're looking at making a

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Speaker 1: pick at ten at the cornerback spot, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you have to evaluate who you were. You know, who

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Speaker 1: your roster is and the type of makeup, and you

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Speaker 1: know you have to determine dan Quinn's gonna come in

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Speaker 1: and say, you know, hey, I've got this type of

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Speaker 1: corner that can that can is capable of traveling. I've

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Speaker 1: got a slot corner. I've got a guy that you know,

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Speaker 1: I might have to hide a little bit here, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I think what you do is you just you

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Speaker 1: put those guys on the board and you evaluate the

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Speaker 1: best you can with the traits that the coaches have

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Speaker 1: asked you, Hey, I need this type of a player,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the whole idea is to get as

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Speaker 1: many of those guys as you can, so to basically say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to just because Diggs can't do this and

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Speaker 1: the slot can't do this, We're got to go get

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Speaker 1: this kind of guy. I think if you start to

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Speaker 1: think about that way, you have a disjointed group in

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Speaker 1: the secondary and I, but I think you want guys.

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Speaker 1: If everybody tends to have the same skill, you know,

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Speaker 1: then I feel like though that you can make more

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Speaker 1: of the matchup things that you want to do. So

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't just say, Okay, we're going to do this

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Speaker 1: because we have Diggs or this slot. I think they

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Speaker 1: do it because hey, this guy could play. This guy

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Speaker 1: could play, and this guy could play, and they're all

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Speaker 1: within our group of what we think the trade should be. Yeah, Brian,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I dug into my trusty little whenever

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Speaker 1: I poured this out. Just know, I'm digging into the notes.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading what I wrote down about Caleb Farley. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it changes the draft board at all. Like

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Speaker 1: right now at the top, I think like Caleb Farley

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Speaker 1: pass or ten. The second I think all those guys fit.

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Speaker 1: Farley is interesting just because if you look at dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn in the system, they normally don't have burners on

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Speaker 1: the outside. Typically their thing is length ball skills because

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Speaker 1: they're gonna press and bail and they're gonna run out

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Speaker 1: of there and do those things or whatever. And so

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Speaker 1: I think you do want to look at the tan.

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Speaker 1: I mean you would like to have someone in the

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Speaker 1: stable that can run around and do the slot stuff

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Speaker 1: and maybe match up with a speed guy. But I

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Speaker 1: think the big thing is you have to be a

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Speaker 1: great tackle and you have to have some length so

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Speaker 1: you can walk up and put your hands on people.

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Speaker 1: I think that is going to be their calling card.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we'll see. Because Al Harris is in

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Speaker 1: the secondary, maybe Al Harris can take those guys and

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Speaker 1: to teach him how to press and do some of

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Speaker 1: that stuff that he used to do in green Back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they took the Atlanta took the you know, everybody, depending

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Speaker 1: on what you thought about the Clemson corner last year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Atlanta was on that kid the whole time.

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Speaker 1: I mean people, yeah, people, they I mean they got him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had him way up on the board and you

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Speaker 1: know as one of their I mean I remember dealing

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Speaker 1: with those guys and I'm like, well, what did you like?

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Speaker 1: And there, you know everything, because I was trying to

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Speaker 1: would have taken ahead and I and I was wondering.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, Bucky, that's what they're saying. The

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Speaker 1: traits that they looked at like Okay, this kid can

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Speaker 1: do this. He could run, he could play press, he

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Speaker 1: could turn, you know all those things. So yeah, they

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Speaker 1: were they took a different style of corner than maybe

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Speaker 1: most people really thought about taking last year. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that you mentioned Bucky a moment ago about the

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Speaker 1: length I mean Caleb Barley six two hundred pounds and

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Speaker 1: maybe even a little bit less than that whenever the

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Speaker 1: way ends come around. But do you think the link

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Speaker 1: there is enough to get Dan Quinn excited at ten

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Speaker 1: enough to maybe say, hey, he does fit into this

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Speaker 1: system as kind of a bigger, longer corner even though

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Speaker 1: he does have all the measurables. Well, I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: certainly that is there. But the one thing Atlanta was

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Speaker 1: so different in Seattle, so you're trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: which one he is because Seattle never invested, never invested

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Speaker 1: in corners. They would find their guys down the line

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Speaker 1: and they would develop them. Some of that is they

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's a dB guy as a head coach, and

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Speaker 1: so he takes a fancy in developing those guys. They

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Speaker 1: put a lot of time and energy into developing in them.

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Speaker 1: Dan invested in corners at the top of the board,

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Speaker 1: and so I would think that he would probably want

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Speaker 1: a more refined product, and so maybe Farley in certain

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Speaker 1: and those guys, Jacon warn and those guys would fall

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Speaker 1: into that conversation because of the length. The length is important,

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Speaker 1: not only because of the press part of it, but

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Speaker 1: because down the field, when you're playing these wide receivers

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Speaker 1: in the fifty fifty balls, can they knock the balls

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Speaker 1: away when you have to make these contested plays And

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Speaker 1: so that plays a part of it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. But I do think you'll see the

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Speaker 1: six foot plus corners. I think that would be very

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Speaker 1: very much in vogue for the Cowboys going forward. My

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Speaker 1: dream of ASANTI Samuel Junior has died. Yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: might be in trouble done that. Yeah, And you don't

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Speaker 1: think they could They could get him later and then

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Speaker 1: develop them into it. Oh, he's gonna go somewhere, but

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Speaker 1: they're they're not gonna be able to get back around

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Speaker 1: to him. I don't think they are. I mean, Bucky's right,

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Speaker 1: this guy's gonna take He's gonna take tall. This is

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Speaker 1: Look at all the tall corners in this draft. The

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Speaker 1: guy's over six foot. Jasey Horne from South Carolina. Look

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Speaker 1: at every one of those guys six feet bigger, long

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Speaker 1: armed guys. I think that's the direction that the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are gonna go. I feel like that's that's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good standpoint. Now, moving on into our second question, Richmond

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Speaker 1: asked that I want to start with Dave on this one.

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Speaker 1: Is there any position that the Cowboys should not spend

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Speaker 1: a pick on? He's gonna he excludes fullback, kicker, and

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Speaker 1: is a position, why would it be that position? I'll

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Speaker 1: cheat a little bit. I mean, I'll say premium pick,

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Speaker 1: because if you're talking about the entire draft, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can draft whoever the hell you want to once

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Speaker 1: you get down to the six and seventh rounds. I

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Speaker 1: mean they did it with Ben d Nucci last year,

636
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Speaker 1: Like no nobody had heard of Ben da Nucci. Like

637
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Speaker 1: we we hadn't even heard of Ben da Nucci and

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Speaker 1: Burglar only. Yeah, seriously, So I do literally do whatever

639
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Speaker 1: you want once you get to the six and seventh rounds.

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Speaker 1: But it's fine. I mean, you know it's ironic because

641
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Speaker 1: I was one of the big Team forty brigger guys

642
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Speaker 1: last year. But unless you're Brian. I'll make this concession

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Speaker 1: for Brian. Unless you're forced into a situation where Kyle

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Speaker 1: Pitts is the only pick that makes sense. This team

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00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have any business drafting a pass catcher with a

646
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: premium pick first, second, or third round. I don't know

647
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: how you justify that with you know, Amari Cooper, Ceedee

648
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Lamb was your first round pick last year, you still

649
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: have a year of Michael Gallop, Blake Jarwin is under

650
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: contract for three more years and is coming back. Dalton

651
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: Schultz emerged as a reliable guy. I just don't know

652
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: how you do that unless you're really forced into a

653
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: situation where you don't have another choice, and I'll be

654
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, we don't like the window dress the board.

655
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: If Kyle Pitts is clearly that much better than everybody,

656
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: then you should probably take him. But if you can,

657
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: you gotta find a way to avoid that, whether it's

658
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: training down or you know, airing toward defense. I just

659
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do that this year. I

660
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: think if they make an offensive pick, guys, I think it.

661
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: If the guy's there, it's gonna be Slater, the offensive

662
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: tackle from Northwestern that's who I think if if you know,

663
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: if they're going to look at these defensive guys hard

664
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: and you know, now with Dan involved, I mean, I'll

665
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: see a guy that I the Ojulari from Georgia, and

666
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: I know they've got a couple defensive ends and stuff

667
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: like that. But if there's somebody that's sitting like at

668
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: fifteen then has a chance to maybe be at ten,

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00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I would I would take a look at that type

670
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: of a player there more than Pay or one of

671
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: those other guys. But to me, if they go offense,

672
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: if they go offense, again, my dreams of Pits I

673
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: think are gone. But I think that it would be

674
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Speaker 1: I think Slater would be that guy. I just that

675
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: that it just makes too much sense for them to

676
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: If they got if they got stuck and they said, okay,

677
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: just take the best player on the board, Slater is

678
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: going to be the best player on the board. I didn't.

679
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I didn't say you can't draft offense. I just said, no, no, no,

680
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I know. But I'm saying if they take an offensive guy,

681
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: if they take an offensive guy, I think it's you know, now, hell,

682
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: they might take a quarterback, but you know, if that

683
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: quarterback's there or so you know, you never know. It's

684
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: funny because the guy's name who's now going to be

685
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: back in play. And I know it's gonna drive JC crazy.

686
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: But I would not be surprised as if Gregory Rousseau

687
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: becomes a topic of interest only because this is he's

688
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: the same guy who saw something in Vic Beasley High

689
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: and Vic Beasley and those they have similar traits in

690
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: terms of the length and all the other stuff. So

691
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: Bucky Beasley was not very good though. Yeah, he wasn't

692
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: anything special, which killing everybody's vibe right now. No, no, no, no, no, no,

693
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: here here, here's why I'm gonna say the Gregor Russo

694
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: and the Vic Beasley thing. Vic Beasley when he's coming

695
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: out of clips and I wanted to say he had

696
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: thirty four or thirty five sacks he was up there

697
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: with von Miller and then the one year in Atlanta

698
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: when they popped when he had fifteen and a half. Yeah,

699
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of forced fumbles and all that other stuff

700
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: like traits, and he is a D line guy, and

701
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: you can never ignore the fact that he is a

702
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: D line guy and he's going to see he's gonna

703
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: see flashes he's gonna be captivated by flashes that we

704
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: may be like, ah, that's a throwaway, but the d

705
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: line coach is gonna be like, man, I know I

706
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: can get him to do X, Y and Z. I

707
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: see this developmental potential. So I'm just saying it opens

708
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: up some other stuff. You are opens up. You are

709
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: making me. You're giving me some Rod Marinelli flashbacks, and

710
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm not loving it right now. Hey, By the way,

711
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that thirty for thirty on

712
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: Rod in the draft and how you remember you remember

713
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: the way Rod used to walk into the war room

714
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: like every fricking pick, because somehow, like I'm just imagining

715
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: that all over again, like Dan just walking in there

716
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, we're taking the arts crossed, like pointing at

717
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: the board, you know, kind of give it the hand gestures. Yeah, yeah,

718
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: I can see that. I get. It's party to do.

719
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: It's party to do. That's the fun part. It's fun

720
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: part the coach when the coaches come in, Bucky, how

721
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: many times you sit in the war room and the

722
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: coaches walk in and you just want to just like

723
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: you just want to kind of throw in your mouth.

724
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: You just gotta oh, you know, something bad's about to happen,

725
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: something bad's about up here. And the coaches ring their

726
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: top ten, their top ten at a position, and you're like,

727
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: who what best? Don't order? I don't like it. I

728
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: don't like it that I like this guy, like this guy.

729
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: We're going We're going straight back into twenty seventeen, just

730
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: like we thought we would, right, everybody, all right? Well,

731
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: next question comes from Jeff Rice, and this is interesting

732
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: for all those aggy listeners out there. I know there's

733
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: a couple of them listening for sure, But do you

734
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: think Kelln maund would be a good developmental quarterback behind

735
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott maybe in the middle rounds of that draft?

736
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: Do you see any of the same traits as dad?

737
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: Brian will start with you really don't, really, don't, you know?

738
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Speaker 1: I just you know, I feel like though, to me,

739
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: Kelln Mound was a guy, and I and Dave and

740
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I sat at Kyle Field and watched the seven overtime

741
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: game and why you gotta bring that up? And I

742
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: was amazed. I was like, man, this guy's making throw

743
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: after throw after throw, and then all of a sudden

744
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: he has another year where And I thought that Jimbo

745
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: and you know it. Give Texas A and M a

746
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: lot of credit for the record, the games they won,

747
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: going to get a Bowl game victory like they did,

748
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I just don't see it with Kellen Mond. I just

749
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: don't see the processing, you know, I see the size

750
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: and things like that, but just overall, how you play

751
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: the you know, how you read, how do you react.

752
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: I just think there's just too much there to have

753
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: to deal with. So I would, I would. I would

754
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: focus on some some other guys. If you were talking

755
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: about backup developmental guys, Kellen Mond would not be one

756
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: of my guys that I would choose. Yeah, I would,

757
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: I would. I would concur I would agree that the

758
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: biggest surprise for me, it's dangerous, bucky, because I usually

759
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: suck at evaluating quarterbacks. But the biggest surprise for me

760
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: is seeing the success that Texas and M had with

761
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: him as a starting quarterback. I never would imagine that

762
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: this would have been a top ten, almost of top

763
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: five team with him at quarterback. He did some really

764
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: good things there, But I don't think. I don't see

765
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: any of the similar characteristics. I don't think he's a

766
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: tough or physical runner. I think he's okay as a

767
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: passer and playmaker in that regard. But I don't see

768
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: any of the stuff that I saw at Mississippi State

769
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: with Dak. I don't see Kellamnt having any of those trades.

770
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: This rule of thumb will probably bite me. That's like,

771
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: it's definitely not universal. But if I'm going to invest

772
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: something significant in a quarterback, I need to see him

773
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: lift his team, Like do you know he needs to

774
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: be the reason why they win or you know, he

775
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: needs to be the only thing going. You know, you

776
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: know Dak, those Mississippi State teams, you know, Mississippi State

777
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: puts a lot more talent in the NFL than they

778
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: used to, but they're still not Alabama and Dak. Anybody, right, nobody,

779
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, but Dak lifted them to highs that they

780
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: went ever on. Even you know, card L Jones, who

781
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: did not have a great NFL career, still you know,

782
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: he took over the College Football playoff when he got

783
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: his opportunity. And you know, I said the same thing

784
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones is like, if Daniel Jones is worth

785
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: a top ten pick, I should have seen more from

786
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: him at Duke. Even at Duke. I know Duke doesn't

787
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: have any talent, but if you're worth a top ten pick,

788
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: you should be capable of lifting duke to a high

789
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: that they weren't capable of. And I never once saw

790
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: that from Kellen Mond at A and M. Did you

791
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: think Patrick Mahomes took Texas Tech to New Heights? Patrick

792
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: Mahomes didn't take them to new heights, But holy crap,

793
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: was he amazing every time he got on the field.

794
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they were routinely scoring sixty seventy points as

795
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: terrible the Tech. The Tech basketball team is a top four,

796
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: a top you know, final four team. Every year, they

797
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: don't score as many points as Mahomes had to at Tech.

798
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: It was a it was crazy watching him play because

799
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: every week he was he knew he had to throw

800
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: five or six touchdowns every week. He knew that, you know,

801
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: And I think that there's some places that these quarterbacks

802
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: end up. It's unfortunate for them because they are you see. Yeah,

803
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the reason why the team even has a chance is

804
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: because of him, and that I think that's what Holmes,

805
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, what did with that with that program,

806
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: And that's kind of my and all credit to A

807
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: and M. They won eight games in a row. You know,

808
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: they might finish number two in the final polls. They

809
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: had a great season, but nobody, nobody on A and

810
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: M's schedule was like, watch out, we got mom this week.

811
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't know about this, Like there has to be

812
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: some wild factor to the quarterback, like you talked about

813
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes. He was the hardest evaluation for me because

814
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: I've never seen I've never seen a sandlot player go

815
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: to the league and have success where they refined their

816
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: game or whatever. With Kellen Matt, I don't know if

817
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: I ever watching. Look, they played Carolina in the Orange

818
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: Bowl and Carolina was depleted, and I didn't come away

819
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: from the game game being like, wow, Kelly Man was

820
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: the best player on the field. Like I was, like,

821
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: they got good running backs, they're real fast on defense,

822
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I didn't see enough wild or

823
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: whole type plays. And I think the way the game

824
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: is going, your quarterback better be able to deliver some

825
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: stuff because your offensive line can't block these guys that

826
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: are upfront, and so he has to be able to

827
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,479
Speaker 1: make some wild plays once twice three times a game

828
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: to be able to sustain the offense. So maybe that

829
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: question wasn't for the Aggies. Maybe it was against the

830
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: Aggies or for everybody who doesn't like the Aggies. I

831
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: guess I bet, I bet most Aggie fans agree with that. Yes,

832
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: if I yes, definitely have friends that would agree with that.

833
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: I think overall, Now, final questions, we're running out of

834
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: time for this segment. But our h asked what's easier

835
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: to get in round one versus Round two and round three? Cornerback,

836
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, defensive tackle. Where did those kind of fit

837
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: into those three slots. I'm gonna be biased. I'm gonna

838
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: say it's always easy to find corners because I think

839
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: depending on the system that you play or whatever, you

840
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: can manufacture a corner. I think offensive tackles you need

841
00:41:51,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: to take them early. Okay, Yeah, I think Buckie's absolutely right.

842
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: It depends. I mean, some of these corners are probably

843
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: initially were looked at his probably fifth round guys on

844
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: a lot of boards when these scouts went out, you know,

845
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: and started their process and now, uh, you know, for example,

846
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the kid, you know, Tyson Campbell from

847
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: from Georgia, probably a fourth round guy that might have

848
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: elevated himself as up into the thing job from Alabama,

849
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some guys that are kind of that

850
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: you look at and you're thinking, well, man, they started

851
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: at this level, now they're up. I just think that

852
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: the corner spot is a little bit of a deeper thing.

853
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Molden is another kid from Washington. You know, there's there's

854
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: quarners on these It's going to be on this board

855
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: that you know, if you miss in that first round,

856
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: you know you get the second, the third round. I

857
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: think that position is going to run a little bit

858
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: deeper for you to be able to grab. If you

859
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about and we've seen a draft with the

860
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: last couple of years, offensive tackles have actually been pretty good.

861
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: You know, this looks like another class. It has that

862
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: same kind of thing. So I'm I'm but I'm with Bucky.

863
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: I think I could I could wait on corners, grant

864
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: those offensive lineman first when you can. I was about this.

865
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I don't think this

866
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: class is as good as last year's with Worfs and

867
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: Beckton and those guys. But you know, everybody's been so

868
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: focused on penet Sewell and Rashaan Slater. I know, you know,

869
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: Christian Derrisau out of good. Yeah, but then shoot the

870
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: Alabama guy Alex Leatherwood looks like he looks like a

871
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: beast too. It's supposed to be a top fifteen pick

872
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: last year before you returned back to Alabama. This looks

873
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: like another class where you know, and we know how,

874
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: we know how valuable the position is, and we know

875
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: how hard it is to find good ones. It's a

876
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: lot like quarterback where I think, you know, maybe if

877
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: they're not even purely the best players on the board,

878
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: you can talk me into thinking, you know, three to

879
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: five of these guys go in the top twenty for sure. Man,

880
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a run on I think

881
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: winning doubt. You take an offensive offensive tackle, and the

882
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: way the game is going, you can't even separate a

883
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: right tackle and left tackle. Both guys need to be

884
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: able to dance on the on the perimeter because teams

885
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: are flipping what they're doing with their pass rushes and

886
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: putting them on that side. To take advantage of it,

887
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: I think you have to be able to protect on

888
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: the edges and put the running game and all those things.

889
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: So I think Dolphins tackles are very, very valuable. Yeah,

890
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: whenever you look at Chase Young on the other side

891
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: of the division that you're going to have to go

892
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: up against for the next couple of years. Yeah, I don't.

893
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not butchering this kid's name. But you

894
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: talk about tackles. I watched the kid that Ikenburg from

895
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dame uh and then the tackle Leah Mikelberg. I

896
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: think I'm saying it right. If not, don't, but I'll

897
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: tell you this, though, there's some there's some guys that

898
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: you talk the kid at Texas, I think there's some

899
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: tackles in this saying Dave's right, It's not probably the

900
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: level that we saw last year, but man, there's some

901
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: kids that could play, and you know, you plug them

902
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: in and they'll they'll be just fine. Though the way

903
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: you there's there's so many of these kids now that

904
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: they're in this passing past mode, pass mode, pass mode,

905
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you watch the block

906
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: and stuff and they're like, man, they get it, you know,

907
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: and then when they watch him in the run game,

908
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: they finish. So you know, it's it's a pretty good

909
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: group to evaluate right now. Yeah, Samuel Cosme's up there

910
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: in the first round conversation the kid out of Texas,

911
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: like you said, Brian, And then about Leam Eikenberg, got

912
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: his name right, He's a senior Bowl guy. And there's

913
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: another Senior Bowl guy. I'm really excited to look at

914
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: Dylan Redunds. It might be his name. He's out of

915
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: North Dakota State, and I mean, I think he's going

916
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: to be something interesting, one of those kind of FCS

917
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: products that might be talked about in the early couple

918
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: of rounds. So there's a couple of guys that are

919
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: going to be a mobile at the offensive tackle spot

920
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: that are very intriguing. Okay, so we're gonna take this

921
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,279
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922
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,239
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923
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,879
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924
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925
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926
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927
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00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Bucky Brooks and David Hellman, wrapping up

964
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965
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969
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970
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,080
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971
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,440
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972
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,400
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973
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: the year and the dot waiver. They were number one

974
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: the entire way. But based on kind of some of

975
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: the conversations that we had last week, gentlemen, and we

976
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of talked about it a little bit on this show.

977
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: We really previewed the game on the Thursday show. But

978
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: who up their stock because there were scouts or even

979
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: looking at what Dave Bluegler said last week, he said

980
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: that scouts do put these big games into consideration because

981
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: it's the big stage, it's against the best competition. There's

982
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: a lot that goes into it. But I want to

983
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: know who last night Bucky raised their stock from either

984
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: side of the football Alabama or Ohio State. Well, I mean,

985
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: I think it's easy. DeVante Smith put on He put

986
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: on an absolute show. And I think the thing that

987
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: you like about him is he's an outstanding route runner.

988
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: He has great hands, he does a great job of

989
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: creating separation. I think what Sark was able to do

990
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: was he was able to when the coaches look at it.

991
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: He was able to give them a blueprint for the

992
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: imagination that you can use in a creativity that you

993
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: can use to really get him open. My biggest thing

994
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: has been his size and how are you going to

995
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: help him kind of deal with some of the physicality

996
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: and stuff that he'll face when lining up. But the

997
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: way that they used him last night, I think you

998
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: helped himself. You know, even though he went off the

999
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: game with an injury, the fact that he can do that,

1000
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: and I made the point on Twitter, the fact that

1001
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: he can return punts. Some of the questions about toughness

1002
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: and courage they go away because the punk return thing

1003
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: solves that and eliminates that for a lot of scouts

1004
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: and coaches. The fake jet motion that they ran with

1005
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: him in the first or second quarter was disgusting, Like

1006
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: that was that was so much fun? Um No, that's

1007
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: my biggest So two names jump out to me. One

1008
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: is obviously DeVante Smith, and I'm devastated because, you know,

1009
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: maybe at the start of the night, I was like, oh,

1010
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: maybe DeVante Smith falls to ten and the Cowboys can

1011
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: use him as trade bait. He ain't fallen to tend yea.

1012
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: He played on the he played on his home field

1013
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: for the draft. He played last night, he was one

1014
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: of my way. Yeah, I mean, Miami makes a lot

1015
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: of sense. Philadelphia makes a lot of sense unfortunately. So

1016
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: that's the big one. And then I think we talked

1017
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: about him at the top, but Christian Barmore was all

1018
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: over the damn place and in a draft that doesn't

1019
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: have a premier defensive tackle. If he wasn't a first

1020
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: round pick before last night, I think he definitely is now. Yeah,

1021
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to take a little bit of

1022
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: a different approach, and you know, I the quarterback position.

1023
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: I was laughing that I don't evaluate very well. But

1024
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: I may not hit on a couple here lately. I

1025
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: was right about Josh Allen. I'm patting myself on the

1026
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: back because I'm usually wrong, but as you should. Yeah,

1027
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you this though, Matt Jones in a

1028
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: big time game, and you know, Ohio State didn't have

1029
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: their big time defense. I mean there was some struggles

1030
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: there with it, but the way he commanded the offense,

1031
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: the way he ran it, the way, you know, other

1032
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: than the sack and the fumble and stuff like that,

1033
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: the way he was able to bounce back. I think

1034
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe if you had some question is

1035
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: about him going in last night, he answered, I mean

1036
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: that the touch, the accuracy. Yeah, he plays with great players.

1037
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: He has a nice offensive line. But you know, you've

1038
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: got to make those throws. You've got to be able

1039
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: to read make the throws half touch body type wise,

1040
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: he looks like a nineteen seventies quarterback. You know what

1041
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's not what we're used to see him.

1042
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: But I think as far as a guy helping himself

1043
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: with how he played and how he handled the big stage,

1044
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: I think some people are going to consider him on

1045
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: the back end of the draft, possibly at the end

1046
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: of the first round of this draft. So and then

1047
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: also to the tackle, you know, with Leatherwood, I you know,

1048
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: you watch him, He's just got such balance. He's a

1049
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: big guy. He moves easily. You know, again when you

1050
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: start talking about these offensive tackles, and you know, coming

1051
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: out last year, you know he probably been right in

1052
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: the mix. But I think he's even inched himself up

1053
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: the board a little bit more. Depending on who you like.

1054
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: You like the Virginia Tech kid, you know, you like Northwestern?

1055
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: Who do you really like, I think he's kind of

1056
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: put himself in the conversation with the toughness he's shown,

1057
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: the athletic ability and the size that he played with

1058
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: last night. You know, it's interesting, Brian, I'm gonna mention this.

1059
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: I thought maybe one of you guys mentioned Naja Harris. Yeah,

1060
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: I think I think Naja Harris the last few games,

1061
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: I think he has helped himself more than anybody else,

1062
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: and not just because of the running ability. He is

1063
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: an outstanding pass catcher, like and he can run rouse

1064
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: and so if we're talking about a position that people

1065
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: don't necessarily like to invest in, I'm all about investing

1066
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: in a big guy that can run inside and also

1067
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: make things happen in the passing game. I think for me,

1068
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: he has separated himself from Travis Etienne and some of

1069
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: the other running backs that people have talked about being

1070
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: first round picks. What popped him as well, Bucky. I

1071
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: like his size too, I mean six two two thirty

1072
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: compared to Aten who is five ten two ten, and

1073
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: the fact that he can run as well as he can,

1074
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: the way he makes a man messy. He I mean,

1075
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: even last night, you look at the way that he

1076
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: just had tacklers bounce off of him or just cut

1077
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: back inside. The one play where he was kind of

1078
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: out in the flats and he caught the ball, kind

1079
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: of bobbled a little bit, and then he took it

1080
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: back in and then dove into the end zone. I

1081
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: was impressed by that, and that athleticism is there from

1082
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Naja Harris to the point where I was. I mean,

1083
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: I was really impressed with what he brought to the table. Now,

1084
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: one thing I did meant or didn't notice just a

1085
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: second ago, is the fact that all of the names

1086
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: outside of Barmore were on the offensive side of the football.

1087
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Was there anybody that hurt their stock last night defensively?

1088
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: One that comes to mind. One name that comes to

1089
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: mind might have been Sean Wade. But also, I mean,

1090
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: you look at Dylan Moses, the linebacker from Alabama. I

1091
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily impressed with what he brought to the table

1092
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: last night. Curtan, he played well, but overall, I mean,

1093
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: it was kind of a whole home night from Patrick Certan.

1094
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: But anybody that sticks out from a defensive standpoint, I

1095
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: wonder if teams are gonna look at Wade as a safety,

1096
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I was just you know, when

1097
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: you talk about how do you handle things off the line,

1098
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, how do you yourself in position? I mean,

1099
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: the guy had a lot of questions about him coming

1100
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: into the game, and man, you saw not that Alabama

1101
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: receivers are an easy cover by any means. You know,

1102
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: a waddle was compromised last night. He did the best

1103
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: he could to play. But I mean, you look at Wade.

1104
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: I wonder, I really wonder. I was proud to see him,

1105
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: like early in the game come up make a play

1106
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: down on the goal line where he read it, got

1107
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: up there, got a tackle for loss, and I thought, man,

1108
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: maybe he is a safety. Maybe he's not a cornerback here.

1109
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: But I saw some problems there with some of the

1110
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: separation and how he played on the line. It kind

1111
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: of made me feel like, Okay, I feel like I

1112
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: evaluated this guy right going in that I don't have

1113
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: him as one of those surefire, top flight guys. If

1114
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: someone takes him, I think they're gonna make him a

1115
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: safety myself, safety or nickel. I think he has to

1116
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: play in the slot. I think the reason why he's

1117
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: more effective in the slot is you rarely faced the

1118
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: vertical threats in the slot like that, and you always

1119
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: have the event energy being able to play to your

1120
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: help either safety in the post or someone over the

1121
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: middle of the field. I think one, don't call out

1122
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith for say that's where I want and then

1123
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: let DeVante Smith go for two fifteen and in the

1124
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: first half like that is a bad look, Like that

1125
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: is something that they might know. So I'm like, yeah,

1126
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm mad at him for not evaluating himself and knowing

1127
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: that you don't want to take on that matchup like that.

1128
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: I got one, and so to two thoughts. Thinking about

1129
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: the linebackers. I was not very high on Dylan Moses

1130
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: going into this game. He's the name that you know,

1131
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: he's probably the biggest name among defenders in this game,

1132
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: maybe a top fifteen pick, and last year, I mean

1133
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: in his defense, you know, he's coming off a major

1134
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: knee injury. I think he was quoted earlier this season

1135
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: is saying he doesn't feel all the way right, and

1136
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, But like just watching him,

1137
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see the instincts and

1138
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: I don't see the athleticism that would make me want

1139
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: to draft him very highly on the opposite side. I

1140
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: knew the name going into this game, but I didn't

1141
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: know a ton about Baron Browning for Ohio State, and

1142
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: I thought I thought he played a great game. Obviously

1143
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: he had the strip sack on mac Jones, but also

1144
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: just all night, I felt like he was crashing down

1145
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: setting the edge. He forced Nagie Harris to cut back

1146
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: half a dozen times when he didn't want to, just

1147
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: redirecting plays and just generally seem to be in position

1148
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: to make tackles. That's That's what I'm looking for, is like,

1149
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend a top ten pick on

1150
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: a linebacker, but if you tell me I could get

1151
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: Baron Browning in the second round, let's go. I don't

1152
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: know if that's realistic, but I got excited thinking about

1153
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: the possibility. The one thing you know how to know

1154
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: about those Alabama linebackers, when you get through their complete

1155
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: medical history to help, you would swear they're my age,

1156
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: you know. And that's tough. Man. It's tough on those

1157
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: kids because they're in so many collisions during the season

1158
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: and they get so banged up. But yeah, I mean,

1159
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: I do like what you're saying about Browning. I thought

1160
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: that you know, he was the one guy defensively in

1161
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 1: Ohio State was they didn't they didn't get they didn't

1162
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: show up. I mean they got, not that they didn't

1163
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: show up, but they just did not have the horses

1164
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: to run that race. And Browning at least gave him

1165
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: a chance. And some of those some of those plays,

1166
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: I like Browning a lot. I mean, first off, I've

1167
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: seen him play since he was in high school, the

1168
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: Pride of Kennadale High School over near Fort Worth. But

1169
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: I like what he brings to the table in terms

1170
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: of a speed perspective and somebody who could, like you said,

1171
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: read an offense. And that's what I saw last night, Dave.

1172
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: I was right there with you and the fact that

1173
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: he had it and Dylan Moses didn't and that was

1174
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of the big question for me. Okay, So final

1175
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: couple questions here before we wrap things up. How does

1176
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: this wide receiver class compare to that one of last year?

1177
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: And with Smith and even Waddle if he's healthy and

1178
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: back ready to go, which we assume he will be.

1179
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: But you've got Jamar Chase, you've got Bateman, you've got

1180
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: Marshall Junior out of LU. Compared to the guys like Cdlam,

1181
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, Jerry Judy, and Ruggs that we're out of

1182
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: last year's class, Bucky, do you think that this class

1183
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: has any chance to stand up to the one from

1184
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: a year ago? Yeah, I think. I think the classes

1185
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: that we'll see going forward will always be loaded with

1186
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: pass catchers. I think what we've seen is we've seen

1187
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: the impact that seven on seven has had. We're getting

1188
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: a more polished version of wide receivers in the NFL

1189
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: now more than ever. And the other thing that has

1190
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: happened with the stuff that's happened in the lower ranks,

1191
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: we're seeing better athletes at wide receiver and lesser athletes

1192
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: at dB because the top three or four athletes the

1193
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: high school coaches taking them and putting them at wide receiver,

1194
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: and so the guys who are left at dB are

1195
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: athletes four or five and six, And so that's the

1196
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: thing that we have to consider. But Yeah, the athletes

1197
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: are outstanding. They're coming in ready to play, and I

1198
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: think this class would be like the last class where

1199
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: not only in the first round, but in the second,

1200
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: third round we'll see guys that pop in and have

1201
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: immediate impact. Yeah, when I'm looking forward to seeing is

1202
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: the old crusties. Will they kill Will they kill Smith

1203
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: because of the weight? Will they kill because of the

1204
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: lack of bulk? And will they fall in love with cha?

1205
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: Chase has become a kind of a forgotten guy in

1206
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: these wide receiver thoughts, and going into the season, that

1207
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: was your top guy and now all of a sudden

1208
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: you've got guys that have played during the season, Waddle

1209
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: and Smith and those guys, and you know, now, could

1210
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: Chase make up that ground? I hope that people don't forget?

1211
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: But man, you look at him physically, you know, Crusty's

1212
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: love though that look they love what you know that

1213
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: that looks like a wide receiver? You know? But will

1214
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: Smith be able to maintain that level? The tape is tremendous,

1215
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: But will Crusty say, man, but he's only one hundred

1216
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: and seventy pounds. He's one hundred and seventy pounds, you

1217
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: know that. I just wonder if that I would if

1218
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: if there's a real gap or or now are we

1219
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: on an even playing field with these two guys in

1220
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: a world where Tyree Hill is doing what he's doing? Yeah,

1221
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think Jamar Chase is gonna sorry,

1222
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: not Jamar Chase. DeVante Smith is gonna fall too far.

1223
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: And it turns out sitting out might have been a

1224
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: great decision on Jamar's part. I just I don't you know,

1225
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: who knows what his stock would look like if he

1226
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: had played the whole season on that LSU team. Marshall

1227
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: wasn't terrible. We talked about more, wasn't yeah, yeah, but

1228
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: Marshall does the only think LSU had, Yeah, but catching

1229
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: ten eleven balls every time. He also was like, after

1230
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: like seven or eight games, he was like, you know what,

1231
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: enough of this. I don't want to do this anymore.

1232
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: But no, I mean this, this receiver class is gross

1233
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: in a good way. Like I'm I'm looking at the

1234
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: list right now, like you get ten or eleven or

1235
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: twelve names deep, like Elijah Moore out of Old miss Yeah, hell,

1236
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: hell of a player, Tyland Wallace at Oklahoma State, awesome

1237
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and that you know, I don't even to

1238
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: know what to do with Cadarius Tony. He's I mean,

1239
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: somebody's well exactly, somebody's gonna draft him. Him and him

1240
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: and Rondel Moore out of Purdue are gonna get drafted

1241
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: on athleticism alone, or what a watch too. I'll tell

1242
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: you this, it's gonna be It's gonna be exciting for sure.

1243
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: And keep an eye a bateman from Minnesota too, that's another.

1244
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: Don't forget, don't forget, don't forget a barbershot baman. Absolutely,

1245
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: And that's why I think. You know, we always talk

1246
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: about running backs and not investing in a first round

1247
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: running back. Brian knows in Green Bay, we didn't draft

1248
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the first round because you always can

1249
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: find the guy in the second and third round, and

1250
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: you just rated off a list of ten guys. Why

1251
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: would I really invest in a first round wide receiver

1252
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: when I knew I can find someone at the top

1253
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: of the second round that can give me maybe comfortable value. Yeah,

1254
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: unless it's Smith from Alabama. Then you invest in and

1255
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: you don't get fired. You don't have to do the

1256
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: draft show or Kyle Bits figure it out and working

1257
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: with it from there. Getting a pass catcher in the

1258
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: top ten, that's fine too. I just can't wait till

1259
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: for our future. Dallas Cowboy former North Texas alum Jayalen

1260
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: Gardens picked in the fifth round by the Dallas Cowboys

1261
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: and he ends up going for a thousand yards next year.

1262
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: That's my that's my one pipe dream for the Cowboys overall. Now,

1263
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: don't that's gonna do it? For us here on the

1264
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot dot Com Draft Show. I'm dropping the

1265
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: mic on you, Dave, final time or excuse me not

1266
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: the final time. When we come back on Thursday, ten am,

1267
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: it'll be Dame Bruegler, It'll be Jeff Kavanaugh and Katie

1268
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner there as well, So be sure to join

1269
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: us on Thursday at ten am is of course the

1270
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: start time for the Draft Show. But for Brian brought us,

1271
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Speaker 1: for David Hellman, and for Bucky Brooks, I'm Kyle Yoman

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