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Speaker 2: There were literally hundreds of victims.

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Speaker 3: It makes me sick, gag.

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Speaker 2: Hundreds of young girls who had been traffic by Epstein

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Speaker 3: Her name is like dirt in my mouth. There is

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Speaker 3: no missed lies. I never heard that lies.

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Speaker 4: I never imagined it lies.

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Speaker 3: There they are on their private plane. You know what

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Speaker 5: This Epstein story is never going to end.

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Speaker 3: People connected to this case or dropping dead light flies.

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Speaker 6: He was a master manipulator.

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Speaker 1: He's having dinner with Satan tonight.

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Speaker 7: What you're going to see is a lot of flight logs,

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Speaker 7: a lot of names, a lot of information.

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Speaker 3: But it's pretty sick what.

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Speaker 2: That man did.

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Speaker 7: A source had told me where the documents were being kept,

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Speaker 7: So we got them all by, hopefully all of them.

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Speaker 3: Friday at eight am.

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Speaker 7: Thousands of pages of documents. I have the FBI going

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Speaker 7: through them. Director Patel is going to get us a

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Speaker 3: That is from our friends at Fox News.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is a very special guest Spencer couven

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Speaker 1: chief legal officer, Gold Law, who has represented nine Epstein victims.

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Speaker 1: Nine nine now prosecuted a lot of cases, and when

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Speaker 1: I would have three or four victims, that would be

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Speaker 2: I've been representing victims going back to the original prosecution

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Speaker 2: They involve high profile individuals in the business community, high

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Speaker 1: Dylan Howard is with US investigative journalists and author of

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Speaker 1: Epstein Dead.

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Speaker 3: Men Tell No Tales.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious as to why the documents are not

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Speaker 3: Gun to me.

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Speaker 1: We were told the documents would be released. Now we're

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Speaker 8: No, Natal, I'm not suggested see an afarious link between

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Speaker 8: But I think that obscures somewhat the real crux of

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Speaker 8: And we know that through various motions that have been

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Speaker 9: This case will continue on against anyone who was complicit

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Speaker 10: You said, take off your clothes. I had these little

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Speaker 1: That's one my friends at Miami Harold and ITV News

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Speaker 1: and Lifetime, Dylan Howard. That's what this case is all about,

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Speaker 1: the trafficking and exploitation of what we now believe to

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Speaker 8: At the very heart of this lies a very deep

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Speaker 8: and disturbing question. If Jeffrey Epstein was operating a child

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Speaker 1: We have proof that Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking ring

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about proof that girls as young as twelve

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Speaker 1: of an incredible book called Listen to This, The Spider

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Speaker 1: inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Epstein wasn't just finding teen girls in

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Speaker 3: Wow, what a coincidink. You have uncovered evidence that this

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Speaker 11: Explain that's absolutely correct, Nancy, And I'm hoping that if

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Speaker 1: I just want to tell you something. You're actually making

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Speaker 1: That's not punishment, absolutely right, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: It was sickening in terms of of that slap on

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Speaker 1: Little girls, and I believe you can prove this. Little

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Speaker 1: There are witnesses that see the little girls getting off

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Speaker 1: not just to a steady string. There are thousands of victims,

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Speaker 11: And the American public and the victims, over a thousand

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Speaker 11: He made the girls call him the godfather. He had

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Speaker 1: In the last hour to start reversal from the White House,

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Speaker 3: May Epstein rot in Hell.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to start, of course, the news of the

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Speaker 1: and they are volume us. The twenty thousand documents we've

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Speaker 3: Percentage of what there is.

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Speaker 1: Just imagine it goes bay years and years and years

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Speaker 1: and Allen, I'm very curious as to why this has

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Speaker 3: From the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: We've gotten conflicting statements. We've been told by BONDI they're

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Speaker 1: sitting right here on my desk, I've got the client list.

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Speaker 12: Alan, Well, there is a list, a list of FBI

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Speaker 13: And there is such a list.

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Speaker 14: I've seen it, and the names have been redacted, some

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Speaker 14: But there is such a list. There's no Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 13: He didn't have a.

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Speaker 12: Little book in which he said, this woman is going

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Speaker 12: go here or there. There's no such list like that.

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Speaker 12: But the FBI does have names that they're suppressing. And

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Speaker 13: And I think that your program, other programs have the

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Speaker 13: public has the right to see that, let's unseal these depositions.

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Speaker 13: But right now, nobody benefits from suppression. And that's why

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Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen allan, Now,

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Speaker 13: I think there's so much public pressure and there's so

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Speaker 12: It will exculpate innocent people like me, It will incumbate

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Speaker 13: And I think in the end the truth will prevail.

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Speaker 16: The light has been.

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Speaker 13: Treated unfairly for over five years now.

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Speaker 2: If you looked up the scapegoat in the dictionary, her

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Speaker 11: She's telling the truth.

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Speaker 8: She's got no reason to lie at that point, and

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Speaker 17: Keep telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: Thank you probably have today.

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Speaker 3: What is he saying? That's for our friends at the

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's Klaine Maxwell's defense lawyer saying, if you

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Speaker 1: everyone was angry Epstein didn't go to trial.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean she's innocent. Jelainne Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the key to the client list, as we call

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Speaker 1: it euphemistically, young girls that were lured by Julaine Maxwell

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Speaker 1: say she is sinister, that she's worse than Epstein himself.

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Speaker 1: The federal government also calls her quote crafty listen.

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Speaker 18: Federal prosecutors wrote in Galaine Maxwell's sentencing memorandum that the

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Speaker 18: They noted several instances of Maxwell lying under oath. In

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Speaker 18: for bail. Prosecutors wrote, in short, the defendant decides when

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Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is, who do you think Epsen's

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Speaker 3: No, he's with Jelaine.

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Speaker 1: Maxwell, Julaine Maxwell, his hinch person, his bills, Abob has

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear one right off the top.

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Speaker 19: So, there's been a lot of conversations about whether mister

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Speaker 19: Epstein maintained like a list of people, like a book of.

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Speaker 20: Famous people that he knew.

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Speaker 19: Like a it's called a black book, or a.

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Speaker 8: Client list or a list.

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Speaker 4: Did you know of the existence of any such list.

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Speaker 4: There is no list. We'll start with that.

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Speaker 21: The genesis of that story I can actually trace for

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Speaker 4: First, you know to be sure there is no list.

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Speaker 4: There's no client list, nothing like that. No, there's nothing.

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Speaker 4: You know that. I'm obviously.

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Speaker 2: During the time that you were with.

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Speaker 20: Mister Epstein, and even in the two thousands when you

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Speaker 20: were around less frequently, you never observed or univer saw

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Speaker 21: Absolutely no, there is no list. There is no I'm

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Speaker 21: not aware of any blackmail. I never heard, I never

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Speaker 4: That Alfredo has.

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Speaker 21: It then morphs into something that Alfredo took, a book

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Speaker 21: and then it moved into the Southern District of New

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Speaker 21: York as a combination list of Mina and Epstein's.

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Speaker 4: That is.

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Speaker 21: A metamorphosis through documents that you can trace.

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Speaker 1: What in the world is she trying to say, joining

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Speaker 1: me Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney Sumner, She's talking about

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Speaker 1: someone named Alfredo Rodriguez. And isn't that Epstein's butler. Yes,

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Speaker 1: of course he had a butler. Explain what she's saying,

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 16: Here she's saying that the purported client list that everyone

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Speaker 16: But to get Blanche up to speed on where exactly

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Speaker 16: And so what they claimed, what this lawyer claimed to

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Speaker 16: that the butler went through and apparently circled or marked

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Speaker 1: Okay, sounds like evidence to me. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, Gallain Maxwell, in her effort to

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Speaker 3: Let's hear what else she has to say.

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Speaker 22: Maxwell denies every aspect of Virginia Geffray's victimization, says she

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Speaker 22: never recruited messuses. Maxwell insists Jeffrey is lying about this

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Speaker 22: her mom's eightieth birthday, her home in London was not

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Speaker 20: When you were just asked about the photo, you said

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Speaker 4: I believe it's literally a fake Good Why do you

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Speaker 21: Well, okay, but the outfit I'm wearing is the outfit

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Speaker 20: So but you don't have any Do you dispute that

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Speaker 4: Do you know whether they've met each other? I do

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Speaker 20: So you not only so you think the photographs fake,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely let's listen to Prince Andrew speaking to the BBC.

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Speaker 23: I don't believe it's a picture of me in London

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Speaker 4: That's what I.

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Speaker 23: Would describe is those are my traveling clothes.

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 23: But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position,

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Speaker 4: In Galln's height.

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Speaker 1: That's through our friends that maybe saying that is exactly

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Speaker 24: Photo was real. Despite Gallaine Maxwell's insistence the photo of her,

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Speaker 1: It's not just about a client list, a little black book,

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Speaker 1: or videos. It's about a potential murder. Yes of Epstein.

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Speaker 1: You may not care about his life, but don't you

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic Jacksonville State University, author of

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Speaker 1: you and I both say that you know, if I

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Speaker 3: He was murdered. What is he number four or five.

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Speaker 1: Connected to this case that has committed or had an

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Speaker 3: As the files indicate that there are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this goes back for decades, and you get

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Speaker 1: who else may have committed or died that could have testified? Yes,

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 17: Because, well, first off, the Emmy in New York made

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Speaker 1: When you say a soft hanging, are you talking about

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Speaker 17: Most people associate say it man with old judicial hangings

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Speaker 17: That's why it generally is not fractured in a hanging.

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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight is a very special guest, Mark Epstein.

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Speaker 1: This is the biological brother of Jeffrey Epstein, now dead.

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Speaker 1: Mister Epstein, thank you for.

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Speaker 3: Being with us.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, Mark, if I may call you that. Sure,

446
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Speaker 1: you have been disturbed from day one about the claim

447
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: your brother, Jeffrey Epstein committed to you say that did

448
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Speaker 1: not happen.

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Speaker 15: Why when I first heard that Jeffrey was found dead

450
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 15: from the parent suicide, I heard it on CNN. The

451
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Speaker 15: government didn't notify me as they claimed. I heard it

452
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Speaker 15: on CNN. And at first I had no reason to

453
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 15: doubt that, because, you know, I knew he was in jail,

454
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Speaker 15: he was potentially facing a very long term. I knew

455
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Speaker 15: he wouldn't want to live like that. He didn't have

456
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Speaker 15: any children to worry about. Our parents are gone, and

457
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Speaker 15: he wouldn't have to worry about me. So there was

458
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Speaker 15: no reason to doubt that. But then the next day,

459
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Speaker 15: the next morning, I had to I had to identify

460
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Speaker 15: his body because I'm the next of kin, and they

461
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Speaker 15: did the autopsy, and so far, you know the same thing.

462
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Speaker 15: I just assumed it was a suicide. But then the

463
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Speaker 15: city pathologist who did of the autopsy, with Michael Bottom,

464
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Speaker 15: there's forensic pathologists on my behalf of witnessing this. They

465
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Speaker 15: both came out of the autopsy room and they said

466
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Speaker 15: they couldn't call it a suicide because it looked too

467
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Speaker 15: much like a homicide. And then a few days later,

468
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Speaker 15: Barbara Sampson, who was the chief medical examiner. She declares

469
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Speaker 15: it was a suicide. And let's be clear, Barbara Sampson

470
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Speaker 15: never saw the body. She wasn't at the autopsy, and

471
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Speaker 15: after the autopsy was over that day, we blamed the body,

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Speaker 15: so she never saw it. Also a few days after

473
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Speaker 15: the death, Bill Barr, an Attorney General, came out publicly

474
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Speaker 15: and stated that he saw the video and he saw

475
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Speaker 15: that nobody went in or out of the tier, and

476
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Speaker 15: that convinced him it was a suicide. And when I

477
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 15: heard that, I thought, this is ridiculous to assume that

478
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Speaker 15: it was a suicide because nobody went in or out

479
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Speaker 15: when there were twelve other prisoners on that tier. I

480
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Speaker 15: would not have to go in or out of that

481
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Speaker 15: door if they were going to kill somebody on the tier.

482
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Speaker 15: And I was told that should doors were left unlocked

483
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Speaker 15: that night, And I was also told by somebody who

484
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Speaker 15: was familiar with the prison that they weren't surprised to

485
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Speaker 15: hear that. And also to think that somebody could get

486
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Speaker 15: to Jeffrey's tier, go inside, you kill somebody, and then

487
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Speaker 15: leave completely undetected. It's just like a stupid statement that

488
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Speaker 15: you know, that's not what you're based on. We can't

489
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Speaker 15: find out who the other prisoners on that tier were,

490
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Speaker 15: when did they get there, and where are they now.

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Speaker 15: There's been no interviews of all the prisoners on the tier,

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Speaker 15: which would normally be done in a situation like that.

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Speaker 15: There's no record of that. And then also the night

494
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Speaker 15: when they locked up, but we have there as a

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Speaker 15: record of you know, we know about the two gods

496
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Speaker 15: that got in trouble, you know, because they weren't doing

497
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Speaker 15: the rounds, you know, Toby Noel and Michael Thomas. No

498
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 15: Michael Thomas came on shift in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 15: so he wasn't there when they locked up the tier.

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Speaker 15: And there's never any there's never ever just one guard there.

501
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Speaker 15: On the reports, there's mentioned of an unnamed guard number

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Speaker 15: one and an unnamed guard number two. There are questions

503
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Speaker 15: who are they and why are they unnamed? Are they

504
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Speaker 15: actual prison guards? Could they have been put there to,

505
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Speaker 15: you know, to kill somebody and then they disappeared into

506
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Speaker 15: ether without any record of who they are. It's all

507
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Speaker 15: these unanswered questions that in a normal wear on his face,

508
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 15: even if it was a suicide, these questions would not

509
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Speaker 15: be kept secrets.

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Speaker 1: Mister Cooben joining US Chief Legal Officer gold to Law,

511
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: who has represented nine and counting Epstein victims. Are any

512
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: of your clients worried about how people connected to this

513
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: case or dropping dead light flies?

514
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: First of all, the moment he was re arrested in

515
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: New York when his plane landed, or New Jersey at

516
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: that moment, I did an interview shortly thereafter, advising the

517
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: general public he was never making it out alive, and

518
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, prophetically he didn't. I was one of the

519
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: first ones that said he wouldn't make it out alive,

520
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: and frankly, I continue to be a disbeliever in the

521
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: story that's been populated by the FEDS and the Department

522
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: of Justice. There are just way too many connections here.

523
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Speaker 2: I can also tell you exclusively because I don't know

524
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: that I've ever talked about this before, but shortly after

525
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: he passed in jail, I received a call from one

526
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Speaker 2: of the guards at the facility who had retired. This

527
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: is somebody that wasn't working there at the time, but

528
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: was able to speak with me on authority because he

529
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: had worked there and said, there is no way that

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Speaker 2: someone within that type of a facility could have the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to commit suicide. This is the most secure, one

532
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Speaker 2: of the most secure prisons we have in the United States.

533
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: It is a prison within a prison within a prison.

534
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: It is three levels of high security, constantly monitored. And

535
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable to him that somebody in there would

536
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: potentially be able to commit suicide. And then look at

537
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: the photographs. This is a gentleman that was on suicide

538
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: Watch just a few weeks prior, and yet they give

539
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: him sheets, and they give him pill bottles, and they

540
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: give him wires. In the photographs, you can see all

541
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: of the things that they gave him that potentially they

542
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: could then use later to say, oh, well, look at

543
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: all this stuff he used to commit suicide.

544
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Speaker 1: Rearing its ugly head is the accusation that the jail

545
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: video has been edited from the night of Epstein's death.

546
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Speaker 1: His own brother refuses to call it a suicide.

547
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 24: Listen to this challenging ag Bondi's claim of one minute

548
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 24: of epstein prison video is missing due to a daily reset.

549
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 24: Wired reports the video was cut together in Adobe Premiere

550
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 24: Pro from two video files. If true, this contradicts the

551
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 24: Justice Department claimed that footage was raw metadata from the

552
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 24: raw Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes and fifty

553
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 24: three seconds were removed from one of two stitched together clips,

554
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Speaker 24: and the cut starts right at the missing minute.

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00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind there are five suicides connected to

556
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Speaker 1: the Epstein investigation.

557
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: Who are they?

558
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: Number one obviously Epstein, Number two, his French counterpart, the

559
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: French Epstein who was accused and behind bars on supplying

560
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: under age girls.

561
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 3: Who else?

562
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: Virginia Jeffrey and two other Epstein victims, all who could.

563
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 24: Have testified In a deep dive into the metadata embedded

564
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 24: in the video presented to the American people as quote.

565
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 24: Raw Wired published analysis indicating the file was assembled from

566
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 24: at least two different source clips saved multiple times over

567
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Speaker 24: a period of more than three hours on May twenty third,

568
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Speaker 24: twenty twenty five. The file was then created at four

569
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Speaker 24: forty eight pm and last modified at eight sixteen pm

570
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 24: the same day, and uploaded to the Justice Department's website,

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Speaker 24: where the edited clip is presented as raw footage.

572
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter who has poured through

573
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Speaker 1: countless documents and interviews. Dave mac we first heard that

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Speaker 1: there was a glitch in the video recording system where

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00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: Epstein was housed behind bars. There were a lot of

576
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: glitches that night, weren't there, Dave mac two guards on

577
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: duty in view of Epstein. He could see them, and

578
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: they could see him. They didn't have to watch the

579
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: surveillance video. Both of them either fell asleep or went

580
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: online shopping at the time, he committed. But it's not

581
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: just one minute. There's not just one minute missing from

582
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: the jail house video, is there?

583
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 24: Dave Mac correct Nancy that one minute that Attorney General

584
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 24: Bondi has been popping about the reset of the video

585
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Speaker 24: at eleven fifty eight fifty eight, saying that was because

586
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 24: it was a nineteen ninety nine system. Well, it might

587
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 24: be explainable if that was the only problem here. But

588
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 24: in total, two minutes and fifty three seconds of video

589
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 24: appears to have been manipulated and is missing. They're able

590
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 24: to go in and look at these computer programs and

591
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 24: how they're used. They can tell when you make a

592
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 24: cut in the video, and when you join two separate

593
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 24: pieces together. They can look and see from your keyboard

594
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 24: strokes everything that's been done, to the point where they're

595
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 24: able to see how.

596
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 16: This piece of video is cut, how it was.

597
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 24: Been saved, another piece is cut and saved, and then

598
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 24: the two pieces are brought together. The problem is when

599
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 24: you do all that and then present it as supposed

600
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 24: raw footage.

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Speaker 1: And it was absolutely titled raw footage, raw footage, which

602
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: means unedited. But you could see the jumps as we

603
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: call them in this business. The jumps video is splices

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Speaker 1: together listen.

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Speaker 24: Information has not been released about the inmates and sells

606
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 24: adjacent to Epstein. In the days leading up to his death.

607
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 24: There were twelve to fourteen inmates near Epstein, but no

608
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 24: information about who the inmates were, when the inmates were

609
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 24: placed in the cells near Epstein, how long the individuals

610
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 24: had been in jail, when where they moved, and where

611
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 24: did they go. Mark Epstein says one of the inmates

612
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 24: had been in the cellar area for a time prior

613
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 24: to Epstein's arrest and subsequent attainment, and another died after

614
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 24: Epstein's death. No information is available about the other ten

615
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 24: to twelve inmates in the area when Epstein died.

616
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: An Epstein bombshell, a shadowy figure dressed as an inmate

617
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: is spotted climbing the.

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Speaker 3: Stairs to Epstein's cell.

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Speaker 1: What and we're just getting eleven new hours of video.

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Speaker 3: Where's that video been all this time?

621
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Speaker 1: It's been described as a mystery orange blob that is

622
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Speaker 1: not entirely true.

623
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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at a clip we got from

624
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: the video that has just been released.

625
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: You have to look in the original copy. It's a

626
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: lot easier to see, but it is an elongated orange figure.

627
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: It's not as they're trying to tell us somebody carrying

628
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: laundry that had.

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00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 3: That's much better. That's much better.

630
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: These are steps going up to Epstein's tier. Okay, we've

631
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: been told the guards were asleep and one was shopping

632
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: online when he was killed.

633
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: We've been told the two.

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Speaker 1: Doors we've seen over and over and over the only

635
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: way to get onto his cell tear That is a lie.

636
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: See those two doors, total bs.

637
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: Those are not the only two ways to get in

638
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: and out of that tier. Now, we also were told

639
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: that there's a problem with the CCTV that you can't

640
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: see Epstein sell. Well, okay, everything we're being fed is poison.

641
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 24: The public was already skeptical of the DOJ's claims. The

643
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 24: footage from the shoe where Jeffrey Epstein was housed clearly

644
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 24: shows Epstein is the only person who entered his cell

645
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 24: block the night of his death. A mysterious orange blob

646
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 24: climbing the steps to L Block has eviscerated all trust.

647
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 24: In their review, the Inspector General says the movement on

648
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 24: the staircase around ten forty pm is Cojovian Noel carrying

649
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 24: inmate Lennon's up to the L block, but video analysis

650
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 24: experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange,

651
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 24: not carrying orange material.

652
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: Straight out to TISA. Tail's joining US investigative reporter. She's

653
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Speaker 1: at TISA, tilS on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: TISA hit me the fact.

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Speaker 25: That we are looking on a highly edited tape they

656
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Speaker 25: released eleven hours.

657
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Speaker 3: They said there was a minute that skip.

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Speaker 25: We now know that there's about eight minutes missing from

659
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Speaker 25: that tape. There's not even the full it's ten hours,

660
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 25: fifty two minutes. See a shadowy orange figure and they

661
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Speaker 25: want us, in a in a post ditty trial world,

662
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Speaker 25: to believe that it's some Tom and Jerry stack of

663
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 25: orange jumpsuits up to the ceiling that they're carrying through

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Speaker 25: the through the correctional facility. And they want us to

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Speaker 25: believe that that's not a human the fact that the

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Speaker 25: administration listen, who knows why they are telling us not

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Speaker 25: to believe are lying eyes, But we see it for

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Speaker 25: what it is. That is a human being walking in

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Speaker 25: to a cell.

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Speaker 3: Let's see it again.

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Speaker 1: She's right, TA said my words exactly should I believe

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Speaker 1: you are my lion eyes? I see what I see

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Speaker 1: joining us right now is a very special guest. It

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Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein. You know, Mark, I

675
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Speaker 1: know that people are using you like a crystal ball

676
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Speaker 1: to try to see into the mind of your brother

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 3: What I want to talk to you about.

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Speaker 1: Is that orange clad figure that is now appearing on

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Speaker 1: video and people are seeing it for the first time,

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Speaker 1: which is concerning and not in a good way. That

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Speaker 1: we're just now seeing video which looks like someone walking

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Speaker 1: up and down a stairwell, coming out of a stairwell

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Speaker 1: and walking around on your brother's floor.

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Speaker 15: Well, there's a lot of things on that video that

686
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Speaker 15: don't make sense. In the early part of the video,

687
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Speaker 15: they said that they saw Jeffrey being walked into his cell.

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Speaker 15: First of all, you can't tell if that's Jeffrey or not.

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Speaker 15: You can't tell who it is, And you don't just

690
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 15: walk into Jeffrey's shell off of that common area. You

691
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Speaker 15: have to go up that staircase through a barred, locked

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Speaker 15: door and then into the cell. He was the first

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Speaker 15: sell on the right hand side of the tier, so

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Speaker 15: you don't just casually walk into his cell. And you know,

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Speaker 15: I've said before, every time the government tries to squash

696
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Speaker 15: this thing, they just it deeper into a hole with misinformation.

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Speaker 15: People have viewed the videotape and they've seen it's been edited,

698
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 15: and it's been dopted, and it's split from a couple

699
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Speaker 15: of different feeds. So you know, how do you trust this?

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Speaker 15: You can?

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Speaker 22: The House Oversight Committee has released over thirty three thousand

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Speaker 22: pages of Epstein related records and dozens of video and

703
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Speaker 22: audio recordings associated with the investigation, though committee members have

704
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Speaker 22: warned that in addition to heavy redaction, over ninety seven

705
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Speaker 22: percent of the releases already public. Those diving into the

706
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Speaker 22: files have discovered interesting bits in the three percent that

707
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Speaker 22: is new. Most interesting, the missing minute of the MCC

708
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Speaker 22: surveillance footage has been.

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Speaker 3: Found Sidney Sumner. What does the video depict?

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Speaker 16: According to the government, the video depicts the material handler.

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Speaker 16: This unnamed employee who was also on shift at the

712
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Speaker 16: time of Tovia Noel leaving to go home. So they

713
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Speaker 16: are claiming that this is an employee who just finished

714
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Speaker 16: his shift and is heading home for the night, and

715
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Speaker 16: he walks off screen toward the main entesce of the

716
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Speaker 16: shoe and does not approach Epstein's cell That's what they

717
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Speaker 16: tell us is happening. But of course the angle of

718
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Speaker 16: this video is just absolutely horrible. It really doesn't show

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Speaker 16: us much of anything, so it's really unclear if he

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Speaker 16: did head out the main entrance of the shoe or

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Speaker 16: could that person have gone up to where Epstein was

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Speaker 16: being housed.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, well, Sadie Sumner, Obviously there is more

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Speaker 1: than one person in that area around Epstein's cell.

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Speaker 3: It's not just one person leaving for the night.

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Speaker 1: There are more people there, and what we are being

727
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Speaker 1: told is there is a cluster of movement outside Epstein's cell.

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Speaker 16: Well, so what we can see in the video these

729
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Speaker 16: are the bottom of the stairs up to Epstein's cell block,

730
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Speaker 16: so we can just barely see a sliver of that staircase.

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Speaker 16: And earlier in the previous release of this surveillance video,

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Speaker 16: we all saw that orange blob, and again they told

733
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Speaker 16: us that that person was actually heading up towards that

734
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Speaker 16: cell block carrying it was an employee apparently carrying inmate

735
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Speaker 16: linens or an inmate uniform. And of course we're all

736
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Speaker 16: screaming bs. That's somebody in an inmate uniform walking up

737
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Speaker 16: that staircase. So it's a very unclear angle, but you're right,

738
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Speaker 16: it doesn't look like just one person.

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Speaker 3: All along, we have had nothing but lies. Lies.

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Speaker 22: I was fourteen years old, I was sixteen years old,

741
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Speaker 22: was sixteen.

742
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Speaker 3: Seventeen, fourteen years old.

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Speaker 6: This is me, this was me, This is me, and

744
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Speaker 6: when I met Jeffrey Epstein me.

745
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Speaker 4: When I met Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 26: It's time to bring the secrets out of the shadows.

747
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Speaker 26: It's time to shine a light into the darkness.

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Speaker 5: These are women who have come forward, and it's a

749
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Speaker 5: whole slew of women kicking the can down the road.

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Speaker 3: We are not having it. We're going to keep the

751
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Speaker 3: pressure up.

752
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Speaker 1: Epstein victims storm DC, demanding justice.

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Speaker 5: I was only fourteen years old when I met Jeffrey.

754
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 5: It was the summer of high school. I was working

755
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 5: three jobs to try to support my mom and my sister.

756
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 5: When a friend of mine in the neighborhood told me

757
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 5: that I could make three hundred dollars to give an

758
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: old guy a massage. It went from a dream job

759
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 5: to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey assistant Leslie Groff would call

760
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 5: me and tell me that I needed to be at

761
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 5: the house so often that I ended up dropping out

762
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Speaker 5: of high school before ninth grade, and I never went back.

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Speaker 5: From fourteen to seventeen years old, I went and worked

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Speaker 5: for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education. Every day I

765
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Speaker 5: hope that he would offer me a real job as

766
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Speaker 5: one of his assistant or something something important. I would

767
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 5: finally have made it big as like we say, the

768
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 5: American dream, that they never came. I had no way,

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Speaker 5: I had no way out. I was until he finally

770
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Speaker 5: told me that I was too old. There are many

771
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 5: pieces of my story that I can't remember no matter

772
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Speaker 5: how hard I try. The constant state of wonder causes

773
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 5: me so much fear and so much confusion. My therapist

774
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Speaker 5: is that my brain is just trying to protect this self,

775
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Speaker 5: But it's so hard to begin to heal knowing that

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Speaker 5: there are people out there who know more about my

777
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 5: abuse than I do. The worst part is that the

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Speaker 5: government is still in possession right now of the documents

779
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 5: and information about that could help me remember and get

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Speaker 5: over all of this, maybe and help me heal. They

781
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 5: have documents with my name on them that were confiscated

782
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Speaker 5: from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help me put the

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Speaker 5: pieces of my own life back together. But I don't

784
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Speaker 5: have any of it, and I know the same is

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Speaker 5: true for many of these women.

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Speaker 27: My name is Annie Farmer, and I was sixteen years

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Speaker 27: old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend

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Speaker 27: a weekend with Epstein and Maxwell. That same year, nineteen

789
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Speaker 27: ninety six, my sister Maria Farmer reported what happened to

790
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Speaker 27: me there, along with reporting her own assaults at their

791
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Speaker 27: hands and their theft of sensitive photos of herself, of

792
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Speaker 27: me and our younger sister that she had taken for

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Speaker 27: her work as a figuritive painter. I am now forty

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Speaker 27: six years old. Thirty years later, we still do not

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Speaker 27: know why that report wasn't properly investigated, or why Epstein

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Speaker 27: and his associates were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands,

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Speaker 27: of other girls and young women. We have never been

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Speaker 27: told whether those images were found when they discovered a

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Speaker 27: large amount of child sexual abuse material on his property.

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Speaker 28: And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein

801
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 28: undressed and asked me to do things to him. My

802
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 28: eyes welled up with tears, and I have never been

803
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 28: more scared in my life. When it was over, he

804
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 28: paid me two hundred dollars and requested in exchange that

805
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Speaker 28: I bring a girl each time to make another two

806
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 28: hundred dollars. I told him I did not want to

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Speaker 28: do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I

808
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 28: felt in hope to never hear from him again, but

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00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 28: he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful,

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00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 28: and he would not let me go. I felt I

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Speaker 28: had no choice If I disobeyed him, I knew so

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00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 28: thing God would happen.

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Speaker 26: I would like to announce here today, us Epstein survivors

814
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Speaker 26: have been discussing creating our own list.

815
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Speaker 3: We know the names many of us were.

816
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Speaker 6: Abused by them.

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Speaker 26: Now, together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names

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Speaker 26: we all know who regularly and who are regularly in

819
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Speaker 26: the Epstein world. And it will be done by survivors

820
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Speaker 26: and for survivors. No one else is involved that.

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Speaker 3: I'm at Rep. Thomas Massey on X.

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Speaker 1: You are seeing the Survivors in DC in the last

823
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Speaker 1: Days demanding justice Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I want

824
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Speaker 1: to introduce you a very special guest, a Jeffrey Epstein survivor.

825
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Speaker 1: I hate to always say victim because Lisa Phillips has

826
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Speaker 1: gone on to become a warrior. Yes she's a mother

827
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Speaker 1: of three. Yes, she's a gorgeous former Ford Agency model. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she's been in a major motion picture, among many things.

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Speaker 3: Any given Sunday, a lot of people have seen that

830
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Speaker 3: she's in it. She's beautiful, she's accomplished, she's articulate. She's

831
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Speaker 3: also a.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein victim now survivor slash warrior.

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Speaker 3: Lisa, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 6: Well, I just want to say thank you for that intro.

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Speaker 6: The survivors are here because we are fed up and

836
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Speaker 6: we are not victims. We do not like to be

837
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Speaker 6: called victims. We are survivors. We're taking our power back

838
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Speaker 6: because what happened to me on that island back in

839
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Speaker 6: two thousand should have never happened. I was brought by

840
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Speaker 6: another young girl, and that was the genius of Jeffrey

841
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 6: Epstein's sex trafficking ring as he got other girls and

842
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 6: young women to bring more.

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Speaker 1: So when you flew, when you were flown to the island,

844
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Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen?

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Speaker 6: Lisa, Nancy. I took a boat to the island. I

846
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 6: was at Tortola, the island next door. What kind of

847
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Speaker 6: boat like a ferry boat.

848
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Speaker 1: So somebody picked you up at a dock, you got on,

849
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Speaker 1: they took you over, and they dropped you off at

850
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Speaker 1: an appointed spot.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: That's correct?

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Speaker 1: That is exactly what the other victims say. Victims you

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Speaker 1: haven't even spoken to or or you don't know their names.

855
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Speaker 1: So amazing how your stories already are like a fingerprint story.

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Speaker 3: They fit exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you get to Epstein's island and what happens.

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Speaker 6: We actually had a really good time on the island

859
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Speaker 6: for the first several hours, hanging out in the pool,

860
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Speaker 6: and you know, we had a wonderful dinner where I

861
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 6: met Jeffrey Epstein. And Jeffrey is charming and he's very intelligent,

862
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 6: and he's locked in on you.

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Speaker 1: You stated that you were told, hey, it's just a massage,

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Speaker 1: you have to do it.

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Speaker 6: Who told you that the girl who brought me there.

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Speaker 1: How in the hay did it get to You've got

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Speaker 1: to give him a massage?

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Speaker 4: Just like that.

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Speaker 6: It was so quick. It was a wonderful day, just

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Speaker 6: a normal day. And then right when it was time,

871
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Speaker 6: everything changed. Everything went dark. The whole island looked different.

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Speaker 6: The walk to his bedroom, the anticipation and the anxiousness

873
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Speaker 6: of like, what the frick is going on here? And

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Speaker 6: I'm looking at her and I could see she has

875
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Speaker 6: a little fear in her eyes. You know, something was

876
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Speaker 6: wrong with her because she didn't want to do it,

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Speaker 6: you know, but it's just something. She took a deep

878
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Speaker 6: breath and she's like, we have to do it, And

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Speaker 6: so I just went with her because I didn't feel

880
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 6: like I had a choice. I was literally trapped on

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Speaker 6: an island at that point. There was nowhere to run,

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Speaker 6: and I was scared to death of saying no, I'm

883
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Speaker 6: not going to do it. I didn't have it in me,

884
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 6: and be like no way, you know, I just couldn't

885
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 6: do it. I just froze and just went with her.

886
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 6: And then what happened, Like the genius of Jeffrey Epstein,

887
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 6: it was a real massage, It really was. It was playful,

888
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 6: and he was funny, and he was now asking personal,

889
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 6: flirty questions, and you know, he tries to make it

890
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 6: seem like it's no big deal. You know, that's how

891
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 6: he is until then he turns. There's a little darkness.

892
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 6: There's a little there's a lot of darkness in Jeffrey Epstein.

893
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 6: So he has this mask if I'm your mentor, I'm

894
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 6: going to help you out, I'm this great, caring, wonderful person.

895
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 6: Look at all my rich, powerful friends. Like he has

896
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 6: a six steer that pulls, you know, young women in

897
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 6: because he makes them feel really safe, and he makes

898
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 6: you feel seen and heard, that's for sure. But then

899
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 6: there's a darkness that which is when he just wants

900
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 6: to get what he wants, and so he loves massages.

901
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: He does that is his baseline is massage. But then

902
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 6: it always switches into some type of a little bit

903
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 6: of torture, you know, if he wants to hurt you

904
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 6: a little bit with his with his hands and with objects,

905
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 6: and with the fact that he can control the two

906
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 6: young women in the room. So it was it was scary.

907
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: It was just.

908
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 6: I just I'm traumatized every time I think about it,

909
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 6: and I know you have to ask these questions, but

910
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 6: it was just the worst night of my life.

911
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: Lisa. Did he to you?

912
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: Yes?

913
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: And then you said the secretary would then call you

914
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: non stop to get you to bring other girls women

915
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: to the island.

916
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm getting ahead of myself after he.

917
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know I'm asking you this, Lisa, because

918
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: people don't think it happened, because no one is doing anything.

919
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: Because Glaine Maxwell is on the verge of walking free.

920
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm not letting it go because there are other clients

921
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: that statutory girls and that forced young women into unwanted sex.

922
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: That's and nothing is being done.

923
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: And I don't get it. I don't get why we're

924
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: being lied to.

925
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: And I see you sitting there crying, and it's like

926
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: pouring gas on a fire to me to think nothing

927
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: has been done.

928
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: Nothing. I also don't believe it can suicide. This totallys Yes,

929
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 3: what is your message tonight, Lisa.

930
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 6: It is not your fault. It took me a long

931
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 6: time to get there. And sometimes it's just seeing other survivors.

932
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 6: Sometimes you just need to connect with other survivors, whether

933
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 6: it's Epstein or any other serial predator, or anyone who

934
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 6: can listen to you. You need support and you need

935
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 6: to find the community, and you're not alone. You are

936
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 6: not alone to all.

937
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: The survivors out there. Right now we are speaking with

938
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: Lisa Phillips who survived Epstein. Please stay strong and keep

939
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: the faith. Lisa, thank you for being with us, and

940
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: thank you for being brave for other crime victims to

941
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: see you and hear you and understand what you've been through,

942
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: what you will always be going through because of Jeffrey

943
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell.

944
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: But yet you are still fighting the fight.

945
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: And now we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jacob

946
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: Picket Boone County Sheriffs, Indiana, thirty four, shot and killed

947
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: in the line of duty, survived by wife turned widow,

948
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: Jennifer Sons Lincoln and Wade. American hero Deputy Sheriff Jacob Pickett.

949
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, good night friend,