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Speaker 1: Guys, let's start tonight's classic with a bit of a

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Speaker 1: Maya kulpa. It's pronounced Jengas Khan, not Ganghis Khan.

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Speaker 2: How come that Ninja Turtle character's name is Ganghas Frog though, Okay,

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Speaker 2: riddle riddle me that bro.

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Speaker 3: Man, all these people want to come through and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: we've been pronouncing it wrong the whole History channel. Come on,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is There are mysteries about how to pronounce

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Speaker 1: the name, and a lot of it is due to,

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Speaker 1: of course, translation into Western languages. But there is, believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, another mystery about Jengus or Ganghis Khan.

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Speaker 1: And uh, it's a mystery that is probably I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it might be solved, but the odds are against it.

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Speaker 1: Where the heck is this guy buried?

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Speaker 2: I know, it's a much more juicy mystery than a

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Speaker 2: pronunciation mystery.

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Speaker 1: I mean, a guy who changed the world such that

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Speaker 1: such that his DNA is freaking everywhere the seed is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, y'all make as many statues as you want,

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Speaker 3: but you'll never find me.

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Speaker 1: And Matt I like to picture him in that conversation,

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Speaker 1: just unnecessarily with like a Dracula style cape and he's

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Speaker 1: just like you'd never find me. But he doesn't move

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Speaker 1: from the courtroom. He just stands there with the Cape

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Speaker 1: and they all have to pretend he disappeared because he'll

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Speaker 1: kill them otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's jump in.

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Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 4: learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 5: My name is My name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul the con decand but most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Let's start off on a high

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Speaker 1: note today, like up here, Sure, let's do ray me

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Speaker 1: fossil Lati, do our way to solati. Death to death. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do that. So death, as it's often said, is

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Speaker 1: one of the main U nineteen experiences of humanity. Right,

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Speaker 1: No matter how different you are, how wealthy, poor, respected,

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Speaker 3: Are you a carbon based life form?

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Speaker 1: Death awaits indeed, and one of the biggest differences between

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Speaker 1: us human beings. Listening to this and almost all other

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Speaker 1: living things, including machine consciousnesses that may be listening to

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Speaker 1: this in the future. Is that we remember and venerate

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Speaker 1: our dead, our loved ones or even our hated ones

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Speaker 1: who have passed. Civilizations of old channel this tremendous amount

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Speaker 1: of energy in preparing for their respective versions of the afterlife,

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Speaker 1: and then created practices that often continue in one form

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Speaker 1: or another in the modern day, Like, for instance, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to put anybody on the spot, but it's

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Speaker 1: safe to assume we have all at one point thought

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Speaker 1: about how we want our death to be handled by

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Speaker 1: the people who survive after us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, generally in this country, it's do you want to

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Speaker 3: be put into the ground your entire body in its

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Speaker 3: form as it exists, Perhaps it's modified, maybe most of

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Speaker 3: the insides have been taken out. Maybe you get burned,

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Speaker 3: which is an ancient practice of burning about.

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Speaker 2: It, The ancient ritual of the sick burn yep goes

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Speaker 2: back farther than you think it does.

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Speaker 1: And on a side note, I want to give a

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Speaker 1: shout out to a fantastic documentary that Paul actually made

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Speaker 1: and I helped out a little bit on it, which

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Speaker 1: was about burial and death specifically called burial.

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Speaker 3: Is it available right now? It is not available, so

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Speaker 3: you can't ever watch it ever. No, never, you will

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Speaker 3: never be able to watch it.

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Speaker 1: So it's without spoiling it. It is fantastic. And along

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Speaker 1: the way we ran into some very strange things about

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Speaker 1: the legality of burial here in the US. But while

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Speaker 1: the specific funeral rights and rituals of some civilizations may

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Speaker 1: be lost to time, we do have something equally amazing,

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Speaker 1: some people say even more amazing, and that is physical

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Speaker 1: historical evidence of ancient people and their heroes, many of

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Speaker 3: Tombs, big tombs, not just a little grave plot or

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Speaker 3: a place where you put ashes a tomb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I think we figured out that the process

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Speaker 2: or the pre of tombs goes back to mausolus. Was

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Speaker 2: it the idea of it or innate? You know, giant

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Speaker 1: That's the etymology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sounds morbid sure for us to open

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Speaker 1: a show with this. Oh, by the way, conspiracy at

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Speaker 1: HowStuffWorks dot com, we'd love to hear your opinions of

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Speaker 1: the best way to handle a dead body.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are you undead or a spirit? How were you buried?

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Speaker 3: How did that go?

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Speaker 1: Yes? No, and on some level it is morbid, but

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Speaker 1: are exploring a genuine and successful cover up a mystery

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Speaker 1: Today we are searching for the lost tomb of Jengis Khan.

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Speaker 2: The very opposite of the tomb that I was talking about,

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Speaker 2: the mausoleum, which is an above ground tomb that was

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, and specifically this fellow named Jengis Khan, who

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Speaker 3: I hate to admit, did call Genghis Khana quite a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's very common for us here

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Speaker 1: It just rabs things arbitrarily and steals from other dictionaries.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at level one and learn some more about him.

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Speaker 1: His real name was not Jengis Khan. He was born

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Speaker 1: And he was named, oddly enough, after a Tatar chieftain

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Speaker 1: According to the Secret History of the Mongols, this fellow

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was, right, so after a hunt,

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Speaker 1: So he begins the slowest scent of power. He builds

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Speaker 1: It's a It translates to the spoke or the axis

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Speaker 1: He also found his former slavers, the tachi Utz, and

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Speaker 2: Which requires a little more diplomacy rather than brute force.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that everything that

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Speaker 2: Well, damn, that'senti climactic.

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Speaker 5: He gobbles so much and then it's just like, I'm out.

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Speaker 3: Think about all those twenty seven year old rock gods.

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Speaker 5: He's got old.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, well, you know, assuming that he died, but because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's we don't know if the folks who

439
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Speaker 1: made that game meant for that to be such a reference,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to pretend it is. And please join

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Speaker 1: along with this.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly better than just falling off your horse

443
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Speaker 2: when you're meant to be this badass like leader rider guy.

444
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Speaker 2: You know that would be pretty embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Especially with the cultural importance based on horsemanship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, following his tribal customs, the parts of the tradition

448
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Speaker 1: that he did adhere to, he was buried without markers,

449
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Speaker 1: somewhere allegedly near the place of his birth. According to legends,

450
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Speaker 1: the funeral escort carried him to this burial site killed

451
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Speaker 1: anyone they saw along the way and anything they encounter.

452
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Speaker 1: The slaves who built the site were killed. The soldiers

453
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Speaker 1: who killed them were killed by a different troop without

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think those that first wave of

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Speaker 1: his soldiers knew, effectively creating this century's version of an

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Speaker 1: air gap security systems like.

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Speaker 2: That scene in the Batman movie with the Joker, the

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Speaker 2: heath Ledger Joker, that heist they pull off where everybody

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Speaker 2: kills everybody else until there's nobody left.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, but spoiler.

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Speaker 5: Have you don't seen this movie?

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Speaker 3: I've seen it. I cannot remember that part.

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Speaker 5: It's us.

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Speaker 1: I think it's in the trailer.

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Speaker 5: I think so.

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Speaker 1: The empire goes on. Khan has bestowed supreme leadership to

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Speaker 1: his son Ogi Dai, who controls most of eastern Asia,

468
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Speaker 1: including China. He's divided the rest of the empire amongst

469
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Speaker 1: his other children. One gets control over Central Asia northern Iran.

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Speaker 1: The youngest gets a small piece of land near Mongolia.

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Speaker 1: His other son, who had died before him, had already

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Speaker 1: taken control of modern day Russia. With a son named Batu.

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Speaker 1: They created the legendary thing called the Golden Horde, and

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Speaker 1: that is more of I think that's probably the closest

475
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Speaker 1: thing George R. R. Martin's going for, because those forces

476
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Speaker 1: meet European forces and tactics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even in Game of Thrones there's the Golden Company,

478
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Speaker 2: which is another kind of Horde that's more for higher.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a mercenary crew. And this empire eventually reaches

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Speaker 1: all the way to the gates of Vienna in Austria.

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Speaker 1: Until this is how fragile history is. Until the word

482
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Speaker 1: of the Khan's death reaches Batu, he's summoned back to Mongolia.

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Speaker 1: He turns east, and we can only imagine that most

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Speaker 1: of the people in all points west of Vienna went.

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Speaker 2: That seems like this doesn't like a dumb move, Like

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Speaker 2: if you're already like ready to go, you've made it

487
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: this far that really shows the ancestor, you know, the

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Speaker 2: respect for ancestors in this culture, Like they're just stopping.

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Speaker 3: What we're doing.

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Speaker 2: We're done, We've got to go back and take care

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Speaker 2: of dad. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And the empire soldiered on for a while, but you know,

493
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Speaker 1: fame and power messes with people, and the cons descendants

494
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Speaker 1: eventually broke off into smaller regions called khanates that did

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Speaker 1: cooperate but later became competitive. The trade system, most importantly

496
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: began to break down, and the rulers began to be

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Speaker 1: seen by the common folk as increasingly assimilated with the

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Speaker 1: people they were supposed to be ruling. So like they

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Speaker 1: would say, the Mongolians who are ruling part of China

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Speaker 1: are no longer really Mongolian. They're soft.

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Speaker 2: So they kind of died with a whimper and not

502
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Speaker 2: a bang, no big final blood war, just a little bit,

503
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Speaker 2: just kind of faded into the background.

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Speaker 1: Kind of there was one factor that was bloody and

505
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Speaker 1: it was not human, and humans just helped it along.

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Speaker 1: At the same time these empires begin to fall and assimilate,

507
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Speaker 1: the Black Plague strikes. It destabilizes the world trade networks

508
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Speaker 1: that were already suffering, are falling into massive disrepair as

509
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Speaker 1: everybody's trying to figure out why everyone around them is dying.

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Speaker 1: About thirty percent of China's population falls to the plague,

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Speaker 1: as well as anywhere from twenty five to fifty percent

512
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Speaker 1: of the population in Europe. So yeah, it's it's a

513
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: grizzly rise a grizzly fall. But regardless of whether you

514
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Speaker 1: think he is one of the world's best military commanders,

515
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Speaker 1: a global hero, or an infamous villain, when thing's for sure,

516
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Jengis Khan changed history. So what happened to him?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing nobody really knows except for those

518
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Speaker 3: people that got, according to legend, assassinated immediately after they

519
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Speaker 3: buried him.

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Speaker 5: That is so hardcore today.

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Speaker 3: Right now, the search continues officially, Yeah, outside of you know, maybe.

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Speaker 2: The secret keepers.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there is a group of a small group of

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Speaker 3: secret keepers, and we'll learn about that right after a

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Speaker 3: quick word from our sponsor.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. According to oral folklore and legend,

527
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Speaker 1: the Empire went to great lengths to erase the location

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Speaker 1: of the CON's tomb from the world. As we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the funeral escort killed people, they encountered all the way

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Speaker 1: to and from the site, which is a little complicated

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Speaker 1: because the people who knew the way there got killed

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Speaker 1: when they were there, and then the other people who

533
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Speaker 1: killed the slaves and the soldiers who killed the slaves,

534
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Speaker 1: they probably never saw the tomb at least according to

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Speaker 1: the story.

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Speaker 2: So again, well, well, well before this, in three fifty

537
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Speaker 2: three BC, we had Greek cultures that were generating they're

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Speaker 2: dead with these ostentatious monuments that were there for everyone

539
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Speaker 2: to worship and see. Totally different style of burial. Here

540
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Speaker 2: they are killing their countrymen to keep them from spreading

541
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Speaker 2: the word of where this leader would have been buried,

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Speaker 2: and for what reason. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Then, for another cultural reference, killing people who construct

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Speaker 1: a tomb of a leader is unfortunately not uncommon. There

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Speaker 1: have been other cases in ancient cultures where slaves were

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Speaker 1: killed not to keep a secret, but as a sacrifice

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Speaker 1: to serve the leader in the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask, do you think they were

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Speaker 2: like surprised or were they going into this knowing they

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Speaker 2: probably weren't going to come back.

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Speaker 1: That part has lost the history and stuff to it's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's easy for us to say, well, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do that if I knew what was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: you know, with the benefit of looking back from twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: But the fact in matter is we don't have documentation

556
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Speaker 1: that tells us anything about the understand or the motivation

557
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Speaker 1: of the slaves or the.

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Speaker 2: Soldiers, because there's very little documentation about Con at all.

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Speaker 1: Right, there's the Secret History of the Mongols, which is

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Speaker 1: often considered not one hundred percent accurate, and it leaves

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Speaker 1: a lot of things out, but it's you know, we've

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Speaker 1: this far back in history, there's a constant search for sources.

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00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: Right, you got to put it together based on artifacts

564
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: and just kind of like finding stuff and putting the

565
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Speaker 2: pieces together and saying this is probably how it went down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and based on what the people who, what kind

567
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Speaker 1: of frame of reference or cultural perspective the earlier investigators

568
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: were coming from, Like we're still we got to be clear.

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Speaker 1: This stuff we're talking about here is the realm of legend.

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Speaker 1: The tomb was allegedly hidden, and folklore gives us conflicting

571
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Speaker 1: methods of camouflage. In one story, an entire river was

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Speaker 1: diverted over the CON's grave so that no one could

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Speaker 1: find it. Ever, in another version, they had horses trample

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Speaker 1: across the ground and then they planted trees on the

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Speaker 1: site so that you couldn't find any clear traces of

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Speaker 1: somebody digging. And then another story says that permafrost itself

577
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Speaker 1: erased all traces of the site. There's another guy in

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Speaker 1: sixteen sixty two, a work called the Ordini Topchi that

579
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Speaker 1: argues Genghis Khan's coffin was empty when it arrived in Mongolia.

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Speaker 1: It's very it's a conspiracy theory that has echoes in

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Speaker 1: the modern day. And then there's another Atlan Topchi that

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Speaker 1: from sixty oh four that says only Genghis Khan's shirt

583
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Speaker 1: tent and his boots were buried.

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Speaker 3: Shirt shoes, tent, no service, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: In the afterlife. Yeah, but essentially after he died, people

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Speaker 1: began searching for this tomb. One leg said that was

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Speaker 1: found as soon as thirty years later. This is the

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Speaker 1: weirdest one I found was it was found thirty years

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Speaker 1: later because a camel was buried with the Kahn, a

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Speaker 1: young camel, and that the camel's mother found the grave

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Speaker 1: and started weeping over the death of its child.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a fairy tale.

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Speaker 1: Sounds very Pixar Mamby Disney movie esque. Probably not true,

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Speaker 1: but it is possible that the burial site was somewhere

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Speaker 1: around wild camel.

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Speaker 2: Routes, and then the tears seeped into the soil and

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Speaker 2: the camel was resurrected by the power.

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Speaker 1: Of love as long as the children watching nearby clap

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Speaker 1: their hands. That's probably not true, but we do have some.

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Speaker 3: Prove true that I'm saying the camel thing is so real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope it is, man, I hope it's right.

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00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I hope it is.

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Speaker 3: I would love to hang out there so deep in

604
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Speaker 3: Disney movies, now, that's gotta be real.

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Speaker 1: What are the good Disney movies?

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Speaker 3: Uh, Coco, Coco's pretty good, which when my son calls

607
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Speaker 3: it the Boy with the Bones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I remember that. Yeah, that's a solid one.

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Speaker 2: Have you see Incredibles too yet? No, there's a short

610
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: before it that will get you, my friend. It's called Bow.

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Speaker 2: It's about a dumpling.

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00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful.

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00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So the thing about Disney films and Pixar films as well,

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Speaker 1: is that, oh I just realized pretty soon every film

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Speaker 1: is going to be a Disney film.

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Speaker 3: Yep, they're buying.

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Speaker 1: They're buying it all they might buy us.

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Speaker 3: They already did.

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Speaker 5: Please buy us Disney, Please buy us Disney. I will.

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Speaker 1: I will not say no to tickets or a mascot costume,

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00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But the the thing about these films,

623
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Speaker 1: these Disney films, is that they are proven historical resources.

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Speaker 1: We can look at them, we can see what happened

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Speaker 1: in them. It's not just oral folklore. And we have

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Speaker 1: some documentation from this time, oddly enough, via Marco Polo.

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Speaker 1: He wrote about his travels and he wrote about what

628
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: he saws, the attitudes of Mongolian people themselves, and the

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Speaker 1: speculation over the side of the grave. According to him,

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Speaker 1: people Mongolia did not know where the tomb was as

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Speaker 1: early as the late thirteenth century, so even just a

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Speaker 1: few decades after the death, they were saying, we all

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Speaker 1: know where he is.

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Speaker 3: He's gone.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, Marco, oh, snap, I think we

636
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Speaker 1: are poll lowering the bar on the puns to day right.

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Speaker 3: Marco did have a guess, though, and in the Travels

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00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: of Marco Polo he writes that and there's been an

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Speaker 3: invariable custom that all the grand cons and chiefs of

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Speaker 3: the race of Jingus Khan should be carried for internment

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Speaker 3: to a certain lofty mountain named Autai, and in whatever

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Speaker 3: place they may happen to die, altho, it should be

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Speaker 3: at the distance of one hundred days journey. They are

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Speaker 3: nevertheless conveyed thither. Oh Marco Polo what a.

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Speaker 5: And I do believe the illustrious gone may have died

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Speaker 5: from an arrow to the knee.

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Speaker 1: I like the Julip this guy's sipping. Also, Matt, that

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Speaker 1: that accident totally. I me convinced you're about to go. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I only do one voice, so it's great.

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Speaker 2: But the precision, Matt it's doing it drips like butter.

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Speaker 1: It's the true voice of history.

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Speaker 5: Matt Mint, Julip Frederick.

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Speaker 1: Taking a big old journey across Mongolia and the steps.

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Speaker 3: Over there mountain all time.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I want to make a video game and

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Speaker 1: just have you narrate all the characters.

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Speaker 3: I'm down with that. Hey, developers out there, please let

658
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Speaker 3: me voice your game and Ben Ben'll do it, and

659
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Speaker 3: I'll do it, and Paula do it.

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Speaker 2: No, it'll just be you, and it'll just be a

661
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Speaker 2: game full of old men. Sauntering around the Mongolian waste.

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Speaker 1: It's including the love it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, it'll be the West World game and I'll

664
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Speaker 3: just play the old guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, Now everybody knows there's an old person

666
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Speaker 1: in a TV show.

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Speaker 3: Just let me play Dellos' grandfather.

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Speaker 1: Who.

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Speaker 5: So it's over for me now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But people are probably programmed where they they haven't

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Speaker 1: gotten to the level of consciousness that they can't hear

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Speaker 1: that spoiler.

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Speaker 3: Now you're jelling me.

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Speaker 5: You guys are killing me.

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Speaker 1: So in nineteen thirty seven, rumors surfaced that the Soviet

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Speaker 1: government had found and stolen a banner from this Buddhist monastery,

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Speaker 1: this remote Buddhist monastery, and the banner had clues leading

678
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Speaker 1: you to the grave site. Nothing came of that.

679
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Speaker 3: Who let those guys have that?

680
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: No one they took it.

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Speaker 2: They probably started the rumor themselves. They're a little braggadocious

682
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Speaker 2: over there in the Soviet Union. If I'm gonna be honest, it.

683
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Speaker 1: Might be in thirty seven when we did the Great

684
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Speaker 1: Game yea podcast about Shambhalah. This probably associated with that.

685
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Speaker 3: It's just some disinfo, man.

686
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Speaker 1: The searches continued and they had that same pattern that

687
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Speaker 1: we see in so many of these sorts of investigations.

688
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: They were all these tantalizing clues. Somebody finds a button,

689
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Speaker 1: they find a gold coin, they find like an ancient bow,

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Speaker 1: but they find no concrete proof leading to the grave.

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Speaker 1: There's a very sad story here. An amateur archaeologist named

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Speaker 1: Mary Kravitz dedicated decades of his life to searching for

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Speaker 1: this tomb, and he was basing a lot of his

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Speaker 1: research and his excavations, which were quite expensive, on the

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Speaker 1: writings of a fifteenth century French jesuit. He was convinced,

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Speaker 1: based on this guy's records, that the site would be

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Speaker 1: near the CON's quote favorite place the confluence con flu

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Speaker 1: E NC of the Kerlin and quote Brucie rivers the

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Speaker 1: place named burkhon cal Dune over his right shoulder. Kravitz

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Speaker 1: couldn't find a river named Brucie, which most people would

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Speaker 1: think to mean that he's just confused the name or

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brucie, man, And isn't the Caldoon, the the the

704
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Speaker 2: the Burken Caldoon the mountain in question right earlier from

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Speaker 2: the reaching his hands up to the sky God.

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Speaker 1: So everybody believes that it's got to be somehow related

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Speaker 1: to this mountain. But he did find something called a

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Speaker 1: toponym Barun Brooch or West Brooch. And a toponym is

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Speaker 1: a place name that is derived from a topographical feature.

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Speaker 5: Oh cool, that is really cool.

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Speaker 2: That's a new one for me.

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Speaker 3: It's t O P O N Y M.

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Speaker 5: And I guess yeah.

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Speaker 1: And this area was about one hundred kilometers east of

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Speaker 1: Burkhan Kol Dune', so not that far. Kravitz died without

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Speaker 1: ever finishing or failing. His search for the two never quit.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, exactly. And it makes you think about

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Speaker 3: all those people who have spent their life looking for

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Speaker 3: something like the Holy Grail, like putting all of their

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Speaker 3: life's work into something like that, or what what are

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Speaker 3: what are some of these other legendary things?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things that don't want to be found.

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Speaker 2: But thankfully, Morey's young grandson, Lenny went on to become

724
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Speaker 2: an incredible rock star, a rock god. Yeah, sports leather

725
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Speaker 2: pants like no one's ever done in the history of had.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful children, And if you listen to most of his albums,

727
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Speaker 1: you'll see that the lyrics are actually about the search

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Speaker 1: for the tomb of Genghis.

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Speaker 5: The whole thing. Are you going to go my.

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Speaker 2: Way that's about Genghis Khan they have, then none of

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Speaker 2: this is true.

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Speaker 3: This is true, I should say. The one fault is

733
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Speaker 3: he wrote it about Genghis Khan rather than Jengis Khan.

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Speaker 3: And that's what's kind of fail.

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Speaker 2: Pronunciation fails. It's better when we catch ourselves though, Isn't

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Speaker 2: it agreed?

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Speaker 5: This is lean into it.

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Speaker 1: So there are other possible locations. Marco Polo has that,

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Speaker 1: admittedly vague but amazingly performed by Matt Mention of Altai.

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Speaker 1: Other theories include something from Luan dynasty, which the Yuan

741
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Speaker 1: dynasty is Mongol descended. You know how we're talking earlier

742
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Speaker 1: about ruling populations that were thought to have assimilated to egregiously.

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Speaker 1: This is one example. And the Yuan dynasty believe that

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Speaker 1: all Mongol Khans were buried in the area of Genghis

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Speaker 1: Khan's tomb, a site known as Chinyan Valley. But there's

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Speaker 1: no in all their records talking about this valley. There's

747
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Speaker 1: no specific mention of where that tomb is. They just

748
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Speaker 1: talk around it as if they know where it is.

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Speaker 3: So like the valley beyond.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but was it exclusive to t Djengus, him being

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Speaker 2: the big, the big Kahuna, that they would.

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Speaker 5: Hide his tomb or would they like that? Would they

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Speaker 5: have hit all of their burials like a valley of

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Speaker 5: the cause?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's well again, the tradition is not to mark them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right where you were born too, write like

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Speaker 3: where you originate.

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Speaker 1: There's another bit of folklore that says he's buried at

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Speaker 1: the peak of or on a peak rather in the

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Speaker 1: Kenty mountains, and that's Burkhan Koldoon. He had hidden from

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Speaker 1: enemies on that mountain as a young man. That's where

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Speaker 1: he made that spiritual pledge right to return there in death.

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Speaker 1: So for centuries it seemed like this was going to

764
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Speaker 1: be a hopeless fool's Errand it's a huge country. It's

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Speaker 1: not very populated. It's almost as if the huge humans

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Speaker 1: sprinkled there or just to give us a sense of

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Speaker 1: scale about how vast and empty it is.

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Speaker 2: And it's a very unforgiving terrain.

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Speaker 1: It's a very unforgiving ter rain. But there was there

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Speaker 1: was something that seemed set to change the expedition's game

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Speaker 1: that arrived very recently, and that is the emergence of

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Speaker 1: cutting edge technology, which will dive into after a word

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Speaker 3: And entered doctor Albert Lynn. He is the let's say,

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Speaker 3: he's the most well known example of somebody who's using

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Speaker 3: technology in the hunt for this lost tune.

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Speaker 1: And you you're a huge fan of this guy, right, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 3: I've I've only spent let's say, it's probably all forty

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Speaker 3: eight minutes with him roughly that I've spent with him

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Speaker 3: on screen.

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Speaker 5: Okay, no, no, no, no, no, okay, wow.

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Speaker 3: I love the work that he's doing, seems very admirable

784
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Speaker 3: and going back to his roots.

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Speaker 2: A full backstory about yeah, led him to this ultimate

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Speaker 2: journey as using grad school and he went back to Mongolia, yes,

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Speaker 2: and bought a horse and ended up like staying with

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Speaker 2: these nomadic people and kind of hearing about this potential

789
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Speaker 2: for a hidden sight that we're talking about and it

790
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Speaker 2: intrigued him. Oh, yeah, a lot, obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's really awesome. It's something we've discussed on

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Speaker 3: the show a lot before, using light ar and other

794
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Speaker 3: new technologies to be able to find hidden tombs, hidden

795
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Speaker 3: archaeology that exists out there in the world and he's

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Speaker 3: actually doing it, and he convinced in this case National

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Speaker 3: Geographic to go out and you know, fund his research

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Speaker 3: and fund his journeys. Pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Light ar is stands for light detection and ranging.

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Speaker 1: It's a remote sensing method. You've probably heard when we

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Speaker 1: talked about law civilizations, how this technology has been used

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Speaker 1: and luckily for Lyn and Co. This has rest by

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Speaker 1: leaps and bounds. Nor were you mentioning that drone that

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Speaker 1: used light.

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Speaker 2: R Yeah, he's got a really like early When I

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Speaker 2: say early, I think this is in what two when

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Speaker 2: the doc came out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he started his search I think started in eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, at that time drone technology was

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Speaker 2: it's like the military thing we always talk about, where

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Speaker 2: it's they hold back stuff or they only have like

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Speaker 2: the good stuff for the big boys in the military,

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Speaker 2: and then it eventually trickles down to what I like

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Speaker 2: to call prosumer technology, where it's going to be quite

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Speaker 2: expensive to get a good one. Uh.

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Speaker 5: And they had one.

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Speaker 2: They had I'm not sure exact Matt. You may have

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Speaker 2: mentioned what the model might have been of the drone.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: The Actually it was definitely a.

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Speaker 2: Really tight drone equipped with some kind of light our

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Speaker 2: technology that they could use to do topographical like aerial maps.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Jonathan, our own Jonathan Strickland went to

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Speaker 3: CEES that you were a version of ce S at

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Speaker 3: the time and talked about those first prosumer drones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you were correct. They also used satellite imagery.

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Speaker 1: They had some assistance from some satellite companies, and with

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Speaker 1: this and the LDAR, which they describe as non invasive

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Speaker 1: ground based imaging, they were able to identify and study

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Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of archaeological sites, including some ancient burial mounds,

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Speaker 1: none of which so far have turned out to be

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Speaker 1: the con.

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Speaker 2: We should point out too that it's a big deal,

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Speaker 2: big important part of this as that the Mongolian government

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Speaker 2: they won't let anybody dig. There's no dig policy. So

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Speaker 2: this was his solution to like, let's do a virtual dig.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also so very quickly they run into

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Speaker 1: this problem. We're gonna let's talk a little in depth

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Speaker 1: about this because this is the most well known recent

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Speaker 1: search and the one that has the highest probability of success.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, he did it very smartly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So He also crowdsourced. Their team said, look, we're

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Speaker 1: getting way too many images. We're getting way too much

844
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Speaker 1: stuff to go through. If you are interested in this,

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Speaker 1: you do not have to be a PhD level archaeologist.

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Speaker 1: We want to use you as what doctor Lynn called

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Speaker 1: a human computation network. So they got thousands of quote

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Speaker 1: citizen archaeologists, that's what they called them, to review more

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Speaker 1: than eighty five thousand images from this that they had

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Speaker 1: gotten through this company called Digital Globe, that's their satellite partner.

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Speaker 1: And these were images of that forbidden zone that's the

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Speaker 1: name of it. That's where you cannot dig, and parts

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Speaker 1: of that area used to be entirely restricted to royal

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Speaker 1: families a mongolia. So it's a big deal for people

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Speaker 1: to even be able to go out there. And he

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Speaker 1: published a paper about this called Combining GOI one Satellite

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Speaker 1: Remote Sensing UAV, Aerial Imaging and geophysical surveys in a

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Speaker 1: nom detection applied to Archaeology sex CE.

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Speaker 3: It's really cool.

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Speaker 2: The kicker, right is these anomalies because when you look

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Speaker 2: at the aerial footage, there's stuff down there that's clearly

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Speaker 2: man made.

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Speaker 5: He says, if it's like squared.

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Speaker 2: Off looking su or it's these little nipple looking things,

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Speaker 2: little bounds kind of.

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Speaker 5: That's quote unquote like odd.

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Speaker 2: But he said the sheer amount of data was just

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Speaker 2: two too too, too much for a team of however

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Speaker 2: many he had access to to to mess with and

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Speaker 2: just to mine through it all. Hence the crowdsourcing. So

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Speaker 2: he basically got a bunch of people to do a

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Speaker 2: bunch of gruntwork for him for free.

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Speaker 3: Well, the images were roughly one pixel to one meter.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing, so like you're literally looking at all of

875
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Speaker 3: the land space.

876
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: That's a lot of computer enhance.

877
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then what did the aggregate look like when

878
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 2: all the results were in all these clicks, all these people, yeah,

879
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: taking on these deals. What did they get back that

880
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: made it interesting?

881
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: They had a distinct lack of a two of Genghis

882
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: cons too, but they.

883
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: But they saw clusters of things that could kind of pinpoint.

884
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Right, so they were able to yeah, map out civilizations

885
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: places where it may be more likely for the tomb

886
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: to uh be located, especially if the folks from Nuan

887
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: dynasty were correct and that there was some sort of

888
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: knowledge of the tomb's location and that the cons were

889
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: secretly buried.

890
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 5: There was a thing about it being betwixt two rivers.

891
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: Or something, and so back to and the proximity to

892
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: the mountain of course.

893
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 5: Right, that's right.

894
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: I think they found what he redescribed as an iron

895
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: age tomb, but it had just been picked clean by

896
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: grave robbers, he said, looking for barrowheads or something. Yeah. Yeah,

897
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: but you're right, Ben, they you know, all this cool tech.

898
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, didn't amount to a whole hillo hilicon.

899
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: One other helicon of one of the other really cool

900
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: things they had where the lidar actually back in backpack

901
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 3: style or something. So they're walking around across these areas

902
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 3: that have been you know, clustered together, with a bunch

903
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: of different people seeing them, and they're walking just with

904
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: a lighter on their back.

905
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I want to do that, Bat, I want that for you.

906
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: I feel like you've earned that.

907
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: Actually kind of rolling cart version of it too that

908
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: I saw in the video that I was a little

909
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: confused about what it was. But they definitely had a

910
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: lot of tech and that was a big part of

911
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: the of the of the show was how much gear

912
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: they had, you know.

913
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: And we can't downplay what they found because they found

914
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing, astonishing things. They just found those

915
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: as a result of searching for the thing that they

916
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: have yet defined. And that's because there are and this

917
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: is maybe the strangest part of today's story. There are

918
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: some massive problems with the search. Noel, you and I

919
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: like we briefly mentioned the terrain because, first off, spoiler alert,

920
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Mongolia is the definition of remote. Most of the country

921
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: outside of the capitol Lambartour does not have roads or

922
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: root cities. There's still many communities living in the nomadic

923
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: tradition on the steps. And then just for comparison, I

924
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: found this fascinating and this really set it in stone

925
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: in my mind. Mongolia is more than seven times the

926
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: size of Great Britain and it has about two percent

927
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: the amount of roads that Great Britain has.

928
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so funny. I recently took a flight over

929
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: the Great Salt Flats in Salt Lake City and that

930
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 2: was the closest kind of terrain that I could kind

931
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: of compare to this. It's not desert, but it's very

932
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 2: like you look down and it's like there's nobody down there. Yeah,

933
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: there are no roads, and it's like I felt like

934
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: I was flying over the moon and it was beautiful,

935
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: but it's also like very alien. I have a feeling

936
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: there's a similar quality over there in Mongolia.

937
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: There was one yeah, when I drove through the salt

938
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: flats on a completely non sketchy thing, and it was

939
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: one of the few times in my life I thought, Man,

940
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: if the car breaks down, that's it. It's over for me.

941
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 5: Yike.

942
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: They think a good point too in the documentary how

943
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: they take older trucks and stuff because they're easier to

944
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: fix out in the field, and there would be like, no,

945
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: you're not going to find a volkswagon shop, you know.

946
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: And even with those trucks that have like four x

947
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: four capability and stuff, they have to send some people

948
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: on horseback, yeah, to different sites, right stuff.

949
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, oh, I see what you're saying.

950
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: Because they couldn't get right up onto it with the vehicle,

951
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: they had to like send out parties.

952
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's totally true.

953
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: What we need to do is have teams that go

954
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: in behind the search, teams that can set up supply lines.

955
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there we go, right. Yeah.

956
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: I think that's how we conquer this whole thing.

957
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: So that was the smartest little detail of CON's brigade

958
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: that I'm like, wow, that is they really had it

959
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: figure it out.

960
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 1: There's also some speculation that climate change played a role

961
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: in the expansion of the empire because they did they

962
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: were running out of resources agriculturally to feed people. Sure,

963
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: and I always I hadn't considered that, And maybe that

964
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: played a role in the later environmental laws that he instituted.

965
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: There was another video that Auto played after the documentary

966
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: talking about it was an Australian fellow who tried to

967
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: follow the path that the Mongols would have taken, and

968
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: he kept running into the problem where there wasn't enough

969
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: grass for the horses to graze on, so that the

970
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: horses would get skinny over time.

971
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 5: And you could picture that happening. Wow for real, like

972
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 5: back in the day.

973
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: If it's like the resources aren't there, you can't feed

974
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: your horses, You can't feed your horses, you can't only

975
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: going on with this nomadic lifestyle.

976
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: The only way is forward to find the way they

977
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: call them in Song of Ice and Fire excusing Game

978
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: of Thrones, the sheep people.

979
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, the lamb's men people. Yeah, that's right.

980
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: And here here's the strangest, most disturbing part One of

981
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: the reasons, possibly one of the reasons that the tomb

982
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: is yet to be found despite all this blood, sweat, tears,

983
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: and amazing technology applied to the question, is that some people,

984
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: many people, do not want it to be found, especially

985
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: native Mongolians. They don't want the tune to be disturbed.

986
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: This is often described, at least here in the West,

987
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: in terms of a curse. They'll say that Mariy Kravitz

988
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: died because he got too close was cursed, and this

989
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: idea is that disturbing or even discovering the grave of

990
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: the Khan will set in motion this catastrophic series of events,

991
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: triggering something like World War three. However, what's interesting here

992
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: as well is that many Mongolians who reject these spiritual

993
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: concerns and say, ah, the idea of a curse is

994
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: just a bunch of gobbledegook, they still don't want the

995
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: tune discovered. In their opinion. For people who would consider

996
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: themselves skeptical but want this to remain unknown, their opinion

997
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: is that if it was the Khan's wish, it was

998
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: Djengis Khan's wish that his body not be found, then

999
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: his wishes should be respected. This mixture of fear and

1000
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: respect is codified the modern day. The mountains that often

1001
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: come up as candidates in the search for the tomb

1002
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: are still considered sacred. There were recent reports of a

1003
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: Mongolian researcher and a journalist who I believe was British

1004
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: who were not still not allowed in the modern day

1005
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: to climb Burkhan Khaldoun because they were women. Yeah, and

1006
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: it's still now it used to be. The area that

1007
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: used to be known as the Ikkorg or Great Taboo

1008
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: is now called the Khan Kental strictly protected area. It's

1009
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: a World Heritage site and because of this designation it's

1010
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: been off limits to most researchers.

1011
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: Which a strictly protected area, Yeah, which lend get up

1012
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: in there.

1013
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: Though national geographics got some pull.

1014
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: He tells an interesting story about how near the end

1015
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: of their project, at some point after they've been there

1016
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: for a while, he was approached by our representatives of

1017
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: the local shaman.

1018
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 5: Yes, and there's this great story leader.

1019
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: It's clearly the central you know kicker of his ted

1020
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: talk moment where he I'm shaking and.

1021
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: Why are you here?

1022
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 5: Why are you here? And who are you?

1023
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: And asked them all these very existential questions. But ultimately,

1024
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: isn't like angry, isn't like get out, isn't like don't

1025
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: do anything, because at the same thing, at the end

1026
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: of the day, they're not going to dig it up.

1027
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: They're just like trying to get some answers. And you know,

1028
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: but my big question to you guys is who cares?

1029
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: Why what?

1030
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 5: What's what?

1031
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: What's what's there to find? Why do we need to

1032
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: see a body? Why do we need to see these remnants?

1033
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: Because it could create a watershed moment in archaeology. First off,

1034
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: it would it would clarify the questions about the death right.

1035
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: It would it would also from the perspective of any

1036
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: Mongolian parties who want the tomb to be discovered, it

1037
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: would be a massive cultural boon.

1038
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1039
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: We would also probably find a lot of stuff that's

1040
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: buried with him that would answer questions about engineering, questions

1041
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: about human technology at the time that we wouldn't know ordinarily.

1042
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 5: But I think we don't have that from other sources, right.

1043
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: I think the yeah to continue. I think that the

1044
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: primary appeal for many people who are not Mongolian is

1045
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: the proving or disproving of various myths. This is old

1046
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: enough for a lot of it to be essentially legend, okay,

1047
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: and then also a bit of romanticization. I don't think

1048
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: we can escape that. I think there's clearly a bit

1049
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: of a rosy picture people paint. But I have a

1050
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: question for you guys, which is, what about this this

1051
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: curse thing? It doesn't come out a whole cloth. I mean,

1052
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: we've seen other historical leaders have their tombs described as cursed.

1053
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true.

1054
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: This guy named George Edward Stanhope Marlneau Herbert a k a.

1055
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: The Earl of Carnavon was quite a fancy man who

1056
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: fancied himself an amateur egyptologist.

1057
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: Is that real?

1058
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's he was the Earl of.

1059
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 6: Carnarv Carnarvon, Carnarvon, let's call it. Don't like it, come

1060
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 6: at me, britz, But yeah, he he apparently actually grew

1061
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 6: up in a High Claire castle, which is the estate

1062
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 6: where they filmed Downton Abbey.

1063
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: So very fancy by he.

1064
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: Does.

1065
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: But he also really was into Egyptology and single handedly,

1066
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: using wielding his influence and his obscene wealth, paid for

1067
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: an expedition to open the tomb of the boy King

1068
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: King Tutan comment.

1069
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 5: Looks like rain to them.

1070
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 7: Okay, yes, so what happened, Well, he hired this young,

1071
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 7: upstart archaeologist, kind of a Brendan Fraser type his prime

1072
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 7: not modern day Brendan kind of sad.

1073
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 5: Howard Carter was this man's name.

1074
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: They had met through a guy named Gaston Mospero, who

1075
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: is the Director general of the Egyptian Department of Antiquities.

1076
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, they opened up this tomb and they found

1077
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: all kinds of crazy stuff. And very shortly after visiting

1078
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: Thebes to visit the site of the spoils of his investment.

1079
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna call him Carnarvon as as is befitting his station.

1080
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: He died in short order after getting get this bit

1081
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: by a mosquito.

1082
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: Whoa. So we got like the malaria or somers.

1083
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 5: Some real bad And I'm not going as far.

1084
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I didn't know was a common

1085
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: but man, what a kick in the pants or a

1086
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: bite in the leg.

1087
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's its own you know, that's almost its

1088
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: own episod, the Curse of King tut Right, Yeah, we

1089
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: could do we already do that.

1090
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: I know we've done a video for sure. It all blurs.

1091
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 3: But search if search for it, see if you can

1092
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Speaker 3: find it, and let us know before yes. Please.

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Speaker 1: There's one other example of a curse that, oddly enough,

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Speaker 1: is related to mongol stuff as well, and that is

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Speaker 1: Temor Or, often called tamer Lane in the West. This

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Speaker 1: fear of grave consequences. Oh get it? Do you get it?

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Speaker 1: In that?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Grave, yep, great consequences.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Let's sit in it. Everybody's sit in it. No kidding,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This this, this fear echoes concerns that regard

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01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: the discovery of the legendary grave of Tamerlane or Timor.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen forty one, Soviet archaeologists discovered the grave of

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Speaker 1: this guy's, a fourteenth century Turkic Mongolian king in Samarkand

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Speaker 1: it's a location called gert Emir So in fact. Okay, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's just we cut it in the original edit. But

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Speaker 1: at first I mis pronounces Germer.

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Speaker 3: I honestly don't know if you did mispronounce it.

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Speaker 5: It's unclear.

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Speaker 2: But it's the opportunity to just make a sweetish chef joke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, it's done.

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Speaker 3: You guys gotta go for it. You already did it? What,

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Speaker 3: Go ahead and try it if you're listening. Yeah, everybody,

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Speaker 3: everybody where you're jogging past right now will just think

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Speaker 3: you're a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sty'll say it together, ready, three.

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Speaker 1: Two one, Yeah. It's the location in Samarkan where they

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Speaker 1: found the tomb, and it bore a warning allegedly of

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Speaker 1: a terrible fate that would befall any and all who

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Speaker 1: disturbed the dead king's slumber. One worse than me will rise.

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Speaker 1: Immediately afterward, according to the story, the Nazis invaded the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union, launching World War two's Eastern Front. So two

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Speaker 1: days after the tomb was opened, on the night of

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Speaker 1: June twenty second, Nazi Germany declared war invaded the USSR.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people linked it with the open of

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Speaker 1: that tomb, and the expedition was immediately wound up. The

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Speaker 1: remains of the guy were sent for study in Moscow. Coincidence, right,

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Speaker 1: especially when we consider World War two was already in

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Speaker 1: full swing. People who believe in that curse think there's

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Speaker 1: an additional fact. They say the turning point of the

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01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: war occurred at the Battle of Stalingrad and the Soviets

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Speaker 1: one exactly a month after, Stalin ordered the government to

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Speaker 1: return Timour's remains to Somarkhand and bury him with full honors. WHOA,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I think it's a coincidence. I

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Speaker 1: think you don't need a supernatural curse to be decent

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Speaker 1: enough to not desecrate a grave.

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Speaker 2: Also, our egyptologist, amateur egyptologist, Fancy Boy was known to

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01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: have a bit poor health. And you know, if you

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01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: if you're if you're not healthy, something like a blood

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01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: borne illness from a mosquito, who might take you out

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Speaker 2: a little quicker.

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Speaker 3: You talking about Carner Helen.

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Speaker 5: Lord Carnivore.

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Speaker 2: Ok, But actually Arthur cronen Oil is one of the

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Speaker 2: ones who spread the idea of this curse with as

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Speaker 2: pertained to the touch. So ah, kind of fool those people,

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Speaker 2: But he was a bit of a fabuloust right.

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Speaker 1: And a fictionist. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It is a great tale though, right it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, if I ever am fortunate enough to die,

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Speaker 1: then I am obviously going to have some sort of

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: curse inscribed. Yeah that's what you want, right.

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Speaker 5: Like Shakespeare does he have one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good friend, for Jesus sake, for bear to dig

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Speaker 2: the dust and close it here blessed be man that

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Speaker 2: spares these stones, and cursed be he that moves my bones.

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Speaker 1: Oh did you notice the rhymes?

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01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of invented rhyming, didn't he.

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Speaker 5: Shakespeare.

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Speaker 3: Francis Bacon is so so just awesome guy.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so curses are common.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is as we end today's episode. First, we want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for hanging out with this, and we

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Speaker 1: want to ask you do you think this tomb should

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Speaker 1: be disturbed or found, especially if the people who are

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Speaker 1: descended from this empire don't want it.

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Speaker 5: To be found.

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Speaker 2: I am of the mind definitely not leave well enough alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, don't disturb the ground if you're not invited.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And that's sort of the point of a curse, right,

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01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: It's like, don't mess with my stuff?

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Speaker 5: Are you gonna get cursed?

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Speaker 1: But also a lot of this depiction of it as

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Speaker 1: a curse, I feel like it comes from the West,

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Speaker 1: Like I couldn't find anything in Mongolian culture that said

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Speaker 1: this tomb is specifically cursed. I just found it being

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Speaker 1: the wishes of the man interred.

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Speaker 2: There, sort of like the old Kennedy curse. We sort

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Speaker 2: of imposed this notion of a curse of a curse

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Speaker 2: on a series of unfortunate events.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that sounds like a Netflix show Eight Children, a

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01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: children's popular series of children's books. Oh, I don't know

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 1: We're so pressI it. This episode, by the way, let's

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Speaker 1: just say we recorded.

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Speaker 8: Okay, all right, and Netflix, and and of course by

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Speaker 8: Jengis Khan, who, as his motto has always been, don't disturb.

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Speaker 5: My grave, Rip rip old Jangi.

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Speaker 1: And like the legacy of Genghis Khan, we didn't even

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Speaker 1: talk about the weird genetic stuff, right, which stuff you

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Speaker 1: should know has a great episode on Like his legacy,

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