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Speaker 3: Hello Hurdlers. Emily Abadi here bringing you Episode one twenty

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Speaker 3: eight of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast, wars it down

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Speaker 3: For today's episode, I am chatting with Olivia Perez. She's

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Speaker 3: How do you embrace I'm just pivoting a little bit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for anybody that's like on social and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, in reference to what you were saying about,

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Speaker 2: Love what you just said about, Like you're teaching people

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Speaker 3: I can't pinpoint, and I'd be curious to know if

443
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 3: you can. Like a moment where I was like, this

444
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 3: is exactly how I'm going to show up online, and

445
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 3: this is it, Like this is just who I am

446
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 3: right right for someone to reach out for tips or

447
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,479
Speaker 3: to gain a better understanding, it's like I want to

448
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 3: offer to you. But I also have to take a

449
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 3: step back and reflect about my personal journey and think

450
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 3: where was there a time or a point where I

451
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 3: just made the conscious decision this is how I'm going

452
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 3: to show up and that's it exactly. So you make

453
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 3: the transition and you come to New York, and it's

454
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 3: definitely different than La. But how long into your stint

455
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 3: here do you think to yourself, like, man, this is

456
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 3: this is the joint.

457
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 2: Oh God, I hate and love this question. I feel

458
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: like I had so many different waves of New York.

459
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 2: I think my college years were obviously amazing but also challenging.

460
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: Like going to college in Manhattan is the craziest experience

461
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 2: of all time. You're automatically thrown into adulthood and you're

462
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 2: really just taking classes at night.

463
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: And that's the way I treated it.

464
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: You know, I was working, I had internships my entire

465
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: college career, and I would hit class every night around

466
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 2: six seven o'clock, and it was it was a really

467
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: crazy experience. I think I really started to hit my

468
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: stride once I launched a Friend of a Friend in twenty.

469
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: Fifteen, which at the time was a blog.

470
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: We were like really in the peak of like the

471
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: blog personality blogger area era, and I wanted to kind

472
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: of like flip it on its head a little bit.

473
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 2: I call it a blog because I feel like it's

474
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 2: just kind of like the easiest thing to describe it

475
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: at this point, But really it was like a contributor network,

476
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't really writing firsthand. I had friends in

477
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: college that were coming on and writing about like new restaurants,

478
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 2: when new travel destinations they had tried, and it really

479
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 2: was just like a place where college students could find

480
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: something different in our community. But I think after that

481
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: was when I really started to plant my feet.

482
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: In the ground a little bit more in New York.

483
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: And I give this advice for like anybody that's moving

484
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: to either like a big city for the first time

485
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: or moving to college and like feel like they're going

486
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: to get lost, get involved in as much as you

487
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: possibly can in your school. I know that sounds lame

488
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: to some extent sometimes, especially when people are like you

489
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: think I should join a sorority or a frad n YU,

490
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: and I'm like, honestly, finding community in these new places

491
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 2: is what's going to change your life. And once I

492
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: had like found that community through my blog and I

493
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: also was the creative director of like the NYU Fashion magazine,

494
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: those two communities like really gave me a firm ground

495
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 2: to stand on, and I knew that I had a

496
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: community of people around me that were like minded and

497
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: would challenge me and support me at the same time.

498
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 2: So I think that's when I really started to be like,

499
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: oh wow, like this is the place for me. And

500
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, with like a new site and a new

501
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: kind of job, there were new opportunities and I was

502
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: getting to experience a lot more. I was getting invited

503
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: to more things, I was meeting more people, and all

504
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: of that was really exciting for like a twenty something

505
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: year old in New York.

506
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then chat me through the evolution of friend

507
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 3: of a friend from when it was just some people

508
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: you know, giving pointers and stuff on this blog, as

509
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: you call it, to growing into something a little bit bigger.

510
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I'm I I want.

511
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: I can't stress this enough if you're on social media

512
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: or you start something at a young age, because we

513
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: are at a time where like everything's at our fingertips

514
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: and anybody could start anything at any time. It's okay

515
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: to evolve and it's okay to change. And I think

516
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: that that's something that isn't really talked about enough often.

517
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: You know, I had started this website when I was

518
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 2: twenty and essentially, obviously I was saying earlier, it's it

519
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: was a blend of reviews and places and destinations to

520
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: go to, and then there was another side of the

521
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: website where I was interviewing people that I thought were

522
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: up in commerce, and I've always just had kind of

523
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: like an instinctual like eye and ear for that. I

524
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: was always really interested in people that I thought were

525
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: doing something cool, and I had a feeling we're gonna

526
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: continue to do something cool in time.

527
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: So, you know, at the time, I'd.

528
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Interviewed people like Sophia Richie and Simmy Hayes who are

529
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: in incredible DJs, and Giji Hadid was on there, and

530
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: I just was interviewing people that I kind of like

531
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: knew through like an arms reach, and I thought we're

532
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: just doing something really fun and interesting at the time,

533
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: and that ended up being the hit of the website,

534
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: and like all those people were just kind of starting

535
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: their careers out at the time, so I was like, oh,

536
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: people are really interested in learning about other people and

537
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: learning about career trajectories and understanding kind of like you know,

538
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: what goes on behind the scenes of all of these things.

539
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: So as I got older, I I evolved, and kind

540
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: of so did the company, where I was, you know,

541
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: not really passionate about the blog side of it anymore.

542
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: And then the podcast industry started booming, and I was like,

543
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: what if I take the best thing, the best thing

544
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: that kind of feeds my soul and also is like

545
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: feeding my audience a soul, and turn it into a

546
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: podcast and I'll interview people and it, you know, I'll

547
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: have someone on every week and we'll talk about the

548
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: ups and downs of building something. And that was kind

549
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: of that was kind of the thought process behind getting

550
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: to where I am now. But I like love telling

551
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: that story because I think it's just so important to

552
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: reiterate that, like it's not always what you start is

553
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: not always going to be like the thing that sticks forever,

554
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: and like it's not going to be the thing that

555
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: that defines you or who you are. And like being

556
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 2: able to like identify what's working and what's not and

557
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: like evolve and grow from there is like the best

558
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: thing that you can possibly do when you've started something.

559
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 3: This makes me think of what Jesse Israel talks about.

560
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: And I know you recently had him on the show

561
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 3: as well.

562
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: I did, and like we had such a great time

563
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: talking because our stories are so similar in that sense.

564
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: I love what he had to say about just.

565
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: You know, evolving totally. I mean, he was so stressed

566
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: about what he was putting in his Instagram bio that

567
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: he was afraid to make a change because he was

568
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: worried that people at first would judge him. But when

569
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: he was able to make that change and just embrace

570
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: the pivot, he was able to find so much more

571
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: clarity and happiness and like totally save off and rid

572
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: so much anxiety, And how awesome and beautiful is that?

573
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: It's really cool?

574
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: You know, I think I saw something the other day

575
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: that I see often, but it's like your life on

576
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: the outside is nowhere near as important as it feels

577
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: on the inside. And I think that that needs to

578
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: be thought about in every single part of your life.

579
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: And you know, if it doesn't feel good, if it's

580
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: not working for you, like you're the one that has

581
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: to live with that decision and live with that choice.

582
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: So make sure it's what you're really passionate about and

583
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: what you're excited about, so when you show up for

584
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: it every day, it makes you happy and you want

585
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: to make it better.

586
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: And you want to make it better. So you mentioned

587
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: originally upon coming to New York that you had that

588
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: internship at teen Vogue in terms of working quote unquote

589
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: for someone else, did you have any other stints while

590
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: you were at MYU.

591
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, I would still love to work

592
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: for somebody else. I would be honored to work for

593
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: somebody else, I think. And I'll go back to kind

594
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: of what I was saying earlier. We're in a time

595
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: where like everybody can kind of start anything. We have

596
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: so many resources at our hands. But if you're a

597
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: college student, get a couple jobs first, like get the

598
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: experience of like what it's like to understand processes and

599
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: like be in an office and be a manager or

600
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: be managed. Like all of that dramatically changed my career

601
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: and my mentality and the way that I work.

602
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: But after I was at teen Vague, I was at

603
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: Arimes for a little bit.

604
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: I did PR, I worked for Ryan Seacrest and entertainment writing.

605
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: I worked for Glossier in.

606
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: Like their retail development and like influencer strategy. And then

607
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: I was at Spring, which was the startup app, like

608
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: the shopping app. It was basically a marketplace where you

609
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: could buy from a bunch of different places in one app.

610
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: And I was like head of their like influencer marketing too.

611
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: That was like what I did right when I got

612
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: out of college. So I like really dabbled around. I

613
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: was like, I want to try all of these things.

614
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: I want to see what fits. I think the most

615
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: important thing about interning is like you're not going in

616
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: there to figure out what it is that you do,

617
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: Like you're going in there to figure it out what

618
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: it is that you absolutely hate, so that you never

619
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: do it again.

620
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Right right? And I love like you said, like you

621
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: were dabbling in so many different things when it came

622
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 3: to securing these opportunities. Did you have to kind of

623
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: reframe the way that you were approaching each of them

624
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: and like pivot a little bit in terms of your

625
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: resume or how did that all happen?

626
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's so interesting.

627
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: I actually never thought about that particularly. I think what

628
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: did help me in like grounding that was what I

629
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: was studying in college at the same time as you know,

630
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: what I was trying to do as like my extracurricular

631
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: there was always a through line of storytelling though, so

632
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: I was able to kind of, you know, build my

633
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: resume around that. And I think that's also really important,

634
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: like figure out what the through line is, whether it

635
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: was like at teen Bogan Entertainment and fashion, you know,

636
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: PR is all about storytelling so I was doing that,

637
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: and then for Ryan, I was writing entertainment stories based

638
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: off like pop culture news, kind of like E news.

639
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: There was just always a like grounding force that I

640
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: think is really important. I think a lot of people

641
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: don't go into it being like I'm going to try

642
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: six thousand really really different things. You kind of have

643
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: to have a similar theme to make it all.

644
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: Work, right. You mentioned getting that teen Vogue internship before

645
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: even showing up, and I reflect on my different internships

646
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: that I had because I majored in journalism at Yukon,

647
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: and it was like when I got my first internship,

648
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: it was really all about persistence. It's not that I

649
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: wasn't qualified, but like, how many people are qualified that

650
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: are reaching out to all the people that you're also

651
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: reaching out to, And in that effort, what are you

652
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: going to do to make yourself stand out? I think

653
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: I was just persistent, and in that persistence, I kept

654
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: reiterating what all of my best attributes were and why

655
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: they just couldn't go on without me. Yeah.

656
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: I think two things.

657
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: One the Teen Vogue internship, I actually I will say

658
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: I totally got lucky. I had a friend whose friend

659
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: was heading up entertainment there and she was desperate for

660
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: an intern and she asked me on the spot, she

661
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: was you know, I was having a conversation with her

662
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Speaker 2: about what I wanted to do and what my goals were,

663
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Speaker 2: and she was like, my friend actually just told me

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Speaker 2: she's looking for an internship. Do you want me to

665
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Speaker 2: pass your resume? And before even asking what department it

666
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Speaker 2: was in what it would be for, I said yes, immediately,

667
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Speaker 2: I said I will go to the office tomorrow and

668
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Speaker 2: take an interview. I think just that that persistence, you're right,

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Speaker 2: but also just that like conviction in myself and knowing

670
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Speaker 2: that like, no matter what it was, getting my foot

671
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Speaker 2: in the door there would be imperative to my career.

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Speaker 2: I knew I always wanted to work in the fashion

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Speaker 2: closet at teen Vogue. That was a dream of mine

674
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Speaker 2: and honestly something that when I got into school there,

675
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Speaker 2: I was like, your goal is to as a senior

676
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Speaker 2: work in the fashion closet at teen Vogue and then

677
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: be able to get a full time job there. Like

678
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: that was my manifestation. And so when I got the opportunity,

679
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: I was like, just take whatever it is, show them

680
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: how good you are work your ass off, do everything

681
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: they say, and I bet you after your first term,

682
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: you could ask to move to the closet and fingers crossed,

683
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Speaker 2: you'd get it.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened.

685
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Speaker 2: So I was working my dream job my second semester

686
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: as a freshman in college, and that was just because

687
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: I took I took whatever came my way. And I'm

688
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: so grateful to Team Voue because they took a chance

689
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: on me. But you know, you're not always going to

690
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: have the internship of your dreams. You have to do

691
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: a couple of them to get to where you want

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 3: I also think, I mean a valuable sentiment, and that

694
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Speaker 3: is just the willingness to go after what it is

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Speaker 3: that you want and be okay with the possibility of

696
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Speaker 3: being told no. Yes, some people are just scared to

697
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Speaker 3: be told no, and so they don't go for it

698
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: at all, you know, totally, totally okay. So we're at

699
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: NYU and we're an entrepreneur already and we haven't even

700
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: graduated yet, We're doing so many things.

701
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Speaker 1: Yes, what was I thinking?

702
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: Were you overwhelmed?

703
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: I think I was so excited about all of it

704
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: that I didn't ever really feel the chance to be overwhelmed.

705
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Speaker 1: I really looking back on it, like, yes.

706
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Speaker 2: It was crazy, but I was just so grateful to

707
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Speaker 2: be doing it and so excited about all the opportunities

708
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: that were being thrown my way that I just don't

709
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: think I ever was like fully like, oh my god,

710
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: this is too much. I also, I'm not going to lie,

711
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 2: like I was very strategic with my college courses, Like

712
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714
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716
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Speaker 2: the same time and work and go and like take

717
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Speaker 1: So you know, I was really diligent.

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Speaker 2: I was kind of a nerd, like not looking back

720
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721
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't talk about this often.

754
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: And I did a Q and A on my Instagram

755
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: a little while ago, and so many people ask me

756
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: that question. And I think some people think that because

757
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: I had friend of a friend, I just kind of

758
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: left school and went gung ho with it. But graduating school,

759
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: especially now, is a really terrifying time. And I was

760
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: obviously comfortable in the sense that I had my company

761
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: and I knew that I could keep doing it on

762
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: my own, and I knew that could be my full

763
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: time job. But I also was kind of like, Olivia,

764
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: you should get a full time job. Your company can

765
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: come second, Like it's important for.

766
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: You to be in a really in a legitimate.

767
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: Working experience and see what that feels like and learn

768
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: as much as you can.

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Speaker 1: So I worked at Spring.

770
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Speaker 2: I got offered the job right before I graduated to

771
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: head up their influencer and like activation marketing. So for

772
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: my first year out of school, I took that job

773
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: and I was there for a year and I did

774
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: a ton of events for Spring. I was doing a

775
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: ton of collaborations for them, a lot of like influencer

776
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Speaker 2: marketing moments.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm so glad that I did it.

778
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: I don't regret it at all because it let me

779
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: see the back end of what I would do in

780
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: the future, and it was a really rewarding experience. And

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00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, after school, for anybody graduating right now like

782
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: I or that did just graduate, like, I'm sending you

783
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: a lot of love, because it's a really tough job

784
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: market out there. But I think what Emily and I

785
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier, and like take what you can get,

786
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: work your ass off and just get some experience like

787
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: it is that is the best thing that I think

788
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: you could do right now.

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Speaker 3: I have a random question here, and that's how are

790
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Speaker 3: im monetizing friend of a friend.

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Speaker 2: I was a cat of nine I'm a cat of

792
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: nine lives when it comes to this work I think

793
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Speaker 2: I was doing. I was doing some Instagram work for sure.

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Speaker 2: I remember my first paid ad was one for Coach

795
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: and they're still a big partner of mine today and

796
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: I love them, and same with Tory Birch. I work

797
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: with both of those brands very closely, and I have

798
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: so much gratitude for the brands that believed in me.

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Speaker 2: And from the start, I was doing a lot of

800
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: like editorial shoots, whether it was like with people we

801
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: were feature featuring or just ones that would go on

802
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: the site and we would do a lot of paid

803
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: product placement and then editorial, so like places would pay

804
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: us to write about them, we would have to bet

805
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: them first, of course, like I would personally go and

806
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: make sure that it was something I even liked before

807
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: we would take the project.

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00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: But you know, it was.

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00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: It was like a standard kind of editorial monetization of

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00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: the website. We were running like banner ads at one point,

811
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Speaker 2: but I didn't really love that. But again, I was

812
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: like twenty years old, just learning it all for the

813
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: first time, and we were also in the boom of

814
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: like the influencer world when it all first started, So

815
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: I think I tried everything. I learned, every single part

816
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: and every facet of it. I'm not gonna lie I

817
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: didn't love all of it. It's kind of a cringe

818
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: industry sometimes, but I think every industry has its cringe moments,

819
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: and we all have to you know, you kind of

820
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: have to learn them.

821
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Speaker 3: All for sure. So when you stepped away then from

822
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: the spring job, where does that leave you? And where

823
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Speaker 3: are we in time?

824
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Speaker 1: We are about a year out of school. We are

825
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: absolutely terrified for our life.

826
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Speaker 2: We are saving up enough money to know that even

827
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: if it wasn't enough to get me through that I

828
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: would have six months of cushion. I was very vocal

829
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: about this at the time because I was, you know,

830
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: kind of telling the story on my Instagram about me

831
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: leaving and kind of going off on my own. Going

832
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: off on your own is a scary leap, and I

833
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: had a lot of friends that were doing it at

834
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: the same time, so I was grateful for that support system.

835
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Speaker 1: But one have your support system.

836
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Speaker 2: Do your research, like make your make sure that you

837
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: are financially sound and that you are able to take

838
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: that leap, and that you have a little bit of

839
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: cushion to make sure that you're going to be okay,

840
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: and have a game plan no exactly your revenue streams

841
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: what you're going to do on a day to day basis,

842
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: because before you know it, it's up to you to

843
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: schedule your day and just be ready. Just you know,

844
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: you're your own CEO at that point, and you know

845
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: you are in life, but in that at that point,

846
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: you really are, so you have to be ready to go.

847
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: The full nine yards.

848
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: At that point, I was like learning how to like

849
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: schedule meetings with myself and kind of organize my day

850
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: and it really paid off.

851
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: But it's definitely a scary it's a scary leap.

852
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: What year is this around?

853
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: This is twenty seventeen because I graduated in twenty sixteen.

854
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, So you've done like an obscene amount

855
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: in the past four years.

856
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the past four years.

857
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 2: I mean those that first year and a half after

858
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm transitioning to freelance, Like you're really just finding your footing.

859
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: And I know that that sounds like a long time,

860
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, I was given a new slate.

861
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: I was given like a kind of a new chance

862
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: to figure out what my next move was. And I'll

863
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: reiterate it again that it's like so important to be

864
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: okay with evolving and being okay with taking the time

865
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: to just think you don't always need to be doing something,

866
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: you don't always need to be executing and showing the

867
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: next thing that you're doing. It's okay to take time

868
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: and think and plot your next move and do it

869
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: with intent and know what your next STEP's going to be.

870
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: And so that's what I kind of did.

871
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: The year after I left Spring and when I started

872
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: going freelance, I was still my monetization method was like

873
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: I was still doing a lot on Instagram and working

874
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: with a lot of fashion brands, and I I think

875
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: that was like a big moment for me where I

876
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: like solidified myself in the industry a bit more. But

877
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: in the background, I was really plotting and planning what

878
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: would now be friend of a friend.

879
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: When you were freelancing and whatnot. I know you contribute

880
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: to Forbes now, but were you kind of dabbling at

881
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: all in other editorial No.

882
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Because Forbes was just such a fun opportunity for me

883
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: that I kind of took that, took that to the

884
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: one hundred. The Forbes thing came about towards the end

885
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: of my time at Spring. I was with an agency

886
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: that essentially got me the opportunity to go and cover

887
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: backstage for the Victoria Secret fashion show in Paris for

888
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: Forbes's snapchat. They were looking for young contributors to kind

889
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: of switch up the platform a little bit and talk

890
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: more from like the lens of the millennials about like

891
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: fashion and lifestyle and beauty. So I went and did that,

892
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: and then they offered me a contributor contract, and I've

893
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: been doing it ever since.

894
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: How often are you contributing there?

895
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty, we're talking about zero. Twenty twenty has just

896
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: been it's just been different. You know, I'm not going

897
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: to shows, I'm not going to press previews, I'm not

898
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: eating at restaurants. I'm barely wearing fashion, and my podcast

899
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: has been a really big part of my life. And

900
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: so again it's another one of those things where it's

901
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to take up space on that

902
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: platform unless I really have something to say. But like

903
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: last year, I was contributing like once or twice, like

904
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: once once a.

905
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 3: Week pretty much.

906
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: But you know, again, I'm really intentional about the things

907
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: I do. I don't want to just put them out

908
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: there to just kind of.

909
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: Keep it up.

910
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: But I got to pick it up again because people

911
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: really loved it, and I think I just want to

912
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: make sure that it's the right time.

913
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: Talk to me about what happens when the friend of

914
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: a friend podcast really becomes like a solidified idea. What

915
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: does that evolution look like?

916
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, it's funny.

917
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: I had so many friends that were like chirping in

918
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: my ear about starting a podcast for a really long time.

919
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: So it was like in my brain for while.

920
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: I had been a big part of my career when

921
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: I was you know, between spring and kind of getting

922
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: out and freelancing, was hosting and moderating panels. And it's

923
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: still one of my biggest passions today. I have so

924
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: much fun doing it. I think I feel really natural

925
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: on stage obviously from my childhood, and I love interviewing

926
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: and I love journalism, and I love that like in

927
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: person aspect audience.

928
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: Like my dream one day would be to have a

929
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: talk show like that.

930
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: So those like in person moments were really really fun

931
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: for me and I it would there was something special

932
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: about it that wasn't being captured in like when I

933
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: would write for Forbes or if I was doing something

934
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: on Instagram, So you know, I was trying to find

935
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: what that right medium was.

936
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: You know.

937
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: It was like so deeply ingrained in me from the

938
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: website and all of these things. I just couldn't really

939
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: figure out what it was that would be the right

940
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: way to do it. And once I was like, Okay,

941
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: you know what, let's do a podcast. It took me

942
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: way longer than I think I thought it would to

943
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: get it together, but it really was just deep diving

944
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: into the end of and you know, really learning all

945
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: these things myself. I think that's a really important characteristic

946
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: of being an entrepreneur and wanting to be an entrepreneur,

947
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: is like it's a lot of self learning. Like I

948
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: went on there and learned how to use all the

949
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: apps and how to edit an episode and how to record,

950
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: and like I was literally recording out of like a

951
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: little room in the wing when I first started out,

952
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: and then editing the episodes myself and like getting them

953
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: up on an RSS feed. So you know, it was

954
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: very makeshift in the beginning. And I'm really grateful that

955
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm now at Your Media. They signed me onto their

956
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: network and they helped me a lot with the production

957
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: of it. But I'm also really grateful for that beginning

958
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: experience of like learning how to get it all together,

959
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: because now I can kind of jump in there and

960
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: help fix things whenever I need to, and I know

961
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: exactly what's going on with like every facet of my business,

962
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: which I think is really important for young people right

963
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: now that are starting businesses and might be taking on

964
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: extra help, like still learn what they're doing and still

965
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: understand everything that goes into making the finished product because

966
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: it's your name that's on it.

967
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: What was the most overwhelming part at first? Aside from

968
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: just concepting, like even that initial intro, I feel like

969
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: I for sure between seasons definitely took so much time

970
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: to really home in on what was my mission? And

971
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: now that's exactly why I say it at the beginning

972
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: of every single episode. So what was the most difficult

973
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: part for you everything?

974
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: I'm a talker, like I could interview somebody for two hours.

975
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: There's a saying that you're told when you're learning journalism

976
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: and you want to be a journalist, It's called you

977
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: have to learn how to kill your darlings. And I

978
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: know that sounds really scary and horrible, but it's really true.

979
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: When you are a journalist and you want to be storytelling,

980
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: there are things that you're going to love in an

981
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: interview and you're going to want to ask and put

982
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: out there in the world. But they just might not

983
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: fit in your story. So learning how to kind of

984
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: kill my darlings and ed it down a little bit

985
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: and get it to a point where it's a cohesive

986
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: story that I know my audience will love. I think

987
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: that's been my biggest challenge, is really really getting the

988
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: audio to a point where, like I'm telling a cohesive

989
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: story and it's engaging. You know, you have to with

990
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: these things. You have to captivate an audience for forty

991
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: five minutes. It's a scary feat and a lot goes

992
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: into it mentally, audibly, and you know, and writing wise.

993
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 3: So I think that's been my biggest hurdle right now

994
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: in this moment. Obviously you've had to You've had to

995
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 3: make a lot of pivots this year, and you mentioned

996
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: that it was good that you had the experience in

997
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: all of the different parts of podcast production. I'm sure

998
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: that's probably also come into the swing of things a

999
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: little bit this year as well. Right, Oh, yeah, why

1000
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: don't you make from the challenges that I've come hand

1001
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: in hand with twenty twenty for you?

1002
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think obviously I would be remiss to say

1003
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: if not the biggest challenge is my location that you know,

1004
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: New York became a very integral part of my being,

1005
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: and I don't think I ever realized how much I

1006
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: tied it to my identity. So I think that and

1007
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: just in and of itself, not being constantly at the

1008
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: epicenter of things and inspired by the things going on

1009
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: around me, But I think that goes on. That goes

1010
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: to say for so many places in the world right now,

1011
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: like even la is not the same in terms of

1012
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: the way that like I'm feeling inspired by things. I

1013
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: think that the biggest pivot, obviously is recording these episodes

1014
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: from home. Like my bread and butter is being able

1015
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: to sit in a room with someone and like exchange energy,

1016
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: and that's where like the gold of the interviews come out.

1017
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: I had just signed with Deer Media in January of

1018
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: this year, and we were in a studio for like

1019
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: the first two and a half months, and it was

1020
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: so much fun to just have that space to be

1021
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: able to flex my journalism muscles and really feel like

1022
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: I was on my path. So to have that kind

1023
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: of like flipped on its head literally like three months

1024
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: in was pretty jarring. But you know, it's been so

1025
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: much fun to record from home. I figured out how

1026
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: to do it all. I have a whole setup in

1027
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: my dining room and it's kind of this like fun

1028
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: joke in my house that it's like my like fake

1029
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: little glam room. But I also I in thinking about

1030
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: the theme of my show and the goal of it,

1031
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: which is to kind of like take entrepreneurs or people

1032
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: that are making big moves off the pedestal and really

1033
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: talk about what it's like to build something personally and professionally.

1034
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: There's nothing that's been more rewarding in that experience than

1035
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: like hearing their kids in the background, or like hearing

1036
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: their dog and seeing their husbands or significant others walk

1037
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: in the room and seeing what their living rooms look

1038
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: like or their office like. It's been such like a

1039
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: humanizing thing that I think has just added this whole

1040
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: other aspect to the show that I'm that was like

1041
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: that felt at first like a negative, but it's really

1042
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: been a positive, and I'm really grateful for it.

1043
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine just that swap of events. It

1044
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 3: was like January kickstarted with being such a big moment

1045
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: for you. It's like this big idea that you had

1046
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: and now you have to your media and it's this

1047
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: big partnership and you're in the studio and then all

1048
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's like and we're out.

1049
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I kind of was like, wow, But you know what,

1050
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: two things.

1051
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: One, there are way worse things going on in the

1052
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: past six months, So my little studio mix up and

1053
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: all of that, Like I constantly look at the perspective

1054
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: of it all. I'm healthy, my family's healthy, my close

1055
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 2: friends are healthy, and you're healthy, and that's like what

1056
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: my focus is. But yeah, I mean two, it's like,

1057
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: it's just I think it's added a whole new dimension

1058
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: for us and a whole new challenge to you know,

1059
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: bring the show from home.

1060
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm grateful for the challenge.

1061
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 3: What excites you right now?

1062
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: What's exciting me is the amount of people that I

1063
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: am seeing that are so dedicated to getting the word

1064
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: out there to vote. That to me is just like

1065
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm so like invigorated by it and excited by it.

1066
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many brands or partners reach

1067
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: out to me and be like, what can we do

1068
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: with you to get it out there? Like what can

1069
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: we do with our partners? What can we do within

1070
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: our orbit to make a difference? You know, even if

1071
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: it's like something like I posted something yesterday about being

1072
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: able to sign up to be a poll worker, Like

1073
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: it has just been so exciting for me to see

1074
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: all these people be really passionate about just getting people

1075
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: out there to vote. So I'm excited about that. I'm

1076
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: hoping that we defy the odds in November. And if

1077
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: you're listening right now, please register to vote.

1078
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: Please do it.

1079
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: I support it. Aside from that, I mean, you're still

1080
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 3: in LA, but do you have any other road trip

1081
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: plans or anything coming up coming into the fall?

1082
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that road trip was like a once

1083
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: in a lifetime magical experience. I think I need to

1084
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: let that sit in my soul for a little bit

1085
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 2: and like fully digest it. I am really excited to

1086
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: be on the West Coast to like re explore kind

1087
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: of my hometown. I hope to like maybe drive up

1088
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: to Montana and Wyoming. I love it up there. I

1089
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: love Jackson Hole, explore maybe a little bit of like Portland.

1090
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 2: There's so much on the side that I haven't really

1091
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: explored because I haven't lived here since I was seventeen.

1092
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for the new chapter.

1093
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: And who knows I'll let you know when the next

1094
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: road trip happens, and you guys can find the content

1095
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: on the gram.

1096
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 3: What would you say going back to kind of your

1097
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: career journey and getting to this point where I know

1098
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: so well just being your own boss and kind of

1099
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: running after it day in and day out, what would

1100
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 3: you say on this journey for you has been one

1101
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: of the biggest hurdles.

1102
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: Keeping your blinders on.

1103
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: It was the best piece of advice I've ever been

1104
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: given personally and professionally. I think I had to like

1105
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: train myself to just focus on me and myself and

1106
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: my business. And I think that's really hard when you're

1107
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: like a young actually at any age, like we are

1108
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: inundated with so much content and information twenty four to

1109
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: seven that it's so easy to get distracted or feel

1110
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: defeated or feel like you're not doing enough because this

1111
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: person's doing this. And compare yourself, and I know that

1112
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: sounds really cheesy, like we don't want to compare ourselves,

1113
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: and you know what, comparing is instinctual. We're all going

1114
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: to do it trying and put your blinders on and

1115
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, you know what, I know what that

1116
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: person did I'm going to compare for a second, but

1117
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm just going to put the blinders back on and

1118
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: focused on me and my work and doing what I

1119
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: need to do to make it work.

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00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: And I think I've like faced that in so many

1121
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: different challenges.

1122
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: Whether it was like, you know, there's a whole period

1123
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: of time where people were like, oh, she's just an influencer,

1124
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I literally do a thousand other things,

1125
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: but you know what, if that makes you feel good,

1126
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: go for it. I'm going to put my blinders back

1127
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: on and keep doing my work. Or if it was

1128
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: like you know, afraid of pivoting and evolving, I think

1129
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: having your blinders on and just thinking about like and

1130
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: just kind of working from your heart and not what

1131
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: other people are telling you or showing you is so

1132
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: crucial to you know, building something that you really love

1133
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: and that you're excited about.

1134
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 3: I never talk about this, but I feel like you're

1135
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: totally going to relate to it. So I'm going to

1136
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: throw it into the inplinics right now because you just

1137
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: said like throwing your blinders on, and then this feedback

1138
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: of like she's only an influencer, and I think that's

1139
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: something that I have been really defensive about when it

1140
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: comes to dating. I never talk about this. It has

1141
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: been has been like that initial perception of whoever might

1142
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: be on the other side of the phone that you know,

1143
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm getting to know, and their exception might be like, oh,

1144
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: she's so, she's all over social media, she's doing this thing,

1145
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: she's doing whatever, And it's like, exactly for me, it's

1146
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: always exactly what you said. It's like, I do so

1147
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: much stuff that if that's going to be your takeaway

1148
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: that I'm a public person, and that's the wrong effing takeaway.

1149
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're so we've been trained as a

1150
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: society to be able to look at a first glance

1151
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: of somebody and come to conclusions on ourself. I do

1152
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: this all the time. And guys, if you're listening, don't

1153
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: lie to me and tell me don't do it. Someone's like,

1154
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: you're going to a meeting with this person, and you're

1155
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: going on a date with this person. What's the first

1156
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 2: thing we all do? Google them, Instagram, like check them out,

1157
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: like we do all these things that allow us to

1158
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: create a preconceived notion of this person before we even

1159
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: get to meet them. And listen, googling someone before you

1160
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: meeting them is obviously really important, Like you don't want

1161
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: to get into a situation that could be dangerous. I

1162
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: really believe in checking and all that, especially if you're

1163
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: going in for a date, Like I believe that that's important,

1164
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: But like, keep your thoughts aside and let a person

1165
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 2: show you who they are before you're allowed to pass

1166
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: judgment on them.

1167
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: What would you say in twenty twenty has been the

1168
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: biggest lesson for you?

1169
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: I would say that it's okay to change your mind.

1170
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: That has been my mantra for the past couple of

1171
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: weeks now in so many ways. One in changing location,

1172
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: It's okay to change your mind, It's okay to have

1173
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 2: a new life, it's okay to for a new setup,

1174
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: like it's okay. But two, I think in the fact

1175
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: that in the past two months since the murder of

1176
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: George Floyd and everything going on on the Internet and

1177
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: all the new knowledge that we're being given and learning,

1178
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: and the way that we're kind of changing our mindset,

1179
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: Like I think a lot of people are kind of

1180
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: getting stuck in their opinions and it's okay to learn

1181
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: something new, and it's okay to change your mind. I

1182
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: think not something that I've been applying to kind of

1183
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: every corner of my life. It's okay to change, It's

1184
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: okay to evolve and pivot. And that's a really beautiful thing.

1185
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: When someone goes to your Instagram page, they see that

1186
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: you have one hundred and sixty five thousand followers, they

1187
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: see that you're the host of a podcast, You're a

1188
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 3: Forbes contributor. We haven't even talked of system of service.

1189
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 3: I need to gosh before we get out of here.

1190
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: We all have memory, and they see like, oh, look,

1191
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 3: how cute you are with this bicycle. It's so good.

1192
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: She's literally talking.

1193
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: About an Instagram post that I put up five minutes

1194
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: before this interview.

1195
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: So she's on my Instagram right now.

1196
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: I'm looking right now, so they see all this great content.

1197
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 3: When you look in the mirror, what is it that

1198
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: you see?

1199
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: Oh, my god, like a five year old child.

1200
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: No, what is it that I see? You know, I

1201
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: see like I'm twenty six. In the past six years,

1202
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 2: I've pivoted so many different times, Like I'm constantly thinking

1203
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 2: about possibilities and changes and ways that I can further

1204
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 2: be an extension for change and helping people and storytelling

1205
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: and for me, like I always have always thought about

1206
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: myself as like a vessel. I like to call my

1207
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: podcast to school because everybody that comes on as a teacher,

1208
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 2: and we're teaching something different every week, and I always

1209
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: want to be that for people.

1210
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: I want to be a place where people.

1211
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: Can learn and have opportunities and realize the possibilities of

1212
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: their own life through the fact that they're learning through

1213
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: the through the idea that they're learning about something new

1214
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 2: on the show and va me every day.

1215
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just kind of want to be like

1216
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm a school.

1217
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: I know that sounds really weird, but like that's just

1218
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: the way that I've I've trained myself to look at

1219
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: my content and my podcast and the way that I

1220
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: want to.

1221
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: Give back to my community.

1222
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: Work in progress completely.

1223
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm a work in progress.

1224
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: I dig it.

1225
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: I am a school under construction.

1226
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: Guys. We're building it. We're building the school. Yes, Okay,

1227
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: So before we start to wrap up here, just give

1228
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: me the lowdown on System of Service because I think

1229
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: it's so so important.

1230
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: Guys.

1231
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: If you're in the System of Service community and you're

1232
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: listening right now, we miss you so much. System of

1233
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: Service was started with me and Joe Holder in twenty seventeen,

1234
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: right after the election. We had thought a lot about,

1235
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, the power of like social media and how

1236
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: people have been giving back and really getting invested in

1237
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: their communities, and we kind of wanted to flip that

1238
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: on its head and be like, well, if you can

1239
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: donate twenty dollars on social media, like why can't you

1240
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: get out there and do something in your own backyard.

1241
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: So we've partnered with amazing organizations in New York, whether

1242
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: it's for Souls for Souls, the Bowery Mission, we replanted

1243
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: a garden in Brooklyn, and all of these things that

1244
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: just take like an hour or two out of your

1245
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: day to make a difference in a community. We really

1246
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: wanted to destigmatize the idea that like service is like

1247
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: kind of an overwhelming or intimidating thing, and we would

1248
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: just invite our friends and our extended community out once

1249
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: a month to physically give back and kind of see

1250
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: what it's like in different communities in our own extended community,

1251
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: and that was really the power of it. So obviously,

1252
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: right now, because of COVID, we are like rethinking and

1253
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: reimagining what that looks like. But stay tuned because we

1254
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: have some exciting news coming soon.

1255
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you how if someone is

1256
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: listening to this and they want to get involved, what

1257
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: can they do to get involved?

1258
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Well, you can follow Joe and I.

1259
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: Joe is at Outrosystem and I'm at Liftperez with two v's,

1260
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: and you can follow us on Instagram's at System of Service.

1261
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: Anytime we have an event or an update. All the

1262
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: information is there.

1263
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: Perfect, Okay, the final question, You have an opportunity right

1264
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 3: now live to offer yourself a piece of advice when

1265
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: you are let's say, fresh out of college and scared

1266
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: and unsure about what's exactly going to be the quote

1267
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: unquote right path. You have an opportunity to offer yourself

1268
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: a piece of advice during that hurdle moment right now,

1269
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: What do you tell yourself?

1270
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: Have to answer the question right now? Like, I think

1271
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: I felt really rushed when I got out of school

1272
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: and I felt like I needed a game plan, and

1273
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: I felt like people were labeling me and putting me

1274
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: in a box, and I felt really rushed to you know,

1275
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: get to that point where I'm like, oh, I know

1276
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: what my job is.

1277
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: Oh, Like I'm excited.

1278
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: About my path, and like we talked about this earlier,

1279
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: it's okay to take your time to figure it out.

1280
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that a lot of people

1281
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: go through when they get out of school. It's a

1282
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: very indecisive time, and it's a time of a lot

1283
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: of unknowns, and it's okay.

1284
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: Embrace that.

1285
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: Like, embrace the time of the unknown, Embrace the time

1286
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: of silence. Like after that time is when all the

1287
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: best things come. But when you rush through it because

1288
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: you're like afraid of the pressure, you're not going to

1289
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: really get to the heart of what it is that

1290
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: you want to accomplish.

1291
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 3: If someone has never listened to a friend of a

1292
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: friend before and they want to tune in after falling

1293
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: in love with you on this podcast, where should they start.

1294
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: Well, we're on all the platforms, so Spotify, Apple, et cetera.

1295
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: It's linked in the bio of my Instagram. We did

1296
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: an episode in January with Maggie Rogers. She is an

1297
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: all time favorite person of mine. I love her dearly.

1298
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: We went to NYU together and just hearing her story

1299
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: through her lens was a really beautiful experience. And then

1300
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: I would jump into any of the Joe episodes he's

1301
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: my best friend, and so you get to learn a

1302
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: little bit about us from a really unfiltered lens. He's

1303
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: also a brilliant genius, so you're definitely going to learn

1304
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: something new about the body in that. And yeah, i'd

1305
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: say those two, those two are pretty good ones.

1306
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: Jump in.

1307
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: Oh. Also, we're going to keep it really in the family.

1308
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: But Kirsty Godso is on the show, and she's also

1309
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: a good friend of mine, and she's also one of

1310
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: Joe's best friends. But she had a great episode two.

1311
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: I think the episodes that shine for me are the

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Speaker 2: ones when I get to bring my friends on and

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Speaker 2: really let them shine.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to plug all of them right now.

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Speaker 3: I did get so many mutual hurdlers in that I know.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it. That's

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Speaker 1: why I love the podcast industry.

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Speaker 2: It's like a big archive for all of us to

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Speaker 2: look back on in like ten years from now.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Okay, Well, thank you so much for today.

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Speaker 1: This was Oh my god, this was so awesome. I

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Speaker 1: love your show. I'm so grateful to be on here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and for all the work

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Speaker 1: that you do for everybody who's going through a hurdle.

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Speaker 3: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by

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Speaker 3: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

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Speaker 3: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 3: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

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Speaker 3: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 3: at Hurdle podcasts Olivia. How do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 3: Give me the details.

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Speaker 2: You can follow me on Instagram at Lyftperez with two

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Speaker 2: v's in there, and then all of our episodes are

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Speaker 2: also housed on Friend of a Friend dot us, so

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Speaker 2: you can follow us there too.

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Speaker 3: You're a dot us too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know dot COM's are overrated.

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Speaker 3: And expensive, so expensive, so read it.

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Speaker 1: It's so overrated. You guys can just type us. It's us.

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Speaker 3: You know it's us. It's you and me. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for your time. I'm so grateful for you.

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Speaker 3: I am at Emily a body at Hurdle Podcast Another

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Speaker 3: heard All Conquered. Catch you guys next time.