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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome back to Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: This is Talking Cowboys final week of training camp out
Speaker 1: on the West Coast, starting off on a Monday, joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for the next hour. A few practices
Speaker 1: left for the Cowboys starting this afternoon. They'll roll it
Speaker 1: through Thursday, I believe, and then head home on Friday.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips in the Captain's share filling it for Bill
Speaker 1: Jones is always joined by Brian brought us, Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 1: and Nate Newton. So gracious to join us again. How
Speaker 1: are you but special, great man? I'm you know, excited
Speaker 1: man to hear what you guys gotta say man and chiming.
Speaker 1: You know, when I get opportunity listen to this, you
Speaker 1: make time for you Like you don't have an opinion,
Speaker 1: right right? I mean I have opinion, but you know
Speaker 1: it's just I like to hear what you guys have
Speaker 1: to say, the experts, and then a guy six times
Speaker 1: such as myself, me and Rob. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Rob Novice, Man, he's saying backing right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't allow we can't allow this to don't try
Speaker 1: to soften us up. I sell you what fellas. It's
Speaker 1: been wild. Man. I gotta hit the road today. We're
Speaker 1: gonna leave today today. That's why I'm doing his last
Speaker 1: show with y'all. That's why I'm willing to listen. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm willing to be all ears now. Now you've
Speaker 1: got a long drive ahead of you. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of listening going on there. That's why you got Louis
Speaker 1: little More and you listen to tape. I've been doing
Speaker 1: that since I was six. Man. That's cool. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I've learned some things about you this trip. With your
Speaker 1: taste in music, I love it all man. He loves
Speaker 1: eighties movies. It's it's funny because with Nate, I think
Speaker 1: Nate missed his calling. I think he could have been
Speaker 1: an overnight disc jockey, one of those, you know, for
Speaker 1: stations in Detroit or Chicago. I mean, your taste of music,
Speaker 1: is is unique in a way that I would not
Speaker 1: have thought that your taste with you know, Eddie and
Speaker 1: the Cruisers. Yeah, when I was, I was like, you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, we have Alexa and Nate's Nate's talked by
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Speaker 1: content including Brian broad Us Q and A's But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been j Nate's been DJA and for Us at Night,
Speaker 1: and it's been it's actually really entertaining. The various musics
Speaker 1: about twelve times to get her name right. Alexis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Alexis Alexis, And I was like, I know, Alexa, she's
Speaker 1: got sensitive ears. Yea, it is straight. You know when
Speaker 1: you it's a lot of as your upbringing, though you
Speaker 1: know it's in various parts you cut you think, well, okay,
Speaker 1: well house music has music affect me and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a good taste, good taste of music. And
Speaker 1: he's got a good eye for practice. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: into that. And Cowboys have had a couple of practices
Speaker 1: I believe since our last show, and one guy in
Speaker 1: particular has showed up and look pretty good first time
Speaker 1: in camp number ninety four. Randy Gregory like in that,
Speaker 1: let's start off with that. You know, my point on
Speaker 1: it was, I didn't care how well he practiced. What
Speaker 1: he did in practice. The fact that he practiced after
Speaker 1: missing all that time and he's back in pads, I
Speaker 1: think is sort of a triumph pumpler itself. Uh and
Speaker 1: then anything after that is gravy. And he actually started
Speaker 1: showing some of the signs we saw of ya. This
Speaker 1: guy can rush the quarterback. You know, nothing else he
Speaker 1: can rush the quarterback. And uh so, yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good start for him. And you know,
Speaker 1: when I think the players see that, Nate, you tell
Speaker 1: me when you get an addition like that, I think
Speaker 1: he kind of juices everybody else up. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: got it. You know you're rooting for He's just a
Speaker 1: guy that everybody's rooting for us, So you feel good
Speaker 1: for him when you see him out of moving around
Speaker 1: with a team. Well, they had him in a Nickel's
Speaker 1: situation yesterday as playing that right defensive end, and you
Speaker 1: know it was against the one so well against the
Speaker 1: ones in the way of with Cam Fleming playing as
Speaker 1: the left tackle and Connor Williams playing as the left guard,
Speaker 1: but he and Tyron Crawford come on a twist stunt
Speaker 1: and Crawford got such penetration on the play that it
Speaker 1: tied up Fleming and Williams together, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's up the field and he reads what's happening
Speaker 1: with Crawford getting the penetration, and you talk about knife
Speaker 1: quickly just right behind the you know, instead of going
Speaker 1: wide in there and getting all wadded up. Yep. He
Speaker 1: he hits it, like Mickey says, with some with some
Speaker 1: angle and with some bend, and he's on. He's on
Speaker 1: Prescott and Prescott throws the ball. But what happens. What
Speaker 1: happens in the secondary? They got a busted coverage on
Speaker 1: the back end, so Tavon Austin is running free. Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a sack. Gregory pulls up and Gregory
Speaker 1: is on Prescott as he's I mean, the ball is
Speaker 1: still in his hand, and Randy pulls back. So you know,
Speaker 1: here they have this is what we talk about. With
Speaker 1: good pass rush, you bust in the secondary. But all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you get a rusher home on
Speaker 1: a good well executed twist. But that's Randy Gregory. That's
Speaker 1: how that's how you can use Randy Gregory. He's got
Speaker 1: that slinky, slippery way of doing things to get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I bet you hated guys that could couldn't
Speaker 1: tart their body like that. That the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it wasn't a good deal, man, But who cares?
Speaker 1: Nah what? I what? I look at Gregory and when
Speaker 1: I think of him, I think time is on our side.
Speaker 1: I really feel like he's gonna give it as all
Speaker 1: in all to be on that field, and as bad
Speaker 1: as I want him on the field, I want to
Speaker 1: Thinking about the other day, I asked him, I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: how you feel and just from being with the team
Speaker 1: and being around man, I guess it's that anxiety. And
Speaker 1: he said, I'm a little bit gass. He don't look
Speaker 1: at right. He said, I'm a little bit gass. And
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, maybe the coaches do know what they're
Speaker 1: doing with the trainers and bring them along slowly because
Speaker 1: he has lost his foundation outter eighteen months. That that
Speaker 1: endurance that you endurance that you have as a player,
Speaker 1: you know. So I was just glad that he was
Speaker 1: out there to talk about that a little bit though.
Speaker 1: The endurance that you talk about to play the game.
Speaker 1: As you know, and you guys been around long enough
Speaker 1: now every day is a build up. You're trying to
Speaker 1: build up. And you got equity in what you do,
Speaker 1: and you got money in the bank. And if you
Speaker 1: can get that base foundation where you where your body,
Speaker 1: it's called muscle memory. As quick as your body can
Speaker 1: get back to that, it stopped building that endurance. So okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I do, This is how I recover,
Speaker 1: and your body just builds off of that year out
Speaker 1: the year until you get a certain agent on the dcline. Well,
Speaker 1: he hasn't had no equity, no money in the bank,
Speaker 1: no nothing, so he's been running free. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's just like a guy going to workout
Speaker 1: every day. When we work out every day, were in
Speaker 1: great shape and to somebody hit us until a grown
Speaker 1: it's a difference when you get when you're getting hit.
Speaker 1: You know all of that, what the weightlifting you've been
Speaker 1: doing and running, His friend, that you ain't built up nothing.
Speaker 1: All you did was got in shape to get hit.
Speaker 1: Now you got to get in shape to now you
Speaker 1: gotta get hit to get to build that equity. And
Speaker 1: that's what he's missing. So there's two layers to it,
Speaker 1: right yeah, because he's getting that second layer right now.
Speaker 1: Before that, Jason Garrett talked about how he needed a
Speaker 1: baseline for conditioning and football movement more so than just okay,
Speaker 1: he's out here under a round going north south. There's
Speaker 1: certain football movements he needed to work with the strength
Speaker 1: coach and get used to with that. Now he's got
Speaker 1: to put the pads on and get take a little
Speaker 1: pound and come back with that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a guy training for a boxing man. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can do all the shadow boxing and running you
Speaker 1: on and hit the heavy bag, but guess what, the
Speaker 1: heavy bag don't hit you back, thank you. And you
Speaker 1: got to get used to getting hit. And and I
Speaker 1: and I you know, I saw a flumming a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Time up a little bit and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm pushing three hundred and thirty pounds, right, that's difficult,
Speaker 1: but moving. That's moving. See that, That's what I said.
Speaker 1: That's moving dead. Wait is a funny thing. Man, you know,
Speaker 1: you you you you can control it. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: to wait. You know, it's just scoring a certain way
Speaker 1: where it won't hurt you, But that way out there
Speaker 1: is moving all over the place, right, and they can
Speaker 1: hurt you, you know. But as Brian said, he was
Speaker 1: in the backfield a lot at the end of practice
Speaker 1: in that team period. He talked about the stunt, the
Speaker 1: twist he beat Rico had the play of practice to
Speaker 1: catch in practice, right, But I don't know if that
Speaker 1: would have been a catch in a game because because
Speaker 1: Gregory was busting through that line, I can't remember if
Speaker 1: he beat compos or flaming off that rights compos compos.
Speaker 1: He you can just see the natural gifts when he's
Speaker 1: out there, even in team drills. And he's added we've
Speaker 1: talked about it too. He's added Nate that that bulk
Speaker 1: up top two, he's carrying two hundred and forty two pounds,
Speaker 1: and that's that's gonna serve him well when the season starts.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think it will to it. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, man, he's been going eighteen months,
Speaker 1: so he got eighteen months of natural man strength. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know how old is he now, twenty two, twenty five,
Speaker 1: So he got that fool man strimth not. I tell
Speaker 1: you when you get a certain age and y'all can
Speaker 1: the test it is. You know, you think you're strow
Speaker 1: at twenty one, twenty two, twenty two, until you come
Speaker 1: up against the grown men at twenty five, twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty seven, you start to hit your prime as a man.
Speaker 1: And that's what he's starting to hit. So he's building
Speaker 1: his endurance, he's in shape, he's been in his his indorance,
Speaker 1: he's getting his foundation of hitting. And now he got
Speaker 1: a living of that man strength about it because I'm
Speaker 1: still getting stronger. You are here stilling out. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like what Jerry had to say when he was that
Speaker 1: you think he can contribute against Carolina and he said yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes I do. So that kind of gives you when
Speaker 1: Jerry says that that that's not him just making stuff up.
Speaker 1: That's what he's hearing from his scouts, in his assistant coach.
Speaker 1: Here's your stupid former personnel man sitting on the panel.
Speaker 1: And and I'm wanting him to make the team, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm but no, I'm wanting him to do I'm wanting
Speaker 1: him to go into the Carolina game with some of
Speaker 1: those good twists, rush some of the good one on
Speaker 1: one wins. Playing well in the preseason, you know, and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get that, maybe you get you know, get
Speaker 1: him late in some of those games and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden when you're trying to get off the field,
Speaker 1: when the two minute warning at the end of the
Speaker 1: San Francisco game, you got a guy like Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: who's capable of getting to the quarterback and not allowing
Speaker 1: the ball to go tick tick tick tick down the field.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he's a guy in the uh in
Speaker 1: the Arizona game when they go back to pass, you know,
Speaker 1: with games online, he goes and makes that play. I
Speaker 1: wanted him to make this team by him being by
Speaker 1: coming back and doing all the things necessary. But they're
Speaker 1: gonna put him on this team, and you know that's
Speaker 1: that's good. I mean, that's good for them. How do
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna, like you said, they've been kind
Speaker 1: of slow playing it be they've given him a bassline,
Speaker 1: he's now he's into pads. How much preseason work do
Speaker 1: you guys think he gets or he needs to get
Speaker 1: ready for games? Oh? I would think he's gonna at
Speaker 1: least play two preseason games and who knows. Now, you
Speaker 1: guys tell me, because I didn't think he dressed for
Speaker 1: the game. He did, he did, he went on the trip.
Speaker 1: Did it was in a dressed which which means that
Speaker 1: the uh play by play here didn't list ninety four
Speaker 1: as one of the guys that you know, I remember
Speaker 1: looking down. I remember looking down at the national anthem.
Speaker 1: That's why I saw him first. Yeah, you know all
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were lined up. Okay, so that's a start. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now it's now, maybe you get him in for a
Speaker 1: play or two. You're not nothing extensive. You don't want
Speaker 1: to get him hurt at this point. But I think
Speaker 1: those last two preseason games. Let's see what happens this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe let's see this week if he's getting more, if
Speaker 1: he's getting if they're running eight plays in a team
Speaker 1: period and he's playing in three of them, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like these other it's just like
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper and everyone else. You know. Maybe they're trying
Speaker 1: to get him ready to play. And if they can
Speaker 1: get good Cincinnati, they can get him the team to Carolina,
Speaker 1: the Carolina game, they can get him the third down
Speaker 1: he's in. Yeah, Nate, don't worry about the run. Remember
Speaker 1: you last night you're talking about Charles Haley. You have
Speaker 1: to have one or two guys on your team, and
Speaker 1: y'all had him, a Green Bay had him. Well, this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, okay, he ain't a great run stop,
Speaker 1: but let him come a past the situation. And every
Speaker 1: team has had a guy. Oh you know, I don't
Speaker 1: understand stop the run, coach. We know the quick is
Speaker 1: about the fields. To wreck the quarterback, that's the quickst
Speaker 1: way off the field. And if you got a guy
Speaker 1: that can possibly wreck that quarterback and have him have
Speaker 1: his feet tap in and getting rid of the balls.
Speaker 1: Who so I thought they affected Garoppolo the other day
Speaker 1: with the way they were side, even on the stuff
Speaker 1: on the boots and the way I mean, if they
Speaker 1: continue to have that and then develop somebody else besides Lawrence,
Speaker 1: Doran's Armstrong, to me, is got a chance. Now. The
Speaker 1: thing about Doran's Armstrong is it's been a little bit
Speaker 1: of a too deep get caught now, you're right, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's they're trying, they're really really trying to
Speaker 1: develop him as a pass rusher. But you know, Doran's
Speaker 1: Armstrong Randy Gregory, somebody help DeMarcus Lawrence on that other side.
Speaker 1: If they could get somebody Legitimi, if you can kick
Speaker 1: Crawford inside and let him go to work and say
Speaker 1: Woods or whoever else you want to put at that
Speaker 1: tackle spot Cony, Ealy, whoever. Yeah, I mean, whoever you
Speaker 1: want to try in there inside and they can and
Speaker 1: you could get some penetration like they had the other day.
Speaker 1: For that sets up stuff coming off the edge, because
Speaker 1: now you've got guys occupied. You got centners and guards
Speaker 1: occupied with inside players, and then you got tackles one
Speaker 1: on one other. Yeah, single matchups. Yeah, if you got
Speaker 1: one horse. If you got one horse, you got something
Speaker 1: special on your defense. If you got two horses, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's no way you can have a double. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: no way you can have a double. I look at
Speaker 1: the rams. When you got Sue, Yeah, and you got Donald,
Speaker 1: you can turn, you can do whatever you want. It
Speaker 1: ain't gonna work. If Sue feels good and we know
Speaker 1: Donald rockers you you you don't win it. All we
Speaker 1: need is somebody on the other side. All right, the tackle. See,
Speaker 1: when you got two horses, non't matter whether they playing
Speaker 1: tackle or whether they deem as a means. But if
Speaker 1: you got two horses, it ain't no turning. See, this
Speaker 1: is where David Irving was just second horse, right all
Speaker 1: of a sudden. If you, okay, say you do get
Speaker 1: a Randy Gregory developed and now you've got okay, Crawford's
Speaker 1: playing the one, Irving's inside on the three. You got
Speaker 1: Laurence on the left side, and Gregor, I mean, now
Speaker 1: you're tacking him with four guys. You got power guy,
Speaker 1: you got a tall guy, you got a fast guy,
Speaker 1: and you got a guy that's got a lot in
Speaker 1: the tool belt rushing on off that other side. So okay,
Speaker 1: how do you block that? How do you account how
Speaker 1: do you account for all that discarded? Malik? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, okay, Maliki, good I'm doing. But I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: if for what we're seeing right right right know, but
Speaker 1: this is where David Irving and what we know about
Speaker 1: David Irving is a pass rusher. This is where it's
Speaker 1: a problem. Now, this is you know, and then and
Speaker 1: this team might not be its absolute best rushing the
Speaker 1: passer until week five. Yeah, and that and that's and
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a shame because you know, once
Speaker 1: he gets we all know what David Irving could do. Yea,
Speaker 1: how you talk about slinky and you know, not be
Speaker 1: blocked and get inside and attack gaps and knock passes down.
Speaker 1: Capture the quarterback. We saw him do that against Green Base. Captured,
Speaker 1: doesn't throw a deep cross and with twelve seconds to
Speaker 1: go to set up a game winning field goal. See
Speaker 1: that's you know what you know, David Irvin? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what it's physical. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be physically ready at
Speaker 1: game five. No, this this is the scouts. This is
Speaker 1: the scouts. In my office, putting my hand, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at my personnelboard and I know his tag is over
Speaker 1: here on the bottom quarner. And I'm thinking, okay, what
Speaker 1: did I just Okay, who am I going to rush
Speaker 1: this week? Oh? Gosh, I need you know, I need that.
Speaker 1: You're playing the Lions. You're playing the Lions, You're playing
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, You're playing teams that have these quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: you know that that could throw from the pocket, move around.
Speaker 1: Nate brings up two many points one MALIEK. Collins if
Speaker 1: he's healthy when he gets back, that helps inside number two.
Speaker 1: We saw David Irving come in after four games that
Speaker 1: spension last year and make plays. He had seven sacks
Speaker 1: and seven eight games whatever it was. But he had
Speaker 1: a training camp in a preseason last year. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have that this season. So what you don't really know
Speaker 1: it is a wildcard. R what kind of shape he's in?
Speaker 1: What you know? How ready is he to contribute just
Speaker 1: after four games? Just start making your plans without him,
Speaker 1: and then if you get him, it's gravy. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I just don't think you can count on him right now.
Speaker 1: See this is this is where I mean, we haven't
Speaker 1: I should I shouldn't speak for you, gentlemen. I have
Speaker 1: not heard one thing about David Urban and the scamp,
Speaker 1: not one thing. Well, he's he's in California working out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was all Jerry would go, and he said, I
Speaker 1: can't talk about it, so he refused to answer the
Speaker 1: question yesterday. You know, if you look at if we
Speaker 1: look at our devons of line, we we you know,
Speaker 1: open up our cars and look at our Devensive line. Guys,
Speaker 1: you can depend on the Markus Lawrence. Guys. You can
Speaker 1: depend on Tyrone Crawford. Guys, you can depend on talk
Speaker 1: with child for what he can give you. Guys. You
Speaker 1: can depend on guys. You can depend on guys, you
Speaker 1: can depend on. You ain't got no more names. You've
Speaker 1: got some. You got some young fellows inside shrugs, and yeah,
Speaker 1: so Daytone Jones is actually stepping Dayton Jones has been
Speaker 1: better than Ward. Yes, yes he's and and you know
Speaker 1: and now that you have you know with his situation
Speaker 1: and you know, I there's got I I felt all
Speaker 1: along there was gonna be guys on this team, especially
Speaker 1: this defensive line, that was gonna that we're gonna cut themselves.
Speaker 1: We cut themself. They were gonna play and we still
Speaker 1: got games to go. But when they when it gets
Speaker 1: to the end, whoever their best nine guys are ten
Speaker 1: guys that'll be their best guys the other guys, like
Speaker 1: Nate says, he named off four guys and then he went,
Speaker 1: depend on depend on it. But you can't know, you can't.
Speaker 1: But we'll we'll know. We'll we'll know if we can
Speaker 1: depend on Dorance Armstrong by the end of this, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll know if we could depend on Randy Gregory by
Speaker 1: the end of this I believe, which is which is
Speaker 1: why these these preseason games are not just a nebulous exercise.
Speaker 1: They're important that I think they're important to this team's growth.
Speaker 1: It's not like, Okay, let's throw them out there eight
Speaker 1: plays and everybody's out and let's put the scrubs in.
Speaker 1: This is the important discount more than an account we've
Speaker 1: seen in the last five years, and y'all may have
Speaker 1: seen something different than me, but this is our first
Speaker 1: truly competitive camp in five years. I'm talking about offensive
Speaker 1: line and defensive line. I'm talking about the power and
Speaker 1: swiftness and athletic ability of our offensive line versus fast,
Speaker 1: athletic defensive line. Price. You know, we hear his name. Woods,
Speaker 1: We hear his name. We didn't hear that last year, right,
Speaker 1: you know we hear guys, you know, and as good
Speaker 1: as David ever it is to all of us and
Speaker 1: how we feel about him. You know, maybe one or
Speaker 1: two of these guys can as a unit replace David
Speaker 1: Irvy as a unit. I'm talking about maybe Price, maybe
Speaker 1: Woods as a unit, because what he does, he's a
Speaker 1: game changing David ivers a game change. So when you
Speaker 1: lack that don't know how many teams have a game change.
Speaker 1: It ain't many teams have game changes, like David Irvy.
Speaker 1: So now we gotta look who can give us this
Speaker 1: in a cluster? Do you feel any better about this
Speaker 1: defensive line? Um? Then, compared to last years ago, three
Speaker 1: weeks ago when you got on that airplane he came
Speaker 1: and landed here. Did you feel better about that group
Speaker 1: now than you did when you we got on that
Speaker 1: airplane a little bit? In both spots, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: Dayton Jones, I thought he played well the other night. Um.
Speaker 1: And then it's specifically a defensive end. It's always nice
Speaker 1: to have ninety four out there and looking like he's
Speaker 1: making progress. But I'm with Nate, Dorence Armstrong looks like
Speaker 1: he could be a player, and I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a ten sack guy as a rookie. But
Speaker 1: we had a mail back question this morning. This is
Speaker 1: a good question. Why don't we get to that when
Speaker 1: we come back from our break. Let's continue talking about
Speaker 1: the defensive line for the Cowboys. Who's showing up and
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Speaker 1: the way, check out Brian's notes scouting notebook from Sunday's practice.
Speaker 1: A lot of good nuggets in there. Who stood out
Speaker 1: at practice? Maybe what didn't go so well at practice?
Speaker 1: It's on Dallas Cowboys mobile right now. Today's mail bad question?
Speaker 1: What'd ye? What'd you think about that? How does Dorian's
Speaker 1: armstrong look in camp this year compared to Taco Charlton's
Speaker 1: camp as a rookie last year. That's funny you brought
Speaker 1: that up because I was getting ready to ask the
Speaker 1: same thing. Who great mine? Panel? Here? What do you think, Mick,
Speaker 1: He keeps his feet a lot better than Taco kept
Speaker 1: his feet last year. That's what I said. He's natural.
Speaker 1: That's that's the that's this is a good this is
Speaker 1: a good scouting report. This is a good scouting reports. Natural. See.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that Dorance Armstrong has a
Speaker 1: better feel for how to rush the passer than Taco did.
Speaker 1: I think nothing against Taco, but to me, even though
Speaker 1: he went to school at Michigan and played some big
Speaker 1: time football, I don't think he was a natural pass
Speaker 1: rusher coming out. I think there was some struggle there.
Speaker 1: I think he was he was struggling with his his strength.
Speaker 1: I think he was struggling with his moves. I think
Speaker 1: he was struggling with his plan of attack. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got a better plan of attack now. Armstrong, on
Speaker 1: their hand, is not gonna give you the same move.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna he's He's a little bit more bendy,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more flexible, and I think he's
Speaker 1: got a little bit better reach, even though Taco's got
Speaker 1: I think he's got a little bit better reach to
Speaker 1: effect ways in the pocket. He's he is better at
Speaker 1: this point, Armstrong is better than Tacco was at this
Speaker 1: time last year. What do you what do you mean
Speaker 1: by he's a natural name because he can line up
Speaker 1: and he looking at that defensive he looking at that
Speaker 1: offensive tackle and he may have one thing in mind.
Speaker 1: But if you kind of can mess with him, he
Speaker 1: can adjest. Yeah, he can aggest. But now his first
Speaker 1: thoughts is when he lined up, you can see in
Speaker 1: his eyes like I'm beating you. Whereas you line up
Speaker 1: in tacle. He got up and he listening to the
Speaker 1: Lion laden Marion Nelly. He listening to a number ninety,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he lines up and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: out of the eight moves, I just heard, which one
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do? Well, it might be I know. You're right.
Speaker 1: It's like a pro golfer. That's how you know. It's
Speaker 1: like a golf swing swing mechanics, SSS, swing mccannic. If
Speaker 1: you're swinging it, well, nobody says a word to you.
Speaker 1: You just hit the ball. If you're like pulling him
Speaker 1: into the woods every day, it's like you got five guy,
Speaker 1: will listen. You need to kind of turn your hand
Speaker 1: and you need to take your right foot and put
Speaker 1: it back. And then the other guy comes along. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: turn your hand over, open your stance. This you know,
Speaker 1: and now you now, now you're now you're really Yes,
Speaker 1: nobody anybody ever give Charles Haley advice. Nah, tell Haley
Speaker 1: crush you, yeah, cush. But that's I think that's what
Speaker 1: I think. That's the problem. Even though the Taco there
Speaker 1: has been improvement, he does have a lot of people
Speaker 1: telling him what he needs to do. And you could
Speaker 1: tell what it happens to him. He gets crossed up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean get crossed up that you. Oh no,
Speaker 1: here comes the rush right down the middle. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like he's like he gets caught into thinking do
Speaker 1: I go rip swim combination? Do I extend left arm? Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because he will go right and they say,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of halfways stopped that heat going
Speaker 1: into a late span and all of a sudden on
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, you'd be like, and where's the dance?
Speaker 1: He just get there and he bends that corner and
Speaker 1: if you get him, he'll try to grab you. Oh,
Speaker 1: he'll try to push it up. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: counter to a counter. And that's what Tap hasn't learned yet.
Speaker 1: When he learns that, which the scouting part I read
Speaker 1: on him was he wasn't to start his first few
Speaker 1: years right, but as time went on he grew into
Speaker 1: the position, Yes, what is you may not never make
Speaker 1: it out here if you know, if you don't hurry
Speaker 1: up fast. He has looked better in this camp. I
Speaker 1: do and like you said, more and he number one,
Speaker 1: he needs to stop. If it ain't Tyron Smith, if
Speaker 1: it ain't number seventy one, he needs he need to
Speaker 1: tell a coach, I ain't rushing against Chad. When I
Speaker 1: ain't rushing against number sixty three, there's no growth in that.
Speaker 1: There's no growth in that. I would not well. And
Speaker 1: the thing about it, though, is he gets going and he,
Speaker 1: like it said, he gets crossed up. He's thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this move along the way. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set him up with a quick you know,
Speaker 1: And I say a quick move, A quick move. He
Speaker 1: didn't have a quick move. He's trying to develop a
Speaker 1: quick move if he can win on the first step
Speaker 1: and then get you know, see this, this is what
Speaker 1: this is where I thought. Last against the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: I wrote about this on the on my notebook today
Speaker 1: in practice. Yesterday dat got him on a third down
Speaker 1: play on the on the read, on the read option
Speaker 1: stuff sucked him down. And but last week in the game,
Speaker 1: what do he do? He played his assignment, He stayed wide,
Speaker 1: he chased Garoppolo's throwing it out a bounce, Bethard's throwing
Speaker 1: it out a bounce. But he's you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: get sucked downtil. You're thinking, ah, assignment, taco good, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, playing my assignment. Yeah, but here and then
Speaker 1: you see it You're like, oh no yet. But that's
Speaker 1: just that's gonna happen with him and he and he
Speaker 1: needs to develop more consistent. If I think if he won,
Speaker 1: I think if he had a day where he won
Speaker 1: two or three times, say in a row, then maybe
Speaker 1: things would flip that switch for him that he would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is how I have to do it. You you
Speaker 1: blocked guys for years, years and years. How many moves
Speaker 1: does an edge rusher need in his toolbox? Two? Two,
Speaker 1: two great moves and one counter? And that counter can
Speaker 1: be whatever it need to be. Off of those two
Speaker 1: great moves, because uh what what what? What? What beaches
Speaker 1: that freak ability that he called it end ability to flexibility,
Speaker 1: that that you can have a guy blocked, but if
Speaker 1: they got that ability to twist and turn in and
Speaker 1: get that arm out there, yeah, man, And they get that,
Speaker 1: and they always Richard Dent, Lawrence Taylor, Charles Hayley, no
Speaker 1: matter how you blocked them, they always was rushing. And
Speaker 1: if you check yourself, they always be this far away
Speaker 1: from the quarterbackst in hand. They always be this far away.
Speaker 1: And so they continue to work you the whole game
Speaker 1: until that fourth quarter calm and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you see you in the yaw you looking around it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he finally got it. You know, you
Speaker 1: thought you had him, but he had been working you.
Speaker 1: And see it's a game plan. That's what number ninety has.
Speaker 1: He has a game Yeah. Yeah, it's clear he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see it doesn't he's not affected by whoever
Speaker 1: he rushes again, Right, he's just as good at seventy
Speaker 1: as he is against seventy seven. I mean it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a pitcher, right, you don't need eight pitches.
Speaker 1: You throw a fastball, curveball, change up, maybe a good slider.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do that, right, You're gonna succeed. I don't
Speaker 1: need a knuckleball. I don't need the slurve or any
Speaker 1: of that sinker. If my fastball is good, then I'm good, right,
Speaker 1: and then everything else works off of that. So if
Speaker 1: you got the ability to come off that edge like that,
Speaker 1: then they got to be conscious of that, and then
Speaker 1: you come up with your other moves. Offensive lineman hate
Speaker 1: not having hitting surface, yes, they because it's all about
Speaker 1: their hands. If you make an offensive lineman feel uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with his hands, yes, then yeah, with Connor Williams, if
Speaker 1: you make him feel uncome comfortable. And that's where he
Speaker 1: was talking about the guys like Taylor Dent. You know
Speaker 1: those guys DeMarcus where you don't give them a place
Speaker 1: to put their hands. That's tough because they're always like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're still rushing. You know, I can't. You know, you
Speaker 1: never slow the rush down. That's where that verbbin comes
Speaker 1: in the bend. Yeah, you know, and if you, like
Speaker 1: I said, the good ones can get really small and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're missing with that hand off
Speaker 1: a shoulder pad. Now he's on you. Oh wait, I've
Speaker 1: got to get my left hand now. Oh wait, now
Speaker 1: he's buying me with that hand. You make offensive lineman
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with their hand placement, you can affect the way
Speaker 1: they block, and the good ones can do that. You
Speaker 1: know what. I don't know if this was by design
Speaker 1: or they were just running plays on offense, but when
Speaker 1: Gregory was out there, after a couple of plays, the
Speaker 1: tight ends started lining up on his side, right they did.
Speaker 1: They started chipping him. Yes, that Yeah, great observation because
Speaker 1: Garrett told us that, hey, we're gonna go bone on
Speaker 1: bone and just run football plays out there. And that's
Speaker 1: what I think. For three periods it was just straight team.
Speaker 1: You know, you throw your defense out there, will throw
Speaker 1: offense out there. We'll compete a little bit. He does
Speaker 1: in Randy has that gift that bend to be able to, yeah,
Speaker 1: become a small target. I did not see him in
Speaker 1: one on one's yesterday name looking forward, and I thought
Speaker 1: he did one or two. I thought he took one turn.
Speaker 1: Did he not do one? I don't know. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: He took him out. Yeah, he patted up with his
Speaker 1: helmet like he was gonna get one, And I thought
Speaker 1: I saw the okay, Michael Gallut and I'm just using
Speaker 1: this out third round, Pete. He is positioning himself where
Speaker 1: is no where in the world you cannot give him
Speaker 1: a bunch of opportunities when the reel, when the season stars, No,
Speaker 1: when the where you cannot give him opportunities. He's positioning
Speaker 1: himself like that. Right now, this kid Armstrong is positioning
Speaker 1: him himself where you cannot pass him up against him
Speaker 1: if he keep going the whey he's going like Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup is going away. So he's defensive version. Yea. See,
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why earning reps. That's why I'm so
Speaker 1: excited because you said it when we got off the plane,
Speaker 1: when y'all got off the plane and I drove up
Speaker 1: when you got out the car. Yeah, we was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I defens line gonna get killed. And from the very
Speaker 1: first day everything changed. From the very first day when
Speaker 1: they first got together and did their version of what
Speaker 1: they call an inside run, and I said, man, who
Speaker 1: is number sixty four, Wow, number ninety two is doing
Speaker 1: a good job. And it hasn't changed. So when I
Speaker 1: look at this kid, I'm sure I'm saying now, and Broden,
Speaker 1: you gave him a good grade. And I listened to
Speaker 1: you that day like broden slightness, dudy, like his d
Speaker 1: place man. I said, I'm gonna watch this kid. That
Speaker 1: was my guy coming into camp. This guy is not disappointed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not disappointed. Now let's see how the games play out.
Speaker 1: And I know he may not play a much in
Speaker 1: the third game, but you cannot I have him. I
Speaker 1: will be high to disappointment. He's inactive? What riv? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: And because no one else has really stepped up and
Speaker 1: yeah and said, you know echo that is they started
Speaker 1: moving Ealy inside because he really hasn't shown the speed
Speaker 1: on the outside to play the defensive end spot. So,
Speaker 1: not to change the subject, but somebody else, I thought
Speaker 1: is starting to step up in a very needy position.
Speaker 1: Is Kadeem Edwards. Have you guys took some reps with
Speaker 1: Marcus Martin out last couple of days some additional reps?
Speaker 1: Didn't did he not? Is it three straight reps in
Speaker 1: the compete? Sill yesterday? Who's it against? It was? It was?
Speaker 1: Was it? Any won all three? It was the first compete.
Speaker 1: I remember practice. I remember that a guard. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: great eye by Mickey there because I noticed in the
Speaker 1: one on one Mark Colombo hiss like that's it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he has a good set,
Speaker 1: he's not off balance. Everything works, and in Colombo like
Speaker 1: you know, he has a good rep. And Mark Columbia
Speaker 1: is the assistant line coach goes over hits him on
Speaker 1: the back. Yes, that's it. That's what you gotta do
Speaker 1: right there. That's perfect, you know. And he's encouraging him
Speaker 1: and so you know, build the guy up as long as,
Speaker 1: like you say, he's having good reps. He is playing
Speaker 1: an important position. But because Nate, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: after him, you're the next best guard out there. No, no,
Speaker 1: I just do not. He's not went through this with
Speaker 1: other guys. And that is another guy I have to
Speaker 1: I have to see play because what I've become accustomed
Speaker 1: to now in the modern day era is I'm serious
Speaker 1: and the mode of day are is a lot of
Speaker 1: guys don't practice well, I don't they play better than
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, And so I gotta see in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's I think the thing that you and
Speaker 1: I've seen is the strength. Yeah, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And it's easy for those guards to do. You could
Speaker 1: tell if a guard doesn't have strength, quickly, quickly. But
Speaker 1: but compared to what else they got behind him, I'm
Speaker 1: not right. Here's the eighth lineman this team. You September
Speaker 1: first and say, okay, let me see what else is
Speaker 1: out there. Because Martin's not playing regardless if he has
Speaker 1: surgery or not, he's out for a while. I mean Collins,
Speaker 1: Collins was in the same boat Lyle and any last
Speaker 1: year surgery, it was a two years ago, two years ago. Guy,
Speaker 1: the years just run together. He had the torn ligament
Speaker 1: in his toe Chicago Bearer game. They debated whether to
Speaker 1: have surgery. He ultimately had surgery. He didn't play again
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. And seeing the only reason
Speaker 1: he's not having surgery right away, he went for a
Speaker 1: second opinion. But even if the second opinion says you
Speaker 1: don't need surgery, it's like you can't opinion you need
Speaker 1: to have surgery. Yeah, yeah, it's not like the doctor
Speaker 1: made a mistake, right, all right, I've been making this
Speaker 1: go ahead and go ahead, go ahead now negative, we
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. We gotta go. We gotta
Speaker 1: go to analyzing us. I don't want to be too negative.
Speaker 1: Carry carry Analyzer. Just be honest. Don't worry about being negative.
Speaker 1: Carry'll tell you if you're not doing. Absolutely I believe
Speaker 1: this in today's you don't. When I played, you have
Speaker 1: five six weeks to get in shape. You don't have
Speaker 1: five or six weeks to get in shape because you
Speaker 1: spend your first five weeks before you come to camp
Speaker 1: getting out of shape, so by time you get back
Speaker 1: in shape, camp is over and you have not helped
Speaker 1: help your team. Whereas when I played, you have five
Speaker 1: or six weeks to get in shape. So Martin, no, Nah,
Speaker 1: it's you know you know who else was falling into
Speaker 1: that category. Noah Brown Brown, He's gonna get left behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gotten back in showing some stuff last year. He
Speaker 1: showed some toughness last year, but he didn't show what
Speaker 1: Lanceleneur show and fourteen showing up. Let's grab Brad and Virginia.
Speaker 1: Thanks for holding before we go to the next break.
Speaker 1: What's up Brad? So big fan, y'all? Thank you? Is
Speaker 1: Joe Looney? I like to I like seeing what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing out of him. Is he ever getting the chance
Speaker 1: maybe competing with the guard spot there with Collins or
Speaker 1: is he just mainly going to be the backup center?
Speaker 1: Thank you y'all take care of God bless, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks Brad. Probably talking about Connor Williams, maybe maybe I
Speaker 1: think he's the backup center guard. It's a valuable position.
Speaker 1: It is a really valuable I mean, it's just like
Speaker 1: last year when we talked about how valuable the backup
Speaker 1: tackle was going to be, right, and it was invaluable
Speaker 1: because they didn't have anybody. Joe Looney was your starting
Speaker 1: he was with the Ones yesterday. It was a veteran
Speaker 1: day for Travis Frederick. So Travis Frederick did not participate.
Speaker 1: So Joe Looney in and they went to their offense
Speaker 1: like they do. Let's pull the center, Let's pull Martin,
Speaker 1: Let's Tay Williams, let's pull you know that's where that's he.
Speaker 1: You can't follow him Looney Tunes anymore. Joe Looney, is
Speaker 1: he without a doubt, he's that sixth best guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's that sixth best guy without a doubt. I mean,
Speaker 1: uh he he this dude two three years ago I
Speaker 1: got through training camp off him. He was so funny
Speaker 1: to watch and I'm like, how is he gonna make
Speaker 1: the team. But he's taking things a little bit more serious. Man.
Speaker 1: He's conditioned and one of the one of the best
Speaker 1: reconditioned bodies I think I've ever seen was when Ron Leary.
Speaker 1: If we all remember Ron Larry lost his job and
Speaker 1: then you know with Collins, and then what happened, Collins
Speaker 1: gets hurt, Ron Larry comes in and they never missed back.
Speaker 1: They never go back to to Collins a death spot.
Speaker 1: And that's I think what Joe Looney has done is
Speaker 1: he has slimmed down. His mobility is better. He's got
Speaker 1: to work on the high snaps. We've seen some of those.
Speaker 1: You don't want that to happen. And him, I was
Speaker 1: gonna crest Joe. Go ahead, go ahead, But I think
Speaker 1: I think that Nate's right. He used to. But okay,
Speaker 1: so your seventh best is your is flaming your seventh
Speaker 1: best line? Yeah, okay, your eighth best lineman is we say,
Speaker 1: Kadeem Edwards at this point, who are the other options here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, and you guys talk to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: You guys talked to a lot of people in this
Speaker 1: at work, in this front office and coaching staff and
Speaker 1: all that, What are you hearing about Chad's green other
Speaker 1: than what Garrett said to us yesterday? Is Chad's green?
Speaker 1: Now they hey, we're pulling for Chad's green, but we
Speaker 1: know what Chad's green is and it's not good enough.
Speaker 1: I asked the question yesterday, Uh, if there's any thoughts
Speaker 1: of moving them back to guards since your guard depth
Speaker 1: has diminished, and I got the headshake and it was like, no,
Speaker 1: I think he's a better tackle. I'm not sure he's
Speaker 1: a guard so so as a tackle, so he can't
Speaker 1: make them. He he is not playing well in for
Speaker 1: them to have to keep him instead of a kildema. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked about this last year, right, there's point. They
Speaker 1: tried him a guard last year. Oh yeah, and decided
Speaker 1: it was not gonna keep him at tackle. And I
Speaker 1: think you know you remember he started starting, He started,
Speaker 1: then he got hurt and they put Barron Bell or no, no,
Speaker 1: the other guard in there that played wasn't very good,
Speaker 1: the Cooper, Jonathan Jonathan Cooper. And then when he came back,
Speaker 1: they decided, well, we could live with Cooper because we
Speaker 1: need a backup swing tackle that's more important. And then
Speaker 1: he got his opportunity and his confidence were like down
Speaker 1: his leg. Yeah, he was shattered. So now you've invested
Speaker 1: trying to build him back up at tackle. I don't
Speaker 1: think you want, but look at it this way. You
Speaker 1: would like that other tackle to be a developmental spot
Speaker 1: on your fifty three man ross compos But have you
Speaker 1: seen anybody that's worth developing? Maybe a practice squad type guy? Yeah? Right, potentially,
Speaker 1: you know. I I sit there, I'm hopeful that somebody
Speaker 1: tries to sneak somebody through and if this pro department
Speaker 1: has been on it that the Jets tried to move
Speaker 1: this guy in or the way they're trying to the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers are trying to sneak this guy, and you're willing
Speaker 1: to claim that that night. I mean, look at who's
Speaker 1: the next guy up or a guard is Stanton? Yeah
Speaker 1: he's not been either. Sixty three one thing. We can
Speaker 1: rest the shares every day we get that same thing, Mama, Mama,
Speaker 1: he's in there too. Yeah, sixty I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: something for for a group of guys that I know
Speaker 1: I was. I was how Martin Fleming, Uh, Joe Loony,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we got we have a dress they
Speaker 1: fixed along with Connor, and I knew it was gonna
Speaker 1: struggle living with Connor, but I'm like, Okay, we've fixed
Speaker 1: this and saying, wow, man, we don't have the linebackers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be saying, well, I don't bugs looking pretty? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good question. Let's want to hit it
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Speaker 1: were all sitting around. It's funny how dinner for us
Speaker 1: is at nine o'clock at night now, eleven Central back
Speaker 1: eleven Central dinner. The question at the table was the if,
Speaker 1: the if? The if? Everybody feels like I'm again not
Speaker 1: putting words over his mouth, but if you feel like
Speaker 1: the offensive line is their best position, what is the
Speaker 1: second best position? You Know, people were saying, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: it's the corners, maybe it's the maybe it's the defense
Speaker 1: on whatever you think. I think it's the linebackers. If
Speaker 1: you watch the play of the linebackers, I think it's
Speaker 1: the second best position player to player of the of
Speaker 1: the groups that we have out here. And I was warning,
Speaker 1: what you, gentleman Mickey out to start with. My answer
Speaker 1: last night was linebacker, Yeah, because I think the depth
Speaker 1: is so much better than it was last year, just
Speaker 1: better because of Joe Thomas. I mean, Joe Thomas looks
Speaker 1: like he is a player. And then you got your
Speaker 1: first round draft choice to add to that, because last year,
Speaker 1: after you got past Hitchens and if Hitchens was starting,
Speaker 1: then you really didn't have anything behind it. So and
Speaker 1: I think with Sean Lee on the field, and we
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of Sean Lee, right, that's right.
Speaker 1: I got back into teamwork this past last couple of days,
Speaker 1: last couple of days, right before that, you're looking at
Speaker 1: the linebackers, going Okay, Jalen Smith looks like a different
Speaker 1: guy Amy and Wilson once Sean Lee gets on the
Speaker 1: field is a different guy. Uh. And they've they've got
Speaker 1: some some depth there. I think guys that can do
Speaker 1: more than play special team. I wouldn't have said this
Speaker 1: or I wouldn't have agreed with you going into camp, Brian,
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure see what you think. But Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas is the key for me because the question going
Speaker 1: into is, Okay, you drafted Laton vander esh, You're gonna
Speaker 1: bring him along. He's gonna be a middle linebacker for you.
Speaker 1: Do you have a guy like Hitchens who can play
Speaker 1: multiple spots and fill in if needed. Joe Thomas is
Speaker 1: the one eating up these reps when Sean Lee's getting rested.
Speaker 1: He's a He's a better Anthony Hitchens at will linebackers.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yes? You know Anthy Hitchens as
Speaker 1: a MIC. I love Anthony Hitchens as a WILL. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking maybe not as much, but he's still yeah, he's
Speaker 1: still yeah. Serviceful is a very good word. I think
Speaker 1: you plug in Joe Thomas at that will and you
Speaker 1: don't miss a beat. And I mean that in respect
Speaker 1: to you know, it's not a huge gap. It's not
Speaker 1: And I know it's terrible radio to hold your hands
Speaker 1: up if you're watching. Yeah, we got cameras here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got cameras, but you might be not. You might
Speaker 1: be driving home like Nate and you know you're listening
Speaker 1: to me. I'm holding my hands up a foot apart.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not that huge gap. I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that Joe Thomas edition in the stack position, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that, but I think the thanks for clarifying that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but this might be one of those editions that we
Speaker 1: look back on at the end of the year and say, oh,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin, Joe Thomas, you know where was you know,
Speaker 1: Chris Rochard, who was the who was the difference maker
Speaker 1: for this football team? Yeah, I think that's I I
Speaker 1: and I like march Lillard. I like Justin march Lillard
Speaker 1: as well. I think they've got some good guys at
Speaker 1: that spot. And it's a shame that he got sick,
Speaker 1: but Covington was He's back out there today. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's back out there now, you there. No, I got
Speaker 1: our first six offensive liman and and I think I
Speaker 1: got our first six. But I'm telling you you said
Speaker 1: it that Joe Thomas as a will. But I promise
Speaker 1: you if we need a Mike, he's sitting there, he'll
Speaker 1: see he'll play Mike. Yeah, because when me and brought
Speaker 1: us is watching film on him, Mick and Rob. He
Speaker 1: makes the plays he's supposed to make. If you make
Speaker 1: a mistake, that play turns into what he's supposed to
Speaker 1: make into a big play. He's always around the ball
Speaker 1: to tip ball by came on Phrasier. He makes the
Speaker 1: plays he's supposed to make, and if you make a mistake,
Speaker 1: he'll make a bigger play. See this is where and
Speaker 1: yesterday too. I'm like on the notebook this morning, I
Speaker 1: wrote about if you saw it late. They had a
Speaker 1: compete period with the young guys, but he happened to
Speaker 1: be on the field for the for the defense. Well,
Speaker 1: they try and throw a slant inside the JUNI, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's Mike White. He tried to throw the
Speaker 1: slant and what happens. Thomas reads, the slant drops and
Speaker 1: now you got length going in the air. I can't
Speaker 1: remember the last time I've seen a outside linebacker read
Speaker 1: to defend the slant, you know, and White's gonna I mean,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a catch because they've Duke Thomas's beat
Speaker 1: to the inside. Right, they're gonna they're gonna get this slant. Now,
Speaker 1: say Mike White might have held the ball. We've you know,
Speaker 1: we've that's kind of a documented thing right now. But
Speaker 1: when you see an outside linebacker defend the slant and
Speaker 1: knock a ball away, that's a guy that's locked in
Speaker 1: and playing well. You seeing that. That was the part
Speaker 1: a lot last year when we would try to say
Speaker 1: how they were doubling Dez Well, one of the things
Speaker 1: they were doing right linebacker and buzz him out, and
Speaker 1: then Dez is he's chopped meat there. He can't run
Speaker 1: that route. So that's how you can double a linebacker,
Speaker 1: I mean a wide receiver pass that stunt. Well issue,
Speaker 1: my issue is this here, he's gonna say, when when, somehow,
Speaker 1: if something happened to Sean Lee, the first guy ain't
Speaker 1: our first round pick at this point, right, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: right about that. Yeah, it's been playing, they've been moving
Speaker 1: and give him some snaps. Yeah yeah, And see my
Speaker 1: my issue is, and my issue is, is this team
Speaker 1: tough enough to say at this time, Layton, we love you.
Speaker 1: What Joe doing is a little bit better. I mean
Speaker 1: it's always been uh that first round, second round, third round,
Speaker 1: and then you know me. Now, if I figure Gut better,
Speaker 1: then I go with a better guy. But if if
Speaker 1: Laton this much behind him, I'm going with Laton. But
Speaker 1: this guy has separated himself. Are you showing your heads? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I'm one in front. Each other's stacked. But you agree
Speaker 1: or disagree. The second the best lineback on that field
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys other than that, I felt was the
Speaker 1: number forty. If I had to play the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 1: and something happened to Shanlee or Jalen Smith, I'm putting
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas. That's what I'm saying. Okay, he's that he's
Speaker 1: he's trust. No, bro, he's not on the trust. He's
Speaker 1: played better and by the way, so why do you
Speaker 1: think he was available? This is seriously watched. The documentary
Speaker 1: had three five and eleven seasons in a row. We
Speaker 1: messed that thing badly. Other factors besides that, this was
Speaker 1: a Joe Thomas, by the way, who was on this
Speaker 1: Cowboys practice squad? What a couple of years ago signed
Speaker 1: off it? Yeah, to Green Bay he played in a
Speaker 1: three four scheme with the Packers. Get him into four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know where he playing in a three four? They
Speaker 1: play him inside. They played him inside, Yeah, inside back.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he played against Carolina. One of
Speaker 1: the tapes I watched was him playing Carolina and how
Speaker 1: to heck? I mean he was blowing people up in
Speaker 1: that game. He's a musical guy. You know, say meals though, No, man,
Speaker 1: guy's hard to block. Yeah, he wasn't find he was.
Speaker 1: He was a center block. I mean he's like a
Speaker 1: center block, like a center block in that best position.
Speaker 1: Argument besides the old line is it is it a
Speaker 1: cop out to say running back with Zeke because not
Speaker 1: just Zeke lot Smith is looking is having a terrific camp.
Speaker 1: He looked good in that first series and I think
Speaker 1: you know he provides some depth for Zeke and he's
Speaker 1: throwing table if you want to use okay this go
Speaker 1: four for four, then go four, go four running backs,
Speaker 1: four linebackers, four, four cornerbacks. Okay, what's what the flies today?
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all give guys stars? Right, y'all
Speaker 1: give guys stars Man of the match of the match.
Speaker 1: And I am so shocked. Nobody has given Zeke a
Speaker 1: star yet? Have we not? Just take not because I
Speaker 1: take for granted. Well, if the thing with Zeke is
Speaker 1: they did you see that double Oh the double move
Speaker 1: is the hop hop and about it hop out? You
Speaker 1: give him a start. I did not gave Gregory, did
Speaker 1: any did any of the running eight of y'all gave
Speaker 1: Gregory star? Not for me? I stopped reading because every game,
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, no matter what happens to there,
Speaker 1: I'm giving Zeke a star. All right, you go with
Speaker 1: that has a running back? Got a star yet? I
Speaker 1: think I got Rod smith Smitz Yeah, you know both
Speaker 1: scart Bowl has been nice. Yeah, I gave him a
Speaker 1: star yesterday. He was my man in the match. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He gave him after he got blue bow on a
Speaker 1: pass No no, no, no no, I I but did
Speaker 1: his pass rush the one on one pass rush was
Speaker 1: bad and then he did something click and then he
Speaker 1: did compete. Yeah, and he got the real Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I game man of the match. Yeah. Check out our
Speaker 1: Man of the Match series. It's really called camp Star. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send I'm sending mine. Zeke's gonna be ze
Speaker 1: get one more call before we get out of here,
Speaker 1: Scott in North Carolina, you're up next. I'm talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: morning guys. Hey, Scotty. First off, as a longtime Cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: I want to thank Nate especially for all the joy
Speaker 1: that hit him and his teammates brought me while watching
Speaker 1: his coming backs on armed Ports TV being away from
Speaker 1: home and that was just such a joy to me.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. My question is about coaching. How
Speaker 1: does coaching UH affect the player? To say, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of excitement about chrismas Shard. My question is, say,
Speaker 1: for example, Nate, if you had been in Washington, would
Speaker 1: you have been the same player where the coaches made
Speaker 1: you the same player? I'd have been with Joe Gibbs. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been with Joe Gibbs. They had a great Joe buble.
Speaker 1: They had a Joe bugle, I had a hey, great
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Yeah, I'd have been with it. But they
Speaker 1: didn't keep you. They didn't keep me because they had
Speaker 1: the hogs. Baby. Yeah, I was hog ish, but not involved.
Speaker 1: You're a piglet, yeah, but I want one of their homes.
Speaker 1: I couldn't wild in the mud. That was that was
Speaker 1: a big at that time. That's a big athletic group
Speaker 1: with all the countertrait stuff, right, oh man Joja Kobe
Speaker 1: Man out of Louisville. I think it was a free agent,
Speaker 1: you know, Russ Graham's second round pick who was always
Speaker 1: mad at Mark maybe because he had one of the
Speaker 1: big Wow, that was a good group, Joe Boster. They
Speaker 1: had they had athletes, I mean that for big men.
Speaker 1: They were athletes. So yeah. But but but coaching, though,
Speaker 1: it does make a difference here, Oh it does. Man.
Speaker 1: As a coach, you want to do everything to help
Speaker 1: your player be the best he can be. You want
Speaker 1: to be able to The difference is if you can
Speaker 1: see who your players are. If a scout he sayd
Speaker 1: hey brother, it is this type player. I want I
Speaker 1: go get this player. I find out what he can
Speaker 1: and cannot do that. That's that is what a good
Speaker 1: coach does and helps you through those weak times, you know,
Speaker 1: exempt blows up your your your good part, but but
Speaker 1: helps you through the bad ours. That's what Chris doing
Speaker 1: that there. Yeah, and we'll see what Chris be consistent, Yeah,
Speaker 1: consistent throughout. We'll see more of that this afternoon. Now,
Speaker 1: the practice in the afternoon for your Dallas Cowboys from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: Thank you Nate for joining us. Nate, I got another
Speaker 1: show to do. Safe travel, happy trails. I got another
Speaker 1: show to do. Okay, and then have a safe trip
Speaker 1: back and we'll see you guys Wednesday on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Brian, thanks to y'all, see you guys then.
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