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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headhours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome back to Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 1: This is Talking Cowboys final week of training camp out

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Speaker 1: on the West Coast, starting off on a Monday, joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for the next hour. A few practices

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Speaker 1: left for the Cowboys starting this afternoon. They'll roll it

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Speaker 1: through Thursday, I believe, and then head home on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips in the Captain's share filling it for Bill

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Speaker 1: Jones is always joined by Brian brought us, Mickey Spagnola

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Speaker 1: and Nate Newton. So gracious to join us again. How

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Speaker 1: are you but special, great man? I'm you know, excited

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Speaker 1: man to hear what you guys gotta say man and chiming.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I get opportunity listen to this, you

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Speaker 1: make time for you Like you don't have an opinion,

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Speaker 1: right right? I mean I have opinion, but you know

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Speaker 1: it's just I like to hear what you guys have

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Speaker 1: to say, the experts, and then a guy six times

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Speaker 1: such as myself, me and Rob. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Rob Novice, Man, he's saying backing right now. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't allow we can't allow this to don't try

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Speaker 1: to soften us up. I sell you what fellas. It's

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Speaker 1: been wild. Man. I gotta hit the road today. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna leave today today. That's why I'm doing his last

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Speaker 1: show with y'all. That's why I'm willing to listen. That's

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Speaker 1: why I'm willing to be all ears now. Now you've

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Speaker 1: got a long drive ahead of you. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of listening going on there. That's why you got Louis

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Speaker 1: little More and you listen to tape. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: that since I was six. Man. That's cool. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I've learned some things about you this trip. With your

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Speaker 1: taste in music, I love it all man. He loves

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Speaker 1: eighties movies. It's it's funny because with Nate, I think

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Speaker 1: Nate missed his calling. I think he could have been

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Speaker 1: an overnight disc jockey, one of those, you know, for

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Speaker 1: stations in Detroit or Chicago. I mean, your taste of music,

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Speaker 1: is is unique in a way that I would not

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Speaker 1: have thought that your taste with you know, Eddie and

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Speaker 1: the Cruisers. Yeah, when I was, I was like, you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have Alexa and Nate's Nate's talked by

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Speaker 1: the way, by the way, go to Amazon your Amazon show.

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Speaker 1: Alexa played Dallas Cowboys, Yes, for your Cowboys News exclusive

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Speaker 1: content including Brian broad Us Q and A's But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been j Nate's been DJA and for Us at Night,

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Speaker 1: and it's been it's actually really entertaining. The various musics

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Speaker 1: about twelve times to get her name right. Alexis, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Alexis Alexis, And I was like, I know, Alexa, she's

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Speaker 1: got sensitive ears. Yea, it is straight. You know when

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Speaker 1: you it's a lot of as your upbringing, though you

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Speaker 1: know it's in various parts you cut you think, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: well house music has music affect me and stuff. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have a good taste, good taste of music. And

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Speaker 1: he's got a good eye for practice. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into that. And Cowboys have had a couple of practices

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Speaker 1: I believe since our last show, and one guy in

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Speaker 1: in camp number ninety four. Randy Gregory like in that,

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Speaker 1: let's start off with that. You know, my point on

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Speaker 1: it was, I didn't care how well he practiced. What

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Speaker 1: he did in practice. The fact that he practiced after

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Speaker 1: missing all that time and he's back in pads, I

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Speaker 1: think is sort of a triumph pumpler itself. Uh and

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Speaker 1: then anything after that is gravy. And he actually started

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Speaker 1: showing some of the signs we saw of ya. This

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Speaker 1: guy can rush the quarterback. You know, nothing else he

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Speaker 1: me when you get an addition like that, I think

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Speaker 1: he kind of juices everybody else up. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: got it. You know you're rooting for He's just a

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Speaker 1: guy that everybody's rooting for us, So you feel good

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Speaker 1: for him when you see him out of moving around

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Speaker 1: with a team. Well, they had him in a Nickel's

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Speaker 1: a good well executed twist. But that's Randy Gregory. That's

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Speaker 1: how that's how you can use Randy Gregory. He's got

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Speaker 1: that slinky, slippery way of doing things to get to

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Speaker 1: Nah what? I what? I look at Gregory and when

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Speaker 1: I think of him, I think time is on our side.

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Speaker 1: I really feel like he's gonna give it as all

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Speaker 1: I said, Okay, maybe the coaches do know what they're

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Speaker 1: The endurance that you talk about to play the game.

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Speaker 1: now every day is a build up. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: he hasn't had no equity, no money in the bank,

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Speaker 1: no nothing, so he's been running free. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's just like a guy going to workout

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Speaker 1: great shape and to somebody hit us until a grown

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Speaker 1: it's a difference when you get when you're getting hit.

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Speaker 1: You know all of that, what the weightlifting you've been

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Speaker 1: right yeah, because he's getting that second layer right now.

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Speaker 1: it's like it's like a guy training for a boxing man. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can do all the shadow boxing and running you

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Speaker 1: heavy bag don't hit you back, thank you. And you

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Speaker 1: got to get used to getting hit. And and I

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Speaker 1: That's moving dead. Wait is a funny thing. Man, you know,

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Speaker 1: to wait. You know, it's just scoring a certain way

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Speaker 1: So he got that fool man strimth not. I tell

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Speaker 1: And that's what he's starting to hit. So he's building

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Speaker 1: his endurance, he's in shape, he's been in his his indorance,

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Speaker 1: he's getting his foundation of hitting. And now he got

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Speaker 1: still getting stronger. You are here stilling out. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: like what Jerry had to say when he was that

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Speaker 1: you think he can contribute against Carolina and he said yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Jerry says that that that's not him just making stuff up.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's hearing from his scouts, in his assistant coach.

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Speaker 1: And and I'm wanting him to make the team, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Virginia and Brian, let's carry over your question in

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Speaker 1: my hotel room. Different Brad. We could just bring him

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Speaker 1: what's going on? We could do that. Yeah, he would

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Speaker 1: definitely be held. He'd be good anytime, anytime. All right,

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Speaker 1: we had a mail bad question on the side. By

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Speaker 1: the way, check out Brian's notes scouting notebook from Sunday's practice.

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Speaker 1: A lot of good nuggets in there. Who stood out

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Speaker 1: at practice? Maybe what didn't go so well at practice?

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Speaker 1: It's on Dallas Cowboys mobile right now. Today's mail bad question?

464
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Speaker 1: What'd ye? What'd you think about that? How does Dorian's

465
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Speaker 1: armstrong look in camp this year compared to Taco Charlton's

466
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Speaker 1: camp as a rookie last year. That's funny you brought

467
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Speaker 1: that up because I was getting ready to ask the

468
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: same thing. Who great mine? Panel? Here? What do you think, Mick,

469
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: He keeps his feet a lot better than Taco kept

470
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Speaker 1: his feet last year. That's what I said. He's natural.

471
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Speaker 1: That's that's the that's this is a good this is

472
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Speaker 1: a good scouting report. This is a good scouting reports. Natural. See.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that Dorance Armstrong has a

474
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Speaker 1: better feel for how to rush the passer than Taco did.

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Speaker 1: I think nothing against Taco, but to me, even though

476
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Speaker 1: he went to school at Michigan and played some big

477
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: time football, I don't think he was a natural pass

478
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Speaker 1: rusher coming out. I think there was some struggle there.

479
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: I think he was he was struggling with his his strength.

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00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: I think he was struggling with his moves. I think

481
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Speaker 1: he was struggling with his plan of attack. You know,

482
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: he's got a better plan of attack now. Armstrong, on

483
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: their hand, is not gonna give you the same move.

484
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna he's He's a little bit more bendy,

485
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more flexible, and I think he's

486
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Speaker 1: got a little bit better reach, even though Taco's got

487
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Speaker 1: I think he's got a little bit better reach to

488
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Speaker 1: effect ways in the pocket. He's he is better at

489
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: this point, Armstrong is better than Tacco was at this

490
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Speaker 1: time last year. What do you what do you mean

491
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: by he's a natural name because he can line up

492
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: and he looking at that defensive he looking at that

493
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle and he may have one thing in mind.

494
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Speaker 1: But if you kind of can mess with him, he

495
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Speaker 1: can adjest. Yeah, he can aggest. But now his first

496
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Speaker 1: thoughts is when he lined up, you can see in

497
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Speaker 1: his eyes like I'm beating you. Whereas you line up

498
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Speaker 1: in tacle. He got up and he listening to the

499
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Speaker 1: Lion laden Marion Nelly. He listening to a number ninety,

500
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he lines up and be like, Okay,

501
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Speaker 1: out of the eight moves, I just heard, which one

502
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do? Well, it might be I know. You're right.

503
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: It's like a pro golfer. That's how you know. It's

504
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: like a golf swing swing mechanics, SSS, swing mccannic. If

505
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: you're swinging it, well, nobody says a word to you.

506
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: You just hit the ball. If you're like pulling him

507
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 1: into the woods every day, it's like you got five guy,

508
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: will listen. You need to kind of turn your hand

509
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Speaker 1: and you need to take your right foot and put

510
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Speaker 1: it back. And then the other guy comes along. No, no, no,

511
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: turn your hand over, open your stance. This you know,

512
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: and now you now, now you're now you're really Yes,

513
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: nobody anybody ever give Charles Haley advice. Nah, tell Haley

514
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: crush you, yeah, cush. But that's I think that's what

515
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: I think. That's the problem. Even though the Taco there

516
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: has been improvement, he does have a lot of people

517
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: telling him what he needs to do. And you could

518
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Speaker 1: tell what it happens to him. He gets crossed up. Yeah,

519
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: and I mean get crossed up that you. Oh no,

520
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: here comes the rush right down the middle. You know.

521
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Speaker 1: It's like he's like he gets caught into thinking do

522
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Speaker 1: I go rip swim combination? Do I extend left arm? Yeah.

523
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Speaker 1: It's so funny because he will go right and they say,

524
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Speaker 1: you know, they kind of halfways stopped that heat going

525
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Speaker 1: into a late span and all of a sudden on

526
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, you'd be like, and where's the dance?

527
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: He just get there and he bends that corner and

528
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: if you get him, he'll try to grab you. Oh,

529
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: he'll try to push it up. I mean it's a

530
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Speaker 1: counter to a counter. And that's what Tap hasn't learned yet.

531
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Speaker 1: When he learns that, which the scouting part I read

532
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Speaker 1: on him was he wasn't to start his first few

533
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Speaker 1: years right, but as time went on he grew into

534
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Speaker 1: the position, Yes, what is you may not never make

535
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Speaker 1: it out here if you know, if you don't hurry

536
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: up fast. He has looked better in this camp. I

537
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: do and like you said, more and he number one,

538
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: he needs to stop. If it ain't Tyron Smith, if

539
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: it ain't number seventy one, he needs he need to

540
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: tell a coach, I ain't rushing against Chad. When I

541
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: ain't rushing against number sixty three, there's no growth in that.

542
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: There's no growth in that. I would not well. And

543
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: the thing about it, though, is he gets going and he,

544
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: like it said, he gets crossed up. He's thinking, Okay,

545
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this move along the way. I'm gonna

546
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set him up with a quick you know,

547
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: And I say a quick move, A quick move. He

548
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: didn't have a quick move. He's trying to develop a

549
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: quick move if he can win on the first step

550
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: and then get you know, see this, this is what

551
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: this is where I thought. Last against the forty nine ers,

552
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I wrote about this on the on my notebook today

553
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: in practice. Yesterday dat got him on a third down

554
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: play on the on the read, on the read option

555
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: stuff sucked him down. And but last week in the game,

556
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: what do he do? He played his assignment, He stayed wide,

557
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: he chased Garoppolo's throwing it out a bounce, Bethard's throwing

558
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: it out a bounce. But he's you know, he didn't

559
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: get sucked downtil. You're thinking, ah, assignment, taco good, you know,

560
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, playing my assignment. Yeah, but here and then

561
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: you see it You're like, oh no yet. But that's

562
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: just that's gonna happen with him and he and he

563
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: needs to develop more consistent. If I think if he won,

564
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I think if he had a day where he won

565
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: two or three times, say in a row, then maybe

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: things would flip that switch for him that he would say, Okay,

567
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: this is how I have to do it. You you

568
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: blocked guys for years, years and years. How many moves

569
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: does an edge rusher need in his toolbox? Two? Two,

570
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: two great moves and one counter? And that counter can

571
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: be whatever it need to be. Off of those two

572
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: great moves, because uh what what what? What? What beaches

573
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: that freak ability that he called it end ability to flexibility,

574
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: that that you can have a guy blocked, but if

575
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: they got that ability to twist and turn in and

576
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: get that arm out there, yeah, man, And they get that,

577
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: and they always Richard Dent, Lawrence Taylor, Charles Hayley, no

578
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: matter how you blocked them, they always was rushing. And

579
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: if you check yourself, they always be this far away

580
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: from the quarterbackst in hand. They always be this far away.

581
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: And so they continue to work you the whole game

582
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: until that fourth quarter calm and all of a sudden

583
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: you see you in the yaw you looking around it.

584
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he finally got it. You know, you

585
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: thought you had him, but he had been working you.

586
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: And see it's a game plan. That's what number ninety has.

587
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: He has a game Yeah. Yeah, it's clear he did. Yeah,

588
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: you can see it doesn't he's not affected by whoever

589
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: he rushes again, Right, he's just as good at seventy

590
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: as he is against seventy seven. I mean it's like

591
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: it's like a pitcher, right, you don't need eight pitches.

592
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: You throw a fastball, curveball, change up, maybe a good slider.

593
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna do that, right, You're gonna succeed. I don't

594
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: need a knuckleball. I don't need the slurve or any

595
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: of that sinker. If my fastball is good, then I'm good, right,

596
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: and then everything else works off of that. So if

597
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: you got the ability to come off that edge like that,

598
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: then they got to be conscious of that, and then

599
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: you come up with your other moves. Offensive lineman hate

600
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: not having hitting surface, yes, they because it's all about

601
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: their hands. If you make an offensive lineman feel uncomfortable

602
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: with his hands, yes, then yeah, with Connor Williams, if

603
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: you make him feel uncome comfortable. And that's where he

604
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: was talking about the guys like Taylor Dent. You know

605
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: those guys DeMarcus where you don't give them a place

606
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: to put their hands. That's tough because they're always like, oh,

607
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: they're still rushing. You know, I can't. You know, you

608
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: never slow the rush down. That's where that verbbin comes

609
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: in the bend. Yeah, you know, and if you, like

610
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: I said, the good ones can get really small and

611
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're missing with that hand off

612
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: a shoulder pad. Now he's on you. Oh wait, I've

613
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: got to get my left hand now. Oh wait, now

614
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: he's buying me with that hand. You make offensive lineman

615
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with their hand placement, you can affect the way

616
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: they block, and the good ones can do that. You

617
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: know what. I don't know if this was by design

618
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: or they were just running plays on offense, but when

619
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Gregory was out there, after a couple of plays, the

620
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: tight ends started lining up on his side, right they did.

621
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: They started chipping him. Yes, that Yeah, great observation because

622
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: Garrett told us that, hey, we're gonna go bone on

623
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: bone and just run football plays out there. And that's

624
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: what I think. For three periods it was just straight team.

625
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: You know, you throw your defense out there, will throw

626
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: offense out there. We'll compete a little bit. He does

627
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: in Randy has that gift that bend to be able to, yeah,

628
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: become a small target. I did not see him in

629
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: one on one's yesterday name looking forward, and I thought

630
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: he did one or two. I thought he took one turn.

631
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: Did he not do one? I don't know. I don't remember.

632
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: He took him out. Yeah, he patted up with his

633
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: helmet like he was gonna get one, And I thought

634
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: I saw the okay, Michael Gallut and I'm just using

635
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: this out third round, Pete. He is positioning himself where

636
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: is no where in the world you cannot give him

637
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of opportunities when the reel, when the season stars, No,

638
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: when the where you cannot give him opportunities. He's positioning

639
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: himself like that. Right now, this kid Armstrong is positioning

640
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: him himself where you cannot pass him up against him

641
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: if he keep going the whey he's going like Michael

642
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: Gallup is going away. So he's defensive version. Yea. See,

643
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why earning reps. That's why I'm so

644
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: excited because you said it when we got off the plane,

645
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: when y'all got off the plane and I drove up

646
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: when you got out the car. Yeah, we was like, wow,

647
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: I defens line gonna get killed. And from the very

648
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: first day everything changed. From the very first day when

649
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: they first got together and did their version of what

650
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: they call an inside run, and I said, man, who

651
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: is number sixty four, Wow, number ninety two is doing

652
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: a good job. And it hasn't changed. So when I

653
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: look at this kid, I'm sure I'm saying now, and Broden,

654
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: you gave him a good grade. And I listened to

655
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: you that day like broden slightness, dudy, like his d

656
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: place man. I said, I'm gonna watch this kid. That

657
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: was my guy coming into camp. This guy is not disappointed. Yeah,

658
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: he's not disappointed. Now let's see how the games play out.

659
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: And I know he may not play a much in

660
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: the third game, but you cannot I have him. I

661
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: will be high to disappointment. He's inactive? What riv? Yeah? No,

662
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: And because no one else has really stepped up and

663
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: yeah and said, you know echo that is they started

664
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: moving Ealy inside because he really hasn't shown the speed

665
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: on the outside to play the defensive end spot. So,

666
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: not to change the subject, but somebody else, I thought

667
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: is starting to step up in a very needy position.

668
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Is Kadeem Edwards. Have you guys took some reps with

669
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: Marcus Martin out last couple of days some additional reps?

670
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: Didn't did he not? Is it three straight reps in

671
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: the compete? Sill yesterday? Who's it against? It was? It was?

672
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Was it? Any won all three? It was the first compete.

673
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: I remember practice. I remember that a guard. Yeah, I

674
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: great eye by Mickey there because I noticed in the

675
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: one on one Mark Colombo hiss like that's it, you

676
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he has a good set,

677
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: he's not off balance. Everything works, and in Colombo like

678
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: you know, he has a good rep. And Mark Columbia

679
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: is the assistant line coach goes over hits him on

680
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: the back. Yes, that's it. That's what you gotta do

681
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: right there. That's perfect, you know. And he's encouraging him

682
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: and so you know, build the guy up as long as,

683
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: like you say, he's having good reps. He is playing

684
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: an important position. But because Nate, I'll tell you what,

685
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: after him, you're the next best guard out there. No, no,

686
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I just do not. He's not went through this with

687
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: other guys. And that is another guy I have to

688
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: I have to see play because what I've become accustomed

689
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: to now in the modern day era is I'm serious

690
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: and the mode of day are is a lot of

691
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: guys don't practice well, I don't they play better than

692
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, And so I gotta see in the game. Yeah,

693
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: I think he's I think the thing that you and

694
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: I've seen is the strength. Yeah, that's that's the thing.

695
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: And it's easy for those guards to do. You could

696
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: tell if a guard doesn't have strength, quickly, quickly. But

697
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: but compared to what else they got behind him, I'm

698
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: not right. Here's the eighth lineman this team. You September

699
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: first and say, okay, let me see what else is

700
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: out there. Because Martin's not playing regardless if he has

701
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: surgery or not, he's out for a while. I mean Collins,

702
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: Collins was in the same boat Lyle and any last

703
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: year surgery, it was a two years ago, two years ago. Guy,

704
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: the years just run together. He had the torn ligament

705
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: in his toe Chicago Bearer game. They debated whether to

706
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: have surgery. He ultimately had surgery. He didn't play again

707
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. And seeing the only reason

708
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: he's not having surgery right away, he went for a

709
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: second opinion. But even if the second opinion says you

710
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: don't need surgery, it's like you can't opinion you need

711
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: to have surgery. Yeah, yeah, it's not like the doctor

712
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: made a mistake, right, all right, I've been making this

713
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: go ahead and go ahead, go ahead now negative, we

714
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. We gotta go. We gotta

715
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: go to analyzing us. I don't want to be too negative.

716
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: Carry carry Analyzer. Just be honest. Don't worry about being negative.

717
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: Carry'll tell you if you're not doing. Absolutely I believe

718
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: this in today's you don't. When I played, you have

719
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: five six weeks to get in shape. You don't have

720
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: five or six weeks to get in shape because you

721
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: spend your first five weeks before you come to camp

722
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: getting out of shape, so by time you get back

723
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: in shape, camp is over and you have not helped

724
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: help your team. Whereas when I played, you have five

725
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: or six weeks to get in shape. So Martin, no, Nah,

726
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: it's you know you know who else was falling into

727
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: that category. Noah Brown Brown, He's gonna get left behind. Yeah,

728
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: he's gotten back in showing some stuff last year. He

729
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: showed some toughness last year, but he didn't show what

730
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: Lanceleneur show and fourteen showing up. Let's grab Brad and Virginia.

731
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: Thanks for holding before we go to the next break.

732
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: What's up Brad? So big fan, y'all? Thank you? Is

733
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: Joe Looney? I like to I like seeing what I'm

734
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: seeing out of him. Is he ever getting the chance

735
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: maybe competing with the guard spot there with Collins or

736
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: is he just mainly going to be the backup center?

737
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: Thank you y'all take care of God bless, Thank you.

738
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Brad. Probably talking about Connor Williams, maybe maybe I

739
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: think he's the backup center guard. It's a valuable position.

740
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: It is a really valuable I mean, it's just like

741
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: last year when we talked about how valuable the backup

742
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: tackle was going to be, right, and it was invaluable

743
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: because they didn't have anybody. Joe Looney was your starting

744
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: he was with the Ones yesterday. It was a veteran

745
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: day for Travis Frederick. So Travis Frederick did not participate.

746
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: So Joe Looney in and they went to their offense

747
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: like they do. Let's pull the center, Let's pull Martin,

748
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: Let's Tay Williams, let's pull you know that's where that's he.

749
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: You can't follow him Looney Tunes anymore. Joe Looney, is

750
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: he without a doubt, he's that sixth best guy. Yeah, yeah,

751
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: he's that sixth best guy without a doubt. I mean,

752
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: uh he he this dude two three years ago I

753
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: got through training camp off him. He was so funny

754
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: to watch and I'm like, how is he gonna make

755
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: the team. But he's taking things a little bit more serious. Man.

756
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: He's conditioned and one of the one of the best

757
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: reconditioned bodies I think I've ever seen was when Ron Leary.

758
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: If we all remember Ron Larry lost his job and

759
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: then you know with Collins, and then what happened, Collins

760
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: gets hurt, Ron Larry comes in and they never missed back.

761
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: They never go back to to Collins a death spot.

762
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: And that's I think what Joe Looney has done is

763
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: he has slimmed down. His mobility is better. He's got

764
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: to work on the high snaps. We've seen some of those.

765
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: You don't want that to happen. And him, I was

766
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna crest Joe. Go ahead, go ahead, But I think

767
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: I think that Nate's right. He used to. But okay,

768
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: so your seventh best is your is flaming your seventh

769
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: best line? Yeah, okay, your eighth best lineman is we say,

770
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: Kadeem Edwards at this point, who are the other options here? Yeah?

771
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: Go ahead, and you guys talk to a lot of people.

772
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: You guys talked to a lot of people in this

773
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: at work, in this front office and coaching staff and

774
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: all that, What are you hearing about Chad's green other

775
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: than what Garrett said to us yesterday? Is Chad's green?

776
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Now they hey, we're pulling for Chad's green, but we

777
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: know what Chad's green is and it's not good enough.

778
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: I asked the question yesterday, Uh, if there's any thoughts

779
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 1: of moving them back to guards since your guard depth

780
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: has diminished, and I got the headshake and it was like, no,

781
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a better tackle. I'm not sure he's

782
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: a guard so so as a tackle, so he can't

783
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: make them. He he is not playing well in for

784
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: them to have to keep him instead of a kildema. Well,

785
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: we talked about this last year, right, there's point. They

786
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: tried him a guard last year. Oh yeah, and decided

787
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: it was not gonna keep him at tackle. And I

788
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: think you know you remember he started starting, He started,

789
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: then he got hurt and they put Barron Bell or no, no,

790
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: the other guard in there that played wasn't very good,

791
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: the Cooper, Jonathan Jonathan Cooper. And then when he came back,

792
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: they decided, well, we could live with Cooper because we

793
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: need a backup swing tackle that's more important. And then

794
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: he got his opportunity and his confidence were like down

795
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: his leg. Yeah, he was shattered. So now you've invested

796
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: trying to build him back up at tackle. I don't

797
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: think you want, but look at it this way. You

798
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: would like that other tackle to be a developmental spot

799
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: on your fifty three man ross compos But have you

800
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: seen anybody that's worth developing? Maybe a practice squad type guy? Yeah? Right, potentially,

801
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: you know. I I sit there, I'm hopeful that somebody

802
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: tries to sneak somebody through and if this pro department

803
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: has been on it that the Jets tried to move

804
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: this guy in or the way they're trying to the

805
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: Buccaneers are trying to sneak this guy, and you're willing

806
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: to claim that that night. I mean, look at who's

807
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: the next guy up or a guard is Stanton? Yeah

808
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: he's not been either. Sixty three one thing. We can

809
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: rest the shares every day we get that same thing, Mama, Mama,

810
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: he's in there too. Yeah, sixty I'm gonna tell you

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812
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:47,520
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813
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we got we have a dress they

814
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,960
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815
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: struggle living with Connor, but I'm like, Okay, we've fixed

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Speaker 1: minutes left on a Monday edition of Talking Cowboys. You

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Speaker 1: want to squeeze in a phone call before we get

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Speaker 1: out of here. Nine seven two four nine seven forty

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Speaker 1: four hundred. But Brian, he's got a question for us

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Speaker 1: based off of dinner last night. Yeah, we got we

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Speaker 1: were all sitting around. It's funny how dinner for us

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Speaker 1: is at nine o'clock at night now, eleven Central back

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Speaker 1: eleven Central dinner. The question at the table was the if,

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Speaker 1: the if? The if? Everybody feels like I'm again not

873
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Speaker 1: putting words over his mouth, but if you feel like

874
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: the offensive line is their best position, what is the

875
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: second best position? You Know, people were saying, Okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's the corners, maybe it's the maybe it's the defense

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Speaker 1: on whatever you think. I think it's the linebackers. If

878
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: you watch the play of the linebackers, I think it's

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00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: the second best position player to player of the of

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Speaker 1: the groups that we have out here. And I was warning,

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00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: what you, gentleman Mickey out to start with. My answer

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Speaker 1: last night was linebacker, Yeah, because I think the depth

883
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: is so much better than it was last year, just

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Speaker 1: better because of Joe Thomas. I mean, Joe Thomas looks

885
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: like he is a player. And then you got your

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00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: first round draft choice to add to that, because last year,

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Speaker 1: after you got past Hitchens and if Hitchens was starting,

888
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: then you really didn't have anything behind it. So and

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00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: I think with Sean Lee on the field, and we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of Sean Lee, right, that's right.

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00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: I got back into teamwork this past last couple of days,

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Speaker 1: last couple of days, right before that, you're looking at

893
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Speaker 1: the linebackers, going Okay, Jalen Smith looks like a different

894
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: guy Amy and Wilson once Sean Lee gets on the

895
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Speaker 1: field is a different guy. Uh. And they've they've got

896
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Speaker 1: some some depth there. I think guys that can do

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Speaker 1: more than play special team. I wouldn't have said this

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Speaker 1: or I wouldn't have agreed with you going into camp, Brian,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure see what you think. But Joe

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Speaker 1: Thomas is the key for me because the question going

901
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Speaker 1: into is, Okay, you drafted Laton vander esh, You're gonna

902
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Speaker 1: bring him along. He's gonna be a middle linebacker for you.

903
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Speaker 1: Do you have a guy like Hitchens who can play

904
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Speaker 1: multiple spots and fill in if needed. Joe Thomas is

905
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Speaker 1: the one eating up these reps when Sean Lee's getting rested.

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Speaker 1: He's a He's a better Anthony Hitchens at will linebackers.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yes? You know Anthy Hitchens as

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Speaker 1: a MIC. I love Anthony Hitchens as a WILL. I'm

909
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Speaker 1: thinking maybe not as much, but he's still yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: still yeah. Serviceful is a very good word. I think

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00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: you plug in Joe Thomas at that will and you

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Speaker 1: don't miss a beat. And I mean that in respect

913
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Speaker 1: to you know, it's not a huge gap. It's not

914
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Speaker 1: And I know it's terrible radio to hold your hands

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Speaker 1: up if you're watching. Yeah, we got cameras here. Yeah,

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00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: I got cameras, but you might be not. You might

917
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: be driving home like Nate and you know you're listening

918
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: to me. I'm holding my hands up a foot apart.

919
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: You know, there's not that huge gap. I think that.

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00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: I think that Joe Thomas edition in the stack position, Yeah,

921
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: it's that, but I think the thanks for clarifying that. Yes,

922
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Speaker 1: but this might be one of those editions that we

923
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Speaker 1: look back on at the end of the year and say, oh,

924
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Speaker 1: Tavon Austin, Joe Thomas, you know where was you know,

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Speaker 1: Chris Rochard, who was the who was the difference maker

926
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Speaker 1: for this football team? Yeah, I think that's I I

927
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: and I like march Lillard. I like Justin march Lillard

928
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Speaker 1: as well. I think they've got some good guys at

929
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Speaker 1: that spot. And it's a shame that he got sick,

930
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Speaker 1: but Covington was He's back out there today. Yeah, yeah,

931
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Speaker 1: it's back out there now, you there. No, I got

932
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: our first six offensive liman and and I think I

933
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: got our first six. But I'm telling you you said

934
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Speaker 1: it that Joe Thomas as a will. But I promise

935
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Speaker 1: you if we need a Mike, he's sitting there, he'll

936
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Speaker 1: see he'll play Mike. Yeah, because when me and brought

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Speaker 1: us is watching film on him, Mick and Rob. He

938
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Speaker 1: makes the plays he's supposed to make. If you make

939
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Speaker 1: a mistake, that play turns into what he's supposed to

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Speaker 1: make into a big play. He's always around the ball

941
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Speaker 1: to tip ball by came on Phrasier. He makes the

942
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: plays he's supposed to make, and if you make a mistake,

943
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: he'll make a bigger play. See this is where and

944
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: yesterday too. I'm like on the notebook this morning, I

945
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: wrote about if you saw it late. They had a

946
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Speaker 1: compete period with the young guys, but he happened to

947
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Speaker 1: be on the field for the for the defense. Well,

948
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Speaker 1: they try and throw a slant inside the JUNI, you know,

949
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Speaker 1: and it's it's Mike White. He tried to throw the

950
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: slant and what happens. Thomas reads, the slant drops and

951
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Speaker 1: now you got length going in the air. I can't

952
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Speaker 1: remember the last time I've seen a outside linebacker read

953
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: to defend the slant, you know, and White's gonna I mean,

954
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a catch because they've Duke Thomas's beat

955
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: to the inside. Right, they're gonna they're gonna get this slant. Now,

956
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: say Mike White might have held the ball. We've you know,

957
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: we've that's kind of a documented thing right now. But

958
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Speaker 1: when you see an outside linebacker defend the slant and

959
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: knock a ball away, that's a guy that's locked in

960
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: and playing well. You seeing that. That was the part

961
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot last year when we would try to say

962
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: how they were doubling Dez Well, one of the things

963
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: they were doing right linebacker and buzz him out, and

964
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Speaker 1: then Dez is he's chopped meat there. He can't run

965
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: that route. So that's how you can double a linebacker,

966
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean a wide receiver pass that stunt. Well issue,

967
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: my issue is this here, he's gonna say, when when, somehow,

968
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: if something happened to Sean Lee, the first guy ain't

969
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: our first round pick at this point, right, Yeah, you're

970
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: right about that. Yeah, it's been playing, they've been moving

971
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: and give him some snaps. Yeah yeah, And see my

972
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: my issue is, and my issue is, is this team

973
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: tough enough to say at this time, Layton, we love you.

974
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: What Joe doing is a little bit better. I mean

975
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: it's always been uh that first round, second round, third round,

976
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: and then you know me. Now, if I figure Gut better,

977
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: then I go with a better guy. But if if

978
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: Laton this much behind him, I'm going with Laton. But

979
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: this guy has separated himself. Are you showing your heads? Yeah? No,

980
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm one in front. Each other's stacked. But you agree

981
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: or disagree. The second the best lineback on that field

982
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys other than that, I felt was the

983
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: number forty. If I had to play the Carolina Panthers

984
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: and something happened to Shanlee or Jalen Smith, I'm putting

985
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas. That's what I'm saying. Okay, he's that he's

986
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: he's trust. No, bro, he's not on the trust. He's

987
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: played better and by the way, so why do you

988
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: think he was available? This is seriously watched. The documentary

989
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: had three five and eleven seasons in a row. We

990
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: messed that thing badly. Other factors besides that, this was

991
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: a Joe Thomas, by the way, who was on this

992
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: Cowboys practice squad? What a couple of years ago signed

993
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: off it? Yeah, to Green Bay he played in a

994
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: three four scheme with the Packers. Get him into four. Yeah,

995
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: you know where he playing in a three four? They

996
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: play him inside. They played him inside, Yeah, inside back.

997
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he played against Carolina. One of

998
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: the tapes I watched was him playing Carolina and how

999
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: to heck? I mean he was blowing people up in

1000
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: that game. He's a musical guy. You know, say meals though, No, man,

1001
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: guy's hard to block. Yeah, he wasn't find he was.

1002
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: He was a center block. I mean he's like a

1003
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: center block, like a center block in that best position.

1004
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: Argument besides the old line is it is it a

1005
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: cop out to say running back with Zeke because not

1006
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: just Zeke lot Smith is looking is having a terrific camp.

1007
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: He looked good in that first series and I think

1008
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: you know he provides some depth for Zeke and he's

1009
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: throwing table if you want to use okay this go

1010
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: four for four, then go four, go four running backs,

1011
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: four linebackers, four, four cornerbacks. Okay, what's what the flies today?

1012
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all give guys stars? Right, y'all

1013
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: give guys stars Man of the match of the match.

1014
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: And I am so shocked. Nobody has given Zeke a

1015
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: star yet? Have we not? Just take not because I

1016
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: take for granted. Well, if the thing with Zeke is

1017
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: they did you see that double Oh the double move

1018
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: is the hop hop and about it hop out? You

1019
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: give him a start. I did not gave Gregory, did

1020
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: any did any of the running eight of y'all gave

1021
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: Gregory star? Not for me? I stopped reading because every game,

1022
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, no matter what happens to there,

1023
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm giving Zeke a star. All right, you go with

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00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: that has a running back? Got a star yet? I

1025
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: think I got Rod smith Smitz Yeah, you know both

1026
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: scart Bowl has been nice. Yeah, I gave him a

1027
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: star yesterday. He was my man in the match. Yeah.

1028
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: He gave him after he got blue bow on a

1029
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: pass No no, no, no no, I I but did

1030
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: his pass rush the one on one pass rush was

1031
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: bad and then he did something click and then he

1032
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: did compete. Yeah, and he got the real Yeah. Yeah,

1033
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: I game man of the match. Yeah. Check out our

1034
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: Man of the Match series. It's really called camp Star. Yeah.

1035
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send I'm sending mine. Zeke's gonna be ze

1036
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Speaker 1: get one more call before we get out of here,

1037
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Speaker 1: Scott in North Carolina, you're up next. I'm talking Cowboys

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00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: morning guys. Hey, Scotty. First off, as a longtime Cowboy fan,

1039
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: I want to thank Nate especially for all the joy

1040
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: that hit him and his teammates brought me while watching

1041
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: his coming backs on armed Ports TV being away from

1042
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: home and that was just such a joy to me.

1043
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. My question is about coaching. How

1044
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: does coaching UH affect the player? To say, you know,

1045
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of excitement about chrismas Shard. My question is, say,

1046
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Speaker 1: for example, Nate, if you had been in Washington, would

1047
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Speaker 1: you have been the same player where the coaches made

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Speaker 1: you the same player? I'd have been with Joe Gibbs. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been with Joe Gibbs. They had a great Joe buble.

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Speaker 1: They had a Joe bugle, I had a hey, great

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. Yeah, I'd have been with it. But they

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Speaker 1: didn't keep you. They didn't keep me because they had

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Speaker 1: the hogs. Baby. Yeah, I was hog ish, but not involved.

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Speaker 1: You're a piglet, yeah, but I want one of their homes.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't wild in the mud. That was that was

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Speaker 1: a big at that time. That's a big athletic group

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Speaker 1: with all the countertrait stuff, right, oh man Joja Kobe

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Speaker 1: Man out of Louisville. I think it was a free agent,

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Speaker 1: you know, Russ Graham's second round pick who was always

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Speaker 1: mad at Mark maybe because he had one of the

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Speaker 1: big Wow, that was a good group, Joe Boster. They

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Speaker 1: had they had athletes, I mean that for big men.

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Speaker 1: They were athletes. So yeah. But but but coaching, though,

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Speaker 1: it does make a difference here, Oh it does. Man.

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Speaker 1: As a coach, you want to do everything to help

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Speaker 1: your player be the best he can be. You want

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Speaker 1: to be able to The difference is if you can

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Speaker 1: see who your players are. If a scout he sayd

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Speaker 1: hey brother, it is this type player. I want I

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Speaker 1: go get this player. I find out what he can

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Speaker 1: and cannot do that. That's that is what a good

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Speaker 1: coach does and helps you through those weak times, you know,

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Speaker 1: exempt blows up your your your good part, but but

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Speaker 1: helps you through the bad ours. That's what Chris doing

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Speaker 1: that there. Yeah, and we'll see what Chris be consistent, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: consistent throughout. We'll see more of that this afternoon. Now,

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Speaker 1: the practice in the afternoon for your Dallas Cowboys from Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Nate for joining us. Nate, I got another

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Speaker 1: show to do. Safe travel, happy trails. I got another

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Speaker 1: show to do. Okay, and then have a safe trip

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Speaker 1: back and we'll see you guys Wednesday on Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Brian, thanks to y'all, see you guys then.

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