WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Best 5 Linemen? 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.800 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:19.959 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.680 a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:28.000 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:33.400 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:39.720 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.839 It is Tuesday, September twenty ninth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.320 episode number thirty three. Welcome to another edition of The Break, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.559 Real Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.080 Star Guy Amber at the Star Days at his home, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.160 and we got a good forty five minutes of Cowboys 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:57.840 to talk here with you guys to day. It's Tuesday, 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.920 so it's Big Picture Day. And I had one whole 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.720 set of things that we were going to talk about today, 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.920 and then Jerry got on the radio and completely change that. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.360 So we got a lot of stuff that we're gonna 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.360 talk about here, at least in the first segment, maybe 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.399 into the second segment that came from Jerry's interview this 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.319 morning with our partner Station one or five out three 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.960 the fan here locally, and then a little later in 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:21.400 the show we're gonna follow up on some stuff we 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.120 wanted to get to yesterday, some performance reviews, a couple 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.760 of players that we didn't get a chance to talk 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.520 about specifically that I want us to dive into a 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.400 little bit, and then we'll get into the final segment. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.120 We'll get some fan questions from you guys. Hopefully you 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.440 guys ask some questions or some comments about some different 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.039 things around this team that I can then post to 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.479 this group to be able to answer. So let's talk 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.479 about Jerry. He's on the fan this morning, and there 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.319 were a few things he talked about that I thought 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.160 stood out. Let's start first with the one that's that's 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.840 more tactical. He was talking about Lyle Collins and his injury, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.240 and he said, we don't know. I don't know, the 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.520 doctors don't know. We're trying to work through some structure issues. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.160 So structure issues. The longer you go, the less optimistic 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.160 you get, sounding more and more And we heard the 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.560 same thing from from coach McCarthy yesterday, sounding more and 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.760 more like surgery is an option here. What did you 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:14.919 hear from from Jerry and what are you thinking right 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.880 now with regards to where Lyle stands, We'll go with you, Dave. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.800 What I'm thinking is that I'm pretty worried about Lyle 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.079 Collins's long term availability. How could you not be based 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.840 on what you've been here in the last twenty four 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.880 or so hours. I think it starts with yesterday, which 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.920 I don't know if this counts, is behind the scenes, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:37.960 but you just kind of learn how to read between 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.440 the lines once you've done this job for a long 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.160 enough time. And Todd Archer from ESPN asks the question, 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.959 is surgery something you're considering for Lyle Collins basically out 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.640 of nowhere? Which Todd Archer's very good at his job, 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.000 And when somebody who's very good at their job asks 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.600 a question like that, it's probably because he's gotten an 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.440 inkling from one direction or another that maybe that's something 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.600 that the Cowboys are considering. And Mike McCarthy didn't shoot 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.440 it down at all. He said it's something they have 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.000 to weigh. Jerry Jones said the same thing. He actually, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.000 he said, we don't know. The doctors don't know, I 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:13.880 don't know. You know, we're playing it by year. The 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.480 longer this goes, the less optimistic you get. So it's 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.040 a hip problem. That's about as much as anybody's been 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.120 willing to say. And I'm hoping for the best. But 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.359 when you, you know, you piece all this stuff together, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.680 it certainly doesn't sound like Lyle Collins's return is imminent 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.440 and if he does need to have surgery, then it'll 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.440 probably be much later in the season, if at all. 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.720 So um, I'm just kind of discouraged by the thought that, 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.080 you know, he was so good last year and it 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.880 might be a pretty hefty amount of time before we 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.920 see him play again. Nick, how maik of a problem? 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.280 Do you see this as if Lyle should have to 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.640 have surgery and is out for a protected of a 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.520 prolonged period of time for the offensive line, ye, like, well, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.880 for the team, you have to yeah, yeah, it's it's 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.840 it's a problem. But because of the fact that he 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.800 hasn't been there and you know they if hiring can 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.320 come back. Now, you just got one offensive lineman that 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.760 you have or tackle that you have to you know, 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.040 figure out. And I think you're seeing some options here. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.320 You know, it could be Zack Martin now you know, 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.440 which means you need you still need a guard, or 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.480 could be a Brandon Knight on the right side, or 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.520 maybe Terrence Steele, whatever. But I feel better about it 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.440 because you just like, you got to figure out one 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.960 guy to try to replace it, and maybe that guy 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.719 is Zach Martin, which means then you need a guard, 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.240 you know, and maybe that's Looney or McGovern or maybe 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.520 you go get one or whatever. But I'm just saying 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.159 I feel better about it because you're you're forced to 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.719 see these options and they've been okay, they haven't been great. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.560 But if it's Zack Martin and Tyren Smith is your tackles, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.760 I think you can figure out the insight. Amber you 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.720 agree or do you think this is a bigger problem? 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.680 It's a big problem, A problem, A problem. I was 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:02.760 trying to specify bigger problem. I mean, obviously it's a 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:08.279 big problem. But I think that the somewhat advantage kind 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.640 of going back into something that Nick mentioned, was the 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.680 fact that they've known this since the start of training camp, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:18.680 that they have issues with Lyle Collins' health, so they've 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.080 been able to at least kind of somewhat prepare for it. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.279 What worries me, even though I think Dak Prescott has 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:30.359 been doing a really, really good job, it worries me 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.560 the fact that he has to deal with something like 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.880 that throughout for the rest of the season. I mean, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.480 that is a lot of pressure that your quarterback is 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.719 having to get and having to figure out. Also, if 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:46.159 they're not able to improve and solidify the offensive line, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.400 I wonder how much it's going to start affecting Ezekiel 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.680 Elliott's game. And we know how important it is for 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.640 the Cowboys to utilize they can run the ball because 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.960 at the end of the day, I mean, most games 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.520 they've wanted when Zeke has a good game. So it's 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.120 it's tough for the Cowboys. But hopefully after what they 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.039 were able to see from tape from last game, they're 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.200 able to create a better combination to prepare for future 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.920 games day. Do you know where this all came from? 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:16.840 Because I don't know. It may just be me, but 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.800 it seemed like coming into training camp, I had no 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.200 idea that Lyle was dealing with anything, and obviously, win 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.800 the offseason, you wouldn't think that you're doing things that 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.680 create these kinds of issues. But do you know where 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.480 this all came from and how they end up in 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.680 this position where surgery is even a part of the conversation. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.880 It's a really, it's really frustrating. And the short answer 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.599 is I don't, but I have a feeling that I 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.160 would if I was able to wander around the facility 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.040 and bump into trainers and coaches and orr. But whoever 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.480 the heck else might have or or or I mean 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.400 or honestly, Lyle, he really, I mean, obviously he went 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.920 to LSU. He's a very nice guy. He is one 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.800 of my closest connections on the team. Yeah, I could 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.120 probably talk to him himself if I was able to 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.599 go into the locker room. So it's frustrating, although I do, 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.200 I do want to point out, you know, he comes, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.120 he comes to camp, he's out. Mike McCarthy downplays the 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.400 heck out of it, which like, that's nothing new. Teams 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.960 lie about this type of stuff all the time. But 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.520 what makes it, what I guess what makes it frustrating 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:27.120 is when you downplay it like that, then people take 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:28.800 you at your word and all of a sudden, now 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.280 it's you know, you assume it's not a big problem, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.800 so when it turns into a big problem, it always 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.320 feels like the player gets the blame. I've seen a 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.200 ton of people talking trash about Lyle Collins for being 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.520 like out of shape, like like this is all happening 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.600 because he came to camp out of shape, And let's 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.720 be clear, he honestly could have. Lyle Collins might have 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.080 come to camp out of shape, but you don't miss 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.480 a month of the season and maybe need surgery as 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.160 a pro athlete because you didn't take your conditioning seriously enough. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.520 That's ridiculous. If all Lyle Collins was was out of shape, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.360 you just play your way back in over time. I 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.720 highly doubt you would even go on injured reserve. So 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.360 it's just frustrating that. I understand that teams want to 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.920 be careful with the details, but you create you know, 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.440 when you don't give out information, people fill in the 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.480 gaps on their own and it turns into a convoluted story, 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.560 which just makes it frustrating. Yeah, real quick, Nick, what's 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.040 the likelihood on Tymas Smith? You didn't mention him a 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:30.680 little bit earlier. What are we hearing as far as 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.240 his return and the likelihood that he may be ready 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:38.000 this week? I would guess that he plays this week 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.280 if I had to guess, I wasn't getting that feeling 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.680 last week. Now I did see him warm up a 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:49.040 little bit on the field, and you know, I think 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.560 he could have played maybe right then. I mean, like 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.880 if it's a playoff game. You know, That's what I 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.000 heard twice was during you know, on Sunday, I heard 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.560 it's a long season. So it's like, Okay, well, you 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.440 don't want to foursome here in week three, but it's 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.760 still a long season. But if you lose to the 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.720 Browns and you're one in three, this could be a 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.720 really long season. So I think, you know, at some 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.920 point you gotta say, you know, you gotta get out 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.280 there and play. And I can't imagine if he could 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.840 have played two weeks ago, probably could have played last week, 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.920 I would imagine he plays this week all right, Which, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.000 if Flyle's gonna be outward extended period of time, like 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.599 you said earlier, I think it's even more important that 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.600 the Cowboys can get tiring back because then you're just 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.280 dealing with one tackle position rather than two. Well, I'm 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:36.240 curious who plays right tackle though, like who plays I personally, 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.600 I have actually thought that Brandon Knight played has played 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.440 really well for what he's been given. Yeah, and so 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.040 I would love to see him be the guy that 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:45.760 they put over at right tackle and let's just see 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.240 where it goes from there. And I think you've been 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.640 better than Steele. Yeah, I mean it could be Steel 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.880 if if you know, if he was just sick, if 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.520 that's all it was, well, that's what they're saying. It 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.400 didn't look like that to me. But obviously I'm not 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.520 on the sideline, and I certainly wasn't there Saturday night 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.920 where they say he wasn't when he started not feeling well. So, um, 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.680 you know, ye who knows. I just think that you've 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:10.480 got to figure out is Night or Steel a better 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:15.480 option at at tackle or the guard that plays in 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.400 there because you move, you know, Zach Martin out there. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.560 And here's another thing you have to wait is if 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.439 I mean Zach Martin's a ninety nine player right ninety eight? 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.360 Was Madden ratings like ninety nine? Okay, ninety nine? But 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.200 is he at ninety nine at right tackle? Me look 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:33.880 pretty good to me. He looked good to me too. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.400 I'm just saying, but what if he's a you know, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.640 what if he's an eighty eight? What if he's okay? Yeah, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.520 are you what are you sacrificing there? Because you know, well, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.200 I think then what you have to figure out is 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.240 is whoever would have been at right tackle? Are they 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.600 a sixty? And is that guard that would have been moved? 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:50.960 You know what I'm saying, Like, that's where you got 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.400 to realize. I think right now you're looking for your 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.120 five best and put your five best on the field. Yeah, 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.480 I you know, I said almost said this yesterday. We 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.920 don't have time. But Tony Rami used to always say 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.840 to the right tackle, don't hold the guy because I 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.840 can see him and I will make him miss. So 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.920 if he's coming through, don't you don't have to hold him. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.640 I'll make sure he gets away from me. I mean, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.640 dak Is that's sort of the same way Amber asked yesterday, 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.520 what's one position that you could maybe be okay with? 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.800 I think it is right tackle because you see that 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.800 guy coming if he gets free. All right, let's move 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.679 on to another topic that Jerry hit. This one was 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:29.080 a little small name your five best guys. Okay, she 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.240 messes up your home outlook, you know, your whole outline. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.280 But it's okay. No, it's okay. That's great. That's actually 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.640 a really great question. What we'll go around the table. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.120 I'll start your top five. No, no, no no, no, give 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.480 your five. Don't just give one, It'll give you five. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:47.880 Give me your five. Five. Well, then Amber starts Amber, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:56.480 you're up. Oh, okay, you ask the question. It's true. True. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.000 I mean we keep talking about wanting to have the 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.760 five guys on the field and shuffling around. Accordingly, I 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:11.000 think that obviously, so like Martin, Joe Looney, Ullo, Connor Williams, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.880 he's still in the mix and there, I guess, regardless 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.800 of the way he's been playing, which quite frankly, I 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.280 expected him to be doing better this year. But then 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.920 Brandon Knight, you have that. And honestly I did not 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:31.280 hate what um oh my god, I forgot his name, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.960 Yaddish Beaddish. I did not hate what he did. I 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:38.960 think that if they give him more practice there and 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.320 I saw him get a lot of help from Joe 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.199 Looney as far as being Joe Looney was still from 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.000 what I saw in the game, he was still being 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.440 the one who was communicating everything. So I think if 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.160 there is a combination there of helping each other out, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.920 I would say, for me, I would like to see 0:12:56.000 --> 0:13:02.040 that combo again, right, Nick, I will say this be 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.080 Idish was saying after the game that he was able 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.760 to do the calls. I'm sure Looney helped a lot, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.840 you know, just with lining up and all that, but 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.120 it is good. It is always important for the center 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:15.640 to do that. So he was able to do that 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.120 at least. Um. I think you forgot Tyrn Smith or 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:26.319 or not. So I would play I think if playing 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.480 this game, I would play tying it left. Um, I'd 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.920 keep Connor in there left guard. I would start um 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.200 be Idish and I would play Zach and then um Night. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.160 So you think Looney would be the guy that would 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.440 be out for you. Yeah, he's a he's a three 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.200 way back up. I mean, he's a guard, guard, center, backup. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:46.959 It's valuable to take, even though that's not as a 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.240 big deal anymore, Dave, because you have to take eight 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.040 linemen anyways to the game. So having all these versatile players, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.160 I mean, it's nice to have, but you know you 0:13:55.200 --> 0:14:00.840 can have at least eight. You have to have eight, Dave. Uh. Yeah, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.040 I mean I think what the coaches would probably do 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.000 is just plug Night or steal at right tackle and 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.920 try to keep the continuity everywhere else. I think, you know, 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.240 Mike McCarthy would probably trying to keep as many guys 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.360 in place as possible, but if it doesn't look pretty, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.320 I definitely think Tyler Biadas should be in there. And 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.280 then you have the choice of, you know, are you 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.080 sending Looney to the bench or are you moving Looney 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.440 to left guard for Connor Williams, Because I mean, if 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.680 you had to identify the two problem spots, it's it's 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.080 probably those two. I mean, you can talk about tackle 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.880 all day, but we know why they're struggling, whereas you 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.240 know Connor and Joe or the day one starters. So 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.520 I'm not ready to pull the plug on it yet, 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.640 but if they don't, if they do continue to struggle, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.760 I would put Beatish at center and then either Looney 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.720 at left guard or um or excuse me, or keep 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.360 Looney at center and move somebody else to left guard. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.560 Either way like the Connor and Joe or the two 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.360 spots that give me problems. Yeah, I'm completely with you. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.680 I think the issues that I saw last week that 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.600 obviously the tackles had a couple of plays here and there, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.520 but I was expecting that from them and I think 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.320 they managed that relatively well. I'm a little more concerned 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.440 about the left guard and the center position. So I 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.120 would take Tiring, I would take Zach Martin, I would 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.040 take Beyond as yet center. I would make Night my 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.640 right tackle. And then, to be honest with you, you 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.360 give me any one of the three Looney, Williams or 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.480 McGovern at left guard, I would like to see them personally. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.600 Give McGovern a shot. Let's see what he can do, 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.280 because I don't think those other two guys have necessarily 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.000 done so great to where you're like, well, we can't 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.320 can't get better there. So again, maybe they're seeing something 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.320 else in practice where they're like, hey, McGovern's just not ready. 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.000 He's not as good as these other guys, and maybe 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.440 that is a big problem. But I you know, again, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.000 my two problem guys really have been Looney and Williams. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.080 I was expecting a lot more from those two quicks. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:57.760 We got a mail back question this point. I don't 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.080 know how to Dave answered it, but it was like, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.800 why is mcgoverned getting any looks? And I was like, well, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.080 he's getting looks right and not for us, but but 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.960 he's not doing anything with it, you know obviously in practice. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.560 So I mean it's not like so you'd rather have 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:16.880 someone with zero experience and take Kyle, a veteran guy. Yeah, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.840 but if the veteran's not playing very well, the veteran 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.400 doesn't really matter, you know. I mean the look at 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.720 cam Irving. Cam Irving had experience, and they decided this year, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.960 going into the season, this was before he got hurt, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:28.920 they were like, we'd rather go with the guy has 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.080 zero experience than put him out there. So, but I 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.040 don't think experience is always necessarily the with the game. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.480 On the last important thing, he gave up a huge 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.000 sack at the end of the game. I'm not sure 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:40.960 cam Irving wood or would not have done that. That's 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.840 what I'm saying. And my point is he might have. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.760 And so I think you're kind of trying to weigh 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.120 is the experience gonna be beneficial if the guy really 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.560 is not that good, you know, I mean, experience doesn't 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.320 always mean that they're that they're better. 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And he was asked about 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.840 the safety position and asked specifically about Earl Thomas, and 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.280 Jerry's response was, I think the fair question is do 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.640 I want us to play better? And the answers yes, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.240 Do I see that we've got a path to getting 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.400 better without doing something that is out of our control, 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.439 which is acquiring a player? This is not necessarily in 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.960 our control at all. The circumstances or the demands might 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.920 be something that you don't want to do, all right, 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:11.840 So here's the questions I have for you guys coming 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.199 out of that first thing he mentioned was that the 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.960 path for them getting better was with the guys that 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.359 they have. You guys, agree or disagree with that comment. 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:26.480 Let's start first with you, Dave. I think I already 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:31.479 said yesterday I don't agree, so so no, I mean, 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.760 I mean, and you know, Jerry, honestly, I think the 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.760 first five questions of his interview today were about the DBS. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.240 I mean he you know, people are always saying to 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.080 hold people accountable. I mean he got hammered about it 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.879 for ten to twelve solid minutes, whether it's about signing 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.480 somebody like Earl Thomas or why do you think the 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.959 DBS can get better? He talked a lot about you know, 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.320 basically said like, given more time, these guys can pick 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.080 up the scheme better and use their instincts to be 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.080 in better position. And I guess my rebuttal to that 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.320 is what's your margin for error? I mean, because you're 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.639 you're one and two, and you know the Browns aren't 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.000