1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: I take questions as UM, yeah, just uh, you know, 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: kind of finishing up the week here. Um. You know, 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: the players will be off tomorrow, just trying to continue 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: to put things together from a team standpoint, so that 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: we'll uh you know be ready to you know, to 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: play a game. We would have this would have been 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: our third preseason game last night, so you know, generally 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: that's the point where things are starting to uh you know, 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: starting to come together a little bit, you know, from 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: a operational standpoint. And UM, so we we hit some 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: of that yesterday, we'll hit some more of it today 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: and um early in the next week, um, you know 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: before we start, uh turn into more of the regular 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: season preparations. So um, definitely making progress and moving ahead. UM. 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: I think we can all kind of see the um, 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, how quickly this is all gonna pull together here, 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Um in the next call at ten day or so, 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: when we'll be in full regular season preparation mode. So 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: we've got a lot of work to do. But players 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: have really worked hard and you know, had a great attitude. 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 1: We haven't had a great tempo yesterday on the field, 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: and we learned a lot from that, and you know, 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: we'll just continue to build on it. So our first 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: question Ben Vaughan, followed by Jonathan Jones. Good morning, Bill. 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: My question today is about fans. There probably won't be 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: too many fans in the stands this year. Just curious 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: how does that affect preparation and just game day for 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: you guys as well well. I think the biggest effect 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: will be the crowd noise situation. We've experimented with some 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: of that, working through that, so I'm not sure exactly 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: how that'll go, and it may be different when we 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: go on the road, depend on how other teams handle 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: it in their stadiums. So I think we'll just have 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: to see. We've in the past, you know, handled everything. Um, 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: We've played when it's quiet at home, We've played when 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: it's loud on the road, and vice versa. Depend on 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: what side of the ball we're on. So I think 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: we're we're ready. If it's somewhere in between, which is 39 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: probably what it'll be, then we'll just you know, adjust 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: to that. I mean, we can only control we can control, 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: so really it's the crowd noise. And then I would say, 42 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: you know, just if there isn't much energy in the stadium, 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: then which we're not expecting then obviously it's up to 44 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: us to you know, not count on the fans to 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: give us that that energy boost, which we don't have 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: on the road anyway, but you know, and now would 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: have to, you know, obviously bring on our own energy 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: at home. What about the fact that I think two 49 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: of your opponents are scheduled to have some fans, but 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: most other games won't be. How do you feel about 51 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: the competitive aspect of some games wat fanned and some won't. Yeah, 52 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: all that's out of our control. And man, it's all 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: governed by you know, local laws and ordinances and so forth. 54 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: So that's another way you do about that. Next question 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, followed by Mike Greece, Morning Bill. A few 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: of your players over the past couple of months have 57 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: spoken about how you've opened the floor to discussions within 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: the team on issues of racing inequality. A few months 59 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: ago about Devin mccordy, you said you looked forward to 60 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: increasing your role in that process. What for you has 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: that looked like? What have you learned in your time 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: listening to black players, and what sort of actions or 63 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: discussions have you in the team undertaken these last couple 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: of days with the news around the Jacob Wake shooting. Yeah, well, 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: I'll keep the things that happened within the team, you know, 66 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: privately when the team that was the you know, that's 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: kind of the forum that we had, so I'll maintain 68 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: the integrity of that. But I've certainly learned a lot, 69 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: continue to learn a lot, and you know, we have 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: an incredible group of players. I'm so proud of this 71 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: team and the players we have on it. There the 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: way that they are involved in each other's lives as teammates, 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: the way that they raise their families and are involved 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: in the community on a number of different levels. So 75 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, we've always prided ourselves and doing things right 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: and not only being a good football team, but being 77 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: a pillar in the community. That continues to be our 78 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: our goal and our expectation, and I'm so proud of 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: what our players do on all those levels. Our next 80 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: question Mike Greece, followed by Marketings Bill. When we've discussed 81 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: specialists over the years, like when you guys maybe have 82 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: a younger punter and a veteran punter in there, I 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: think consistency is a word that I've heard a lot 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: from coaches just on how you you would determine whether 85 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: to transition to lesser proven the specialist. Sort of with 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: that in mind, I was curious about the kickers, like 87 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: with road West or is there just not enough time 88 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: to have a body of work for you guys to 89 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: feel like comfortable turning it over to him, just based 90 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: on the dynamics of what we're dealing with here. Yeah, well, Mike, 91 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, as you know, this is not an uncommon situation, 92 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: um for rookies. Uh, you know, there there are we 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: can both remember countless examples of guys that come to 94 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: training camp as rookies and um, you know, have an 95 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: injury and you know they're not able to play in 96 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: preseason or they're only able to play in the last 97 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: preseason game or something like that, and and uh, you know, 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: in those situations, you know you have to make a decision, 99 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: just like we will this year. We'll have to make decisions. 100 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: So this year, some of the playing or personnel rules 101 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: are a little bit different. Um, so we'll take those 102 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: into consideration, but I mean, ultimately we'll we'll have to 103 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: make decisions and do what we feel like it's best 104 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: with a football team. And so that's what we'll do next. 105 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Question Mark, Sorry, Mark Daniels falled by Philip here Bill 106 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: on Nikil Harry, I mean, obviously to kill it up 107 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: to a bit of a slow start last year, you'd 108 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: not being on the field for a portion of his 109 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: first year. How has he done this year? And you know, 110 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: with you know, the offseason you guys have had, and 111 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: what type of development and growth have you been able 112 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: to see from Nikkiel, you know heading into year two? Well, 113 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: as I said a couple of times, you know this summer, 114 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: I think our players in second year have all made 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: a significant um jump and growth in their knowledge both 116 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: of our system and what they see on the other 117 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: side from other teams in the league and our opponents, 118 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: and just you know, the general maturity into professional football. 119 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: So um, they all fall into that category. And that's 120 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: certainly the case from Nikiel as well. He's much more comfortable, 121 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: as much better understanding this year than what he what 122 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: he did last year. He's been productive for us on 123 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: the field. Um, he still has a lot of football 124 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: in front of him out of growth, and you know, 125 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: he works hard every day. He's a you know, he's 126 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: a physical, tough kid that likes to compete. You can 127 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: see his competitors out there on the field, and that 128 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: allows him to get better. Um and with his work 129 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: ethic and toughness and competitiveness like those are all good 130 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: qualities for players to improve. And that's really where all 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: players are in their second years. They're not they're not 132 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: where they're going to be. Um, they're on the way up. 133 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: And if they work hard and continue to UM work 134 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: on the skills and the techniques of their craft, and 135 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, they'll be able to get closer to achieve 136 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: their potential. Thank you, Yeah, you're welcome. It looks like 137 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: the last question with Phil Perry, go ahead, Phil, Hey, Bill, 138 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask about Jared. He mentioned yesterday 139 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: that he was feeling pretty good and it looked like 140 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: he maybe got a little bit more work yesterday. How 141 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: important is it to you to get him as much 142 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: work as possible now, um, not just for this year, 143 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: but to a value lad him for the long term, 144 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: especially with there maybe being you know, at that position, 145 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: just looking at some of the contracts and things like that, 146 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: some some uncertainty there at what's obviously an important position, 147 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: right Well, Um, yeah, of course, Phil, every every position 148 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: is important, and every player is important, and every evaluation 149 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: is important, so we want to do the best we 150 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: can to get all of them right at every spot. So, 151 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: all right, that's what we'll try to do. Well. We 152 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: have a certain amount of time and a certain amount 153 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: of reps and practices that we can allocate to evaluating 154 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: the players and also getting our team ready for the 155 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: opener and getting our team ready for the sixteen game 156 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: regular season schedule. So it's really a combination trying to 157 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: balance all those things. Whatever we do is gonna impact 158 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: some other area. We try to do the best we 159 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: can to balance it and try to get enough information 160 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: so that we feel like we can make the right decision. 161 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: And that doesn't always come equal installments. That could be 162 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: quite different depending on the players, the position, or the 163 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: situation or the development of the team. We might be 164 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: further ahead in one area than another and so forth. 165 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: So in the end, we just have to try to 166 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: figure out how to balance that out, how to compensate 167 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: and and get to the best place we can be competitively, 168 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: not only for the opener, but to put ourselves in 169 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: position to keep compete for sixteen weeks in the regular season. 170 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: So that's what we're trying to do. And it's again 171 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: it's a balancing act. There, there's it's not. There are 172 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: choices we have to make, and we'll try to make 173 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: the ones that we feel will you know, in the 174 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: end most benefit the team, and we'll give us the 175 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: best opportunity to make the best evaluations we can make. Sorry, 176 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: one final question been Well, you did an interview the 177 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: other day I think it was with Rich Eysen where 178 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: you said you'd like to see a little more consistency 179 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: in the rules between the NFL and college football, and 180 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: one of the things you brought up was pass interference ROOL, 181 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: and it sounded like you're more in favor of the 182 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: college pass interfere and ROOL. And I'm just curious why 183 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: that Why that is? Well, I was asked a very 184 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: general question, and I do think that the more that 185 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: those rules can be consistent, I mean, right now, there 186 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: are over sixty differences between the college and professional playing rules, 187 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's somewhat confusing for fans. 188 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean all honestly, the rule book is is difficult 189 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: for coaches and players at whateverever level they play in 190 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: just because the volume of UM rules and not only 191 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: just rules, but sometimes examples or um what they call 192 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: like case you know, case studies or um. So it really, 193 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, it can get kind of complex, as as 194 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: you know from covernance. Sometimes you just got to go 195 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: and really you know, redefined print in there. So I 196 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: think the more that we can make consistent for players 197 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: and coaches and in all leagues and the fans as well, 198 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. You know. The one thing about 199 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: the colleges is that they have players at a younger 200 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: age than we do, and so they can train them 201 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: in certain areas and so if they're being trained in 202 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: those areas and then for us to you know, change 203 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: the training, you know, things like defenseless players and personal 204 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: fouls and you know rules like that roughing the passer 205 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: and all that. The more of there's consistency, the more 206 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: of that flows for the training of the player. And 207 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: when you go from one thing in college to the 208 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: same situation but now it's officiated differently at our level, 209 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: then that can be somewhat challenging and confusing for players 210 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: until they get adjusted to it and adapt to it, 211 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: which eventually they will. But you know, I just think 212 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: the process could be or I would like to see 213 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the process smoothed out a little bit. I understand that 214 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: they're two separate bodies, and you know that it is 215 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: what it is. But if I could, if I could think, 216 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: the question was, you know, if I could have a change, 217 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: what would it be That would be kind of along 218 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: the lines that I would be thinking. So all right, 219 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: thanks everyone. Yeah, well, the past interference rule, you know, 220 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a big penalty for past interference. Um, 221 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: but you know, whatever it is, it is. I mean, 222 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: it's the same for every team, and but I do 223 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: think that if it was the same in college and 224 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: professional football that will be a lot easier on the fans, especially, 225 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, like the hardcore fans. Yeah, but I mean 226 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: there are millions of fans I watch TV that you know, 227 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: the watch pro football and college football that don't you know, 228 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: know every single rule in the rule book. And I 229 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes it's you know, would make a little smoother 230 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: flow for them. So okay, thank you. I appreciate it.