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Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go, it's

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Speaker 1: our two. Five minutes out from Matt Hasselback. He'll have

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Speaker 1: great stuff. Sean McDermott has been dismissed by the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: I've said it earlier, John Elway. They moved off Dan Reeves,

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Speaker 1: who had been to three Super Bowls. When you have

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Speaker 1: an all time great quarterback talent, very good is not

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Speaker 1: good enough. Also should be noted Zach Charbonnet significant knee

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Speaker 1: injury for the Seattle Seahawks. He's their number two running

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Speaker 1: back after Walker. He's gonna need surgery. He is out

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the playoffs, So it dings up

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Speaker 1: that running back room. Walker's very good, especially after contact.

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Speaker 1: He had an out face run in that game where

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Speaker 1: they handed it to him right. Brady had a great call,

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Speaker 1: so did Kevin Burkhart. We just pivoted left and went

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Speaker 1: a running back. So Walker's really good out of Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: But Sharboney is excellent his depth provided he is now out.

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Speaker 1: So you know that's not a position. If you beat

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Speaker 1: the Rams, you want the ball out of the hands

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Speaker 1: of Matt Stafford. You want to run the ball, move

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Speaker 1: the pocket, keep it away from that number one Rams offense.

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Speaker 1: So that is something. And here we go on a Monday,

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Speaker 1: Colin right, Colin wrong?

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right? Well.

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Speaker 1: I picked Denver to up in the Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and win the AFC West, And I said, I thought

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Speaker 1: they were with bow Nicks good enough to get to

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Speaker 1: a conference championship. Didn't know if they were a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl team. And here they are. Listen, bow Knicks was

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Speaker 1: the leading rusher. He had a really bad month stretch

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Speaker 1: in the season. I mean he was egregiously bad, but

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton never doubted him. Two for two on big

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I know there's a lot of haters, but

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Speaker 1: a spotty stretch in the regular season, but he's a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Tough bummeries out, but Denver and Bownicks are

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Speaker 1: for real where Colin was raw listen, Josh Allen's great,

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Speaker 1: probably the best athlete I've ever seen play quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: you can't have four turnovers. He presses in key spots

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Speaker 1: like before half and the other thing he missed docs

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Speaker 1: Dawson knocks that tight end he missed him late in

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Speaker 1: have a veteran star quarterback. So again, whoever lost a

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Speaker 1: turnover battle lost the game this weekend. And as much

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Speaker 1: as I love Josh Allen, not one of his best outings.

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: There is no sportscastro in America outside of the New

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Speaker 1: England region who has been banging the drum for the

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Speaker 1: Patriots between the free agent spending, Vrabel Drake may. I

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Speaker 1: just think people want their playoff teams to be spectacular,

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Speaker 1: need it. Where Colin was wrong. I defend CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 1: not just mistakes. It's the kind of mistake he's making

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Speaker 1: throws that at this point in his career, and with

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Speaker 1: They're not all on him, but it's a bad throw

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Speaker 1: and the weather wasn't even as bad at that point.

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Speaker 1: In two playoff games, he completed fifty two percent of

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I picked the Seahawks to make the playoffs. They were

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith and Mike McDonald is the Sean McVay on defense.

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Speaker 1: I think they have three things that are dangerous. A

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Speaker 1: miss on draft picks. This roster is stacked. Where Colin

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Speaker 1: won sixty six percent of his games? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Do you know how hard it is to win sixty

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur cannot be fired in Green Bay. Where Colin

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Speaker 1: I worried about Chicago. Their fourth down packages weren't great,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski I said when Cleveland fired him, he's going

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Speaker 1: until John Harbaugh was available. Stefanski interviewed for Baltimore, New York, Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: It looks like now, in hindsight, maybe he should have waited.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew what was going to happen to McDermott, who

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Speaker 1: Stefanski is come on, two time coach of the Year

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right. Finally, despite every mock draft having

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright, Colin wrong with that. Matt Haffl, back eighteen

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Speaker 1: let's start with Sean McDermott. I said this before, is

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Speaker 1: for your Jimmy Johnson, You're Bill Walsh, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: think McDermott's going to get a job very quickly. How's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a great coach. I think he's a really

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Speaker 4: good coach. I think this is, you know, a big surprise.

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Speaker 4: I could just say this as a player who's been,

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Speaker 2: Man, do you feel guilty, like you feel.

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Speaker 4: Like you know you saw Josh Allen at the podium

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Speaker 4: like I let my teammates down. I can promise you

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Speaker 4: it's twice as bad today. He feels like he let

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Speaker 2: I mean they did.

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Speaker 4: When you lose a head coach, you flush out just

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Speaker 4: about everybody. A new new head coach comes in, New regime,

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Speaker 4: But Josh Allen, I think, you know, if he was

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Speaker 4: just talent alone, he's the MVP. But this is going

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Speaker 1: What did you make of the interception? I won't I

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Speaker 1: What did you make of as a former high end

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Speaker 4: I think that they had to go with whatever they

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Speaker 4: then you know the Denver Broncos came out with it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not surprised by the call. I guess I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Denver, listen, you go to Jared Stidham.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I mean I think bo Nix is unbelievably underrated,

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Speaker 4: you know, I really do. I think he's a very

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Speaker 4: Through and then they pulled Cam Newton out of nowhere,

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Speaker 4: maybe we can build it. You know, they were craving

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Speaker 4: you know in college. I don't think he's Bonix, but

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Speaker 2: Uh no. But I can also just say as a

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Speaker 4: You know, when you're a backup and you practice every

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Speaker 2: This is what you're training for.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes as a backup quarterback, the feeling is this.

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Speaker 4: It's like you study for like a final exam, like

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Speaker 4: Night and day from last year? Caleb Williams night and

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the best things you can

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk Rams. They only had three drives.

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Speaker 4: I think they're a great team number one, And you

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't be surprised either. So I think the Rams

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Speaker 2: That way, He's he's next level.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where matt the weakness is. Like, I

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Speaker 2: I don't want to give that up, Colin. I'm kind

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Speaker 4: So I know what I would do, but I don't

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Speaker 4: And I just think like they're all about the mission,

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Speaker 4: They are singularly focused on one thing, one mission, and

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Speaker 1: Well, you know that you're from that New England region,

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Speaker 4: But now, listen, I think they're a year ahead of

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Speaker 2: At some point it's going to be all on this quarterback.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be all his team, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to pivot back finally, because the story of

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Speaker 4: that's the most likely outcome. Doesn't mean that the Rams

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Speaker 4: can't get it done. We've seen how those games have

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Speaker 4: gone between Seattle in LA. But I think if you're

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Speaker 4: thinking just like the home field advantage, who's hot right now,

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Speaker 4: who's rested, all that kind of stuff, I would I

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Speaker 4: would be kind of surprised if it didn't didn't go

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Speaker 4: that way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so Seattle gets an extra day of prep, and

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Speaker 1: the Rams also played an overtime session, which is something.

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Speaker 1: It's another you know, fifteen twenty whatever snaps it.

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Speaker 2: Is, it's not nothing.

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Speaker 4: And you know, like there's there's also this idea of

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Speaker 4: really knowing your opponent and playing somebody three times, and

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Speaker 4: there's there's like that's where I really feel like coaching

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Speaker 4: is more important than ever, Like when it's a third matchup,

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Speaker 4: now we're really saying, okay, who's got the better coaching

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Speaker 4: staff in all three phases? Defense, offense, and I think

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Speaker 4: in this matchup, in particular, special teams has been a

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Speaker 4: huge factor.

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Speaker 1: Oh huge, big edge Seattle. For the record, we had

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Speaker 1: a graphic we can put it up again that are

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Speaker 1: staf put up how close the Rams and the Seahawks are.

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Speaker 1: And this will be the third matchup, and again it's

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Speaker 1: McVeigh against the defensive version of McVeigh and one point

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Speaker 1: separates these two after two meetings. Like you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: they've scored the same I mean they really And also

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Speaker 1: Seattle doesn't miss on its first couple of picks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at this. Seattle scored fifty seven, the Rams fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: The yards are separated by a single yard. I mean

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Speaker 1: we were saying this earlier about week seven or eight.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't this kind of what we thought we'd end up

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Speaker 1: with as San Francisco was falling apart and Philly couldn't

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Speaker 1: find their offense.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I think these are the two best teams in football.

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Speaker 4: Have been saying it for a while, so like, no

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Speaker 4: no offense to whoever in the AFC is representing the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl, this is the Super Bowl. To me, these

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Speaker 4: are the two best teams in football this year. And

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Speaker 4: you know like you mentioned special teams. I'm curious if

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Speaker 4: the La Rams are even going to let Seattle return

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Speaker 4: a kick like Rashid Shaheed, are you just or are

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Speaker 4: you just gonna say, hey, you know what, we'll we'll

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Speaker 4: just give you the touchback. We'll just give it to you.

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Speaker 4: We'll just like here, you get the free yards. We're

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Speaker 4: just not going to give up a big one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, he returned a punt for a touchdown

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Speaker 1: against the Rams last time. Yeah, to your point, like

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Speaker 1: we don't want him touch the ball period.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and you do this like if you remember, like

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Speaker 4: I remember when I was playing, Devin Hester was that

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Speaker 4: kind of a guy.

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Speaker 2: Josh Cribs.

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Speaker 4: There were some guys that were just like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: we'll just give you all the extra yardage.

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Speaker 2: We just can't we can't have you wreck the game.

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Speaker 4: Steve Smith was that way, just kick it out of

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Speaker 4: bounce or just you know, we need a touchback.

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Speaker 2: We need a touchback. And I think Rashiet scha Heat's

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Speaker 2: been that kind of player for Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, Matt as All, thanks buddy, all right, see

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Speaker 1: you Yeah, I mean I I people are talking about

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Speaker 1: scenarios if you got Seattle in New England. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's like New England's a little bit younger

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Speaker 1: version of the Great Brady teams. I mean, Drake May's

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Speaker 1: obviously younger. It reminds me of a lot. I get Craft,

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Speaker 1: I get the quarterback younger, but I get the OC

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Speaker 1: and Brabels Belichick just a more current version. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: It's the hurd.

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Speaker 1: Away ten openings. A third of the league memo to

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Speaker 1: all the teams that stress payations patients is a virtue.

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Speaker 1: Virtues don't win playoff games. Think about this. One year ago,

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Speaker 1: Chicago's a mess. Blow it up. Look at them now.

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Speaker 1: One year ago Girodmeo got a deal, fall four or

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Speaker 1: five year deal. Blew it up. Look at New England

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville bringing a new coach, right coach for now, a

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Speaker 1: veteran quarterback first place. I mean, go a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, Nathaniel Hackett Denver said nope, one year out.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's like, yeah, Russell Wilson out, go with a rookie.

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Speaker 1: Look at Houston three thirteen and one before Demko Ryans.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Pittsburgh's, hey, we do not fire coaches

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Well, the New York Giants are like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do. We just got John Harball. Atlanta's like, we do,

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Speaker 1: we just got an upgrade to Kevin Stefanski. So like

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Speaker 1: Buffalo has been playing this thing for years, they're being very,

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Speaker 1: very patient, and patients is overrated. I mean, there is

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Speaker 1: no such thing in the NFL as a five year plan.

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Speaker 1: There are five year con tracks. There are not five

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Speaker 1: year plans. And I mean it's just like in life,

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Speaker 1: you can see awful or overwhelmed. Or great very easily.

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Speaker 1: It's much harder when the margin shrinked. Yeah, it's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he's quite good enough. But you

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Speaker 1: can you can look at what's happened last couple of

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Speaker 1: years pre Liam Cohen and Jacksonville, or you know Nat

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Speaker 1: Hackett or Matt Eberflus in Chicago, or you know David

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Speaker 1: Cully was in Houston. Is I mean Chicago, New England, Denver, Houston.

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Speaker 1: They needed to act quickly. They weren't real patient. Let's

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Speaker 1: try something new and it worked and again you got it.

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Speaker 1: There are five year contracts. That doesn't mean there's five

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Speaker 1: year plans, you know. And I've also said this for years.

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Speaker 1: My big takeaway in the NFL this season, the NFL

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Speaker 1: remains the league of hope. Look at how bad a

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Speaker 1: awful the Bears were last year, look at how unwatchable

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Speaker 1: New England was last year, and look at them now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you go to the end of

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Speaker 1: the Pete Carroll era two years ago in Seattle and

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Speaker 1: you're like, man, I don't even know what we are.

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Speaker 1: Two years later, be favored for the Super Bowl two

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Speaker 1: years if you got if you find the right coach

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Speaker 1: you upgrade and pivot off Geno. Gino's good enough. Noise

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Speaker 1: not no, not Sam Darnold's good enough. So you know,

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Speaker 1: and unlike the NBA, in the NFL, you're drafting twenty

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Speaker 1: three year old men who are ready to produce immediately.

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Speaker 1: That's why rebuilds in the NBA take years. Even if

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Speaker 1: you get like san Antonio, every draft pick right NFL,

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Speaker 1: eight months later, you could be a number one seed.

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Speaker 1: It is the League of hope, one of the great

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Speaker 1: straints of the NFL. And here's J Mack with a

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Speaker 1: news no, no, no, this is the head I knew.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's pivot your quarterbacks and start with c J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud.

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Speaker 6: Ninety minutes into.

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Speaker 2: The show, we have not.

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Speaker 6: Mentioned the quarterback who was the worst this weekend. I mean, Colin,

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Speaker 6: I cannot believe.

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Speaker 2: How futrid c J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud was.

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Speaker 6: Okay, four interceptions in the first half.

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Speaker 2: That one right there nearly broke me.

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Speaker 1: Colin.

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Speaker 6: Watching this game, I'm like, come on, Texans, and I don't.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know what he was doing. Stroud did

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Speaker 6: take full responsibility after the game, but I don't know

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Speaker 6: what that's worth.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 7: I just feel like I let people down and you know,

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Speaker 7: not not happy with that, and you know it hurts,

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Speaker 7: and I'm not you know, naive to it. And I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna just keep bating for you know, you know, call

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Speaker 7: be for me, who can be against me? And I'm

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Speaker 7: just gonna rely on that. But yeah, I think you know,

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Speaker 7: even today, you know, just our team doing great. You know,

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Speaker 7: our defense, you know, getting stops, you know, and I'm

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Speaker 7: just being careless with the football. I gotta, you know,

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Speaker 7: get that fixed and so that I know I can,

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Speaker 7: so I'm gonna get gonna get that done.

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Speaker 1: Further record, my buddy John Middelkoff mentioned it this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Who was CJ. Stroud's comp coming out of college. It

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Speaker 1: was Jared Goff. They said, he's a pocket quarterback. He

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Speaker 1: is a touch thrower. He's not a big cannon guy.

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Speaker 1: He is a rhythm touch thrower. Golf has struggled in

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Speaker 1: bad weather. C J. Stroud has really struggled on the

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Speaker 1: road and in bad weather. He looked totally Jason out

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Speaker 1: of sorts. I mean, his ball was lagging, it was behind.

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Speaker 1: He just did not I mean, and the thing that

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Speaker 1: you worry about, he has an extension. He's available for

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Speaker 1: an extension. He's not getting it this off, this game,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting it. What do you mean not getting it?

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Speaker 1: Come on, you're going to wait another year.

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Speaker 6: I don't know about that. So, yes, he was putrid

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Speaker 6: against Pittsburgh. He was terrible. Yeah, yesterday, I mean it

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Speaker 6: was unwatchable.

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Speaker 1: He killed him.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, just to be clear, the Patriots

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Speaker 6: were not good yesterday. They had like two hundred and

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Speaker 6: fifty yards Drake Name fumbled the ball away. This was

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Speaker 6: a game into the fourth quarter. Stroud just couldn't do

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Speaker 6: a damn thing. And I know we've seen this with

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Speaker 6: other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Colin.

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Speaker 6: I just want to remind people I love Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 6: a lot. Coming out of college. He was not great

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Speaker 6: in Jacksonville and there was the same chatter. Well, I

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Speaker 6: don't know about an extension. He hasn't done anything in

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Speaker 6: the playoffs. He had a four to four interception game

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Speaker 6: against the Chargers. They did win. That you have to

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Speaker 6: extend Stroud. I think the bigger question is, remember we

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Speaker 6: touched on this earlier this season. Nobody else was on this.

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Speaker 6: Stroud's agent is David Mulagetta. Muligeda got his guy, Micah

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Speaker 6: Parsons out of Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of Houston fans that don't

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Speaker 6: want to hear this. I don't know if Stroud wants

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Speaker 6: to be in Houston. Remember he showed up in like

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Speaker 6: baseball hats of other teams. That's a Lebron move. Okay,

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Speaker 6: we'll see what happens. I think you have to give

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Speaker 6: him an offer. I don't think you give him a

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Speaker 6: max money deal. This is actually good.

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Speaker 1: If you're Houston, Hey.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna give you.

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Speaker 1: A too more friendly. There have been rumors about the

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Speaker 1: Rams bringing back California natives c J. Struck.

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Speaker 6: I think we started the most show and he would

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Speaker 6: do great in the NFC West warm Weather.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to get McVeigh. Everybody is their best

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Speaker 1: football player with Sean McVay. Have you ever noticed that,

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Speaker 1: like every they got I'll get into this later, they

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Speaker 1: got more guys who are stars in this league that

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Speaker 1: are fourth, fifth, sixth round picks. So like c J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud Ramp, you're not getting c J. Stroud in Houston

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Speaker 1: would not be c J. Stroud with Sean McVay. It's

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Speaker 1: like Sam Darnold with the Jets. And then you see

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold with Seattle in Minnesota. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and c J. Stroud is still young, who's coaching them?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What ecosystem are they in?

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Speaker 2: C J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud with time throws a beautiful ball.

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Speaker 6: The only big concern for him is Conin. You remember

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Speaker 6: as a rookie he was great. He was like, whoa,

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Speaker 6: this guy's had a schedule and I think Aikman hit

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Speaker 6: on this on the broadcast.

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Speaker 1: Do you think c J. Stroud has improved since he

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Speaker 1: has regressed?

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Speaker 6: I haven't seen it. Now to defend him, and I

659
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Speaker 6: know we'll get a pay attention to the media closely. No,

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Speaker 6: Nico Collins his best receiver. Yesterday, Dalton Schultz had a

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Speaker 6: big play early and then got hurt. Yeah, the left

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Speaker 6: tackle go down. So there was a lot of things

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Speaker 6: working against him. Wood he marks, you know, taking up

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Speaker 6: space in the blue tent as usual every week. He

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Speaker 6: wasn't a perfect setup and the Patriots defense looked good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean Colin, he was bad.

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Speaker 7: He was bad.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 6: Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles. Obviously they moved

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Speaker 6: off of OC Kevin Petullo last week, and Howie Roasman

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Speaker 6: is getting questions about aj Brown. Now there is a

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Speaker 6: report and I had to ask our guys, Zach, where's

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Speaker 6: this from. Well, it's from the athletic, a very credible outlet,

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Speaker 6: and their assigning blame to Jalen Hurts, who has been

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Speaker 6: a source of much internal frustration within the organization.

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Speaker 1: Now I do During the summer, I had a great,

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Speaker 1: not a good, a great source inside very close inside

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Speaker 1: that building that said Jalen Hurts was not well liked.

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Speaker 1: That a lot of guys thought he was. There's a

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Speaker 1: little Russell Wilson thing here where he's not one of

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Speaker 1: the guys. He's not wildly popular. I said this in August,

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Speaker 1: and this source has been great, and this has been

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Speaker 1: an impeachable person for me that has not missed. He said,

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Speaker 1: keep your eye on Hurts if they struggle. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of pushback in that locker room. He's not He's not.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the great things Tom Brady did, maybe better

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Speaker 1: than any great player ever at quarterback. Everybody liked Tom.

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Speaker 1: There's never been a bad word from a player like

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Speaker 1: young guys, old guys. Randy moss Leeds still loves Tom.

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Speaker 1: There is value in just connecting with everybody, and there's

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Speaker 1: a feeling. We've seen it with Russell, there's a feeling.

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Speaker 1: I love Jalen Hurts. I think he's a really good guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in that locker room. But my source was

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Speaker 1: pretty direct and said it's not all roses in that

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Speaker 1: locker room, and Hurts can turn some players off.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so they're looking at Brian Dabole as the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: Here's the only problem with that, the Buffalo Bill's job.

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Speaker 6: That just so you know, who led Josh Allen to

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Speaker 6: becoming a superstar, Brian Dabele. I think he's got to

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Speaker 6: be a strong candidate Jimmy Joe Brady for that and

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Speaker 6: now go ahead.

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Speaker 1: And the air thing is, if he took the Philadelphia job,

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Speaker 1: he'd be great, But that would just mean Sirianni keeps.

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Speaker 6: His job and then Dabele moves on in a year

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Speaker 6: to the Jets or wherever.

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Speaker 1: Right, if Buffalo is available, you take Buffalo, period. I

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Speaker 1: don't care what the money is. If Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: the Bills are available, new stadium, Josh Allen's still in

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Speaker 1: his prime. That you don't get jobs like that's like

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Speaker 1: getting Green Bay, mat Lafleur getting Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

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Speaker 1: Those jobs don't open up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is troubling for Hurts. He was so good

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Speaker 6: last year. I know Saquan was amazing MVP of the

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl. I'm gonna just hold off on bashing him.

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Speaker 6: I obviously not disputing your report because the athletic coming

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Speaker 6: out now saying the same thing. Not great in Philly.

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Speaker 6: Final story, Colin, there's a college football game tonight. Let

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Speaker 6: me see the calendar January nineteenth, Then there's a college

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Speaker 6: football game.

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Speaker 1: What a world.

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Speaker 6: Indiana against Miami Hoosiers have been incredible. Luckily college football

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Speaker 6: has Kurt Signetti to keep a killer mindset. Here's an

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Speaker 6: awesome quote from the Indiana.

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Speaker 9: Coach cleaning up this game. There's been a lot of

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Speaker 9: pro Indiana hype, a lot of rat poison out there.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 9: I've witnessed quite a bit of sentimentalism throughout the week

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Speaker 9: from some of our seniors who we've been with quite

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Speaker 9: a long time. I think it's time to sharpen the saw. Now,

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Speaker 9: throw those warm fuzzies over out the door. That sentimentalism.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's time to go play a game against

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Speaker 9: a great opponent. We got to have a sharp edge

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Speaker 9: going into this game, and you know you don't go

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Speaker 9: to war with warm milk and cookies.

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Speaker 1: Love it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Now here's here's the problem for the people upset

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Speaker 6: that to Natti is tonight next year, January twenty fifth,

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Speaker 6: the for the College Football Championship. So they got to

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Speaker 6: fix this thing because there's like not a lot of

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Speaker 6: juice for this game. Colin, right, NFL, you got coaching five.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in there will be tonight. This will get a MESSI.

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Speaker 6: It'll get a big number. It'll be interesting. By the way,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you saw over the weekend. So

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Speaker 6: this ballooned up to eight and a half for Indiana.

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Speaker 6: It has come down. I don't know, seven and a half.

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Speaker 6: I think eight and a half is obviously way too much.

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Speaker 6: This was five and a half for Indiana before they

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Speaker 6: smoked Oregon, right, so then a big adjustment. I h

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Speaker 6: I think I need Indiana to win by a field goal,

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Speaker 6: but I think Miami keeps us close. This just should

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Speaker 6: be a good game. I take the seven and a half.

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Speaker 6: Anything from you.

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Speaker 1: I think Indiana wins. I think it's close. I think

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Speaker 1: I think Michigan's gonna Miami's gonna ugly. It up with

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Speaker 1: their defense at front. Miami's got great line play. And

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Speaker 1: this will be the third Natty that Carson Beck has

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Speaker 1: played in. You're not going to get some nervous quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's winning them for Georgia. Now he's playing

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Speaker 1: for Miami, So I mean Miami crystal Ball has been

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Speaker 1: in big games. Carson Beck's been in big games O line,

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Speaker 1: D line for Miami and these national championship games. O

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Speaker 1: line and D line dictates a lot of outcomes. It's

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Speaker 1: not your receivers, it's not your backs who dominates the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Indiana's got their work cut out for

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Speaker 1: them tonight. I like the Hoosiers, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: really competitive.

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Speaker 6: Carson Beck can make himself a lot of money tonight.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of debate.

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Speaker 2: Who's the second best quarterback, third, fourth.

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Speaker 6: Carson Beck's in that mix. There's a big game for

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Speaker 6: him tonight if he shows up and plays well.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the News.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd.

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Speaker 1: Line News, a remarkable piece of information from the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Next be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 3: weekdays and noon Easter n A em Pacific.

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Speaker 6: I will ready tipping off in prime time as Ohio

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Speaker 6: State battles Michigan Friday night, eight eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: The most resourceful team of the four left in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: there's no disputing this. The most resourceful getting the most

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Speaker 1: out of the perceived least is the Rams. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put this up. I'm not going to read it at all,

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Speaker 1: sorry to the radio audience. The Rams have twelve players

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Speaker 1: I will list that are either undrafted, third, fifth, sixth,

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Speaker 1: or seventh round, and they get production from all of them.

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Speaker 1: I didn't list both tight ends also fourth rounders. Two

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Speaker 1: of their tight ends are fourth rounders. Two of their

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Speaker 1: tight ends. Nobody in the league, especially of these teams left,

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Speaker 1: has this much production. I mean, they've only had one

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Speaker 1: first round pick in the last nine years. One now

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Speaker 1: they hit on it, Jared Verse one. That is impressive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is and this is buying a lot

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Speaker 1: of seven dollars stocks. You look up and they're twenty

795
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Speaker 1: four bucks a share. They get a lot out of third, fourth, fifth,

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Speaker 1: sixth guy. Their left tackle is undrafted. That's unheard of.

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Speaker 1: Nate Landman went to Atlanta first. They got him for

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Speaker 1: a song out of the Falcons. He's undrafted. I think

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Speaker 1: he was a Colorado guy who was playing on the team.

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Speaker 1: Nobody walked. I mean, Poka Nakua's arguably your offensive player

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Speaker 1: of the year. He's a fifth rounder. At the time,

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Speaker 1: New England was desperate for a wide receiver. They passed

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Speaker 1: on him four or five times. So I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just they you know again, Stafford's great. Nobody disputes that,

805
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Speaker 1: and Jared Verse some of their defensive guys. But man,

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Speaker 1: they get a ton you know they Jordan Whittingham Less

807
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: Sneed's son played at Texas, apparently told him, hey, dad

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Speaker 1: got great leadership skills. They go get him in the

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Speaker 1: sixth round. He made big catches, so they just squeeze

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Speaker 1: every ounce of town. Here's McVeigh again on the big win.

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Speaker 8: I thought our defense was outstanding, got special teams, made

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Speaker 8: the plays that they had to make, and then offensively, Man,

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Speaker 8: I did not do a very good job for our

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Speaker 8: group tonight, but I thought our guys were able to

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Speaker 8: overcome it. I thought we were able to be at

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Speaker 8: our best in the most important moments, to be able

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Speaker 8: to string together some dries.

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Speaker 1: Guys just kept battling.

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Speaker 8: They kept believing, and that's what it's about.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no style points.

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Speaker 1: It's about being.

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Speaker 8: Able to in advance. And we were able to do

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Speaker 8: that in a tough, hostile environment.

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Speaker 2: And it was cold today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was, it really was. So they just you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: for every team that gets here, you got to squeeze

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Speaker 1: as much juice as you can out of your team.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got like New England, by the way,

829
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Speaker 1: had a great draft. New England's hit on four or

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Speaker 1: five of the rookies for New England have been out

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Speaker 1: of this world good. It should also be noted the

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Speaker 1: Rams now are very healthy. The Seahawks are overwhelming. They're

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Speaker 1: losing Charbonne the running back. Seattle's very healthy. New England

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Speaker 1: now Christian Gonzalez is playing. New England is very healthy.

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Speaker 1: Denver is except for bo Nix's out. So you know,

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Speaker 1: people talk a lot about, you know, injuries, and you

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Speaker 1: know there's some star quarterbacks getting hurt. What happens is

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Speaker 1: when you have a star quarterback like a Lamar or

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Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes. A lot of times when you're paying

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Speaker 1: big money, your offensive lineusiness is good. Your past protection

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Speaker 1: for Kansas City, last couple of years has been bad

842
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: and Mahomes is getting beat up. So but it is.

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Speaker 1: We're lucky. I'll tell you. I you know, I'm watching

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Speaker 1: this game. Very rarely do you lose a game and

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Speaker 1: then the next morning you wake up and you feel

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Speaker 1: pretty good about it. If you're a Chicago Bear fan,

847
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: and this is rare, not only do you have a coach,

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00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: he may be your last coach for a decade plus,

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Speaker 1: not only do you have the right quarterback. How many

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL can say this If you're a

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00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Chicago Bear fan, we don't need anybody offensively for a

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00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: couple of years. Their tackles are young. Joe Tooney is

853
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: so good you can move him to left tackle and

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00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: he's great. They didn't allow a sack and he's a

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00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl guard. Their center Drew Dolman from Atlanta. I

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00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: mean they don't. They could literally move one of their

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Speaker 1: wide receivers and get more or picks. Chicago's vision now

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00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: is very clear. This draft edge rusher, another corner, a

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Speaker 1: linebacker that moves well. Chicago's set