1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: When a teenage girl was found dead in a creek. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: The police said it was an accident, but was it. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: She had all these head injuries. I see her knuckles, 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: They're all battered, and I realized, no, these are defensive wounds. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: She's fought for her life. You've got to look into 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: this as if it's murder. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Determined to find her daughter's killer, a mother went in 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: search of justice. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: There is someone out there and they're getting away with murder. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: Her investigation led her to consider the unthinkable. Was her 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: daughter's death a result of something she did? 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: It just made me so sick to think it could 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: have been solved in wags instead. It was seventeen year saga. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Today, we're in Angora, j Alaska, for the first episode 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of Someone Is Getting Away with Murder. I'm Slow Glass 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: and this is American Hama Side. Just to note that 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: this episode contained some graphic content. Please take care while listening. 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Relocating from southern California to Anchorage was a big deal 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: for Karen Foster and her family. 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: My children had never been to an area like Angorage before, 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: and I was concerned that they would not enjoy the winters, 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: the cold, but they totally adapted immediately. 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: Ditching their shorts for snowsuits. Went easier than expected for 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: Karen and her children. 25 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: You know, Anchorage was incredible and there's so much to see, 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: and the kids were learning so much, you know, going 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: to glaciers, ski hills, you've got parks, you've got hiking trails, 28 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: there's just so much adventure there. 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Arguably Karen's most active child was her daughter, Bonnie, who, 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: by most accounts, was not your typical teenager. She wrote poetry, 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: played the violin, and planned to become a psychologist. 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 2: She started a group of students against drunk drivers when 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: she lost a really good friend of hers. So she 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: was very kind, caring, just a sweetheart day everybody. 35 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Bonnie had brown hair, a face full of freckles, and 36 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: stood just five feet tall, not exactly someone you'd expect 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: to see on a wrestling mat. 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: She was into wrestling, which is something I never really 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: wanted her to do. 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: At her high school, Bonnie even managed to break the 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: glass ceiling. 42 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: She was the first female wrestler in the state of Alaska. 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: Kristin McCart was friends with Bonnie. 44 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: She was always trying to like do things that other 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: people would perceive they shouldn't do. It was her not 46 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: to be friends with Bonnie. She was probably one of 47 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: the kindest people I've ever met. It was almost impossible 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: for somebody not to like her. 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Bonnie graduated from high school in nineteen ninety four and 50 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: planned to follow her boyfriend to college in California, but 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: her plan didn't work out. 52 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: Everybody's talking about like, what we're you gonna do next year, 53 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: and Bonnie seemed like sad a little bit about graduating, 54 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: and she wasn't going to be going out of state. 55 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: So Bonnie's mom wanted her to stay home for her 56 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: freshman year. 57 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: But ultimately that was her plan, was to go out 58 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: of stay with him. 59 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four, Kristen and Bonnie started classes at 60 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: the University of Alaska in Anchorage. 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: I mean, we were both working pretty much full time 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: to help pay for college because neither of us wanted 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: a lot of debt. 64 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, September twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four, Bonnie left 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: her home before sunrise to catch her bus to campus. 66 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: But nobody remembered seeing her at school that day. 67 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Bonnie never showed up for her seven am English class 68 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: or any of her classes that day. 69 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: Was really weird that she didn't come to school because 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: she didn't she I don't remember ever missing a day 71 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: of school in high school, Like even when she was sick, 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: she would still show up. 73 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: That evening, Kristen's boyfriend learned why Bonnie didn't make it 74 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: to class. 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: He said, they found Bonnie's body, and I was like, what, 76 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: like total shock. He just says, yeah, they found her 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: body at McHugh Creek. They don't know what happened, and 78 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: like I just started crying. 79 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: McHugh Creek runs through a state park some ten miles 80 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: from both the University of Alaska campus and Bonnie's home 81 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: in Anchorage. 82 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: We all wondered, like how she got there. She didn't 83 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: even drive a car. 84 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: Bonnie didn't have a driver's license and preferred taking public transportation. 85 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: But note buses went to that forest preserve. 86 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 3: And that was such a long walk. You would have 87 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: to walk down the highway quite a ways. 88 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: All of that added to the mystery. 89 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: It would have meant that she chose to get in 90 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: a car with someone, which she wouldn't have done. So 91 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: in my mind and in the mind of most of 92 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: our friends, we knew something had happened to cause her 93 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: to end. 94 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: Up in Mechu Creek. 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: Bonnie's mother, Karen, was vacationing in Florida when an Alaska 96 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: State trooper called her with the news. 97 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: A trooper gets on the line and he says, that 98 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: my daughter Bonnie is dead. She fell in a hiking accident. 99 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: The trooper explained that Bonnie slipped off the ledge at 100 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: a state park in Anchorage, hit her head on some 101 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: jagged rocks, and plunged more than thirty feet into a creek. 102 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: He told her that another hiker spotted her body that 103 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: afternoon and called the police. 104 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: I mean total denial. And I asked them who was 105 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: with her? He says there was no one with her. 106 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: I said she didn't drive, how would she have gotten 107 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: out there? And he has no answer for me. I 108 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: said what time was she found? And he said two 109 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon. I said, no, she should have 110 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: been at the university. She had papers that were due, 111 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: and she had a paper that she was going to 112 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: be handing in that day at her English class. 113 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: If Bonnie had gone hiking that afternoon, that meant she 114 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: would have had to skip school. 115 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: There's no way that Bonnie would have missed a class 116 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: she was very particular about going to school and going 117 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: to her classes. 118 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: Bonnie was found in a creek several miles from campus 119 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: with a dozen cuts to her head, including a deep 120 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: gash at the base of her skull. She also had 121 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: bruises on her knuckles, and strangely, Bonnie's back pack, keys, 122 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: and even the can of mace attached to her keychain 123 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: were missing. 124 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: Nothing made sense, so I immediately told him, no, no, 125 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: it's got to be murder. You've got to look into 126 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: this as if it's murder. 127 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Karen spent the long flight home trying to make sense 128 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: of what the troopers told her. 129 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: So from Florida back to Alaska, you're at least twelve 130 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: hours flying time, you can't sleep, and you're just you're shaking. 131 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: Who would hurt Bonnie? How could this be? 132 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Bonnie was a creature of habit and had routine every 133 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: morning when she went to school, So. 134 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: That morning, body would have gotten up, probably her own 135 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: five five point thirty, walked down the block and then 136 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: out to a bus stop a mile from the house. 137 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: She would have been at the university from a seven 138 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: am class until three in the afternoon. 139 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: Karen wondered if someone had been watching Bonnie and knew 140 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: her usual route, and that's one of thought sent chills 141 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: down her spine. 142 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: So I was a reserve police officer with anguage Police Department, 143 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: and we would go out and buy drugs from certain people. 144 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: We also had informants that would tell us who the 145 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: people were and who was selling drugs and stuff like that. 146 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: And just before Bonnie was murdered, we did a major bust. 147 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: Although Karen worked undercover, her name was listed throughout the 148 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: court documents. 149 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: All over the indictment. Is my name again and again 150 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: and again. They know who I am. And the people 151 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: that I identified had been released from the day before. 152 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: Those drug dealers Karen helped to put away were back 153 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: on the street the day before Bonnie's mysterious death. 154 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: You just never a thought that somebody like that would 155 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: hurt your child. It just made me so sick to think, 156 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: oh my god, Bonnie may be dead because of my 157 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: work with the police department. 158 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Bonnie Craig was supposed to be in 159 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: school on the morning of September twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four. Instead, 160 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: the police found her face down in a creek some 161 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: ten miles from her college campus. They ruled her death 162 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: a hiking accident, but after viewing her daughter's remains, Bonnie's mother, 163 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Karen was furious. 164 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: You see a Bonnie's body and I see her knuckles. 165 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: They're all battered, and I realized, no, these are defensive wounds. 166 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: She's fought for her life, and I told them, you 167 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: need to get back here, take more pictures. It's not 168 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: a hiking accident. 169 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: Karen worked with the Anchorage Police Department and at the 170 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: time had recently helped break up a dangerous drug cartel. 171 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: She feared that that bust might be connected to Bonnie's death. 172 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: Because of the work I've been doing. Maybe they have 173 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: gone after me. Maybe they are doing that to get 174 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: back at me, to get back atn Angriage Police Department. 175 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: Alaska State troopers took a second look at Bonnie's autopsy 176 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: and agreed that her death was not accidental, but they 177 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: assured Karen it was not the work of a local 178 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: drug cartel. 179 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: They said, no, this had to be somebody on their own. 180 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: There wasn't more than one person involved in this. 181 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: At the time, the troopers were focused on a different suspect, 182 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: Karen's ex husband, Gary, Gary was not Bonnie's biological father, 183 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: but he raised her. This was the person she called dad. 184 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: Gary and I got married when Bonnie was just three 185 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: years old, so Gary took over as dad immediately and 186 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: was always dad to her. 187 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: But Karen and Gary's marriage didn't last. The two divorced 188 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two, which stung their children. 189 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: You know, they didn't want their mom and dad divorced. 190 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: That's hard for kids. 191 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Although Karen and Gary tried to remain civil, it wasn't easy. 192 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: Things got especially tense when Bonnie decided to move in 193 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: with Gary right before she start to college. 194 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: I was devastated when Bonnie moved out. I mean, I 195 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: was so hurt because she didn't tell me. She said, 196 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: I didn't want to tell you because I knew you 197 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: would want to stop me. It's going to be easier 198 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: for me to get to school and to college, she 199 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: was talking about. 200 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: So just before college started, Bonnie moved in with her 201 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: then former stepdad, and there was a reason the police 202 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: wanted to question him. 203 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: Gary was supposed to be out of town and he 204 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: came back early. In fact, he got back the night 205 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: before and he was in bed sleeping when Bonnie left 206 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: for school the next day. 207 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: That caught the attention of investigators. 208 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: Because he came back early and Bonnie ended up dead 209 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: the next day. They were looking into it. 210 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: It was an uncomfortable situation, not only for Gary but 211 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: for Karen. 212 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: Gary was her dad, he loved her dearly. But yet 213 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: I still started to think could it have been him? 214 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: You know, we had gone through a nasty divorce and 215 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: he wasn't happy with me. There was anger towards me, 216 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: but no, not to the cats. 217 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: Investigators didn't want to spook Gary, so they came up 218 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: with a plan. They asked Karen, Gary, and all of 219 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: their children to voluntarily provide their fingerprints and a sample 220 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: of DNA. 221 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: They were afraid that if they just asked Gary that 222 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: he might lawyer up. 223 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: But Gary didn't lawyer up. He cooperated with investigators and 224 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: told them he had an alibi. 225 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: They had talked to people where he worked and he 226 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: was in the office that day. 227 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: Three months after Gary supplied his DNA to investigators, he 228 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: was finally cleared. 229 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 4: So we know that they did interview members of the 230 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: family and her boyfriend, but at the time they were 231 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: quickly ruled out as suspects. 232 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: Maria Downey worked for an Anchorage TV station. 233 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: Bonnie was Karen Foster's daughter, someone of who I've known 234 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 4: for years. 235 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: The two were longtime friends, and for Maria, covering the 236 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: murder investigation of a friend's daughter wasn't easy. 237 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 4: It was really tough. I think it was tough for 238 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 4: the whole community to hear that because Bonnie was such 239 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 4: a well loved young lady. She was Alaska grown. She 240 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 4: was always involved in from high school to junior high 241 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: and at the university, very active in the community, really intelligent, 242 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: young girl, kind, compassionate, and so we really hit the 243 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: community hard. 244 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: Karen confided in Maria and shared the frustration she had 245 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: with the Alaska State Troopers. 246 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 4: She felt like troopers weren't doing enough because she believed 247 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 4: right away there was a killer out there. 248 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: The troopers originally declared Banni's death an accident, which upset Karen, 249 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: but once investigators came around to what Karen originally suspected, 250 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: she was equally dismayed. And how little homicide detectives shared 251 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: with her. Keep in mind, Karen was an insider, one 252 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,239 Speaker 1: of them, and yet she was still shut out. 253 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 4: The repeat line was they weren't releasing more information. Now 254 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 4: we're all aware during a murder investigation, you do withhold 255 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: key information, but in this case, so much information was 256 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: with HOWLD that I really do think it jeopardized their 257 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 4: case because people out there who might have noticed something 258 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: suspicious going on never said anything because they thought it 259 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 4: was accidental. 260 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: At the time, Karen was a mom on a mission. 261 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: Nothing was going to stop her. She responded by holding 262 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: press conferences of her own. 263 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 4: I think it was so important to hear from Karen 264 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 4: because we were getting so little information from the troopers 265 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 4: that she helped to fill in some of the blanks 266 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: where Bonnie was supposed to be what she typically would 267 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: be doing that time of day, and it really helped, 268 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: I think, the community to start being more aware of 269 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: what they might have seen that day. 270 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: Karen then took it a step further. She started her 271 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: own investigation. Any lead that came in she'd personally look into, 272 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: including one about a student from Bonnie's English class. 273 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: And she showed me excerpts from a student journal a 274 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: student who happened to be in class with Bonnie, and 275 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 4: they were really disturbing, very graphic, very violent stories within 276 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: this journal. 277 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: He mentioned that September twenty eighth was going to be 278 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: a very stressful day for him that he was being 279 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: put to a test. 280 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: September twenty eighth was the day of Bonnie's murder, and 281 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: this student who wrote that September twenty eighth would be 282 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: a stressful day for him, was absent from class that day. 283 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: He seemed very violent and very angry, and in one 284 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 2: location had even said die bitch. 285 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: Later that day, on September twenty eighth, that student eventually 286 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: showed up to his professor's office. 287 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: And he came to her office later on in the 288 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: day and he looked soak and wet, like he'd just 289 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 2: gotten out of the shower, and she said he rereaked 290 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: of perfume. 291 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: That student informed the professor that he had been at 292 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: McHugh Creek that day when they pulled a body out 293 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: of the water. It was Bonnie Craig. 294 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: We both thought that that was incredibly strange, and so 295 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: we brought that to the troopers again, and they said 296 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: that they had already looked into him and they had 297 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: taken his DNA, and DNA didn't match. 298 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: It was another dead end for investigators. By this point, 299 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: nearly all of Bonnie's Fais, family, friends, and acquaintances had 300 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: been questioned. And cleared, meaning the suspect likely was someone 301 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: Bonnie didn't know. Three long years would pass before the 302 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: Alaska State Troopers revealed new details about Bonnie's murder to 303 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: the public. 304 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: The troopers told me Bonnie was raped. 305 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: On the third anniversary of Bonnie's murder, Alaska State Troopers 306 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: publicly shared that Bonnie had been sexually assaulted and severely 307 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: beaten just before she toppled over a cliff and plunged 308 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: to her death. They hoped this information would help someone 309 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: come forward with a name. Bonnie's mother once again felt 310 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: this information would have been helpful earlier in the investigation. 311 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: Three years after she was abducted, raped and murdered, they 312 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 5: finally allowed the public to know. 313 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: It was really difficult. 314 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: So the story just kind of kept unfolding along the way. 315 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: It's just stunning. 316 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: Journalist Maria Downey had never heard of holding this information 317 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: from the public for so long. 318 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 4: We asked the troopers repeatedly why they waited so long 319 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 4: and why this information wasn't released, and we never quite 320 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 4: got a clear answer. 321 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: At that same nineteen ninety seven press conference, the Alaska 322 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: State Troopers also shared that the backpack Bonnie was carrying 323 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: that morning was never recovered. 324 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 4: The troubling part about this is that I think more information, 325 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 4: a lot more details, would have helped this case. 326 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Bonnie Craig was murdered in nineteen ten ninety four. Throughout 327 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: their investigation, the Alaska State Troopers questioned dozens of suspects, 328 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: but by the year two thousand, the case remained unsolved. 329 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 4: We covered this story for months and then it was 330 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 4: years journalist Maria Downey. As time went on, we heard 331 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 4: very little about the case. It could very well be 332 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: investigators were working behind the scenes on it, but there 333 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: were still posters and there were still flyers being disseminated 334 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: years after to help solve this case. 335 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: Frustrated with the investigation, Bonnie's mother, Karen did her own 336 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: detective work. 337 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 4: Many mothers they want to find justice. They'll do all 338 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: they can to find closure, to find the person responsible 339 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: for their child's death. But Karen took it not just one, 340 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 4: not just two, but many many steps forward from there. 341 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: She was that. 342 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 4: Steady, informational source who would uncover things on her own 343 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 4: and investigat her own daughter's case, and she continually kept 344 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: front and center to get that information out to help 345 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: solve this case. 346 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: Karen did everything she could to keep the unsolved case 347 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: in the news. She continued to host her own press conferences, 348 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: and she made sure that Bonnie's face remained in the 349 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: public eye. 350 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: Throughout Anchorage, there were signs all over town. We're talking 351 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: big billboard signs, bus signs, basically to help find Bonnie's killer. 352 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: And that went on for years. 353 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: In giant letters, these billboards asked who killed Bonnie and 354 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: someone's getting away with murder. 355 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: I had people walking up to me all the time, 356 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: giving me a hug and saying they were sorry. They 357 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 2: were total strangers, but they knew from the amount of 358 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: interviewers I had done that I was Bonnie's mom. 359 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: Some people even called Karen with TIFFs late at night. 360 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: Even some psychics contacted her. No matter how far fetched 361 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: the information they shared may have seemed, Karen took all 362 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: of them seriously. 363 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: I would write everything down, I would take notes, and 364 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: I bring it to the Alaska State Troopers and they 365 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: would just say, okay, we're looking into it. 366 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: In two thousand, the DNA found in Bonnie when she 367 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: was murdered was entered into the FBI's Combined DNA Index 368 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: System known as CODIS. That program formally went into place 369 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight with the hopes of solving cold 370 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: cases like Bonnie's. 371 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: I truly believe that our only weapon of finding anything 372 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: it was DNA. 373 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: DNA helped to clear all of the suspects the Alaska 374 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: State Troopers questioned except for one, and this is someone 375 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: we haven't talked about yet, the bus driver who drove 376 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: Bonnie to campus on the morning of her murder. 377 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: They got some reports that he had been inappropriate with 378 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: a couple of young girls on the bus. 379 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: Notably, that driver wasn't the usual driver. 380 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: For the route that day. I think he was filling 381 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: in for somebody else, and he took off just after 382 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 2: that day. 383 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: The bus driver sort of disappeared, but the troopers tracked 384 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: him down and immediately were suspicious of his story. 385 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: When he was interviewed, he said he didn't see Bonnie 386 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: on the bus, and then I believe the Alaska State 387 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: Troopers had a couple other people that said, yeah, she 388 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: was on the bus, so they were concerned. 389 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: So investigators collected a sample of the bus driver's DNA 390 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: and tested it to see if it matched the DNA 391 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: found in Bonnie. When the results came back, they were 392 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: all speechless. 393 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: The DNA came up with the match. 394 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: This was the moment that Karen had been waiting for. 395 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: You're just hoping so much that yes, make this it 396 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: and get the evidence so that we can convict somebody. 397 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: But there's more. The Alaska lab that did that testing 398 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: was equipped to test six spots of DNA. Then investigators 399 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: ordered a more advanced DNA test that looked at thirteen 400 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: different points of DNA. 401 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: After they did a second DNA test, they knew, no, 402 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: it's this isn't the guy. It's unbelievable, Just freaking unbelievable. 403 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine her disappointment. That had to have felt 404 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: like two steps forward one huge step back. It was 405 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: another blow to investigators and Karen. 406 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: It was like my guts had been ripped out. I 407 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: basically shut down. 408 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: In September two thousand and one, Karen had plans to 409 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: do her annual press conference on the anniversary of Bonnie's death, 410 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: but then came nine to eleven. 411 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: After September eleventh, I decided, you know, our whole nation's 412 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: grieving and it was time to move on. The murder 413 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: of one girl in Alaska was nothing compared to September eleventh. 414 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: Instead of going back on the media circuit, Karen decided 415 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: to take a more low key route. 416 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: Not that I was ever going to give up. I 417 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: would always check with the Alaska State Troopers and ask 418 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: what was going on, if they're doing anything, is there 419 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: any leads? 420 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: Their answer was always the same nothing. In two thousand 421 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: and two, the TV show Unsolved Mysteries highlighted Bonnie's case, 422 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: but once again there were no arrests. It wouldn't be 423 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: until two thousand and six, some twelve years after Bonnie 424 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: Craig's murder, that news came in about the investigation. 425 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: I am in Thailand, on a remote island, and I 426 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: get this email saying that it's from the Alaska State 427 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: Troopers fan that he would really like to talk to me. 428 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: Karen managed to get to a telephone. That's when she 429 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: heard the words that she had been waiting over a 430 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: decade to hear. 431 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 2: He found the killer. 432 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: DNA evidence led Alaska State Troopers to a suspect some 433 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: three thousand miles away in New Hampshire. 434 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: They had identified somebody who's matched. 435 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: The suspect was a man named Kenneth Dion, who at 436 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: the time was thirty seven years old. 437 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: He was addicted to oxy conton and successfully robbed a 438 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: couple of pharmacies to get his oxy conton. 439 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 1: At the time of his arrest, Kenneth Dion was serving 440 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: time for those robberies. In two thousand and six, his 441 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: DNA was put into the National CODIS database and quickly 442 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: matched the DNA found in Bonnie. 443 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: They were almost one hundred percent sure that this was 444 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: the guy who killed Bonnie. 445 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: Alaska troopers flew out to New Hampshire to interview Kenneth Dion. 446 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: Kenneth claimed he had no memory of Bonnie and denied 447 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: any involvement in her murder, but his DNA said otherwise, 448 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: so the police arrested Kenneth and charged him with sexually 449 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: assaulting and murdering Bonnie Craig. In the twelve years between 450 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: Bonnie's death and the arrest, the name Kenneth Dion never 451 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: came up as a suspect. 452 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: He didn't know Bonnie and none of us knew him. 453 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: It was a total random crime. 454 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: Even with her daughter's suspected killer and custody, Karen couldn't 455 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: shake a bad feeling. 456 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: I always thought I would be so excited and relieved 457 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: to hear that, and I just got so fearful thinking, 458 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 2: Oh my god, are we going to be able to 459 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: convict him? Oh, We've got his DNA. 460 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: And his defense team would put up a fight that 461 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: would force investigators to account for a key piece of 462 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: missing evidence. 463 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: All you need is one juror who could end up throwing. 464 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: The case, all of which would push Karen's patience to 465 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: its limits. 466 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: It could have been solved in weeks. Instead it was 467 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: seventeen year saga. 468 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: Would end with Karen engaged in a totally different fight. 469 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's too important. We need to change 470 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: this law now. 471 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: In the conclusion of someone is getting away with murder, 472 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: we'll go into the court room where a key piece 473 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: of evidence goes missing. I'm Slow Glass. That's next time 474 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: on American Homicide. You can contact the American Homicide team 475 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: by emailing us at American Homicide Pod at gmail dot com. 476 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: That's American Homicide Pod at gmail dot com. American Homicide 477 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: is hosted and written by me slown Glass and is 478 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: a production of Glass Podcasts, division of Glass Entertainment Group, 479 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. 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