1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Did an AI artificial intelligence guru plan the perfect murder 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: of a Yale grass student just after his marriage proposal. 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: I'm Macy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: being with us. 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 3: A Yale grad student, newly engaged, gunned down next to 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: his damaged prius. Was it road rage or it targeted attack? 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: Who killed Kevin giong road rage? 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Seemingly the motive? Listen. 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 4: I can't speak to the intent. I can't speak to motive. 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 5: What I can tell you is that there was an accident, 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 5: and we are exploring whether or not that was material 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 5: in terms of the motive under for which he shot him. Again, 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 5: it's too early to talk about that, and I can't 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 5: share that, but what we can say is that we're 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 5: exploring absolutely every angle, including the fact that there was 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 5: an accident for seated the encounter. 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 6: One week after Kevin Jeong's engagement to the love of 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 6: his life. Police are now informing his mother and his fiancee, 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 6: Zion Perry, of his tragic death. Detectives say the women 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 6: are distraughts and can't understand why anyone would have killed 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 6: Kevin Jeong. 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: I guess so distraught, and this guy, the shooting victim, 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: scrubbed in sunshine. Number one, devout Christian, number two, brilliant, 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: studying mercury levels in fish as part of his Yale 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: graduate degree. I mean, comes to the parents, come to 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: this country, work their fingers to the bone, get their 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: son into Yale University, the IVY League, Yelle, No, their 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: dreams come true. That's the lottery ticket, the golden ticket. Right, 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: you get into an IVY league. He's doing great, he 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: gets engaged. In fact, the money is so tight. He 32 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: lives with his mother. You were earlier hearing sound from 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: our friends at Fox sixty one, the mom that he 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: lives with. 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: The fiance I think he met at. 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: Church, completely distraught what happened? And then I just here 37 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: police refer to an accident. Wait a minute, Dave mac 38 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: joining me, Crime online dot com investigative reporter, accident accident. 39 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: How many times was the victim shot at point blank range? 40 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: Let me tell you point blank and we'll go to 41 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: an expert on this. Because the victim's face had soot 42 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: common vernacular gunshot residue on his face that only comes 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: from a point blank shooting. 44 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: That's no accident, Dave mack. 45 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 7: No, that's the perpetrator standing over the prone body and 46 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 7: pulling the trigger eight times in the face. That's what happened, Nancy. 47 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 7: There was no road rage accident. There was a whole 48 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 7: lot more going on in this case. 49 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 2: Joining me right now, longtime colleague, veteran defense attorney in 50 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: this jurisdiction, Boston based lawyer Peter Ellikin, author of an 51 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: incredible book, Super Predators, the Demonization of our children by 52 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: the law, and the tough on crime myth. Disagree with 53 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: all of that. Peter Ellikin, you and I have argued 54 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: about a lot of cases. I've prosecuted a lot. You 55 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: have defended a lot in court. But wouldn't you agree 56 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: shooting somebody eight times, including in the face, at point 57 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: blank rage, at point blank range. I don't know that 58 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: rage actually describes that eight times over a fender bender. 59 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 8: I agree that that would be my first clue that 60 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 8: it's a personal thing. 61 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: Usually when people do, I guess you call that overkill. 62 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 8: You don't just shoot somebody to kill them, but you 63 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 8: keep shooting again and again and again. At that point 64 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 8: you say, gee, this must be personal. It's not just 65 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 8: somebody bumped into somebody's car, particularly when we're there and 66 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 8: said the shooting started instantly after the bumping of the car. 67 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: Elkan, you all represented roads rade, road ragers. Correct, you have, 68 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: and they have the defense of voluntary manslaughter. 69 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: Now do I think that's legitimate? 70 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: No, because voluntary manslaughter is typically in the heat of passion. 71 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I don't know. 72 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: When you went to law school, they always use the 73 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: example a man comes home and finds his wife in 74 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: bed with another man. Why is it always her? Why 75 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: is she always the cheater? Because the law professor is 76 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: a man. 77 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: That's why. That's another can of worms. 78 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: Peter ellikin what kind of rage or wild anger, boiling 79 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: blood would get you a manslaughter as opposed to murder? 80 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: One? 81 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 8: I think that if it's in the heat of passion, 82 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 8: the person didn't plan on hurting anybody, The players didn't 83 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 8: plan on killing anybody, suddenly snaps and in a few 84 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 8: seconds just kind of blows up and maybe even ten 85 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 8: seconds later. 86 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 4: Says, oh my gosh, what did I do? 87 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 8: That would be a heat of passion as opposed to 88 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 8: you know, another kind of intentional enough, and I could 89 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 8: see why the police if they arrive on the scene. 90 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 8: The first time they see there was an accident, somebody's dead, 91 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 8: that might be their first instinct to look into. 92 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: That, to see if it was a road rage. But 93 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 4: certainly they. 94 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: Would, didn't You just say that the person would commit 95 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: the act shooting, although I mean eight gunshot wounds, including 96 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: to the face, but then immediately regret the day. This 97 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: guy didn't come back, He drove off, He didn't come 98 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: back to try to save Kevin. He didn't come back 99 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: to check on him, He didn't call an ambulance, nothing. 100 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: So that defense is out the window. What did a 101 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: witness say? Listen? 102 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 6: A witness says she looks out her window after hearing 103 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 6: the gunshots and sees the shooter standing over Young, who 104 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 6: was already down on the ground in the street. The 105 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 6: gunman fires additional shots at close range. Detectives at the 106 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 6: scene recognized Jeong has the appearance of stippling on his face, 107 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 6: something that can only happen from being shot at close range. 108 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 6: New Haven homicide Detective David Zorweski believes the evidence of 109 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 6: close range gunfire is indicative of something more than a 110 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 6: random shooting or even a case. 111 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: Of road rage. 112 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to renowned board certify forensic pathologists, 113 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: consultant medical examiner, doctor Eric Essen, doctor Ason, thank you 114 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: for being with us. Explain and regular people talk, okay, 115 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: straight vernacular. 116 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: What is stipling? 117 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: How do we know these bullets were fired at close rings? 118 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 9: Yes, I get asked this in court all the time. 119 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 9: Stippling also known as gunpowder tattooing. Basically, when a gun 120 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 9: is fired, you have the bullet that leaves the gun, 121 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 9: but also you have other stuff that leaves the gun. 122 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 9: And so you have the burned gunpowder, which causes soot 123 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 9: deposition onto the skin or on the target, soot similar 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 9: to what you see in like a fireplace. And then 125 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 9: you have what's known as the gunpowder that did not 126 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 9: burn up in the shooting, and so that leaves the barrel. 127 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: And if the. 128 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 9: Gun is close enough to the target, those unburned gunpowder 129 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 9: particles are going to strike and a braid or scratch 130 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 9: the skin and leave these red purple dots on the 131 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 9: skin known as stippling or gunpowder tattooing. And when I 132 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 9: see that at autopsy, basically I know that the gun 133 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 9: was within probably about two to two and a half 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 9: feet from the body. No further away than two to 135 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 9: two and a half feet, but it was not touching 136 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 9: the skin. It was not more than two and a 137 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 9: half feet away. It was up close and personal, within 138 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 9: inches from the body. So up close and personal or 139 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 9: point blank is what was referred to earlier on. 140 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Eric Aason. Now we know that typically gunshot residue 141 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: is a fine mist spray like baby powder. Okay, I've 142 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: used that in court as a demonstrative, can travel around 143 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: thirty six inches. Okay, yes, which means that's why if 144 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: you can catch the perp, you immediately want to do 145 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: a GSR gunshot residue. 146 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,359 Speaker 1: Shot on their hands, their arms. 147 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: Their wrists, in between their fingers, and it's very delicate 148 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: like baby powder. 149 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: If you just do this, it's gone much less. 150 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: If you let the purpm go to the bathroom and 151 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: they wash their hands over, you're not going to get 152 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: that now. Stippling to my understanding, as you said, tattooing 153 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: is different from just a gunshot residue, which has a 154 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: fine mist spray up to thirty six inches. Stippling or 155 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: tattooing is point blank. In other words, to my understanding, 156 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: you're the expert. Of course, the gun is practically if 157 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: not touching the skin. 158 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: Explain, inches away from the body is what we have. 159 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 9: Because the further you pull the gun away, the less 160 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 9: likely the gunpowder is going to have enough energy or 161 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 9: velocity to even reach the target. And so you have 162 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 9: to be with inches away. As soon as you get 163 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 9: to two and a half feet, the stippling or the gunpowder, 164 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 9: the unburned gunpowder is no longer going to have enough 165 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 9: energy to reach the target and it's just going to 166 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 9: fall off into the environment. And the other thing I 167 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 9: need to mention is that the gunpowder tattooing, these are abrasions, 168 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 9: so you can't rub them off at autopsy. We wash 169 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 9: the body and they cannot be scrubbed off. They're permanent. 170 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: On those counts. They are the cuts, right, scratches actually 171 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: scratches like a tattoo. You get cut and the ink 172 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: is injected. I mean, you know where I'm going with this. 173 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: IRV Bran IRV Brandt, US Marshalls Service, chief inspector all 174 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: over the world trying to hunt down criminals, author of 175 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: a series of books on Amazon about Jack Solo. Who 176 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: could that be patterned after IRV? Let's get down to it. 177 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: Why do I keep talking about stippling and gunshot residue. 178 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: Because this perp goes over to Kevin Right, the yl 179 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: grad student, the one of devoting his life to helping people, 180 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: the one that just announced his engagement on Facebook, that 181 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 2: one that lives with his mother and supports her. That 182 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: one goes over to him, gets down on the ground 183 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: to this guy and holds the bullet to his head, 184 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: to his face and shoots him eight times. Now, I 185 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: got a lot of names for this perp, but it's 186 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: nothing I could say on air. 187 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: What about it? 188 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 10: Brant Nancy, you're exactly right when you're describing a road rage, 189 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 10: someone getting out of the car, losing their minds, fighting, 190 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 10: just fire and shots wildly. Is completely different from shooting 191 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 10: someone then going up to the body and taking careful 192 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 10: aim and shooting people, shooting that person in the head 193 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 10: to make sure that they're dead. So you're exactly right 194 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 10: with that. 195 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: He orv Look at your screen, Look at your screen. 196 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: There he is proposing to Zion. Hey, Dave mac do 197 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: they meet in charch Neither here nor there. I'm just 198 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 2: trying to remember where these two met. 199 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 7: They actually met on a weekend Christian retreat. 200 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: We know what the witness says, but listen to what 201 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: cops say. 202 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 11: At eight thirty pm on February sixth, police responded to 203 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 11: the scene of a shooting in New Haven. When they arrived, 204 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 11: they find Jiang deceased in the street. About a hundred 205 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 11: fet away was his car, a Prius. Forty five caliber 206 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 11: casings were also found at the scene, and it appears 207 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 11: Xiang had been shot multiple times. 208 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 6: Police get surveillance video from a nearby home. Playing the video, 209 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 6: they can hear the sound of a car crash before 210 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 6: Kevin Jong's Prius enters the frame. His car is followed 211 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 6: closely by a dark suv. Jiong's Prius comes to a 212 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 6: stop while the suv moves in reverse. Jeong exits his 213 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 6: car and is walking toward the suv as he walks 214 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 6: out of the frame on the surveillance video. Seconds after 215 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 6: Jeong is not visible on the video, eight shots and 216 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 6: a scream can be heard on the recording. 217 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, who murdered a twenty six 218 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: year old rising star, a Yale grad student who had 219 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: just gotten engaged to be married, and why why would 220 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: anyone pick this target when you don't know where to go? 221 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: When you hit a dead end, and an investigation you 222 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: go back to the victim. 223 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: Are there any clues in Kevin's background? 224 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 11: Kevin Giong is a twenty six year old overachiever. He 225 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 11: is a graduate student at Yale School of Environment, where 226 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 11: he is a second year master's student conducting research on 227 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 11: mercury levels in fish. He is a former lieutenant in 228 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 11: the US Army National Guard, serving in the one hundred 229 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 11: and eighteenth Multifunctional Medical Battalion of the Connecticut National Guard. 230 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 11: He brings his mother from Seattle to live with him 231 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 11: and volunteers to work with the homeless. Deeply religious, Kevin 232 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 11: has just proposed to the love of his life, Zion Perry, 233 00:13:48,280 --> 00:14:07,479 Speaker 11: who posts a video of the proposal on our Facebook page. 234 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: To doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us renowned clinical psychologists, author 235 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of Your Anxiety. As 236 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: I was watching that video, the dichotomy, you know this 237 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: was posted just days before he was gunned down like 238 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: a dog in the street. 239 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: The dichotomy of that happy moment. 240 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: Compared to the juxtaposition of him lying there in the 241 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: snow in the shadows of Yale University's family fought so 242 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: hard to just advance him, help him, help him make 243 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: his dreams come true when they were all coming true. 244 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: That harsh dichotomy has a lot to take in, doctor Chloe. 245 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Yes, Nancy, it certainly is. 246 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 12: As a clinical psychologist, obviously I see a lot of 247 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 12: hard things, but just seeing that simple, joyful moment, knowing 248 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 12: what's about to happen, is heartbreaking, not only as a psychologist, 249 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 12: but frankly as a mother. I really grieve for his 250 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 12: parents and obviously for her as well. I see this 251 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 12: as a mother and as a wife. 252 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: You know Peter Elikin as a veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney, 253 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: author of multiple books. He's at Elekancriminal Defense Attorney dot com. 254 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: Peter, you and I have sat many a time on. 255 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: A dark set at Court TV and chill in and 256 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: on and on, and we are always shocked at crimes. 257 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: But I think as I was watching that engagement video, 258 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: I think I realized why I'm so angry and upset 259 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: about this. It reminds me so much of my fiancee Keith. 260 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: Not long after proposal, he was gunned down, including multiple 261 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: shots to the face the head, and everything just ended 262 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: for me, much less for him and his family. 263 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: And to his mother's dying breath, Peter. 264 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: They asked her at her bedside, Mom, what are you 265 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: thinking about? 266 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: She said, just memories. I'm having memories of Keith. 267 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: Years later, decades later, Miss Griffin passed away thinking about Keith. 268 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: I mean, do you just take your hat off, your 269 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: defense hat off, just one moment. Do you ever just 270 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: look at somebody in court and think about the wake 271 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: of pain they leave behind. It goes on and on 272 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: for it for decades to come. 273 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's not just the immediate pain. They're still 274 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 8: crying twenty five thirty years later. I understand that, particularly 275 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 8: as you've described that. I've heard you describe Keith many times, 276 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 8: and so this young man is like the greatest person 277 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 8: that I've ever heard of in my life. He was 278 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 8: helping the homeless. He was a Navy lieutenant, still in 279 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 8: the National Navy Army lieutenant, still in the National Guard, 280 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 8: and he went the Christian retreats, and he was a 281 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 8: star in school, and he. 282 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 4: Didn't have an enemy in the world. 283 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 8: And I think that's why when the police were first looking, 284 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 8: they were trying to say, okay, who would be shooting him? 285 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 4: And they couldn't make any connection. They couldn't see anybody, 286 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 4: so it is. 287 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: And then they had to just go with this guy 288 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: so angry over a thunder bender, and Peter, you have 289 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: a son, all right? 290 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: Look at this guy, this guy. Can I see a 291 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: picture of. 292 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: Kevin Okay, when he's smiling, he's got perfectly straight. 293 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: To look at him in his little suit. 294 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: Somebody had to buy in that suit, get him all 295 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: dressed up, play for his pay for his orthodonics, get 296 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: him probably tutors and this and that to get him 297 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: to yell. I mean, this guy worked full time, even 298 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: to save money. He brings in You think you think 299 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: he was in the Rotzia for nothing. They help you, 300 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: They pay for your school. Right, Look at this, I mean, Peter, 301 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: we work so hard and pour in all our love, 302 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: all our energy, all our money, everything into our children. 303 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: You get him into a gratitude an ivy league and 304 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: you think, hey, oh I did it. 305 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: He's in he's gonna make it right. 306 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: And then this, I mean, what this family must have 307 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: gone through is just wrenching. 308 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 4: This is the heartbreaker of all time. 309 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 8: As I said, I've never seen anybody who hit so 310 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 8: many great points in life and they say taking his 311 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 8: mother in and even their place to live and helping 312 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 8: the homeless, and you know on in the military back considerate. 313 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 8: I mean, this is like the best person in the world, 314 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 8: and it's just got all that everything that went into this. 315 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 8: And what could he have done in the future. I mean, 316 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 8: he was working for environmental things and you're working for 317 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 8: church things. What would have happened if he could have 318 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 8: had another sixty years of life. 319 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: Don't make me even more angry than I already am. 320 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: Peter Ellikin. So this is what we know so far. 321 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: At road rage. 322 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: Erupts into a point blank execution style and murder. But 323 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: what do some random shots and to an upscale on 324 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: New Haven, Connecticut neighborhood have to do with this? 325 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: Listen? 326 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 11: Police in New Haven, Connecticut are surprised when a call 327 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 11: of shots fired ring out on a cold December eleventh 328 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 11: and a residential neighborhood. Five gunshots are reported and a 329 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 11: home is struck multiple times, but nobody is wounded. Police 330 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 11: find several forty five caliber shell casings at the scene. 331 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 11: Weeks later, a second shooting similar to the first takes 332 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 11: place on January fifteenth, Then a third shooting on February fifth, 333 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 11: and another the next day, Gary sixth. Nobody is injured 334 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 11: in the shootings, but police do find a common thread. 335 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 11: At each scene. Forty five caliber shell casings are recovered, 336 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 11: and at the last two shootings, a dark suv is 337 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 11: reported fleeing the scene. 338 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: So police ears prick up when they start piecing together, Hey, 339 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: some RANDO is shooting into these homes. And I'm pretty 340 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: sure that new Haven, Connecticut is where all a lot 341 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: of the rich people live and they don't take kindly 342 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 2: to people shooting into their homes. So that was investigated 343 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: out the ying yang even though no. 344 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: One was harmed. 345 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: Forty five caliber shell casings, a dark suv new Haven, Connecticut, 346 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: not far from Kevin's murder. So some RANDO shooting into 347 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: windows is going. 348 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: To be really hard to find because they're not really 349 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: connected to any of the victims. 350 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: That or of brand makes it so hard to find 351 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: a perp when they don't have any direct connection to 352 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: the victim. 353 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: It's like a needle in a haystack. 354 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 10: That's exactly right, Nancy, the random shootings. Trying to piece 355 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 10: it together, it's hard because the only explanation you can 356 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 10: come up with at first is it's just a serial 357 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 10: shooter who doesn't care who his victims are. And that's 358 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 10: not helpful in an investigation because that doesn't produce any leads. 359 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 10: You have to be able to connect these incidents to 360 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 10: each other if you have any hope of solving the crime. 361 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: Really difficult and random shootings. So please find nothing in 362 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: Kevin's background. So they search back into. 363 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: The day of the shooting. 364 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: What happened that day? They had another dead and of 365 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: course he was an angel. 366 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: Listen. 367 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 13: On February sixth, Kevin Jeong and Zion Perry spend the 368 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 13: day outdoors, ice fishing, a catch a pickerel, and cook 369 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 13: dinner together at Perry's apartment in East Rock. Jeong leaves 370 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 13: after dinner just before eight thirty pm, and it's only 371 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 13: a couple of blocks from Perry's apartment when he is 372 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 13: rear ended by another vehicle. 373 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: A railroad track and a series of shootings tied back 374 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: to the death of a Yale grad student. How and why. 375 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: Railroad tracks? What railroad tracks? What does that have to 376 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: do with Kevin getting gun down in a road race? Fit? Listen, 377 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: what are you doing back here? 378 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 4: Though? I just got each here accidentally? I got stuck. 379 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: Is there any way to get stuck here. 380 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: Uh, the only thing I can do is call you 381 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: a tow truck. 382 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 13: Okay, cool? 383 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: Fix. So this guy is stuck on. 384 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: Railroad tracks in the snow. But what if anything, does 385 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: that have to do with Kevin getting gunned down just 386 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: after he announces on Facebook he's engaged to Well, listen. 387 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 14: From the security guard. That's Simmis Medal Management. I just 388 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 14: had somebody drive through my yard here. They didn't know 389 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 14: where they was going, so I had been chosen them 390 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 14: around the yard and they just pulled away in the 391 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 14: back off the property. Took a black minivan type of thing. 392 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: So, Dave Matt, you're hearing security at Sim's Metal Management, 393 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: and we've got surveillance video of the black suv. 394 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Driving around and around. 395 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: It looks like a video game within the I guess 396 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: it's the storage facility area of the metal management company. 397 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: And then he ends up somehow getting stuck on railroad tracks. 398 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 7: What happened, Well, actually, it's a salvage metal operation going 399 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 7: on there. And here's the kick. It's near an interstate 400 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 7: through way, so they have a lot of people to 401 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 7: get lost. They miss their turn and we'll pull back 402 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 7: around into the south jarred area to turn around when 403 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 7: they're not quite sure where they're headed. So when he 404 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 7: calls when the security guard calls police, this is a 405 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 7: little bit different than what he has seen in the past. 406 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 7: And he tells them, Hey, they're out here driving around 407 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 7: through the lot, and he is describing how they have 408 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 7: now pulled to the back section of the lot. 409 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: And that's what. 410 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 7: Made him worried. You know, he's been flagging this cat 411 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 7: down all the way over the parking lot and calling 412 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 7: police to say that there is a car in the 413 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 7: parking lot. Not uncommon, but this one is a little different. 414 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 7: And that's where we've got the car in the snow 415 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 7: on the railroad track and stuck at the back of 416 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 7: this South Middle salvage yard. 417 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: Let's take a look at that body cam video again. 418 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: Look how calm and cool this guy is stuck? 419 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 4: What are you doing back here? Though? I just got 420 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: you here accidentally I got stuck. 421 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: Is there any ways you get stuck here? 422 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 7: Uh? 423 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 4: The only thing I can do is call you a 424 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 4: tow truck. Okay? 425 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: Cool? 426 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: Fix Er brandt adjoining us a veteran law enforcement with 427 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: the US Marshals and prolific author erv I wouldn't think 428 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: twice about this guy. 429 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: Did you see his demeanor? 430 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: He's totally calm and kill He's like, hey, can you 431 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: help me? I mean, you would expect anyone involved in 432 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: a crime to take off. 433 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: Running or at least look nervous. He's not even nervous, nothing, 434 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: super calm. 435 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, It's very surprising that he could be facing 436 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 10: a law enforcement officer and be that calm about it 437 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 10: and offer up a reasonable explanation as to why he's there, 438 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 10: and then accept help from the officer and not say well, 439 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 10: I'm fine, officer, I can get out of this myself. 440 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 10: But to ask the officer for help then accept the 441 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 10: help is quite surprising in this case. 442 00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: Okay, guys, Right after this happens, a nine one all 443 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: comes in from a local Arby's. 444 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: Listen he can help you. Hello, I'm working at arby 445 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: here in North Havens. 446 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 14: We found a gun and probably like. 447 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: Ten bucks is a. 448 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 4: Bullet. 449 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 13: At eleven am, as Sergeant Mills is finishing his shift, 450 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 13: a call comes into police from an employee at Arby's. 451 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 13: The employee reports finding a bag with a gun and 452 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 13: bullets inside. Sergeant Mills stops by to check out the 453 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 13: call and seize the gun and bullets, but also in 454 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 13: the bag a yellow jacket, black briefcase, and a blue 455 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 13: bag where the massachuoset's logo. 456 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, Dave Matt connect the dots for me. 457 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: So you've got pan stuck on the railroad tracks after 458 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: zipping around Metal Sheet Metal Company, and then a call 459 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: comes in from Arby's where they find a gun in 460 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: bullets just sitting outside. But what is the yellow jacket, 461 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 2: black brief case and blue bag with a Massachusetts logo. 462 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 7: On it have to do with anything everything? Nancy, Those 463 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 7: items were actually seen in the dark colored suv con 464 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 7: has stuck on the railroad tracks, and it is witnessed 465 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 7: by Sergeant Mills of the North Haven Police Department when 466 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 7: he's there trying to help him get it off the track. 467 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 7: But you see the number of things inside the car 468 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 7: makes middle note. And then when the nine one one 469 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 7: call comes in from the Arby's, they only talk about 470 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 7: a gun and ammunition. It only after Sergeant Mills goes 471 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 7: to the Arby's to seem, you know, exactly for himself 472 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 7: what they're seeing. He goes, wait a minute, that yellow jacket, 473 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 7: that blue bag, that black briefcase, those were all in 474 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 7: the dark suv that I saw last night. So he's 475 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 7: the guy who ties this entire case together, Nancy, one 476 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 7: top witnessing a lot of evidence and tying it all together. 477 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: Mills, is he a detective as sergeant? What is he? 478 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 7: He's a sergeant. He's a working officer and he had 479 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 7: been on patrol tonight before when the vehicle was stuck 480 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 7: on the tracks. And to be honest, Nancy, the guy's 481 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 7: on his way home, his shift is over, but when 482 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 7: the call comes in from the Arby's, it's like, on 483 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 7: my way, I'll check it out. They're apparently very short staff. 484 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 7: But anyway, he was on his way done for the 485 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 7: day when he stopped by the Arby's and that changed everything. 486 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing. 487 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder Peter ellikin veteran defense attorney in 488 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 2: this jurisdiction, Peter, I know you would never say this 489 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: in court because it's your job to attack police, but 490 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: I know secretly you think otherwise. Why is it, Peter, 491 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: that we always hear, oh, the cops did this, the 492 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: cops did that. They're horrible, they're demons, blah blah. Defund police. 493 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: If this cop as Dave Mack pointed out, who's off work, 494 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 2: he's leaving. 495 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: He goes, what a yellow jacket a bag with a 496 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: Massachusetts logo on it? 497 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: I just saw that and this idiot's car stuck on 498 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: the railroad tracks. If he had not put that together, 499 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: we'd be up the creek without a battle right now. 500 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know a lot of people misunderstand we criminal 501 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 8: defense attorneys do not hate the police. 502 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: I mean, he's not about. 503 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: You, Peter. 504 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: I'm not asking you about how misunderstood you are. I'm 505 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: talking about Mills. Focus on him, not on you. 506 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 8: He did an extraordinary job here. It was basic police 507 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 8: work and be able to put two and two together, 508 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 8: and it was fortuitous. And he was the one police 509 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 8: officer there. It's North Haven, which is a different town. 510 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 8: It's next to New Haven, but it's home town. But 511 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 8: it could have been almost anybody going there and not 512 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 8: having seen that car and that was stuck on the 513 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 8: tracks the night before, and so that was an incredible 514 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 8: bit of luck. 515 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: And this police. 516 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: Officer, look shot luck. 517 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: It's police work, it's watching he's a professional observer, and 518 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: he remembers what a yellow jacket, a bag with a 519 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: Massachusetts logo on it, yes, and he puts that together. 520 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Peter, are you sitting down right now? 521 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 4: Yes? 522 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: I am okay, Well we may need to lay down 523 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: listen to this. 524 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 13: The suv King Swan Pond stuck on the railroad tracks 525 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 13: was still its tow facility and police find out it's 526 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 13: been reported stolen from a car dealership in Malden, where 527 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 13: PWN lives. The dealership employee tells police that Pawn had 528 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 13: asked to borrow the car for a test drive and 529 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 13: never returned with the vehicle. 530 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: So the suv is stolen. 531 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 5: When you have a police departments homicide unit is looking 532 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 5: for mister King Swan Pan Dat birth of four sixteen 533 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one. His name is spelled Qi n x 534 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: u An. 535 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: Last name Pam again. 536 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 5: Data birth for sixteen nineteen ninety one. Mister Pong was 537 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 5: the last seen at the Western Hotel to a one 538 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 5: Washington Avenue in North Haven. His last known address is 539 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 5: one thirty one correction one ninety three Clifton Street in Malden, Massachusetts. 540 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 5: We know that mister Pong is a graduate of MIT 541 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 5: and has an affiliation with that university. I am asking 542 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 5: that the public knows that mister Pong should be considered 543 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 5: armed and dangerous and that he that extreme caution should 544 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 5: be used if you come in contact with this individual. 545 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: Pond is an m I graduate. 546 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: You are just hearing him in Police Department Homicide Unit 547 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: putting the APB al points bulletin on Pond. And that's 548 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: from our friends at Fox sixty one. How can somebody 549 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: be so brilliant? 550 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: This guy is an AI artificial intelligence. 551 00:31:53,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: Guru deep deep in AI research? Did he what he 552 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: thought was the perfect murder? And did he use AI 553 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: to plan the murder? Will one tiny mistake be his undoing? 554 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: So still, what possible motive would there be from a 555 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: brilliant MIT artificial intelligence. 556 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: Guru to track down and gun down described in Sunshine 557 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: Yale Grad? 558 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Could it be a secret obsession in. 559 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 13: An effort to try and find out more about King Shuangpong? 560 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 13: Investigators go online to find any connection The MIT grad 561 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 13: student with an expertise in AI could have to Kevin Chang. 562 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 13: Finding no connection between Pon and Xiang, detectives find Jiang's fiance, 563 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 13: Zion Perry, is a Facebook friend of Pon's. They meted 564 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 13: a Christian group when Perry attended MIT as an undergrad. 565 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 13: Nothing more than an acquaintance. When he graduated from MIT, 566 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 13: Pawn reached out and asked to video chat. Perry politely refused, 567 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 13: and there has been no other contact. 568 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand this crime stores with Nancy Grace. 569 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: Dave mac Zion is questioned, and she never had a 570 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: romantic relationship at all with Pan. So as police are digging, digging, digging, 571 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: what exactly do they find? 572 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 7: They find that, yes, Zion Perry was an acquaintance upon 573 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 7: they met when she was an undergrad at MIT, but 574 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 7: it was nothing more than a casual acquaintance where she 575 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 7: invited him to a Christian get together on campus at MIT, 576 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 7: but she was not involved with him. She doesn't even 577 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 7: call her him a friend. Their friendship was on Facebook. 578 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 7: They were Facebook friend meaning he would see her post, 579 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 7: but she had no interest in him romantically speaking. As 580 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 7: a matter of fact, when she graduated, Pawn reached out 581 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 7: and asked if he could do a video check call 582 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 7: with her to congratulate her, and she politely refused. That 583 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 7: was their relationship. That was all there was. 584 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: Peter Ellikin, you have dealt with stalking cases and sex 585 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 2: obsession cases. 586 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: There was no such thing here. There was never sex. 587 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: There was never a relationious sex relationship, not even a 588 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: dating relationship. 589 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: Nothing. 590 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: But we can't ignore Peter that they Zion and Kevin 591 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: announced their engagement and post the video we keep seeing, let's. 592 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: See that again. 593 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 2: We know that was posted. Then a few days later, 594 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: Kevin is gone down dead. How can this video be 595 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 2: the catalyst for a murder? 596 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: Or can it? 597 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 8: One thing we've learned is that if if this guy 598 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 8: is a brilliant PhD candidate at MIT of all places, 599 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 8: and we've we've learned that the crimes kind of all 600 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 8: spectrums of society. 601 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 4: It's not just poor people. 602 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 8: We've seen doctors who commit murdered, lawyers who commit murders, 603 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 8: college professors. And this may be another case where he 604 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 8: may be a brilliant in one area and yet somehow 605 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 8: there's some sort of emotional. 606 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 4: Pay here. 607 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: Yes, they didn't even have sex, they didn't even kiss nothing, 608 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: they didn't even hold hands. 609 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: She invited him to some Christian get together. That's it, 610 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: that's it. 611 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: How can you get a sex obsession or an obsession 612 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 2: from that? 613 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 8: It is rational, there's no connection, there's nothing leading on. 614 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 8: There's really nothing to see there which would if I 615 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 8: was his defense lawyer. 616 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 4: One of the first things I'd look. 617 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 8: Into, which would not necessarily go anywhere, I'd look into 618 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 8: his competency to see what kind of mental health he's 619 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 8: in place. 620 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: You're desperate, may be nothing there, grasping straws. That's true, 621 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: very bad as a defense. 622 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: Attorney when you have to come up with something like that. 623 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 8: That would be because I couldn't figure out anything else. 624 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 8: It would be so irrational and crazy that I'd tell 625 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 8: I got to look into that, even if it leads 626 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 8: me nowhere. 627 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 4: But that is grasping at straws. 628 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 13: Skeptical of the story Queen John Pond's parents tell them, 629 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 13: Investigators believe the parents are the key to finding their son. 630 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 13: The Pawn family has millions of dollars in assets in Shanghai, 631 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 13: and financial records show Pon's parents have been making large 632 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 13: cash withdrawals. Investigators are concerned that Pond's parents are going 633 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 13: to try to get the cash to their son so 634 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 13: he has the means to flee the country. 635 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 2: So Dave mac now the parents are under surveillance, and 636 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 2: the mom is caught on hotel lobby surveillance borrowing the 637 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 2: phone of an employee using the employee's cell phone and 638 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 2: then immediately deleting the number. 639 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: That's not suspicious. Okay, what happened. 640 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 7: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. They're following and watching a 641 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 7: thing is she did it in the middle of the 642 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 7: night or the early morning hours when she kind of 643 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 7: splinked her way down to the hotel clerk, he at 644 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 7: the front desk, and she uses his phone, makes the 645 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 7: call and thinks when she deletes it, she's fine. But 646 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 7: US Marshalls, now they're better than that, and they're able 647 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 7: to trace that phone call. They won't tell it us how, 648 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 7: They won't say what they did. They just said, yeah, 649 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 7: they got that deleted phone call, and it traces right 650 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 7: back to Montgomery, Alabama. 651 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: Of all places. 652 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 2: Erv Brandt, you have spent your career chasing down criminals 653 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 2: all over the world like a legally sanctioned bounty hunter. 654 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 2: So what did US Marshalls go through trying to find 655 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: pan Nancy. 656 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 10: The fugitive when he's on the run has to have 657 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 10: a support network, and the sport network is normally made 658 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 10: up of people that the fugitive trust the most, and 659 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 10: in most cases that's going to be family. So the 660 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 10: Marshall Service focused on the family, and that's exactly what happened. 661 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 10: By surveillance. They watched and watched and watched, and finally 662 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 10: caught a break in the case that led them to 663 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 10: where the fugitive was hiding in Montgomery, Alabama. 664 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: So all the way to Montgomery, Alabama is very reminiscent 665 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 2: of Scott Peterson, who was found with thousands of dollars 666 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 2: of cash. He had changed his appearance, dyeing his hair 667 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 2: and growing the goateee. He had his brothers fake ID. 668 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: He had his brother's ID and he was using it 669 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 2: as a fake. He had tons of viagra, camping equipment 670 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 2: and water filtration system. And when Pan is found in Montgomery, 671 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 2: Alabama in a boarding house, he has twenty thousand dollars 672 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 2: worth cash, multiple communication devices, seven SIM cards. 673 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: And more. 674 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: This guy on the run, including a fake passport cheap 675 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 2: ready to get that. That said, the one thing that 676 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 2: an AI guru artificial intelligence couldn't foresee is his mother. 677 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: The involvement of his. 678 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 2: Mother, because Peter Ellicott, every time anybody goes missing, we 679 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 2: have a bond for for tour or there's a future 680 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 2: on the run. 681 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: Where's the first place you look, Peter? 682 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 4: They usually it's so silly. 683 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 8: But they usually head for home is the first place, 684 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 8: or with close friends. But they usually go to some 685 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 8: place really familiator and like the people. 686 00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: From every time. 687 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: I would have a bond forfeiture, a whole calendar, not 688 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 2: a plan arrayment, not a trial calendar, a bond forfeiture calendar. 689 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 2: I turn around and say, go look under mommy's bed 690 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 2: right now, I'm striking a jury. Sure enough, they go 691 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 2: look under mommy's bed or in the closet, and there 692 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:24,479 Speaker 2: would be the purp hiding out at mommy's Even AI can't. 693 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: Fathom what mommy is going to do. And here Mommy 694 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: called Pan. 695 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 2: I want you to speaking of mothers, I want you 696 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 2: to hear the victim's mother, Linda lou. 697 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: Ta give me a lot of joy. 698 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 12: He's they so the full warmer boy picking of me, 699 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 12: and I missed him. 700 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: That's my friends. 701 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 2: At forty eight hours after Kevin's mother spoke, the judge 702 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 2: brings down the ham Listen. 703 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to address Pan specifically. 704 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 7: Although your sentence is far less than you deserve, there 705 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 7: is also mercy. 706 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 9: May God have mercy on you, and may He have 707 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 9: mercy on all of us. 708 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 2: Seems like everybody in the core room, is all about mercy. 709 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 2: Pan of course can seek mercy and seek redemption, but 710 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 2: it's my theory he is better set to do that 711 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 2: in the penitentiary. We wait as justice un false, and 712 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 2: fully expect Pan to contest his plea. Nancy Gray signing off, 713 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 2: goodbye friend.