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Speaker 1: R and B Money. We are.

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Speaker 2: Thank take melchized.

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Speaker 3: We are the authority on all things R.

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Speaker 4: And B.

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Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: My name is Tank and this is the R V

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Speaker 3: Money Podcast. The mother fucking authority things.

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Speaker 6: Already here today. He is here to day saying what

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Speaker 6: they gotta do.

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Speaker 7: Go put on that.

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Speaker 5: What you read?

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Speaker 1: You don't you no red, you better go, get you on,

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Speaker 1: get you want to go, get you.

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Speaker 2: Get you get real the right way.

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Speaker 5: Make some doctors with Julie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got, I got Kennedy. Think for that. He

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Speaker 1: gave me my name. You know, every artist got to

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Speaker 1: have that one record that's just their signature, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: can he.

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Speaker 7: Gave me my name?

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad he took that record back from the

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Speaker 1: Whispers because remember yeah, he had given that record to

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Speaker 1: the Whispers, and he said hold on. He was like, yeo,

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Speaker 1: I think this might be better for Johnny. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: how we ended up with. Matter of fact, the Whispers

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Speaker 1: even recorded it and they said, I guess over what

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Speaker 1: happened between them? I don't know for some money stuff,

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Speaker 1: but I was like, whatever happened, thank you'.

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Speaker 5: All, because because was Gerl was er to be over

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Speaker 5: your project.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Jerold was the project.

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Speaker 5: Allah.

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Speaker 2: I made sure that record was bought.

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Speaker 1: I thank you so many.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't for you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what my name would be, but it

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be my mama, Johnny. First of all, you're you know,

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Speaker 3: you're a legendary, brother. You are absolutely legendary. We are

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Speaker 3: honored and blessed to have you here. I want to

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Speaker 3: I want to say this and then and then then

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Speaker 3: we'll get into it.

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Speaker 2: I just want to.

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Speaker 3: I want to give you love, and I want to

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Speaker 3: salute you for how you handle yourself on tour and

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Speaker 3: what you had to endure and what you had to

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Speaker 3: go through and to power through that and to get

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Speaker 3: on that stage and and be a living testimony and

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Speaker 3: to testify the way you did. Brother, like unreal brother.

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Speaker 3: And you know we still we still sit in your

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Speaker 3: loving prayers.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So it's still a challenge every day. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: think you know you. I think we all know as kids,

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Speaker 7: And that's what I did.

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Speaker 1: I rode it all the way up to her last breath.

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Speaker 1: But it was just tough, man. And I tell you,

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Speaker 1: He didn't have to do it because their kids that

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Speaker 1: And so that sacrifice that I had to make that time,

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Speaker 1: my god, I tell you, I've been through some rough

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Speaker 7: I'm making that decision to have to go.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand out in front of these people and

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Speaker 2: Well, we felt your brother, Yeah, I promise you that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was inspiring.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was inspiring. That's why.

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, I'd rather believe that there's a god and

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Speaker 7: Leave about it here and realize, oh he was for real.

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Speaker 1: She was planning telling the Gold oh man, rolling man

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I ain't gotta mention.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I my man. Now it's just a double

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Speaker 1: man because we're supposed to have forty ECUs in the.

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Speaker 2: Mut we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: It happened.

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Speaker 2: So let's do this.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to four boys, four boys being raised.

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Speaker 2: DC D C D this original trafolate.

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Speaker 3: Humble beginnings man, and and discovering that you are different.

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Speaker 1: Man. Let me tell you it's crazy. We we grew

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Speaker 1: when they go to school, they never understood how I

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Speaker 7: I was intrigued. And that's what the word was intriguing.

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Speaker 1: So so my dad made us form the group. You know,

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Speaker 1: they used to beat my eyes. It was like, no,

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Speaker 1: you get so I ended up doing being the lead

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Speaker 2: You like me?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: You want to do what? You know? What I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Background ain't no bongos on this. So are you guys

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Speaker 1: We're singing gospel? Yeah, all over the Metropolitan Area, the

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Speaker 7: Stevie used to sit. STEVEE would come over my house.

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Speaker 3: That's the greatest of all times.

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Speaker 2: Like this he's.

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Speaker 3: He's just he is just the epitome of music. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: That he is.

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Speaker 7: Got the biggest heart.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you, this guy has been a true

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Speaker 2: Okay, so little little Sedge, little John, y'all get in

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Speaker 7: A lot from them.

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Speaker 7: He would just be man.

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Speaker 7: We have never made a record.

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Speaker 7: Know where all of the kids were gathered. We would

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Speaker 2: Just crazy? I'm like, wait, suited up with my bible.

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Speaker 1: Well, my brothers gave me. They gave me the nickname

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Speaker 7: Only me and my brother My brothers and my godbrothers.

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Speaker 1: and it was from Stacey. She said, he my my

446
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: mom and was talking to Henry All and the president

447
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: of the label record label about you, and he wants.

448
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 7: To wants to hear your voice. We were coming.

449
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: We had just gotten back to to UH. We went

450
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: to drove back to d C to pick up some

451
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: more of our things. I made a demo tape with

452
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: a twenty nine dollars tape recorder. You remember the press

453
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I didn't know nothing about no production and

454
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: none of that stuff. I'd never even recorded, so I

455
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you how you know you're supposed to playing.

456
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: I was singing with just raw on with the thing

457
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 1: and UH on the tape recorder, and he called and UH.

458
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: He asked me to sing for him and a couple

459
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: of other people over the phone, and I did, and

460
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: I ended up singing for a couple of more people

461
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: and then a couple more people. He was like, he

462
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: had the whole staff going, yeah, yeah, listen to this,

463
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: listen this come on sing sing and singing again, and

464
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: I was singing. I sung a Shining Star from the

465
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: Manhattan and he said, yeah, we're gonna bring you out

466
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: to New York.

467
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 7: You know who we get with the d C.

468
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: And we never went back to Columbus, Georgia. I went

469
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: up to New York. They flew me up to New York.

470
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: I kid by myself, really, my mom didn't want to.

471
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: I was fourteen because I started recording at fifteen and

472
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: the first record came out at sixteen. But I didn't know,

473
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: and I'd never been on an airplane and all that stuff,

474
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: so it was all new. And my mom, man, she

475
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: was not feeling it, but she understood. It was like,

476
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity. And you know, I didn't realize

477
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: until about ten years ago, maybe about eight years ago.

478
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: My brother was telling me. He said, you know, I

479
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: used to hear Mom in the bathroom praying and crying

480
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: at the same time. And I was like what. She

481
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, she just it tore her up, even

482
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: when you moved and went to LA and she was

483
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: just asking God to protect her. And he said Mom

484
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: would be in there like two three o'clock in the morning.

485
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: I would hear praying and crying.

486
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, Wow, it's real. Yeah, she

487
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: lets you, she lets you go live your dream as

488
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: a baby.

489
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

490
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

491
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: But they assured her. The guy that you guys might

492
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: have heard of, and I'm not sure, but he was

493
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: the man running New York Bill Underwood.

494
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely I know that is yeh yeah.

495
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: And he was like, my you know, it's like my father.

496
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: He's like a brother father everything. But he you know, yeah,

497
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: he looked out and took care of me. But I

498
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: tell you it was a trip, man, because I realized

499
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: that that was a blessing because I got to learn

500
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: the business and understand it early, early, early on. Yeah,

501
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: and some of the mistakes some of the other guys made,

502
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: I didn't make. I've been in the business forty years.

503
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of things. A lot of things

504
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: have happened to me, just like anybody else in the business.

505
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: But I've never I don't have one story where I

506
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: can tell you I went to work and somebody can

507
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: tell you. You know, I've heard a million stories about

508
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: going to work and going to stage. Man, I would

509
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: and perform, and then I wouldn't give him my money.

510
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 5: Man, I we had to pull a gun on it.

511
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 7: I heard a billion stories.

512
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: If somebody getting yanked for their money at some point,

513
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: never happened. Bill taught me from day one that I'm

514
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: not the risk taker. The promoters risk are the risk takers,

515
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: and if they can't provide half up front, then don't go.

516
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: We're not going. Don't go.

517
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: And that started early, early, early, early, early on in

518
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: my career, and I've seen some things that made some

519
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: mistakes in make doing business deals, but not getting paid

520
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: for going to work has never been one. Never been one.

521
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: And thanks to him, he did thirty three years and

522
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: he's back out and that's.

523
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty three.

524
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 7: He was, Yeah, you know you gonna go into it.

525
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta go into it.

526
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me tell you what happened when I

527
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: got the first check though, Yeah, here we go, here

528
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: we go, here we go. Main man, trying to tell

529
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: y'all can tell me nothing.

530
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: How much was the chip?

531
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 7: I member about two thousand dollars?

532
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: I think it was. I bought me like I bought

533
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: me a gold watch, a nugget watch, a nugget ring,

534
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: and a nugget bracelet.

535
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: Who you talking like, nigga?

536
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 5: No, yeah, here's the kicker.

537
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: Here's the kicker.

538
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: On top of it.

539
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: I went to the dealership and they gave me my

540
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: cressitor and said, no, no, you can pay it. You

541
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: start making payments. Later, I signed off the paper they

542
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: did the deal went with me outside.

543
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 7: Of He was like, look at this kid. I was like,

544
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 7: hey man, I mean shoot, like, so.

545
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 9: You got a new whip, a nugget man, nugget kid,

546
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 9: nugging kid with two thousands thousand.

547
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: I was making making I said, make it enough.

548
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: I kept saying, I can get used to this. Sure.

549
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 8: Yeah.

550
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm like, man, y'all can tell me nothing,

551
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like.

552
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: What we're doing next? And you have a Jerry curl?

553
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was leaking. It was oh man, it

554
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: was leaking. But I was trying to be Michael. I

555
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: was like, man, so that's what you like and huh yeah,

556
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: trying to keep my curl down. Mike's minds would be

557
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: but I was like, that's what y'all like, and y'all

558
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: digging hunh man. I had my curl, and man, but

559
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: I tell you the first night I got my the

560
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: night that I was going, the day before I was

561
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: going to get the curl. I was so excited because

562
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, the girl's like curly heads, you know, yeah.

563
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 11: Curl So you know I had a conversation with me

564
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 11: yeah yeah, yeah yeah, because you don't understand they came

565
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 11: out the woe.

566
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting the night before, I'm so excited.

567
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: Man.

568
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: I was so excited, thinking, Mom, I'm gonna have cruelty yeah,

569
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: you can't tell me. Then do the rollers put the

570
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: roller joints in, and then they got you got to

571
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: set under the joint. I mean it was about a

572
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: four or five hour process to old me. Oh my god,

573
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Rember when I came out there with curls and it

574
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: was like, oh, don't talk to me, man, don't talk

575
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: to me. Shoot man, I was like I was on

576
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: cloud night.

577
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: I'm like.

578
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 5: I was tempting.

579
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: Approach him.

580
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 5: I have to look out and tell him.

581
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, y'all see the New Edition movie.

582
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: They did show that. They did not show this Johnny approach.

583
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: Myproach is like, hey, baby, I'm a mode.

584
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 5: Tell her what she got on you.

585
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 7: Man, man, listen, I have some fun times.

586
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: How do you How do you handle whoever came to you?

587
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 9: You could tell us wholly coming to you and saying, hey,

588
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 9: I know you a solo artist. I know you're doing

589
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 9: your thing. We're trying to figure this thing out. You

590
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 9: as as you know your solo thing, you got this

591
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 9: grown man voice. I'm about to put you in this group.

592
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: Michael Bibbs, my little brother. Let me tell you that guy.

593
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: I can't even put into words, how sharp Michael has

594
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: always been. And the craziest thing is, out of our

595
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: whole group, Michael was was the one that came up

596
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: with the idea because originally Ralph was gonna leave, and

597
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: so Mike's first thought was ship, how are we gonna eat?

598
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: And so his thought was not his idea wasn't it

599
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: was gonna be all of us. They were just thinking, Okay,

600
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: if Ralph gonna go off, because Ralph was working on

601
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: this solo thing and he's gonna probably he's probably not

602
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna come back, especially he's the lead singer, he's the

603
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: most popular, he's gonna probably be successful. He probably he's

604
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: not gonna probably.

605
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: Come and they've already watched Bobby right.

606
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, shoot, so what we're gonna do.

607
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: Mike was a huge fan too, and that half Crazy

608
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: was the song that caught his attention. And so when

609
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: we was at the Whispers concert in La that's when

610
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: we ran into each other.

611
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 9: But before record, before you stole the Whispers record, I

612
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 9: mean they was allowing you in the concerts before you

613
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 9: stole the record.

614
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: They don't see you on the street.

615
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 7: Who knew the.

616
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: Twins will jump in and did that?

617
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: I said, no way, man, oh, manize man ship, but

618
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: yeah he did. We met at the wissessconcert. That's crazy

619
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: because I think about that, and he said, he let

620
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. He said, did you do

621
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: you feel like you've gotten your just do as a

622
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: solo artist? And I'll never forget just being stupid and funny.

623
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: I reached my hand in my pocket and I pulled out.

624
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 7: N I was like nope.

625
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: He said, hey, yo, man, what you doing tomorrow? Said?

626
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 7: Nothing? What's going on?

627
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: He says, Yo, I want to see if you down

628
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: to meet up for lunch. And I was like okay,

629
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: But it's never dawn on me that it's like he's

630
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: calling me to talk about some business stuff. I'm just

631
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: thinking because we cross path from you know, doing concerts

632
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: and stuff here and there, and I would go and

633
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: say to hi and hang out with him, and so

634
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: it never mean that that's what he was just trying

635
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: to do. And so we met up, had lunch with

636
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: a couple of guys. Then they wanted to come they

637
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: wanted to meet up again, and I'm sitting there going

638
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: they want to meet up for again? And so that

639
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: second time we met up, they was talking about they

640
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: want to.

641
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 7: Go back to.

642
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: A five member group at some point, because the choreography

643
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: was the thing they gave me was the choreography is

644
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: a lot more impacted.

645
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 7: It's more effective with five.

646
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking okay, And but I kept thinking, I

647
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: know he's not getting really asking me about joining this group.

648
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I got two left feet. What am

649
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: I gonna do at this point?

650
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: You have not danced, not dance as an artist.

651
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 7: Nothing about dancing. I'm like, shoot, I'm a coroner. I'm

652
00:34:50,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 7: a kroner, another teacher. Well have you seen them?

653
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so now they so.

654
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you know, we uh, we went over.

655
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: They talked to me about the whole thing, about this

656
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: idea that they had about me coming and being a

657
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: part of the group. And then I sat there and

658
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: I was like wow. And then we went from the

659
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: hotel to m c A over to Joe Busby's office.

660
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: They had this all planned out. Oh yeah, they had

661
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: it laid out.

662
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: And we walked into Gerald's office and Gerald says, uh,

663
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: new addition, and Johnny gill.

664
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: And was was was Ralph with you with us?

665
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: And and h and Mike said, nah, it's a new addition.

666
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: And Gerrold looking at his like, says ah, and Mike's

667
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: was Mike, That's what Mike said me and I knew

668
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: his member And Gerrold looked he was like a deer

669
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: hair like. He looked for a minute and he said,

670
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking about that too.

671
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: That was.

672
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking that ya are.

673
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: You still signed to was it Atlantic?

674
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: I was still signed. I was signed to uh m

675
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: c A.

676
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

677
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: And so when Gerl left from m c A over

678
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: to Motown, he called Jimmy tur and said, hey man,

679
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find uh an artist to sign a

680
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: male artist. Uh. You know, I was thinking, you know,

681
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: like how Hugh's gonna listen and Jimmy and Terror was

682
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: like I would hear it. It was he said, yeah,

683
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: one Johnny and once again I was just thinking about that,

684
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: but no, Terry and them said hey man, you got one,

685
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: and that guy's gonna be around for a long time.

686
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, and it said. You know, they agreed

687
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: to do half the album. But that's when Clarence came in.

688
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: They a, we do half the album and and uh

689
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: and and Kenny and La agreed to do that half.

690
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: That was the first time they actually work together.

691
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 9: But this is this is before afternoon, after this after Okay,

692
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 9: so we skipped yeah, okay, okay, it's so much forty years.

693
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm great at the times. I'm great

694
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: at the times.

695
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so we went in there and we did

696
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: that and uh yeah, and then we went, uh started

697
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: making plans to go back because they had started working

698
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: with Jimmy and Terry in Minneapolis, and I didn't know

699
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: at the time they had already was had already Ralph

700
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: had started with them. Ralph hadn't started when I went

701
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: back with them to Minneapolis. They even start their whole

702
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: recording process. Is when we all met up, and I

703
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: remember Ralph going with the is this like he's looking

704
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: around he's still yeah, well he I think he sent

705
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: something that because he's looking around and it's quiet and

706
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's just kind of solemn. And then they said,

707
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: Jimmy Terry says, all right, guys, we're gonna have a meeting.

708
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: Let's have a meeting. They went into came into it.

709
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: We went into their their room in their little thing

710
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: where they uh the office, and man, we sat at

711
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: that table and all hell broke loose, All hell broke loose,

712
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: and that's when I found out that he wasn't He

713
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: didn't even know, nor was he down with it with

714
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: adding another member. He's like, fuck that, I hone and

715
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: share my money and split starts, split my money again,

716
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: but with five of us. So it was all the

717
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: stuff that was going. I mean, they was getting there, screaming, yelling,

718
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there looking. I'm looking.

719
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 7: I'm looking like what did I just walk into?

720
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: And did you know Ralph at this time? I know

721
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: him from past? Yeah?

722
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm just sitting there thinking, I'm like,

723
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: what the hell I just walk into? So it was

724
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: all like, man was it was crazy. So I remember

725
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: Terry looked at me and he said, you know, oh

726
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: he did. Jimmy one mom said you know, well, you

727
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: know you're not going to be uh you know, Ralph

728
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: is the lead singer and you're not going to be

729
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: doing any leads on the album. And I looked at him,

730
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: I said okay, I said whatever. You know, I'm here

731
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: for whatever you guys need me to do. And never

732
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: bothered me. I never thought twice about I'm coming in

733
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: and I need to be the lead singer.

734
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 7: I need to be I don't know. I envy people

735
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 7: because sometimes you do need.

736
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: To have that.

737
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: Assertive attitude insert yourself into it.

738
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 9: And maybe you don't though, because because when you got

739
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 9: the good you miss out on an opportunity.

740
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: To join a super group.

741
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 9: Well yeah, because if anyone, if anyone else that walks

742
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 9: into that, yeah, they're like, what you mean, I'm a

743
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 9: solo I got a solo deal, I got my record.

744
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: This you you walked in and made yourself just useful

745
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: whatever you guys need.

746
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: And that's what Saidry said when they saw that reaction.

747
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: And I didn't do it by nothing intentional. I'm just

748
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: it was like whatever that is.

749
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: But it also probably disarmed the conflict because again, Ralph

750
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: is singer, edition, Ralph is Ralph, so it's still like,

751
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's still for him. It's a pecking order thing,

752
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: and for you to just be like, I'm here for you,

753
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: certain brother, Yeah, it's your world.

754
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: And my level of security, I think in the back

755
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: of my mind was probably I still even though I

756
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: joined them, I still had to had obligations to to

757
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: uh motown and a total deal that I have to record.

758
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: And they were saying, Gerald is saying, we're gonna have

759
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: to do that.

760
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 7: We'll do that right after the new edition.

761
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: Never and if you ever notice, if you look in

762
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: all those early pictures, you'll see me, I'm always in

763
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: the back, like I never. They used to be fighting

764
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: for the position of who's gonna be in front of,

765
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: trying to be in front of. They used to be

766
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: fighting for parts sometimes for the songs and songs, and

767
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there. I'm like sitting there thinking,

768
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, just whatever it needs to be done,

769
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: And whenever it was time to take pictures, I'd go

770
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: and get in my place in the back.

771
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you felt like it was easy. It was

772
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: easy work for you. Ye used to having to sing

773
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: the whole song yourself.

774
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 10: Yeah.

775
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: I mean the only thing I can't.

776
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: Tell you this to a lot of those songs that

777
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: we were doing, uh, I would do pretty much like

778
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: the ad lib stuff, or do most of the stuff,

779
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: and then they come in and then somebody bringing somebody

780
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: to do follow what I did. So I was like,

781
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: I guess I'm the demo singer to h Yes, But

782
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: I tell you when I did get pissed though, they

783
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: all those great songs like can't You Stand and rain

784
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: some of the other songs, you know, my kind of girls.

785
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: And they was giving us these these these parts to do,

786
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: and I kept listening to some of the songs.

787
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 7: I was like, man, I like that song.

788
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: I won't sing that. I like sing that. I love

789
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: singing that, and I'll never forget. I kept thinking when

790
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: they gave me this song boys to men, I said,

791
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: this is some political bullshit. I said, oh, they just

792
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: give me this piece of ship just to throw me

793
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: a bone. Now at this point, all these great songs

794
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: that I could have just a song one and just

795
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: been you know, that's how I'm thinking about that.

796
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 5: That's how I thought about it.

797
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: And so I said, Okay, so they're just throwing me

798
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: a bone, and they just gonna throw me this song.

799
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: I throw me this track that's out all these other

800
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: great songs, cause I just didn't think it was out

801
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: all the other records that they recorded.

802
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: You know that that wasn't the one.

803
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I said, oh, so you want to fuck

804
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: with me now?

805
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: Huh.

806
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: That's what took when the light went off in my head.

807
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: I said, oh, so your niggas are trying to fuck

808
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: with me. Huh, gonna give me this week ass ship,

809
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I walked in that booth, I said,

810
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: made up my mind. So my fuck this sung up.

811
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: I remember, I.

812
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: Remember singing the first couple of lines and before you

813
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: know it, before I got through the end and I

814
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: started with the ad libs. It was like, I don't

815
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: know if you guys ever seen Scooby Doo and they'd

816
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: be having the one stand over another one that the

817
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: other name.

818
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 7: They all looking, they was all sold.

819
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: The whole room was filled with everybody in there, and uh,

820
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: by the time I finished the song, it's real quiet,

821
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: and they're like and I just kept thinking, listen, I've

822
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: been doing my part. I've been in here doing whatever

823
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: you guys need me to do. Don't come in here

824
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: fucking with me with just bullshit. And I was like,

825
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: if that's the case, I'm gonna just show you something.

826
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what you put in front

827
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: of me. I said, I'm gonna fuck this song up.

828
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 7: That was just my attitude.

829
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: Well, let me say something. You sang that mother and

830
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: that is you sang the title cut motherfucker.

831
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: But I was singing it mad, like they can't find

832
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: me something better.

833
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 5: I couldn't find you nothing better. Than the title fucking

834
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 5: cut that land to one of the.

835
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: Come on, man, man, He's like, who knew?

836
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: The more the lessons is always give your best. You

837
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: never know what happened, know man, You just never known.

838
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: When you get a new addition, is the addict? Okay? Now,

839
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: because you got to get a new audition?

840
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: Check?

841
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Is that heavier than your solo?

842
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Check? Yeah?

843
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 5: Because they know that's Motito thousand.

844
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 7: Big time.

845
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: And it was funny because during that time we was

846
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: getting ready for the Heartback Tour and they were having

847
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: had had issues prior to with the I R S.

848
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: So it was like a little bit unbounced because I

849
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: was the only one came and cleaned. So yeah, you know,

850
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: I came in and you.

851
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: Know, sure, I'm good. Y'all all right, everybody, okay.

852
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: Y'all doing?

853
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 10: Yeah?

854
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that? Uh the Z twenty eight, Well,

855
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: what that joint is?

856
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: Y'all?

857
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 7: Get a loaded this one and that five hundred.

858
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: Five five hundred s L I want that to call?

859
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, I thought. I was like, man, you couldn't

860
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: tell me nothing.

861
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 9: I was like, I dodn't made it, baby, you had Yeah,

862
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 9: So when you came in the group, if I'm not

863
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 9: asking too much?

864
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: Are you a solid fifth? You're getting a fifth of

865
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 2: everything when.

866
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: You first come Yeah, yeah, from the from the jump,

867
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: from the jump, everything that I started on with, working

868
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: from the day that started working with the Masolute, that's yeah. Yeah, yeah.

869
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 8: It was never about it's all split fairly, all split fairly.

870
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 8: That's how it was such because everybody's contributing. And it's

871
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 8: the point if you're a team, if you're a group,

872
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 8: that's what a group does.

873
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 7: There's really no I it's it's when you're dealing with

874
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 7: a team.

875
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: So I love them, man, and so grateful.

876
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 9: We love y'all, We love y'all. The world definitely the

877
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 9: world of R and B man. Yeah, yeah, they talk

878
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 9: about that authority thing.

879
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got for a ship, she got for us.

880
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: M h.

881
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: M hmm. It's trying to kill. We know you've heard

882
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: a lot of R and B music, you're saying a

883
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: lot of rnby music, But something has to be your favorite.

884
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 10: Top fun, your top five mm hmm, Top fun, your top.

885
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 5: Five on Mething.

886
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 12: Hor May song come on the ground. Yeah you got

887
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 12: to know, you got so I know you know, and you.

888
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: Go and do nothing than that.

889
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 5: Top don't round?

890
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, your time.

891
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 10: Five.

892
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, we'll clearly now you want.

893
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 5: You don't work your way up.

894
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: Mister Johnny Gill, mister Mama Ma himself, your top five

895
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: R and B singers.

896
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: Stevie one, but there that's just my god. Uh Luther two, yeah,

897
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: Uh Teddy three. Yeah. People are gonna hate me for

898
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: this one, but I got it. I gotta give Kills

899
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: his problem. You gotta give the R and B.

900
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, R and B.

901
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that because it's in here.

902
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: But you don't work your way up in there that boy.

903
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: Come on, come on that there book.

904
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: You don't walk the way up in there, now, come

905
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: on now. And I left it on another little one.

906
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: You wrote this song called My Cry.

907
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: Remember that.

908
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I was going through it with uh me and Ira

909
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: at that time, and we was going at it button

910
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: heads and going toe to toe. They had nothing to

911
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: do with the song, but me and her was going

912
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: at it, of course, and we ended.

913
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 7: Up coming full circle. There come bunt up homies.

914
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Well you know, how were you with labels and be

915
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: Bunton having creative differences and button hid We was having

916
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: some other but and I remember we kept sitting there

917
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: going shooting. I kept going, what are we gonna do? Can,

918
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: how are we gonna do this? And she was like,

919
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this?

920
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 5: So I was like, how you.

921
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 7: Gonna make me do what?

922
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 10: So?

923
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: What's going at it?

924
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 7: But I was I'll never forget that song. And I

925
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 7: still have that one joint, that joint in my uh

926
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 7: in my playlist nowhere.

927
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, this guy man right, brother, this special man.

928
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: And that's why I said that. Being from DC, listen,

929
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: it just adds to it. But your gift and talented

930
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: this what it is. And dude, listen, I don't still

931
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: over here and act like we're forgetting about you.

932
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: You're trying to sneak out.

933
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: You're trying to sneak out before then, I don't want

934
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: to have to blow up the spot to tell everybody.

935
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: You know, I've been knowing that little like this. Come on,

936
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: come on, now, come on, they tangled.

937
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: What you made I know is I shouted this man

938
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: out on soul Train. Wow.

939
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 9: When they asked me and Bob and my brother Ronnie,

940
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 9: who our favorite singers work the same same type of thing,

941
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 9: and like, who you know inspired us?

942
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 2: I'm ten years old, I'm like Johnny Kill. Yes, yes, yes, man,

943
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: one of my favorites.

944
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because one day I was watching

945
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Osbourne and he was doing, uh, this television show

946
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: and that was in eighty three, my first single come out,

947
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: and I remember, uh, I forgot the guy's name that

948
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: Shirley was doing, and they asked him who was like

949
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: one of the upcoming, up and coming artists, and I

950
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: remember Jeffrey said, there's this kid named Johnny Gil. You

951
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: got to understand what it felt like not knowing Jeffrey Osbourne.

952
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: Fan of it is sitting at home and you're watching

953
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: the nerve ripping show and he shout you out and

954
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: he shout me out, and I was in shock, and

955
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there and I'm like, Wow, it's Jeffrey Osborne.

956
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: And then shortly after what we met and then Brothers.

957
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: Sus Guy, Oh, one of our favorite episodes.

958
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 7: That's my dude for life.

959
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: And I tell you he has been a part of

960
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: my life since I was a kid, sixteen seventeen years

961
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: of age.

962
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 13: Yeah, all right, Johnny, your top five, I gotta put

963
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 13: oh my top Oh my god, Jesus Christ, I'd have

964
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 13: to say as oh my God, that the.

965
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: House is not a home is where I think I

966
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: first realized and I discovered what the feeling of love

967
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: was because I was dating States at the time, and

968
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when that record came on. Oh man,

969
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, my heart started being fast, things started acting

970
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: up and started rising, and I say, this is something.

971
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: Different here, this is it.

972
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 6: This is it.

973
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 2: He said.

974
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 5: When I climb the stairs in turn the key, he.

975
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: Oh, please be there.

976
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 7: Still in love.

977
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: We me and I was like.

978
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the.

979
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: Say it again, no special sauce.

980
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

981
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, okay, that's that's two and Teddy I have

982
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: to go with.

983
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 10: No.

984
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 7: Let's go Jeffrey. You you're just the sweetest beaches and cream.

985
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: That's not obscure.

986
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: I told Jeffrey, and he made me a promise that

987
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: if I ever get married, he's got to do that

988
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: one at the Wind. Got to do that one at

989
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: the Wind.

990
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

991
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. But he had a million of them to it.

992
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: It's like, man, and of course, Donny Hathaway man a

993
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: song for you. I just can't get around. You just

994
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: can't get around. And I remember someone telling me when

995
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: I was a kid that kept going, you know, you

996
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: sound like a little and that said, oh this guy

997
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: name you've heard this guy named Donny Hathaway. I was

998
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: like no, And I remember sitting there listening to a

999
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: song for you. And then I sat there and listened

1000
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: and I'm going, whoa, something hit me where I was

1001
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: just like, man, he who the heck is this guy?

1002
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: But you could hear this the conviction in his in

1003
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: his phrasing, in his just in his the notes. And

1004
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: it was just like I was like, man, and that's

1005
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: how I got turned onto a to Donnie Hathaway.

1006
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: I feel the same way about his daughter too, Oh.

1007
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: Lady, yes, oh my god. But it seemed like over

1008
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: year she just really just she's just a different kind

1009
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: of instrument.

1010
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 7: Yes, the key is an instrument.

1011
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: Instrument, man, she's she's calculated, methodical, yes, diabolicle, yes, foolishness and.

1012
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: You ain't hearing a flat or sharp she's.

1013
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 7: She just like she can do.

1014
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: Her was amazing. Oh my god.

1015
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, she got her dad and.

1016
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: More, yea, yeah, one more, one more.

1017
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: You know, I know it looks like I might be

1018
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: stuck on myself to say this, but go ahead. That

1019
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: can you stand the rain I look at sometime there

1020
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: by I've been looking and listening to that.

1021
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: Don't to listen to yourself.

1022
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 9: Imagine being able to sing king you stand the rain

1023
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 9: every night and it's yours.

1024
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I did. I tell you a

1025
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: little secret about my mind. I did, and I had

1026
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: I was nominated, No, I had won the Male Vocalists

1027
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: of the Year as the Soul Train. And it was

1028
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: this girl I won't say because she's you know, actress popular,

1029
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: you an actresses? Yeah, yeah, I try to keep the industry,

1030
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, keep it. I got to do get around.

1031
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: So so I was like, okay, this girl giving me

1032
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: a real challenge. And so she went with me to

1033
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: the awards and when we got back, I had uh uh,

1034
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: my boy to put the champagne on ice. I've never

1035
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: I never before. My mama had never ever sat and

1036
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: sang to a girl to figure out if I had

1037
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: a better get me in quicker. Never And I remember

1038
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: we got came back from the awards, and I remember

1039
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: going back, sitting down at the piano and I popped,

1040
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: popped the champagne.

1041
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 7: And my mama wasn't released yet.

1042
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: Oh he's giving her the unreleased too, okay.

1043
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: And I was sitting there playing my mind at the piano,

1044
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: and so we went from the piano to the floor,

1045
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: from the floor to the bedroom. And I said, God, damn,

1046
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: what would I been doing all the time? I said,

1047
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: hot money didn't tell what the hellened?

1048
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 9: I forgot that you didn't have Babyface records to see.

1049
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 7: Maybe record.

1050
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: You know what happens?

1051
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: And it went down.

1052
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, okay, I never I never wanted

1053
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: to use my power. If I always thought it was unfair,

1054
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: I like that ain't right. If I just started singing

1055
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: as well, yeah, I thought that too bad? Are we?

1056
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: You're gonna make your vultron you're super R and B artists.

1057
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: We want to know who you're going to get the

1058
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: vocal from. Who you're going to get the performance style,

1059
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: the styling and the heart of the artists. Right, let's

1060
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 3: build your artists. Who are you getting the vocal from?

1061
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: For your super R and B artists?

1062
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: One vocal lose the greatest storyteller that there is when

1063
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: it comes down to painting telling a story.

1064
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 7: They just don't.

1065
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: He didn't even move on stage. I don't know. I

1066
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: don't know if he walked five feet, if he didn't

1067
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: have to.

1068
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: You just sit there and you're just like, yeah, man,

1069
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: he could paint and disrespectful, all the jumping around and

1070
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: shure taking off.

1071
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: I did.

1072
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 7: Luther.

1073
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: Definitely who you're getting the performance style from performance style? Surprisingly,

1074
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: I must say the young, uh, cocky, wild, crazy Bobby Brown.

1075
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: That guy.

1076
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, minuce to society man, Bobby.

1077
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: When Bob was rockman, let me tell you something. You'd

1078
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: been sitting there looking going this is got rubbers in

1079
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:17,959
Speaker 1: his leg? What the hell?

1080
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: And that listen Bob was trying to give y'all work

1081
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: on that heartak.

1082
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, were you thinking about that as you're rehearsing and

1083
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 9: you're about to be this new member, Like.

1084
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm replacing Bobby Brown to.

1085
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 9: A certain degree, even though he had already been out,

1086
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 9: you know, like I never thought because the way they

1087
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 9: brought it to me was like you're gonna be you know,

1088
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 9: we want to go back to the five member group up.

1089
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: So it never really dawn on me until even the

1090
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: blow up with Ralph when we were there in Minneapolis

1091
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: and you realize, I'm like, what the hell I'm just

1092
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: walk into Bobby told me. And it was so funny

1093
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: because when we all got together during the Heartbreak tour

1094
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: after the tour. I went out on my own, and

1095
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: I'll never forget Bob came out with me. Bob used

1096
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: to come to LA when he wasn't living in La.

1097
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: He used to stay with me, and everybody used to

1098
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: talk about me and him, uh beefing and battling with

1099
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: each other, and he'd be in the crib and he

1100
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: would as a matter of fact. But Bob told me himself.

1101
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: He was like I remember him telling me. He was like, man,

1102
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: when you first got in the group, dude, I did

1103
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: not like you.

1104
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 7: I was so jealous.

1105
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: And then he was like, when you open your mouth,

1106
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: I was like, God damn like man. And he was

1107
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: like from that point that was what took him where.

1108
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: He was like that. But he said he told me himself,

1109
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: and it was so funny because I was out on

1110
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: tour and he came out with me for a while.

1111
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: And I remember one day we got on the bus

1112
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: on my bus and he was just like, man, he says,

1113
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: I endo you And I said what why? And I

1114
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: remember him saying, because I don't know, like I know

1115
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: if I'll be able to dance for the rest of

1116
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: my life like this. He's like, but nigga, you'll be

1117
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: able to sing like this for the rest of your life.

1118
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1119
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 7: It never dawned on me.

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01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: I never even thought about, you know, and I'm looking

1121
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: and going think you Bobby.

1122
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. And at the time he got the biggest he's yeah,

1123
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: he was like, you know, biggest records in the world.

1124
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, but yeah, that he was to me,

1125
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 7: you know, besides.

1126
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: M J the performer, just you know, Bobby performance, that

1127
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: young wild and Bobby, who are you going to get the.

1128
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: Styling with the artist with the drip, with the.

1129
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: Drip come on, ever night, come on, the styling is

1130
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to come from. Yeah. I might think

1131
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 1: this is weird, but I'm gonna have to say, Prince,

1132
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: I wish I was the little guy.

1133
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 7: The way he's doing this is the guy Prince just.

1134
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: This stuff because I still to say, like bright cousin,

1135
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: but I don't I'm scared to try anything there's of color.

1136
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 7: And the way he would just rock his with you know,

1137
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 7: you just be like, yo, if I was that little.

1138
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: Man, if I said if I was woman, if I

1139
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: was that little, if I was that little I'll get

1140
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: that little mingam number of money.

1141
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 2: He would have pulled off on you on his motorcycle.

1142
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all were ready for the know

1143
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: you want, don't. I don't think y'all were ready. Y'all

1144
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: had no idea, no.

1145
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: Way, no way. They knew that they had no idea.

1146
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know that this is what okay, the passion

1147
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: of the artist, the heart.

1148
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: Of the artist, the passion would probably be Donnie half Away.

1149
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I've never seen anyone every note you

1150
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: hold on too, because you know, often said when I

1151
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: found out what he went through and how you know

1152
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: the challenges that he had, I.

1153
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 7: Said that if.

1154
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: Someone was to offer me that voice, but I would

1155
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: have to go through that journey that he went through.

1156
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: As much as I love him, I just I just

1157
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: been an average show talking about paper or plastic. I

1158
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: just can when you listen to the passion, the pain,

1159
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: everything in his voice, it's like it just stopped in

1160
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: your track. And every time I hear I don't cay

1161
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: which song is saying you go, man, I wonder where

1162
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: he was at, what was going on in like what

1163
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: was he going through? Like it's like you hear it,

1164
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: and so I would say passion. I don't think it

1165
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: gets no no stronger than no better than that.

1166
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, all right.

1167
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1168
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: We ain't gonna let your body is just yet them.

1169
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because you didn't.

1170
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 5: Say some names.

1171
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,959
Speaker 2: What you got for him? I ain't saying no niggs.

1172
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names.

1173
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no niggas. What you did you don't

1174
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: say she I ain't saying no name.

1175
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 9: This segment right here, card, I ain't saying no names.

1176
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 9: Will you tell us a story funny or fucked up?

1177
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 9: Are funny and fucked up? In the Travels of Johnny Gill.

1178
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 14: Little John the first Little John, Little John that was

1179
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 14: great edition, back to solo Johnny.

1180
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 3: Ls g and then come on man, and then back

1181
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 3: to the back to the don't forget back to auditions,

1182
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: and we didn't record, but there was.

1183
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 5: Open for singers, open for y'all.

1184
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 2: Man, you didn't been in twelve quick man, I'm open

1185
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: for a few more if you need a group member.

1186
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: So so hm hmm.

1187
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: We need to know in the time, the Times, they.

1188
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 9: Didn't have no Instagrams and had no Twitters, no ex

1189
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 9: no tiki.

1190
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 7: Tell us a.

1191
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: Story from them times, man, Just don't say no name.

1192
01:06:58,720 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 7: I can't say no names.

1193
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: Please, man, oh my god, you can tell us.

1194
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: Who he was. Well, I can recall this young lady

1195
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: once again.

1196
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 5: She was an actress.

1197
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't asked me how I listen man.

1198
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 2: Big movie, small movies.

1199
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, she's been late night movies. She's been in

1200
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 7: some big movies. Matter of fact, you know, I just

1201
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 7: liked working women.

1202
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: You know, they had a job, and I knew, you know,

1203
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, they bought to the table and they

1204
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: got somewhere to go, and they have somewhere to go,

1205
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: something to do.

1206
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 7: But I remember her. She would show up everywhere.

1207
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: When we was on tour. She would just show up,

1208
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: show up, show up. And then I started dating this

1209
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: other girl and I had her over at the house

1210
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: and I'm sending her off to go to the airport.

1211
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: And the other girl I was dating comes over and

1212
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: she's in the house hanging out, chilling, and I'm thinking

1213
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: this other girl's gone. She turns around, makes you turn,

1214
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: comes back, knocks on the door, and uh, I'm like, uh,

1215
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: what you need?

1216
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 6: What you need?

1217
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: I was a little young. I couldn't think it's fair.

1218
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: What you need, what you need? That's a my god.

1219
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 12: I thought she was gone.

1220
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm act like I'm looking out the window going home.

1221
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: Nowhere.

1222
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: So she said, I know you you got somebody in there.

1223
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 7: And I'm like, oh, what you're talking about?

1224
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 9: And so.

1225
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 7: I'm like, she knows whatever. I said that listen, it's

1226
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 7: my friend.

1227
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: She gotta come in.

1228
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 7: She claims she left something here.

1229
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: So I told him.

1230
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 5: She got to the door.

1231
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 7: Listen, you don't shot no shit, you understand.

1232
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 5: They walks, He looks, she goes and who are you?

1233
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 7: She goes, who are you?

1234
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: She goes, well, who are you?

1235
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 5: She goes, are you?

1236
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 7: I told you no, We're not gonna start.

1237
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 1: No. I told her. I said, y'all both my friends.

1238
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 7: Y'are both my friends.

1239
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 4: It's so oh man. I got her coat, got her coat,

1240
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 4: and she said she was she was done. She was

1241
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 4: through with me until I looked around at the next city.

1242
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: Here she comes and standing there at my room door

1243
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: and crying.

1244
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 7: I'm like, damn, I thought you got rid of me.

1245
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: I thought you got rid of me. Did you let

1246
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: her in the room?

1247
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: I realized, oh yeah, that's when I realized I'm a

1248
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: true Hey. I didn't realize I had that kind of

1249
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: the one time I ever got busted. And that was

1250
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: the first and the only time. First and only, man,

1251
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: you didn't say nothing. I just told her, I said, listen.

1252
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 7: We have no ship.

1253
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: Man.

1254
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 7: You're my friend and you're my friend.

1255
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: She technically didn't.

1256
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: She didn't. She just do no ship. She came when

1257
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: she bounced out, she.

1258
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 7: Said she was done with me.

1259
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: That's okay.

1260
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: She wasn't really done. She wasn't.

1261
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 7: She couldn't be done with that.

1262
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: She couldn't done. She couldn't be done with that.

1263
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: You left that form my why why?

1264
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 3: Why?

1265
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: Why?

1266
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 10: Why?

1267
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 14: Why?

1268
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: Why?

1269
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't think I don't think you understand.

1270
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 3: I think you understand. This is great, bro, Bro, you

1271
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 3: do so awesome. Man, you so awesome.

1272
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1273
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 3: I've known you for many years. Man, I've always known

1274
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 3: you're a goofball. But you know, it's it's awesome for

1275
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 3: the world to see, and it's awesome to see you

1276
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 3: in in in good spirits man, And they're still moving

1277
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: and pushing on, continuing on the legacy of your mom,

1278
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 3: continuing on the legacy that that you've built, that continues

1279
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 3: to inspire us and and that will continue to inspire

1280
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 3: generations to come.

1281
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: Brother.

1282
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: I hope you know that well, can I just say

1283
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm proud of both of you guys man taking the

1284
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: bull by the horns.

1285
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 2: I have it because R and B.

1286
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: When you think about it, people keep having myth about

1287
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: R and B being dead. But it's not that it

1288
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: hasn't gone anywhere. It's still here. It still exists, and

1289
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of like what you guys have

1290
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: done to create a platform to remind people and give

1291
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: people somewhere to go to come to see and understand

1292
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: that it still lives. It's not gone anywhere. So it's

1293
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: the young. You guys have been doing an incredible job.

1294
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: I've watched from the from the from from Jeffrey Osborn

1295
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: to KC to you know, Bobby and the Levin Yeah

1296
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: brothers and everybody, man, and I just that what you

1297
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: guys are doing with given everybody, from the young to

1298
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: the old, just everybody an opportunity to be able to

1299
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: tell a story and have people to understand who they

1300
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: are and where they come from, because you don't know

1301
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: where you're going unless you know where you come from.

1302
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,560
Speaker 1: And you guys spread it out to the allow just

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01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: people come in. You guys are doing an amazing job

1304
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you how proud I am of

1305
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: both of you guys.

1306
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

1307
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: And this is the R and B Money podcast, the

1308
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 3: authority on all things your nigga would say, it wasn't

1309
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: R n B.

1310
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this has been.

1311
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: The edition.

1312
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: John himself.

1313
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 3: R and B Money.

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,160
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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,800
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Speaker 9: Money