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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, and I'm doing this is All Ball where

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Speaker 1: we have great basketball, usually basketball based conversations. Sometimes if

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Speaker 1: you look through our library there are there are non

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Speaker 1: basketball conversation with football. We've done a lot of football,

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Speaker 1: We've done some baseball as well. Today's episode is part

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Speaker 1: one of Tyler Hansbro. You may know him as Psycho T,

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Speaker 1: but that's not actually the nickname that everyone who truly

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Speaker 1: knows him calls him. So maybe this is a great

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Speaker 1: way of saying, you listen to the Doug Gottlib Show,

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Speaker 1: or you listened to the All Ball podcast right now,

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Speaker 1: you know the real nickname for Tyler Hansbro. Oh that's good, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's in here. There's a lot of good stuff in here. Um,

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Speaker 1: his dad went to Missouri. Why do you go to Carolina?

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Speaker 1: You have to jog your memory a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the time. What was high school days? Like? Where did

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Speaker 1: he visit? What was his best visit? All that stuff

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Speaker 1: is in part one. Tyler Hansborough from a National Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year, national champion, a guy who beat duke

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Speaker 1: podcast with him is right now in Elbow tyle Let's

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Speaker 1: let's start at the start, the very beginning. Okay, what

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Speaker 1: I know of is Popular Bluff High School. But is

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Speaker 1: that where you grew up? I grew up in Poplar Bluff, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: Small town, small community. Um, it's a hard working, blue

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Speaker 1: a lot of pride in Popular Bluff. To anybody's been

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Speaker 1: can be. But I'll just give you a um something

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Speaker 1: of is like wow when I say that. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I grew up in Paper Bluff, Missouri. Was actually

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Speaker 1: born in Columbia, Missouri. Uh, where my dad went to school. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, I love being from Papla Bluff. Um,

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Speaker 1: what's the what's the gym? Like? The high school gym?

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Speaker 1: Like the high school gym. I will tell you if

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Speaker 1: you were to walk in there when I played, it

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Speaker 1: would probably be the best high school, Jim You've ever been.

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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable we had. Um, I would say probably

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Speaker 1: it holds probably around two thousand and maybe three thousand

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Speaker 1: and Uh. The cool thing is when uh I grew

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Speaker 1: up watching basketball, Um in my community all the time.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you around Christmas time, every high school,

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Speaker 1: every small town they have this basketball tournament and so

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Speaker 1: uh in Poplar Bluff they have the the Showdown and

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Speaker 1: it's where they you know, have you know some teams,

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Speaker 1: they always pay a team to come in that's really good.

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Speaker 1: Uh and that team usually beats up on everybody actually

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Speaker 1: Popera Bluff Before UH my team started, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: my when I was in high school, we never really

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Speaker 1: it's ah it is a great gym. And I remember

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Speaker 1: when when I first started watching the high school games,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't a big crowd but me and my brother

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Speaker 1: and our team. Uh, I would say my sophomore year,

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Speaker 1: And the work we put in every single day. We

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Speaker 1: five thirty in the morning every single off season, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: free throws or whatever. And Uh that was just you know,

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Speaker 1: part of my high school and the way we worked. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So growing up you mentioned your dad going to misdoo

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Speaker 1: was your was your house like Missoo? Everywhere house was?

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Speaker 1: It was? It like what was what was the sports

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Speaker 1: What was your sports household? Like we were Missoo and

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Speaker 1: had Norm Stewart Storm and Norman Um. I grew up

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Speaker 1: But I grew up a huge Missoo fan. And then

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Speaker 1: eventually when I was, you know, getting recruited by Missouri,

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Speaker 1: And that is just the mindset that you know, and

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Speaker 1: um there's this There was this Nike Hoop Jamboree in St.

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Speaker 1: Uh is greg Oden? And Greg Oden came out of

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Speaker 1: hoop Jamboree too, And if anybody remembers greg Oden in

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was dominating. And I remember that's the

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Speaker 1: experience for Yeah, it was big time for our for

428
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: our hometown, our program. I mean we're on ESPN. Everything

429
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: was great, and uh when we went on that trip,

430
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: the funny thing I remember about it is is I

431
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: knew who Greg Oden. I mean I know Greg Oden,

432
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: I've seen him play a lot, but a lot of

433
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: my teammates have it. And so when we're game planning,

434
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: we had, uh, my best friend Ross well and who

435
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: was like six six nine, the big dude, and he

436
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: was our banger. I mean he was an absolute banger

437
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: and so he was physical, he really embodied defense, and

438
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you didn't have your hands full

439
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: of this game. And so I knew he was gonna

440
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: help me out a lot because he could wear greg

441
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: Oding down and he did a great job on him

442
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: in the first half. The second half, greg Oing dunked

443
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: on him probably four or five times, just monster tomahawk

444
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: hammer jam right on his face. And I remember after

445
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: the game, he was my roommate. We're both sitting laying

446
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: down and then you know the MSPN, the top plays

447
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: doneah nu, donea nu and they just had they just

448
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: had Ross just getting dunked on three times in a

449
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: row as the highlights, and you could hear the whole

450
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: hallway our high school team to start dying laughing, and

451
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: uh you know, and I remember that that was really

452
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: uh funny. Uh but uh you know. We we went

453
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: on and we you know, that year, we pretty much

454
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: dominated most teams that we play. We're really good, good team.

455
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: And then two eventually we got to the state playoffs

456
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: and we met Vashan in the state finals and they

457
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: had one, I think at the time fifty two games

458
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: or fifty three games in a row. They're actually the

459
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: number one team in the country, and so, uh we

460
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: went in there, and I remember we won the state

461
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: championship the next year against Vashon, which was a huge

462
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: deal for our school and the fan bases. You could

463
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: tell who's pulling for Vashon, and you could tell who's

464
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: pulling for Papa Bluff before you pulled up. And I

465
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: wasn't a big, you know, ship talker back in the day,

466
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: but I will tell you my younger brother Ben, who

467
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: was one eight personality for me, he was a big

468
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: ship talker. Roth Swallen was a big ship talker. And

469
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: those two dudes would talk smack before. And remember when

470
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: we started passing, we passed Vashean as we're going into

471
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: the It was a new arena for Maszoo at the time.

472
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: That's when we played the state championship and Vashon sat

473
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I knew Ben and Ross

474
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: just jumped on it. They started talking a little smack too,

475
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: But I was just sitting back there, and uh, you know,

476
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: winning that game was a huge deal for our community obviously,

477
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: but also to uh you know, it seemed like Vashon

478
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: kind of dominated uh Missouri basketball and also intimidated a

479
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of teams from St. Louis and being from Poper

480
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: Bluff and that small town pride as growing up, this

481
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: is a wrong way to look at it. But being

482
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: from a small town, we always viewed the city. You know,

483
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: city people is kind of like not really hard workers,

484
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: and you know they kind of have the kind of

485
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: have everything a little easy. And so I think that

486
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: perspective and I carried that view in high school. I thought,

487
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, most teams from St. Louis were kind of

488
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: soft and so, um, I mean there's there's the there's

489
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: the there's the age old like all they do is

490
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: try and go one on one. You know, we play

491
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: as a team, right, We're harder working. It's the classic

492
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: city versus the country. Right, Yeah, that's that's exactly what

493
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: it was. And uh, I remember we went out there

494
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: and beat up on him and we won the game.

495
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: It was a huge deal. And uh actually they had

496
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: something uh set up on TV for after the game.

497
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: They thought it was on Fox Sports, and uh they

498
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: thought vas Sean would just win the game, and so

499
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: they had something program talking about the road to Perfection

500
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: and winning the state championship where they had followed that

501
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: team around the whole year and they were gonna put

502
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: everything together for after when they won the state championship

503
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: and then and then we want it and uh so,

504
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: uh they it kind of ruined their uh their episode

505
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: after the state championship, which everyone from my hometown really liked.

506
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: But no, that that was that was big time for

507
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: us McDonald's American game. What was that like? That was

508
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: that was a great experience. Um, you know, and and

509
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: looking back on it, uh, you know, there's a little

510
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: there's some politics in there, but you know, being a

511
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: top player, I mean and getting teamed up you realize,

512
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: how you know, the game itself isn't all that important,

513
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: but just being there and then being selected was a

514
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: big deal. I'm not sure anybody from Papa Bluff has

515
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: been and McDonald's American uh since or before, but yeah,

516
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: it was a big deal for for me in my community.

517
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Well it's it's because it's like here's how I pictured

518
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: because this is I didn't playing the uh McDonald's. I

519
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: played in the Magics which is now the Jordan Brand, right,

520
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: And I just remember like I was playing to win,

521
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: you know. I actually the whole week in practice, like

522
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: I was studying Stefan Marbury because I didn't want to

523
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: get lit up by Stephan Marbury. So I figured out

524
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: that he wanted to drive out of his right hand

525
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: and shoot pull ups out of his left hand, you know,

526
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: and so so I was like pushing up on it,

527
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: making a go left. And if you look back, like

528
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: he had a terrible game shooting the basketball. He was

529
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: I want to say, like two for twelve. I don't

530
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: think he hit any on me, and I didn't want to.

531
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get crossed up whatever. And I

532
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: only hit I only took like two shots or maybe

533
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: three shots at a bunch of assists. But I I

534
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: I look back and up with pride, like, hey, my

535
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: team won by thirty. But again, that's not what that

536
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: game is about. I kind of picture you the same way.

537
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're playing like I want to get

538
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: a rebounds or a run, and meanwhile every everybody else

539
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: is like they're just kind of having fun. Is that

540
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: was that your experience and you're playing it? Yeah? I

541
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: prepped for I mean when I had the when the

542
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: game was going on, I was like, no, I'm gonna

543
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: come out of here and dominate um and trying to

544
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: win the game. But uh, looking back, you know, I realized,

545
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, actually the game was like that was still

546
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, you you played in you know, high schoolers

547
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: could go to the NBA, and that was kind of

548
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: like a big deal. And so I realized a lot

549
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: of people were trying to position themselves for you know,

550
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: draft stock or whatever, and uh, so there was so

551
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: much pressure on a lot of kids put on themselves,

552
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: you know. So eventually everyone played selfish and you know,

553
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: you see the parents come down start talking to their

554
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: kids or whatever. Actually I can't say who it was,

555
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: but well I remember one parent pulled their kid out

556
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: and said, don't go back in, and I was just like, man,

557
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: what the hell? And uh but yeah, looking back on

558
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: the game, it was also cool because you know, yeah,

559
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: the the parent came down was like, no, you're done,

560
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: don't play more because they thought they were positioning their

561
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: kids for a draft stock. And uh. But the other

562
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: side of that is, uh, I got to meet uh

563
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Bobby Fraser, uh, Danny green All at the McDonald's game,

564
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: which we eventually went to Carolina together. So it's a

565
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: chance to meet some of my teammates, uh, which I

566
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: looking back, that was a pretty good just experience as well.

567
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: You show up at Carolina when did you get there?

568
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Summer or fall? Summer before my freshman year, and uh,

569
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: when I first walked on the campus, I remember, I

570
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: remember calling my mom and I was just like, man,

571
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm lost. This place is so big. And I was like,

572
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: can you just like tell me where I'm at? I

573
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: have no clue where I'm going, Like I'm lost on

574
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: campus looking back, Man, this place is not that big.

575
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Just being from Popular Bluff, I was just I was

576
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: just so I mean, the campus were just so big

577
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: to me at the time, but realizing it now, knowing

578
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: what I know now, it's just you know, you and

579
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: c is not a big campus. But I was blown

580
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: away by the place. Um, you know, it's it's much

581
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: different than Popular Bluff where I'm from. Okay, so you

582
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: you get ready for what was your preseason condition like

583
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: Carolina preseason conditioning? What was that like? I was so

584
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: I had so much anxiety that I wasn't going to

585
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: pass the conditioning test, that I was in the best

586
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: shape of my life. What was it going to mean?

587
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: You ever heard of thirty threes? So it's six down

588
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: and backs in thirty three seconds? So one, two, three, four, five, six,

589
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: So it's six touches yep, yep. So you get yourself

590
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: worked up that you couldn't pass the three and thirty three. No,

591
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: we did twelve of them and you had a minute maybe,

592
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: so you had a minute rest in between each thirty

593
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: three and you had to make twelve of them and

594
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so it's back to So it's back to

595
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: back with the minute rest in between each thirty three

596
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: and so um, I was so paranoid about that. Everyone

597
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: had talked about how hard the conditioning test is. That

598
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: actually my freshman year I had no problems with it.

599
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: I passed it, and I was you know, I was

600
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: super excited about it, and I was in the best

601
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: shape of my life. Uh, not to mention that test

602
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: is a beast and they don't even do that test anymore.

603
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I remember. I always like to kind of like that

604
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: is my gauge how tough guys are when they come

605
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: in their freshman year, shif they can do that conditioning

606
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: tests And uh, but it's funny because my sophomore year

607
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: I did so well on the conditioning test that my

608
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: sophomore year I had to dive through up and had

609
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: to drop out because I didn't have the anxiety that

610
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: I did the previous year about it, So I wasn't

611
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: nervous or a paranoid that I wasn't gonna make it,

612
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: so I didn't take it as serious. And uh, I

613
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: end up throwing up one thirty three, which you can

614
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: miss one, but you have to make it up after

615
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: the twelve one. So there's so you have to make twelve. Uh,

616
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: but if you miss one, you get one chance to

617
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: make that up one time. But if you missed two,

618
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: you have to redo the whole test. And so I'll

619
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: let you can't miss until you can't play until you

620
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: pass the tests at the that that was the rule

621
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: in the early days when I was there, and so

622
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: um I I missed one my sophomore year, but I

623
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: got the chance to make it up just because it

624
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: was one, and I made it. Uh. But I did

625
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: pew halfway through. Um, I remember that. But the conditioning

626
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: tests was so great because you're in better shape for

627
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: the conditioning testing. You are at any point in the season.

628
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: If you ask me, I mean you're healthy. You're not.

629
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: You don't have your body is not as banged up,

630
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: and all you're doing is preparing for the conditioning tests

631
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: because you're you know, you're so paranoid a boy not

632
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: passing it. Interesting your first year, you're defending national champions

633
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: and won the actually change in St. Louis right against Illinois,

634
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: by the way, like all kinds of kind of bout

635
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: to Illinois. But you know, most of those guys had left.

636
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: Most of those guys were We're gone. Um what the

637
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: first time you put on your Carolina uniform? Are guy

638
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: on the side? What's that like the the universe means

639
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: the best uniform? It's not not. The Carolina blue is

640
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: the best and uh and so I you know, it

641
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: was a big deal. Also, the Jordan brand, you know,

642
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: having that Jordan symbol on the uniform was really really cool.

643
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, I mean I never really got caught up

644
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: in that, but I remember running out into the uh

645
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: to the Smith Center and thinking how cool it was

646
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: to hear the band and the atmosphere uh in that

647
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: place and the energy. But to be honest, you know,

648
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: our team, we didn't have a lot of expectations by

649
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: freshman year. Not a lot of people thought we're gonna

650
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: be very good. And they had just won a national championship.

651
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: They lost Raymond Felt and Rashad McCanns, uh, Shawn me,

652
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: Marvin Williams, uh Jawad Williams, and so a lot of

653
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: people were, you know, saying, oh, this is gonna be

654
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: down year, and so actually, in a lot of ways,

655
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: my freshman year was probably one of my favorite years

656
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: in college. Obviously, uh, winning national championships real cool, and

657
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that's, uh, that's a year I really liked.

658
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: But uh, my senior year, there's a lot of pressure,

659
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: and also I was working through some injuries, and so

660
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: it was a tough year if you combine all that stuff.

661
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: But my freshman year was was really exciting because there

662
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of expectations and it seemed like everyone

663
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: had kind of written us off. But what they didn't

664
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: take into account is how tough that team was. I

665
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: mean West Miller, who was a super competitor, extremely tough.

666
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: Uh he was. He was a main player on that team. Uh,

667
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Bobby Fraser who worked his tell off, a blue collar player,

668
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: Marcus Kinnard really braces role. Danny Green came in there,

669
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: knocked down some big shots, and then we had a

670
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: leader in David Noel who was really good. Uh, and

671
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: had a lot of experience and really showed us, um

672
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, led us in a way that you know,

673
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: made that team tough. And that was probably my favorite

674
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: year of Carolina And it's just the fact that we

675
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: had took a lot of people by surprise and we

676
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: took a lot of pride in that um And I

677
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: think looking back on that, the game that really stands

678
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: out is a game where we walked into Cameron when

679
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: h JJ Reddick Sheldon Williams. It was their senior year,

680
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: senior night, Senior night. So Okay, growing up in public Bluff, Okay,

681
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: following college basketball, how much did you follow dude? Like?

682
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: How much was that? A? Uh yeah, I followed Duke.

683
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: I like Duke, but it wasn't I was never like

684
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: a big Duke fan. No, I got it. I just

685
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: just it's the idea of that. It's like, Okay, so again,

686
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: growing up in California, the reason I love Duke was

687
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: because of Hurley Early. That's who I kind of patterned

688
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: my game after a right, So I just I didn't

689
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: know how big it. So the first time you walk

690
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: into camera, now you've already played Duke. This is the

691
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: interesting At what point in your life, did you learn

692
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: to dislike dude to hate duke? Like how you know

693
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like? When? When did that? As soon

694
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: as I committed to North Carolina, I bought into I

695
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: never hated duke before that. I actually enjoyed watching them.

696
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: They had. Uh let's say, Trajan Langdon was the first

697
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: real duke guy that I remember when he was there,

698
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: he was just lighting them up. And I remember Shane

699
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: Battier and those teams, um how good they were. And

700
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: then when I was in high school, you know, JJ

701
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: Reddick kind of popped up on the scene, you know,

702
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: a senior in high school, and I remember they not

703
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: only not only did we play them before, they kicked

704
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: our ass in the Smith Center like they they just

705
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: destroyed us that previous game. And I remember j J.

706
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: I think he had thirty eight in the Smith Center

707
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: the game before, and he lit us up. And I

708
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: think that's a big reason why we uh practiced so

709
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: hard and game playing for that game in Cameron because

710
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: of what they had done to us previously in the

711
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Smith Center, and so going into Cameron that freshman year

712
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: and getting that win, that's that's probably my favorite regular

713
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: season win at Carolina was that, and then I remember

714
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: just excitement around campus whenever you know, Duke and North

715
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: Carolina are so close. For people who don't know, like

716
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: when you get a winning Cameron, you want to get

717
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: on the bus and go back and party back at

718
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: you and see with all your you know, your your classmates.

719
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean it is a big scene. And uh, I

720
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: remember when we won there, we all celebrated and as

721
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: soon as we step on the bus, you know, the

722
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: Texas like, hey, where are we going, Like what's what's happening?

723
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: And we'd all figured that out and then just drop

724
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: our backs and immediately go to Franklin Street or whatever

725
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: bar we're gonna go to and celebrate. What are those

726
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: What is that game? What do you remember about the game?

727
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: The actual game itself? The actual game? I remember, yeah,

728
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: so the actual game my freshman year. I remember JJ

729
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: really struggled. I think he got off to a good

730
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: start and then he really struggled the rest of the game.

731
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I think half you know, part of

732
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: it was because maybe it was senior night for them

733
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: and he put a lot of pressure on himself. But also, uh,

734
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Marcus Ginyard was a really good defender. David Noel was

735
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: a really good defender. Fraser was a you know, a

736
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: very good defender, and West could defend at times. Uh,

737
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: but you know he, I mean he West was a

738
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: pure shooter, but he he was a competitor to uh.

739
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: And I remember we did a really good job on him.

740
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, yeah, yeah, we did a

741
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: great job. I mean in that, did you God Sheldon,

742
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: because Sheldon Sheldon had eighteen and fifteen? Yeah you had

743
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: you had seven and ten. Yeah, I had a big

744
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: game there. I mean it was I think it hit

745
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: the top of the key three that kind of really

746
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: sealed the game. Uh, so that was a big moment.

747
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: I remember. The one thing I remember about the game

748
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: is I remember David Noel running up to me, who

749
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: was our leader, and just we gave each other a

750
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: huge hug. And that was, uh that was really special

751
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: to me. And that's one of my you know, looking back,

752
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: just like that big relief in that celebration and uh

753
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: us you know that team really you know, walking in there, Uh,

754
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: it was more like, hey, we're much better than a

755
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: lot of people think. But uh, you know, later on

756
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: in that you know, we went to the n C

757
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: a term and that was when George Mason beat us,

758
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: and that was a that was a very difficult below

759
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: because we we felt like we had done such a

760
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: good job that year and we just got you know,

761
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: we just got caught off guard like any team can

762
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: in the tournament and that's what makes it so great.

763
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: But um, yeah it was. It was a great year

764
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: that ended in a tough way for us. Okay, So

765
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: you're so much different between your freshman software than you

766
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: are leading up to your freshman year, right because, like

767
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: you said, you don't even know your campus. You don't

768
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: know what to expect. You've got anxiety over conditioning test

769
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: like you know, and and and as much as coach

770
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Williams is honest, like he's still recruiting you, it's a

771
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: little different when you're playing for him. You get done

772
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: with that first year. Where's where's your brain at in

773
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: terms of your game, in terms of what you what

774
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: you want to do, and and what you thought the

775
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: next step was for you. Yeah, so after a lot

776
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: of people don't realize this, the only time I actually

777
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: really thought about going to the NBA was after my

778
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: freshman year, and I talked it over with my mom

779
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: and dad and my grandpa and I remember, you know,

780
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, if I was gonna go,

781
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: that would that would be the time. And I felt

782
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: like I put myself in good position. Uh, But um,

783
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: I decided to come back to Carolina. Actually got a

784
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: little homesick. I missed my I missed popular bluff um

785
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: in a weird way. But um, I did get a

786
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: little comfortable. And I would say it was in a

787
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: weird way, but Tom Tom waits in a weird way

788
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: because you know, when you think you go to North

789
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Carolina and your star basketball player, uh, going to a

790
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: great school, you know, you wouldn't think that, you know,

791
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: you missed your hometown. And so I did miss Yeah,

792
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: I missed my hometown a lot of friends. It's first

793
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: time being away from, you know, my home for a

794
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: long time. And so I you know, that was. You

795
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of people when you're from a small city,

796
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: they're like, man, I just want to make it out

797
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: of here, or I want to get out of here,

798
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you gonna do when you

799
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: get out of here? You can do the same thing.

800
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: It's another city. And uh, I've always asked that. But um,

801
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: now and I did miss I miss I guess I

802
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: missed my friends and family a lot. But sure, uh

803
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: looking back on it, um, coming into my sophomore year,

804
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: I really so Wait, so what was the deciding factor

805
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: in like what your mom? Do you talk to your

806
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: mom and dad? What what what they say about about

807
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: the idea of going pro But I mean they were

808
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: both will support you whatever you want to do. But

809
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: my grandpa, who's very opinionated, I called him. He's like,

810
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: you better go back to school. He was very passionate

811
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: about that. What do you call your grandpa? I called

812
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: him Papaul growing up. I mean he's no longer here,

813
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: but he was. He was somebody who Okay, sheet wait,

814
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: so you called Papaul or he called you know, I

815
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: called him? And uh, okay, so you call you call him?

816
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: Get Like, what was it? What's what's the phone cup?

817
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: What's the conversation? Like? I said, Hey, Papa, I'm thinking,

818
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think about if I were

819
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: to go to the NBA? Uh? You know Lee Carolina

820
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: and my grandpa at the time, he was very old

821
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: school and he a lot of people don't realize he's

822
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: the first person in his family to ever graduate from

823
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: actually even high school and so he became a doctor,

824
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: came out of poverty, and he said you better go

825
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: back to school. And so that was it, and that

826
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: was the whole conversation. He was like, no, I think

827
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: you need to go back to school. That was it.

828
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: And so he called what did he call you? He

829
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: called you Tyler. You just called Tyler. And so Tyler,

830
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: you need to go back school. That was it. And

831
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: that was all. That's that was my grandpa. That was it,

832
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: very direct on us. And uh then we moved on

833
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: and probably talked about something else. Uh, but yeah, that

834
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: was a big reason why I went back to Carolina

835
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: was because of his advice. Uh. And then leading into

836
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: my sophomore year, I felt like I had a down year.

837
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: My sophomore year. I didn't really meet the expectations that

838
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: I wanted. And so, you know, in a weird way,

839
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: everyone talks about like a sophomore slump or whatever. For me,

840
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: as I got too comfortable, and uh, I think the

841
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: success I had my freshman year, sometimes I say I

842
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: don't handle success as well as I do losing, because

843
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: losing drives me a lot more. And so and so

844
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: I felt like I was just getting to repeat what

845
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: I did but even though I had a good sophomore, yeah,

846
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I met the expectations that

847
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: I wanted. And so that's what really drove me. Uh,

848
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: the summer in between my sophomore junior year is to

849
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: really really improve. And we we took a tough loss

850
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: that sophomore year. Uh where did we lose? We lost

851
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: to George in the Lead A. You did win the

852
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: A C C and the a SEC Tournament. I guess

853
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: a team. You guys were pretty good and you lost

854
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: in the lead eight to Georgetown. So it wasn't like

855
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: it was it was a as a team. It wasn't

856
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: a disaster. It was why did you think that? Why?

857
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: Why did you personally? What what was missing for you?

858
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: I didn't feel I didn't feel like the regular a

859
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: SEC play, didn't feel like I played to what I

860
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: was capable of. Uh, there were some things I wanted

861
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: to add to my game that I didn't really you know,

862
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: put it in like I should have. But and even

863
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: though I had a good sophomore year, Uh, that Georgetown

864
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: loss was tough. And you know, the Lead eight is

865
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: very good looking back, and but that team was too talented.

866
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we let one slip. If you look

867
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: at the game, I think we're up to by ten

868
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: with about two minutes left. And uh, the Georgetown loss,

869
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and so that was that was a really motivating factor

870
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: as well. And and UH coach Williams, he wasn't happy

871
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: about that Elite eight loss. I mean he, I mean

872
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: we came back to UH to campus and there was

873
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: newspaper clippings and all through everyone's, uh, the locker room

874
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: about how Georgetown is going to the Final four and everything.

875
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: So no one really was really happy with that. And Uh,

876
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: I think those factors kind of led me to work

877
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: really hard in between my sophomore and junior UH season

878
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: at Carolina. You know, you you did gloss over the

879
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: fact that you beat Duke yet again, right, so the

880
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: first time you do it at senior night, that one

881
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: wasn't senior night. It's February. You go in there. Do

882
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: you remember the second dude game? Let me see here, Uh,

883
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: they had police, they had McRoberts. Um ye was McClure Henderson,

884
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: David McClure shire. Yep, Uh, Lance Thomas. Lance Thomas played

885
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. Mc roberts was was a big time

886
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: player in high school and so I remember that matchup

887
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: one to get that but uh, yeah, anytime you win

888
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: at Duke, it's a big deal. And uh I remember

889
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: that one. H I'm not even sure what was the

890
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: final school. I think they made a run light to

891
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: keep it close. But seventy three, now they weren't They

892
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: weren't that good that year. Yeah, they, I mean it

893
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: was they weren't that good. But also, um Gerald Henderson

894
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: is he was a very good competitor and uh he

895
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: he was explosive athletically, and I remember that's the first

896
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: time I really got a glimpse of him and as

897
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: a player, and I remember I was like, man, he's

898
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna be really good. And you know that that's kind

899
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: of where that was. But yeah, I mean, do you

900
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: guys ever interact with those guys, like, like, it's not

901
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: that big an area, right, you got you guys? Uh

902
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: and she stayed wake you're all kind of in the

903
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: in the triangle in that area. Do you guys ever

904
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: see each other, giver hoop with each other, interact with

905
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: each other, any of that stuff outside outside of the game.

906
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: One time, did they come over to the Smith Center

907
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: and play pick up with us? Um? We never like

908
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: I know that early on that the duke guys would

909
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: come over and play pick up, but that was before

910
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: I got there. They just came over one time. We

911
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: never really had much of an interaction, and I never

912
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: saw the NC State players uh here there. So I

913
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: mean occasionally I run into a duke player, very occasionally.

914
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: I ran into Sheldon a couple of times. Actually he

915
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: came over and said what's up. But there was no

916
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: One time I saw a duke player at a Carolina

917
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: bar when I was out. I wasn't really happy about that.

918
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: But besides, and that was that was just looking back,

919
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: that's just so stupid. I mean, like, nah, hey man,

920
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: you're at you and see like I totally get I

921
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: get it, like you just like hate I don't know.

922
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: And I didn't hate any buddy team. I had no

923
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: Like I liked the basketball and football when I was

924
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: a kid in California. I got there and they're like, look, man,

925
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: we hate oh you You're like, I don't know if

926
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: I hate you. Then you get there and you're like, yeah,

927
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: I hate that. I hate that. That's funny because um,

928
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: the same mentality is like you know, you're sitting around

929
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: some some teammates and he's run into you know, somebody

930
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: on the team that them over and you tap them

931
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: up and then they leave them. They're like, dude, what

932
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: the funk are you doing? Man? And uh then uh

933
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: then then did you do that to them? You're like, man, dude,

934
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: that dude is man fuck him, blah blah blah. And

935
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: then they come over. We're like, oh, hey, what's up?

936
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: How are you doing? And then you say what's something like?

937
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: Then you look over and like, what dude, what are

938
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: you doing? And uh yeah, And we had that same mentality.

939
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: And uh, I remember I ran a duke player over

940
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: you know this spot we used to always go out

941
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: and uhla residents, we just call it La Rez and

942
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: it was it was the best bar in Chapel Hill

943
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: when I was in school. And so I saw a

944
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: duke player and then because because the talent, because the

945
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: set up, because the music, it was everything that combined.

946
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: Uh it was great music. It was a great bar.

947
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like it wasn't over ran with too

948
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: much frak It was a good mixture of athletes, regular

949
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: students and you know, you know, sororities and the fraternities.

950
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: They were involved a little bit. But uh, and I

951
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: remember I saw a Duke player there and you know,

952
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: you sent you here, like man, what's going on? You

953
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: get a few drinks in you and you're like, man,

954
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: this is our fucking campus, and then you start, you know,

955
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: walking in and so so eventually I was like, do

956
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: what you can't go get your own girls over at

957
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: Duke or something like that, and he looked at me

958
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: to be a hundred percent honest with you, this is

959
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: a much better scene. And then I think we both

960
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: tapped each other up right there and just started laughing. Uh.

961
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, that was that was pretty funny. But

962
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: now it was that's the only interaction I had running

963
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: into somebody actually at you and see. Even though I

964
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: heard that, I don't know how true this is. There's

965
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: so many rumors out there, but I heard that J

966
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: J ready one time when went out and you and

967
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: see and uh, he went to this place called Bob's

968
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: and apparently everyone just I mean, he ended up leaving.

969
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: But that was just a rumor. I'm sure if it's

970
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: true or not. Yeah, all right, that's it for part one.

971
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for part two. We'll drop it into a

972
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: couple of days I know, I know you're salivating it.

973
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: More of Tyler Hansbro. Oh yeah, we got the National

974
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: Championship season plus all the way up to the green room.

975
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: That's all part of Part two. In the meantime, reminded

976
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977
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