1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The Hey Joe addition, as we 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: discuss Joe Burrow, other NFL draft prospects, and what the 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: data says about the Bengals roster with Pro Football Focus 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: analyst Austin Gale, we'll discuss the draft, free agency, and 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Sunday Super Bowl matchup between the Chiefs and forty nine Ers, 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: And as the NFL celebrates its one hundredth season, we'll 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: do fun facts with one of two Bengals selected to 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: the NFL's all time team, offensive lineman Anthony Munio's. All 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a quick 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: reminder that you can have the latest edition of this 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since the movie Parasite. Parasite is 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: a Korean movie that won the top prize and supposedly 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: received an eight minute standing ovation at the Khan Film Festival, 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: and it's one of nine Best Picture nominees for this 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: year's Academy Awards. Despite the name, it's not a horror movie. 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: It's a dark comedy with some chilling twists, and in 20 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: my opinion, it's outstanding. So if you don't mind movies 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: with subtitles, I highly recommend Parasite. Now, let's get to football. 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: The most influential source of advanced statistics in football is 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: the website Pro Football Focus. It was founded in the 24 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: United Kingdom more than a decade ago, and then in 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, former Bengals wide receiver Chris Collinsworth purchased a 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: majority stake in the company and moved it to downtown Cincinnati. 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: PF now has more than eighty full time employees and 28 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: provides data to all thirty two NFL teams, as well 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: as fans, fantasy football players, and people who are into 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. This week, I met with one of 31 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: PF's top analysts about the draft, free agency, and Sunday 32 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We are hanging out in a downtown coffee 33 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: shop with Pro Football Focus analyst Austin Gale. There's construction 34 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: going on at PF and downtown Cincinnati, so we've moved 35 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: a few blocks away to talk about the draft, about 36 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and about the Bengals. Let's start with 37 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: a topic that's on every Bengals fans mind. Joe Burrow. 38 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: He had the highest rated season by a college quarterback 39 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: ever in the Pro Football Focus era. And we've all 40 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: seen the traditional stats seventy six percent completion percentage, sixty 41 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: touchdown passes, six interceptions. But how about some of the 42 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus stats that demonstrate just how great he 43 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: was this year. Yeah, I mean to start with that 44 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: highest graded season ever in the PF college era. That's 45 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: dating back to twenty fourteen when we first started grading 46 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: college quarterbacks. And what really stands out for me is 47 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: that that grade came against SEC competition. You look at 48 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: this list of top fifteen seasons in the college era, 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: so much of it is in the Group of five, 50 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: so much of it is in the Big twelve. Joe 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: Burrow is one of two quarterbacks in the top fifteen 52 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: from the SEC Joe Burrow to Attack of Bloa. That's 53 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: what's really incredible for me, that level of competition. Doing 54 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: it against that level of competition is incredible. And as 55 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: for the stats that kind of go into that, really, 56 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: how you grade well in PFF system at the college 57 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: and NFL level is being accurate. Joe Burrow is the 58 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: most accurate college quarterback we've ever seen. Looking at throws 59 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: of ten plus are yards he had who was accurate 60 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: on target over sixty five percent of the time. The 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: previous record was Baker Mayfield at fifty six percent of 62 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: the time. This is absurd. You just don't see this 63 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: level of accuracy at the college level. Yes, he's an 64 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: older prospect, Yes he's kind of you know, doing it 65 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: in a very good something that Joe Brady had. But man, 66 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: this guy's really accurate, and that's really what put him 67 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: in another level from a grading perspective. We have coffee 68 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: beans being ground in the background. I'm glad you brought 69 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: up that ten air yards statistic because so many times 70 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: in college football we see these ridiculous completion percentages and 71 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: it's because they're throwing bubble screens, they're throwing sideways. Joe 72 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: Burrow pressed the ball down the field, Oh absolutely. And 73 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: talking to NFL guys, scouts and analysts and also media, 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Jeremiah, guys from the athletic they love 75 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: what PF data can do and what we can see 76 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: by separating that accut remove screens, remove play action. Look 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: at these throws on standard dropbacks ten plus yards down 78 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: the football field, and how does he grade out? Joe Burrow, 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: hands down the best quarterback in college football on these 80 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: NFL level throws. And you go beyond that, we can 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: sort and look at tight window throws. When he's fitting 82 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: it in two tight windows. How on target is he 83 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: again the most accurate quarterback in college football? And talking 84 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: to our data scientists here at PFF, George Johurri and 85 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: Air Eager, these guys see that accuracy at the college 86 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: level on target percentage or things that translate the most 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: most recently or most frequently to the NFL level. So 88 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 1: being accurate is so important and why it really ranks 89 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: high in our grading system. Our guest is Austin gayale 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: An analysts from Pro Football Focus. Are there any red 91 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: flags where Joe Burrow is concerned? Yeah, I think there's 92 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: two that come to mind. One, it's the age. He's 93 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: an older prospect. I think he'll turn twenty four here 94 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: pretty soon. But and that's a concern because you're going 95 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: to get some younger guys and like that experience in 96 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: that age and that maturity plays a factor in how 97 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: you develop. You compare him to a guy like to 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: a tongue of maloa who's had NFL ready pocket present 99 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: since he was eighteen years old. With Joe Burrow, that 100 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: can be a little bit of a concern. It's not 101 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: Brandon Weedon level of concerns he was coming out like 102 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty nine, but age is something. If you 103 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: had to pull a red flag on a guy who's 104 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: going to be the number one overall bit come twenty 105 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: twenty draft, that is where I kind of sit. The 106 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: other one is the system. I mean, Joe Brady, there's 107 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: a reason he's coaching in the NFL right now. He 108 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: put together a system that really elevated Joe burrows game. 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: I think, however, accuracy, regardless of system, shows up when 110 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: you're accurate, not with the supporting cast or those things. 111 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: That's why we really feel comfortable pushing those red flags 112 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: a bit away, because if you're as accurate as Joe 113 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: Burrow is, I think that's really what's most impressive. How 114 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: does Joe Burrow compare to Tuah or Justin Herbert are 115 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks in this draft? Yeah? In this draft, 116 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: he's the best, and all the drafts that we really covered, 117 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: I think he's the best. He's the best college football 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: quarterback from a prospect perspective we've ever really seen. And 119 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: I think the comparisons between Tuah and Joe Burrow, it's 120 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: hard to not bring up the injury. There's so much 121 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: injury risk with to a tongue of iloa. I think 122 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: he's a great quarterback. He's the only quarterback and PFF 123 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: college era that's created above ninety point zero in back 124 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: to back seasons. That's how good this guy is. The 125 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: injury risk, however, puts him a tier. Blow also doesn't 126 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: have the arm talent that Joe Burrow has. There's some 127 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: inconsistent he's not as accurate. No one is as accurate 128 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: as Joe Burrow. And as for Justin Herbert, the concerns 129 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: the red flags in his game really are. It does 130 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: not rise to the occasion against good competition. I mean, 131 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: I think he's not a game or in that regard. 132 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: I think he grades well on air. He looks great 133 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: and pads and should I in shorts and things like 134 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: six foot six, great hair, good looking kid, very smart dude. 135 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: But when you look at games against Utah, you look 136 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: at games against Arizona, these games were like, hey, this 137 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: is a muscle. The Auburn games start the season, he 138 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: does not rise to the occasion. He's not the reason 139 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: these organ Ducks win. But with Burrow, he's the reason. 140 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: I think that's why you feel more comfortable translating him 141 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: to the next level. Does PFF have a great hair metric? 142 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: We don't, But I mean, if I had to put 143 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's on a scale, it's above ninety. I mean, 144 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: I saw him at the Senior Bowl. This guy's got 145 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: a good head of hair. We're talking to Ousten Gale 146 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus. Is there a case to be 147 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: made for Chase Young number one overall? Part of me 148 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: wants to kind of dodge us a bit, but I'm 149 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say it. No, there is not 150 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: a case for Chase Shown to go number one overall. One. 151 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: We think Joe Burrows a better prospect. Two. Positional value matters. 152 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: It's something you cannot ignore. In the NFL, the quarterback 153 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: position moves the needle more than any other position on 154 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: the football field. It's the picture of the NFL. But 155 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: he plays every game, unlike your number one picture in baseball. 156 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the positional value is again very similar to 157 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: goalies in the NHL, like you just don't get better 158 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: looking at PF's wins above replacement metric war and something 159 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: that we're selling the NFL and college teams now these 160 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: days looks at positional value and see ow that weighs 161 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: in the quarterback position oftentimes is eight to ten times 162 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: better than the best edge defender in football. That's like 163 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: the needle movers are quarterbacks. You don't a single defensive 164 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: player does not move the needle in the upward direction, 165 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: even if he is this generational talent, everyone thinks he 166 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: is like a quarterback does, even an average quarterback does 167 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: compared to a guy like Chaw And that shows in 168 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: the number one overall pick in the draft, and four 169 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: out of the last five years it's been a quarterback 170 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray last year, Baker Mayfield two years ago. You 171 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: had Miles Garrett in there the year before that, but 172 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: then Jared Goff and Jamis Winston. How does Joe Burrow 173 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: compare to those guys? Again, and I don't say this lightly, 174 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: but he is the best college football prospect we've seen 175 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: him better than Baker Mayfield. And PFF was high on 176 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield the October before that draft, really loved what 177 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: he did and reason why we like Baker Mayfield where 178 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the same reasons we like Joe Burrow. 179 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: Good inside and outside of structure, very accurate with the 180 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: football on these NFL throws. What's different is Joe Burrow 181 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: did it better, better from an accuracy standpoint, better on 182 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: those NFL throws, and he did it against SEC competition. 183 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't say that lightly. Like I said, of the 184 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: top fifteen graded seasons at the college level, I want 185 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: to say only there's only two players in that top 186 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: fifteen that are from the SEC. It's Joe Burrow into 187 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: a tongue of bailo. I think other guys like Will 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: gree are Big twelve, Mason Fine, Group of five, Baker Mayfield, 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, those other guys are going against what is 190 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: unquestionably lower level competition. SEC is a different breed. More 191 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: NFL talent comes out of that conference than any other conference. 192 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: I think that's why we're really so high on Burrow. 193 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: We're talking to Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus. You 194 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: were in Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. Let's look 195 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: at this from a Bengals perspective. Who are some of 196 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: the guys who would be a good fit for Cincinnati. Yeah, 197 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I think that's a good question. I think there's some 198 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: offensive line helped down Inmobile that really impressed me. Jonah Jackson, 199 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: the guard out of Ohio State who's a Rutger's transfer, 200 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: so not a lot of people knew about him till 201 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: he went Ohio State. Then he goes to Ohio State, 202 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: really really impresses down. Immobile guy is like really top heavy, 203 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: looks like he's got a mini fridge under his shoulder 204 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: pads and you're kind of scared of his lower half. 205 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: But he's got great balance, great in pass protection, a 206 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: malla in the run game. I think Bengals need offensive 207 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: line help. I know they have Jonah Williams coming back, 208 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: but they still need offensive line help. I think Jonah 209 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: Jackson was a name that stood out for me others there. 210 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: This receiving class is deep and it's very good. Michael Pittman, 211 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: junior of USC as a guy I think in the 212 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: second round starts to make sense for the Cincinnati Bengals. 213 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: kJ Hill Ohio State, had himself a week Inmobile, and 214 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. Of all three of those guys broke our 215 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: top one hundred after the Senior Bowl. I mean those 216 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: guys were really special players as well. So there were 217 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: guys that were not at the Senior Bowl for a 218 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: wide variety of reasons, maybe eligible juniors, things like that. 219 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: So when we're looking at the number one pick in 220 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: the second round, number thirty three overall, who do you 221 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: think might be there? Who are some of the guys 222 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: that you think the Bengals could be possibly targeting at 223 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: number thirty three? Yeah, I think I jumped to the 224 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: cornerback position. I think after Jeffrey Akudo, who I think 225 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: is a lock for the top five, the Ohio State kid, 226 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: former five star dude. It's got all the length, athleticism, 227 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: ball production off the charts. After that, the cornerback position 228 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: is going to go quick because there's not a lot 229 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: of true number one guys. Christian Fulton accepted his invite 230 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl but did not attend for reasons 231 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: I think that were unclear. I think because he knows 232 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: he's going high in this draft. I think there's a 233 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: chance because I think he's not super scheme burstyle, wants 234 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: to play a kind of a man heavy scheme. I 235 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: think he could have success at the top of round two. 236 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: He's the guy that I like. And then as for others, 237 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: think Justin Jefferson. If you wanted to pair Joe Burrow 238 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: with this guy out of LSU, Justin Jefferson. He's very 239 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: close to Tyler Boyd. I think they're very similar players 240 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: and that they can play inside and outside, but maybe 241 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: are better off on the inside. I think give Tyler 242 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: Boyd Justin Jefferson, two guys that catch everything, create separation 243 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: and against zone, very crafty, mindful receivers, you start to 244 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: get even better with Joe Burrow in your one. Did 245 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: the Bengals coaching staff make an impression in any way 246 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: with how they handled the South roster at the Senior Bowl? Yes, one, 247 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: because I think they handled the practice is better. I 248 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: think you saw a handful of things on Twitter and 249 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: other analysts say like why are the Detroit Lions doing 250 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: some things they do? They were doing blocking drills and 251 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: things like that. They didn't really give as many opportunities 252 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: as the Bengals coaching staff did to see how these 253 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: players performed in one on ones. You talk to scouts, 254 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: you talk to media, you talk to the players one 255 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: on ones or where the money is made. I talked 256 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: to kJ Hill, Ohio State receiver, right after practice one. 257 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: He said, I know I need to be good in 258 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: the one on ones. That's all I'm really focusing on 259 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: this week. And I think the Bengals did a really 260 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: good job of putting so many one on ones on 261 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: tape so they could really evaluate the players as well. 262 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: We're talking to Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus. I 263 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: want to turn the clock back to my first year's 264 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals announcer twenty eleven. Early in that season, Pro 265 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: Football Focus had a story where they referred to Geno 266 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: Atkins as a secret superstar, and I remember thinking at 267 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: the time, nobody was saying that yet about Geno Atkins. 268 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: At the end of that year, he went to the 269 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: first of his eight Pro Bowl. So I really thought 270 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: that Pro Football Focus helped get the word out that 271 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: Geno Atkins was going to be a great player. Are 272 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: there any breakout candidates on the Bengals current roster? I 273 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: have a handful. I mean I do like a handful 274 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: of the younger players on the Bengals roster. I'm still 275 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: going to say, Carl Lawson, if this guy could just 276 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: get healthy, I do think he's one of the better 277 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: pass rushers in the NFL. Throw arm lengthd out the window. 278 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this guy has it. I think in 279 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: the small sample sizes he's grated very well for PFF use, 280 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: effectively and healthy. He's a breakout candidate for me and 281 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. I mean, Jonah Williams didn't get a chance 282 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: to play this year due to an injury, which you 283 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: did not expect coming out of Alabama. This guy was 284 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: a workhorse, played a ton of snaps for the Crimson Tide. 285 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: We loved his tape coming out again. Throw the arm 286 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: length out the window. He was asked that question a 287 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: handful of times in the draft process. But super smart kid. 288 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but I had 289 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: a chance to to him before the draft. Before the 290 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: Bengals did draft him. This guy charts every single player 291 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: that he's about to go against how they win his 292 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: pass rushers outside inside bullrush and creates an Excel and 293 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: a Spider chart of how they win and studies that 294 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: at four games. This guy's PF legend. I mean, we 295 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: love what this guy does. From a data perspective. He 296 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: uses data to analyze and get better on film. He's 297 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: so smart between the years that I just can't imagine 298 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: this guy not having a good NFL career because he's 299 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: just too smart, athletically gifted and great production at Alabama. 300 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: When his career is over, he could be working with 301 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: you and gantn Cincinnati. Absolutely I would welcome it. I mean, 302 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: I interview I probably interviewed probably twenty five to fifty 303 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: prospects every year. Jonah Williams in the five six years 304 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: I've been doing this is the most is the best 305 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: interview I've ever had. He's just such a smart guy, 306 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: and smart smart is very important at the offensive line position. 307 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: You need tackles and even guards centers to be smart 308 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: to understand protections, different play calls, et cetera. But he's 309 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: on another level of smart comparing to the other guys 310 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: I talked to. I think Jonah Williams again that commitment 311 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: to getting better. This guy wants to be the best 312 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: in the league and has all the tools, mind, physical, 313 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: all that stuff to really be it for sure. Let 314 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: me follow up on the offensive line. Pro Football Focus 315 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: ranked all thirty two offensive lines. The two Super Bowl 316 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: teams I was surprised are not at the top, San 317 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: Francisco number fourteen, Kansas City number sixteen. So I guess 318 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: if you have a great quarterback like Patrick Mahomes or 319 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: an incredible scheme like San Francisco, you can get around 320 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: that a little bit. But the Bengals were number thirty. 321 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: The only two teams that graded lower were the Rams 322 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: and the Dolphins. When you look at the Bengals offensive line, 323 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: you plug in Jonah Williams at left tackle. Next year. 324 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: They gave a contract extension to Trey Hopkins, so he'll 325 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: be the center. Are they good enough anywhere else on 326 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: the offensive line? I would I would argue no, And 327 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: I know that's aggressive and throwing you know, throwing somewhat 328 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: level of shade at John Miller, Billy Price, the kid 329 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: at Michael Jordan of Ohio State. Right tackle. Bobby Hart 330 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: is not great well for us. He has not great 331 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: well for us really in his entire NFL career. And 332 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: seeing when they did give him that contract extension last year, 333 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember being in the office, real head 334 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: scratch was across the spoort. Did not see that coming. 335 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: And I think the problem the problem with that is, 336 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned the Super Bowl teams good quarterbacks 337 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: don't welcome pressure like bad quarterbacks. We've seen that sack 338 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: sacks and pressures and pressure rate can often be a 339 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: quarterback stat more often than it is an offensive line stat. 340 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: We talk to current and former NFL offensive lineman and 341 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: they bang the table for that kind of data analysis, 342 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: knowing that there are quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson that welcome 343 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: pressure bring pressure more often than you know at Patrick 344 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: Mahomes or things like that. But I will say this, 345 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, if he does actually get picked number one overall, 346 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: which I think all signs point to, he is very 347 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: good under pressure and he does not welcome it. That's 348 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: why I feel comfortable with the Bengals maybe going other 349 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: directions at the top of the draft and maybe even 350 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: in free agency, because Joe Burrows a guy that does 351 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: not make an average offensive line look worse. He's a 352 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: guy that makes an average offensive line looks so much 353 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: better with what he does, what he does inside outside 354 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: of structure, in terms of going through his progressions, etc. 355 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: We're picking the brain of Austin Gale from Pro Football 356 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: Focus based on PFF dada, where else should the Bengals 357 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: be looking to upgrade cornerback, cornerback, cornerback, cornerback, because I mean, 358 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: you cannot have a good enough good cornerbacks in this league. 359 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: And I know William Jackson had a very good season 360 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, But what we've seen at PF, cornerback 361 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: is the second most valuable position on the football field, 362 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: right behind quarterback. It's distant after quarterback, but it is 363 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: number two. But it's also one of the most volatile 364 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: year over year. You do not you rarely see cornerbacks 365 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: like a Durrell Reeves, Patrick Peterson, Jillen Ramsey have the 366 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: consistency from a production standpoint because and a lot of 367 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: this is because a bad play at cornerback is a touchdown, 368 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: a bad play at tackle is just a sack. And 369 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: I think you see that production, that volatility in those big, 370 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: big plays have a factor and really good cornerbacks dropping 371 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: year or whatever it may be. But again, stepping away 372 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: from the volatility of the position, the value of position 373 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: rings true. I think there are a ton of cornerbacks 374 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: in this class. There's also some cornerbacks on the free 375 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: agent market that the Bengals should be looking to grab 376 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: because your defense gets better with coverage you look at 377 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense they're playing in the Super Bowl. Big 378 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: question mark in the offseason is can their defense get better? 379 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: It was not because they added to the pass rush. 380 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: It was because guys like Tyronne Matthew, Juan Thornhill and 381 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: stepping up from Kendall Fuller that made this defense better, 382 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: made the quarterback hold the ball longer. And therefore now they're, 383 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, up there with a top sixteen defense going 384 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: into the Super Bowl with a really good offense. And 385 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: this is really interesting to me because when I asked 386 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: the question, where does the data show the Bengals need 387 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: to upgrade, you said cornerback. Cornerback, cornerback. Every Bengals fan 388 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: listening would have anticipated you would have said linebacker. Linebacker, linebacker. 389 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: So here here, I'll say it right now, off bowl. 390 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: Linebacker is not a valuable position on the football field. 391 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: It's not one of which that you need to fill 392 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: necessarily and ignore positional value, ignore you know the best 393 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: player available and fill that need largely because they don't 394 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: have as big of an impact on coverage and they 395 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: do not rush the passer. They are oftentimes picked on schematically, 396 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to you know, there are coverage linebackers in 397 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: the NFL that make a difference. One was Luke Keekley 398 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I know, a Cincinnati guy, and another one is now 399 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner. After that, it's a scrum. There are not 400 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: a ton of otball linebackers that really are difference makers, 401 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: and for that reason, trying to fill that need at 402 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: the top of day two would be horrendous. I mean, 403 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: it's close to the running back position from a positional 404 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: value standpoint. That's why having a good cornerback that doesn't 405 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: get beat deep is more important in my opinion than 406 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: outball linebacker. Fill that position in the later rounds. Fill 407 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: that position in free agency with bargain deals. Talking to 408 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: Austin Gayale, you mentioned free agency, so let's get to 409 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: that next. The Bengals have not historically gone after the 410 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: highest priced free agents. Maybe that changes this year. We'll see. 411 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: But are there any current free agents, especially mid level guys, 412 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: who could help. I think a name to keep an 413 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: eye on, and I know he's mulling retirement a bit, 414 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: but as Anthony Costanzo, he's played a lot of left 415 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: tackle in his career. But if he does not want 416 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: to hang up the cleats and he wants to play 417 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: right tackle, potentially for the Bengals. I think that's a 418 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: guy that could come at a relative bargain. He's not 419 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: going to ask for a long term deal, obviously, He's 420 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: a name that I like it As a free agent 421 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: in the offseason, I think it's hard not to bring 422 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: up the big name guys, the guys that will draw 423 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot of money. But if they can dig through 424 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: the couches and find enough money. Bringing Byron Jones of 425 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, that's a difference maker. At the cornerback position, 426 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: I think you're better off spending two at certain positions 427 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: like cornerback, Like offensive line, we see at PF filling 428 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: needs with rookies rarely pans out. The only position that 429 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: we see like rookies really excel at out of the 430 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: gate is running back. For obvious reasons, it's a position 431 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: that ages quickly. But offensive line you don't really get 432 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: plus production until year two, year three. You don't get 433 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: plus production from cornerbacks even sometimes receivers until those years 434 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: as well. So looking at free ancy to fill a 435 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: positions of need is more important than looking to fill 436 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: positions of need in the draft. So I think offensive line, 437 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe finding a tackle opposite of Jonah Williams and then 438 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: cornerback again. To dig through these guys. Anthony Harris to 439 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: eight in Minnesota. To pair him up with looks of 440 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: my name, I'm wake Forest guys. Second year Jesse Bates, 441 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. Yeah with Jesse Bates. Pair him up with 442 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. Invest in the defensive backs in best in 443 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: the offensive line if you can find them interior annex here. 444 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: All right, this has been excellent. Let's get to Sunday 445 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowl San Francisco, Kansas City. Who wins and why 446 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm going the Kansas City Chiefs. So I think the 447 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: better quarterbacks, the better passing offenses win in the postseason, 448 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: and that's really what we've seen. I think the San 449 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers are fantastic. We've seen them get 450 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: into a shootout with the New Orleans Saints and win. 451 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: But this Chiefs team goes up. They can go up quickly, 452 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and I don't think they let their foot off the 453 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: gas pedal. Look at this Houston Texans game. They come 454 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: back in that game, I think they're up twenty points 455 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: at a certain point, they continue to throw the football. 456 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: They continue to push down the field. Aggressiveness again, Aggressiveness 457 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: passing the football really wins in the postseason. I think 458 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: Andy Reid is calling masterfully down on the sideline. Patrick 459 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: Mahomes playing some of his best football of his career, 460 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey matches across the board. This forty 461 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: nine Ers team, if they get a lead, keeps this close. 462 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: But I think if Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs fine 463 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: way to go up fourteen, go up even ten early 464 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: in this game, and they keep the gas pedal down, 465 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: I think this Chiefs team wins pretty handily. I'm big 466 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: on the Chiefs. Wow. Now, I'm thinking San Francisco's running 467 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: game at least gives them a chance to keep Mahomes 468 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: off the field enough. He's still gonna throw three touchdown passes, 469 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: but maybe you can prevent him from throwing four or 470 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: five by holding onto the ball for thirty five minutes. No, 471 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: and I would agree with you. So the Chiefs have 472 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: the thirtieth ranked run defense and EPA per play their 473 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: thirty second against outside zone. The forty nine Ers are 474 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: licking their chops at this defense. However, you get Patrick 475 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: Mahomes the ball first and running the football though effective 476 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: takes time piece by piece, time of possession those things, 477 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: and with more opportunity comes randomness of turnovers and things 478 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: like that. You miss a play when a run heavy 479 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: offense and then Patrick Mahomes comes by a score seven 480 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: in two minutes. I think that's what makes things difficult 481 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: to lean on this run game. But again, San Francisco's 482 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: in this game for a reason, and they've been able 483 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: to dominate the trenches all year long offensively and defensively. 484 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: It's up to Kansas City again. The way they win 485 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: this game is score early. They don't. I think San 486 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: Francisco can really keep that, you know, push down on 487 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: them and run through them and win this game. This 488 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: has been awesome. I can't thank you enough. 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Hi. 504 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: Thanks to Austin and you can follow him on Twitter 505 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: at PF Underscore Austin Gail. Again, that's PF Underscore Austin 506 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: Gail and he spells his last name g A y 507 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: l E. In celebration of the NFL's one hundredth season, 508 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: the league unveiled an all time team, and two Bengals 509 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: were selected. Paul Brown was one of ten head coaches, 510 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: and Anthony Munio's was among the one hundred players selected. 511 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: Anthony is widely considered to be the greatest offensive lineman 512 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: in pro football history. He was an eleven time Pro Bowler, 513 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: the starting left tackle on both of the Bengal Super 514 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Bowl teams, and a first ballot Hall of Famer. Perhaps 515 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: you knew all of that, but in this fun facts 516 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: conversation you might learn something new about the greatest player 517 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: enfranchise history. Time for some fantastic fun facts with Hall 518 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: of Famer Anthony Munos, and let's start with something fun 519 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: for this one. Do you have the gold Hall of 520 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: Fame jacket at home? Or do they keep those in 521 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: a closet in Canton? It is in my closet at home, 522 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: so yes, I have it hanging with all my other 523 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: sport coats in the suits in my closets, so I 524 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: have control of it. Do you ever let anybody try 525 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: that on? Or is that a strict no. No? I 526 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: have not actually let anybody try. Nobody's asked, so I 527 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: haven't been faced with saying no to anybody. All right, 528 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: let's turn the clock back a little bit. There's a 529 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: picture of you on the internet as a twelve year 530 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: old little leaguer and you are about a foot taller 531 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: than your teammates. You're as tall as your coach. Were 532 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: you comfortable being the biggest kid or were you self 533 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: conscious about your size? Well? I think my family really 534 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: made it comfortable for me. I mean, there's kids are kids. 535 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: So you know, kids are gonna say things when they 536 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: see your feet twice as big as there's. But for 537 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: the most part, I'd have to say I was pretty comfortable. 538 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny you mentioned that Little League picture. 539 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: My mom actually had to sew some extra material so 540 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: I could keep my jersey tuched in. But yeah, it 541 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: was you know, I thought it was kind of cool 542 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: at times. Most of the times, I really thought it 543 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: was nice that I was large because my friends, my 544 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: really close friends, really it didn't matter that I was, 545 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, head taller than them. They they accepted me 546 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: just as a friend. We're doing fund Facts with Anthony Munio. 547 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: Is Is it true though, that you were too big 548 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: to play youth football as a kid. I was. I 549 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: would have never met the you know, the height and 550 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: weight restriction, so I never really tried because I knew 551 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be able to. So really, baseball is 552 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: my first love, and you know the extent of my 553 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: football playing days before I started playing organized which was 554 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: flag football, was just on our home field and that 555 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: was the street in front of our house. Yeah, so 556 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where you know, I 557 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: heard that I really couldn't because of my size, so 558 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: I really didn't make that attempt to go play. You 559 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: mentioned baseball. You went to USC, and some people might 560 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: not realize that you were a pitcher. I'm in nineteen 561 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: seventy eighteen to one a national championship for the College 562 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: World Series. You strike me as a closer. How are 563 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: you used and what did you throw? I didn't play 564 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: my freshman year because of injuries, so that was actually 565 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: my sophomore year at school there. Because it was my 566 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: first year, a lot of I'm going to admit, you know, 567 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't have an ego. It was mop up jobs, 568 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: and you know, so I got one win. I got 569 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: to pitch about eleven innings that year. The year, as 570 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned, we won the World Series and we had 571 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: four guys that were in double figure wins that year, so, 572 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: you know the I was thrilled to get that many 573 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: innings that year. Anthony, your college football career was severely 574 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: limited in terms of games played by knee injuries. You 575 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: had three surgical procedures on your knees at USC. Did 576 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: you ever think this football thing just isn't meant to be? 577 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: You know what, I really didn't even that third knee operation. 578 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm laying in the bed the day after that operation, 579 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: and I'm doing a live interview in fact, with the 580 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: NBC and it was Bryant Gumbel, and he asked me 581 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: that same question the day after my third knee operation, 582 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: when is it enough? When are you going to give 583 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: it up? And even then I said, I still have 584 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: the passionate desire to come back at least one more time, 585 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: because I wanted to play in the Rose Bowl. I 586 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: hadn't played in. We played in two up to that time, 587 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: and I hadn't played in one, So it really never 588 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: entered my mind that, man, this is crazy, it's my 589 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: third one. Let's find something else to do. I was 590 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: determined to come back and just give it one more shot. 591 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: You succeeded. You came back and played in that Rose Bowl, 592 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: and that was one of the reasons why the Bengals 593 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: were willing to take you with a third pick in 594 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty draft. But just to make sure your 595 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: knee was okay, they sent Forrest Greg out to work 596 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: you out. Describe what happened. Well, anybody that followed the NFL, 597 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: especially the Green Bay Packers, knows about Forest Gregg. I mean, 598 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: he was an All Pro guard and tackle Hall of 599 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Fame offensive tackle. I knew at the time Vince Lombardi's 600 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: last book, he said that Forrest was the finest player 601 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: he ever coached. Now here's a guy coming to work 602 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: me out at Hall of Fame Tackle. He wants to 603 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: see you know where I am physically after that third 604 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: knee operation and playing that game. So I was gonna 605 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: go one hundred percent on everything he asked me to do. 606 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: And it was for about an hour and a half 607 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: and he was putting me through, I mean, a great workout. 608 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: And finally at the end he said, he goes, Okay, 609 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a few moves as a defensive end. 610 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: You just react. So I said, man, you know, I 611 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: gotta watch the fakes. Because he was early forties and 612 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: still capable of moving a little bit. He actually faked 613 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: outside and started and darted inside, and of course I 614 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: took that step out and came back in. And one 615 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: of the things that I did learn at usc cutting 616 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: Edge with Hudson, how we used our hands a lot 617 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: run blocking, pass blocking, So the punch was very instrumental 618 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: in our technique. Didn't have a whole lot of game 619 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: experience with it, but a lot of camp experience. And 620 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: he went inside and I planted both hands, I mean 621 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: just perfectly into his chest and I extended and as 622 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: he went down, my heart just dropped. He literally hit 623 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: the ground and the back of his head kind of 624 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: hit first, and I stood over him and I apologized 625 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: and I extended my hand and he basically looked up 626 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: and he kind of chuckled and said, no problem, that's 627 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: all right, and I said, man, thank you. And you know, 628 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I needed to 629 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: show them that I could still, you know, move, and 630 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: then I was coming. I'd come back completely from that 631 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: third knee operation. We're doing fun facts with Anthony. Munio's 632 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: most offensive linemen don't have career stats, but you had 633 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: seven catches with the Bengals, including four for touchdowns. Do 634 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: you remember when the coaches first decided to put in 635 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: a passing play for you? I sure do. In fact, 636 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: we had a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback, 637 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: and Sam Weiss's first year, we started to put extra 638 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: linemen in and two big linemen at tight end, shortyards, 639 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: goal line, and of course our goal line with the 640 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: big guys. It was called the web formation because we 641 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: be scorned when we get in that formation. And you know, 642 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: I gotta go back a little bit and really give 643 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the person the credit that deserves the credit for me 644 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: catching those passes. Because on Monday, after our run, our 645 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: left and viewing. The old lineman would stay after and 646 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: we would have our fatman football game and uh, of 647 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: course my quarterback. All the time, it was the old 648 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: guys against the young guys with Max Montoya so and 649 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: we would play right outside of the coaches windows. You know, 650 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: on that it's old spinny field, and you know, Max 651 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: and I would have fun taking those young linemen apart, 652 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, with our you know Montoya Demuno's connection. But 653 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: it was, you know, Sam's rookie year, and he started 654 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: putting in not only putting big guys at the tight end, 655 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: but all of a sudden saying, okay, we're gonna start 656 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: running some pass plays. And that first catch, if I 657 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: remember correctly, I was a primary receiver and we had 658 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: to score to take in an overtime. I'm thinking, this 659 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: is crazy. This guy isn't gonna last long in the 660 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: NFL coaching like that. But you know, Kenny Anderson was hurting. 661 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: We had a you know, big left hand or a 662 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: rookie at quarterback, and I mean I remember it like 663 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: it was yesterday. And in fact, you know, part of 664 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: the play was you know, fake halfback bounds twenty eight 665 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: pass or something like that, where I hit my guy 666 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: and go. And so I mean he made it fun 667 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: because after that, every week we had a play in 668 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: where I was gonna, you know, go out for a pass. 669 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: Not that we ran it every time, but I did 670 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: get a chance to catch four touchdowns. I assume this 671 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: did not happen from catching the football, but you have 672 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: a messed up little finger that points sideways. Did it 673 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: happen in a specific incident or just the wear and 674 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: tear of all those years on the old line. It's 675 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: just over the years, you know it happened, and you just, 676 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, every week you just tape your I take 677 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: my fingers up, and then all of a sudden, I retired, 678 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: and you know, you kind of reassess your hands and 679 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: your fingers and you look and you, oh, my goodness, 680 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: it's not going the way it started out when I 681 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: first got in the NFL. But you know, because everything 682 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: we did was with our hands, and you know, run blocking, 683 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: you're punching, and guys are coming to him pass block 684 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and you're trying to punch them. So you're hitting face masks, 685 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: you're hitting shoulder pads or hitting hitting just about everything. 686 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: So it happened from the years and years, and I 687 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: know a lot of people ask me, was it one 688 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: specific play, was it one specific game? And with that pink, 689 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: you know it was an accumulation, all right. A couple 690 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: more fun facts with Anthony Munos. If you look at 691 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: the cast of the nineteen eighty three movie The Right 692 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: Stuff about the Mercury seven Astronauts, it includes Scott Glen, 693 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: Ed Harris, Dennis Quaid, and Anthony Munios as Gonzalez. How 694 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: did that happen? That? It was a funny Super Bowl sixteen? 695 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: I had my right after the game. I had my 696 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: elbow cleaned out, my right elbow. I had some bone 697 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: spurs and the doctor that cleaned it out was the 698 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: same doctor who did all three of my knee operations 699 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: in college. He was the orthopedic surgeon for the Raiders. 700 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: Raiders located in Oakland, but his office was in Beverly Hills, 701 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: and he was known as the orthopedic surgeon for the 702 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: movie stars, and we had a blast because I would 703 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: go in on you know, I saw him a lot 704 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: in three years, and you know, I got to listen 705 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: to the Gobor sister on the phone when we're in 706 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: the examining room as he was talking to him, got 707 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: to meet Sylvester Stallone and Bubba Smith. Smith was actually 708 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: in their former you know, NFL football player and my 709 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: final examination with my elbow that year. We used to 710 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: call him crazy Doc because he was a little on 711 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: the edge. He said, Anthony, I might have something for them, Doc, 712 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: what you have? He said, Doc. Rosenfeld said, I got 713 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: two really good friends and they're getting ready to make 714 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: a movie and they might have a part for you. 715 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: And I said, Doc, I've never acted, I mean, you know. 716 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: He says, no, really. He goes and he gave me 717 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: their numbers. And at that time I didn't know who 718 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: or when Winkler and Bob shard Off were, you know. 719 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: So he goes, go here, they want to see you. 720 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: So I go to their office and I'm walking in. 721 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: There's Raging bullposters and Rocky posters and all these big 722 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: time movies. But I walk into the conference room and 723 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: they're sitting there. They each have a script and there's 724 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: an extra script. So I asked me to read a 725 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: couple of lines and I did that and they said 726 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: thank you, and I left. About a month goes by 727 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: and I figured I blew that one. I didn't get 728 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: the part. So it was a Tuesday morning. I get 729 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: a phone call and it's the casting director for the 730 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: movie and they said, can you be in San Francisco 731 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: on Saturday morning? We're starting to film the movie. And 732 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: so I got the part and they said nobody called 733 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: you and I said no. They said you are a 734 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: member of SAG, right, and I said no. They said 735 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: I'll call you right back. So a few minutes later 736 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: do they call back and they said, we need you 737 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: to show up at this, you know, the SAG office 738 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: Thursday morning. Certain time, you pay initiation fee, fill out 739 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: an application you'd be a SAG member. And then he 740 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: says you want the part, and I said, oh, you bet. 741 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: So I went and filled it out. I became a 742 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: SAG member in DD and I and Michael flip to 743 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: San Francisco for a week and it was a blast. 744 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: I tell you what. I didn't realize how big the 745 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: movie was at the time. But I got to interact 746 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: with Ed Harris and Scott Glenn and all the guys, 747 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, going back and forth, and of course got 748 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: to meet a lot of the other actors and actresses 749 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: that would film at the desert for the desert scenes. 750 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: And but if you remember, I did have long hair 751 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: coming to Cincinnati, and that was my second year. I 752 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: didn't completely have it cut down. So I show up 753 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: on the set and they said, well, you got to 754 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: go see you know, the costume and you know, makeup 755 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: and stuff. And I'm thinking, you gotta be kidding. I 756 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: sit down and they draped the big sheet on me, 757 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: and they pull out the clippers and they started up, 758 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh my goodness, this movie took place 759 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: like a long time. I'm a good Man's short and 760 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: she just started going and I'm thinking, oh, well, but 761 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, it was worth it. So I had a 762 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: pretty short haircut in the movie. But it was fun, 763 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: all right, final fun factor, Anthony Munios and I really 764 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Ted Williams famously said, when I walked 765 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: down the street, I want people to go, there goes 766 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: the best hitter that ever lived. You are frequently referred 767 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: to as the greatest offensive lineman that's ever played this game. 768 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: When you hear that, how does it make you feel? Well? 769 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: It still makes me pinch myself. It's still very humbling. 770 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: And you know, when I hear that, it's like, man, 771 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: how great is that? I wouldn't mind just being mentioned 772 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: with you know, the forest graves and the art shells 773 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: and the Jim Parkers. But when I hear that, it's 774 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: it's amazing because of what we just talked about in 775 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: my college career and people had said I'd never play 776 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: again after that Rose Bowl. People said that there's no 777 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: way I would last this season, and the fact that 778 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 1: I played thirteen years and didn't miss a game of 779 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: my eleventh year, and to have people say that, it's humbling, 780 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: but it's I mean, it really goes to show that 781 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: if if you don't listen to the naysayers and you 782 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: still have a passionate design in your heart and you 783 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: just bust your tail, that's good things happen. That's going 784 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: to do it for this episode of the podcast. If 785 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: you haven't done so already, don't forget to subscribe wherever 786 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, and if you have a minute, 787 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: give it a rating, or share a comment. Five star 788 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: ratings help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan 789 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: Horde and thank you for listening to the Bengals Booth 790 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: podcast