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Speaker 1: what's up everybody? You're listening to Stir Radio Lab. I

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Speaker 1: just had an instinct to say, um, was that. Wow?

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Speaker 1: You know where did that come from? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think you're really letting your hair down. Sometimes sometimes

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Speaker 1: you're totally right. But that was that area of life

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Speaker 1: But then the other songs that you're talking about are

425
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: like it's like now she's a pop star and she's

426
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: her authentic. But also, of course you can read the

427
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: movie in a different way where it's like if you're

428
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: reading it in like a camp way, then even the

429
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: authentic song is like a commentary on the idea of

430
00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: an authentic like country rocks. Honestly, I just want to

431
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: see the part where he pieced himself on stage, and

432
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: I've heard about it and I'm curious. I think you

433
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: should see it. I think it would listen. I watched

434
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 1: the movie twice, Like I'm not I'm not saying it's

435
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: a bad movie. I just I'm like, I was suffocated

436
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: by that press cycle. I forgot how this came up. Oh, also,

437
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: my relationships Lady Gaga. Is that in twenty twenty? When

438
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: did she tour? When it was like the woman that

439
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: like the milk woman who threw up colors? Wait have

440
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: you heard us talking about it? The milk Lady? I

441
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: don't know, but what what she there? Was like a year?

442
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: This is like is the vomit Artist? Oh my gosh?

443
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: Really okay, yes, it's like we've talked about it multiple times.

444
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: I saw a live I was living in DC, and

445
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: my friend, through her work randomly was like, hey, I

446
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 1: got fifty dollar tickets to like the nosebleed seats of

447
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: a Lady Gaga concert and um and the Verizon Center,

448
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: which is just like a big, well like sports stadium.

449
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: So I watched the Lady Gaga concert like the actual

450
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: highest and I had such I think until that point

451
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: didn't have that much of a relationship to Lady Gaga.

452
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: But I've really had so much fun because my friend

453
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: and I were like dancing when guy was asleep near us,

454
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: like having a lot of fun up in the nose

455
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: lead And anyway, I saw the vomit Artist, but like

456
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: from really a far that is crazy to be talking

457
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: to someone who was there treated vomit artist like I

458
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: actually didn't know this was possible. This is like, yeah,

459
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm having the experience right now where I'm like processing

460
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: the concept of the vomit artist as though for the

461
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: first time and like being excited about it all over again,

462
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: just like thinking about the phrase vomit artists and Lady

463
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 1: Gaga being like I love that. I know she was

464
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: exactly like the idea that She's like, oh, this is

465
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: this is art. This is the verse. Like what did

466
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: you say, are pope? The colors are very poppy of

467
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: her vomit they were like pink and stuff. Yeah, for sure.

468
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: Is I'm like, I'm to like take you back into

469
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: the curtains of my memory. It's like we're so high

470
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: that it was like there was like a JumboTron, but

471
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: also then this like thing was like playing out on

472
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: stage like really small. But so anyway, I saw it

473
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: in like two lensis the vomit artist part. But anyway,

474
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: that's my relationship to Lady Gaga. It was really fun. Well,

475
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: you're in the right place if your relationship boils down

476
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: to the vomit artist era, I have to say, Okay,

477
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: thank you. I feel I feel welcome through that. Um,

478
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: should we do our first segment literally yes, okay. I

479
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: think you know now that we have gotten the heat

480
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: check of everyone's relationship with Lady Gaga, both in the past, present,

481
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: and potentially future, I think it's time to our first segment,

482
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: which is called straight Shooters. In it, we ask you

483
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: a series of rapid fire questions to gauge your familiarity

484
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: and complicity in straight culture basically this thing or other things,

485
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: and if you ask any follow up questions, we will

486
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: get piste off. Um, George, do you want to start? Sure? Um? Okay?

487
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: Skate or die skate? Okay? H m you meaning hair

488
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: and makeup or hmu meaning hit me up, absolutely, hit

489
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: me up. Okay, beware of bear or I'll have it

490
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: medium rare. I'll have it medium rare. X men or

491
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: twenty century women? Who nice? Oh god, I think honestly,

492
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: X men, there's so much women is so rich, There's

493
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: so much. There's so much there, like even like what

494
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: does a twenty century woman mean? Like in real life

495
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: and are also in a super hero movie context, like

496
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: the idea that there could be a superhero called twentieth

497
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: century woman. I think there, I know, it feels like

498
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: there already is one. But that's like how well that resonates?

499
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: That's hard and maybe that's like I'm being like internalized massage.

500
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: But my responses x men, No, no, I got that.

501
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: Um okay, throwing like a girl or moving like a

502
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: butterfly and stinging like a bee. Okay, um, moving like

503
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: a butterfly, stinging like a beet? Wow? Okay. Stewart little

504
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: or Little Richard, Oh, little Richard, the French, the French Dispatch,

505
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: the Italian job or the Great British bake Off. Oh,

506
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: this is really hard, but I'm gonna go. I've been

507
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: like really drawn to the French dispatch ads in the train,

508
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: and I've been watching the British Bakeoff. But I'm gonna

509
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: go here with the French Dispatch. After a lot of deliberations, okay,

510
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: referring to balls as nuts or referring to breasts as coconuts,

511
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wow, Okay, Okay, So the first, the

512
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: first I've heard a lot, and a second. I don't

513
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: know I released on a reference to me, but I'm

514
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: like that it was I was pulling, I guess from

515
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: a if I can give some backstory, there's a new

516
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: Kim Petras song where she's like talking about her coconuts,

517
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: and that's like the chorus, and it's like, God, that's perfect.

518
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait to listen. Also, there's something really like

519
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: fifties Americana about like a hula woman with coconut bra

520
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with coconuts here. Well, I love that.

521
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, referring to breast as coconuts is one of

522
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: the most beautiful things I've ever heard in my entire life,

523
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: like kind of like gives you a splinter to touch

524
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: the outside of it, you know. Yeah, it's actually really beautiful,

525
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, lactates right, sure, Yeah, that's true. I

526
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: think about that. Yeah, and it's dairy free. It can

527
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: con cuss you if it falls on your head. Yeah, powerful.

528
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't apply to maybe a vacation. It's that's right.

529
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean coconuts, Like, no matter if you like the

530
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: fruit or not, there's something just it's pure vacation. It's vacation.

531
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: Savery or sweet, it's vacation. It's a savory or sweet,

532
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: it's vacation. Um. Yeah, interesting. Well I think we crushed it.

533
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: I think you crushed it. Yeah, I'm gonna give you

534
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: seven and sixty four doubs goodness, thanks for your support.

535
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: And I also would just have to say, and I

536
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: think we all often comment on the energy of the

537
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: guests during that segment, and I really feel like you

538
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: were giving thoughtful responses. Yeah. I also think like since

539
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: you've started speaking, you've been so in the exact right zone.

540
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I feel the most comfortable I can possibly feel with

541
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: a guest. It doesn't feel forced. I can finally relax

542
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: for the first time this entire month. So I have

543
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: a lot of reactions to that, which you're like. First

544
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: of all, I was really like trying not to think

545
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: about my responses too much, and I was like scared

546
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: of doing that. Second of all, is that I feel

547
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: comfortable with both of you and George, I just went

548
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: you yesterday, that's right. I think that's the first time

549
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: that it is crazy I do. I mean, I've seen

550
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: you perform before, like I you know, I I know likewise,

551
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: we of course know of one another, we're both very famous.

552
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: But but I do think last night, Yeah, we met

553
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: at a birthday party last night, and we like it

554
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: was just like a classic like you meet some in

555
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: you and you're both you know, you're both like a

556
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: couple of drinks in and we're just like having a

557
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: nice conversation and Dar I say, I think we were

558
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: in the same zone last night. I agree. I agree,

559
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: because neither of us was. We were both kind of

560
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: having a conservative night where I was not like drunk

561
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: or anything. I feel a little bit hungover, but I

562
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: think it's just because I didn't like hydrate or properly eat,

563
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: which is like and I should learn at three. But like,

564
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: but I didn't really get like drunk, and there's a

565
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: moment that I kind of wished I was. But you

566
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: know how like the way the alcohol metabolizes where it's

567
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: like if you like have three drinks over like like

568
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: two hours, it's just not it's just not going to

569
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: work for you tonight, honey. You know, I know it's

570
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: going to be a chill night. I'm really going through

571
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: my responsible drinking era. That's nice. That is nice, and

572
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: it's been very nice to not have a hangover. Is like,

573
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I just quordered from Fresh Direct, nonalcoholic beer, and I'm

574
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: just going to have that with my meals every day.

575
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: I've never had I do. I actually really like it.

576
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: I went I went to another birthday party this week

577
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: where there was alcoholic No, nothen alcoholic brute like kaba,

578
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just but yeah, or like juice

579
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but I you know, I I always say

580
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm in my responsible era, and I'm like, well, no,

581
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: that was just a Thursday. Yeah that's fair. I've just

582
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: been like into this is so boring. But I've just

583
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: been into like into nonalcoholic options, like to order soda

584
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: with bitters is like it's so delicious, it's but it's

585
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: not like the artificiality of a soda. It feels like

586
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: you're drinking something. I mean, can I tell you something

587
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: that I recently like? I like, my parents are pretty

588
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: strict when I was a little about like, um, what's

589
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: called like process sugar, Like they're cut, they're pretty like

590
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: health nuts. So we didn't really episode in our house

591
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: but then like at all, but it was something I

592
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: enjoyed at birthday parties. And I recently, in my adull

593
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: life got a dr pepper with a slice of pizza

594
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, oh yeah, this is good.

595
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: A bit too sweet, ultimately, a bit too sweet, like

596
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: I would love like a shot of soda, Like yeah, yeah,

597
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: I agree. I also have been I've talked about this before,

598
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: but I've been literally going to movies just so I

599
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: can have a diet coke. Would go to a bad movie.

600
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: So wholesome. I love that is so wholesome. It's so

601
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: like like mom energy, like a great way. Well, because

602
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: there's something about the not to overuse the word liminal,

603
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: because I know people do that a lot, but like

604
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: there's something about like the liminal space of a movie

605
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: theater where it's like it doesn't count, like yeah, I

606
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: can have a whole thing of Reese's pieces. Yeah yeah, yeah,

607
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: it's dark, no one can see, like airports and like yes, exactly,

608
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: some kind of cinnamon roll or like a pop like

609
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, like there's something about enjoying us like or

610
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: like a shitty chain taco at an airport is like

611
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: really good. Or like in Japan, randomly, it's really popular

612
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: to get the pizza at Costco or hot dogs at Costco,

613
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: like the meatballs that a kea right, that's like a wait,

614
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: is there Costco in Japan? Yeah? There are, and it's

615
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: really popular. Did you grow up in Japan? Yeah? And

616
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: so that's just why that came to mind, because people

617
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: get really excited about going to Costco in Japan. Wait

618
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: that's I had no idea there was Costco in Japan's

619
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: right now? Said yeah from what I remember from when

620
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: I was in eighth grade, so that was like two thousand,

621
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: like one, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, Wow, now I

622
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: want to go to Japan. Let's go in Costco. Let's go.

623
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: Let's do alive show at the Costco in Tokyo. Yeah,

624
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: someone has to get a membership, but you know, I

625
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: forget about. I tried to use the bathroom at a Costco.

626
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me in. It was this like really

627
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: old woman at the door, like checking cards, and I

628
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I just need to use the bathroom,

629
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: and she was like no, and I was like, oh wait, no,

630
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: that feels really restrictive. Wait did you go in just

631
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: to use the bathroom? Okay, So here's we were on.

632
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: We were on a road trip and we needed a

633
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: bathroom and we were like kind of in a dead

634
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: zone and I was like, oh, well, there's a gas

635
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: station over here. And then it turned out it was

636
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: a Costco gas station that you can only use a

637
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: costmo part, and then there was a whole Costco attached

638
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: to it, and so I was like, well, you know,

639
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: we we've like left the highway, So I'll just see

640
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: if i can run in there and use the bathroom.

641
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll let me. Capitalism boots. I truly was

642
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: like I'm going to pee on your store, Like I'm

643
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: going to be just on the ground because I don't

644
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: know what else to do. That's crazy, maybe so mad

645
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: is there like a planned outside Like I feel like, huh,

646
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: it feels really when a big company is like, no,

647
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: you can't use our bathroom. I do feel like it's

648
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: like the darkest part of civilization. You're You're so right,

649
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: that's like yes, it's literally like it rivals like how

650
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: bad health care is like to be like, oh you

651
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: you need to poop. That's private. It's like you're gonna

652
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: have to find You're gonna have to like pretty much

653
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: go funk yourself. I feel like that's like the premise

654
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: for like some kind of like Scandinavian dystopian movie. It's like, right, yeah,

655
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: all Scandinavian decipi movies are like what if it was

656
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: America New York present day? Um wait, okay, not to restist,

657
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: but I want to get into the topic because I

658
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: feel like it's such a ridge topic. Okay? Is that okay? Sam?

659
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful. We're just okay, Brittany. I want

660
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: you to introduce your topic and then maybe say a

661
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: little bit about why you chose it and why it's straight. Sure,

662
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: So my topic is apples, the fruit apples. Apples are

663
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: straight to me because well, for a number of reasons,

664
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: there's something the most sort of like Mr Roll or

665
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: like vague one is that there's something really normative about apples.

666
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: And then I was thinking about it more and I

667
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: was like everything that kind of surrounds apples, and like

668
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: apple dumb is just pretty like okay, for example, imagining

669
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: like a mom and a dad giving their kid apple

670
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: slices and a zip block, Like that's really straight. And

671
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: then and apples are the center of that and like

672
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: or like going up state to an orchard or like

673
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: harvest or like autumn in general. Right, and then like

674
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: apple sauce, like a little mots packet um, there's like

675
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: a biblical element. Hadn't even though that's the first thing

676
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: I thought of you, right, Okay, And that's like maybe

677
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: the tenth thing, Like I was like, oh, yeah, that

678
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: whole that whole bag. Yeah, And in maybe this will

679
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: come up later, like the inverses like, so what then

680
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: what apples what fruit are? Like oh okay, I'm gonna

681
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: get to that point later. My last point here is

682
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: like you know how like there's so many varieties of apples,

683
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: Like I even in preparation was like like typed in

684
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: apples go. I love when of the guests researches and

685
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: the first thing that came up was like an Amazon

686
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: poster that said, like like a poster available at Amazon

687
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: dot com that was like Northeastern apple varieties, like apples

688
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: of like Northeastern America. And it's like there's there's like

689
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: thirty apples and so there's a bunch of variety right

690
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: like in like flesh texture and color and like the skin.

691
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: But the thing is like no one cares. It's all yes, yes,

692
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: this is like everything I wanted to say. You're saying yeah, okay, okay,

693
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: So that's my Yeah, that's my like okay, yeah they're there.

694
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: That's my jumping off point. I've left the diving board. Yeah.

695
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: I think that's so genius. I think what really speaks

696
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: to me is calling an apple normative is so funny

697
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: because it just is it is it is the nuclear family,

698
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: it is school. I just this is like I'm like

699
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: in cloud nine right now, I'm like leaving my body

700
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: because never before has a topic. The idea of that

701
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: apple is being straight stretches to like all parts of history, mythology,

702
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: like religion, like and there's things we haven't even mentioned yet,

703
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: for instance, the apple being like the gift you give

704
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: to a teacher or like or like apple pie being

705
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: the quintessential American symbol, like American is apple pie like

706
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: or even honestly Apple the company being like the most

707
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: hegemonic power in the entire world, and it's like named Macintosh.

708
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: And then also the thing that apple is named after

709
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: is like the apple falling on mutant's head, and that's

710
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: like West, you know, that's like science, that's like stem

711
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: apples are stem. And I also feel like that little okay,

712
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's so much to respond to, Like

713
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: first of all, the apple falling in her head, like

714
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: that idea whether it's like a pocapon and I I

715
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's like the idea of like Newton

716
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: thought about gravity like in our like historical memory, because

717
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: an alp will fall in his head like that is

718
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: like that itself is like really straight, Like that's like

719
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: the straightest entry into like popular science and understanding and

720
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: that is like about app bowls and the other thing.

721
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: That's really I'm like blown away by this because one

722
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: topic that I was thinking of but I didn't end

723
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: up pitching it to you guys, was like McIntosh as

724
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: a concept, but I didn't even process like that is

725
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: app Like I didn't make that connection, but it is,

726
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: and it was like innate, it was subconscious. I feel

727
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: like like this is like almost scary, like we're seeing

728
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: something we're not supposed to be seen. It's like it's like,

729
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to think of like what a

730
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: what a good you know movie or book that has

731
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: this plot is But when you suddenly realized like the

732
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: one person was in all three of the locations and

733
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: like it's clearly like they're guilty. Like that's how It's

734
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: like I'm kind of I'm unnerved, and I'm also like

735
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: really excited. It's just like no matter what the lenses, like, okay,

736
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: you can view it as like um through a narrow lens,

737
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: like okay, apples are basic because apple picking and fall

738
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: or you can view it through like a giant lens,

739
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: and it's like apples were the original symbol of sinning,

740
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: which was heterosexual sex. Like no matter what lens you

741
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: view it through, like the apples are there, I've got one, Okay, okay,

742
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: Johnny apple seed. Yes, yeah, that's so straight. I mean

743
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: colonizing the damn plants, spreading these apple trees everywhere. Yeah,

744
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: something totally like the idea of like seeds and like

745
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: how mass produced apples are for like different reasons. What

746
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: else I really responsible to what you're saying about how

747
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: and and that's like I thought that was going to

748
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: be like my crazy point is like how there are

749
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: so many kinds of apples but no one cares. Like

750
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: that is the perfect encapsulation of like straight like basically

751
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: like the false promise of consumer options. Like I used

752
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: to be a member of a food co op and

753
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: there were like truly like nine different kinds of apples

754
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: and they all had like giant signs that were like

755
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: excited about what kind they were, and it's like they're

756
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: all just apple. They're all just apples. And like even

757
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: if you go to like yeah, yeah, I get that

758
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: feeling too, even if it's like you go into like

759
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: you like descend into the produce section of the Whole

760
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: Foods and there's like different especially now right this season,

761
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: and they're all kind of like marketed at you. They're

762
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: like this or like you know how Trader Joe's is

763
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: like really horny about their like fruit. It's like this

764
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: guy is fuzzy and like and sweet, you know what

765
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking. But I feel like something about like yeah,

766
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: like that's how apples are often presented. But it's like, okay,

767
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: they're all apples, and wait, um, should I have another

768
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: saw it? Okay? Actually in my mind is jumping all

769
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: over the place this idea. I feel like we're not

770
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: ready for it. But the idea in the inverse like

771
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: what is a not straight fruit? But I think we're

772
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: not there yet. I think, yeah, there's more in the apple.

773
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: We need to get to the bottom of apple first,

774
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: but I can think of non straight first. Okay, but

775
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: even like, sorry, go ahead, okay another one. I'm like

776
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: just thinking apple thing. Having an Adams Apple whoa you

777
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: know who you know? Came to my brain is Adam Driver.

778
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: Adam Driver hasn't Adam's apple pronounced one? And it's like, yeah,

779
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: that is like we were talking about him, like yeah,

780
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: basically that's problematic anyway, So like yeah, right, Adam driver

781
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: his his Adam's apple for example, like that itself, why

782
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: is that even Oh because it got caught The idea

783
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: is that it got caught it atam throat. Yeah, it's

784
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: all it goes back to the Bible. Um, but but

785
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: it's just it goes to show you know, my curtain

786
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: temporary masculinity is like you know, it goes back to

787
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: the like it all goes back to Adam, right, and

788
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: like okay, so also oh, like um, you know how

789
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: if you think about it, like we already talked about

790
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: how it's kind of related to school, but if you

791
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: think about like let's think about like a first grade

792
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: math worksheet where there's like little pictures. It's like three

793
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: pictures of apples, and that's like elementary like like introducing

794
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: kids to like placing number value. Yes. Also, don't you

795
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: feel like with the alphabet it's always a for apple always,

796
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're looking at a worksheet that's

797
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: like a poster in a in a classroom that has

798
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: a thing for each letter, it's always a for apple.

799
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like the only other times it's an apple,

800
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: it's like ard mark, which feels more queer, but that's

801
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: work is of course queer. This is what is this?

802
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Is this like the number twenty three or something like,

803
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. It's like drying apples

804
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: all over. You're like, it's an apple. It's the apple.

805
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: I just like, yeah, you're drawing apples on the wall.

806
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Like my hands are kind of sweaty right now, and

807
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: I think it's because of this. Like I'm like, my

808
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: heart is kind of beating as I think about it. Well, yeah,

809
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: it's almost I almost like we can't think about this

810
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: too much because if we uncover something, we're not like

811
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: like we're gonna cover like the secret of the world,

812
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: and then it's like there will be no mystery left.

813
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: I do want to get literal for one second. How

814
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: do we feel about cider? Oh? I was just thinking

815
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: about apple cider donuts, which I don't really understand, Like

816
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: I don't okay, I feel like there's a whole thing

817
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: about apple cider donuts. It's like, oh, it's fault to

818
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Farmer's Market and get one. And I kind of like

819
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: this is just kind of like, is it a donut

820
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: that's made with apple cider, or is it it's like

821
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: to be apple cider. It's like they are very good. Yeah,

822
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: then that's what else is good normal donuts. Yeah, like

823
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: all other flavors. But I love a seasonal tree and

824
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: the scarcity of it makes it feel important. Cider, it's

825
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: like alcoholic one like or like I just both Like

826
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm like cider for sure. Not alcoholic cider is definitely

827
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: just like part of the fall agenda of like apple picking, cider,

828
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: leaf leaves, etcetera. Um. Alcoholic cider is interesting because actually,

829
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: compared to beer, it is less straight. I think so

830
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: as an option, Yeah, it is less straight. Yeah, use

831
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: that because I guess of the like, because beer is

832
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: so overpoweringly straight that, like any alternative is less straight. Yeah, okay,

833
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: that's what it's also seen as maybe, I would say

834
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: in some cultures, like I feel like a cider compared

835
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: to a beer, and even compared to wine is seen

836
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: as like artsy. It's like yeah, or what's unexpected? It's like, okay,

837
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: we get it. You have an m f A if

838
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: someone yeah, and can I tell you a memory? I have?

839
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: Was like maybe, right, it was like the Fallowbiper for COVID.

840
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: I was in Portland, Oregon with my mom and we

841
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: went to like we into an Apple's. We went to

842
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: like a cider what do you call what's it called?

843
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Like a brewery, but it was like cider and everything

844
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: about it, like every person in there looked the same,

845
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: like everyone was wearing I'm wearing red plot right now,

846
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: but like you know, it was like all these guys

847
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: with beards that had red plaid and I couldn't tell

848
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: whether it felt like in retrospect and like I don't

849
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: even know if that experience felt straight or like somewhere

850
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: else along the spectrum. But I think it's like cider

851
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: really complicates the topic. Cider compregates the topic. There's one

852
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: other thing that complicates that, which like we can't get into,

853
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: and that's Fiona Apple. That's that's interesting, that's really and

854
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: that just really complicated. Actually, it complicates it quite a bit.

855
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: You can go on multiple direct um huh oh man,

856
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: apple cider is there are always exceptions and that's okay.

857
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: Like apple cider can be a little bit gay, like

858
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: and Fiona Apple gonna be a little bit gay, and

859
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: like that's okay. It's also like Fiona, Apple's like literally

860
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: like playing like it's like it's edgy because it's Apple.

861
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: Like she's like apple and make she's reclaiming Apple, reclaiming up. Okay,

862
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: finally we have we have a narrative that makes sense,

863
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: which is that Apple is actually reclaiming apple. I want

864
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: to maybe simplify this even more. It's like, literally, how

865
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: do we feel about eating apples? Correct? Okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

866
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: Oh so I have a lot of feelings about it.

867
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: And then also this kid made me like in the past,

868
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: I was working until recently at the school in Brooklyn

869
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: and like, um, this kid at first kindergarten or last year,

870
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Like I was like stubbing for this kindergarten class and

871
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: then the teacher was like, Okay, you can just give

872
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: them each an apple, and like right already, like she's like, oh,

873
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: I have the solution to your problems. Give them an apple.

874
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: And the thing is that she was like just give

875
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: them the whole apple, Like I don't want to. Like

876
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: she's like kind of like yeah, anyway, her whole he

877
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: whole vibe is like I'm not don't We're not gonna

878
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: slice it for them. She was like trying to chot

879
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: some about autonomy, and this one kid was like he

880
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: I saw the sentence to me, oh, oh, it's the circle.

881
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: It's the circle kind, I don't want one. And what

882
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: he met is that it was just the whole apple slice.

883
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so sweet circle kind. Wait, this

884
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: is okay. When you were growing up, did you eat

885
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: apples whole or did your mom cut them up into pieces? So,

886
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: because I was in Japan and this is the whole

887
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: thing there, I would eat them sliced without skin. And

888
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm like now remembering the same. And I don't think

889
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: this was like a Greek thing. I think it's just

890
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: like that's what my mom did. Like after dinner, my

891
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: mom would basically just like put a plate in the

892
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: middle of the table and then start cutting fruit. And

893
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: for no matter what the fruit was, it was peeled

894
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: and cut into slices. And actually, because I randomly didn't

895
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: like fruit, apple was one of the only fruits I

896
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: did eat because it's like the least Like it's like

897
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: I was freaked out by things like being juicy and

898
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: exploding in my mouth and like apples are manageable. Um. Yeah,

899
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: that's so interesting because it's just kind of like crisp

900
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 1: and sweet and it's not It's like Chris, It's yeah,

901
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing saccharine really about an apple. There's nothing like that.

902
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: Like the texture isn't really anything. I've always kind of

903
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: been an apple hater, Like I can have like one slice,

904
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: but like if I'm eating a full apple, something about

905
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: it like halfway through it gets disgusting to me, and

906
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to get out of here. I think.

907
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: So when I was like in high school, I started

908
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: getting oh oh wait, I forgot about this actually. So

909
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, this is when we're

910
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, I got like really into eating apples whole.

911
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: And I think what's funny is like, you know how

912
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: people this is like, Okay, My point is I ate

913
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: so many foujie apples that I started collecting the little

914
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: stickers and I put them on the back of a binder.

915
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: So like there was like a moment in high school

916
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: where I like had a binder that was covered in

917
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: these apples and I eat a lot of them like whole.

918
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: But now, you know how like when people are like, oh,

919
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: in your thirties, like speaking of like alcohol or whatever,

920
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: it's like in your thirties, Like if I have this

921
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: food at this hour, like it hurts my body. I

922
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: feel like I can't actually eat a whole apple, not

923
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: for any reason other than it's kind of just really fibrous.

924
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: It's like a lot. I agree, it's a lot. I like,

925
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: I'll get an apple in a salad. I laid an

926
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: apple with like cheese, like whatever it. Wait, I have

927
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: a new concept that I just thought of. Okay, okay, Basically,

928
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: all things that are good with apples also have like cinnamon.

929
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: And so my theory is like cinnamon is like the

930
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: woman doing the invisible labor, and apple is getting all

931
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: the glory. So like it's like an apple cider doughnut.

932
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: It's like what you like there is the cinnamon and

933
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: the sugar, or like an apple pie, like what you

934
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: like is not the apple, it's like the other flavors.

935
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: And so cinnamon is like working really hard and she's

936
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: actually the one like bringing the value that people like

937
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: and she's never in the title. Cinnamon is emotional labor

938
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: exactly and physical. Wait, I think that is so genius.

939
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: I like, I'm I'm feeling a little bit seen because

940
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: I've always been like I don't like apples, but an

941
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: apple pie one of my favorite things. And an apple

942
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: doughnut I love. And so I was like what is that?

943
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: And it's like the cinnamon. I don't like apple, I

944
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: like cinnamon and sugar, you dumb bitch. Yeah, And same

945
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: with like an apple, like even like a you know,

946
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: even an apple sighter, like if you have like a

947
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: warm sighter or something. It's like what you're responding to

948
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: is the is the fall flavors? It's not totally. When

949
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: I was a kid, my favorite thing at Starbucks, oh yeah,

950
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: I have oh my gosh. Okay, So like when I

951
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: was in eighth grade, basically I was waking to the

952
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: school in Tokyo, where like the school was like dropped

953
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: stop at this train station, and my first sense of

954
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: like independence was that I would go to the Starbucks

955
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: and I would get like I would get this like um,

956
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: like you know this is the first chapter and like

957
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: a story of consumerism. But I like got the caramel

958
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: apple cider, which it would just be like cat apple

959
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: cider with whipped cream and caramel drizzlings on top and

960
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: like a splash of cinnamon. And the thing is that, yeah,

961
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: all these other elements are like pulling the weight. Yeah,

962
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: caramel to like when you have like a caramelized apple

963
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: or like a caramel covered apple. And I think that

964
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: my favorite a sandwich I really like is like okay,

965
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: apple and like a sharp white cheddar and like a

966
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: kind of intense mustard. Oh. Interesting, I was thinking I

967
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: thought you were going to go another direction, which is

968
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: like apple and like brie. Oh, that's what I thought

969
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: you were going there as well. But is that gay

970
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: or straight or something? I mean, all of this is

971
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: gay if you're you're combining apple and cheese like you're subverting. Yeah,

972
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: you're purposefully going sort of an anti American direction. So

973
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: here's a question. What about pairs? I mean, Sam, do

974
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: you want to go? I'm like overwhelmed by this question. Pairs.

975
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: I still see pairs as straight to be honest, interesting,

976
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: I would disagree. I see them almost as like they're

977
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: more of a classic thing. Like pairs do remind me

978
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: even more of old times. There's something about like thinking

979
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: of them in like old paintings. Yeah, I feel like

980
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: they're really fetishized in the past in a way that

981
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: like kind of makes them feel straight to me. But yeah,

982
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: there was like some kind of like femininity projected onto

983
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: them that you're right, that feels pretty straight. Well, there's

984
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: also like I have, you know, two sisters, and like

985
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: I grew up with like you know, like in women's

986
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: magazines and stuff. It's a lot of it would be

987
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: like are you a hair shape or an apple shape?

988
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: Like the pear and the apple as like types of womanhood. Yeah. Yeah,

989
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: And in fact I think, well, now I'm like, what

990
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: is the more desirable one or during the like two

991
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: thousand's what I guess people wanted to be a pear

992
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: shaped and not an apple shape, which feels weird because

993
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: I feel like as was not in then and a

994
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: pair has asked, I guess there's also celery. Yeah, there was,

995
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: and that's what people wanted anyway. To me. Pairs, though,

996
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, like they're so kind of

997
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: vintage and historical, but at the same time, I feel

998
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: like they're always playing second fiddle to Apple, like they're

999
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: like the indie Apple to me, like in popular contemporary culture,

1000
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, Apple is cold playing Pears or

1001
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: Vampire Weekend Totally, it's like what about It's like a

1002
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: parent Okay, It's like tack it up a notch from

1003
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: like an apple and cheddar to like a parent and

1004
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: gorgonzola exactly exactly exactly. Wow, I feel like I feel

1005
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: like the actual Like if we're going looking for like

1006
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: a binary, like the opposite of an apple would be

1007
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: a banana. Oh wait why and our banana? Straight? No,

1008
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: I think banana is like I think it's the opposite

1009
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: because it's a completely different texture. It's like, decide it's

1010
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: it's cultural no, okay, okay o, god no, No, I

1011
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: want to know. It's more of the cultural like significance,

1012
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: like it holds a similar place as an apple, but

1013
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: it's like the what it implies, it's just almost the opposite. Okay, yes,

1014
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on board. Okay. And their their flash is

1015
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: the same color, which is the irony. Wow, what a lesson?

1016
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, I actually love bananas, and I want to

1017
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: say I love bananas and maybe that's mostly what I'm

1018
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: speaking to that bananas are my go to to have

1019
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: a banana and then like after each bite, put peanut

1020
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: butter on it and then take a bite. There's nothing

1021
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: like that. See that's apples, whoa both pretty satisfying fruit.

1022
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: Like I'll eat like a million grapes, but I don't

1023
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 1: feel like I'm actually absorbing like that is so true.

1024
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: Grapes are just water. Yeah, there's like other fruit like that,

1025
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: And I think my favorite fruits are like probably like berries.

1026
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: But similarly, I don't think I feel like I'm being

1027
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: satiated by those. Apples and bananas are like, oh yeah,

1028
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: this is like a part of a meal. Totally. It's

1029
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: apples and bananas are not just part of a meal

1030
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: but like a complete snack in the way that many

1031
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: other fruits are not. And their serving they have the

1032
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: correct serving size too, Like totally having a banana is like,

1033
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's nature's but the banana is more like

1034
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: fickle than an apple because it's I feel like the

1035
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: like shelf life is shorder, it's always running. But then

1036
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: make banana bread and that's a whole other thing. And

1037
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: that's the whole other things. I also and if we're

1038
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: bananas also and we have to talk about this, they

1039
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, exude sexuality. They people are that it's the

1040
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: obvious thing, but it's like it's it's a dick y'all people.

1041
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: People you can ruin a high school or's sort of

1042
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: whole day by saying, hey, that looks like a dick. Yeah,

1043
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the banana we associate with the dick,

1044
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: apple with an undesirable woman's body, yeah, or an apple jeans. Okay,

1045
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: so this is like, you know, how like is w

1046
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: is apple stone fruit? I don't know, no, because the

1047
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: stone fruit is like things that have like the pit inside.

1048
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: So that's all like kind of like a peach is

1049
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: like like Yonnick like it looks like as like it's like, right,

1050
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: an apple, I don't alf it really has that. I

1051
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to think of like if you

1052
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: cut an apple and see what you're saying that the

1053
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: apple is weirdly not sexual. It's one of the few

1054
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: fruits that isn't sexual. It's not it's yeah, it's a

1055
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: non sexual fruit. It's because it's not juice. I mean,

1056
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: not to go back to the juice element, but it's

1057
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: not juicy and it's not I mean, yes, there is

1058
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: a certain yonnick element to the inside of an apple,

1059
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: but not enough. Not enough. Not enough, yeah, not enough

1060
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: to make that point go home. You know. It's like yeah,

1061
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: so like okay, yeah, like mangoes sexual, it's just not

1062
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: an aphrodisiac, like and and that's why and that's like

1063
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: part of its term. That's why it's so chaste. It's

1064
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: like the thing you give a teacher. It's the thing

1065
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: you serve on Christmas. You know. The apple pie is

1066
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: that you serve like a hot day, Like it's not

1067
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: an apple. Apple will never make something more sexy. Apple

1068
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: is puritanical. It's puritanical. I mean it is. It's like

1069
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: new and is. Yeah, it is New England. It's like

1070
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: Amish totally. Actually, there's never more Amish fruit than the

1071
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: app I feel like, yeah, yeah, don't question yourself. That's no.

1072
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: Like someone pushing literally someone pushing like an old wooden wheelbarrow.

1073
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: It's like filled with apples, and that's straight. And those

1074
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: apples they represent hate someone pushing that wheelbarrow they're pushing. Hey,

1075
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: this has been maybe one of the most um like

1076
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: feverish conversations on the topic. I actually am like willness.

1077
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: I almost feel like we're in a drug trip or

1078
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: something like will this makes sense to anyone that wasn't

1079
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: on this zoom call. I'm also worried about, like, are

1080
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: there obvious now that we have done such a comprehensive

1081
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: analysis of apples in the cultural imaginary. I'm like, are

1082
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: there ones we missed? Probably there's there's probably three big

1083
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: ones that aren't occurring to us. Yeah. One thing that

1084
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the naming, but like

1085
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: the you didn talk about what the literal names are. Wait,

1086
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I have something. Okay please

1087
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow naming her daughter Apple. Wow. There, I mean

1088
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: that's huge, that's huge. That's that's actually that is like

1089
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: I love but like at the time when that represented

1090
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: was a straight woman trying to be original. Yes, and

1091
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: but it's like the most puritanical or planned fruit. But

1092
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: there's something Wow, that's big. Actually, well, there's something about

1093
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: it that was like, Wow, it's the most random thing

1094
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: you could name a kid like, it's people acted, that

1095
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: was like the craziest thing that has ever happened, Right,

1096
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: what y'r was that like early on the two thousand Yeah,

1097
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: I in my mind it was like two thousand three

1098
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, that feels like so of its time too,

1099
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: it's really big. Yeah, it's two thousands four. Wow. Post

1100
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: post nine eleven, I mean, people were looking to apples

1101
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: for like a sign of American wholesomeness and like for

1102
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: Geneth culture of that name her daughter that it was like,

1103
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: you can't do that, bitch, Like that's with a cultural reaction. Wow, okay,

1104
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: that's big. Like yeah, like pink Lady, Red Delicious Grant,

1105
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: it's also like sith. Yeah. The names feel to me

1106
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: very like theater kid. They also feel fully republican. They

1107
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: feel yeah, they're gendered. I mean pink Lady like, okay,

1108
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: we get it. Yeah, like you want to suck this

1109
01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: apple stop? Yeah. Yeah, It's almost like there's a kind

1110
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: of virgin horror. It's like pink Lady is the horror

1111
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: and then Granny is the not the virgin granny wholesome,

1112
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: and then pink Lady is the slat. Yeah right, like

1113
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: Jezebel kind of figure. Well are we done? I mean yeah,

1114
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: I think we're getting a call from the MacArthur Grant

1115
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: people if I take it. Wait, I have a last

1116
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: point though. Okay, you know what really we were talking about,

1117
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: Like you were like like going to a movie theater

1118
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: to get this particular soda or like that kind of thing.

1119
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: How about going to like an airport or like Amtrak station,

1120
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: like little what's that those little markets like that's you know,

1121
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: they have like hard they have like books and like

1122
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 1: snacks and medicine, but like for like dried apple chips. Yeah,

1123
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: it's a classic air port purchase, like a panic purchase,

1124
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: right where you're like, I guess, like would I go

1125
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: would I get those if I were like in a

1126
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: supermarket where it's like a whole array of snacks and

1127
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: or just apples? Like no? But yeah, you're like, yeah,

1128
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: it's like a panic purchase. You're like, okay, I guess.

1129
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it feels more somehow, it feels

1130
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: like less kind of like saltier or earlyer, like processed

1131
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: and certain snacks. But then it's like do I really

1132
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: want this anyway? It's a weird dried fruit option for sure. Yeah,

1133
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: things well and things like that like apple chips and

1134
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: fruit chips never taking off feels yeah, we like barely.

1135
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's like a whole other conversation. That's very

1136
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: like we should switch over to like the metric system,

1137
01:05:52,320 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: but we will ye oh my god, wait, I have

1138
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: like the most complicating factor of all and we just

1139
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: have to mention because otherwise we will be dragged Apple

1140
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: tins are like a classic gay cocktail, is it. Yeah,

1141
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: it's like not anymore, but like in the like nineties

1142
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: and Apple Ta yeah, like sexness City Apple Like, it

1143
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: was like I've got I've got a response. Okay, what

1144
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: is it? No? No, I feel like Apple teeny wasn't

1145
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: necessarily what gay people were actually drinking. It was what

1146
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: straight people would say gay people were drinking to make

1147
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: fun of them. Okay, yeah, I'll take that. Okay, So

1148
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: Apple tinies it's so straight it's homophobic. In fact, it

1149
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: was weaponized. Yeah, usually the only language they have. I

1150
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: have no idea. I assume it's some kind of like

1151
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: green apple acre right. Yeah. Yeah, But honestly, I do

1152
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: think we should take back the Apple tinies. And yeah, well,

1153
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: people have been um saying that there's this one oh

1154
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: my god, wait, I'm like Chris Crowley, there's this one

1155
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: writer for creb Street that's been promoting the return of

1156
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: the Apple teeny. I look forward to it. Yeah, And someone,

1157
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: my car worker, Tammy, who's a food who's like a

1158
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,959
Speaker 1: drink's professional, was telling me like, one of the reasons

1159
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: why it's not coming back is because like Apple like,

1160
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: there's just like isn't a good apple liqueur, whereas like

1161
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: Forrest of Martinez, there are many good coffee liquers. And

1162
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: so that's why like that made a comeback. But maybe

1163
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: it's high time someone made an artisanal like really good

1164
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: green apples, nice and not too coin or something. Huh

1165
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: that sounds great. I love the pitch. All right, Well,

1166
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: let's do it, folks, stray Lab branded apple, straight Lab

1167
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: branded canned apple teens. I think people would drink. Oh,

1168
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: that would be Oh, that would be great. You look

1169
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: like I think I actually think we should do our

1170
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: Let's do it, do our final stite. I agree. For

1171
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: folks at home, Sam's getting his booster shot and a

1172
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: merror twenty five minutes. It's true. So I'm gonna have

1173
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: to hop on my little bike. And so our final

1174
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: segment is called it is called shoutouts. And in this

1175
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: segment we can give a shout out to um, something

1176
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: that we are thinking about and we want to promote

1177
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: in the style of kind of a t r L

1178
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: early two thousands radio shoutout. UM. I'm like kind of

1179
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: second guessing myself, Sam, do you have one? I have one?

1180
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: I it's a little too sincere. Oh I see I

1181
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: remember what, but I'll do it. I'll just do it.

1182
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: It's a good Okay, do it. What's up everybody out

1183
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: there in the globe. I have an extremely unfunny shout

1184
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: out that is just real. Guess what, idiots. I saw

1185
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: an incredible show last night by Claire o'cane. She did

1186
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: a solo show and it was so touching and moving

1187
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: and it made me feel like, Wow, life is fragile

1188
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: and you got to hold onto the ones you love.

1189
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: She really was brave by doing something serious and about

1190
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: her life, and I was so impressed. Clara Kane, You're

1191
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: a genius. I love you, and I love love comedy.

1192
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we love love Hurricane on this podcast.

1193
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: I I can't believe I missed that. I'm gonna I'm

1194
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: I'm vowing publicly that I'm going to go next time

1195
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: she does it. Um and I heard it again. That's

1196
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: that's really cool. And I love Claire. And also there

1197
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: was a time when she I thought she was gonna

1198
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: like stop doing live performance. Remember that, and so I'm

1199
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: really glad she's doing it again. Okay, I'll do I'll

1200
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: do something I liked as well. My original one was

1201
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: going to be Cottage cheese. But I'm like, we we

1202
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: already talked about food for so long during this episode,

1203
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: but I like, I need to do something else. Okay,

1204
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: what's up, freaks and losers out there. I want to

1205
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: give a quick shout out to the film The Power

1206
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: of the Dog. That's right, This is a new movie.

1207
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: It just came out last week. I saw it, and

1208
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. This movie has themes. It

1209
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: has every possible theme a movie could have. I have

1210
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: always so impressed when someone manages to put in every

1211
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: possible theme into one movie and they all come together.

1212
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking Matt scalinity, I'm talking marriage, I'm talking sibling rivalry,

1213
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking trauma. In the words of Jamie Lye Curtis,

1214
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: every theme you could possibly want is in this film.

1215
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: For all my theme heads out there, go online and

1216
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: buy a ticket to the Power of the Dogs String

1217
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: Benedict Cumberbatch, Jesse Plemons, and Kirsten Duns. Go out there

1218
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: and see those themes come to life. And let me

1219
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: tell you something. Yeah, it's coming out on Netflix in

1220
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: a few weeks because it's Netflix original, But you want

1221
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: to say it on a big screen, folks, because the

1222
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: themes come to life. So that's my shoutout. Power of

1223
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: the Dog, directed by Jane Campion. Whoo whoo. All right, Brittany,

1224
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:46,919
Speaker 1: whenever you're ready. Okay, um, what's up, Fucky's I'm Brittany

1225
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: and I'm here to shout out the soundtrack of the

1226
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: animated show of Big Mouth on Spotify that you can

1227
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: access through Spotify and listen to it. I just started

1228
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: watching the show actually, like kind of week ago, and

1229
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: I really binged a lot of it, and I'm so

1230
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: taken by the universe of the show and I love

1231
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: the jokes and the characters, and I think it actually

1232
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: made me feel kind of sexual again after you're not

1233
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: really feeling sexual for a month or so, which is

1234
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: weird because it's like centering teenage children. But I think

1235
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm like really blown away a bout how they talk

1236
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: about puberty and consent and gender and Nick Crawl is

1237
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: talented and it's like, I don't know, it just makes

1238
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: me feel warm when I watched it in my apartment

1239
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: and I'm almost out of episode. But I love that.

1240
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: I love I love because one of those shows where

1241
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: you were like, it can be as good as everyone

1242
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: says it is. And it's actually so good. It is great.

1243
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: It's so fun good, it's so fun. I love big

1244
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: mouth shout out favorite Io Debris. Oh, yes, so great.

1245
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: You're not going to shout out all the stradio lab

1246
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: al right, I'm sorry. I guess there are so many.

1247
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: I just meant Io specifically because she's like one of

1248
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: the main characters. Lambs are involved. Alright, folks, Well wow,

1249
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm almost like this needs to be behind

1250
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: the pay wall. Oh my god, thank you for having me.

1251
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: I was really nervous. I was really nervous and feeling shy,

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Speaker 1: a journey. Alright, by everyone, and subscribe to our patrioch. Wait,

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Speaker 1: and I have a one more thing to leave us.

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Speaker 1: someone's eye that is the most Yes, that's like straight

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Speaker 1: love letter. But you can't think of anything original to say,

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