1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay F Daily with 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: this show is being pre recorded in honoring of the 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior Holiday, and so I wanted to 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: bring back to the show my friend Kaivon Shroff, who 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: is a Democratic commentator and all around ivy leaguer when 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: it comes to political science, to give us some insight 8 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: into his thoughts on where he thinks that the Democrats 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: are going to be in twenty twenty three. We go 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: off on a conversation largely around how this is a 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: prime opportunity with Democrats in the minority in the House. 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: And again, folks, only by four votes are they in 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: the minority in the House. But this is the prime 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: opportunity for Democrats to hone their messaging. And we talk 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: about the real start contrast between Kevin McCarthy's acceptance speech, 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: if you can call it that, after fourteen failed vote 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: attempts that becoming Speaker of the House, which he has 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: hollowed out because of his decision to give away everything 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: including the kitchen sink to the far right, reaching quote 20 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: unquote freedom Caucus and the speech that was given by 21 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: incoming Minority Leader Hakim Jefferies. And so, one of the 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: things that you've heard me talk about regularly on woke 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: F is the inability of Democrats to have a cohesive 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: national messaging strategy that has us distill the very complicated 25 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: policies and ideas that we try and put forth for 26 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: the American people in something that is easily digestible. Now, look, 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: we know that hate is readily easily digestible. We also 28 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: know that the truth need not get in the way 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: of a good story as it pertains to the far right. 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: But with Democrats in this space, have an opportunity because 31 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: here's the thing, we know, no policies are going to 32 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: be put forth. You could barely get a speaker chosen 33 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: with the first four days of Republicans supposed to be 34 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: wielding the gavel, let alone any major legislation. I mean, 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: one of the first things that Kevin McCarthy talked about 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: was defunding the IRS and more investigations into the federal government, 37 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: none of which is going to do anything for the 38 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: average American. So what does a messaging strategy look like 39 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: by Democrats? What does it mean to consistently over the 40 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: next two years, remind the American people who is actually 41 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: voting for their best interests when it comes to lowering 42 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: prescription drug prices, when it comes to looking at infrastructure, 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to our public school situation in terms 44 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: of oh, I don't know, changing up full on curriculum 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that we continue with the white supremacy 46 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: propaganda that we instilling young people instead of teaching them 47 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: the truth. When we look at all of these things, 48 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: we know that it is Democrats that are fighting for 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: the American people and Republicans that have aligned themselves with 50 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: our foreign enemies, looking at you Russia, looking at the House, 51 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: Republicans deciding that they don't want to continue to help 52 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: Ukraine continue their fight for democracy and against Putin because 53 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: you know, putinist Trump's BFF. So I think that there 54 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: is a major opportunity in the coming two years of 55 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: the circus that we are in for for Democrats to 56 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: really set an agenda, a stark agenda and clear narrative 57 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: that shows the American people who the adults are in 58 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: the room. So, coming up next my conversation with Kaivan Shroff. Folks, 59 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: I am really happy to welcome back to woke f 60 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: Kaivan Streff, who is a Democratic commentator and has is 61 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: a cleated with Harvard Law, MPP from the Kennedy School, 62 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: NBA from Yal Sam political science from Brown University. He 63 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: is an all around IVY leaguer and one of the 64 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: smartest people that I follow on TikTok, who puts out 65 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: some of the most thoughtful videos. So if you're not 66 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: following him on TikTok, you should cavan. Happy New Year 67 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: to you, Happy New Year. Agreed to be here, Happy 68 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: New Year, Same Republican bullshit. So I want to start 69 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: off with, you know, essentially getting your thoughts on how 70 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: you believe if you think I'll say this, if you 71 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: think that the first couple of weeks of this new 72 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: year are in how Republicans antics on the House floor 73 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: their decision to want to gut the Ethics Committee and 74 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: create what HACKEM. Jeffries, minority leader has referred to the 75 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: Insurrection Protection Committee in its stead. What do you make 76 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: of how Republicans are setting the tone for the next 77 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: two years. You know, I think they're really failing to 78 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: set a clear tone and unfortunately, I mean well fortunately 79 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: for the country. But we've seen, you know, just total 80 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: chaos under McCarthy short tenure so far. Let's see how 81 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: long it lasts. But I think he's gotten so many narratives, 82 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: especially the George Santo's narrative, that have really sort of 83 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: taken away the opportunity to set a clear agenda and 84 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: define what they want to do. At the same time, 85 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of letting them off the hook 86 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: because I doubt they have a real credible agenda and 87 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: so it's very hard to permeate that. And I think 88 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: it's a good time actually for Democrats obviously on messaging, 89 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: because we would rather have won the House. But it's easier, 90 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: I think, when you're in the minority to constantly be 91 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, criticizing and holding those who do have control accountable. 92 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: And there's going to be a lot to say about 93 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: this really corrupt regime that is in power in Congress. 94 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: Right now. Let's talk about George Santos for a minute. 95 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: So glad you brought him up, because it's like every 96 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: single day there is another unearthing of another lie that 97 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: this man has told. And you know, I'm from Long Island, 98 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm from Eastern Long Island. So from Suffolk County, and 99 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: he represents parts of Nassau County, and the New York 100 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: Republicans have called for him to step down. They say 101 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: that he is an absolute distraction, that he does not 102 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: have the capability to be able to do the job right. 103 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: You have reporters hounding him this week and his response saying, 104 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: the constituents put me here, and I won't leave unless 105 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: I have one hundred and forty two random people tell 106 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: me that life totally archery. Yeah right, And I was like, 107 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: I got you know, I got one it as well 108 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: on jan and forty two people telling him to step down. 109 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: I want to talk about basically who George Santos is 110 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: and how Kevin McCarthy as speaker, because he's so desperate 111 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: for votes, refuses to acknowledge that this man is just 112 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: corrupt and a grift. Absolutely, and I think, honestly we're 113 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: going to find out soon enough, but probably guilty of 114 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: at least one or more crimes. And I think it's 115 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: a very unique and great challenge for McCarthy to have 116 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: to deal with because it really calls out that yes, 117 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: he's an extreme example, and yes they needed the votes, 118 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: but I think there's another reason that McCarthy and others 119 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: in GOOP leadership aren't going after him, it's because where 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: do you draw the line. I mean, this is a 121 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: caucus full of liars and sort of close to criminals, 122 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: if not criminals. So you know, I think it's hard 123 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: for them to come out and criticize somebody, even such 124 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: an egregious case, because then the next one and the 125 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: next one, and gates and right, like, we're right, you 126 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: draw once you've opened the doors to all these sort 127 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: of bad actors to be leaders in making our laws. Now, 128 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: I think it is a total crock to say that 129 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: this guy was elected and he's going to serve and 130 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. This is not who voters elected. Voters 131 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: elected a complete lie, a mythical individual. Nobody voted for 132 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: George Santos or whatever his name is. So I don't 133 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: think that that is a reasonable, you know, response. It's ludicrous, 134 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. I think it kind of 135 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: worked better on some of the more chaotic figures like 136 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, where yeah, like I guess she was 137 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: elected by you know, the constituents in her district, and 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: that's who she is. She is crazy, but it's it's 139 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: a very different case. Yeah, And I think that that's right. 140 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: I think you make a good distinction, which is that 141 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, and remember, there were calls to take Marjorie 142 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: Taylor Green out of the off of the ballot in 143 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: her district. There were calls and they lost, right she 144 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: obviously she stayed on the ballot, she was able to run. 145 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: And so these people knowingly are electing a QAnon conspiracist liar, 146 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: right like, somebody who lies about reality, because that's not 147 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: where she's operating. I think that George Santos, to your point, 148 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: is a completely different case because his constituents have no 149 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: idea who they voted for, right like at all. You know. 150 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: One of the questions that I have, you know, as 151 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: somebody who is so studied in our political landscape and 152 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: climate and government, is this where do you think that 153 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: where was the breakdown in oppositional research from his opponent 154 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: and just Democrats in general, like every seat mattered, and 155 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: what was what has been said was, oh, well, this 156 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: wasn't a high profile you know, k Like, this wasn't 157 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: a high profile election. It wasn't a high profile seat. 158 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, but in such a narrow win that 159 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Republicans had every seat did matter. So where was the 160 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: breakdown in research here? Right? No? I mean I think 161 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: there was some democratic opa research here, but and a 162 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: little little bit of local news coverage. Actually, once people 163 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: part of the story, they looked back and saw, oh yeah, 164 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: some people did sort of mention this. But I think 165 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: it really speaks to and it's an indictment of our 166 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: national media framework once again, where certain like how is 167 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: this this is a critically important story and but four 168 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: three or four weeks of time could have totally changed 169 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: the results yea, the power of Congress really, and somehow 170 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: it was missed. But you know, we got the New 171 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: York Times today giving Kelly and Conway a platform to 172 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: plug Trump, Like is that really what the New York 173 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Times should be doing? Yet they missed this story. And 174 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: so I do think, you know, there's this competition at 175 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the local level and national level in media, and we 176 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: are seeing sort of and continue to see. Really this 177 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: is a decades long problem, the decimation of local news yea, 178 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: and very much competition from national players. But then they 179 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: dropped the ball on stories like this, Like I don't 180 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: think could possibly argue this was not under the purview 181 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: of the New York Times to cover. Do you think 182 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: that Santos last the year? Do you think, you know, 183 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: just just in your prediction, in your like shaking of 184 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: the crystal ball, do you think that he makes it 185 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: through even one year of his two year term? Or 186 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: do we see indictments? I mean, he's being investigated by 187 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: both the New York the Nassau County DAH and the 188 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: federal government. Totally. I mean, I think it's laughable because 189 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: another response of McCarthy was sort of, oh, if he 190 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: did anything wrong, he'll face ethics. But as you pointed 191 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: out when we opened the ethics, he's in Congress, so 192 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: that's that's comical. But um, I think, yes, I don't 193 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: see him lasting the year if there are indictments that 194 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: come down at the same time. And I think we're 195 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: all a little tired of this, but we've seen how 196 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: long this process of investigations can be, so I really 197 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: think it's going to be tied to that. And once 198 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: there are criminal charges or more, um, you know, it'll 199 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: be a different story and a harder to defend and 200 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: maybe a little easier for some Republicans who are uncomfortable 201 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: with what's going on to speak out. But you know, 202 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm not too hopeful that course correction here, Yeah, I'm 203 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: not too hopeful either. I mean, I won't hold my 204 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: breath because I don't want to pass out. But um, 205 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I think is, 206 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, was really eye opening. I'll say this, for 207 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: the fourteen failed votes that McCarthy had for speaker took. 208 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: It took four days and fifteen votes for McCarthy to 209 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: have this hollowed out speakership. Can you speak to some 210 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: of the concessions that were made and why he is 211 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: now considered one of the weakest speakers in history. Well, exactly, 212 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say, is he's basically 213 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: speaker in name only, and the concessions, as I think 214 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: everyone's predicted for years seeing this slow moving train wreck 215 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: of the GOP Congress, is that they basically cowt out 216 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: to every demand of the most extremist members of their caucus, 217 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: and those people are have every incentive to continue to 218 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: create chaos at every turn. It's paid off for them, unfortunately, 219 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: and I think we're going to see more and more 220 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: of it. And I think what was particularly alarming about 221 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: the fifteen votes. Is I think if you a decade 222 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: ago said oh, this like sort of technical things happening 223 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: in Congress and they're going to go through multiple rounds 224 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: or a bunch of days, and it's going to go 225 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: into the weekend, nobody on Earth would be really caring 226 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: or watching that much. And suddenly you had everyone watching, right. 227 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: And my concern with that is that there is almost 228 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: this reality TV payout where you know, good attention intention 229 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: It allowed those people to kind of totally own the 230 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: narratives and the media and write like, who knows fake conversations, 231 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: have real conversations, but kind of play to a public audience. 232 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: And we saw this little from Democrats too with Katie 233 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Porter and her book, but you know, it's just a 234 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: totally different level. And I do think the incentives are off. 235 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: And what was really interesting is obviously the c SPAN 236 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: cameras kind of had a little bit more control of 237 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: what they wanted to do. And I came across a 238 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: piece and I'm blanking on the author, so forgive me, 239 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: but basically saying, yeah, actually, this is terrible because we 240 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: don't want this sort of false sense of like, oh 241 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: now the cameras can do whatever they want, and there's 242 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: more accountability when it's really just feeding into again that 243 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: national media ecosystem that's really trying to create reality TV moments, 244 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: and that's not really accountability. It's really giving attention seekers 245 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: a channel to seek that attention and have an impact 246 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: in a really bad way. You know, I'm so glad 247 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: that you brought up the cameras because I was going 248 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: to be remiss in not asking you your thoughts on 249 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: that physical altercation that we saw on the house of 250 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the floor at the floor of the house. Never in 251 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: my life, right, never in my life have I seen 252 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: in American politics. Now we've seen this play out. We've 253 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: seen a playout in Parliament. We've seen a play out 254 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: in other countries where they literally have gone fisticuffs. We've 255 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: never seen this in America. Haive on, what was your 256 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: reaction to that, to that clip and to I mean, 257 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: I my mouth felt. I was stunned. It was honestly, 258 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: it did remind me and I might be getting this wrong, 259 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: so forgive me my APUs history teacher, but I think 260 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: there was like one example of some guy, like very 261 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: early on, beating somebody else with a cane like either 262 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: in the house or the Senate. So I have to 263 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: look that up after this, but I'm sure, but it 264 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: really reminded me of that, and I was like, yeah, 265 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: to your point, like we have not seen this in forever, 266 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: but this really is who the Republican Party is. I mean, 267 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: this is a pro violence, pro insurrection party. These are 268 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of frat guys that you know ended up 269 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: in Congress. Let's be honest about that. I mean they 270 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: have no policy positions and they're not very thoughtful now 271 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: care about their constituents. All they care about is you know, 272 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: straight rich white guys and how they can protect that 273 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: group of people and you know, hold onto powers. So 274 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: of course you see this sort of ludicrous behavior. I 275 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: mean it was just such you know, and I've said 276 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: this so many times on this show, and obviously, like 277 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you also went into politics. There was such an esteem 278 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: that I held when I worked on Capitol Hill, like 279 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: I would see these members, it was it was it 280 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: was a kin. I would tell people if you were 281 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: in Hollywood and you're seeing like the directors that you 282 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: love and the writers that you love, like walking the 283 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: halls and the actors and the actresses, there was this 284 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: air of like, oh, my goodness, I'm walking the halls 285 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: of history and to watch it devolve into like you're 286 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: into a frat house, into just like this, this horrible, tacky, 287 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: trashy behavior. I just it's it has brought the air 288 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: and the esteem and any bit of regalness that our 289 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: government had is now just in the sewer. And I 290 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: don't think that folks recognize how that damage will affect 291 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: us for decades to come, what that has done to 292 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: to our faith right in these systems and in these people. 293 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: And I mean, like, who is going to have the 294 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: institutional knowledge to put things back together? Because to your point, 295 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone or most people that want to 296 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: do good work and want to contribute to our democracy 297 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: see that it's a viable path to do so. So 298 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: they're not going to go there. Um so where are 299 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: they going to go? Probably to the private sector or 300 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: something like that. I meanwhile, you'll have sort of the 301 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: worst group of people doing these things and staffing up 302 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: these offices, and those will be the people around until 303 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: something major changes. Yeah. It just it really, you know, 304 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: aside from the side show and the circus and we 305 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: kind of laugh so that we don't cry, It is 306 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: kind of heartbreaking, right for those of us who really 307 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: believe in public service, who really believe in the ability 308 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: of government to better the lives of everyday Americans, and 309 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: then to watch it turn into a trashy reality TV 310 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: side show is really it is heartbreaking. I don't I 311 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: don't know what else to say about it. As you 312 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: as we watched, um, you know, finally Kevin McCarthy take 313 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: the speakership after fourteen failed votes. We watch him give 314 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: his speech, which was just breathless in its inability to 315 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: read the room. Then we, in contrast, watch Hakeem Jeffries. 316 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: I want to get your your response in thoughts to 317 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: Hakeem's jeff Jakeem Jeffreys ABC's of Democracy. I love that. 318 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: I love that. I actually thought it was so clever. 319 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: At first, it was like, is it a little corny? 320 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: And it is a little corny, honest, but it doesn't matter, 321 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: Like it was so wholesome. But it was actually so 322 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: on the mark too, Like it came in a package 323 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: that was very presentable and sort of unassuming, but if 324 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: you look at the words used and the comparisons drawn, 325 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: it was so clever and it was an easy thing. 326 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: By the way, obviously we were talking about TikTok. You know, 327 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: it was an easy thing for people to clip and share, 328 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: so that was genius too. So it was a great device, 329 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: I think, and it really introduced him in a tone 330 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: that is going to allow I think McCarthy to make 331 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: the biggest fool of himself because he wasn't going out right. 332 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: He didn't come with, you know, too much harshness or 333 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: like energy to start with. I think we'll probably see 334 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more of that as things get more 335 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: and more sort of aggressive with this new Congress. But 336 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of was a totally open, neutral, 337 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: like yes, going to call out facts and be president 338 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: in this reality. At the same time, you know, I 339 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: think he said, you know, like let's disagree without being disagreeable. 340 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: It's not my personal favorite mantra, but I would think 341 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: it serves in some cases, like perhaps this case on 342 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: his first speech sort of on a supernational stage. How 343 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: do you think that How came Jeffreys as minority leader 344 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: and this new leadership team are going to be able 345 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: to take on um these kind of weaponized, violent, volatile 346 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Republicans in the House. How do you see this, this team, 347 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: this group playing out differently than Pelosi did for you know, 348 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: for for for over a decade. Well, I think it 349 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: ties back to one of your earlier questions today, which is, 350 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: now Democrats have this moment. Right under Pelosi's leadership, they 351 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: were actually racing against the clock to get as much 352 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: done as humanly possible, and they did a lot. They 353 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: did alish a massive amount. I think everyone is impressed 354 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: with Biden's sort of first term on that aspect, and 355 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: he obviously owes a lot of credit to Pelosi for that. 356 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: Now they're in the position of really getting to lean 357 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: into narrative and communication and story because it is going 358 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: to be harder for Democrats to push things through Congress. 359 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: But there's that opportunity then to show the country how 360 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: diverse and awesome the people that we've elected to the 361 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: party are, and to really call out the bad behaviors 362 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: and maybe in a more sort of strident way, because again, 363 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's not realistic that 364 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: too much is going to come through on consensus. So 365 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, maybe that won't be the case, 366 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: but I highly expect it to be sort of a 367 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: standstill with in terms of bi partisanship and so it 368 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: kind of gives you this chance where you're basically getting 369 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: to and it's not a nice phrasing maybe, but to perform, 370 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: right like, they're going to get to perform now for 371 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: the next two years and create the best show possible. 372 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: And do you know, hopefully what frankly, Republicans are pretty 373 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: successful at, which is getting that intention and getting those 374 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: narratives out there. Now, Democrats are in a position where 375 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: they can kind of keep you know, poking the bear 376 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: and seeing what they can you know, drive attention around, 377 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: and I think that will be successful, especially you know, 378 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: I think people are concerned if you ask, you know, who, 379 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: if not Biden would run in twenty twenty four, which 380 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: I don't really honestly think is a productive question, but 381 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: they reflect on sort of is there a deep bench 382 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: for Democrats? And I think absolutely, especially from some of 383 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: the governors we're seeing. But we're also going to be 384 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: able to see over the next two years hopefully if 385 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: done well, you know, emphasis on some great members of 386 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: Congress that we have to offer who can be future 387 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: leaders of the party. So I think now is a 388 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: real time to focus on connecting with the American people. 389 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: Last question for you is this you know, I think 390 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: that a lot of Americans. I think the midterm election 391 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: showed that more Americans care about preserving our democracy than 392 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: the mainstream media gave them credit for. They kept saying, 393 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: you know, these are not the issues, it's the kitchen 394 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: table issues. And I kept saying, well, if you don't 395 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: have a democracy, you don't have a kitchen table. So 396 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm confused about the other things that would be taking 397 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: your attention. But you know, as we continue to look ahead, 398 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: this year is kind of the march to the real 399 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: beginning of the presidential cycle. As you have lifted up, 400 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: what do you think about Americans attention and stamina as 401 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: we head into the presidential And you know, do you 402 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: think what, if anything, can Democrats do? You were talking 403 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: about messaging and narrative to ensure Americans that Democrats are 404 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: the ones that need to remain to be in charge 405 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: and remain in charge in order to get the job done. Yeah, well, 406 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: I actually think it is sometimes helpful when you're not 407 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: in power. It's easier to make that case because it's 408 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: always easier to criticize than to do. And again with 409 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: the caveat that Republicans don't really want to do anything productive. 410 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: But I think that I appreciate Biden continuing to speak 411 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: out about the decline of democracy because I think sometimes 412 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, not in another press 413 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: conference about this topic like you did on jan six. 414 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: But I thought it was great because you have to 415 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: keep reminding people that this is a long term problem 416 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: that we have. It's not just a drum problem. We 417 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: now have an entire political party in the country that's 418 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: really dedicated to destroying our democracy. And frankly, all the 419 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: institutions you mentioned, you know, media saying what matters and 420 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: what doesn't matter. I mean, media is an institution that's 421 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: incredibly complicit in the decline of our democracy. So they're 422 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: probably not the best source to go to in discussing, 423 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, the importance of democratic institutions. They are supposed 424 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: to be one, and they are not fulfilling that commitment. 425 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, people understand that the bottom 426 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: is close to falling out in this country. I think 427 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: people are very afraid of increased chaos, potentially civil conflict 428 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: growing more and more. I mean, even in New York 429 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: we're seeing you know, Proud Boys and what doing extremists 430 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: attack drag performers, because like Elon Musk and sort of 431 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: other powerful people have just amplified this type of hate beyond. 432 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: So I think people are incredibly nervous and they're willing 433 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: to pay attention because they really feel their lives or 434 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: at stick and they are. And then I think, second, 435 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: it would be good to communicate the timeline a little 436 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: differently to people because I think we keep focusing on 437 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: the next benchmark, the next benchmark, the next benchmark, the midterms, election, whatever, 438 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: and then there's up slightly positive outcome or we do 439 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: a little better than we thought, and people are like, oh, 440 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: not everything's better yet, right, This is going to take 441 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: a decade or two to course correct. So yeah, I 442 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: mean it's fits and starts, and I think every individual 443 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: has to look at what they can contribute and also 444 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: how they can stay in this for the law run. 445 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: So focus maybe on their you know, own personal health 446 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: and you know sanity as they do that. I know, 447 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: for people like you and me were constantly thinking about 448 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: these issues and getting every news update every second, that 449 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: can be hard sometimes, you know. I mean I wouldn't 450 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: not do it because I personally need to know if 451 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: we're going to nuclear war, Yes, that's me, I think 452 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: other people they would rather not know, frankly, so so 453 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: I think that's my take on it, and I do 454 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: think the messaging can be better, And I do think 455 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: on one piece that I don't want to sort of 456 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: kick off a whole new topic as we're rapping, but 457 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: we talked about these investigations. Obviously there's some more on 458 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: the horizon. I do think that the Department of Justice 459 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: has done a really bad job communicating with the American people, 460 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of people that can 461 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: criticize or support what Mark Garland's doing. It's a very detailed, 462 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: specific process, so I don't think all the pundits out there, 463 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: like no matter their experience, really can speak to it. 464 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: But what we can speak to is what we've all seen, 465 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: which is frankly, I think even the strongest Biden supporters 466 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: or pro democracy people are frustrated at this point with 467 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: what's been happening at the DOJ and the lack of 468 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: clarity and communication about the process. What to expect if 469 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: you can't communicate about something, why you can't communicate it, 470 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: but just share that information so that people have that 471 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: foundational trust because you can't do all this work behind 472 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: closed doors, and then when you release the port the reports, 473 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, suddenly nobody believes in the process that you've 474 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: conducted because it's taken years and there's been so much 475 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: murkiness around it. So I think that is one thing 476 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: that is so important. Yeah, and a final plus also, 477 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, this example makes it relatently clear that 478 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: nobody cared about the status of Hillary Clinton's emails, none 479 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: of which remark classified, and it really was a sexist 480 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: attack under the guise of a national security issue, and 481 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: it really cost her the presidency. And it's just an 482 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: absolute disgrace. And I think the history books should absolutely 483 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: get that right. Kive on if we will have history books, 484 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's something as well, you know, if we 485 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: if we will have them. But no, you're absolutely right 486 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: in terms of the transparency. Even if you can't, as 487 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, speak to the inner workings of 488 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: how things are unfolding, you can bring some level of 489 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: fifty thousand foot this is what we've been up to, 490 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: this is what we're doing enough for the American people, 491 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: to your point, so that when these reports do come out, 492 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: it isn't just it doesn't just fall on non listening ears, 493 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: and then people who are already concerned about transparency and 494 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: concerned about corruption then don't feel like they've been brought along. 495 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: So I think that even if it isn't the Department 496 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: of Justice themselves, it is you know, someone in the 497 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: administration being able to you know, give us the one 498 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: on one class on how the Department of Justice moves 499 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: even if it is and you know through examples from 500 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: the past, and this is how we get to these points. 501 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: But thank you friend for joining. Your first appearance this year, 502 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: and I hope it will not be your last on 503 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: Woke a F but we will definitely come back to 504 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: you to see how how things continue to shake out. Kivan, 505 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time for Thank 506 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: you so much. Always great to be back. That is 507 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: it for me, dear friends on woke f as always, 508 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 509 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.