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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Did he steaks Exhibit triple X and Mary Freeko of Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Everybody?

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Speaker 2: This as we learned Seawan Comb's texts about his crimes

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Speaker 2: and code words. But don't worry, there's no need to

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Speaker 2: call him the code breakers at Bletchley Park. I think

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Speaker 2: I figured it out comes. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Draggings, druggings.

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Speaker 2: He beat her to hell and back, marathon sex sessions,

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Speaker 2: tore down the door, He smacks her in the.

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Speaker 3: Face, inflicting pain and cruelty.

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Speaker 4: A scene out of the shining.

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Speaker 1: Nothing more than an animal.

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Speaker 2: We are live outside the Manahaan Federal Courthouse standing by

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Speaker 2: is Tisa tells investigator and commentator star Off Tisa Tales

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Speaker 2: on YouTube. Tisa, You've got to explain how the jury

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Speaker 2: reacted when they got to see States Exhibit triple X,

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Speaker 2: the freak coffdeos.

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Speaker 5: The jurors reaction was the same as the gallery's reaction.

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Speaker 5: When I say they were disgusted. One juror had to

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Speaker 5: look away. Now, mind you, we heard.

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Speaker 4: Faint moments, fate murmurings.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and that and again they turned off all audio

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Speaker 5: to the gallery. So the fact that it was that loud.

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Speaker 5: But when you see the jurors, they were some of

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Speaker 5: them were leaned in. One had to turn their head

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Speaker 5: away in disgust. They were up, they were attentive, they

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Speaker 5: were taking notes, and they were puzzled by what they

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Speaker 5: were seeing. I would actually choose the word disgusted. It

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Speaker 5: was a really, really weird moment. But you know what,

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Speaker 5: it had to be done.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious, you said.

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Speaker 2: Some of the jurors looked discussed as some of them

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Speaker 2: turned away.

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Speaker 1: I understand that.

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Speaker 2: Some of them winced that one jarar was looking through

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Speaker 2: their hands.

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Speaker 1: I want to find out.

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Speaker 2: Were they male Gurrs or female Gurrars that had this reaction.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the funny thing.

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Speaker 5: The people, Okay, so I'll just break it down, right,

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Speaker 5: But the female jurors actually looked away in disgust.

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Speaker 4: Not all, but some looked away in discuss.

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Speaker 5: The males, interesting enough, were leaning forward, wincing, going back,

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Speaker 5: rubbing their heads it whatever they were seeing on those screens.

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Speaker 5: Because we were not privy, it was shaking everyone. And

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Speaker 5: again the men had to WinCE and look away. It

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Speaker 2: So even though the gurrrs had, you know, a secret

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Speaker 2: screen to look at, and they had on earphones, you

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Speaker 2: could still hear the moaning and the groaning from the video.

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Speaker 1: In Moel in the audience.

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Speaker 5: Yes, now that was a surprising thing. Clearly there was

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Speaker 5: something being played that there were no headphones. But in

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Speaker 5: the well inside the courtroom, we were actually in the courtroom,

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Speaker 5: you could hear.

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Speaker 4: Faint moaning, faint talking, faint mumbling. Now when you heard that.

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Speaker 5: Just very faintly, combined to when the jurors were leaning

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Speaker 5: in looking away, wincing, it created just a disgusting scene,

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Speaker 5: super disgusting. Oddly enough, the person that didn't have headphones

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Speaker 5: and didn't have privy to it was Sean Colms, And

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Speaker 5: oddly enough he's the one that later on requested that

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Speaker 5: he have access to watch the freak golf tapes in

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Speaker 1: So what was his response? What was I mean? What

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Speaker 1: can you do? The jury is watching.

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Speaker 2: You butt naked, or maybe he had a burka on,

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Speaker 2: or maybe hearing him directing everybody else about what they

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Speaker 1: They're all looking over at him. What can he do?

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Speaker 1: What did he do?

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what he did. He actually looked like

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Speaker 4: he was a little bit proud. It was odd he

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Speaker 4: I thought he would be shamed in a polder at.

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Speaker 5: Least sit there and try to look like a puppy dog,

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Speaker 5: even though he probably looked like a rabbit rottweiler. Instead,

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Speaker 4: Nancy, I gotta tell you, I was there. I saw him.

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Speaker 4: It seemed like he was proud of what the jurors saw.

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Speaker 5: And I literally sat there and said, he hasn't learned

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Speaker 5: a thing, and if somehow he pulls out a not

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Speaker 4: It was pride in his movements, not a look ashamed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't like when you say if he's found

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Speaker 2: not guilty, he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm.

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Speaker 1: Totally getting my car car bombed. Okay, I like kid Kenny. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no coming.

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Speaker 2: Back from the adddddy and theddty wand I've gotten them

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to come after me.

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Speaker 2: So I've got the juror reactions, I've got Sean Cohn's reactions.

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Speaker 1: What about his legal team.

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Speaker 2: This is when for those of you just joining US States,

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Speaker 2: exhibit Triple X, the freak off Hotel Night, King Night.

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Speaker 2: There's so many ephemissions for this. Most of us call

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Speaker 2: it sex trafficking caught on video. But what was the

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Speaker 2: defense team doing during it? Like taking notes furiously not

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Speaker 2: looking up, saying over and over, this isn't happening, This

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Speaker 1: This is not why I went to law school.

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Speaker 5: So the defense team, listen, they had their game faces on.

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Speaker 5: Most of them were staring just straight.

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Speaker 4: They were trying.

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Speaker 5: They had their poker faces on. If anything, they looked

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Speaker 5: like they were like, this isn't happening, this isn't happening.

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Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, Brian still was kind of leaned into Diddy.

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Speaker 5: Now they were not talking, but it was kind of

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Speaker 5: stopped acting, so gushdarn proud and just sit there or

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Speaker 5: look at the ground. But like you said, I know

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Speaker 5: you don't like to hear about the not guilty. I

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Speaker 5: do not think that the jury even has the evidence

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Speaker 5: did hear that he is manifesting, and he's probably doing

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Speaker 5: blood ritual sacrifices on the rats and roaches in his

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what you just said, Tisa Tales and

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Speaker 2: Sydney Summer. You can back me up on this, Tisa

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Speaker 2: tilS at the get go when you said he's doing

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Speaker 2: voodoo rituals Santa Ria on the rats and roaches in

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Speaker 2: his jail cell, there is actually evidence that before this

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Speaker 1: Did a voodoo ritual. I think it was in Central Park.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to Sidney Sumner on that,

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Speaker 2: and a bird was involved.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull

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Speaker 2: this one out of his you know where.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So I understand what Brian Steel was doing. I

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Speaker 1: know him, not.

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Speaker 2: Socially but through practicing. He's a defense attorney. When I

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now I know that he and every member of this

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Speaker 2: free cough videos. Okay, I know they've seen it. Still

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Speaker 2: may look affable friendly, and he is. He is genuinely

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Speaker 2: affable and friendly, but he's a hard as nails trial lawyer,

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Speaker 2: so I know he's watched all of these videos to

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Speaker 2: be prepared not to react in court.

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Speaker 1: That's really hard to do.

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Speaker 2: I've had to do it a million times when a

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Speaker 2: for the state in the court, you have to act

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Speaker 2: like nothing happened. You cannot show any emotion. But still

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Speaker 2: watching all of that, you know he's a teetotaler, brings

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Speaker 1: Water, that whole thing.

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Speaker 2: So this must have been a shock to the census

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Speaker 2: for Steel. Okay, what about the state, How did they react?

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Speaker 2: I hope they showed no emotion at all.

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Speaker 5: The state did what they needed to do. They showed

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Speaker 5: absolutely no reaction at all. They stayed stared forward and

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Speaker 5: this is what it is, and you guys are going

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Speaker 5: to have to look at the debauchery that this man

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Speaker 5: was proud of.

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Speaker 4: Again, it was a very sobering time.

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Speaker 5: You have the state looking forward sober, You have the

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Speaker 4: Looking forward, looking away, flinching.

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Speaker 5: You have everybody pretty much acting like you said they

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Speaker 5: should be acting or expected, and then you have Diddy

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Speaker 5: in the middle of it, like a rooster proud of

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Speaker 5: what he's done.

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Speaker 4: That man has not learned a thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now that you said rooster.

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Speaker 2: Just in case you think I'm fabricating his whole voodoo ritual.

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Speaker 2: You started this testales not me. You said it straight

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Speaker 2: to Sidney Sumner. Wasn't it something to do with the

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Speaker 1: Just happened to be there.

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Speaker 2: Didn't that voodoo bird ritual have something? Right before his

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Speaker 1: What happened, Sidney Nancy?

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Speaker 6: It was actually the day the verdict of that trial

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Speaker 6: was red, so Colms was accused of having a gun illegally.

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Speaker 6: He was put on trial. Scrapper Shine Barrow claims he's

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Speaker 6: the guy who took the fall for this, but it

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Speaker 6: really was Diddy behind the trigger and Colms apparently went

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Speaker 6: to Central Park with some kind of religious man who

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Speaker 6: was holding a bible burning stage and asked Combs to

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Speaker 6: release a white dove from a cage and Didty's former bodyguard,

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Speaker 6: Jeane Deal, claims that when did, he pulled the berg

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Speaker 6: didn't fly, it was dead, and later that day he

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Speaker 6: was a of all charges.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange

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Speaker 2: for not guilty. Okay, Sidney, thank you for that legal update. Okay,

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Speaker 2: back to TASA Tales outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Guys,

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs on trial in a multi count federal in

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Speaker 2: dietment including charges of sex trafficking and Rico organized crime.

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Speaker 2: TASA Tales. I understand three videos were played by the prosecution.

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Speaker 2: Three of those were provided by Cassie Ventira, and then

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Speaker 2: there was one that I believe starred the Punisher.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, now we were not privy to who starred

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Speaker 5: in what.

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Speaker 4: But earlier the prosecution did actually say that there was

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Speaker 4: actually I think seven to nine videos that they actually recovered.

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Speaker 4: Three of them they.

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Speaker 5: Would actually show in court, and one of them was

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Speaker 5: supposed to feature the Punisher, which is why he was

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Speaker 5: one of the men to actually testify.

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Speaker 2: Now, you stated that during all of this, Brian still

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Speaker 2: kind of leaned over toward Shawn Comes even though they

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Speaker 2: were not talking.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: That is correct?

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Speaker 5: He did the lawyer lean over in almost like he

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Speaker 5: wanted to get his ear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, straight out to Greg Morse joining me Veteran try

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Speaker 2: a lawyer, criminal defense attorney at Morse Legal, author of

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Speaker 2: the untested on Amazon, he is joining us out of

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Speaker 2: the Palm Bates jurisdiction. Morse, when the jury is wincing

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Speaker 2: and hiding behind their hands watching videos of your client,

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Speaker 2: there's really nowhere to hide.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Sidney, Summer, there's so many beatings and

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Speaker 1: I just happened to have notes here. You're right.

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Speaker 2: The person's name is Daniel Phillip, a male stripper who

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Speaker 2: But that said, she came and jumped in a stripper's

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Speaker 7: Again, the prosecution's going to focus on that one instance

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Speaker 1: Hotel nights would last up to thirty hours.

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Speaker 4: There weren't just like bam bam bam, thank you, ma'am,

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Speaker 2: Universe hold that position, arch your back, what breathe in?

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Speaker 1: What we are live.

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Speaker 2: At the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Sean Comebs aka Diddy

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Speaker 2: a multicounp federal indictment including charges for sex trafficking and

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Speaker 2: Rico joining me at the courthouse, Tisa tels investigator and

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Speaker 2: star off Tisa tales on YouTube. I understand the judge

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Speaker 5: What happened, guys, what happened in the courtroom today shocked everybody.

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Speaker 5: Judge Aaron is done playing nice. He went in there

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Speaker 4: It was incredible.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 5: However, there was a leak that actually came out from

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Speaker 5: The judge hinted that it was last night. He didn't

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Speaker 5: Now again, the prosecution was like, it's not us, your honor. However,

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Speaker 4: Judge Aaron means business. It was.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was shocking what happened in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is serious. When there was a leak of that.

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Speaker 2: Magnitude Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Sidy Summer joining

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Speaker 2: US Crime Stories investigative reporter who's been covering the case

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Speaker 2: from the very beginning and really before that seventy summer,

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Speaker 1: To Dateline and they had this very long.

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Speaker 2: And extensive piece on the Coburger investigation where evidence came

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Speaker 6: That's absolutely correct. Judge Stephen Hipler similarly cracked down on

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Speaker 2: Okay, tours coming to mind, freaky perv. But that said

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Speaker 1: End of story. Now, we just heard.

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Speaker 2: From Tisa Tales joining us at the courthouse that the

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining US Director Operations USPA

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Speaker 1: Brian, welcome back, Thank you for.

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Speaker 2: Being with us. You and I have been in a

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Speaker 2: And then sudden they go, oh, no, yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: at the courthouse, Sidney Sumner on the case.

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Speaker 1: Did the judge impose a gag order?

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Speaker 6: Sidney, Yes, at the start of trial there is a

444
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Speaker 6: gag order that no one is allowed to violate. Nobody

445
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Speaker 6: is allowed to be discussing the piece outside of court.

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Speaker 6: So this is a problem.

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Speaker 2: And he was livid, he said, and I quote, this

448
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Speaker 2: is the judge. He looked over at Agnifilo, the lead

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Speaker 2: defense attorney, and at the state. Quote, there is no

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Speaker 2: passing the buck anymore. The buck stops with you. If

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Speaker 2: anything happens, lead counsel is responsible r ro Okay. Once

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Speaker 2: you lose your credibility in court, it's over. I don't

453
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Speaker 2: know if the judge would chew out the attorney that's

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Speaker 2: responsible for the league in front of the jury.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, No, he wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: He would do it outside the jury's presence because otherwise

457
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Speaker 2: it could be grounds for a mistrial. You know another

458
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Speaker 2: issue in court, Sidney Sumner. We've already lost Juror number

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Speaker 2: six because he was less than candid about where he lived.

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Speaker 2: You cannot live outside the jurisdiction and sit on a jury. Now,

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Speaker 2: there is an issue with Juror number seven, Okay. Now,

462
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Speaker 2: it's my understanding that Juror seven had either received or

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Speaker 2: sent or both texts to a colleague regarding this case.

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Speaker 1: What's the status on that, Sydney Sumner.

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Speaker 6: Well, what we know about Juror number seven is that

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Speaker 6: they apparently talked about the case improperly with a former colleague,

467
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Speaker 6: and we don't know too much about what exactly happened.

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Speaker 6: But the judge pushed off dealing with this issue for

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Speaker 6: a number of days now, so we are expected to

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Speaker 6: have a ruling on it soon.

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Speaker 2: Another issue in the courtroom is seemingly a missing witness.

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Speaker 2: What happened to Sean Combs's chief of staff, Christina Koram?

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Speaker 1: Is she not going to take the stand and if not,

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Speaker 1: why not?

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Speaker 9: Cassie Ventura and Christina Koram's text are shown to the jury.

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Speaker 9: Cassie texted Korum wtf, to which Korum asks if Cassie

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Speaker 9: is okay. Cassie writes, no one deserves being dragged by

478
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Speaker 9: their hair. I locked the door for my safety. Cassie

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Speaker 9: also texts that she doesn't have her belongings or any money,

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Speaker 9: to which Korum says she will try to talk to

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Speaker 9: Combs and help Cassie get her stuff.

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Speaker 4: The worst Netflix until in the world.

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Speaker 6: Two hundred bottles of baby oil and nine hundred bottles

484
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Speaker 6: of astroblide.

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Speaker 1: Hold it right there, all right, you're back bread in

486
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Speaker 1: rhino pails.

487
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Speaker 3: He's in control of everything, beat.

488
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Speaker 2: Her and subjective her to three male escorts. She was

489
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Speaker 2: the sex sleeve and he's asking for his very own

490
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Speaker 2: dateline special.

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Speaker 1: I just want to wash my mouth out with.

492
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Speaker 2: Lestrine, with lysol, with rubbing alcohol after I talk about

493
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Speaker 2: the Sean Comb's case, and I suspect some of the

494
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Speaker 2: jurrs feel the same way because when they were.

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Speaker 1: Watching the States exhibit triple X the freak off videos,

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Speaker 1: they were.

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Speaker 2: Actually turning away from the monitor went seeing visibly hiding

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Speaker 2: their faces.

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Speaker 1: Do you blame them? But now.

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Speaker 2: Mary freak cough Christmas everybody?

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Speaker 9: Special Agent Penland also reads text from January twenty thirteen

502
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Speaker 9: where Combs ask Cassie Ventura if she wants to celebrate

503
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Speaker 9: a late Christmas with a four man freakof Comb's text Adventura,

504
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Speaker 9: word for word, want to celebrate Christmas and have a

505
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 9: freak off tomorrow or Friday. Ventura then got to work

506
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 9: hiring the men with staggered arrivals for January eleventh and twelfth,

507
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Speaker 9: reaching out to three men personally and arranging for the

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Speaker 9: fourth from an escort service.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall again, I need a shrink and a drink,

510
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Speaker 2: but says time I tay toy learn how to settle

511
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Speaker 2: for just a shrink.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that guy's Bethany Marshall.

513
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us out of the LA jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: She is the author of deal Breaker. You can see

515
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Speaker 2: her now on Peacock and you can find her at

516
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Speaker 2: Doctorbethany Marshall dot com. Did you hear that, Mary Christmas,

517
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Speaker 2: you want to celebrate a late Christmas with me with

518
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Speaker 2: a four man freakoff?

519
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Speaker 1: In other words, you have sex with four sex workers.

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Speaker 3: You know, Nancy, I hear's somebody who's compulsive and addicted

521
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Speaker 3: in terms of compulsivity sex addiction. One of the things

522
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Speaker 3: we know about sex addiction is that the thoughts of

523
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Speaker 3: sex or whatever, the fetishized view of sex is become

524
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Speaker 3: so prominent in the perpetrator's mind that they often can't focus.

525
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Speaker 3: Often they can't even hold down a job, or they

526
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Speaker 3: present as somebody with attention deficit disorder because their mind

527
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: keeps drifting to sex. And then in terms of addiction,

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Speaker 3: you know, we think of sex as driving these free coughs,

529
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: but there's so much drugs involved. And I hear in

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Speaker 3: the testimony that he'll say, you know, I'll be up

531
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Speaker 3: for twenty four hours or forty eight hours, or there's

532
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Speaker 3: some chatter back and forth and the text about that.

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Speaker 3: And to me, Nancy, I think methamphetamine, that's the one

534
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Speaker 3: drug that could keep somebody up for that many days.

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Speaker 3: And we know with methamphetamine especially in homicide, there's often overkill.

536
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: So if he already likes power and violence and he's

537
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Speaker 3: on meth, that's even going to ratchet up the level,

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00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: and Nancy real quickly the jurors wincing. Wincing is an

539
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: instinctual response to loss of life. It's like seeing a

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00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: plane fall out of the sky, or a big dog barking,

541
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Speaker 3: or a spider or someone ejected from a car. If

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00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: they are when seeing, they're not just viewing sex, They're

543
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Speaker 3: viewing battery. What is being done to these women? Are

544
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: they being sodomized? Are they being chained in compromising positions?

545
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: Are they so out of it they don't know what's happening?

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Speaker 1: Then?

547
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Speaker 3: Are they being whipped? I would be so curious to

548
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Speaker 3: know what are they seeing that is life threatening?

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Speaker 10: The way you just said that, doctor Bethany, it's overwhelming,

550
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 10: It really is, because those videos are placing the jurors

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Speaker 10: at the Free.

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Speaker 2: Coughs crime stories with Nancy Grace and Lin Shaw joining me,

553
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Speaker 2: founder director of Lynn's Warriors, an organization committed to ending

554
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking and sex abuse of women and girls. When

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Speaker 2: I say the words freak cough, it's like eating a

556
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: sandwich frea cough, hotel night, King Night. Wow, that's certainly

557
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: airbrushing the whole scenario. Putting perfume on the pig. It's torture,

558
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: it's sex abuse, it's coerced rape.

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00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: Freak cough. That sounds like it could be a music festival.

560
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Speaker 2: Hotel night, that sounds like a fun getaway right where

561
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: the twins and I would camp out on the bed,

562
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: order room service whoo right, and King Night, it's anything

563
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Speaker 2: but that for the victims.

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Speaker 11: Has anyone heard of sexual servitude? This is part with

565
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Speaker 11: the justice system now, we are working into sex trafficking.

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Speaker 11: It is coercion, it is forced it is fraud, sexual servitude.

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Speaker 11: We've seen the testimony. We've heard they were forced into this,

568
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 11: they were under the influence, they were threatened with their lives,

569
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Speaker 11: family members were threatened. We've heard so much. This dirty

570
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Speaker 11: ditty freak fest is a great, big fu not only

571
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Speaker 11: to all of us, but to all of the alleged

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Speaker 11: victims of his and to all all of the victims

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Speaker 11: of any sort of sexual exploitation and abuse across America,

574
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Speaker 11: across the globe. And you know what, this is his playbook.

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Speaker 11: I keep going back to thinking he's smiling. He's thinking

576
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 11: he won because you know what his playbook is, money talks,

577
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 11: crime walks. I'm very concerned about this because we've got

578
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Speaker 11: to think about and we're not talking enough about them,

579
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Speaker 11: the victims. Where is this Christina Korum? I've been asking

580
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Speaker 11: for weeks now, is she going to testify?

581
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Speaker 4: She is? She isn't?

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Speaker 11: We don't know why isn't she testifying? She is the

583
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 11: right hand. We have proof, we have text messages she

584
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 11: knew about this. We need more information, but you know what,

585
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 11: the women. The bottom line here is all of these

586
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 11: alleged victims, survivors of this dirty ditty degenerate. Their lives

587
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 11: will never be the same. We may never know names

588
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 11: hear from them. Their lives are ruined because you know what,

589
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Speaker 11: you don't get over abuse like this.

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Speaker 5: But I want.

591
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Speaker 11: Everybody to know about sexual servitude equals sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Morse.

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Speaker 2: When you give your wife a Christmas gift and you

594
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Speaker 2: say Merry Christmas, sweetheart, she's probably expecting something like diamond

595
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: earrings or a bracelet instead of Hey, merry Christmas, I

596
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Speaker 2: just order four male sex workers enjoy.

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Speaker 7: Well, you're right, that's that's something I would get as

598
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Speaker 7: a gift for a significant other in my life. But

599
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Speaker 7: it doesn't seem like from the text that were read

600
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Speaker 7: that Cassie rejected it. She went and contacted the four men.

601
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Speaker 7: So while this is overwhelmingly insane to think of the

602
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 7: sex acts and this orgy again, it's not like she said,

603
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Speaker 7: I don't want to do this. Please stop making me.

604
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Speaker 7: Let's take a break.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how do I hire the people?

606
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I think she asked for that fat

607
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Speaker 2: lip and those bruises on the side of her stomach

608
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: and that guests to her forehead.

609
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Speaker 1: Would she ask for that?

610
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Speaker 7: You're boots trapping two spherate crimes.

611
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: P Diddy orchestrates the entire scene, vomiting, forced to have

612
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Speaker 2: sex with three male sex workers. She turned around, and

613
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: this demon is standing eighteen hour sex marathon on video.

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Speaker 4: You're not gonna olf up my night.

615
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Speaker 1: He's in control of everything.

616
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: You better take this f and pill.

617
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Speaker 2: You better get on your job.

618
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Speaker 4: That's really, That's that's all it is.

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Speaker 1: Did he speaking in code? Wow? It took me a

620
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Speaker 1: full five seconds to crack that.

621
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Speaker 2: The text messages that he sends all sorts of people

622
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Speaker 2: include code words. Well, let's just say you don't need

623
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: the code breakers at Bletchley Squared figured this out.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

625
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 12: Ananya Sintkar reads aloud messages from Comb's assistant Ryan Lopez

626
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Speaker 12: to Christina Korum. Lol, I think I saw one of

627
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Speaker 12: the cowboys today. You can spot them in a lobby

628
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 12: like an escort. I forgot to tell you about it.

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Speaker 12: Korum texted back for laughing face emojis with btw helong.

630
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Speaker 12: Is he going to stay awake? Lopez replies, Lol, I'm

631
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Speaker 12: guessing until tomorrow night. Cowboys is a possible reference to

632
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 12: the Cowboys and Angels service did he allegedly used for

633
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Speaker 12: hotel nights and free coughs?

634
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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, Really, I mean dope dealers use code words

635
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: a lot, and they're always horrible. Here we've got Combs

636
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: referring to cowboys. The sex workers work for the Cowboys

637
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: and Angels sex service one of the male prostitute services

638
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: that Combs use, so he would refer to them as

639
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: cowboys in the code. He also refers to hotel night

640
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: and free coughs. I've got a lot more.

641
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Speaker 1: But how dumb are these people?

642
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Speaker 8: Not a very sophisticated code here, as you said, it's

643
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 8: not going to require British intelligence to crack this one,

644
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 8: particularly when they have, you know, all the other communications

645
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 8: from the Cowboys and Angels agency. So this is just

646
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 8: a peek into how unsophisticated their communications were.

647
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: You know what, I think it goes a little bit

648
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Speaker 1: further than that, Fitzgibbons. I think it's arrogance.

649
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: You are running a criminal enterprise where you have Oh,

650
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: by the way, Fitz Gibbs, let me just throw this in.

651
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: The fifth person. I think it's five. I'm losing count

652
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: sid correct me if I'm wrong. Has just gotten immunity.

653
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: It's Brandon Paul. I think is the drug mule, right, Yeah,

654
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Speaker 2: I wondered when he got a cheap player.

655
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Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, They got him coming off.

656
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: A plane with a satchel full of dope and he's

657
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: got a light deal. Why he must be going to testify,

658
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: And sure enough, he just got immunity. Speaking of five minions,

659
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Speaker 2: as I call them, some were employees, some are loosely associated,

660
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: like this guy, Brandon Paul was an employee on the payroll,

661
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: but he was doing comes is bidding, carrying his dope.

662
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: According to prosecutors, five have taken immunity so far right,

663
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 2: So he's got all of them talking back and forth

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Speaker 2: in code right now, hold on, here's some more there.

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00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 5: He is.

666
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: What a fine fellow. I hope he can sing really

667
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: well on the stand. Okay, listen to this, mis Gibbons.

668
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 13: The jury has shown text between Combe's staff planning hotel

669
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 13: nights Diddy and Cassie with Korum and other staff discussing

670
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 13: getting four thousand dollars cash to the hotel koram Tell's

671
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 13: assistant Dave. Shirley heads up, He's probably about to do

672
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 13: wild King tonight. Shirley responds, need to re up on

673
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 13: baby oil. The jury also sees a text from Korum

674
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 13: to Cassie. Hi, Dave is at your door with the

675
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 13: green gee.

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00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: I wonder what green is Fitzgibbons money.

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00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 8: These texts and this evidence that they're presenting to the

678
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 8: jurors is something that we talked about right at the

679
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 8: beginning of this case, that the prosecution is going to

680
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 8: show the organizational structure and the delegation of tasks coming

681
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 8: directly from Diddy. So this is all laying a tremendous

682
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 8: foundation for that rico charge.

683
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Okay, it ain't over yet listen to this.

684
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 13: The jury views a series of text messages between Comb's

685
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 13: and Christina Korum discussing a package that Guido, the drug dealer,

686
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 13: drops off for Korum to deal with. In another text thread,

687
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 13: Comb's head of security, Fahim Mohammad, gets approval to pay

688
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 13: Guido thousands of dollars for drugs, while another text thread,

689
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 13: including Comb's accountant, references flower meaning marijuana. The drug commonly

690
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 13: referred to as molly MDMA is also discussed when Koram

691
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 13: asked Combs to tell Mohammed what he needs to pick

692
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 13: up before his flight to Miami. Comb's text molly fifteen

693
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 13: bills Combs.

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Speaker 4: You're boring me.

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00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: Throw me a real puzzle here. I mean, Gibbons, marijuana

696
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: is flower molly? Okay, they're talking about MDMA.

697
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. They call the

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00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: drug dealer Guido. Please stop it, Fitzgibbons. I mean, it's

699
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: so obvious, but I'm going to.

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00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Go back to doctor Bethany in just a moment. But

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Speaker 2: I want to hear your take on the codes, and

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00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: there's so many more.

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00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out a few right now. Fitzgibbons.

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Speaker 8: I think you made the salient point, Nancy, that this

705
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 8: is potentially no code at all, and this is just

706
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 8: a display of arrogance that you know, they felt completely

707
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 8: immune to any prosecution.

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00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: You know, earlier you said they were just dumb, and

709
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: then you jumped on it when I said arrogant.

710
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: Now you're riding that train.

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00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Fine because they're not mutually exclusive, but go ahead. It's

712
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: still my thought, uh, doctor Bethany Marshall. The arrogance that

713
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: anybody can figure this ou like that's protecting them. And

714
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Speaker 2: not only it's evidence of a crime, it's evidence of

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00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: trying to cover up the crime. The euphemisms for forced

716
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: ubie right morse, forced orgies with male sex workers, referring

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00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: to dope drugs as flower and molly. I mean, there's

718
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: so many, but the arrogance of it, Hey, nobody's ever

719
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: going to look at my phone. I'm never going to

720
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: get in trouble for this. I can do whatever I

721
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: want with impunity. That's what it's about. And you know what, wait,

722
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: he could because there was that moment that really struck

723
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Speaker 2: me when Cassie was getting beaten in front of a

724
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Speaker 2: group of people as she turned.

725
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: To them with her big fat lip and said, is

726
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: nobody seeing this?

727
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: And apparently nobody was. Hear no evil, see no evil,

728
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: speak no.

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Speaker 1: Evil, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: He keeps dressing up really perverse, horrible, sadistic crimes as

731
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Speaker 3: being some better than they are. Oh it's a hotel night.

732
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: He does not know that we see in him. What

733
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: is really going on all this language. Not only is

734
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: it arrogant, it really sanitizes something very very dark. And

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Speaker 3: you know one other point, when he went into the

736
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Speaker 3: other room with Cassie and the sex worker, could hear

737
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: him slapping her, beating her? You know, the panel is

738
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: talking about this as assault. I thought he was probably

739
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: trying to get his direction back. I mean, sadism is

740
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: a key component of his arousal pattern. So what are

741
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: you going to do if you can't get aroused enough

742
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: or you've done it too many times in one night?

743
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: You go beat your girlfriend. You beat them as much

744
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: as possible and hope other people are listening and that

745
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Speaker 3: it gets back on track.

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Speaker 2: And now we remember an American hero, Officer Joseph Berson,

747
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Holly Springs, PD, just twenty five killed in a line

748
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Speaker 2: of duty, survived by why Mary Kate, American hero twenty

749
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Speaker 2: five year old Joseph Berson, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,