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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for dake Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that woo woo? And no them and tie?

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein, Hello you. You are not in your normal studio.

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Speaker 3: From what I can gather, you look different. I am.

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Speaker 2: I am not in my studio. I am searching for

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Speaker 2: Carmen San Diego on the sunny shores of Mexico. I

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Speaker 2: timed this vacation. There was a lot of behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes negotiations about going away for a winter break while

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Speaker 2: the kids are out of school, but also while the

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Speaker 2: college football playoff is happening, so it was very strategic

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Speaker 2: and successful. I might add in that I am in

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Speaker 2: a sunnier place than the Chicago burbs. And I'm also

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Speaker 2: able to talk to you about Camp Scataboo, Ashton Genty,

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Speaker 2: Nick Singleton at Trevor ETN. The lack of Riley Mills,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to talk about, ty.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you have faster internet down there than

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Speaker 3: I'm having a harder time with that than almost anything

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Speaker 2: It's almost too fast, Hi, it's almost too fast down here,

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Speaker 2: closer to the equator.

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Speaker 3: Well, welcome one, Welcome all, whether you are up north

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Speaker 3: into the for baller hood. Hope everybody had a happy

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Speaker 3: holiday season. We have much to get into. We've got

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Speaker 3: college football playoff quarterfinals. We're going to preview four games

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Speaker 3: on today's episode, those of course being the Fiesta, the Peach,

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Speaker 3: We've got four big games. Unless you have anything that

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've had a lot of portal action. I've

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Speaker 2: watched some of the Bowl games, which I'm excited to

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've had injuries and a lot of takes.

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Speaker 2: The takes are continuing, or maybe the takes have died

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Speaker 2: down a little bit. Maybe the holidays Christmas time has

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Speaker 3: You hate to see it, Ty, you hate to see

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Speaker 3: it does make for interesting fodder though here on the podcast,

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Speaker 3: These are your college football playoff quarterfinals.

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Speaker 1: Let's start on New Year's Eve. Dan, Yes, you know

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Speaker 1: I love the games on New Year's Eve. I think

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Speaker 2: there are levels. I think there are moments that Penn

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Speaker 2: Very few people are that's okay. They got out of

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Speaker 2: You stop Boise State one easier said than done. Two

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Speaker 2: Let's let's do that. That's the worry to me that

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Speaker 2: that becomes the question of, like, what's Boise State's plan

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Speaker 2: it's easy, fresh and genty to keep this Boise offense

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Speaker 1: Well, I think.

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Speaker 3: I think you can run. I think they'll score. I

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Speaker 1: But they're going to.

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Speaker 3: it's nowhere near enough to win. They're gonna need something

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Speaker 1: So that's the first thing.

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Speaker 3: My issue with Boise though, is not the offense. It's

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Speaker 3: But I think, particularly in this matchup, given what I

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Speaker 3: just good at getting the right people in space right matchups.

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Speaker 1: That in and of itself.

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Speaker 3: Could be enough to give Drew Aller license to go

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Speaker 2: What's the James Franklin line against the spread? The number

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Speaker 3: I think it's This was from Jeff Schwartz, our friend

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Speaker 3: I think it's something like seven to twenty one points

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think this game is gonna come down to

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Speaker 2: I don't think Penn State is gonna blow the doors

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Speaker 2: On offense, They've got good running backs. I think they

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Speaker 2: have very good running backs. Obviously, they're the best tight

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Speaker 2: for me. Drew Aller still doesn't do a ton for

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Speaker 2: obviously some key passes against Oregon TBD against a Boise

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Speaker 2: I think the Boise offensive line is good, but I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think this is a bit of a

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Speaker 2: I think eventually it's a fourteen point win for Penn State.

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Speaker 2: I think eventually it's thirty one seventeen. I think maybe

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Speaker 2: But as we've seen with Penn State this season, they've

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Speaker 2: addressing these elements of SMU's defense. That's interesting to me

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Speaker 2: the season thirty one seventeen Penn State. I actually think

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Speaker 3: Can see again not a great tackling team. I'll bring

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Speaker 2: And it's not only just not a good tackling team

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Speaker 2: Organ got all sorts of caddy wampus one of my

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Speaker 2: Where's Tyler Warren? And so linebackers were missing lanes, safeties

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Speaker 4: And there's no bull Forrabula in this one.

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Speaker 3: By the way, No bo Nope, Boas signed. It's to

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Speaker 3: Miszoo one point five million dollar deal. Good for him

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Speaker 3: He has found I guess greener pastors. I hope he

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Speaker 3: to play. I'm going Penn State thirty four to twenty

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Speaker 4: Oh, relatively close. Not a cover.

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Speaker 3: Well, I and I could see it being like thirty

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Speaker 1: It just feels like too much. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Boise's bad team. I think Boise belongs

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Speaker 3: I just don't think they have enough ammo to pull

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Speaker 2: And Penn State not incredible this year away from home.

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Speaker 2: You look at the USC game, you look at the

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Speaker 2: What is the path for Boise State, by the way,

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Speaker 2: to win this game.

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Speaker 3: The path is coming up with something other than Ashton

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Speaker 3: Gent that's the path. The path is finding some way

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Speaker 3: to replicate what we saw Oregon do against Penn State's defense.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they could win this game and a

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Speaker 3: They got to score points, and in order to score points,

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Speaker 3: you're going to need more than just Ashton Gent. So

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Speaker 3: they're gonna need a big game from Ashton for sure,

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Speaker 2: I think if they can get okay, so I would

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Speaker 2: that is short fields. Yeah, of course, punt returned deep

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Speaker 2: You know there's a fumbled snap that Boys is able

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Speaker 2: two instances of extreame ease of drive well ending then

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Speaker 2: about a twenty three percent chance of winning this game

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Speaker 2: because it's I don't know, it's college football if you've

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Speaker 3: For Boise and special teams not Boise's strength this year either. No,

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Speaker 1: You've got the cover. I do not. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: New Year's Day, Dan, Hey, twenty twenty five, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 3: Maybe first game on Wednesday, January the First You're Of

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Speaker 3: Award twenty twenty five, one pm, Chick fil A Peach

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Speaker 3: Bowl in Atlanta. It is the number five seed, the

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Speaker 3: Texas Longhorns. It is the number four seed the Arizona

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Speaker 3: Thirteen and a half point favorite. This is a Joe

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Speaker 3: Tess Jesse Palmer game leading us off in the new year, Dan,

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Speaker 3: what can we say about these teams? Like two conference newcomers.

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Speaker 3: You could argue that no team finished the year hotter

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Speaker 3: out in this matchup, the fact that Kenny Dillingham in

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00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 3: year two won a new conference seemingly has this team

437
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 3: way ahead of schedule. If nothing more, is going to

438
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to get out there and improve the roster.

439
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 3: Maybe on the back of this performance that we saw

440
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: this season and might see in this game. I mean,

441
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 3: all of these everything's coming up Kenny Dillingham in Arizona State,

442
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 3: so I feel excited for him. I feel excited for

443
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 3: this team to just be in this game. I realize

444
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 3: if you're an Arizona State fans, probably not what you want

445
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: to hear. I wish I felt better about AS's cham

446
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: in this matchup, but I just wanted to take a

447
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 3: knee for a second and call out what a hell

448
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: of a job he's done.

449
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: It's been incredible, course, absolutely incredible.

450
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 4: Padding him on the head.

451
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't mean it.

452
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: Like that, but I guess I understand what you're saying.

453
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: Your I think your spirit is true.

454
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: I have two big problems with ASU in this matchup, Okay.

455
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: The first is that the offense is somewhat telegraphed right

456
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 3: now because they lost their best receiver Jordan Tyson, one

457
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,239
Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen targets throughout the course of the year,

458
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: got hurt in that Arizona game. This is going to

459
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: be the Camp Scataboo show, and you know it, and

460
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: I know it, and everybody on the Texas side knows

461
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: it as well. It's gonna be the Camp Scataboo show.

462
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: If we know it they know it. This defense is

463
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 3: going to be ready for him, and however they try

464
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 3: to line him up, whatever matchups they try to exploit.

465
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 3: The second thing is, and I think this is probably

466
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 3: the bigger issue. This is not a defense that creates pressure.

467
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 3: This is also not a defense that tackles well, which

468
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: I think could set up a more extreme example of

469
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: what we saw against Clemson. Right It could be very

470
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: easily a repeat effort of what Texas showed on the

471
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: ground in that game against Texas, with I guess the

472
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: added kicker of them not being able to get pressure.

473
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: On Quinn viewers and force mistakes, which they're.

474
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: Going to need to do if they don't force mistakes,

475
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 3: if they can't flip the field, if they're not playing

476
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: with short fields in this one. I am not counting

477
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: on this offense to go like thirteen plays, seven and

478
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 3: a half minutes long clock eating drives or anything like that.

479
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: Not against this defense.

480
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 3: They're going to need to force some of those mistakes,

481
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: and I'm just not sure how they're going to do

482
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: it defensively. If they are not getting in Quinn's phase.

483
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: I think that's the only way to keep it in

484
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: striking distance. So fairly obvious questions, right, I mean, the

485
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 3: offense is telegraphed, the defense maybe not doing enough in

486
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: this match to get the kinds of game changing plays

487
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: they need to flip this one on Texas.

488
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at.

489
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: Two things at play here, Well, okay, so sorry, something

490
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: at play for these first two games that I'm going

491
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: to pay attention to. I don't know how much of

492
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: an impact it's going to have, but I'm curious what's

493
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: the travel situation going to be like for Penn State

494
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: and Texas in games that they have been told repeatedly

495
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: by goobers like myself and goobers like Ty Hildenbrand of

496
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: Eastern Pa be kind that they got this easy path.

497
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Eastern Pa is a goober place. I'm

498
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: saying you're a goober. Play you are a goober and.

499
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm a goober.

500
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: Fair where we're saying, look at this glide path for

501
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: Penn State, look at this glide path for Texas. Getting

502
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: a Clemson team that arguably shouldn't be here, Getting an

503
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: Arizona State team who is fully off of the map

504
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: for a playoff bit a few weeks ago, and surge

505
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: Forward doesn't have their best resis Jordan Tyson. And what

506
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: is the travel situation going to be, Like our Penn

507
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: State fans and Texas fans going to be like, well

508
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: we should I don't know. Let's save our money, our

509
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: hotel money, and our flight money for you know, for

510
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Texas would be playing in the Cotton

511
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Bowl if they win this game. I believe that's right.

512
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: So that's an easier travel situation, easier tickets. You're like,

513
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: maybe I will wait for the Cotton Bowl.

514
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 3: I know State fans, I know more than a few

515
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 3: Penn State fans out of Orange Bowl tickets, right that

516
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: got orange? Just like for Christmas that are starting to

517
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: look ahead?

518
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we?

519
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: You know, Miami seems a little bit more fun at

520
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: this moment than Arizona and man Penn State. Maybe against

521
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Penn State, maybe against Georgia. I just wonder

522
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: if Penn Staters are painting Arizona blue, whereas I think

523
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: Boise fans are absolutely painting Arizona blue. Like you talk

524
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: about de facto super Bowls. This is the biggest game

525
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: for Arizona State since the Rose Bowl and whatever it

526
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: was ninety six, The biggest game for Boise State, probably

527
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: since the Festa Bowl and any of those BCS level

528
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: bulls do not compare to the stakes involved in this game,

529
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: so humongous travel deals and I'll say this sand deals.

530
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: I'll say this for the sake of the playoff and

531
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: if only to spike the football on some of the

532
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: naysayers out there, sure it would definitely behoove the new

533
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: playoff system for one of the so called cinderellas to

534
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: win a game, right, for the these not to be

535
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: blow out at a minimum, for these not to be blots,

536
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: but for an ASU for a Boise State to pull

537
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: an upset. I don't think the upsets are going to happen, okay,

538
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: but right if only.

539
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: To kind of counter the narrative right now, which it's

540
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: not coming from me, you know, I still like the system,

541
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: but to counter the narrative, that would probably be the

542
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: best thing for the at least short term health of

543
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: the system. Do you feel similarly though with me on

544
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: the as side, Like, I get that there's an emotional

545
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: lift here being in this game. I mentioned the momentum

546
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: that they closed out the season with. It's definitely been tangible, right,

547
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: I just don't see how that gets them to victory

548
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: against Texas. You know, like, I've got real questions about

549
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: this team against a better opponent in Texas that on

550
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 3: the surface do not appear to have answers.

551
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: And to be fair full disclosure, you picked Iowa State

552
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: to win the Big.

553
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: Twelve champions picked Arizona. I picked trounced. I picked Iowa

554
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 3: State to beat Arizona State.

555
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love that Kenny Dillingham is Arizona State's

556
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: coach for a game like this, especially after seeing Kurt

557
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: Signetty coach against Notre Dame. I love that Kenny Dillingham

558
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: is like I'm emptying this playbook at all times, at

559
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: all times, like they are playing for obviously, everybody's playing

560
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: for national championship. It would be the biggest win in

561
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: Arizona State history to win this game on this stage.

562
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: And Kenny Dillingham has proven nothing if not that he

563
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: is a fearless head coach and a fearless play caller.

564
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: So that I really like. I really like that Arizona

565
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: State has been great in the red zone, has been

566
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: great on third downs. Hate that Arizona State. You can

567
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: fact check me on this. I don't have the numbers

568
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: in front of me, but I believe Arizona State is

569
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: one of the poorer third down defenses in America. They

570
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: struggle to get off the field, and I hate that

571
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: against the Texas team who has been running as well

572
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: as they have. Here's the interesting thing to me, though

573
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: Arizona State is a good defensive front. This is a

574
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: pretty good defense, and they're going up against a Texas

575
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: offensive line who has at the very least a nicked

576
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: up center who left the Clemson game, but I think

577
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: is going to be okay. Cam Williams, the right tackle,

578
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: did not I mean, got hurt in the Clemson game.

579
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: We'll see on his status, But it's Steve Sarkisian's being

580
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: a little bit coy about it, where he's like, yeah,

581
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, we're really happy that we've had a bunch

582
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: of interchangeable offensive linemen who can play different spots, and

583
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: we're really happy with the way different guys stepped in.

584
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Calvin Banks missed the SEC Championship game, and I think

585
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: the game before that the starting left tackle. So as

586
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: well as they ran against Clemson, it seemed to be

587
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: more of a group effort. Like quinn Ewers made checks

588
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: at the line. They had tight ends who were holding

589
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: their own in the run game, And so I wonder

590
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: if there is something creative now knowing that this is

591
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: an especially beat up Texas offensive line, that it's not

592
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: just Kenny Dillingham in the offense throwing at Texas, it's

593
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: that they get super creative on defense, knowing that Quinn

594
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: Eewers hasn't been the best in these huge games, hasn't

595
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: been the best in terms of accuracy and decision making

596
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 2: in these huge games, that this is just a ghost

597
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: defense for Arizona State in terms of just constantly seeing ghosts,

598
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: constantly showing things, taking things away, and they're not able

599
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: to dictate what they want to dictate. On offense, we've

600
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: seen them have red zone issues this season. They were

601
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: better in the red zone against Clemson, but that's still

602
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: been like what's your word tie a.

603
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Bugaboo A bugaboo? Yeah, can go buddy boo.

604
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: Instead of Quinn you weres scoring, it's Burt Auburn scoring

605
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: when it's fourth and goal from the thirteen or something.

606
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: Because they had a penalty and this has been a

607
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: penalized offensive line. So that's something to me I wonder

608
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: about in terms of a path Arizona State has, taking

609
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: advantage of decision making, taking advantage of the offensive line,

610
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: a beat up offensive line for Texas. The running backs

611
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: being healthy is big, but I think Jayden Blue missed

612
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: an I think you only had a couple carries in

613
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: the second half against Clemson. It was much more a

614
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Wisener effort. Or maybe I'm flip flopping those two. That

615
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: to me is interesting that there is this thought. And

616
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: what's the number again that Texas is favored by thirteen

617
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: and a half points. Thirteen and a half points, it's

618
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: a lot of points. We saw them lose a very

619
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: winnable game against Washington last year fumbles from the running backs,

620
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: and obviously Washington had receivers that ASU just doesn't have,

621
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: and so got Michael Penick drafted in the top ten,

622
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: probably with how good he was against Texas. I just

623
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: think the path to beating Texas is probably through the

624
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: air and taking advantage of the secondary the way that

625
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: Clemson was able to do. I just you have to

626
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: have that front probably to overwhelm this beat up Texas

627
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: offensive line. We saw it from Georgia a couple times.

628
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: I just don't think ASU is on that level. To me, though,

629
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: it feels like too many points. Okay, I just there

630
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: is something creatively kitchen sinky about Kenny Dillingham and Sam Levitt,

631
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, at his second stop as a college quarterback.

632
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: I know there's no Jordan Tyson. The creativity to use

633
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: Cam Skataboo and Texas in this spot. It just it

634
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: gives me a little bit of pause that, you know,

635
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bond was hurt before the Clemson game, Like they're

636
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: not at one hundred percent. There's not a guy that

637
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: is like the most dangerous clear, most dangerous weekend week

638
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: out receiver. For Texas. I think they're the better team.

639
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: I just think they win by eight to ten points

640
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: instead of two touchdowns plus. So I think ASU can

641
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: do just enough and I don't know, just enough in

642
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: the red zone and maybe take advantage of a Texas

643
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: mistake in the red zone. I'm gonna say thirty to

644
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: twenty one right now.

645
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: Texas well the creative kitchen sinki approach, which also cuts

646
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: both ways totally, because it's great. There's a well that's

647
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: that's true. Sarka is great, but there's a real chance

648
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: here that Texas is going to go up on ASU

649
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: and Kenny Dillingham is going to pull the exact opposite

650
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: of Kurt Signetti. He's not going to punt from midfield.

651
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: He's going to go for it. They're going to keep

652
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: going and going and going, and keep trying to hit

653
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: it until something strikes. And one of the risks that

654
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: comes with being super aggressive mistakes giving another team a

655
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: short field free points. That was sort of my train

656
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: of thought with respect to this game. I've got it

657
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: at forty one to twenty three Texas. I think Texas wins.

658
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: I think they cover, but I think, weirdly, it's like

659
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: an entertaining forty one twenty three.

660
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I think it's always going.

661
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: To be entertaining with Dillingham in Arizona State, especially this

662
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: version of Arizona State, which probably to your point, feels

663
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: like they are in a de facto national championship game.

664
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: They are compelled to leave it all out on the field.

665
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: I mean, these are the types of games that you

666
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: do want to watch. You want to see a team

667
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: in that position.

668
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't know Texas is quite there.

669
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Texas probably looked at the matchup and saw what I saw,

670
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: which is they've got a real advantage.

671
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Now they're not bulletproof.

672
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody is, not even your Oregon ducs

673
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: who will talk about next Everybody's got their flaws this season,

674
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: but it just feels to me like Texas is much

675
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: more of a finished product, many more ways to beat you,

676
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: albeit with the beat up offensive line, maybe some knicks

677
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: and cuts elsewhere. I just don't see the ASU defense

678
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: providing enough resistance.

679
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, they're not. Their numbers are not.

680
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: Bad, but I am looking specifically at tackling numbers, which

681
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: I think are a problem against the Texas ground game,

682
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: which has gotten very good. I'm also looking at those

683
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: pressure stats, which just have not been there all season,

684
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: and I think the combination of those two factors makes

685
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: it a little bit easier than it needs to be

686
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: for Texas to go down the field and score and

687
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: get one over on these guys. So forty one to

688
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: twenty three is my final.

689
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the interesting the running game is going to be

690
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: everything after that Clemson game for Texas. Right, it's ASU's

691
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: gap discipline and where their eyes are, you know. Texts

692
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: obviously runs a lot of outside zone stuff, so running

693
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: backs choosing the gap they want to hit hard and

694
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: is an ASU, dude there or not, that's going to

695
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: be you know, to to oversimplify things, and I think

696
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: that's going to be a huge, huge deal. And then

697
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: just protecting quin yours and I agree, what is the

698
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: role of arch manning in big spots on running downs

699
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: where they want to show something different? But yeah, I'm

700
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: trying to think of like the like if Kenny Dillingham

701
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: had Clemson's roster, that.

702
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: Is interesting to me.

703
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: Sure if if Kenny Dillingham like look and if I

704
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: had wheels, I'd be a bicycle that kind of thing.

705
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: But like, I just think it's so young in Kenny

706
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: Dillingham's tenure in terms of a roster needed to win

707
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 2: a game like this that in year three or four,

708
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: I think with a little bit more proven popa Ryley

709
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: camp'scataboos great obviously, but at receiver at tight end obviously

710
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: they're down Jordan Tyson. If I had two Jordan Tyson's

711
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: in this game, yeah, it's a different gives a lot

712
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: to think about. It's a totally different it's difference, but

713
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: they have zero Jordan Tyson's. Yeah, and so conversation that

714
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: I think is the difference maker to me that Texas

715
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: still has too many ways to score points and prevent

716
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: points given where this ASU roster is right now. But

717
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be relatively close, because I think

718
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a fun possession thing, maybe a possession

719
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: or two stolen, or just a very long touchdown drive

720
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: from ASU kind of thing that Texas can't get off

721
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: the field that I think is going to slow things

722
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: down just enough to keep it.

723
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: I don't know.

724
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: Some in arms reach within arms reach fair enough. Let's

725
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: move to the granddaddy of them all.

726
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: Dan, we can just sim over this part. That's fine.

727
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: Five PM. New Year's Day. This is the Fouler and

728
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Herbie Game. It is the number eight seed the Ohio

729
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: State Buckeyes. It is the number one seed your Oregon

730
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: Ducks in the Rose Bowl presented by Prudential. Ohio State

731
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 3: a two and a half point favorite. This is a rematch.

732
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: We saw this game back on October the twelfth. Oregon

733
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: one that by one, thirty two to thirty one on

734
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: the nineteen yard field goal.

735
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Near the end of the game.

736
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: Ohio State did get the ball back. They were driving

737
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: to try and win it, but they ran out of time.

738
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: Remember that was the game with the Dan Lanning little

739
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: parlor trick.

740
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: With the twelve men on the field thing.

741
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: Yep.

742
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: We can talk about my weird conspiracy theories regarding that

743
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: play again at some point on one of our bonus.

744
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: What are your weird conspiracy barler Stock.

745
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe him. I think he's full crap.

746
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: I oh, you think he conveniently.

747
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: I don't believe that they did that on purpose. That's

748
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: my hot take.

749
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 2: I mean, getting time off the clock is a great thing.

750
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: Oh, it is a great thing.

751
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: I just that's the kind of thing that happens by accident,

752
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: works out in your favor, and you claim it because

753
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: you can.

754
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 4: But it was out of a timeout.

755
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: No, listen, Notre Dame's that out of a timeout too.

756
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: They've done it with ten men on the field. Okay,

757
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: it happens. I'm just saying this is a hot take.

758
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: Don't hold me.

759
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: To this, all right, I'm holding you to it. Whatever.

760
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 3: Here's my question for you, all right, Okay, it's hard

761
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: to beat a good team twice, hard to be a

762
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: good team twice. This was anyone's game the first time around.

763
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: And I have to imagine, as you say, as an

764
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: Oregon human, you watched that Ohio State game against Tennessee,

765
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: maybe through a different lens than me. Did you see

766
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 3: anything in that game with the Ohio State game plan,

767
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: with seemingly the killer instinct that we saw on display.

768
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: Did you see anything in that Tennessee game that has

769
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: changed your perspective at all relative to the first time

770
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 3: these two teams played.

771
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and the confidence. I mean Will Howard

772
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: had a good game against Oregon. He threw nice passes

773
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: through winning passes again against Oregon and was protected even

774
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: with Josh Simmons going down, was protected relatively well. I

775
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: think that was before Seth McLaughlin. McLaughlin went down against

776
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: It was the week leading up to Penn State, I

777
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: want to say, is when he got hurt in practice,

778
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: and so the offensive line was in a healthier place

779
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: for that game, but Oregon's defensive line was not as

780
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: healthy as they seemed to be. Right now, I don't

781
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: know the exact health of Jordan Birch. He's been relatively quiet.

782
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: He didn't play in that first Ohio State game and

783
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: hasn't made huge impacts on the field since coming back

784
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: from injury, and so maybe this rest time is especially.

785
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 4: Helpful for him.

786
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: But what I saw in that game was an Ohio

787
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: State game plan that was extraordinarily sound against Tennessee, taking

788
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: advantage of what Tennessee gave them, which was Jeremiah Smith

789
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: on an island, Okay, doesn't seem to be a winning formula.

790
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: I was surprised. I was surprised that Tennessee's defensive line

791
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: didn't eat more, but credit of the Ohio State offensive line.

792
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: The patchwork offensive line that Ohio State has been able

793
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: to put together successfully in protecting Will Howard. Maybe not

794
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: the best running run blocking unit, and so that to

795
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: me is going to be quite interesting in this one,

796
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: that if you force Will Howard to win this game

797
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: and Jeremiah Smith is sort of funneled away from action

798
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: better than he was against Tennessee, which I don't know.

799
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: I think the brain trust of Dan Lanning and Tash

800
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: Lupoy and Chris Hampton, the co defensive coordinator, I think

801
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: is smart enough to see what didn't work against Tennessee,

802
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: or again what didn't work for Tennessee against Ohio State,

803
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: and having the time to see what Chip Kelly has

804
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: done in terms of game planning. They still weren't a

805
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: great running team against Tennessee. They were fine. They got

806
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: you know, loose a few times, but it wasn't dominant

807
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: on the ground.

808
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: No.

809
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: So I just wonder if Jordan Birch is healthy mattera

810
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: Ulilangoli lay off the other edge, Derek Harmon and Jamari

811
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: Caldwell in the middle. I just wonder if they will

812
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: be more able to get to Will Howard than they

813
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: were the last time. And from the Oregon side, the

814
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: Ohio State defense should be more mysterious. They were very

815
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: direct upfront and along the defensive line. We talked about

816
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: that a little bit, that they were just rushing for

817
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: straight at Oregon.

818
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: They weren't, you.

819
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: Know, playing any games. They weren't really sending any pressure.

820
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: They were scared to do so, and Oregon was happy

821
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: to sit back and block those rushers and throw downfield successfully.

822
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: I am curious to see what now that Ohio State

823
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: has become much more multiple and creative on defense since then.

824
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: Curious to see how Oregon deals with that and gets

825
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: the ball of Dylan Gabriel's hand quickly. And now obviously

826
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: they throw a lot of short passes to a lot

827
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: of fast dudes who get yards after the catch. And

828
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: they took advantage of I think it was Denzel Burke

829
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: in that first match of Downfield gave it like one

830
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty yards between Evan Stewart and Tedes Johnson

831
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: mostly yep.

832
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know.

833
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 2: If there's something to take away from the Tennessee game,

834
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: I would say, like the sort of backwards zag that

835
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: I am. I kind of like that Ohio State comfortably

836
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: one now I came into this game. I like that,

837
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, they're getting Ohio State now instead of the

838
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: national championship game. Sure, but I don't know, Ohio State probably

839
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: feeling real good that they have all their issues solved,

840
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: even though the game before they were completely awful against

841
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: Michigan and didn't even make the Big Ten championship game.

842
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: I kind of like that Ohio State's riding high right now.

843
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: Oregon just sort of lying in the weeds as an

844
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: under a literal underdog, the number one under nation for

845
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: the past few weeks. In the second half of the season,

846
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: number one team of the nation took care of business

847
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: against Penn State. Not as dominant in a defensive way

848
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: that Ohio State was against Penn State. But I don't know,

849
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: I kind of like the emotional position that Oregon's in here,

850
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: it's the Rose Bowl, it's the West Coast. Ohio State's

851
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: already played a game. Chip Kelly does nothing but almost

852
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: exclusively losed to Oregon.

853
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: I believe, I.

854
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: Don't know there's something advantageous about where Oregon sits emotionally.

855
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they're gona win this game. But I'm curious

856
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: about red zone for Oregon. Once again, they had I

857
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: think zero points on a trip inside the like three

858
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: yard line against Ohio State. Ohio State was able to

859
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: score a touchdown off of a non interception call review,

860
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: so weird back and forth game the first time. Obviously,

861
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: some people still feel like it was a ghost offensive

862
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: PI against Jeremiah Smith seemed textbook to me, But you know,

863
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: what do I know? I was just an All American

864
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: receiver from Minnesota. Tie sure, So I think I I'm

865
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: going with Oregon here. I'm sticking with my preseason National

866
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: championship pick. I'm sticking with the Homer side of myself.

867
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: I guess I think they're just built to beat Ohio

868
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: State again. I know it's very difficult to beat that

869
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: good a team twice, but what can you fully trust

870
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: about Ohio State in this moment, like you know that

871
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 2: there's a version of them that's pretty woeful, and maybe

872
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: it's just a version of the coaching staff that's pretty woeful.

873
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: And now Oregon's kind of in Ryan Day's head a

874
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: little bit, having beaten him twice.

875
00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: I don't know.

876
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: I think Oregon is rested enough, should be healthy enough.

877
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: Ted Johnson obviously we saw as a huge deal in

878
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: the Big Ten Championship game. Ohio State's excellent at their best.

879
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: I just don't know which version of that week get

880
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: week to week. And I think Oregon's in a good

881
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: enough place right now, in a healthy enough place, especially

882
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: on defense.

883
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: If those linebackers can tackle.

884
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: A little bit more than they did against Penn State.

885
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 4: I think they're fine.

886
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have Oregon winning this game in a

887
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: very similar fashion thirty one to twenty eight.

888
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

889
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: My problem is, I really want to pick Ohio State

890
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: just like I did the first time. Do it. Well,

891
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: here's what I'm struggling with. They couldn't get any pressure

892
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: on Dylan Gabriel in that first game, which isn't limited

893
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: to an Ohio State thing.

894
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: By the way, nobody's gotten pressure on Dylan Gabriel this year.

895
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: Since the first two games, since the first two gives

896
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: But if you can't get pressure on a supremely accurate

897
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 3: passer like Dylan Gabriel and you're playing man, which you'llhig

898
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: State likes to play, may maybe they'll play less man

899
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: this time around because it didn't work as well that

900
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: first game. Eventually, if you give them time, your man

901
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: coverage is gonna break down and someone's getting open or

902
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 3: you're throwing to somebody who you're throwing them open because

903
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: you're accurate. And that's exactly what happened in the first game.

904
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: You mentioned Evan Stewart. Evan Stewart torched him on the

905
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: outside when they had man coverage on the outside. They

906
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: were just throwing it up and he was running past

907
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: the defender.

908
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: Has been somewhat quiet since he had didn't do anything

909
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: in the Big Tech Championship game. Some of the bigger moments,

910
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: he has not been the focal point. You have that

911
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: incredible catch against Michigan that was called back for an

912
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: offensive lineman downfield.

913
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, you're right.

914
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: Continue But so you say to yourself, then well, okay,

915
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: if this is the way that this is the tenor

916
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 3: of the first game. And if you couldn't get pressure

917
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: on Dylan Gabriel that first time around, and if we're

918
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 3: not sure we can get pressure on him this time around,

919
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: what's the solve?

920
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: How do you solve for Dylan Gabriel?

921
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: You know, from one thousand feet away, a million feet away,

922
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: whatever we consider ourselves here, you could say, well, the

923
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: solutions to control the clock and limit how many times

924
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: Oregon gets the ball. But we saw that against Michigan.

925
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: Ohio State kind of tried that against Michigan. I don't

926
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: know why they tried it against Michigan, but they did,

927
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: and it didn't work. That's not what Ohio State does.

928
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: And even the first time around. You know, if we're

929
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: talking about this this make believe world in which Ohio

930
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 3: State dominates on the ground and controls the clock. Trey

931
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: Henderson had a fifty three yard run. If you take

932
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: that out of the game completely right, Ohio State's running

933
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 3: backs averaged like two point eighty five yards per carry.

934
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: So this was not a team that ran back then.

935
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a team that's going to run

936
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 3: effectively now by any stretch. I would like to see

937
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: Chip Kelly put Will Howard on the move. I've been

938
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: screaming this from the mountaintops now for weeks on end.

939
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 3: Maybe that's something we see here a little bit more

940
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: that can add a little bit of a wrinkle, But

941
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: I'm running out of patient. Is that that is ever

942
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: going to happen. He's a big kid. We've seen it

943
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: in spots. They just have not been super willing to

944
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: put him on the run to the extent that I

945
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: think they could. Now I'm not an oc I just

946
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: play one on the podcast. But this is all a

947
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: very long way of saying that I went back and

948
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: forth a hundred times trying to justify my Ohio State

949
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: pick in the face of what I think are surreal

950
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 3: issues with just stopping the Oregon offense. I think one

951
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: way or another, this is a shootout like the first

952
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: time around, and I don't think there's any way around that.

953
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: I think both teams are outstanding, both offenses are fun

954
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: as hell to watch. This will be the game of

955
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: the day to watch, just from an entertainment standpoint, of

956
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: all four of the games, if you're watching one of them,

957
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: watch this one. This one will have the most entertainment

958
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: value I think for people on New Year's Day.

959
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: For sure, last team with the ball wins.

960
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: My spreadsheet, which has actually been somewhat accurate with respect

961
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: to point spread, it's not necessarily who's always winning these games.

962
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: My spreadsheet, as it did the first time around, still

963
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: has Ohio State minus three, Okay, and so I'm just

964
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 3: gonna stick with that. I'm gonna stick with it because

965
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: it felt like the first time around was anyone's game.

966
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: I like the momentum. I get where you're coming from

967
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: when you say, well, I like the fact that maybe

968
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: Ohio State feels like they're, you know, they're they're a

969
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: little high on their own farts, Dan, you know, they're

970
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: feeling good about where they stand right now, given the

971
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 3: way they came out of that first one.

972
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: Which is also can be really good, right, take play

973
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: a little bit looser, to play a bit more confident.

974
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, you know, they're high on their own supply

975
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: at this point.

976
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to choose to take.

977
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: The more optimistic view on that, and I'm going to

978
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: say the Buckeys get revenged thirty seven thirty four shootout.

979
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: Good game could go either way. Whoevers the ball last

980
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: is the one that wins.

981
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: Who is the who's winning muscle is more pronounced. Obviously,

982
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: these are two coaches who have taken their fair of

983
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: taken their fair share of criticism. The excuse me Ryan

984
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: Day obviously like three and a half weeks ago, Dan

985
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: Lanning the losses to Washington over the past two years,

986
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: both in the regular season and in the Pacteal Championship

987
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: game last year, obviously the Oregon State game from a

988
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, that some of his decisions have

989
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: been too aggressive and not too holistic of the full

990
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: game rhythm. And obviously Ryan Day's game planning and short

991
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: yardage decisions and avoidance of the pass or being a

992
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: little bit too stubborn around rhythm of the game kind

993
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: of thing has come back to buy that. You look

994
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: at you know Ryan Day and big games, especially in

995
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: the postseason. You know, the played really well but came

996
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: up short against Georgia a couple of years ago in

997
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: the playoff, the National championship loss, and that was like

998
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: an all time great Alabama team with the Vonte Smith

999
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: and Mac Jones. But you know those huge the huge

1000
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: game record for Ryan Day isn't necessarily sterling December January, Yeah,

1001
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: and so which do you trust more whose muscle is

1002
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: a little bit more jacked right now.

1003
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: I think I would trust Lanning. I mean I would

1004
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: trust Dan Lanning. I mean the game plan that we

1005
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: saw from Ohio State in that Tennessee game was superb.

1006
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: They did a great job.

1007
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: The fact that we know they still have a stinker

1008
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: of a game plan like we saw against Michigan does

1009
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: give me cause for pause or favorite pet charity, you know,

1010
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: like when they want to, as I said, drive the

1011
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 3: Ferrari at one hundred and ninety miles an hour, they can.

1012
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of will they can they in

1013
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: this in this game against Oregon? I think they will.

1014
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: I have confidence that they will. You know, If anything,

1015
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: some of Dan Lanning's decisions over the last two years

1016
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: have left me a little bit a little bit wondering, like, Okay,

1017
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: are we always doing the smart thing here? Is he

1018
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: a little too driven by emotion at moments? But for me,

1019
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: it's less about which coach do I trust more and

1020
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: more about when is the big game changing play going

1021
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: to happen? You know, when is the big mistake going

1022
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: to happen that's gonna flip the field, that's going to

1023
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: give somebody an extra possession and going to add an

1024
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: extra three or four points onto somebody's lead. You know,

1025
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 3: that's what I'm looking forward to the most and what

1026
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm most curious about going into this one. I genuinely

1027
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: don't know.

1028
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: One other thing tie in that first matchup, and you know,

1029
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: we talk about winning as a skill and who has

1030
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 2: the more jacked winning muscle, whatever, And now I fully

1031
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: regret saying jack winning muscle. Settle that came from it

1032
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: all came deep in the depths of someone set all.

1033
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: You're feeling a little loose down there in may Co.

1034
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Dan just settles, I am I did have most of

1035
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: a Dakari last night. Tye Okay, Ryan Day handles special

1036
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: teams with parts of special teams being delegated to various coaches, right.

1037
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if he is sort of up nights thinking

1038
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: about what kind of crap Dan Landing and this Oregon

1039
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: team is going to pull against Ohio State in the

1040
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl. I am positive they're going into this game thinking,

1041
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: just like they did the first time, they need to

1042
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: throw what they've got at Ohio State, and whether that's

1043
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: last time rocketing an on side kick or just a

1044
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 2: kickoff off of an upman, whether that's a fake punt,

1045
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: whether that's a fake field goal, whether that's whatever. Orgon's

1046
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 2: unafraid to call those in huge leverage moments or at

1047
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: seemingly weird times of a game to catch teams off guard.

1048
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: You know, Oregon has something ready to go for vaguely

1049
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: the right time. I wonder when we see it, and

1050
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's crazy, because I think there's a

1051
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: ninety percent chance we see something wild called by Oregon

1052
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 2: in this game, and if that's not an additional burden

1053
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: on Ryan Day's psyche going into the game.

1054
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 3: I love that laser beam on sidekick that they had

1055
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: in the first matchup. I mean, speaking of one hundred

1056
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: and ninety miles an hour right at the upman, that

1057
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: was a one in a million shot that he hit

1058
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 3: the guy and that it worked at all.

1059
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: But I appreciate it.

1060
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: I appreciate the attempt at it. It was very clearly

1061
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: an obvious thing or a deliberate thing, I should say,

1062
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 3: and ended up working out.

1063
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: So we'll see.

1064
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 3: We I guess disagree on both fronts. Finally we found

1065
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: a game. You've got Oregon, I've got Ohio State. But

1066
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: I think we both have This as the most entertaining

1067
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 3: game of the day.

1068
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: So the game plan is going to be super interesting

1069
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: for Ohio State. They came out smart and confident against Tennessee.

1070
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: They came out like they knew they were going to

1071
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: beat Tennessee. And I just wonder if Ohio State goes

1072
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 2: the full other direction and panicking about Oregon deep opening

1073
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: up new things for Oregon's off because it's going to

1074
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: be a wild chess match.

1075
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 4: I can't wait.

1076
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 3: That brings us to one final game to close out

1077
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: New Year's Day. It is a late kick. It is

1078
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 3: eight forty five pm Eastern time, going to be keeping

1079
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: the old men up. But we got to watch this

1080
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: one because it's the number two seed the Georgia Bulldogs

1081
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: the number seven seed Notre Dame fighting Irish. Georgia is

1082
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: a two point favorite. This is a Sean McDonough Greg

1083
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: McElroy game. They've got Notre Dame for two straight rounds.

1084
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: Dan interesting thought experiment that I was kicking around when

1085
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: I was looking at this one. Just judging by public sentiment,

1086
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: I feel like, to you, like.

1087
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: More people are rooting for Notre Dame than Georgia.

1088
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: Ooh, good question, Like I have no doubt that there's

1089
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: an SEC contingent that the SEC roots for the SEC,

1090
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: but among people who root for other teams, I have

1091
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: been sort of surprised that once you get through the

1092
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: haze of oh they should join a conference so they're overrated.

1093
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: They play the sert like all the usual tropes with

1094
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 3: respect to Notre Dame. Once you kind of get past

1095
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: that fog of war, I have found that generally speaking,

1096
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 3: the sentiment around the Irish has been positive, way more positive.

1097
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: Than I can remember being in a good long time.

1098
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: It does seem to be a more likable Notre Dame

1099
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: program under Marcus Freeman, and maybe it's because he's continuously

1100
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: humbled by tinier programs where they're like, all right, that's fine,

1101
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: we get to laugh at them hilariously once the season

1102
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: and they're still good. So maybe it softens the Notre

1103
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: Dame image a little bit that they give us that

1104
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: treat every year with Marcus Freeman, who was it was

1105
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: Stanford too. They lost to Stanford, nearly should lost to

1106
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: cal I want to say as well, anyway, he's given

1107
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: you a lot of palpitations, and so maybe that makes

1108
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: them a little bit more likable. I think people still

1109
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: harbor the resentment of like the join of conference thing,

1110
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: but there's definitely SEC fatigue, and I think people are

1111
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: turning more and more against the SEC, knowing they have

1112
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: a corporate mouthpiece in ESPN that people don't seem to

1113
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: be super thrilled by that. There's also the element if

1114
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: Georgia loses, that puts everything on Texas, who is a

1115
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: big twelve team about an hour and a half ago.

1116
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: So you can't really kind of chant SEC SEC in

1117
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: sort of a genuine way, like they haven't fully acclimated,

1118
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: they haven't really like earned their SEC strikes even getting

1119
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: to the championship game, Like I don't know, it's too

1120
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 2: soon to be like they are one of us, right,

1121
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: And so.

1122
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: I think there is.

1123
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: More tolerance of Notre Dame. I wouldn't say more people

1124
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: are rooting for Notre Dame, but more people are fine

1125
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: with Notre Dame potentially winning in a spot like this

1126
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: because of SEC distaste, which is unfortunate because the job

1127
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart has done this year is probably his best

1128
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: coaching job all things considered, with the struggles on offense,

1129
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: the struggles in the secondary, the struggles with just like

1130
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: barely getting by Kentucky. Yes, I know, Ole miss Some

1131
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: teams can win close games against Kentucky. You know, it's

1132
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: just been a pretty uneven year, even in wins for

1133
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: or You look at the Mississippi State game, you look

1134
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: at the Florida game. Carson Beck hasn't been himself coming

1135
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: into the season as the presumed like number one or

1136
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: number two quarterback in the upcoming NFL draft. Now he's

1137
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: out in this game. So now Kirby Smart has to

1138
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: win a playoff quarter final game with Gunner Stockton, who

1139
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: doesn't have any meaningful experience short of the second half

1140
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: against Texas that they're a slightly more endearing Georgia team

1141
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: than usual, just because they seem more mortal. I would say,

1142
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: by and large, if you pulled one hundred random people

1143
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: across this great land, you'd probably get a little bit

1144
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: more Notre Dame fever. But I don't think it's overwhelming.

1145
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1146
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 3: I mean, if Oregon Ohio State is the presumed most

1147
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 3: entertaining game under your's day, this is the one that's

1148
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: got the most interesting storylines. And one is obvious, one

1149
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: maybe not as obvious. But Carson Beck going down is

1150
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: a big deal. It's a huge bummer. I feel horrible

1151
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 3: that he needed surgery. He got his UCL repaired. We

1152
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: wish him a speedy recovery. We'll see how things go

1153
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: after he heals. It's not easy to.

1154
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: Come back from all the time.

1155
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: But doctor Neil l our guys, yeah out in LA.

1156
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: So what does the Georgia offense look like now after

1157
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: having two to three weeks to prepare Gunner Stockton to

1158
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: be QB one.

1159
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1160
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: And then on the Notre Dame side, though I don't

1161
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: think it's going to get quite the same level of headlines,

1162
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 3: nor should it. What does the Notre Dame defensive line

1163
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: look like without Riley Mills, who was a team captain

1164
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: who led the team in sacks, and in his place

1165
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: in his stead Gabe Rubio stepping up. We've got this

1166
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: weird timeline that has emerged here where Gunner stocked in

1167
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: and Gabe Rubio are in interconnected. Okay, Gunner stocked in

1168
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: more mobile, which we saw to some extent in the

1169
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: SEC Championship game. Maybe more out of necessity in that one,

1170
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: but still more mobile. We're not going to see him

1171
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: drop back and throw it forty times like Carson Beck

1172
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: did about half of the games this season for Georgia,

1173
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 3: We're just not I think you mentioned on one of

1174
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: our previous episodes the Jake From game when Notre Dame

1175
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 3: played Jake From when he stepped in for Jake Eason

1176
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: back in the day. That version of Georgia was more

1177
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: conservative on all offense, more content to win with the

1178
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: running game in defense. My expectations we're going to see

1179
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: some version of the Georgia offense that looks like that.

1180
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: So I look at that and I say, well, okay,

1181
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: if they're going to be more run heavy, that's going

1182
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: to put more pressure on Notre Dame's defensive line. And

1183
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: this is where they feel that loss of Riley Mills.

1184
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 4: M hm.

1185
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: You know, I saw people online who are like, ah, wow,

1186
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: Notre Dame fans, it's not like Riley Mills. Is Aaron

1187
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: Donell Well, No, there Aaron Donald. No, he wasn't, but

1188
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: he was their team captain. He was a beast up front.

1189
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: He was a unique player for this defense, good against

1190
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: the run, Like I said, he was good in pass

1191
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: defense as well, at six and a half sacks whatever

1192
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: it was. Gave Rubio is now the fill in for that.

1193
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: He's heavier he's more of a pure run stopper. I

1194
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: don't think he's going to give him the same degree

1195
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: of effectiveness as a pass rusher in theory though, in

1196
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: theory that's the right skill set to stop a Georgia

1197
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: team that might go a little bit more run heavy, Right,

1198
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: if you've got a big run stop at that's the

1199
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: kind of guy that you want. But Rubio has been

1200
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: a rotation guy, right he's played this year, he's played.

1201
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: He's never played more than thirty snaps, I forget the

1202
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: exact number.

1203
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: But in a game, in a specific game, in a

1204
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: specific game.

1205
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 3: So there's going to be a lot more stress on

1206
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: him to eat up those big offensive linemen that Georgia

1207
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: is bringing at him. It is, this is still a

1208
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: very sizable Georgia offensive line, and I think they're going

1209
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: to run right at him. It would behoove them to

1210
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: at least try and see what happens. So that to

1211
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: me is definitely something that I am concerned about. No,

1212
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 3: he's not Aaron Donald, but yes, he plays a key

1213
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 3: central theme in this game against what I still think

1214
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: is a Georgia team that knows how to win this

1215
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: style of football. And secondly, I should also add since

1216
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 3: I know you like to talk about your guy Howard

1217
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: Cross a lot. Howard Cross, one of the other stars

1218
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: for Notre damel on the defensive line, if you're not familiar,

1219
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: was heard I think against Florida State.

1220
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: Did not look himself.

1221
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: In that game against Indiana a week ago. And so

1222
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 3: there's like this chess match going on right now. You know,

1223
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm not scared of the Georgia passing attack. I am

1224
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: worried about this matchup in the trenches, especially if they

1225
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 3: can't get Howard Cross to show his like normal burst.

1226
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: If they are rotating Rubio out, that could put Notre

1227
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: Dame in a position where they're a bit under so

1228
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 3: against a big Georgia front. So just this matchup in

1229
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: the trenches with how I think Georgia wants to play

1230
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 3: with how Notre Dame has to respond now give an

1231
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 3: injury is going to be fascinating to me. For what

1232
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: it's worth, Notre Dames responded famously well elsewhere on defense,

1233
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: They've had a ton of injuries. Secondly, and speaking of

1234
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: the trenches and the running game, I don't think the

1235
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: Notre Dame offensive line is good enough to run in

1236
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: their preferred style against Georgia, which is between the tackles,

1237
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 3: and that's how they've played all year. We saw it

1238
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 3: a lot against Indiana. While it's not true that the

1239
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: Georgia while it is true I should say that the

1240
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 3: Georgia defense is not as good as we have seen

1241
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: in previous versions. I still think they're very good at

1242
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: stopping this. They're very good at stopping this version of

1243
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 3: a rushing offense, which again a lot in between the tackles.

1244
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: I don't think that game plan to run right at

1245
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: Georgia is going to be good enough to win. They're

1246
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: going to need to do more to the outside. We're

1247
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: going to need to see more of the Georgia Tech

1248
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: game plan, frankly with what Georgia Tech did if Notre

1249
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 3: Dame's got any aspirations of winning this one, because the

1250
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: game I'm envisioning is a textbook rock fight where Georgia

1251
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: is not taking too many chances, where Notre Dame's usual

1252
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: game plan isn't as effective, where the over under of

1253
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 3: last I checked forty three and a half is too

1254
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: many points. I think I still think I take the

1255
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 3: under there, Dan.

1256
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: So the interesting conversation, too, is who has Notre Dame

1257
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: played recently to give them that Georgia ish talent. Look right, nobody,

1258
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: nobody was lost in the like everybody wants to pile

1259
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: on to Indiana. Indiana lost to a team that hadn't

1260
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: played anybody. They beat who they played outside of a

1261
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: MAC team. They beat all the Power Conference teams they played.

1262
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: And so now it's how prepared is Notre Dame dealing

1263
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: with key injuries to its best some of its best

1264
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: players on defense, but still mounted a great defense this

1265
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: year against who they played. How do they respond against

1266
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: a Georgia team that, while flawed, still is pretty talented

1267
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: on both sides.

1268
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: Of the ball. They're very talented. They're very talented, and

1269
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: again they've been very successful winning games like this. Winning

1270
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: games like this, You know, they haven't always had a

1271
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 3: Carson Beck. And even before stets And Bennett became the

1272
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: Stetson Bennett, who is going to go down as one

1273
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 3: of the greats in college football, they were content to

1274
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: sort of play this plotting style of football, or they

1275
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 3: just beat you up, beat you up in the trenches,

1276
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: run right at you, find enough of a way to

1277
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 3: get field position, create a turnover, make the most out

1278
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: of a mistake that sort of thing. One other note,

1279
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: if this is headed in the direction of a rock fight,

1280
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 3: which I believe it is, I've mentioned Mitch Jeter. The

1281
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 3: kicking situation for Notre Dame bit flimsy. Mitch Jeeter was

1282
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: great before we got hurt about mid season. Since then,

1283
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 3: it feels like it's a bit of a coin flip.

1284
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 3: Peyton Woodring, the kicker for Georgia, has been solid, perfect

1285
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 3: from inside forty this season. This is a dome game,

1286
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: maybe that gives the kickers a little bit more cover.

1287
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 3: But if in fact we're headed in this direction, which

1288
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 3: I believe we are, that's just something to keep in

1289
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: the back of your mind. Georgia has been pretty sound

1290
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: in the kicking game as well.

1291
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: Man the under Thing express says, it's a backup quarterback

1292
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: going against a very good defense. Why are we overtalking

1293
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: the analysis in this one. Yeah, that they've struggled at

1294
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: times protecting Carson Beck. They've struggled at times running an

1295
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: offense for Carson Beck that puts him in the best

1296
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: position to succeed, getting receivers in the best position to succeed.

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Speaker 2: Mike Bubble hasn't been crazy popular this year. They need, however,

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Speaker 2: many overtimes to beat a decent but not great ACC

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Speaker 2: team in Georgia Tech at home.

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Speaker 4: Mind you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty flaw Georgia team, all things considered.

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Speaker 2: I just the thing I'm hung hung up on is

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,479
Speaker 2: both competition level for Notre Dame and Riley Leonard as

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: a playoff quarterback. Who can beat Georgia if asked to.

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Speaker 2: If this is a rock fight, as you say, and

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01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,959
Speaker 2: Notre Dame is down four with two and a half

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01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: minutes left, yeah, is Riley Leonard that guy?

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Speaker 1: The answer is yes. The answer is yes. Oh here's why.

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Speaker 1: Here's why. Okay, tell me, here's why.

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Speaker 3: I placed this one squarely on the legs of Riley Leonard.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's beating him through the air. I

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 3: don't think Riley Leonard is an elite passer. I don't

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Speaker 3: care what the Manning Passing Academy has to say.

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Speaker 1: He's just not.

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Speaker 3: He still misses guys, He missus reeds. Sometimes he's really good.

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Speaker 3: If you go back and watch the Indiana tape. I

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 3: mean there were some throws that were zipped on time,

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01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 3: on schedule, on the money right in the bread basket.

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Speaker 3: Other times he's missing players. He's just missing them.

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Speaker 1: They're open.

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Speaker 3: I put this one on his legs. I think his

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 3: legs are the X factor. We did not see any

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Speaker 3: quarterback runs against Indiana. I don't think because they didn't

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Speaker 3: need him, they're gonna need him against Georgia.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna need him.

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Speaker 3: So don't be surprised if you look at the box

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Speaker 3: score after this one and Riley finishes with like twenty

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Speaker 3: one carries. I think the quarterback run. I think his

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: ability to improvise. I think these are intangibles that he possesses.

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Speaker 3: That he's not gonna be a first round pick, nor

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01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: should he be, right, but he definitely has that improvisational

1332
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 3: ability that can extend plays and make weird things happen.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the difference in a game like this,

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Speaker 3: which is what most of the one can im You

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: can improve your way to a win against Georgia. I

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01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: think you can improve your way into a big play

1337
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: that flips field position. I think you can improve your

1338
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 3: way into a key first down on a third and

1339
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: short using the quarterback run in a way that we

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01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 3: didn't see last game that you know, they might have

1341
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 3: to lean a lot more heavily on this time around. Remember,

1342
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 3: Mike Denbrock is no stranger to playing the style of football.

1343
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 3: That's part of why they hired him, part of why

1344
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 3: Riley Leonard wanted to come there. I mean, I just,

1345
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: you know, I guess after the fact why he wanted

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01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: to come there.

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01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: But I like, I.

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Speaker 3: Think we will see more of that here in a

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01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: way that we have not for most of the season.

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Speaker 1: It would shock me if we.

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 3: Are not seeing Notre Dame rely very heavily on Riley

1352
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 3: Leonard in the running game, because I'm not sure that

1353
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: the way they've used Jeremiah Love and Jadari and Price,

1354
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 3: you know, inside zone style stuff, I'm not sure that's

1355
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 3: working against this Georgia front. I think they're going to

1356
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 3: need to, as we say, to have another pitch, and

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: I think it's Riley Leonard.

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01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm taking Notre Dame. Okay, let's a square Notre Dame

1359
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 2: to win twenty four to twenty one. I think there's

1360
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: some offense, not a crazy amount of offense. I trust

1361
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard a little bit more than Gunner Stockton, just

1362
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: because this is not the experience of having a second

1363
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: year quarterback for Georgia who has started twenty eight games

1364
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: or whatever the number is that Carson Beck has under

1365
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: his belt. The muscle memory for a big game like this,

1366
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 2: I think is meaningful. That's why we saw Stetson Bennett

1367
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: six seed like he did. He was a playmaker. He

1368
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 2: had been there, He knew it to turn to in

1369
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: terms of dumping the ball off quickly, or tucking the

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: ball and running or bombing it downfield, or having Lad

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01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: McConkie or Brock Bauers is a safety blanket. I think

1372
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers is now setting records as a rookie tight

1373
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 2: end for the Terrible Raiders. They're terrible, I think, right terrible.

1374
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 2: That Gunner Stockton doesn't even know what his safety blanket is,

1375
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: doesn't even know the types of third and seven plays

1376
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: he likes in big games because he hasn't been there.

1377
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: And while I don't trust Riley Leonard to win this

1378
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 2: with his arm or his legs, I'd rather have the

1379
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: muscle memory of a guy who is arded however many

1380
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 2: games he started as a power conference quarterback, and in

1381
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: this type of spot with a loud dome. I kind

1382
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 2: of like the Notre Dame defense a little bit more,

1383
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: as unproven as they might seem still. I mean, they

1384
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: made a ton of plays against what we still believe

1385
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: to be a good Indiana offense and fully diagnosed everything

1386
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 2: and squashed all attempts of an uprising from Indiana. Yeah,

1387
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 2: so I'm going Notre Dame here close. I hope it

1388
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: doesn't come down to the kicker, but for Notre Dame's sake,

1389
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm going muscle memory at quarterback as the deciding factor.

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01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 3: Twenty to seventeen, Notre Dame wins. So we agree, Irish

1391
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 3: three my spreadsheet and I told you this before my

1392
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 3: spreadsheet at Notre Dame a three point favorite.

1393
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Speaker 1: I think it's ugly. I think it's close.

1394
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 3: I think it's probably a lot more fun to watch

1395
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 3: after the fact on film than maybe in the moment

1396
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: in the shadow of the Oregon ohiost game, which I

1397
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 3: think is going to be bonkers. M hm. I've got

1398
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 3: Notre Dame here, and I'm trying not to overthink it.

1399
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 3: I am trying to stay on the underthink express because

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01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 3: that's been effective so far. The quarterback and defense both

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01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 3: favor I think Notre Dame right now, but.

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01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: I think that's a reasonable take, and it's less competition,

1403
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 2: lesser competition than what George is faced. But I think

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01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: my key number is one and a half. It's the

1405
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: number of bad balls Riley Leonard is baited into by

1406
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 2: the Georgia defense. If the number is one and a half,

1407
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: and he throws one terrible ball that's returned deep into

1408
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: Notre Dame territory, picked off, and that's it, I think

1409
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: they can weather that. If he's baited into two bad

1410
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: balls and Notre Dame loses two possessions, especially if one

1411
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: of them is turned into seven by Georgia, that to

1412
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 2: me is the key figure.

1413
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: So that's the number I'm looking at.

1414
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,879
Speaker 2: How many like, Oh, Bryan Leonard thinks he has Jendarium

1415
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: Price on a wheel route for a huge gain. Oh,

1416
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: here's the safety baiting him into that throw, and it's

1417
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 2: not there. And that to me is I'm eagle eyed

1418
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: about that potential, all right, in a positive or negative way.

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 4: So there we are.

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: So you'll be back in time for these games? Yeah,

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01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: I'll be back.

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01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 4: I'm coming back on the twenty ninth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so these are the thirty first and first games,

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Speaker 2: so I'll be back in plenty of time. Smelltieshair dot

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Speaker 2: Com for the Rose Bowl. Yes, doing the Rose Bowl stream.

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: Is that the final verdict? I think that should be

1427
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: the plan. I don't think I'm going to have the

1428
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 2: juice to go that late and roll into the recap show.

1429
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: But is it seven forty five Central time, eight forty

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01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: five Eastern time, Sugar Bowl. I'm listen. I'm an old

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: man now, this is me entering into another year. I

1432
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:56,879
Speaker 2: just I gotta pace myself here, ty, especially if Oregon

1433
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 2: loses in heartbreaking fashion to Ohio and then I'm expected

1434
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: to just like jump into Notre Dame Georgia, I don't

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Speaker 2: have the emotional maturity to do.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: As much as people might want to say, that's fair,

1438
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: that's fair. So and if Oregon wins big, if Oregon

1439
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Speaker 2: wins in a big moment or wins by seventeen points,

1440
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna want to see me in that moment

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Speaker 2: unless you are only an Oregon fan.

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: Fair, This is all fair, Okay.

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Speaker 3: story lines from all of those games as well. So

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Speaker 3: much going on here in the month of December, to

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