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Speaker 1: for a weekend where we'll have a game Game six

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Speaker 1: Just a guy, right, like literally just a guy like Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We got a lot of interesting stuff.

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Speaker 1: Mark Dominic's gonna join us. We'll get you ready as

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Speaker 1: we got OTAs getting underway. This another strange tale on

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Speaker 1: the long and winding path of Zion Williamson. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to that next hour, but I want to start with this.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it some yesterday, but it does relate

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Speaker 1: to all sports. And you know, there's been a push

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Speaker 1: in the NBA for I don't know, seven eight years.

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Speaker 1: You know what we should do is have fewer games,

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Speaker 1: League Baseball used to have one fifty four. They have

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Speaker 1: won sixty two. There was there's been years which there's

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Speaker 1: is have we've had the contraction fewer teams and we've

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Speaker 1: had the fewer games thing. And if you'll notice the NFL,

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Speaker 1: which is the healthiest, they're fighting on more games, but

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Speaker 1: long fight over Game seventeen, but they got it, and

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Speaker 1: now there is a fight over game eighteen, but they're

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Speaker 1: they play a football game, and everybody likes to make money.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of reasons why NBA games, why

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Speaker 1: Major League baseball games won't be contracted. But for the

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Speaker 1: most part, there's just one reason. That reason is money.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that there are are people who

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Speaker 1: what is valuable about your sport. The brilliance of the

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Speaker 1: NFL is not just increasing regular season games. They have

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Speaker 1: increased playoff games. Those are the most watched, those are

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Speaker 1: the most important, and those are the ones which you

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Speaker 1: They want to negotiate ESPN a new deal. Wanto ESPN

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Speaker 1: to keep paying through the nose from undernet football. Hey

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Speaker 1: know you're going to get twenty five million people or

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Speaker 1: so watching. Again, the value is remarkable. So I bring

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Speaker 1: this to the NCAA tournament in college basketball, where everyone says,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's perfect. Why Expand then there's a story

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Speaker 1: made by the NCAA. So here's the response. The first

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Speaker 1: Lebron James is a great player, one of the all

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Speaker 1: It's over himself. I told you it would not happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what Rich Paul says. He wasn't considering

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Speaker 1: on a ninety five percent chance of it happening, right,

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Speaker 1: guy wants to be the perfect father. Can't be the

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Speaker 1: that's not playing favorites anyway. I told you lebron wasn't retiring.

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Speaker 1: League Baseball and in the NBA are not contracting games

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Speaker 1: because all those sites, all those arenas, they have a

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Speaker 1: Everybody makes money on it, and unless athletes and coaches

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Speaker 1: there's there is some value to it. But if those

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Speaker 1: what everybody bets on. It's everybody gambles on, everybody turns in.

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Speaker 1: That's where your grandma has just as good a shot

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Speaker 1: And if you expand to seventy two seventy six, you

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Speaker 1: But if you make those playing games, you're still only

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Speaker 3: So does that value sure? Is it untold millions of dollars?

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Speaker 1: So the prediction is is this Ryan Bersching or is

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Speaker 1: There is zero chance they're not going to expand. Zero

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Speaker 1: And you're like, why would they expand? Why would they try?

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Speaker 2: Everybody else gets this. Coaches get this.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do for scholarship, this is what

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Speaker 1: valuable assets. And the only valuable asset the NCAA has

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Speaker 1: in basketball is the tournament. The problem is, unless it

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Speaker 1: they're making a billion a year, what it's a billion

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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then you know that there

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Speaker 1: That's when you're basically going to a pawnshop and just hey,

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Speaker 1: So either TV becomes a pawnshop for college basketball and

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Speaker 2: They get them negotiations.

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Speaker 1: Either way, I get it. I love the sixty fourteen bracket.

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Speaker 1: I'm all for it, but I also understand that everything

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Speaker 1: and that's the NCAA Tournament.

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Speaker 1: don't care. You're Mike Vrabel, And though Vrabel is a

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Speaker 1: We don't know how many guys take recreational drugs.

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Speaker 1: I think perception is worse than reality. Although maybe I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: Much for prude. I truly do not know. But it

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Speaker 1: Awful to have and brasionally hand out some drugs while

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Speaker 3: Doesn't make it right. It's just every layer of it.

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Speaker 1: And then when you factor in, Okay, Steffan Diggs leaves

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 1: But if there's one thing I've learned, and I already knew,

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Speaker 1: little chemical kit, right, That's exactly what pink cocaine is.

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Speaker 1: How would you explain how Tyrese Haliburton goes from one

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Speaker 5: I think during the season there was skepticism. Maybe I

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's circle back to the Knicks and the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: A lot of talk about, you know, can Brunson be

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Speaker 5: Well, look, we're gonna have to see the end results,

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Speaker 5: You know, they have tried to surround Brunson in towns

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Speaker 5: and win this thing in seven, you know that potentially

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Speaker 5: changes the whole tender around this team too. So I

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Speaker 5: think we don't really have the answers there yet, but

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't think the Knicks have any doubts

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Speaker 5: about Brunson being the guy to build their team around.

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Speaker 5: He has proven to be so much better than even

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Speaker 5: they thought. And the willingness he showed to take a

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Speaker 5: contract lesser than he could have commanded to help them

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Speaker 5: with flexibility to build out the team. I mean, he's

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Speaker 5: beyond how good he is as a player. He's just

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Speaker 5: so valuable from the vibes perspective and just the way

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Speaker 5: people want to rally around him and play with him.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 5: So, look, the Knicks are in a great place even

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Speaker 5: if they lose this series. But there is going to

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Speaker 5: be huge, huge frustration because they took out Boston. Philly

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Speaker 5: never came close to being the factor that people anticipated.

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Speaker 5: Milwaukee was not the factor that people anticipated. The Heat

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Speaker 5: imploded after the Jimmy Butler trade. So the East has

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Speaker 5: been more for the taking than we anticipated. And if

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Speaker 5: the Knicks don't take it, no question they're going to

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Speaker 5: be there's going to be some reflection and hard questions

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Speaker 5: asked after this season.

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Speaker 1: All Right, there's lots of talk that this is going

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Speaker 1: to be a tumultuous offseason. Start what Kevin Durant most

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Speaker 1: likely to be moved.

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Speaker 5: It starts with Yannis. We have to know, we have

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Speaker 5: to see first what happens with the honest and there's

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Speaker 5: not clarity there yet. You have a lot of teams

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Speaker 5: around the league who are plotting to make trade offers

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Speaker 5: for him, and we don't have an indication yet. Is

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Speaker 5: Jannis going to ask out of Milwaukee what he does,

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Speaker 5: whether he pledges to stay there or asks them to

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Speaker 5: trade him. I think that kind of has to happen first. Yes,

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Speaker 5: there is the anticipation that Durant, one Whey or the

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Speaker 5: other is going to be made available and that he's

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Speaker 5: not going to stick around in Phoenix, But I think

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Speaker 5: we have to start with where things go with Yiannis.

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Speaker 2: What do the Celtics do.

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Speaker 5: I think they're going to explore the trade market and

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Speaker 5: see what they can do. Porzingis is the easiest one

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Speaker 5: to move because he's on an expiring deal. Drew Holliday

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Speaker 5: and look, I don't think they want to trade any

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Speaker 5: of these guys, but it's just the reality. I mean,

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Speaker 5: they had they won, had they won it all and

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Speaker 5: repeated as champions, you can then make the case, all right,

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Speaker 5: this is going to be highly uncomfortable, highly expensive, but

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Speaker 5: let's deal with it. Because we have a team that's

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Speaker 5: won two titles in a row. They not only didn't repeat,

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Speaker 5: but they've lost Tatum to this devastating injury that's going

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Speaker 5: to sideline him most likely for a year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you.

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Speaker 5: Can't justify having this ridiculously high payroll. So it's going

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Speaker 5: to be it's it's not going to be easy. The

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Speaker 5: salary cap gymnastics involved are going to be really, really tough.

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Speaker 5: Brad Stevens has an unenviable job this summer trying to

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Speaker 5: figure it out. But what happens with porzingis what happens

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Speaker 5: with Drew Holiday. Those are really the two players I

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Speaker 5: think teams are looking at the most.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what about the Lakers, what do they.

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Speaker 2: Look like next year?

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Speaker 5: Well, assuming Lebron James comes back and he has a

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Speaker 5: player option worth more than fifty million, so the anticipation

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Speaker 5: is that he exercises that player option to stay. If

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Speaker 5: that happens, they don't have flexibility to do that much.

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Speaker 5: They will try again to find a trade for a

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Speaker 5: center because they know, I mean, we saw them, they

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Speaker 5: tried the deadline to get the center. They made the

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Speaker 5: trade for Charlotte's Mark Williams. They rescinded that trade, so

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Speaker 5: everyone knows they need a starting level center, a rim

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Speaker 5: running center, the kind of center that Luka Doncis has

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Speaker 5: always played alongside in Dallas and flourished alongside. Do they

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Speaker 5: have the draft or do they have the trade pieces

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Speaker 5: to make that kind of trade. They would obviously prefer

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Speaker 5: not to trade Austin Reeves, but you know that chatter

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Speaker 5: will emerge and circulate all summer, like will the Lakers

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Speaker 5: be willing to entertain offers for him? So it kind

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Speaker 5: of starts with Lebron in his decision because they don't

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Speaker 5: have financial flexibility to just go out and make dramatic moves.

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Speaker 5: They still have the exact same trade pieces that they

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Speaker 5: used in the theoretical Mark Williams deal. But is there

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Speaker 5: a center out there that they can get who really

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Speaker 5: moves the needle? That's not clear yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I guess my thought on the on Lebron is, I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously he's gonna resign.

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Speaker 1: My thing is, we do realize Lebron's going to play

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Speaker 1: two more years his He quite obviously wants to be

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Speaker 1: the greatest at ever for his kids, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: though he cares, he doesn't really care that he's going

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Speaker 1: He made them draft Bronnie. How can he make him

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Speaker 1: draft Ronnie and not make him draft Price? Right, how

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Speaker 1: can you play with one kid he's gonna do two

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Speaker 1: years in LA. It's gonna happen, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: I really don't know. I mean, with the theory you

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Speaker 5: lay out there, it's certainly there's you know, it's plausible,

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Speaker 5: But I don't know. I don't know what happens after

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Speaker 5: this season. I mean, the way he played, the level

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Speaker 5: he's playing at, you could certainly see him playing more

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Speaker 5: than one more year. But then again this season, you know,

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Speaker 5: does he want to go out after year twenty three

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Speaker 5: with an All Star Game in LA? I mean I

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Speaker 5: could see that too. It's hard to I can't pretend

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Speaker 5: to get in his head and know exactly what his

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Speaker 5: plan is. Is there anywhere else he could realistically go,

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Speaker 5: or is there somewhere else he wants to play? I

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Speaker 5: think only he knows. I mean, by all accounts, he's

542
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Speaker 5: been incredibly happy in LA. But I think at some

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Speaker 5: point the Lakers are going to want to move on

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Speaker 5: and make this fully a Luka doncic operation. So it's

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Speaker 5: not clear cut that you know, I think it's pretty

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Speaker 5: clear cut, pretty widely anticipated that he ops in for

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Speaker 5: this next season. What happens after this season, I can't

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Speaker 5: tell you right now at the end of May and

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, No.

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Speaker 2: I can't either.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm theorizing, and I'm fascinated to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Last thing.

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Speaker 1: Again, you're not putting your bet money on, but if

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Speaker 1: you did put your bet money, will we have a

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Speaker 1: Game seven in New York.

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Speaker 5: I picked the Pacers in six before the series, and

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Speaker 5: since my Western Conference pick was so bad, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: fully back my Pacers and six prediction and see if

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Speaker 5: I get if I if I bat at least five

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Speaker 5: hundred in the Western in the conference finals, so good god,

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Speaker 5: I am, I am at. I am anticipating a strong

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Speaker 5: rebound from the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: There there, you got it it. Stut Gottlieb Show Fox portrayer.

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Speaker 1: That's Mark Stein. Okay, go check out his substack called

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Speaker 1: the Steinlin.

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Speaker 2: He's awesome. Mark, thanks so much for joining us. Have

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Speaker 2: a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: You all right, that's some my guy, Mark Stein Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio NBA correspondent, of course, author of the Steinlin,

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Speaker 1: which is a substack