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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Norry along with journalist Von Bresler

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Speaker 2: Back with Us. Author of more than a dozen books

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Speaker 2: on consciousness, development, themes of time traveled dreams, spirit communication,

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Speaker 2: and out of body projections. His websites are linked up

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Speaker 2: at Coast tocoastam dot com. He's also on Facebook, Von

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 3: How have you been, Hi, George, I've been okay, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this. How did you get involved

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Speaker 2: in investigating dreams?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know, I was just working in

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Speaker 3: the newspaper business back in Oregon in nineteen eighty and

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Speaker 3: I got snowed in. I was living on Mount Hood

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Speaker 3: and it was just about the time when Mount Saint

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Speaker 3: Helens blew its topped. We dusted all that up, and

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Speaker 3: then it snowed, and it snowed for eight days, and

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Speaker 3: I couldn't even find my car, even with a broom handle.

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Speaker 3: It was just buried. And I lost all power, and

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Speaker 3: I lost heat, and I had no food, and I

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Speaker 3: had a telephone. I started calling a couple of people

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Speaker 3: and and and anyway, I fell back on my bed

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Speaker 3: and I had a spontaneous lucid dream. It was the

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Speaker 3: first one that I really thought was a lucid dream.

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Speaker 3: It was it was clear, it was uh. I was

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Speaker 3: very conscious in the dream. It was meaningful and and

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Speaker 3: it was uh uh. I came out of the dream

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Speaker 3: totally alert and eager to think about what the dream meant,

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Speaker 3: you know, And I wanted to do more of that.

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Speaker 3: And I thought, does this just happen sporadically to people

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Speaker 3: I thought, wow, if I can program it, So I

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Speaker 3: started reading anything I could get my hands on, and

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Speaker 3: luckily I had a lot of books on yoga, and

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Speaker 3: I studied consciousness and that was the path I took.

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Speaker 2: Good for you, our brains originating from the dreams? Are

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Speaker 2: dreams originating from the brain or outside.

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Speaker 1: Of the brain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the point I'd really like to make, And

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Speaker 3: I think it's important for people to at least consider this,

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Speaker 3: if not wrap their heads fully around it. That a

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Speaker 3: common dream, a restless dream, is simply your brain not

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Speaker 3: fully shut down at night. It's just cranking away and

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Speaker 3: and you're you're kind of sleepless, and you're having these

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Speaker 3: memory dreams. And they're sometimes you know, unsettling. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're problems that are vexing you and you can't shake them,

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Speaker 3: and you're working on it, working on it, and you're

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Speaker 3: you know, you're not really wide awake, and is bothersome,

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Speaker 3: but you can't let go of those thoughts. So I

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Speaker 3: think what happens is that you need to go deep

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Speaker 3: inside yourself for to reach a higher state of consciousness.

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Speaker 3: So I think that lucid dreams come from a state

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Speaker 3: of altered consciousness.

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Speaker 2: And of course the definition for a lucid dream is

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Speaker 2: a dream you know you're dreaming that's fascinating all by itself,

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Speaker 2: isn't it?

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Speaker 3: It is? It is so so you know, it is

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Speaker 3: like that scene in the Frank Herbert Great book doing

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Speaker 3: the Sleeper has awakened. I think this is it. We're

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Speaker 3: fully awake when we dream, that is to say, a

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Speaker 3: lucid dream. It's it's it's it's when your your inner self,

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Speaker 3: your your true self, comes forward and takes you on

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Speaker 3: a journey of exploration and discovery.

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Speaker 2: At what point, von do you read in that dream

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Speaker 2: that it's a lucid dream, that it is a dream?

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Speaker 2: Is it right away towards the end of it.

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Speaker 3: If you set it up right, you should recognize that

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Speaker 3: you are conscious of being in the dream. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's the term lucid dream. And then you you need

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Speaker 3: to validate that you're having the dream experience, that you're

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Speaker 3: actually there and you feel your presence there, and you

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Speaker 3: recognize that you are there. You take ownership of the

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Speaker 3: dream and your presence in the dream, and you recognize

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Speaker 3: that now you have this perfect opportunity for observing everything

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Speaker 3: you can observe in a state of heightened awareness.

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Speaker 2: Can people lucid dream at will?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? See, that's the thing. That's the thing. If you

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Speaker 3: can actually plan out a dream, actually set up various

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Speaker 3: want to accomplish. In other words, have an agenda. Nobody

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Speaker 2: Now, most dreams, of course, we just go to sleep

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Speaker 2: and then we just dream, whether they're lucid or otherwise.

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Speaker 2: How do you train yourself the lucid dream?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see the lucid dream. You need to you need

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Speaker 3: to harmonize body, mind and spirit. Now, this is what

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Speaker 3: yoga is really all about. But people get confused about

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Speaker 3: the language. So I'm a Westerner. I look at all

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Speaker 3: of these sutras and then I try to decipher what

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Speaker 3: they really meant, because sometimes the Sanskrit it's just a

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Speaker 3: little harsh. When they say the mind is a slayer

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Speaker 3: Put the mind to rest. We put the mind to

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Speaker 3: rest up by slaying it, but by harmonizing. And if

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Speaker 3: you harmonize body, mind and spirit, you have now a

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Speaker 3: holistic approach to dreaming. And in that mode of harmonization

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Speaker 3: body mind and spirit. Well, then can you reach the

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Speaker 3: right state for lucid dreaming.

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Speaker 2: Well what von Bressler's book is called Programming Your Lucid Dreams,

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Speaker 2: which just came out this year. How long did it

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Speaker 2: take you to research that book on?

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, you know, I really spend a lot of

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Speaker 3: time on I'll be honest. I mean I had this technique,

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Speaker 3: and I would I would do workshops here and there.

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Speaker 3: I did the Omega Institute in New York for a while,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and I went back to England and

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Speaker 3: I tried it, and I found that it was easier

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Speaker 3: for people to enter a state of lucid dreaming than

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Speaker 3: to learn to do deep meditation. This is really incredible.

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Speaker 3: So I stopped trying to show people how in yoga

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Speaker 3: we tend to think of yoga as stretching exercises or diet.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's way more than that. Those are the

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Speaker 3: physical prerequisites to getting you in the right frame of

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Speaker 3: study of body minded spirit.

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Speaker 2: How would you categorize a lucid dream in terms of

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Speaker 2: importance compared to like a precognitive d.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, a precognitive dream can certainly be a lucid dream. Now, Historically,

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Speaker 3: through the ages, lucid dreams have told the future, they've

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Speaker 3: alerted people, They've supposedly connected one to divine guidance. That's

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Speaker 3: very common. They've directed people and given them answers to

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Speaker 3: complex problems. They've alerted them to things. I mean, in

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Speaker 3: alerts them to danger, or it tells the King how

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Speaker 3: to build a temple. You know, there's all kinds of

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Speaker 3: health health issues. Precognitive dreams can be a very lucid

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Speaker 3: dream where you go and and you observe what lies

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Speaker 3: Native American shamanic tradition called dream walking, where they go

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Speaker 3: into a deep trance and they come back with insights

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Speaker 2: Is it safe to lucid dream?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? See, this is it. You know. People often say, well,

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Speaker 3: I would like to try that, but it sounds very dangerous.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to let it happen. No, if you

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Speaker 3: set it up properly, it is absolutely safe. And you

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Speaker 3: must recognize that wherever you go in your dream and

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Speaker 3: your consciousness, wherever your consciousness takes you, you're always going

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Speaker 3: to come back right back to the safety of your body,

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Speaker 3: which you've hopefully left in a very quiet, peaceful repose.

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Speaker 3: It's very important to set up the body in a

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Speaker 2: And what would you say, vonn is the benefit of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there are so many benefits the practical things. Uh,

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Speaker 3: there's little things like losing your keys and and and

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Speaker 3: not unlike it's not unlike remote viewing. You know, where

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Speaker 3: your consciousness reaches out and sees things. Now, whether you

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Speaker 3: want to say you've actually physically gone somewhere, now, you

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Speaker 3: didn't get a walk out of the room, did you.

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Speaker 3: So it's let's call it a great inner journey, you know.

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Speaker 3: Every I think everyone will be happy with that that answer.

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Speaker 3: I'll let people think about where you go and how

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Speaker 3: dream if we set up the dream with the intent

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Speaker 3: an agenda and then and then creating a diagram and

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Speaker 3: then mapping where you want to go. So there are

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Speaker 3: also there are also profound insights. You know, there's there's

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Speaker 3: there's the case of uh spirit animals. People will often

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Speaker 3: often hard to say, as with a dream dictionary, which

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Speaker 3: Shamanic tradition, uh spirit animals or totems will come to

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Speaker 3: how you proceed. You're at a crossroads. And if, if, if,

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Speaker 3: various ways, maybe leaving bird feathers in front of you

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Speaker 3: day after day, or or a frog keeps hopping in

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Speaker 3: animal will appear to you in a lucid dream. And

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Speaker 3: this is these can be very powerful dreams and it

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Speaker 3: will will will impart some information to you. And this

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Speaker 3: information act actually can be looked up in a dream dictionary.

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Speaker 3: You know. There's a lot of there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: insight as to the attributes of various animals. Mine happens

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Speaker 3: speak to me. You know. Now, they don't speak to

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Speaker 3: you in words because in a dream state, it's a

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Speaker 3: non physical state. You're not seeing or hearing with normal

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Speaker 3: this like a thought form or telepathically if you will.

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Speaker 3: But you're going to you're going to interpersonalize the information

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Speaker 2: I had a lucid dream ons vawn where I told

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Speaker 2: myself in the dream, it's a lucid dream, George, you're

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Speaker 2: just dreaming. Yeah, And then fell out of a window.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't get hurt. Yeah, Now what was that all about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean yeah, I mean you well, the point

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Speaker 3: is that you recognize that you you're not there in

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Speaker 2: Be injured, nothing could happen to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're there in an energy body. Your your consciousness

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Speaker 3: is there, your your your energized, your conscious energy is there.

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Speaker 2: You could look at your body, you could look at

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, think of the people that have come

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Speaker 2: Ground laughing with them or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of what we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: Why is it important that we lucid dream.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is really important to lucid dream. We we

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Speaker 3: vast library of information that we would have a hard

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Speaker 2: Is lucier dreaming vond safe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, because you know. The thing is when

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Speaker 3: recognize you recognize that. You know, it's like a great

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Speaker 3: It's not like a common dream, a restless dream where

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Speaker 3: you slowly come out of the dream. No, you're instantly back.

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Speaker 3: There's think of it as like a magnetic attraction.

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Speaker 3: That's it, that's it, the chord. Yeah, it's instantaneous, it's

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Speaker 2: Can we plan our time and place for a lucid dream?

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Speaker 3: See? I think you can, And I've had pretty good

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Speaker 3: And it's up to you. It's your dream, it's it's

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Speaker 2: Are lucid dreams more realistic than normal dreams?

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Speaker 3: That that's a good point. I mean they're really super realistic.

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Speaker 3: They're there crystal queer.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't remember flying, for example, in a lucid dream.

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Speaker 2: You can fly, you can jump, you could do anything

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty serious. It's pretty real,

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Speaker 3: Sky's the limit.

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