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Speaker 2: Another episode of Draft Season our guests. This week, we're

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Speaker 2: joined by front of the program Trevor Sakamo, who, by

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Speaker 3: And one here with this show being in number number

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Speaker 3: two thousand and one, but no, it's always good to

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Speaker 3: be with you, guys. I appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 3: I will say that doing as many shows as I

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Speaker 3: do definitely forces me to keep up with college and

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Speaker 3: pro probably more than I ever have. So it's been

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Speaker 3: fun though to have that full scope, especially knowing that

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Speaker 3: you get an eye towards the NFL Draft as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so, trev let's start here. Come big games last week,

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Speaker 2: none bigger than Ohio State Michigan. And you know, we

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Speaker 2: all joke last year that all these Ohio State kids

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Speaker 2: that could have went day two, maybe even late day

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Speaker 2: one for some of them. All went back to school

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Speaker 2: just to be Michigan didn't happen in a very ugly,

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Speaker 2: ugly game. And I'm not gonna say the bloom is

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Speaker 2: off the rows for some of these Ohio State players.

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Speaker 2: But I don't really think any of them have improved

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Speaker 3: No I would agree with you. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you know they're worse per se, but it's

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Speaker 3: not like well, I mean, it's been a tough year.

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Speaker 3: I'll say for Denzel Burke, the cornerback from Ohio State,

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Speaker 3: he really just not has not put out first round tape.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, there are a couple of players so

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Speaker 3: I do think are on the up leythan Ransom and

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Speaker 3: playing well. JT. Towoey Moloau. He didn't take that massive

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Speaker 3: some point throughout his college football career, but he now

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Speaker 3: has multiple years of tape out there where he's just

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Speaker 3: Tyler Williams, the interior defensive lineman, really good year run stopping,

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Speaker 3: but he as well, it's like, okay, well you kind

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Speaker 3: more from me as a pass rusher. We still need

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Speaker 3: the offensive line. It's a shame that the two guys

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Speaker 3: who I think really improved their stock in this team,

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed his play when I was watching his

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Speaker 3: last year's class, transfers to Ohio State, plays well this year,

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Speaker 3: and then obviously suffers the achilles injury in practice, which

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Speaker 3: They're left tackle Josh Simmons. He was my OT five

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Speaker 4: Antonio was reported this morning.

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Speaker 2: Adam Schefter had it that Simmons will be heading into

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Speaker 2: We were the same thing about Jonathan Brooks last year

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes with the injury. Your thoughts,

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean Michigan stepped up. I mean I don't

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Speaker 5: I think two in Mayola at this point last year

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Speaker 5: I mean, you look at the game that Mason Graham

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Speaker 5: Granted they were playing against a readjusted Ohio State offensive line.

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Speaker 5: But those guys, they couldn't be stopped. I think that

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Speaker 5: But Mason Graham showed why he's going to be an

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Speaker 5: Khalel Mullings, the running back who was a third string

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Speaker 5: run with it. This year, per Se had an outstanding game.

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Speaker 5: I mean that play where he worked it, he kept

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Speaker 5: And he is the guy who's very very underrated. A

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Speaker 5: bigger guy, more of a downhill ball carrier. But he's

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Speaker 5: you gotta love Max Retson. I mean he is a throwback,

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Speaker 2: You know, Travis Fonnie, This is gonna be a boring draft,

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Speaker 2: I think for people that aren't locked in on it

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Speaker 2: like we are. But a guy like you know, Mason Graham,

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Speaker 2: you watch him, you know, I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: is superstar potential, but he is as safe as a

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Speaker 2: when we get into the big board, guys like Grant,

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Speaker 2: even if it's not a premium position, safer players in

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Speaker 3: He's awesome, he really is. I mean, you do know

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Speaker 3: it's more than that. I mean, you say, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he has superstar potential in this class,

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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the best players. And the

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Speaker 3: Mason Graham not that he's a perfect player. But it's

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Speaker 3: the arm length, right. I think people are gonna look

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Speaker 3: some of that lack of length there from him on

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Speaker 3: it gives you a little bit of hesitation. When he

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Speaker 3: I mean just like extremely fast and violent hands, very

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Speaker 3: To me, he is a phenomenal pass rusher even without

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Speaker 3: also think he's got a lot of pass rush potential

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Speaker 3: even for the pro level as well. So Mason Graham

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Speaker 4: Tony, you wanted to touch on the Georgia Georgia Tech game.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, again, we see, you know, Georgia is

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Speaker 5: You know, they come into games, they don't seem prepared,

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Speaker 5: they're playing from behind, but unlike Ohio State, you know,

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Speaker 5: they end up winning. They find a way to win

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Speaker 5: He continues his fault. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Haynes King of Georgia Tech was the better quarterback and

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Speaker 5: could not move the Georgia offense, which is disturbing against

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Speaker 5: the Georgia Tech defense. Which is sort of like Michigan.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're, you know, the little train that could.

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Speaker 5: They don't have superstar talent unlike Michigan, but they get

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Speaker 5: the job done. I think I thought that was an

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Speaker 5: interesting dynamic in that game. Jackson Hawes a tight end

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Speaker 5: he's athletic, he's developing, solid pass catcher, also a real

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Speaker 5: you watch that game, Jackson Hawes was one of the

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Speaker 3: thought about Tip Ryman last year from Illinois. He was

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Speaker 3: I think that for Hawes that's sort of what you want,

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Speaker 2: Is a proud part of the New York Giants, uniting

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Speaker 2: Learned more of Moodes dot com. Well, Tony, that was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know, we looked at your big board.

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Speaker 5: No, you either reading my mind or John his feet

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Speaker 3: play offensive tackle. He's got the body type, he's got

432
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Speaker 3: the strength for it. The flashes are there, so that

433
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Speaker 3: in and of itself is also I think a reason

434
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Speaker 3: why you'd probably take him in the first round.

435
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Speaker 5: I'll go back to Marius Mims. One of the concerns

436
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Speaker 5: about Mariusmis was I believe he played eight games before

437
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Speaker 5: he entered the draft. Right, Josh Simmons is ranked as

438
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Speaker 5: your number fifteen player now coming into the season, I

439
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Speaker 5: thought that Josh Simmons had first round potential. I like

440
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Speaker 5: what I saw early early in the game, before early

441
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Speaker 5: in the season, before he went down with that knee injury,

442
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Speaker 5: and that knee injury happened early. I believe the Roberg

443
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Speaker 5: game was the fourth game of the season. Obviously, why

444
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Speaker 5: do you have him ranked as the fifteenth player overall

445
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Speaker 5: player on the board?

446
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Speaker 3: Honestly, footspeed, mirrorbility, that's what I like the most about him, truly,

447
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 3: it's that lower body athleticism with him. And the thing

448
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Speaker 3: that I would watch with him last year is even

449
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Speaker 3: when he wasn't even when it wasn't quite perfect with him,

450
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,480
Speaker 3: you could tell that he was trying to process things

451
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Speaker 3: at a very high level. Like you could tell even

452
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Speaker 3: the reps where he might lose where ah, maybe he

453
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Speaker 3: just overset a little bit, gave up the inside shoulder

454
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Speaker 3: something like that. You could tell in his head that

455
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Speaker 3: he was thinking about all the things that he should

456
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Speaker 3: be thinking about, the foot speed, the first step exactly

457
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Speaker 3: where it needed to be, hitting his landmarks, making sure

458
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 3: his hands were up, winning with a certain punch. But

459
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Speaker 3: then a defensive lineman maybe just hit him with a

460
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Speaker 3: really good counter. And it's the way that I sort

461
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Speaker 3: of watched him process things while the play was going

462
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Speaker 3: on that I go, man, I like the size, I

463
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Speaker 3: like the movement ability, and I think that you're approaching

464
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Speaker 3: the game the right way. At that point in time,

465
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Speaker 3: I go, if you give me more snaps, if you

466
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Speaker 3: give me more reps. Now I think we got something

467
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Speaker 3: that to agree with you. You got first round potential.

468
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Speaker 3: And again in a class where I think offensive linemen

469
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Speaker 3: and defensive linemen are really going to own the first

470
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Speaker 3: round of this draft. This is somebody who if the

471
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Speaker 3: knee at least checks out. When we get to the

472
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Speaker 3: combine and we're doing rechecks and that, you know, everybody

473
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Speaker 3: goes like, hey, yep, you know what it's coming along, Well,

474
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Speaker 3: everything's going great, no complications, nothing like that. Even if

475
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Speaker 3: he's not ready for week one, they're week one thing.

476
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Speaker 3: I agree with you, I think it's a little overblown.

477
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Speaker 3: It's like, make sure the guy is good to go

478
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Speaker 3: and ready to go, because I think just the way

479
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Speaker 3: that he approaches pass blocking in particular is a really

480
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Speaker 3: good skill set that we see with his tape.

481
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Speaker 5: Already a lot of people like this player. I'm on

482
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Speaker 5: the outside looking and maybe I'm wrong. We'll see Wyatt

483
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Speaker 5: Millimum of West Virginia to tackle. What do you like

484
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Speaker 5: about him? He's your eighteenth rated player.

485
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Speaker 3: I think that he is like Will Campbell, but I

486
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Speaker 3: don't even want to say like a Will Campbell light

487
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Speaker 3: but it's sort of that same archetype where these are

488
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Speaker 3: bigger players but might lack a little bit of arm length,

489
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Speaker 3: and I don't think his feet move quite as quick

490
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Speaker 3: as Will Campbell's do. But I think the guy just

491
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: knows how to play offensive line. I really do. He's

492
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Speaker 3: got one of the highest pass blocking and run blocking

493
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Speaker 3: grades that we've got in PFF so far this season

494
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Speaker 3: dem near elite as a PFF pass blocker, has not

495
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Speaker 3: given up many pressures. I don't know if he's given

496
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Speaker 3: up a single sack of this season. I can't remember

497
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Speaker 3: off the top of my head. Haven't checked it in

498
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. But I mean he has been

499
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Speaker 3: a stone wall there for them. And so just again,

500
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Speaker 3: the way that he approaches pass blocking to me, is

501
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Speaker 3: so advanced in what he is able to do. I

502
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Speaker 3: think that he's if you want to kick him in

503
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Speaker 3: guard into guard, I think that he'd be a fantastic

504
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Speaker 3: guard at the NFL level. And again we talk about

505
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Speaker 3: guys having higher floors. You know, John mentioned, are teams

506
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Speaker 3: going to gravitate towards higher floors this year as opposed

507
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Speaker 3: to maybe taking the chances of flyers with players with

508
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Speaker 3: maybe a little bit higher ceiling. To me, Milam is

509
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Speaker 3: going to resonate with a lot of teams that might say, hey,

510
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Speaker 3: it's not the best draft class in the world, let

511
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Speaker 3: me go get a guy that I know is going

512
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Speaker 3: to be a starter for me in my opinion. Why

513
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Speaker 3: Milam is that because of how how he processes things

514
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Speaker 3: and how smart he is with how he's attacking those

515
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Speaker 3: pass rushers, even with maybe a little bit of physical

516
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Speaker 3: limitations to him.

517
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Speaker 5: A guy you mentioned earlier that we're going to disagree

518
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Speaker 5: on Josh Connelly of Oregon. I love Josh Connelly. I

519
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Speaker 5: think he's got first round potential. I think his top

520
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Speaker 5: fifteen fifty pick, top forty five pick, you got him

521
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Speaker 5: ranked as one hundred and fourteen. I see a lot

522
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Speaker 5: of Kelvin Banks and Josh Connelly. I see the mobility.

523
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Speaker 5: I see the agility. I see the ability to slide

524
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Speaker 5: out in pass protection, get out on the second level.

525
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Speaker 5: I think he's going to be guard like Kelvin Banks.

526
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Speaker 5: It's going to be his own blocking guard. What is

527
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Speaker 5: it about Josh Connelly that you don't like that you

528
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Speaker 5: have him outside your top one hundred.

529
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Speaker 3: So I did not love him coming into the season

530
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Speaker 3: because last year's tape I thought was really raw, you

531
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Speaker 3: know where. I looked at Kelvin Banks and I said, Okay,

532
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: he's got some rawness to his film. But I think

533
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Speaker 3: he was a little bit even further along certainly, I

534
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Speaker 3: shouldn't even say a little bit. He was quite a

535
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Speaker 3: bit more further along, in my opinion in somebody who

536
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Speaker 3: I felt better about his NFL projection than Connory. He

537
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Speaker 3: has been better as of late. I think he was

538
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Speaker 3: off to a little bit of a slow start to

539
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Speaker 3: this season and sort of when we get back to

540
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Speaker 3: offensive tackle reviews, I think he could certainly make a

541
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Speaker 3: jump into my top one hundred, maybe even top seventy five.

542
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Speaker 3: But I just had some concerns with him about how

543
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Speaker 3: he was processing path strushes coming at him. I felt

544
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Speaker 3: like he would give up his inside shoulder a little

545
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: bit too much. Sometimes I felt like he struggled with strength,

546
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Speaker 3: you know, sometimes a little bit. I feel like that

547
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: with Calvin Banks two, they're a little bit too finesse.

548
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Speaker 3: And when you're a little bit too finess as a

549
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 3: as an offensive tackle man, that just it gives me

550
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: a little cause for concern. Because it's a powerful players

551
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Speaker 3: game at the NFL level. We are seeing that you

552
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: have there is a prerequisite for power at the NFL level,

553
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Speaker 3: and going into this season, and even at the beginning

554
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Speaker 3: of the season, I didn't feel like Connorley was playing

555
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 3: with that power that I wanted to see him play with.

556
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Speaker 3: So I think just looking at the grades and his

557
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: performances over the last couple of weeks, it feels like

558
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: he's playing better in that regard. But we'll get to

559
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 3: his tape in the final reviews. But that's ultimately why

560
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: he has been lower for me than others is I've

561
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Speaker 3: got a little bit of concerns that he might be

562
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: a little bit too finesse for the NFL level A.

563
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Speaker 4: Right, Trevor, I want to ask about this class overall, and.

564
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Speaker 1: This is what I threw this through this year earlier

565
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Speaker 1: this week's to be ready for the question if you

566
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Speaker 1: take last year's class combined with this year's class of

567
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Speaker 1: the top twenty picks, how many of those guys would

568
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Speaker 1: come from the twenty twenty five draft class.

569
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I think it's a fantastic question, right,

570
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Speaker 3: And it's one of the questions that it's sort of

571
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 3: one of the first ones that we get dassed every

572
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Speaker 3: year because people want to have a good idea of like, Okay,

573
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Speaker 3: you're talking to me about this guy being good, this

574
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Speaker 3: guy being good, but how good like compared it to

575
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Speaker 3: last year's class. I think there are six or seven

576
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Speaker 3: players I would say that I would take from this

577
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: year's class to last year's class. Travis Hunter is one

578
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Speaker 3: of them, Mason Graham is another. Ashton Genty is another

579
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Speaker 3: Abdual Carter. So that's four that I think we would

580
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Speaker 3: get into the top forty. Then I think we're talking

581
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 3: about Will Johnson and Tetro McMillan as the six. Tetro

582
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: McMillan is probably the one that you know the more

583
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: I kind of watch of him. I like him a lot. Obviously,

584
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: it was a star studded wide receiver class last year,

585
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: so maybe that skews where I might have put him

586
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: in the top twenty. But I looked at my top

587
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: twenty big board from last year and then I compared

588
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: it with this year, and I started to put these

589
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 3: guys a little bit in the list, and so I

590
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: would say six or seven players from this year that

591
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: I would get into the top twenty of last year.

592
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Speaker 2: And I think it's telling you did not mention a

593
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: quarterback in your list of players, and that's where I

594
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: want to take you next. You have Jilan Milroe as

595
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: your number one quarterback, and now you can work closing quick.

596
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: I think he's right next to him on the board right,

597
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: and then you have Shodor Standers a few spots back.

598
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: When you look at this quarterback class, we had Dan

599
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: Bruglan a couple weeks ago he said he'd have this

600
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: year's class in that Pennix Knicks area time to time

601
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: of that range.

602
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: I know you were a big Knicks guy last year.

603
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: You must love watching the Broncos as you must be

604
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: patting yourself in the back all day long. But why

605
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 2: Milroe ahead of those other two guys? And I know

606
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: this is your big board. They're gonna get picked higher

607
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: than that, That's just the way they go. But what

608
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: are your concerns with this class in general? And why

609
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: do you have Milray ahead of those other two guys

610
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: right now?

611
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Overall? I mean if you were asking me, like, hey,

612
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: which quarterbacks go in the first round as of right

613
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: now will recording this obviously early December, I would tell

614
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: you that Shadur Sanders and cam Ward are going to

615
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: be the two quarterbacks that I think go in the

616
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Speaker 3: first round. I don't know if we get any other

617
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the first round. I like Milroe a lot,

618
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: and I would say that I like Milroe's potential a lot,

619
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Speaker 3: and in a quarterback class where I feel like I've

620
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: got to bet on potential because that's how you got

621
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Speaker 3: to set up these conversations with these quarterbacks. None of

622
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Speaker 3: them are, like you said, the guys from last year's class,

623
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Speaker 3: Jade and Caleb Williams, Drake may like, none of them

624
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: are those guys in a lot of ways. They're not

625
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: even Pennix and Nicks and how established those players were

626
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 3: coming out of college to the NFL level. So if

627
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: you know that none of these quarterbacks have that type

628
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: of hype, well then at that point you got to

629
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 3: sort of look at what they are and what they

630
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: could be. Cam Ward, it's been fantastic this year with

631
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 3: the big time throws, but the turnover worthy plays and

632
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: just those crazy throws, those Jameis Winston or will Levis

633
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: type decisions from him. They have existed throughout his entire

634
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: college football career, from Incarnate Word to Washington State to

635
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: even now with Miami. Now the good is outweighing the

636
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: bad still with cam Ward this season, I want to

637
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: make that very clear. And he gives you that big

638
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: game hunter mentality to play the quarterback position the way

639
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: you need to to win games in the NFL. But man,

640
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: there is still that drawback for him of thinking that

641
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: he can get away with passes that you just absolutely

642
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: cannot at the NFL level. If he improves in that regard, okay,

643
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: but that's still when you look at that's been his

644
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: nature the whole time. It's tough to really get that

645
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: out of somebody. Shador Sanders and I'm just comparing these

646
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: guys before I get the Milrow. Shador Sanders, I think

647
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: he operates the pocket pretty well, but his pressure to

648
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: sack ratio has been really high over the last couple

649
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: of years. I think he handles pressure well. I think

650
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: he's got a handful of big time throws. He understands

651
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: how to play that quarterback position, especially in the biggest moments.

652
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: But I don't think that Chudor has the best arm.

653
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: I really don't. I mean my comfer Shudor coming out

654
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: is Teddy Bridgewater right now. And I love Teddy like

655
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: Teddy was great. When Teddy was coming out of Louisville,

656
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: he was a nails thrower. I mean when his back

657
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: was against the wall, I mean he could make the

658
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: big time throw for you. He'd take the hint he'd

659
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: delivered the throw, and if that's sort of what you

660
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: want from the quarterback position, obviously should gives you the

661
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: ability to do that. But Teddy in not the best

662
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: arm in the world. You know, is more of a

663
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: step down, maybe a Tier three arm for the NFL level,

664
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Speaker 3: And I think that that's kind of where we're at

665
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: with Shador Sanders. He might be a little bit limited

666
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: when it comes to that overall arm talent. Milroe I

667
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: think is the biggest project of the three quarterbacks that

668
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: we're talking about here. He is the most inconsistent right now.

669
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: But if I'm going to take a bet on a guy,

670
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: Milroe is somebody who won. He gives you the dual

671
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: threat ability of where the game is going, getting more

672
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: dual threat ability from the rush from the from the

673
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: quarterback position. When it comes to utilizing their legs, I

674
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: don't worry about his arm talent. I think the guy's

675
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: got a cannon of an arm, you know, when it

676
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: comes to distance and velocity, which I think is very

677
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: very important. And I just think that, you know, when

678
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: I've this is a big part of it too, And

679
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: this is the part of the puzzle that is often

680
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: the most clouded when we sort of on this side

681
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: of things go through the draft process, you don't really

682
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: get to sit down with these guys and get to

683
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: know them as much as you would And for the

684
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: quarterback position, it's paramount that you have to get to

685
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: know who these players are. From getting coached by Nick

686
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: Saban to the things that I've heard from Jalen Milroe

687
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: this season, he seems like somebody who is just incredibly focused,

688
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: incredibly team centric human. He does what he wants, what

689
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: he needs to do for the team to win, and

690
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: he just seems like somebody who is going to strive

691
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: to be the best version of themselves at all times.

692
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: And that work ethic is so important for having a

693
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: franchise caliber quarterback. And everything that I have heard and

694
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: read and watched the Jalen Milroe when it comes to

695
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: when the helmet comes off, tells me that he is

696
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: going to work to get to that point. So now

697
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: I feel a little bit safer in saying, all right, well,

698
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: I need him to get better, but I think he's

699
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: got the mentality to want to get better as well.

700
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: So it's a lot of those things. Milroe, I understand,

701
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: is sort of the biggest wild card of all of this.

702
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: Now, Tony loves It's not just you. Tony loves him some.

703
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: Jalen Milroe, He's on board with you.

704
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, if I've got a bet on

705
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: one of these guys, give me the guy who I

706
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about when it comes to arm talent.

707
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: Gives you the dual threat of Bill and somebody who

708
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: has been saying a lot of the right things over

709
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: the last couple of years to give you that perseverance,

710
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: that work ethic that you need to be a franchise

711
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL.

712
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 5: Well, let me ask you about Milroe because it's John

713
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: Tolly's From our first show this season, I was all

714
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 5: over him. I thought he had the ability to make

715
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 5: a Jaden Daniels type of jump to the top of

716
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 5: the draft. That's not going to happen. But watching in

717
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 5: the past couple of weeks, there's a concerning that he

718
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 5: seems to be relying more on his running ability than

719
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 5: his passing ability. I mean, his running numbers are great,

720
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 5: his passing numbers is stagnant. And I agree with you,

721
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 5: he is an incredible leader and everything you hear about him.

722
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 5: But my concern is, you know, on a Sunday afternoon,

723
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: if the arm's not there, if he's not into a groove,

724
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: he realizes more on his running ability, which is nice,

725
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 5: but when that is predominant, or that is your main

726
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 5: avenue of gaining yardage as a quarterback, that could lead

727
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 5: to disaster.

728
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: No, I do agree with you there. I mean probably

729
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: the working comp right now for him is justin fields

730
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: right where you have a flow of how good you

731
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: are as a rushing threat as a quarterback. But there's

732
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. You have to be able to

733
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: throw the ball in the NFL to be a successful quarterback,

734
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: and you have to be able to get to that point.

735
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: So it does worry me, and that's sort of why

736
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: I have. I have more reservations now which Jaylen Milroe

737
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: towards the end of the season than I did at

738
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: the beginning. I mean, the Georgia game was incredible. I

739
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: watched the Georgia game and even the Vanderbilt game after that.

740
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: They lose that Vanderbilt game, but Milroe was fantastic. And

741
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: it's those two games that you watch him put throw

742
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: after throw together and you go, okay, well again, if

743
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: you give me the rushing ability this guy has, and

744
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: you give me this type of passing ability. Now we're

745
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: talking about a QB one type of a guy. But

746
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks, you know, the Oklahoma game,

747
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: the last few games, you're right where he's relied much

748
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: more as a runner to be successful. It does worry

749
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: me a little bit. Now I'm curious to see. It

750
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: looks like they're gonna make the college football Playoff, So

751
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: it looks like we're gonna get at least one more

752
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: game out of him. What does that look like in

753
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: what is the biggest game of the year. And more important,

754
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: I think this is this is a this is a

755
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: key part of it too. You talk about him being

756
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: more of a rushing threat. I wonder if that's the

757
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: game plan, right. I wonder if the coaches are saying, hey,

758
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: maybe behind the scenes, you know, maybe you don't just

759
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: you don't say this to him outright, but you go like, hey,

760
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: we need to run the ball more with Jalen, then

761
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: we need to throw the ball with him. And I

762
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: think that could be you know, a little bit of

763
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: an indictment as well. What's the game plan look like

764
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: with Jalen Milroe if they end up getting into the

765
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: college football Playoff and playing one of those games, because

766
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: he needs if he's gonna be QB one in this class,

767
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: in my opinion, he needs another game where he can

768
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: show you what he can do with his arm. And

769
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: if he doesn't get that in whatever this next college

770
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: football playoff opportunity is, I don't know if he's going

771
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: to have enough team to go number one to be

772
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: the first quarterback off the.

773
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: Board, Final one, Krev.

774
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: And then Tony has a bunch of individuals he wants

775
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: to get to really fast. Last one for me, we

776
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: talked about kind of maybe looking for higher floor rather

777
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: than higher ceiling. I think this might also be the

778
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: all right, maybe we will take a safety in the

779
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: top ten. All right, maybe we will take a running

780
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: back in the top ten. You know, xt year's class

781
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: was littered with premium players at premium positions, right, whether

782
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: we're wide receiver, quarterback, offensive tackle. You don't see that

783
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: this year, So I do won their teams are just

784
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: gonna say, you know what, I'm gonna get a good player,

785
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: even if it's not a premium spot. At least I

786
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: know this guy is going to be very good.

787
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think that that could absolutely be the case.

788
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: And you got two great examples in ash Gent, which

789
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: we've already talked about, and Malchi Starks from Georgia as safeties.

790
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: And you often see those guys and you go, okay, well,

791
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 3: safety is running backs. You can kind of get them

792
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: whenever you don't need to draft him in the first round.

793
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: I think that both of those guys are going to

794
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: be first round picks when it's all said and done,

795
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: because of not only how talented they are. But you're right,

796
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: it's not exactly littered with all sorts of premium positions.

797
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this too. I mean, we might get

798
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: two tight ends in the first round. You know, we

799
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: might get Kolston Loveland and Tyler Warren. They might make

800
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: it in the first round.

801
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: And then defensive tackles too, that that's an un sexy position,

802
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: but there's gonna be a.

803
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: Lot of DT's picked, a lot of DT's picked. I mean,

804
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: Mason Graham, we talked about Kenneth Grant, you know, Walter Nolan.

805
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: Whether you view him as more of an odd front

806
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: defensive end or you view him as a true interior

807
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: defensive tackle for an even front, you know, like he is.

808
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: Somebody who's on the rise as well, Derek Harmon from Oregon,

809
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: who I'm a little bit lower on, but it's certainly

810
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: having a phenomenal year. He can get himself very high

811
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: into the top fifty. There's no doubt about that with

812
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: how we hear conversations. But even beyond round one, with

813
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: the tight end class, I think it's a great year.

814
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: You need a tight end, and a lot of people

815
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: just sort of think about that position as an afterthought.

816
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: But Gunner, Helm Eli Stowers, Mason Taylor, Harold Fannin Like,

817
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: there is a lot of tight ends to really like

818
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: in this class, so it feels like a pretty good

819
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: year to need. Like a running back. It's a very

820
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: deep running back class beyond gent, but tight end as well.

821
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: Maybe a lot of those quote unquote unsexy positions he

822
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: can get those throughout rounds two and three.

823
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: I agree with you.

824
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: I agree with you on Harmon. I mean, some people

825
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 5: talking about him his top fifteen pick. He's nice, but

826
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 5: I just don't see it go through a couple of

827
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: individual players for you. Mecchabuke, the wide receiver from Ohio State,

828
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 5: he is your number sixteen player. I just don't see it.

829
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: I thought maybe last year going through the year, he

830
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: could be a potential first round pick with second fiddle

831
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 5: to Marvin Harrison, last year with second fiddle to his

832
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 5: second fid ol to Jeremiah Smith. This year at loses

833
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 5: out to Carneal Tate. I think he's a nice complementary

834
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 5: receiver in a bouquet what what what does he show? Well,

835
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 5: what does he have that you have that gives you?

836
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: Gives him that fifteenth ranking for you.

837
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: There's too many times I watch Agbuka where I can't

838
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: help but think of either Dj Moore or Amon Ross

839
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: Saint Brown. There's just too many times that I watch

840
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: him where I think of those two receivers for me

841
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: to have him too much lower. And you know, DJ

842
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: Moore obviously is somebody who was drafted a lot higher.

843
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: But you know, a'man Ross Saint Brown, somebody who's drafted

844
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: a lot lower who has certainly become one of the

845
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: best wide receivers in the NFL. And if Buka is

846
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: somebody who sort of your your your point in your evaluation,

847
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 3: not to discredit it at all, like he doesn't quite

848
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: blow you away in really any category, but I feel

849
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: like he just he is somebody who understands how to

850
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: win at the position so well, and if he continues

851
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: to have that sort of work ethic, because let's be

852
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: very clear, i'mon Ross Saint Brown is very talented, but

853
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: just like Puka Nakua, the reason why he is this

854
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: productive he is is because he wants it more than

855
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: anybody else. It feels like he has worked so hard

856
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: to get every single ounce out of his talent that

857
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: he has had in the NFL, and we're obviously seeing

858
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: an unbelievable, unbelievably productive player if Buca sort of has

859
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: that sort of mentality. In my opinion, he does so

860
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: many things well. He's got the quick feet, he's got

861
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: the good route running savviness, he knows how to sit

862
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: in zone, he's got reliable hands, and he's a little

863
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: bit bigger than Amaras Saint Brown is as well. Is

864
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: he the twitchiest guy, Is he the fastest guy? Is

865
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: he the biggest guy? No, but I do think he

866
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: has really well rounded games. Sometimes that can end up

867
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 3: in a very productive player, like I'm on Ross Saint Brown.

868
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: Sometimes it can make you jag ad just a guy,

869
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: as they we'll say in the scouting world. But I

870
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: think at BUCA very clearly, with him being in my

871
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: top twenty is more towards that. I'm on Ross Saint

872
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: Brown type of archetype.

873
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: You got Shann ARVELI cornerback from East Carolina at number

874
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 5: thirty five. The guy's got incredible size, speed numbers. I

875
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 5: thought he showed a lot of development in his game

876
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 5: of progress in his ball skills early on before he

877
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: went down with that knee injury in practice. Is the

878
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 5: thirty five thirty fifth ranking based on the fact that

879
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: he only played a short amount of games this season.

880
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: I agree with it, but you know, it's sort of

881
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 5: like Josh Simmons. I think if Ravel had a full

882
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 5: season behind him and kept progressing, we're talking about him

883
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 5: as a top twenty player in this draft.

884
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: It's hard for corner right one. He's coming off an

885
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: ACL injury, and ACL obviously means a lot for a

886
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: position that demands athleticism, and he's incredibly athletic. I watched

887
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: him over the summer and I was like, Okay, all right,

888
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: we got something here. I mean, this dude has the size,

889
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: he's got the fluidity, he's twitched up, he's got that

890
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: overall athleticism. I mean when you watch him, though it's

891
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: not like his game is totally perfect right now, I

892
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: still think he at times is reacting in state of

893
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: anticipating and he's relying on that athleticism that size to

894
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: sort of make up for it. Like Tarik Wooland is

895
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: a player like that. At the NFL level, Well, Tarik

896
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: Woolman will give you some incredible plays because of how

897
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: big and how fast and how athletic he is. But

898
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: there are other times where we've seen, even this season,

899
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: some games where Rulings really struggling because he's failing to

900
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: anticipate and instead he's just reacting and saying, well, I'm

901
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: big and fast enough to be able to react to

902
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: this guy and make a play on the ball. At

903
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: the NFL level, it's not always a guarantee. I like

904
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: how Revel started this season, there's no doubt about it.

905
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: But it's hard for me to look at how he

906
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: played in his first couple of games and say, okay,

907
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: get well, if we just project out a full season

908
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: of that, because as you guys both know, Horner is

909
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: so up and down naturally. I mean, we're looking at it,

910
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: look at Sauce Gardner right was the best corner in football,

911
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: it felt like for two straight years and now this

912
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: year fully healthy. Nonehing wrong with him, just a down year.

913
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: It's just hard to play the position that consistently, and

914
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: for Chavon Revel, he gives you a lot of what

915
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 3: you would want. But I still think that anticipation part

916
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: of his game is something that needs to improve, and

917
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: I just haven't seen it consistently from him him being

918
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: that dominant player with all of that athletics. So that's

919
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: why I think he certainly if you told me, hey,

920
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a bet on him in the first round,

921
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 3: I'd go, Okay, totally, I get it. But that's why

922
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: he stacks up more as that early second, late first

923
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: round fringe type of a player, where I've also seen

924
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: him much higher on big bars from other people that

925
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: I respect.

926
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 5: Ashton Jillette, the defensive lineman from Louisville. You have number

927
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 5: forty five. I thought top forty five coming into the

928
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 5: season was an absolute possibility for him. But he's fallen

929
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 5: off the face of the earth, it seems. I mean,

930
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: his production has you know, it is a fraction of

931
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 5: what it was a year ago. What is it this year,

932
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 5: especially compared to last year that keeps in your mind,

933
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 5: keeps him as the forty fifth best player in the draft.

934
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: Going back to what we were talking about with offensive

935
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: tackle play, when you play in the trenches, power is

936
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: a prerequisite, and nobody plays with more power, it feels

937
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: like consistently than this dude. I mean, his legs, his

938
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 3: butt are tree trunks. He has got this low leverage.

939
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: He knows how to keep his pad level low and

940
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: when he fires off the line of scrimmage. Something that

941
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: I noted with his scouting when we were doing summer

942
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: scouting is I'm like, Okay, I love that you play physical.

943
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're more focused on hitting the offensive lineman than

944
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 3: you are getting to the quarterback as quickly as possible.

945
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: But it's one of those things where it's like, all right, well,

946
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: I still like that about you, that you're able to

947
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: do something like that. But the bull rush, the stack

948
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: and shed ability, I mean just the power, the speed

949
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: of power that this guy has. He's not Jared Verse,

950
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: but we're seeing right now, like when you have a

951
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: powerful profile to you at that type of a level,

952
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: we're seeing what a Jared Verse could be in the NFL.

953
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: And again, I'm not saying that Julotti is the exact

954
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: same as Jared Verse, but it is sort of. He

955
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: approaches the game the same way that Verse does in

956
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: that I just want to run straight through your chest

957
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: at all times. He's never afraid to be physical, and so, yeah,

958
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: the production is down a little bit, but I've still

959
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: got faith in who the player is and how much

960
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: power he plays with.

961
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 5: Go back to Ohio State. Why Jack Sawyer over JT

962
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 5: two and Melowa.

963
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: Over the last couple of years, he's just been a

964
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: lot more productive system like, He's just been a much

965
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: higher passers win percentage player. He's been a better run defender,

966
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: he's got more solo stops. He's somebody who I just

967
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: think has a little bit better hand usage. Although I

968
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: will say I feel like Tom Miloaa has had a

969
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: little bit better hand usage. He's been able to stay

970
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: clean a little bit more this year. And so Touey Moloaw,

971
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I don't think that he's going

972
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: to be a first round pick. He's solidified himself somewhere

973
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: within day two. But Jack Sawyer to me is somebody

974
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: who I still think he's got that shot to be

975
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: a first round pick because of how well he has

976
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 3: graded on a play by play basis throughout this season.

977
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: Six five, two hundred and sixty five pounds. I mean,

978
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: he's got the NFL size to play as that four

979
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: to three defensive end. He's not the tweitchiest dude. He's

980
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: not the bendiest dude. But he's very scheme versatile in

981
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: what you would want him to do. Some teams are

982
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: going to love that. Some teams are going to want

983
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: more of a streamline sort of position for him. But

984
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: to me, just that versatility and that floor of how

985
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: well he has played over the last two years. Almost

986
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: an elite overall grade in our system over these last

987
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 3: two years because of how consistent he has been. That's

988
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: why I've got swayer over Toymlow.

989
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 5: Talk about two small school offensive linemen that are in

990
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: your top one hundred, is Abel of North Dakota State

991
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 5: to tackle and Charles Grant of william and Mary the

992
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: offensive tackle college offensive tackles. Are they going to be

993
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 5: offensive tackles on Sunday or are they going to be guards?

994
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: Probably not you. I think that Zabels to me is

995
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: going to follow the gram Barton path and I don't

996
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: know if that means specifically at center, but when I

997
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: watch him, it's so hard to not see Graham Barton

998
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: because they play the game the same way. And the

999
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: first couple of things that you would write down for

1000
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: the strengths of their scouting report is vice grips four hands.

1001
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: When Zabel gets his hands on you up and inside,

1002
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: which he often does, he ain't letting go. I mean

1003
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: he's got a great course strength to him as well.

1004
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: He comes from and I know that teams are gonna

1005
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: love this. He won three straight championships when he was

1006
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: in high school, goes to an incredibly successful program in

1007
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: North Dakota State, and is able to develop into a

1008
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: starting offensive lineman there. Winner in high school, successful in

1009
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: high school, winner in college, successful in college. So the

1010
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: NFL is going to love that part of him that

1011
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: he just knows how to win at the trench spot.

1012
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: You mentioned he plays left tackle right now, I don't

1013
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: think he's going to be an offensive tackle at the

1014
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: NFL level. I think he's going to be a guard,

1015
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: perhaps the center. But I think the same with with

1016
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: Charles Grant from William and Mary as well. He is

1017
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: very clearly. You turn on his tape. Basically any game

1018
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: you watch, you go, Okay, that's an NFL player playing

1019
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: against the guys that probably aren't going to make it

1020
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: at a pro level. And it's just very easy to

1021
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: see that he's got the ideal build. He's got that

1022
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 3: ideal I think movement skills at the at the offensive

1023
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: tackle position for where he is playing right now, but

1024
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 3: I think those movement skills also translate inside. I've heard

1025
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: I didn't think about this, but I've heard people talk

1026
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: about him at center, and he's going to the Senior Bowl.

1027
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: We're going to get to see him at the Senior Bowl.

1028
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: And like we've seen with you know, like guys like

1029
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: like Cody Mack and and and and Graham Barton and

1030
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 3: like players like that, Like they will play these guys

1031
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: at a bunch of different positions, and I think that

1032
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: Grant is going to be one of those guys that

1033
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 3: you want to key on because where are they putting him?

1034
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: And I think he's going to be able to get

1035
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: a chance to play center. And I'm really curious as

1036
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 3: to what he's gonna be like a center, because as

1037
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: a polar as a zone blocker, like I think he

1038
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 3: moved super well. And if he was in the middle

1039
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: of that offensive line and he's good with snapping the football,

1040
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: I think that again, that's just those movement skills are

1041
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: very enticing to me with him as an interior player,

1042
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: perhaps even in the center.

1043
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, the lack of size is an issue for granted.

1044
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 5: I'll tell everybody if you can go back and watch

1045
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 5: that North Dakota State Colorado game, because Zabel was outstanding

1046
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 5: in that game. I mean, he really stepped up. Final

1047
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 5: guy for me, somebody I really like a lot talked

1048
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 5: about him over the summer. No one was paying attention

1049
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 5: to him. Transfer from New Mexico State to Vanderbilt. Eli Stowers,

1050
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 5: I mean, a real athletic move sort of tight end

1051
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 5: who catches the ball. Well, it's under the radar. Guy

1052
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 5: he is going to trying game. I'm glad to see

1053
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 5: you had him in your top eighty. Is he a blocker?

1054
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 5: Is he move tight end? Is he guy you're gonna

1055
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 5: line up the slot, you're gonna put motion? Can you

1056
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: do all those things with them? But what do you

1057
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 5: think about.

1058
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: I think he could be really flexible with him, but

1059
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: where he's gonna you know, butter his bread, if you will,

1060
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: is going to be as a receiver and as an athlete.

1061
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 3: You know, his story is funny. You know you mentioned

1062
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: that he comes over from New Mexico State. You know,

1063
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 3: so did Diego Pavia, the quarterback who is at Vanderbilt.

1064
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: And when both of those guys were at New Mexico State,

1065
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: Eli Stowers was actually a quarterback at first and Diego

1066
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: Pavia beat him out for the quarterback job. And it

1067
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: was then at that point that Stowers is like, Okay,

1068
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: well I want to get on the football field. They

1069
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: try him out at tight end and he plays very

1070
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: well at tight end while he was there. Both of

1071
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: those guys transfer over to Vanderbilt, and very clearly the

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Speaker 3: chemistry is there. And even in some of Pavia's biggest

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Speaker 3: praised Stowers and said, dude, that dad is an NFL player,

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Speaker 3: Like that is the dude who helps me make the

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Speaker 3: and linebackers, like normally, he's just too quick, he's too athletic,

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Speaker 3: he's got great hands, and when you can play the

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Speaker 3: quarterback position. You normally you're coming from a high school

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Speaker 3: background where you're the best athlete on the field, and

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Speaker 3: they probably just want to get you the ball in

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Speaker 3: just loses the job out to Diego Pave and then

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Speaker 3: they go, dude, you're so athletic, we got to get

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Speaker 3: you on the field. Let's put you a tight end.

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Speaker 3: And we talk about that with quarterbacks sometimes, but this,

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Speaker 3: who has embraced what it's like to play tight end.

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Speaker 3: And he's only been playing full time tight end for

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Speaker 3: NFL level.

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Speaker 5: Again, the main those guys transferring to Vanderbilt, which Jerry

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Speaker 5: killed a coach who was in.

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Speaker 4: Yep, surev You're awesome at this. You're a gentleman.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the time my friend tell us about some of

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Speaker 2: those thousands of podcasts you're doing over at PFF, so

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Speaker 2: people know where to find you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all day, every day, it feels like. Over on

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Speaker 3: the PFF YouTube channel, you can see all the preview

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Speaker 3: and review shows. We're previewing every single game, We're reviewing

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Speaker 3: every single game. We've got a couple of specialized shows,

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Speaker 3: a Quarterback Specialized Show with Seth Galina and the Trenches

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Speaker 3: Show with Ali Conley, a rookie review with John Ledyard

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Speaker 3: that we do every single week, and those shows are

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun. And then, of course, if the

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft is your is your main focus, the NFL

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Speaker 3: Stock Exchanged Podcast with myself and Connor Rogers for having

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun doing that. And we're just about

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Speaker 3: to dig into these early position rankings where we're starting

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Speaker 3: to do a lot of the final film evous now

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Speaker 3: that the regular season is done in college football, so

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Speaker 3: that's coming a little bit later this month and as

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Speaker 3: we get up to All Star weekend, when we get

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Speaker 3: to the end of January, d.

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Speaker 2: I have enjoy the holidays, enjoy the new year, and

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Speaker 2: we'll catch up back with you once the season's over,

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Guys anytime.

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Speaker 2: That's Draft season. Brought to you by Moody's for Tony

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Speaker 2: Pauline and Trever. Second, Mon'm John Shmel. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: next time.

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Speaker 4: Everybody,