Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 2: We need more pistachios than Joey Bosa. Welcome to another
Speaker 2: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 2: sitting in the host chair for Dan Kansas Today in
Speaker 2: the Chris Westling Podcast studio in a room with one
Speaker 2: hero that's more accessive. Well, you're a hero, that would
Speaker 2: be two. We've got two heroes. We've got Eric behind
Speaker 2: the glass. We've got Christy and Cynthia back there. We've
Speaker 2: got a gang. We've got a legion of thousands. Randy, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's I'm in a different chair and the glare is difficult.
Speaker 2: We were left to wait though, to start the show.
Speaker 2: The Mark by you know, like the number one diva
Speaker 2: at NFL Network, Move the Sticks doing his mock draft lives. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 3: They were producing it, you know, in a different part
Speaker 3: of the building, but through our you know, behind the
Speaker 3: glass area. And so we started late because Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 3: and you know his cast of characters refused to go
Speaker 3: quiet when we needed them to.
Speaker 2: Right. Jeremiah, you know, it's his time of year and
Speaker 2: he just flexes his muscles because he's missed your draft,
Speaker 2: pushing his weight around Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's well said, and it's you know, it's a
Speaker 3: surprise character reveal for an aspect of DJ that you
Speaker 3: wouldn't often claim to see. But it's it's it's ripe
Speaker 3: right now and he's doing what he's what he's typically
Speaker 3: doing to the summer.
Speaker 2: Now that said, we are trying to book him for
Speaker 2: the show at some point, yes, so he doesn't, you know,
Speaker 2: we just keep this expertise. Dan is in Hawaii, the official,
Speaker 2: you know, high falutin location for around the NFL vacations.
Speaker 2: Apparently our kids are both on spring break for these
Speaker 2: two weeks. So I was there last week, he's there
Speaker 2: this week, and then we really start cranking up back
Speaker 2: to three days a week. Sounds like I missed a
Speaker 2: fun week here, You missed a lively a lively couple
Speaker 2: of shows. Or are you and Dan renting the same
Speaker 2: place out in I don't know that. But it was
Speaker 2: a lovely time. We got the Watson Abbes together, her parents,
Speaker 2: my parents together for the first time and I think
Speaker 2: fifteen years something like that. So it was lovely. And
Speaker 2: now we're back and we're gonna have a couple draft
Speaker 2: centered shows here. We got Josh Norris coming on in
Speaker 2: just a little bit to go through our first mock
Speaker 2: draft of the season. We're gonna each put our heads
Speaker 2: into the general manager's minds really and go through the
Speaker 2: top ten picks. We'll also have a couple of picks
Speaker 2: that we would like to see and we didn't do
Speaker 2: with them. We didn't do this ahead of time. We're
Speaker 2: not now like anything could happen. I don't know what's
Speaker 2: going to happen. I'm very excited for it. Josh Norris
Speaker 2: one of the great draft minds out there, just one
Speaker 2: of the great football minds over at Underdog. But before that,
Speaker 2: we just got a little bit of news. Eric from
Speaker 2: behind the glass, as.
Speaker 1: We all know, decided to really go ahead and start
Speaker 1: to take.
Speaker 2: Command one of my all time favorite drops on this show,
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3: That went well for him too, and you could tell
Speaker 3: right out of the gate that was gonna go smoothly.
Speaker 2: I look at this week with Dan Gohn and me
Speaker 2: just you know, trying to fill his chair as a
Speaker 2: similar duty. I'm gonna be the Carson Wentz in Washington
Speaker 2: of this program. This week we'll get to Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2: He's back in the legue back in the news in
Speaker 2: a little bit, but we'll start. You know, we're just
Speaker 2: catching up. It's a quiet time of year. There was
Speaker 2: some news though, at the end of last week, after
Speaker 2: you taped your last show, Mark, we got the Son
Speaker 2: Reddick situation handled. And it followed a trend of a
Speaker 2: lot of trades this offseason where you're like, huh, that's
Speaker 2: all they could get for that player, And in this case,
Speaker 2: it was a Son Reddick who turned out to be
Speaker 2: one of the best free agent signings I believe the
Speaker 2: last ten years or so over what the Eagles got
Speaker 2: out of him going to Dan's Jets for a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six conditional third round pick. So, if you remember
Speaker 2: Bryce Huff signed with the Eagles in free agency, Reddick,
Speaker 2: a similar type of player, just older, ends up getting
Speaker 2: dealt to the Jets for a minimal cost. What do
Speaker 2: you think, Mark, I love it.
Speaker 3: I have thought that the last three or four seasons
Speaker 3: of Hasan Reddick have shown who he is. And so
Speaker 3: if there was some question of Bryce Huff in a larger,
Speaker 3: full time, expanded role, and like if what you pay
Speaker 3: him for that without knowing he's going to fulfill that role,
Speaker 3: then you know, you know, in Hassan Redick, at least
Speaker 3: for a couple of seasons, you're gonna get it. I mean,
Speaker 3: there are two players in the league with eleven plus
Speaker 3: sacks over the past four seasons. It is Hassan Reddick
Speaker 3: and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: It's a very rare time in the NFL where a
Speaker 2: guy extremely productive is just shown the door essentially because
Speaker 2: they're like we just think you're you're not good enough,
Speaker 2: or where we want to cut it off right now
Speaker 2: before it starts getting bad. They were, i think disappointed
Speaker 2: by how some of their edges played last year. We
Speaker 2: heard Josh Sweat was available even though they had a
Speaker 2: pretty good pass rush, and I think Reddick had a
Speaker 2: good season. Maybe it's something to do with run defense,
Speaker 2: but that it's the same profile as Bryce Huff. It
Speaker 2: just might be a deal where they didn't want to
Speaker 2: give him a new contract, and maybe it's a personal
Speaker 2: thing and has Son Reddick got to the Jets and
Speaker 2: said that a new contract. You know, we've heard that
Speaker 2: a new contract is possible, but he says he's going
Speaker 2: to be happy no matter what. And it might be
Speaker 2: one of those deals where it's like the Eagles weren't
Speaker 2: going to give him a contract. The Jets might not either,
Speaker 2: but they just didn't want an unhappy player there and
Speaker 2: they essentially decided to move on. And they decided that
Speaker 2: before this all started, and they didn't really get much
Speaker 2: of a return, but it was too late. I think
Speaker 2: that's where the conditional thirds.
Speaker 3: It's just like the Eagles had it on there in
Speaker 3: their plans to move on and they made their big
Speaker 3: free agent signing it edge. I love it for the Jets,
Speaker 3: I do. I think because they're all in for this season.
Speaker 3: Like what happened last year was like the dar total darkness,
Speaker 3: but like this is a player I think unless there's
Speaker 3: a fall off a cliff scenario, you know what you're
Speaker 3: getting right away. And I trust that defensive side of
Speaker 3: the ball at least to produce Son Reddick.
Speaker 2: Uh, if you remember, was a drafted as a linebacker
Speaker 2: with the Cardinals, kind of just bounced around a little,
Speaker 2: then had a nice uh seasons with the Panthers and UH,
Speaker 2: it really hit it rich with the Eagles in terms
Speaker 2: of that contract, which to me is low cost and
Speaker 2: the Jets are pretty loaded. I saw it thrown out
Speaker 2: there last week. It's like, are the Jets like under
Speaker 2: the radar as like a you know, possible contender. It's
Speaker 2: like the Jets are not under the raidar. The Jets
Speaker 2: are not under the radar with anyone. And but it's
Speaker 2: a fair point that just like it's a pretty good
Speaker 2: roster on paper.
Speaker 3: Well and it was last year too, and it's like
Speaker 3: you're just gonna lose your quarterback and have nothing behind it.
Speaker 3: But I still think there's questions about what Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: will be this season. But I don't know why we
Speaker 3: would change our expectations from where we were with the
Speaker 3: Jets of year ago saying they could contend for the division.
Speaker 2: Sure, and Will McDonald was their first round pick last year.
Speaker 2: He's still gonna have to big probably have a big role,
Speaker 2: but now he can slide into that third sort of
Speaker 2: rusher role. They're pretty deep there. They have John Franklin, Meyers,
Speaker 2: the Jermaine Johnson's probably gonna start. I mean it on paper,
Speaker 2: that was the biggest sight of a news Unfortunately, it's
Speaker 2: the time of year where the police blodder and just
Speaker 2: updates on what's going on off the field is you know,
Speaker 2: one of the biggest parts of the calendar. You I
Speaker 2: know hit the Cam Sutton news that he was arrested
Speaker 2: and everything, but he turned himself into police over the week,
Speaker 2: and he does not have not on a team, and
Speaker 2: I don't expect him to be on a team. The
Speaker 2: former Lions cornerback and then the Vikings suspended their offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator three weeks for a driving wall intoxicated arrest. I
Speaker 2: just want to throw that out there. Back to the field,
Speaker 2: we mentioned Carson Wentz. It's not massive news. The rest
Speaker 2: of the stories we'll cycle through quickly, but Carson Wentz
Speaker 2: is your Kansas City Chiefs backup quarterback now replacing Blaine Gabbert.
Speaker 3: Ah right, I mean, if anything, he's got a ton
Speaker 3: of starting experience and they had like Ian Book and
Speaker 3: no one else at quarterback, and there it's a post
Speaker 3: Blake Border, post dot Blaine Gabbert world that they're in.
Speaker 2: And so I don't hate that. Why is it a play?
Speaker 2: I guess Blaine had his had his run. It's kind
Speaker 2: of funny when it's like Carson Wentz is a rich
Speaker 2: man's Blaine Gabbard. I guess in terms of the career
Speaker 2: that he's had. But I do like Sean McVay kind
Speaker 2: of save Carson Wentz' his career, it looked like it
Speaker 2: was maybe just ending, and then he got back into
Speaker 2: the NFL with the Rams, and now he's got a
Speaker 2: chance to go win a title. And it would be
Speaker 2: kind of fascinating to see Carson Wentz play like one game,
Speaker 2: but that would mean Patrick Mahomes is hurt, or they've
Speaker 2: too much yeah, or they've clinched early, neither of which
Speaker 2: is really that compelling. So I take it back, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be that interesting to see Carson Wentz play. A
Speaker 2: couple items here. The Jaguars gave Foyo Lucan a new
Speaker 2: long term contract. That was a nice free agent signing
Speaker 2: by them a couple of years ago. So Trent Buck's
Speaker 2: got some wins for him and they doubled down by
Speaker 2: keeping him. We had a restricted free agent off first
Speaker 2: sheet finally, first first time in a while, the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers have signed brock Wright to a three year,
Speaker 2: twelve million dollar deal. And my son in Hawaii, Walker,
Speaker 2: he's a little bit of a news addict these days.
Speaker 2: He wanted to be like, where did that come from?
Speaker 2: Check on roade a World just to see what's popping,
Speaker 2: you know, in the news. I was like, not much
Speaker 2: is gonna be happening, man, And it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the the Rams re signed some guy you'd never heard of,
Speaker 2: Tyler Johnson, and then we had this brock Right thing.
Speaker 2: But I had to explain to him what a restricted
Speaker 2: free agent is. He didn't know, Like, well, you can
Speaker 2: sign him to an offer sheet and then their team
Speaker 2: has to have five days whether they want to match
Speaker 2: it or not. So brock Wright, who I think is
Speaker 2: most famous for having a big time play against the
Speaker 2: Jets a couple of years ago, long touchdown, but more
Speaker 2: of a blocking tight end, you know, might be going
Speaker 2: to the forty nine ers unless the lines want to
Speaker 2: match that. You just don't. I feel like you see
Speaker 2: maybe one of these an off season. It's not fine.
Speaker 2: But he's like, well, why can't they just be normal
Speaker 2: free agents? I was like, well, you know, they get
Speaker 2: to normal free agency in the fourth year, but restricted
Speaker 2: is the third year, and then there's the whole collective
Speaker 2: bargaining agreement that they negotiate. And it's like, is he
Speaker 2: gonna wait fast?
Speaker 3: Is he gonna have to wait fifteen years to be
Speaker 3: on a podcast because he sounds ready to just fill
Speaker 3: in us.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if we can keep this thing
Speaker 2: going until then, maybe he'll he'll replace us a podcast.
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick is writing a book. Our friend Andrew Marshaan
Speaker 2: has some sources that says Belichick is penning. We don't
Speaker 2: know if I assume it's about it. What do you
Speaker 2: think it's a novel?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'd love to see like Belichick craft
Speaker 3: like a mystery novel or something. But I'm sure it's
Speaker 3: you know, it's obviously football related. But is it a
Speaker 3: you know, an autobiography or is it like on the
Speaker 3: topic of something a football related that he's obsessed with.
Speaker 2: Good question. I kind of would guess it's closer to
Speaker 2: the latter, or like lessons he's learned and jumping around
Speaker 2: through difference. That's what I would hope for because I
Speaker 2: don't I don't think he's gonna write a biography or
Speaker 2: like talk about how the Patriot you know, just go
Speaker 2: like soup to nuts, how the Patriots were built. It
Speaker 2: just doesn't seem like what he's gonna do. But maybe
Speaker 2: he can sprinkle in like little, you know, different stories
Speaker 2: from throughout his.
Speaker 3: Career football season all the things that go with it.
Speaker 2: Or maybe he's amazing. I mean, his dad literally wrote
Speaker 2: the book on football scouting. It was called Football Scouting Methods.
Speaker 3: I have that that's that is not I wouldn't call
Speaker 3: it a page turner, but it's a no.
Speaker 2: It's like how to scout. It's how to you know,
Speaker 2: write down okay, before every play, you know, the safeties here,
Speaker 2: and write down the formation and different things.
Speaker 3: Do we get the Belichick audiobook though, like think that Mmmm,
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the best way to go
Speaker 3: with the.
Speaker 2: I I he really respects the written word, He respects legacy,
Speaker 2: he respects history. I actually I was thinking maybe this
Speaker 2: later this year we could do a little a quick
Speaker 2: like football book club segment or something mini segment, because
Speaker 2: I started to reread and it'll be a quick read.
Speaker 2: It's this book called Patriot Reign by Michael Holly and
Speaker 2: and I think it's kind of it slept on as
Speaker 2: one of the great football We talked a lot about
Speaker 2: Collision Low Crossers season in the life and this is
Speaker 2: very much in that vein. And people think of Belichick
Speaker 2: is so closed off, not allowing anything. He led a
Speaker 2: guy from the Boston Globe who took a year off.
Speaker 2: I think it ended up being two years off to
Speaker 2: just hang out with the team for two years, be
Speaker 2: in every meeting, in the coaches meetings, in everything, and
Speaker 2: he got a ton of stuff. And it's and it's
Speaker 2: the twenty two it's two thousand and two season, which
Speaker 2: doesn't go too well, and then a little PostScript on
Speaker 2: the next year where they where they win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and it's got great stuff in it. And it's I
Speaker 2: feel like no one really And it's because I think
Speaker 2: Belichick wanted, like he wanted to like have proof of
Speaker 2: what everything happened. He wanted to have a say in it.
Speaker 2: It's not that he doesn't care all.
Speaker 3: These like there are so many reverse expectation reports on
Speaker 3: Belichick where it's like, oh, actually, behind the scenes, like
Speaker 3: he was delightful to me and treated me well and
Speaker 3: like corresponding to this and that, and it's like, I
Speaker 3: I I can't wait to see what he writes. I
Speaker 3: will buy it immediately, I hope.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough to a book in one offseason.
Speaker 2: Can he do it before the next season starts. I
Speaker 2: guess if he's really trying art, I mean, he's a
Speaker 2: hard worker one. If it's me, like Bill Belichick and
Speaker 2: so and so. Yeah, you know what I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: because they had an unauthorized biography he hadn't read it,
Speaker 2: haven't read it yet by Ian O'Connor. That's kind of
Speaker 2: now become his definitive one, which is, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure he doesn't like that he didn't participate in it,
Speaker 2: and it's his definitive one. Finally, in the news, some
Speaker 2: sad news. Vonte Davis, who had a strong career for
Speaker 2: the Dolphins, who's drafted by first round Colts, got a
Speaker 2: big free agent contract and then the Bills has died
Speaker 2: at his home in Florida. He I believe was only
Speaker 2: thirty five years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they, I mean, you know, we're waiting to
Speaker 3: find out more what happened there, if you have access
Speaker 3: to the athletic anyone out there. Our friend Zach Kiefer,
Speaker 3: who wrote an incredible piece on Chris Westling, you know,
Speaker 3: he could have been closer to what was happening with
Speaker 3: the Colts and had many interesting experiences with Vante Davison
Speaker 3: wrote an incredible piece on like the Person, and he
Speaker 3: obviously wrote it quickly and probably, you know, without knowing
Speaker 3: a lot about what had happened here. But man, I
Speaker 3: don't know, like this is it makes me think of
Speaker 3: something just personally, like I didn't even come to the NFL,
Speaker 3: so I was thirty six, and so when someone leaves
Speaker 3: the earth to thirty five, like there was so much more,
Speaker 3: so many more years ahead for him, and it's like
Speaker 3: it's a tragedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very sad. And he I think might be most
Speaker 2: known for how his career ended, how he retired in
Speaker 2: the middle of a game, and he even talked about
Speaker 2: that that look like he never would call himself a
Speaker 2: quitter because he he has He overcame a home with,
Speaker 2: you know, an alcoholic father and a mother had drug problems,
Speaker 2: and both him and his brother Vernon Davis turned into
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl NFL players, And he said, I'm no quitter
Speaker 2: for me to get to where I am, it just
Speaker 2: I just had a strong feeling that I was done.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you mentioned Chris, I got a tweet today
Speaker 2: that you know someone had listened. Was listened to an
Speaker 2: old Week nine preview of a season long ago and
Speaker 2: Chris talking about how great Vonte Davis was playing. He
Speaker 2: was a first team All Pro for one season where
Speaker 2: he just was a physical exciting player. So rest in
Speaker 2: piece to Vonte Davis. We are going to do our
Speaker 2: mock draft with Josh Norris right after the break. Our
Speaker 2: next guest is the football content lead at Underdog Fantasy,
Speaker 2: long time consigtly Air of Evan Silva at road a
Speaker 2: world as the NFL Draft expert. He's now married, he's
Speaker 2: born on July seventeenth, and I'm gonna just say it.
Speaker 2: He's a YouTube star, Josh Norris, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Guys, you know what I realized. I don't think and
Speaker 4: I've been in the show about three or four times.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever been on this program
Speaker 4: when Dan has also been on the program. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if this is like a Jennifer Aniston Reese
Speaker 4: Weatherspoon situation where he uses to do scenes with me.
Speaker 4: But that's what's brewing in my head right now.
Speaker 3: Mark, that is a that is a fair fairly bubbling controversy.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, but I could see us in
Speaker 3: Dan's absence around this time of year when we can
Speaker 3: kind of rotate our time off, that you'd be a
Speaker 3: very natural in this, you know, in April into May,
Speaker 3: a very natural person to come in and talk draft.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a sorry he's threatened by you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's one of or he just doesn't like you. It
Speaker 2: could be any one of these things.
Speaker 1: That could be it.
Speaker 4: Like I am assuming at some point someone can stand
Speaker 4: on the table, pound the table and be like, no,
Speaker 4: we are not having this guest on the show while
Speaker 4: I'm on it now and maybe other times my name
Speaker 4: has popped up for I guess spot, but now it's
Speaker 4: impossible for.
Speaker 2: You know, this is this is completely unfair, frankly to
Speaker 2: to Dan because we were we tried to book you,
Speaker 2: we were trying to get you a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago and then didn't true. I don't even remember how
Speaker 2: that happens.
Speaker 3: I did promise stand and I would know controversies about
Speaker 3: him involving him would rise while he was on vacation. Okay,
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to hear about it from anyone else,
Speaker 3: so keep it under wraps.
Speaker 2: And yeah I mentioned the YouTube. You can check Josh
Speaker 2: Norris out doing a lot of great content. Uh at
Speaker 2: the Underdog. Also, I'll see his channel and NFL Draft channel.
Speaker 2: Hayden Winks is on there and like they they have
Speaker 2: quick videos right during free agency and I'm I mean it.
Speaker 2: They are killing the game in the YouTube staces. We
Speaker 2: could learn a thing or two from you.
Speaker 3: And this is the one, like Josh Norris, Like you'll
Speaker 3: be out watching like Monday night football somewhere and like
Speaker 3: you're the guy whose commercials pop up and I'm always
Speaker 3: I'm with friends only trying to I know that guy.
Speaker 3: He's on a commercial during Monday in Football's special to me.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that bank account did not
Speaker 4: change with those commercials. But you know, we'll live and learn.
Speaker 2: Mhm. So next time, yeah, hold out for more and
Speaker 2: then they'll just use Hayden. Uh. This is gonna be
Speaker 2: a mock draft. It's gonna be fun. We're doing the
Speaker 2: top ten picks. We're also gonna throw in uh a
Speaker 2: pick each. We just would like to see from the
Speaker 2: from the first round. Uh. And we're gonna start with you, Josh,
Speaker 2: And Uh that was strategic by me. Now one hand,
Speaker 2: the first pick feels predictable, but we'll see U. On
Speaker 2: the other with ten picks, that means you have to
Speaker 2: do one more and so love it. That was sort
Speaker 2: of the strategy on my end. Josh knows more than
Speaker 2: Mark and I about the NFL draft. I love not
Speaker 2: really going I'm yeah, I'm not speaking out of school here,
Speaker 2: but we will start with you and our friend Eric
Speaker 2: will be playing the role of Roger Goodell here.
Speaker 5: With the first pick of the twenty twenty four around
Speaker 5: the NFL mock Draft, the Chicago Bears select USC quarterback
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: This is an easy one.
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams is really a slam dunk prospect, and I
Speaker 4: know that obviously there were some down plays in comparison
Speaker 4: to his previous season, but really you kind of see
Speaker 4: the Aaron Rodgers vacation or even some Patrick mahomes ness
Speaker 4: in his game in terms of off platform throws, releases,
Speaker 4: and kind of like those guys Greg, you kind of
Speaker 4: get a sense that his in play in rhythm stuff
Speaker 4: is a bit undervalued at this point. On top of it,
Speaker 4: so he played in a pitiful team with a pitiful defense,
Speaker 4: was forced to put the pedal to the floor at
Speaker 4: all times and try to carry them. But in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Cannot wait to watch what Killer Williams does with this
Speaker 4: really good situation that the Chicago Bears have set him.
Speaker 2: Up for those players are there though, like in a
Speaker 2: way that they probably weren't there as much for Mahomes
Speaker 2: coming out. And why I think Mahomes fell a little
Speaker 2: further is like you just he wasn't even put in
Speaker 2: the position to have as many what the NFL would
Speaker 2: consider traditional drop back plays where he sets his feet,
Speaker 2: goes through his receivers and hits him in rhythm, gets
Speaker 2: to a second third like Mahomes is, he didn't really
Speaker 2: have that chance. And you know, Cliff Kingsbury is the
Speaker 2: guy that connects these two. And maybe Caleb Williams' sophomore
Speaker 2: tape with Cliff was somehow worse than his freshman tape
Speaker 2: without Cliff. That's like another topic. But those players are
Speaker 2: all there, so you see it all and I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to seeing what he's going to be like at
Speaker 2: the NFL level. But the one thing he's not, I
Speaker 2: guess Mark, which is interesting because you think of him
Speaker 2: up there with the Andrew Locks and Trevor Lawrences as
Speaker 2: one of the best prospects we've seen in the last
Speaker 2: you know, Joe Burrow last ten twelve years. To me,
Speaker 2: he's not doing it by just like he's Josh Allen
Speaker 2: with a monster arm. He's more of like a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. He has enough arm and he can do
Speaker 2: everything else just at an extremely high level. With the
Speaker 2: wow plays too.
Speaker 3: And it's hard for me not to factor like the
Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury angle into that too. I have lost a
Speaker 3: fair amount of faith in Cliff Kingsbury and will get
Speaker 3: to him in a minute, but we will. I mean
Speaker 3: there are like I think the destiny of these quarterbacks
Speaker 3: has a lot to do with the fact that the
Speaker 3: best quarterback is typically going to a team that's a
Speaker 3: trash bag and they have a nice assortment of players around.
Speaker 3: I think the Keenan Allen trade to go with Teacher,
Speaker 3: it's like he's in a good position to I have
Speaker 3: a faster start than if he had gone to some
Speaker 3: lost organization in the forest.
Speaker 2: But before we move on, because I do think we
Speaker 2: have a tendency to kind of like overlooked the one
Speaker 2: pick after a while because it's like right for you know,
Speaker 2: especially on this show, we haven't actually talked about Kayleb
Speaker 2: Williams that much. Two things. Number one, like what watching
Speaker 2: you know, watching the tape sort of impressed their surprising
Speaker 2: those And then number two, I'm curious like what you
Speaker 2: think his rushing value will be as a pro. You're
Speaker 2: you know, you're a fantasy guy, so that that's certainly
Speaker 2: a big but it's also a big reality part of
Speaker 2: his game.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, any of the top ten, top twelve
Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the league, now you have to have some
Speaker 4: love of athleticism once things break down or don't go
Speaker 4: the way that you want to, you know on the
Speaker 4: play sheet, and he has that, especially if you go
Speaker 4: back to his stuff at Oklahoma, he is like stronger
Speaker 4: than you think when running the ball and people bounce
Speaker 4: off him and there are some insane runs on top
Speaker 4: of that. In that small sample what I was reminded
Speaker 4: of because you can check out the box scores, you
Speaker 4: can check out all that stuff, but like the game
Speaker 4: gets Washington this season for example, you know, a team
Speaker 4: that was buying for the national championship. The Huskies scored
Speaker 4: a touchdown on eight of ten of their drives in
Speaker 4: that game. Like it was similar situation like that every
Speaker 4: single time he touched the field where he basically had
Speaker 4: to score a touchdown or bust. And so yeah, there
Speaker 4: were one hundred percent instances where he puts more pressure
Speaker 4: on his offensive line than was necessary, but I feel
Speaker 4: like you have to do that in order to also
Speaker 4: get the wow plays that also come along with that.
Speaker 4: And he also is trying to buy time, I thought,
Speaker 4: in order to allow for those extended plays, to allow
Speaker 4: his wide receivers to get free because maybe the play
Speaker 4: call was bad, and again those out of structure moments
Speaker 4: they could kind of separate from their corners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was just the balance that he played with of, Hey,
Speaker 4: I can quickly throw the football because I know exactly
Speaker 4: what the coverage is pre snap, and then I see
Speaker 4: it again post snap. But then also the elongated magician stuff,
Speaker 4: which again separates you know, you being from a top
Speaker 4: ten quarterback to a top five overall quarter back.
Speaker 2: In the leak. Yeah, and you mentioned that Oklahoma year.
Speaker 2: He does have a nice balance of he's not an
Speaker 2: old prospect, but he does have plenty of experience. He
Speaker 2: threw a couple hundred passes for Oklahoma, and you're right,
Speaker 2: you ran for four hundred and forty two yards that year,
Speaker 2: and then last year. You know, by the time he
Speaker 2: got to what essentially was his senior year for USC,
Speaker 2: he all but refused to run except for touchdowns. And
Speaker 2: you know, he did score twenty seven touchdowns as as
Speaker 2: a college player in twenty one over the last two
Speaker 2: years for USC, so it was interesting. But I think
Speaker 2: that was because he knew where he was in the draft.
Speaker 2: He didn't need to run, but he certainly should be
Speaker 2: able to mark. You have the second overall pick. We
Speaker 2: haven't heard a lot of buzz about any trades, and
Speaker 2: we are allowing trades, trade proposals to happen in this draft.
Speaker 2: We'll just see what happens. But unless anyone has a
Speaker 2: trade for the number two pick, you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to, you know, shake things up, but
Speaker 3: there was an element of logic to this, and we're
Speaker 3: gonna see what happens with the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 5: With the second pick of the twenty twenty four around
Speaker 5: the NFL mock Draft, the Washington Commanders select.
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels quarterback LSU. Now like digging into this even
Speaker 3: you know where we were like a couple like three
Speaker 3: four weeks ago, it was like, oh, Drake's Drake May
Speaker 3: And it's like, I just feel that the tide is
Speaker 3: turning a little bit more. We're hearing more and more
Speaker 3: about the fact that this could be Jaden Daniels, I am.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Drake May reviews have been sort
Speaker 3: of all over the map, and I think it's interesting
Speaker 3: that compared to pass Commander's operations, you're not hearing much
Speaker 3: of anything at all about what they're gonna do. So
Speaker 3: I think this is a true, interesting, mysterious number two pick.
Speaker 3: I go with Daniels. I think he's kind of he
Speaker 3: does it a little bit of everything, Like his dangerous
Speaker 3: nature on the ground is fascinating to me. He has
Speaker 3: five seasons of starting experience. I think that matters with
Speaker 3: these quarterback college quarterbacks a lot to me, football intelligence,
Speaker 3: pre snap intelligence. I guess for me it's the He's
Speaker 3: got a rare, you know, blend of arm talent, running ability.
Speaker 3: He's got Cliff Kingsbury as his offensive cornat we just
Speaker 3: mentioned that. I think that's a that isn't a bit
Speaker 3: of a wild card. But Josh, how do you feel
Speaker 3: about me going Daniels over Drake mayhere.
Speaker 1: Well sidebar here.
Speaker 4: Greg as the man with the most accurate mock draft
Speaker 4: of all time, we know that obviously mock drafting is
Speaker 4: it's you, not me.
Speaker 2: That's you and me. To be clear, that was you
Speaker 2: two years ago living. This is all about the consumes
Speaker 2: of that mock draft ever since, we didn't hear much
Speaker 2: about your last year as macdraft But yes, we sorry,
Speaker 2: what was your question?
Speaker 4: Mock drafting is all about dot connecting, so Greg, I
Speaker 4: have seen people try to connect the dots of Oh,
Speaker 4: they signed Marcus Mariota as the backup quarterback, they trade
Speaker 4: away Sam Howell. Does that mean that they are citing
Speaker 4: more with the Jaden Daniels type than the Drake may type.
Speaker 4: I'm not buying into that as much.
Speaker 1: What say you?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know how Marcus Mariota could have a
Speaker 2: lot to do with it, right And when was the
Speaker 2: last time? Yeah? I know Mariota can run a little bit,
Speaker 2: but he's not Jayden Daniels. I mean he's nothing, I
Speaker 2: mean compared, He's nothing close to Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1: I am not saying that Sam Howell, for what.
Speaker 2: It's worth, is like as good a runner, if not
Speaker 2: better than Marcus Mariota. It makes not that makes no
Speaker 2: sense to me. I just can't imagine anything to do
Speaker 2: like this. This choice is their franchise, It changes their franchise.
Speaker 2: It's the biggest choice. Their franchise is going to make
Speaker 2: for the next you know, seven eight years in their minds,
Speaker 2: hopefully more the fact that it would like that Marcus
Speaker 2: Mariota's signing would somehow indicate what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I just came back one little doc, go ahead, Mark Well,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like Brian Kelly and maybe this
Speaker 3: is nothing, but he, you know, was glowing about Jayden
Speaker 3: Daniels in an interview and basically said Washington is going
Speaker 3: to be very happy with what they get. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you're maybe you're just saying this is the second best
Speaker 3: quarterback in the draft, if not the first in your eyes,
Speaker 3: and he's going number two. But that kind of one
Speaker 3: it makes you wonder if Brian Kelly just knows something.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Well, I actually think the Marcus Mariota connection is more
Speaker 4: about Brian Johnson, who they brought in, is like I
Speaker 4: think their past game coordinator and obviously they have time together.
Speaker 2: And that's literally that's that's it. That's only it's like
Speaker 2: that who's available and I just worked with this guy
Speaker 2: who's available as a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: With Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4: He is a fascinating player and obviously it's interesting it's
Speaker 4: very Philadelphia Eagles to me, honestly. You have two alpha
Speaker 4: wide receivers on the outside that both might be top
Speaker 4: twenty picks.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: This season, you had a fantastic offensive line. You rarely
Speaker 4: attack the middle of the field because when you have
Speaker 4: rushing success, obviously that and especially with the hash marks,
Speaker 4: can turn you know, these one on ones on the
Speaker 4: outside into enviable matchups. And so you just have deep
Speaker 4: shot after deep shot over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: And it was no under center work, which is not
Speaker 4: a surprise. But I just wonder if, like if you
Speaker 4: compare levels, and I actually don't think the Commanders in
Speaker 4: terms of pass catchers as a bad situation to walk into.
Speaker 4: You have, you know, Johan Dotson, obviously Terry McLaurin on
Speaker 4: top of that. But man, it was just an ideal
Speaker 4: situation for jayde Daniels to work in. But at the
Speaker 4: same time he totally maximized it. That is like underselling it.
Speaker 4: It was obviously a Heisman Trophy season, but they are
Speaker 4: just some weird wonky numbers underlying in terms of his profile,
Speaker 4: Like everybody, Nate Tyce pointed this out. Only at his
Speaker 4: dropbacks resulted in a pass attempt That was one hundred
Speaker 4: and ninety third out of one hundred and ninety six,
Speaker 4: you know, and he just rarely attacked the midle of
Speaker 4: the field. But I really like him as a prospect.
Speaker 4: I just prefer Drake May as a.
Speaker 2: Player, right, he like I think it. You know, this
Speaker 2: is the first of his three senior seasons. He set
Speaker 2: his career high with three hundred and eighty eight pass attempts.
Speaker 2: So other than that, he was like three hundred and
Speaker 2: three twenty seven. And that's you know, playing every game.
Speaker 2: And the age thing doesn't matter to me. A not that,
Speaker 2: not that it's going to prevent you from being a
Speaker 2: great quarterback right off the bat. He clearly needed that
Speaker 2: time in college to develop, and I think it's going
Speaker 2: to work out for him and make him a better
Speaker 2: player at the pro level. But that if you're comparing
Speaker 2: him to a guy like Drake May who's so much younger,
Speaker 2: how can that not make a big difference. Now, Now
Speaker 2: that said, he might enter the league, as you know,
Speaker 2: he might be the newest best running quarterback ever. Also
Speaker 2: like right, I mean, he's like, if he starts seventeen games,
Speaker 2: isn't he going to have a chance to break the
Speaker 2: all time rushing record. I mean, as long as he
Speaker 2: stays healthy. I know he's he's got a a frame
Speaker 2: that you worry about a little bit, but.
Speaker 1: He takes like car crashes every time.
Speaker 2: Right, But his running is just outrageously crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really.
Speaker 2: That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 4: Let's table what age conversation when we get to Drake
Speaker 4: may because I actually think it's like more of an
Speaker 4: optimistic lens of him than it might be like a
Speaker 4: downside of.
Speaker 2: The Okay, that's absolutely fair and yet to put some
Speaker 2: context on it. Yeah, jayde and Daniels ran for almost
Speaker 2: three thousand yards over the last three seasons, including eleven
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four yards in twelve games. And I
Speaker 2: know it's just counting staff and stuff, but you watch it.
Speaker 3: We just like the only player INPs history with twelve
Speaker 3: thousand passing yards in three thousand.
Speaker 2: It's just outrageous. But I always am a little anxious
Speaker 2: about the guys who you know, you mentioned Nate Tights.
Speaker 2: He has more as like a late first round type
Speaker 2: of grade. And that's you know as early as yeah,
Speaker 2: as late as like mid August, early November. The draft knicks,
Speaker 2: maybe they were just off all along. But they they
Speaker 2: did not necessarily see him as QB three or even
Speaker 2: in the first round conversation at all. And we've seen
Speaker 2: guys like that shoot up fast Mariotos. Was he kind
Speaker 2: of one like that? Maybe not. RG three absolutely was
Speaker 2: where no one had any idea RG three was going
Speaker 2: to be the top two pick until the end of
Speaker 2: the season, and then he was all right, let's move
Speaker 2: to the third pick. And for the first time, we
Speaker 2: do have a trade proposal on the board. WHOA, So
Speaker 2: the Patriots are on the clock, Drake May is available,
Speaker 2: and I as take I'm the also taking the sixth
Speaker 2: pick in the nine pick, so I hold the Giants pick.
Speaker 2: So I am actually proposing a trade from the Giants
Speaker 2: to myself as as the Patriots. Yeah, why hold up? Why? Why? Well?
Speaker 4: One, the Minnesota Vikings have far more Draft Capitol Hill here,
Speaker 4: and my old co host Josh McCown was the high
Speaker 4: school quarterbacks coach of Drake May. Their entire offseason has
Speaker 4: been built towards trading for a quarterback in the NFL Draft,
Speaker 4: already making a move to have two first round selections.
Speaker 4: So you're gonna go here to the Giants.
Speaker 2: That have just six.
Speaker 4: If you on a second rounder and a third rounder.
Speaker 2: Well, once you see the offer, you know they they
Speaker 2: are trying their best to make it as enticing as possible.
Speaker 2: But if you want to throw into Vikings trade proposal,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules are here. You know
Speaker 2: they're outside the top.
Speaker 4: Okay, here pick eleven, pick twenty three and a twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five first rounder.
Speaker 1: There is no way the Giants.
Speaker 2: Hello, that is first, okay, and that is a great position.
Speaker 2: You know. I think this is the Patriots dream because
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just would guess that they'd
Speaker 2: rather draft Drake Made than Jaden Daniels and then to
Speaker 2: be in this score, right, what do you say?
Speaker 1: Like, what what's your read here?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: Because either they take one of the top three quarterbacks
Speaker 4: or they try to build and go with chakuber set
Speaker 4: for a year?
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, you know. I think this is the
Speaker 2: best scenario because I think this is where they would
Speaker 2: get the most trade offers. I don't I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: believe all the smoke on May Daniels. I think more
Speaker 2: teams would still be interested in May and certainly the
Speaker 2: falloff is large. The Giants are going to offer. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you know the number six pick. You only have to
Speaker 2: move back three spots. You're still extremely high. You're going
Speaker 2: to get one of those wide receivers if you're the
Speaker 2: Patriots at that six spot. If you want him, you
Speaker 2: got your second round pick this year that they picked
Speaker 2: up for Lenny Williams. You got your first round pick
Speaker 2: next year. And then they're also going to throw into
Speaker 2: the trade in agreement that they will release a statement
Speaker 2: as a team that acknowledges luck was a significant contributing
Speaker 2: factor into the helmet catch and winning that Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: just admitting that, hey, sports, luck matters. Luck was a
Speaker 2: significant contributing factor. They also, as part of that statement,
Speaker 2: will say that while they believe Eli Manning is a
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, they recognize that Philip Rivers has had
Speaker 2: more seasons where he was universally recognized as a top
Speaker 2: five type of quarterback, maybe six to seven of those
Speaker 2: seasons versus one or two for Eli. And so they
Speaker 2: recognize that Philip Rivers should go in first. But they
Speaker 2: still do support Eli. So that is part of the
Speaker 2: trade out. A lot of greg based desire. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about, but I do think.
Speaker 3: That all those admissions might be more valuable than that third.
Speaker 2: First round pick from the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Josh, where is Dan when you need him? Guys? Where
Speaker 1: is Dan where you need him?
Speaker 2: This is why? Uh, it's it's fun. Sometimes you got
Speaker 2: to throw in what you like. And you know what,
Speaker 2: they got all those offers and let's let's go to
Speaker 2: Eric here.
Speaker 5: With the third pick of the twenty twenty four around
Speaker 5: the NFL mock Draft.
Speaker 2: I think it's the Giants now, is that what we're
Speaker 2: just said? No, the New England Patriots are saying no
Speaker 2: to everything, but they're going to humiliate the Giants by
Speaker 2: leaking that they offered this in the first place, so
Speaker 2: they get the win there. They've been recording the conversations. Actually,
Speaker 2: they're bringing it back to Spygate. They're saying no to
Speaker 2: the Vikings. They don't care, they need to. They want
Speaker 2: Drake May. They were hoping Drake May would fall and
Speaker 2: they're just taking Drake May. That's who. That is a
Speaker 2: lot of a dramatic build up to that decision. Well done.
Speaker 2: I mean you got to you got to get the offers,
Speaker 2: you got to see what's happening. But as a Patriots fan,
Speaker 2: and I think if you're a Patriots team, this is
Speaker 2: the most perfect thing that could happen to them. They
Speaker 2: were in what a lot of people thought was a
Speaker 2: two elite quarterback draft. They fell to three with that
Speaker 2: late weird win against the Broncos. But May falls to them,
Speaker 2: and he, to me, is everything they could want in
Speaker 2: a quarterback. And all those picks are great, but it
Speaker 2: they could go ten years without having a chance to
Speaker 2: find a quarterback like this.
Speaker 3: Did you think that you were gonna have to make
Speaker 3: this decision around Jade and Daniels?
Speaker 2: If yes, And if the offers had come in for
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels, I think the Patriots would have been
Speaker 2: much more open to making that trade. And I as
Speaker 2: a fan, am torn because I've always wanted like a
Speaker 2: fun running quarterback as a Patriots fan. And so if
Speaker 2: they take me, if they right, Drake Me is that
Speaker 2: guy too. But I'm saying Daniels also is that guy,
Speaker 2: and so he's a guy that if they end up
Speaker 2: taking him at three, I'm not gonna disappointed. I'll be excited,
Speaker 2: but I would understand to trade down more if it's
Speaker 2: May on the board. I think, don't get too cute.
Speaker 2: Just take me. That's my own personal opinion of what
Speaker 2: they should do.
Speaker 4: It's only April second. I would not be shocked if,
Speaker 4: like JJ McCarthy's name gets mentioned in this they are
Speaker 4: three instead of TI.
Speaker 2: I think so now it doesn't not feel like a
Speaker 2: Patriots bucky. Our colleague here had him, I believe, in
Speaker 2: the top three and had May falling like out of
Speaker 2: the top ten recently or something crazy.
Speaker 4: Drake May is a fascinating player because his first season
Speaker 4: as a starter, his second one at UNC because he
Speaker 4: sat behind Sam Howe's first year was incredible, and then
Speaker 4: he loses Josh Downs, he loses you know, his offensive
Speaker 4: play caller. I thought the environment was really pediphil this year,
Speaker 4: and it's really highlighted in some situational numbers. I mean,
Speaker 4: he had seventy six snaps this season just dropbacks in
Speaker 4: third and seven plus situations. By comparison, Jayden Daniels only
Speaker 4: had thirty nine of those. Kayleb Williams. JJ McCarthy had
Speaker 4: fifty eight of those, and he actually had thirty six
Speaker 4: occasions of third and eleven plus situation, So that means
Speaker 4: his team lost yards on first and second down and
Speaker 4: needed to try to carry them out in those third
Speaker 4: down And look, it is on my radar, Greg that
Speaker 4: all these former NFL quarterbacks that know way more about
Speaker 4: football than I ever will and Chris Sims, Jgo Sullivan,
Speaker 4: Kurt Warner, whoever you want to talk about, are down
Speaker 4: on Drake May like they are legit nervous about him
Speaker 4: missing layups, about mechanics and all this type of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I go back to what you mentioned earlier where
Speaker 4: we written like we didn't even see Jade Daniels have
Speaker 4: like twenty five thirty touchdowns until his fifty year of
Speaker 4: playing college football. You can say the same thing about Boonix.
Speaker 4: You can say the same thing basically about Michael Pennox. Right,
Speaker 4: Drake May's first and second years were just as productive
Speaker 4: as those two. So just imagine if he had two
Speaker 4: or three more years of college football, if he was
Speaker 4: able to iron out some of those mechanics issues or
Speaker 4: understanding coverages and seeing blitz packages, so and so forth.
Speaker 2: So like to me this on those eighteen year olds
Speaker 2: when he was twenty four, it'd be like the guy
Speaker 2: at the YMCA playing against kids.
Speaker 4: And that's what makes this year of quarterback analysis. I
Speaker 4: think so interesting is because you literally have guys who
Speaker 4: played for five years versus comparing them to played for
Speaker 4: one or two years at a position that is obviously
Speaker 4: the most important influe.
Speaker 3: You'd have Jacoby Brissette, which is about as good of
Speaker 3: a backup or fringe starter as you'd want in that situation. Like,
Speaker 3: do you see Drake May as like a weak one
Speaker 3: out there on the field or do you need to
Speaker 3: work with him a little bit and maybe slow cook
Speaker 3: him as a rookie.
Speaker 4: I think he can play immediately. Look, I think no
Speaker 4: matter what you're gonna when you're gonna play him, you're
Speaker 4: gonna have to kind of live and die by these
Speaker 4: looky plays at times. But again, he might ruin a
Speaker 4: drive here or there. But at the same time he's
Speaker 4: going to make some crazy, insane plays that few other
Speaker 4: quarterbacks can't. He loses his brain a few times, but
Speaker 4: sometimes in the best way possible and sometimes in the
Speaker 4: worst way possible.
Speaker 2: Right. I think there's a lot of similarities between him
Speaker 2: and Caleb Williams, and I think it was a good
Speaker 2: debate between the two of them for much of the season.
Speaker 2: But you see May and you just see the size
Speaker 2: and the right to me's he's not Josh Allen because
Speaker 2: as a prospect, they're very different. But seeing him in
Speaker 2: such a difficult situation that Drake may had to overcome,
Speaker 2: you can project that forward to a situation like the
Speaker 2: Commanders will be in, like the Patriots will be in,
Speaker 2: and I think he excelled at those and you do
Speaker 2: see him doing some next level and quarterback protection changes
Speaker 2: and going through his like doing all the quarterback he
Speaker 2: stuff that gets you excited, and just crazy, crazy athleticism
Speaker 2: as a thrower, as a runner, just like everything that
Speaker 2: I think you would want as a college prospect. And
Speaker 2: to me, if he was in last year's draft, there
Speaker 2: was like a good chance he'd go over Bryce Young
Speaker 2: and CJ. Stroud And yet now he's in this class
Speaker 2: and he might go third. But I kind of don't
Speaker 2: buy everything that's been coming out. I think it's just
Speaker 2: I think it's just chatter. I think it's just talk.
Speaker 2: I think the majority of teams, you know, it's different flavors,
Speaker 2: but the majority of teams would would have him a
Speaker 2: strong number two.
Speaker 4: Two quick things. I would put him after the Bryce
Speaker 4: Stroud Richardson group and then number two on Twitter. Actually,
Speaker 4: I was able to sit down with Colt McCoy and
Speaker 4: Drake May and go through one of his full games
Speaker 4: during Super Bowl Week, And that video is out there
Speaker 4: on Twitter if people want to watch it. It's him
Speaker 4: breaking down his own tape. It was against Syracuse and yeah,
Speaker 4: those protection plans, blitz packages, fading away.
Speaker 1: From pressure, looks, all of it.
Speaker 4: He was able to outline and diagnose it all and
Speaker 4: kind of talk us through it. So it was really
Speaker 4: enlightening experience. And so I'm obviously a bit biased because
Speaker 4: I certainly was not able to do that with Kayleb
Speaker 4: Williams or Jane Daniels or whoever else.
Speaker 3: I named my son after Colt McCoy, So I'm quite
Speaker 3: jealous that you have had this sit down with one
Speaker 3: of my favorite n all show of them.
Speaker 4: We get one day, Mark, maybe we can, you know,
Speaker 4: exchange numbers here and you and Colt McCoy could just
Speaker 4: have your own episode of the show, just the two
Speaker 4: of you.
Speaker 2: Oh I would, I would this show. We're not going
Speaker 2: to try to help you out, yes, like to have
Speaker 2: Colt McCoy. All right, well, we'll move on and we
Speaker 2: will pick up the speed for the next seven picks.
Speaker 2: But look, the top three is exciting, and I still
Speaker 2: just go back to what Drake Maye did as a freshman.
Speaker 2: Technically had played, you know, but as a red shirt
Speaker 2: freshman is outrageous. Uh in the acc having the season
Speaker 2: that he had, and so if you put that sort
Speaker 2: of tape out there, that is possible. Uh, And I
Speaker 2: would be very excited if he was a new Land Patriot.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take quick break. We'll come back with pick
Speaker 2: number four. All right, Josh H. Norris, we are back
Speaker 2: from the break. You have the fourth overall pick, and
Speaker 2: unless any trades are coming, I think you're ready to go.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not just that the phones are humming
Speaker 4: at Arizona Cardinals headquarters. Monte asen Fort is also on
Speaker 4: the phone. The man loves to make a trade, as
Speaker 4: we saw last year where he traded back in the
Speaker 4: draft from what pick number three, then back again forward
Speaker 4: to go and get Paris Johnson junior. The Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 4: as I outlined, this is the team that their entire
Speaker 4: offseason has been built towards drafting a quarterback. They have
Speaker 4: picks eleven and pick twenty three. We can throw in
Speaker 4: a first rounder as well on top of that next year.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I think the Arizona Cardinals, it's very
Speaker 4: clear they have their quarterback and they need to bulk
Speaker 4: up and build up in a whole bunch of other places,
Speaker 4: and so a deal is going to get done.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow.
Speaker 3: I mean, I also don't consider that surprising at all
Speaker 3: because the Vikings are a completely positioned to do it.
Speaker 2: Let's hear what they do. We have a trade. We
Speaker 2: just heard it.
Speaker 5: Arizona Cardinals are trading the fourth pick to the Minnesota
Speaker 5: Vikings and selecting No, we heard all that, but yeah,
Speaker 5: but doesn't he rehash it?
Speaker 2: You know, just seven? Come on, man, I'm playing.
Speaker 4: With selecting Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy. This is, though, contingent
Speaker 4: that I believe Mark is up next, that Montia support
Speaker 4: can then get on the phone with Mark Sessler and
Speaker 4: work on a deal with potential game.
Speaker 2: We'll deal with that. We'll see how that goes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that may or may not happen.
Speaker 4: But JJ McCarthy, as we've talked about situations, there wasn't
Speaker 4: a better one in all of college football last year.
Speaker 4: And just to outline some of those numbers, he only
Speaker 4: had ninety one attempts in the fourth quarter. Last year
Speaker 4: only thirty eight attempts in the entire second half. But
Speaker 4: this offense was really built on being super productive on
Speaker 4: first and second down running the football and then when
Speaker 4: they need and if you go and watch his like
Speaker 4: third and five plus plays when it was pure obvious
Speaker 4: throwing situations, I thought JJ McCarthy maybe had the best
Speaker 4: look of any quarterback in this draft class. And you
Speaker 4: talk about deep play action under center, where all of
Speaker 4: these Shanahan McVeigh coaching tree and flight callers are coming from.
Speaker 4: Obviously Kevin O'Connell loves to do that. JJ McCarthy was
Speaker 4: really really good in those scenarios. So in some ways
Speaker 4: it's a plug and play approach. Or if you want
Speaker 4: to sit and learn understand Darno for a little bit,
Speaker 4: you've got that one too.
Speaker 3: I love the landing spot, and I think the only
Speaker 3: thing that I kind of suspect is that over the
Speaker 3: next you know, three plus weeks, that JJ McCarthy might
Speaker 3: go up a spot. I really think he could be
Speaker 3: picked before some of these other guys.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 3: I also think there's there's the Jim harbod like has
Speaker 3: hyped him up and everything, But It's like, I really
Speaker 3: like believe that this is like what the Vikings are
Speaker 3: gonna heat seeking a quarterback. I don't know if they'd
Speaker 3: have a problem getting here at number four versus maybe
Speaker 3: even higher up with the Patriots, but this is a
Speaker 3: perfect landing spot for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Just love that all these guys are so athletic. I mean,
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is like a freak athlete. And you know,
Speaker 2: I look at you, Josh, and I think Panthers Panthers fan,
Speaker 2: and I think when Cam Newton comes into the league,
Speaker 2: it's like, none of these guys are Cam Newton. To
Speaker 2: be clear, he was a unicorn, but it was like
Speaker 2: one guy like that with a great athleticism would come in,
Speaker 2: you know, every few right, it changed the league, like
Speaker 2: and it would be every five years or something at
Speaker 2: most someone like that. And none of them are quite Cam.
Speaker 2: Yet they're all like it better than they're better than
Speaker 2: like the second or third in terms of athleticism then
Speaker 2: the like the second or third most athletic quarterback from
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, literally all of them. And McCarthy is
Speaker 2: one of those guys too, So it'd be fun to
Speaker 2: see him in a McConnell offense. All right, now are
Speaker 2: in O'Connell offense. You have the fifth pick here, Mark,
Speaker 2: and apparently you're going to get a trade proposal. We've
Speaker 2: heard some buzz from from the garden.
Speaker 4: I mean, Mark, yes, if Monte Austen for it, gives
Speaker 4: that cell phone a call. This team, before this trade
Speaker 4: already had the twenty seventh pick in the first round,
Speaker 4: the third pick of the second round, the second pick
Speaker 4: of the third round, the seventh pick of the third round,
Speaker 4: the twenty sixth pick of the third round. The Cardinals
Speaker 4: are loaded, right, so why not allow them to move
Speaker 4: back up here from Marvin Harrison Junior and get and
Speaker 4: get Kyler Murray an alpha wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I have one. It's an attractive attempt.
Speaker 3: It's an attractive logical offer, and I think that the
Speaker 3: Chargers all along, especially if one of those quarterbacks slipped
Speaker 3: beyond number four, which I don't think will happen. They
Speaker 3: are a very prime target location and I could see
Speaker 3: them being tempted by it. But I also look at
Speaker 3: a team that right now is trying to float to
Speaker 3: their fan base and to other teams that Josh Palmer
Speaker 3: and a wait and see Quentin Johnson.
Speaker 2: Are your lead wideouts. I don't like that at all.
Speaker 3: I don't think they went into the offseason planning to
Speaker 3: move on from Mike Willilliams and then have the Keenan
Speaker 3: Allen thing happened the way that it did.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just can't be where you're going into
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: And we know there's other wideouts and stuff, but under
Speaker 3: I like the same way with the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Let's hear what they do.
Speaker 5: With the fifth pick for the twenty twenty four around
Speaker 5: the NFL Mock Draft, the Los Angeles Chargers select.
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. Who I mean, who has better eyes
Speaker 3: on what this player is than Michigan's Jim Harbaugh, Like
Speaker 3: he absolutely understands what he is. I mean, there are
Speaker 3: he's quoted out there as glowing over Marvin Harrison. I
Speaker 3: think there's this idea that they're not gonna take a
Speaker 3: wide out, They're gonna move on, They're gonna do something else.
Speaker 3: It's like, why do you not take first of all
Speaker 3: NFL bloodlines? It just starts and ends with me on that,
Speaker 3: and it's the perfect Justin Herbert tandem piece right there.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just feels like it's foolish to
Speaker 3: overthink this one with this particular player.
Speaker 2: I think, depending on the offer, if they would be ten,
Speaker 2: did to move down, you know, to a team like
Speaker 2: the Cardinals at eleven, still getting a good pick in
Speaker 2: this draft, just because it's their first year there, and
Speaker 2: it's like, can we, like the Cardinals are trying to do,
Speaker 2: can we get a bunch of our guys to reset
Speaker 2: our program? But Harrison is a seems as a safe
Speaker 2: and exciting and explosive a prospect as you know you
Speaker 2: could possibly want at wide receiver. I just love like
Speaker 2: the ball skills, and people have just almost gotten bored
Speaker 2: looking for like little negatives and it's tough. I don't
Speaker 2: think he plays like Clarry Fitzgerald, but he reminds me
Speaker 2: of Fitzgerald just in the way that everything well, just
Speaker 2: that he's the most bulletproof prospect since Fitzgerald. And I
Speaker 2: don't think it's just hindsight that now we look back
Speaker 2: and say, well, yeah, that Fitzgerald take was right. It
Speaker 2: was like there's only been a few of those guys.
Speaker 2: Joe Thomas was one, Fitzgerald is another that like going
Speaker 2: into everyone everyone and decided like Hall of Fame is
Speaker 2: sort of the over under for this guy. And I
Speaker 2: feel like Marvin Harrison is that guy too, And for
Speaker 2: him to be there at five that stuff to pen
Speaker 2: i'ld bee like disappointing if he isn't a Hall of
Speaker 2: Famer or like talking about that's like unfair even to say.
Speaker 2: But yeah, pro Boiler, I mean that sort of guy
Speaker 2: where it's just it's almost campus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a prototypical X Y receiver. And remember like
Speaker 4: when Chip Kelly and I this is Hardball's, you know,
Speaker 4: second term in the NFL. Remember when Chip Kelly came
Speaker 4: into the league and he basically drafted or signed any
Speaker 4: player that crushed the Oregon Ducks. Right, Obviously, Marvin Harrison
Speaker 4: Junior putting five catches for one hundred and eighteen yards
Speaker 4: in a touchdown just on this team last year, and
Speaker 4: that was without C. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud.
Speaker 4: I will say, I think the big dilemma here with
Speaker 4: the Chargers, and I agree with you Mark where I
Speaker 4: think people are taking the Hey, we got rid of
Speaker 4: Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, and that means we're just
Speaker 4: not going to use Justin Herbert. We're not going to
Speaker 4: throw the football they're taking that way too far. I
Speaker 4: think more so it's hey, we want to get younger
Speaker 4: and faster at the position and healthier. And the defensive
Speaker 4: players are the ones that were willing to rework their deal,
Speaker 4: and the wide receivers were not. But I think the
Speaker 4: big delima here with the Chargers is, hey, do we
Speaker 4: find our do we trade down and find our right
Speaker 4: tackle or do we take one of these alpha wide receivers?
Speaker 1: And it can go either direction. I like this move.
Speaker 1: I did too.
Speaker 6: The Giants are next up number six, off for stands.
Speaker 6: What offer from the Arizona Cardinals pick eleven? Okay, and
Speaker 6: pick twenty seven for pick six?
Speaker 3: That's intriguing. I mean the Giants obviously are open to
Speaker 3: moving up and down the board. They were just you know,
Speaker 3: embarrassed by the Patriots organization.
Speaker 2: You look at what the Giants you know, have at
Speaker 2: wide receiver, and again, I think it matches up pretty
Speaker 2: well with what they need. And I've seen people of
Speaker 2: decide it's like, okay, they could be trading up for
Speaker 2: a quarterback, you know, would they want to go tackle?
Speaker 2: They just sign you know, Jermaine, but he could play guard,
Speaker 2: Like you're not giving him too much money or anything
Speaker 2: like that. And I'm like, hello, their number one receiver
Speaker 2: is still Jalen Hyatt or Wandel Robinson's like, you've got
Speaker 2: a bunch of like fun pieces there that's been their
Speaker 2: receiver group for a while, Slate, and you've never had
Speaker 2: even anyone close to a guy, and you got a
Speaker 2: couple of guys on the board. And yet I actually
Speaker 2: think it'd be smart to take that trade. This is
Speaker 2: a team that needs so many things that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it with you, Josh, I'm gonna take those picks.
Speaker 5: The Arizona Cardinals are trading back up to the number
Speaker 5: six spot and selecting.
Speaker 2: Well, now you're the Cardinals. I don't even know we're
Speaker 2: taking my league neighbors. Yeah, I thought you were the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Now in this scenario, it sort of breaks my brain
Speaker 2: that we're trading from outside the top ten. We're only
Speaker 2: going to top ten. Doesn't matter. Uh Man, talk to
Speaker 2: me you, I know you like to do the wide
Speaker 2: receiver breakdowns. Just what was watching the Neighbors tape? Like?
Speaker 2: For you?
Speaker 4: What if I told you this is like jetpack braindon nyuk?
Speaker 4: Would that be that'd be interesting for a wide receiver prospect.
Speaker 4: I will say his length isn't as great, so like
Speaker 4: contest situation is not as good. But if we're talking
Speaker 4: about a guy who can already run routes, who already
Speaker 4: anytime he has the ball in his hands can turn
Speaker 4: it into an explosive, game changing play, who's I think
Speaker 4: twenty or almost twenty one years old, like Molik Neighbors
Speaker 4: is something special. He forced the fourth most mistackles this season,
Speaker 4: and he was the only one of that top four
Speaker 4: who had an a dot beyond eight yards down the field.
Speaker 4: In fact, his average up the target was twelve yards
Speaker 4: down the field. Despite all those force miss tackles, he
Speaker 4: only had fourteen spring catches, so it's not like these
Speaker 4: were easy targets. They were intermediate, they were down the field.
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys have heard the whispers that some
Speaker 4: teams have him as the wide receiver one. I will
Speaker 4: say I prefer Marvin Harrison Junior. But they basically had
Speaker 4: the same amount of explosive places fifteen plusure gains.
Speaker 1: Over the last two years.
Speaker 4: And it's really easy and enticing to fall in love
Speaker 4: with the guy who catches a slant like Odell Beckham
Speaker 4: and then runs it for five yards for a touchdown,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And he led the what he led college football last
Speaker 3: year in the twenty plus yard catches to your point,
Speaker 3: breaking tackles, you know, at depth of field there And
Speaker 3: just like the team before them, they absolutely need a
Speaker 3: wide receiver Arizona, Like you can't go into this season
Speaker 3: with what they have. And so I think it's a
Speaker 3: sensible trade up for a star type player, right, and.
Speaker 2: He'd be the wide receiver one in many years, even
Speaker 2: some strong years. It is. It is fine. I do
Speaker 2: wonder like how much does did Joe Burrow experience help
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels that, Like there was this feeling it's like, man,
Speaker 2: he's throwing a Jason justin Jefferson.
Speaker 5: Is he he?
Speaker 2: Is he really that good? And then it turned out yeah,
Speaker 2: actually everyone can be good. That that's totally possible. And
Speaker 2: so and now you look at LSU now and and
Speaker 2: Neighbors and their receivers and you're like, Jane or because
Speaker 2: because the catches some of the catches Neighbors makes or
Speaker 2: are just outrageous, and you give Daniel's credit for getting
Speaker 2: the ball there on time, but Neighbors feels to me
Speaker 2: like a safer prospect. I guess I would put it,
Speaker 2: and that makes sense. Receivers are generally safer at this
Speaker 2: part of the draft in quarterbacks, but he's another one
Speaker 2: that it really feels like, can't miss. Uh. Let's go
Speaker 2: to the the seventh pick the Tennessee Titans, which I
Speaker 2: think is, you know, one of the picks that now
Speaker 2: we're getting into the portion of the draft where it
Speaker 2: it's a lot more of a mystery, the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 5: The Tennessee Titans select with the seventh overall pick of
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty four round the NFL Mock Draft.
Speaker 1: Their Dame left tackle Joe alt Uh.
Speaker 4: This is an intriguing situation because Roma Dunes is still
Speaker 4: on the board and I felt like prior to for Agency,
Speaker 4: this was basically the recreation of the Cincinnati Bengals meme
Speaker 4: that we had. This is Joe Burrow with Piney Seoul
Speaker 4: throwing to anyone down the field, or this is Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow throwing to Jamar Chase while being blocked by no
Speaker 4: one and getting sacked if you remember that meme. I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm seeing stars and so this is just
Speaker 4: a section of Twitter that I occupy.
Speaker 1: And Mark does not.
Speaker 4: Anyways, Brian Callahan was obviously on that Cincinnati Bengals staff,
Speaker 4: and at that time they chose the playmaker. They chose
Speaker 4: the wide receiver instead of the offensive lineman. However, the
Speaker 4: Calvin Ridthy deals certainly puts me in the scenario in
Speaker 4: the path of Hey, we added Lloyd Cushion Bari at center.
Speaker 4: Pieter Skronsky played really well left gar last year. We
Speaker 4: literally do not have a left tackle on this roster,
Speaker 4: and so Joe Walt, who might have some Nate Solder
Speaker 4: like comparison, steps in here as our left tack.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I mean, we had Grave Digger, our former producer, on
Speaker 3: and he last week and he predicted the same that
Speaker 3: this was the perfect fit for them. And you can
Speaker 3: see certain Titans fans of a certain ilk not thinking
Speaker 3: it's kind of a sexy enough pick when you could
Speaker 3: have gotten one of these wide receivers. But their quarterbacks
Speaker 3: were shattered behind that offensive line in years past since
Speaker 3: like as many issues as they had it wide out,
Speaker 3: the same was true of their line, and this seems
Speaker 3: like an incredibly reliable player. Their best off offseason move
Speaker 3: was getting Bill Callahan, and so you get Bill Callahan
Speaker 3: the tools to succeed, and I think he can make
Speaker 3: the rest of the offensive line like sixty percent better
Speaker 3: than it's.
Speaker 2: Been, right because All is very, very athletic and would
Speaker 2: fit well in that system. I think really improved in
Speaker 2: his last season at Notre Dame. It does, you know,
Speaker 2: part of me if I'm a Titans fan, It's like
Speaker 2: it's a tricky spot because is there that huge of
Speaker 2: a gap between All and a really great tackle class
Speaker 2: that's behind them? Maybe not as much as you you
Speaker 2: would want, But will a tackle be there in the
Speaker 2: second round when they pick again that they want. No,
Speaker 2: probably not, because like all these guys are gonna come
Speaker 2: off the board, So they're just in like a a
Speaker 2: weird spot where I'd personally be tempted to take a
Speaker 2: doomsday But it totally would make sense if if they
Speaker 2: take Joe All before we wrap up the end of
Speaker 2: this draft, we're gonna take one final break be back
Speaker 2: right after this. All right, we are back and the
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons are up next. I don't think anyone's traded
Speaker 2: into this spot at this point.
Speaker 3: Or.
Speaker 2: Are we can we can find out.
Speaker 5: With the eighth overall pick of the twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: around the NFL mock Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select.
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner edge out of Alabama.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean they've had their offensive is set
Speaker 3: to go, and like they obviously they've over the past
Speaker 3: couple of years added so much weaponry and it's a
Speaker 3: good setup for Kirk Cousins. Their defense needs help all
Speaker 3: over the place. I almost went Terry on Arnold here,
Speaker 3: just because I think, like, if you're this new coaching staff,
Speaker 3: like you do need to build some find some foundational
Speaker 3: pieces on defense. They have had that Jonathan abramccurse, where
Speaker 3: like they've not really been able to rush the passer
Speaker 3: for like four thousand eons. Uh, Dallas Turner is the
Speaker 3: clear front position player at the edge. There's it's like
Speaker 3: it's not the greatest class for that. I think it's
Speaker 3: an absolute need filler. It gives you something to build around.
Speaker 3: And this is the guy i'd pick.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I think I see he's also being mocked to them
Speaker 3: in like every single mock draft, and it's like, if
Speaker 3: you can get the best edge rusher at number eight,
Speaker 3: that's that's in other years that would never even be possible.
Speaker 2: It is do you are you actually surprised, Josh, there's
Speaker 2: not more excitement Oh not that there's not more excitement
Speaker 2: over Dallas Turner if he ends up being the first
Speaker 2: defensive player, But to me, he would seem like a
Speaker 2: guy his profile, his production, his lineage certainly is his
Speaker 2: numbers as a guy that actually would be talked about,
Speaker 2: is like could could he get taken higher in this
Speaker 2: in this draft?
Speaker 4: You know, it reminds me just from a big picture
Speaker 4: draft perspect of when we had you know, Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 4: Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, mac Jones, justin fields where there's
Speaker 4: like so much conversation about the quarterbacks and also that
Speaker 4: ears like DeVante Smith's, Jalen Wattle and a bunch of
Speaker 4: wide receivers where also in that draft it was what Patrick'surtan,
Speaker 4: it was Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: Parsons, you know, falling out of the top ten.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So to the point of am I surprise that there's
Speaker 4: not more buzz or more noise about it? I just
Speaker 4: think like the quarterback and wide receiver conversations are just
Speaker 4: dominating the entire conversation here. I'm just happy that Grady
Speaker 4: Jarret gets a little bit of help, because it's felt
Speaker 4: like he has carried this defense for like a decade
Speaker 4: at this point. Yeah, and it's had like a single
Speaker 4: other person to rush the passer in that time.
Speaker 2: And they haven't had any additions on defense really in
Speaker 2: the off season either. To me, I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's tipping their hand a little bit or just surprising
Speaker 2: to me that Raheem Morris wouldn't go in there. But
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I would need to really
Speaker 2: break it down more. But I've watched some Dallas Turner
Speaker 2: and to me, it's exciting, Like I don't see why
Speaker 2: he's like that much of a work, like a different
Speaker 2: prospect than Will Anderson, who was a guy who ended
Speaker 2: up getting traded up for in the top three. To me,
Speaker 2: it seems like they're they're similar, and that makes me
Speaker 2: very happy, as you know, standing in for Ryan Poles,
Speaker 2: because I had a couple offers ready as Ryan Poles,
Speaker 2: and I know Bears fans don't think they're going to
Speaker 2: do this to possibly trade up, but the way this
Speaker 2: draft fell with JJ McCarthy going fourth and and Dounza
Speaker 2: is still sitting there at seven, I didn't think it
Speaker 2: was necessary to trade.
Speaker 5: Up with the ninth overall pick of the twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four Around the NFL Mock Draft, the Chicago Bears select.
Speaker 2: Rome A Dunza. I love it wide receiver, and I
Speaker 2: don't think it's crazy for the Bears to think about
Speaker 2: trading up for a Donza or if it neighbors winds
Speaker 2: up being wide receiver three, which no one expects at
Speaker 2: this point, just two or three spots to complete that offense.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of talk of well, if they
Speaker 2: get to this point of the draft, do they take
Speaker 2: the hot, highest edge rusher or the highest tackle. And
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like man, there are three great wide receivers
Speaker 2: in this class, and getting Keenan Allen does not mean
Speaker 2: you do not need a wide receiver. He's on a
Speaker 2: one year contract and he's thirty two. That may work out.
Speaker 2: It will work out if he stays on the field.
Speaker 2: I'm confident in stay in saying that. But he's getting older,
Speaker 2: like he had a great year last year. But it
Speaker 2: might work out best for the Bears that he just
Speaker 2: has one great season for them and then they move
Speaker 2: on and they potentially get a compick depending on what happens.
Speaker 2: Like man, this would be huge to add a guy
Speaker 2: that you know can play outside, and you can have
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen and DJ Morrik on a flip flop playing inside.
Speaker 2: But Alan, to me would be at his best, especially
Speaker 2: now at this point, it is great he is at
Speaker 2: his best in the slot.
Speaker 3: And you'd have to say that, like Ryan Poles on
Speaker 3: paper would have looked Gene so over the last two
Speaker 3: off seasons to do what he's done, you put your
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback, and the Bears have not really found that
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. And for as long as we've been following
Speaker 3: the sport, they've been allergic to that. And one of
Speaker 3: the biggest stories in the league is what's happened to
Speaker 3: the NFC North over the past couple of seasons and
Speaker 3: how different the Lions are the Packers. Suddenly there's a
Speaker 3: ton of hoope around them and the Bears can't fall behind.
Speaker 3: This would put them into the forefront of that conversation
Speaker 3: with one of the best wide receiver groups on paper league.
Speaker 2: And I get they do have a pretty large need
Speaker 2: at edge and they're going to try to you know,
Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of picks in this draft
Speaker 2: right now. They're going to be a candidate to trade
Speaker 2: down even if a Dounza isn't there. So I think
Speaker 2: pace though, I think it's go time. It's it's year,
Speaker 2: you know four for him, and to me, that is
Speaker 2: their biggest need. And I don't think it'd even be
Speaker 2: crazy for them to trade like a twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: pick to move up to six or seven or eight
Speaker 2: if they feel like they have to to get a Dunza.
Speaker 2: I don't think tackle makes sense. They have a good
Speaker 2: tackle in Braxton Jones. Like you if you it's like
Speaker 2: having a quarterback on a rookie contract, Like I know,
Speaker 2: Braxton Jones isn't like an elite quarterback, but it'd be
Speaker 2: like if Mac Jones turned into the best version of
Speaker 2: Mac Jones and was just like the twelfth best quarterback
Speaker 2: in the league, that rooky contract would have been great.
Speaker 2: And that's what they have in Braxton Jones. So don't
Speaker 2: get don't get cute. You don't need to take a
Speaker 2: left tackle there, especially if it's a deep crop. Forget
Speaker 2: about it. I'm preaching to the choir here.
Speaker 4: And I think of a Duneesday isn't here, then it
Speaker 4: makes total sense two trade down because you only have
Speaker 4: picked seventy five and one twenty two after this after dealing,
Speaker 4: and I love this. At points I find myself thinking
Speaker 4: that teams should trade more middle or late round picks
Speaker 4: for veterans that they're interested in. And the Bears and
Speaker 4: Ryan Poles have done this. You know, they made the
Speaker 4: King Allen trade. Obviously, Montes what the deadline?
Speaker 1: Even?
Speaker 4: I think Ryan Bates is gonna be a starting player
Speaker 4: for them this year. So yeah, they only have two
Speaker 4: other picks I think right now in the top five
Speaker 4: rounds at the moment.
Speaker 2: But their d line is pretty weak for a team
Speaker 2: that at.
Speaker 4: Build the defense slowly, right is by a defensive build
Speaker 4: the defense slowly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've looked. They've invested a lot of picks
Speaker 2: in the secondary and a lot of money into linebackers.
Speaker 2: And then Montes sweat is there, so they've they certainly
Speaker 2: haven't left the cover drive for efos all right. The
Speaker 2: final pick here in our top ten mock draft goes
Speaker 2: to Josh Norris.
Speaker 5: With the tenth pick of the twenty twenty four around
Speaker 5: the NFL mock Draft, the New York Jets select Hello,
Speaker 5: oh there's.
Speaker 2: A little bit off.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, look who we have here.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, a little bit hands this action, a little
Speaker 2: bit of a production value for our YouTube listeners. He
Speaker 2: showed up Dan Hansis, who amazingly doesn't actually have in
Speaker 2: his phone, but he just showed a picture of Dan
Speaker 2: that he could find on the internet. So that's good.
Speaker 4: All right, It is over, Okay. I know so many
Speaker 4: people want to project Rock Bowers to this selection, but
Speaker 4: I am bring in an offensive lineman and Troy Faltano
Speaker 4: here because I firmly believe that keeping Aaron Rodgers off
Speaker 4: the Achilles injury after just five minutes of action this
Speaker 4: past season is priority number one. And they've done everything
Speaker 4: they could in some ways in off season with maybe
Speaker 4: limited resources, and signing Tyron Smith to what a one
Speaker 4: year contract, and making that deal for Morgan Moses. You know,
Speaker 4: Tyron Smith has missed a whole bunch of time despite
Speaker 4: being a future Hall of Famer. Morgan Moses, you know,
Speaker 4: mid thirties at this point, and we know that Troy
Speaker 4: Fatano can play either left guard or even left tackle
Speaker 4: on a pinch, or even be the sixth offensive lineman
Speaker 4: to start with. And I just think, like heavily investing
Speaker 4: in those resources after you've already added Mike Williams at
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Is I think party number one in order
Speaker 4: for this team to be competitive and maybe most importantly
Speaker 4: for these guys, for Joe Douglas and Robert Sola to
Speaker 4: keep their jobs after the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't get too cute here.
Speaker 3: And it's just because you know, Makai Beckton and others
Speaker 3: that the resources they attempted to added line didn't work.
Speaker 2: You can't just stop.
Speaker 3: You got to keep trying because like that, what no,
Speaker 3: no matter what happened to Rogers last year, and win
Speaker 3: it happened, it would have happened at some point because
Speaker 3: there was a shattered offensive line and everything broke down
Speaker 3: around it. And so yes, I love the pick. I
Speaker 3: would absolutely go tackle here in a good tackle class.
Speaker 2: I know I would. I would wonder if they would
Speaker 2: get they just love taking guys. The Reddick trade actually
Speaker 2: made me feel better that like they wouldn't take a
Speaker 2: lot too lot too like to me that it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a crazy pick here. I'm a big fan of his,
Speaker 2: But now it makes a little less sense with who
Speaker 2: they have in the building and where they've used their picks.
Speaker 2: They took Jermae Johnson. They took Will McDonald. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Before we let you go, Josh, we're just gonna do
Speaker 2: a little quick speed round of just like one pick
Speaker 2: you'd like to see it in a happen in the
Speaker 2: first round of the twenty twenty four draft. So we're
Speaker 2: not doing the special chimes, the amazing production value that
Speaker 2: happens even without Dan here, But just give us a
Speaker 2: pick you'd like to see in the first round before
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to break the rules and go with
Speaker 4: pick thirty three, Okay, Carolyn, a Panther that works selecting
Speaker 4: Save your Worthy why receiver out of Texas, And I
Speaker 4: understand he's five eleven, one hundred and sixty five pounds,
Speaker 4: and that's a bit of an exception when it comes
Speaker 4: to wide receivers. But when you actually go and watch
Speaker 4: this guy, he is more than speed. He actually tries
Speaker 4: to play through contact. He actually does try to make,
Speaker 4: you know, catches outside of his frame. And sure, because
Speaker 4: he is a bit frail, it's easier for corners to
Speaker 4: you know, disrupt the catch point or attack his hands.
Speaker 4: But man super productive for three seasons. This speed is
Speaker 4: something that the Panthers desperately need. In order for defenses
Speaker 4: to not sit about fifteen yards down the field and
Speaker 4: be able to drive on everything else. And while I
Speaker 4: thought just from his combines, ZA if You're Worthy was
Speaker 4: just like purely one of these forty yard dash wide
Speaker 4: receivers we've seen in the past, I think his game
Speaker 4: kind of transcends that a little bit. And he's really exciting.
Speaker 4: He has tank delish, to be honest.
Speaker 2: I love that. And yeah, they will see if Mingo
Speaker 2: works out. I liked Mingo come coming out and the
Speaker 2: pick has not worked, but it was only a rookie.
Speaker 2: And you know Josh is a Panther fan, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one of the only ones left him and David Ealy
Speaker 2: in our newsroom, and he was fighting the good fight.
Speaker 2: And I was trying to do it too, looking for
Speaker 2: the positives and trying.
Speaker 1: To remove the impossible situation.
Speaker 2: Bryce Young from the situation that he was in and
Speaker 2: see some things. And then Bryce started making it real
Speaker 2: hard on us the last five weeks of the season
Speaker 2: or so.
Speaker 1: But before that was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Before that, it wasn't quite as bad as as people thought.
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, now we're resetting. You got Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 2: You definitely need a speed threat like Deontay Johnson. Was
Speaker 2: one of the best moves of the offseason, and yet
Speaker 2: it does not make an entire wide receiver group. What's
Speaker 2: what's one for you? Mark?
Speaker 3: I am looking for like a team where I think
Speaker 3: this player just kind of could fall to and kind
Speaker 3: of fits. I know that he's twenty three years old,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of questions about Michael Pennix junior
Speaker 3: in terms of some of zaccuracy and stuff. But Michael
Speaker 3: Pennick Junior to the Las Vegas Raiders, I mean I
Speaker 3: I think that Lay along with the Broncos, are like
Speaker 3: not the Broncos overtly. I'm surprised we didn't have any
Speaker 3: sort of trade scenario with them to get a quarterback.
Speaker 3: The Raiders don't seem as keen on trading up for someone,
Speaker 3: but someone like this that falls to them and a
Speaker 3: little bit less pressure on the whole situation. I think
Speaker 3: he's an interesting player, and I think like him in
Speaker 3: a Raiders' uniform would be a fascinating watch.
Speaker 2: I had a theory with the Vikings trade into the
Speaker 2: first round that it was partly about their belief in
Speaker 2: all the quarter not maybe at all, but the depth
Speaker 2: that yes, it could be about JJ McCarthy, but maybe
Speaker 2: it's also that they're more comfortable than we think taking
Speaker 2: a guy like Pennix or Nicks, even with that second
Speaker 2: first round pick something like that, that they just thought
Speaker 2: the depth was enough that we're going to get someone
Speaker 2: we liked there. But if Pennix goes off the board
Speaker 2: of the Raiders, then they would not be able to
Speaker 2: take him.
Speaker 1: Greg. I think that's a great point when you consider.
Speaker 4: Other quarterback classes, like fifth or six quarterbacks you're talking about,
Speaker 4: like Jacob Eason or Kyle Trask, or like Matt Carral,
Speaker 4: like the Michael Pennix bo Nixes of the world, are
Speaker 4: so many tiers and levels above those guys that it
Speaker 4: really does put in perspective how good this quarterback class
Speaker 4: can be.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm gonna throw one pick out. I'm torn.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just do two because I'll cheat. This is
Speaker 2: what you can do. You've gotta go last. When you've
Speaker 2: got the uh, when you've got the uh power of
Speaker 2: this chair, it's just intoxic. I'm gonna give Cooper dejene
Speaker 2: to the to the Packers because I don't want to
Speaker 2: give him to the Chiefs because I feel like the
Speaker 2: Chiefs will take him and then suddenly he'll be a
Speaker 2: second team All Pro in like two years. It's like, wait,
Speaker 2: how did this guy fall? I know, he's not like
Speaker 2: he's a cornerback. He's clearly you know, has some versatility,
Speaker 2: but he's a cornerback. He's extremely athletic. And I'm getting
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton vibes when I watch him and everything that happened,
Speaker 2: which is like, wait, are we overthinking it here? I
Speaker 2: know Hamilton only felt to pick fourteen, but you look
Speaker 2: at some of the players that went in front of him.
Speaker 2: They you know, Jordan Dave one in front of him,
Speaker 2: those two tackles that everyone thought were just can't miss,
Speaker 2: but they both ended up stinking. So far went in
Speaker 2: front of them. And Cooper Degene gives me those vibes
Speaker 2: maybe at a little bit of a lower level, that
Speaker 2: like he is going to be a different maybe at
Speaker 2: the best cornerback in this class. And I just look
Speaker 2: at teams that could use him later in the first round.
Speaker 2: Packers and Chiefs both come to mind. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to give them to the Packers, and I'm also gonna
Speaker 2: just you know, for the hell of it, give Lad
Speaker 2: McConkey to Lamar Jackson. Let's just get more guys that
Speaker 2: can get open.
Speaker 1: Can I throw in one more really quick?
Speaker 2: Sure? What does it matter if we make rules there?
Speaker 2: You know it's a podcast.
Speaker 4: A Rock Bowers to the Cincinnati Bengals would be fascinating.
Speaker 2: That'd be fine. The need that he was.
Speaker 4: Basically Georgia's slot wide receiver. He saw all their screens,
Speaker 4: he saw all their slot work that wasn't Laden mcconkee.
Speaker 4: He was more of the outside wide receiver. And obviously
Speaker 4: that team unless you want to put like Charlie Jones
Speaker 4: or Alec Erickson or whoever in there for the Bengals,
Speaker 4: they haven't really filled in for Tyler Boyd yet, and
Speaker 4: so going all in with that selection of Brock Bowers
Speaker 4: this year would be really.
Speaker 2: Really if he's available, He's such a Bengals pick. They're
Speaker 2: they're very much take the name brand guy that's still
Speaker 2: on the board.
Speaker 3: They had like seventy height end catches last year and
Speaker 3: it was missing from their offense.
Speaker 2: So I love that. That would be fun. This would
Speaker 2: this was fun. Josh Everyone check out Josh at Underdog
Speaker 2: like I said, killing the game, killing the YouTube game.
Speaker 2: Any final words for.
Speaker 4: You, Josh, gentlemen, phone will be next to my ear
Speaker 4: anytime you need me.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I always love joining you guys. You guys are the best.
Speaker 2: I don't think Dan takes another vacation for a while,
Speaker 2: but you know he does. You know, well, yeah, because
Speaker 2: your cold war is not ending apparently anything.
Speaker 1: We'll compare schedules, guys, We'll compare schedules.
Speaker 2: All right. Thank you to John yours. Thank you to
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell slash Eric Roberts, buying the glass. Randy Chavez's
Speaker 2: been a pleasure. We can handle this week, Mark. We
Speaker 2: can do this without our leader.
Speaker 3: I think we can too, But I think when Dan returns,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to, you know, suggest that it was
Speaker 3: and unproductive in a step down.
Speaker 2: I am excited. Patrick Claiban is going to join us
Speaker 2: on Thursday. So yeah, we're doing two shows this week,
Speaker 2: just like last week, and then we are gonna start
Speaker 2: cranking back up with more shows next week. We'll be
Speaker 2: back to our three shows a week schedule until Thursday.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: We gotta check out if there's any more Patrick Claiban
Speaker 2: song submissions for Josh for Eric, for Mark, go ahead,
Speaker 2: keep the call,