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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We need more pistachios than Joey Bosa. Welcome to another

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Speaker 2: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 2: sitting in the host chair for Dan Kansas Today in

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Speaker 2: the Chris Westling Podcast studio in a room with one

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Speaker 2: hero that's more accessive. Well, you're a hero, that would

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Speaker 2: be two. We've got two heroes. We've got Eric behind

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Speaker 2: the glass. We've got Christy and Cynthia back there. We've

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Speaker 2: got a gang. We've got a legion of thousands. Randy, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's I'm in a different chair and the glare is difficult.

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Speaker 2: We were left to wait though, to start the show.

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Speaker 2: The Mark by you know, like the number one diva

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Speaker 2: at NFL Network, Move the Sticks doing his mock draft lives. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were.

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Speaker 3: They were producing it, you know, in a different part

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Speaker 3: of the building, but through our you know, behind the

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Speaker 3: glass area. And so we started late because Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 3: and you know his cast of characters refused to go

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Speaker 3: quiet when we needed them to.

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Speaker 2: Right. Jeremiah, you know, it's his time of year and

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Speaker 2: he just flexes his muscles because he's missed your draft,

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Speaker 2: pushing his weight around Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think that's well said, and it's you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: surprise character reveal for an aspect of DJ that you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't often claim to see. But it's it's it's ripe

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Speaker 3: right now and he's doing what he's what he's typically

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Speaker 3: doing to the summer.

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Speaker 2: Now that said, we are trying to book him for

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Speaker 2: the show at some point, yes, so he doesn't, you know,

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Speaker 2: we just keep this expertise. Dan is in Hawaii, the official,

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Speaker 2: you know, high falutin location for around the NFL vacations.

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Speaker 2: Apparently our kids are both on spring break for these

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Speaker 2: two weeks. So I was there last week, he's there

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Speaker 2: this week, and then we really start cranking up back

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Speaker 2: to three days a week. Sounds like I missed a

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Speaker 2: fun week here, You missed a lively a lively couple

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Speaker 2: of shows. Or are you and Dan renting the same

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Speaker 2: place out in I don't know that. But it was

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Speaker 2: a lovely time. We got the Watson Abbes together, her parents,

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Speaker 2: my parents together for the first time and I think

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Speaker 2: fifteen years something like that. So it was lovely. And

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Speaker 2: now we're back and we're gonna have a couple draft

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Speaker 2: centered shows here. We got Josh Norris coming on in

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Speaker 2: just a little bit to go through our first mock

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Speaker 2: draft of the season. We're gonna each put our heads

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Speaker 2: into the general manager's minds really and go through the

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Speaker 2: top ten picks. We'll also have a couple of picks

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Speaker 2: that we would like to see and we didn't do

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Speaker 2: with them. We didn't do this ahead of time. We're

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Speaker 2: not now like anything could happen. I don't know what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen. I'm very excited for it. Josh Norris

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Speaker 2: one of the great draft minds out there, just one

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Speaker 2: of the great football minds over at Underdog. But before that,

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Speaker 2: we just got a little bit of news. Eric from

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Speaker 2: behind the glass, as.

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Speaker 1: We all know, decided to really go ahead and start

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Speaker 1: to take.

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Speaker 2: Command one of my all time favorite drops on this show,

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Speaker 3: That went well for him too, and you could tell

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Speaker 2: I look at this week with Dan Gohn and me

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Speaker 2: similar duty. I'm gonna be the Carson Wentz in Washington

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Speaker 2: He's back in the legue back in the news in

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Speaker 2: a little bit, but we'll start. You know, we're just

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Speaker 2: catching up. It's a quiet time of year. There was

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Speaker 2: some news though, at the end of last week, after

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Speaker 2: you taped your last show, Mark, we got the Son

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Speaker 2: lot of trades this offseason where you're like, huh, that's

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Speaker 2: it was a Son Reddick who turned out to be

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Speaker 3: I have thought that the last three or four seasons

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Speaker 2: It's a very rare time in the NFL where a

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Speaker 2: they're like we just think you're you're not good enough,

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Speaker 3: It's just like the Eagles had it on there in

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Speaker 3: Like what happened last year was like the dar total darkness,

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Speaker 2: Uh, if you remember, was a drafted as a linebacker

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Speaker 3: Well and it was last year too, and it's like

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Speaker 3: But I still think there's questions about what Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: Sure, and Will McDonald was their first round pick last year.

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Speaker 2: we mentioned Carson Wentz. It's not massive news. The rest

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Speaker 3: Ah right, I mean, if anything, he's got a ton

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Speaker 2: kind of fascinating to see Carson Wentz play like one game,

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Speaker 2: He wanted to be like, where did that come from?

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Speaker 2: you know, in the news. I was like, not much

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Speaker 2: But he's like, well, why can't they just be normal

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Speaker 4: Guys, you know what I realized. I don't think and

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Speaker 3: Mark, that is a that is a fair fairly bubbling controversy.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that, but I could see us in

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a sorry he's threatened by you, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, this is this is completely unfair, frankly to

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Speaker 3: I did promise stand and I would know controversies about

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Speaker 2: And yeah I mentioned the YouTube. You can check Josh

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Speaker 3: And this is the one, like Josh Norris, Like you'll

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that bank account did not

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Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury angle into that too. I have lost a

433
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Speaker 3: fair amount of faith in Cliff Kingsbury and will get

434
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Speaker 3: to him in a minute, but we will. I mean

435
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Speaker 3: there are like I think the destiny of these quarterbacks

436
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: has a lot to do with the fact that the

437
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Speaker 3: best quarterback is typically going to a team that's a

438
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Speaker 3: trash bag and they have a nice assortment of players around.

439
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Speaker 3: I think the Keenan Allen trade to go with Teacher,

440
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 3: it's like he's in a good position to I have

441
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Speaker 3: a faster start than if he had gone to some

442
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Speaker 3: lost organization in the forest.

443
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Speaker 2: But before we move on, because I do think we

444
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Speaker 2: have a tendency to kind of like overlooked the one

445
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: pick after a while because it's like right for you know,

446
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: especially on this show, we haven't actually talked about Kayleb

447
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: Williams that much. Two things. Number one, like what watching

448
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, watching the tape sort of impressed their surprising

449
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: those And then number two, I'm curious like what you

450
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: think his rushing value will be as a pro. You're

451
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Speaker 2: you know, you're a fantasy guy, so that that's certainly

452
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: a big but it's also a big reality part of

453
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Speaker 2: his game.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, any of the top ten, top twelve

455
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Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the league, now you have to have some

456
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 4: love of athleticism once things break down or don't go

457
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: the way that you want to, you know on the

458
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Speaker 4: play sheet, and he has that, especially if you go

459
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Speaker 4: back to his stuff at Oklahoma, he is like stronger

460
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Speaker 4: than you think when running the ball and people bounce

461
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Speaker 4: off him and there are some insane runs on top

462
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Speaker 4: of that. In that small sample what I was reminded

463
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Speaker 4: of because you can check out the box scores, you

464
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 4: can check out all that stuff, but like the game

465
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Speaker 4: gets Washington this season for example, you know, a team

466
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Speaker 4: that was buying for the national championship. The Huskies scored

467
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Speaker 4: a touchdown on eight of ten of their drives in

468
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: that game. Like it was similar situation like that every

469
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: single time he touched the field where he basically had

470
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Speaker 4: to score a touchdown or bust. And so yeah, there

471
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 4: were one hundred percent instances where he puts more pressure

472
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 4: on his offensive line than was necessary, but I feel

473
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: like you have to do that in order to also

474
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Speaker 4: get the wow plays that also come along with that.

475
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Speaker 4: And he also is trying to buy time, I thought,

476
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 4: in order to allow for those extended plays, to allow

477
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Speaker 4: his wide receivers to get free because maybe the play

478
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 4: call was bad, and again those out of structure moments

479
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 4: they could kind of separate from their corners.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

481
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Speaker 4: It was just the balance that he played with of, Hey,

482
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Speaker 4: I can quickly throw the football because I know exactly

483
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Speaker 4: what the coverage is pre snap, and then I see

484
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Speaker 4: it again post snap. But then also the elongated magician stuff,

485
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 4: which again separates you know, you being from a top

486
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Speaker 4: ten quarterback to a top five overall quarter back.

487
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Speaker 2: In the leak. Yeah, and you mentioned that Oklahoma year.

488
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: He does have a nice balance of he's not an

489
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: old prospect, but he does have plenty of experience. He

490
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: threw a couple hundred passes for Oklahoma, and you're right,

491
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: you ran for four hundred and forty two yards that year,

492
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Speaker 2: and then last year. You know, by the time he

493
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: got to what essentially was his senior year for USC,

494
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: he all but refused to run except for touchdowns. And

495
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Speaker 2: you know, he did score twenty seven touchdowns as as

496
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Speaker 2: a college player in twenty one over the last two

497
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Speaker 2: years for USC, so it was interesting. But I think

498
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Speaker 2: that was because he knew where he was in the draft.

499
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: He didn't need to run, but he certainly should be

500
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Speaker 2: able to mark. You have the second overall pick. We

501
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: haven't heard a lot of buzz about any trades, and

502
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 2: we are allowing trades, trade proposals to happen in this draft.

503
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: We'll just see what happens. But unless anyone has a

504
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: trade for the number two pick, you are.

505
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to, you know, shake things up, but

506
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: there was an element of logic to this, and we're

507
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Speaker 3: gonna see what happens with the Washington Commanders.

508
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Speaker 5: With the second pick of the twenty twenty four around

509
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Speaker 5: the NFL mock Draft, the Washington Commanders select.

510
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels quarterback LSU. Now like digging into this even

511
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 3: you know where we were like a couple like three

512
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Speaker 3: four weeks ago, it was like, oh, Drake's Drake May

513
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Speaker 3: And it's like, I just feel that the tide is

514
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: turning a little bit more. We're hearing more and more

515
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Speaker 3: about the fact that this could be Jaden Daniels, I am.

516
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Speaker 3: I feel like the Drake May reviews have been sort

517
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Speaker 3: of all over the map, and I think it's interesting

518
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: that compared to pass Commander's operations, you're not hearing much

519
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: of anything at all about what they're gonna do. So

520
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Speaker 3: I think this is a true, interesting, mysterious number two pick.

521
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Speaker 3: I go with Daniels. I think he's kind of he

522
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: does it a little bit of everything, Like his dangerous

523
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: nature on the ground is fascinating to me. He has

524
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Speaker 3: five seasons of starting experience. I think that matters with

525
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Speaker 3: these quarterback college quarterbacks a lot to me, football intelligence,

526
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: pre snap intelligence. I guess for me it's the He's

527
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: got a rare, you know, blend of arm talent, running ability.

528
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: He's got Cliff Kingsbury as his offensive cornat we just

529
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Speaker 3: mentioned that. I think that's a that isn't a bit

530
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: of a wild card. But Josh, how do you feel

531
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Speaker 3: about me going Daniels over Drake mayhere.

532
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Speaker 1: Well sidebar here.

533
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Speaker 4: Greg as the man with the most accurate mock draft

534
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Speaker 4: of all time, we know that obviously mock drafting is

535
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: it's you, not me.

536
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: That's you and me. To be clear, that was you

537
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: two years ago living. This is all about the consumes

538
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: of that mock draft ever since, we didn't hear much

539
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: about your last year as macdraft But yes, we sorry,

540
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: what was your question?

541
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Speaker 4: Mock drafting is all about dot connecting, so Greg, I

542
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 4: have seen people try to connect the dots of Oh,

543
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 4: they signed Marcus Mariota as the backup quarterback, they trade

544
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Speaker 4: away Sam Howell. Does that mean that they are citing

545
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 4: more with the Jaden Daniels type than the Drake may type.

546
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Speaker 4: I'm not buying into that as much.

547
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Speaker 1: What say you?

548
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: No, I don't know how Marcus Mariota could have a

549
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: lot to do with it, right And when was the

550
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: last time? Yeah? I know Mariota can run a little bit,

551
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: but he's not Jayden Daniels. I mean he's nothing, I

552
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: mean compared, He's nothing close to Jade Daniels.

553
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: I am not saying that Sam Howell, for what.

554
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: It's worth, is like as good a runner, if not

555
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: better than Marcus Mariota. It makes not that makes no

556
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: sense to me. I just can't imagine anything to do

557
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: like this. This choice is their franchise, It changes their franchise.

558
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: It's the biggest choice. Their franchise is going to make

559
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: for the next you know, seven eight years in their minds,

560
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: hopefully more the fact that it would like that Marcus

561
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Speaker 2: Mariota's signing would somehow indicate what's going to happen.

562
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Speaker 3: I just came back one little doc, go ahead, Mark Well,

563
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like Brian Kelly and maybe this

564
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: is nothing, but he, you know, was glowing about Jayden

565
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: Daniels in an interview and basically said Washington is going

566
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: to be very happy with what they get. And it's like, okay,

567
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: you're maybe you're just saying this is the second best

568
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: quarterback in the draft, if not the first in your eyes,

569
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: and he's going number two. But that kind of one

570
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: it makes you wonder if Brian Kelly just knows something.

571
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

572
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Speaker 4: Well, I actually think the Marcus Mariota connection is more

573
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: about Brian Johnson, who they brought in, is like I

574
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 4: think their past game coordinator and obviously they have time together.

575
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: And that's literally that's that's it. That's only it's like

576
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: that who's available and I just worked with this guy

577
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: who's available as a backup quarterback.

578
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Speaker 1: With Jayden Daniels.

579
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Speaker 4: He is a fascinating player and obviously it's interesting it's

580
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: very Philadelphia Eagles to me, honestly. You have two alpha

581
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: wide receivers on the outside that both might be top

582
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Speaker 4: twenty picks.

583
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Speaker 2: Uh.

584
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Speaker 4: This season, you had a fantastic offensive line. You rarely

585
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: attack the middle of the field because when you have

586
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 4: rushing success, obviously that and especially with the hash marks,

587
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: can turn you know, these one on ones on the

588
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: outside into enviable matchups. And so you just have deep

589
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: shot after deep shot over and over and over again.

590
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: And it was no under center work, which is not

591
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: a surprise. But I just wonder if, like if you

592
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: compare levels, and I actually don't think the Commanders in

593
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: terms of pass catchers as a bad situation to walk into.

594
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: You have, you know, Johan Dotson, obviously Terry McLaurin on

595
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: top of that. But man, it was just an ideal

596
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: situation for jayde Daniels to work in. But at the

597
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 4: same time he totally maximized it. That is like underselling it.

598
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 4: It was obviously a Heisman Trophy season, but they are

599
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: just some weird wonky numbers underlying in terms of his profile,

600
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 4: Like everybody, Nate Tyce pointed this out. Only at his

601
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: dropbacks resulted in a pass attempt That was one hundred

602
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: and ninety third out of one hundred and ninety six,

603
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: you know, and he just rarely attacked the midle of

604
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: the field. But I really like him as a prospect.

605
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: I just prefer Drake May as a.

606
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: Player, right, he like I think it. You know, this

607
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: is the first of his three senior seasons. He set

608
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: his career high with three hundred and eighty eight pass attempts.

609
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: So other than that, he was like three hundred and

610
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: three twenty seven. And that's you know, playing every game.

611
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: And the age thing doesn't matter to me. A not that,

612
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: not that it's going to prevent you from being a

613
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 2: great quarterback right off the bat. He clearly needed that

614
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: time in college to develop, and I think it's going

615
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: to work out for him and make him a better

616
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: player at the pro level. But that if you're comparing

617
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: him to a guy like Drake May who's so much younger,

618
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: how can that not make a big difference. Now, Now

619
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: that said, he might enter the league, as you know,

620
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: he might be the newest best running quarterback ever. Also

621
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Speaker 2: like right, I mean, he's like, if he starts seventeen games,

622
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: isn't he going to have a chance to break the

623
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Speaker 2: all time rushing record. I mean, as long as he

624
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: stays healthy. I know he's he's got a a frame

625
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: that you worry about a little bit, but.

626
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Speaker 1: He takes like car crashes every time.

627
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: Right, But his running is just outrageously crazy.

628
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really.

629
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: That's pretty exciting.

630
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: Let's table what age conversation when we get to Drake

631
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: may because I actually think it's like more of an

632
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: optimistic lens of him than it might be like a

633
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: downside of.

634
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: The Okay, that's absolutely fair and yet to put some

635
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: context on it. Yeah, jayde and Daniels ran for almost

636
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: three thousand yards over the last three seasons, including eleven

637
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four yards in twelve games. And I

638
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: know it's just counting staff and stuff, but you watch it.

639
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: We just like the only player INPs history with twelve

640
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: thousand passing yards in three thousand.

641
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: It's just outrageous. But I always am a little anxious

642
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: about the guys who you know, you mentioned Nate Tights.

643
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: He has more as like a late first round type

644
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: of grade. And that's you know as early as yeah,

645
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: as late as like mid August, early November. The draft knicks,

646
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: maybe they were just off all along. But they they

647
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: did not necessarily see him as QB three or even

648
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: in the first round conversation at all. And we've seen

649
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: guys like that shoot up fast Mariotos. Was he kind

650
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Speaker 2: of one like that? Maybe not. RG three absolutely was

651
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: where no one had any idea RG three was going

652
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: to be the top two pick until the end of

653
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Speaker 2: the season, and then he was all right, let's move

654
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Speaker 2: to the third pick. And for the first time, we

655
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: do have a trade proposal on the board. WHOA, So

656
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: the Patriots are on the clock, Drake May is available,

657
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: and I as take I'm the also taking the sixth

658
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: pick in the nine pick, so I hold the Giants pick.

659
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: So I am actually proposing a trade from the Giants

660
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: to myself as as the Patriots. Yeah, why hold up? Why? Why? Well?

661
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Speaker 4: One, the Minnesota Vikings have far more Draft Capitol Hill here,

662
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: and my old co host Josh McCown was the high

663
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: school quarterbacks coach of Drake May. Their entire offseason has

664
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: been built towards trading for a quarterback in the NFL Draft,

665
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: already making a move to have two first round selections.

666
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Speaker 4: So you're gonna go here to the Giants.

667
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: That have just six.

668
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 4: If you on a second rounder and a third rounder.

669
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: Well, once you see the offer, you know they they

670
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: are trying their best to make it as enticing as possible.

671
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: But if you want to throw into Vikings trade proposal,

672
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules are here. You know

673
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: they're outside the top.

674
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: Okay, here pick eleven, pick twenty three and a twenty

675
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: twenty five first rounder.

676
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Speaker 1: There is no way the Giants.

677
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: Hello, that is first, okay, and that is a great position.

678
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: You know. I think this is the Patriots dream because

679
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just would guess that they'd

680
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: rather draft Drake Made than Jaden Daniels and then to

681
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: be in this score, right, what do you say?

682
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Like, what what's your read here?

683
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: Is it?

684
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 4: Because either they take one of the top three quarterbacks

685
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: or they try to build and go with chakuber set

686
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: for a year?

687
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, you know. I think this is the

688
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: best scenario because I think this is where they would

689
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: get the most trade offers. I don't I don't necessarily

690
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: believe all the smoke on May Daniels. I think more

691
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: teams would still be interested in May and certainly the

692
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: falloff is large. The Giants are going to offer. Obviously,

693
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: you know the number six pick. You only have to

694
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: move back three spots. You're still extremely high. You're going

695
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: to get one of those wide receivers if you're the

696
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Patriots at that six spot. If you want him, you

697
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: got your second round pick this year that they picked

698
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: up for Lenny Williams. You got your first round pick

699
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: next year. And then they're also going to throw into

700
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: the trade in agreement that they will release a statement

701
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: as a team that acknowledges luck was a significant contributing

702
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: factor into the helmet catch and winning that Super Bowl,

703
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: just admitting that, hey, sports, luck matters. Luck was a

704
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: significant contributing factor. They also, as part of that statement,

705
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: will say that while they believe Eli Manning is a

706
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, they recognize that Philip Rivers has had

707
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: more seasons where he was universally recognized as a top

708
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: five type of quarterback, maybe six to seven of those

709
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: seasons versus one or two for Eli. And so they

710
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: recognize that Philip Rivers should go in first. But they

711
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: still do support Eli. So that is part of the

712
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: trade out. A lot of greg based desire. I don't

713
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about, but I do think.

714
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: That all those admissions might be more valuable than that third.

715
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Speaker 2: First round pick from the Vikings.

716
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Josh, where is Dan when you need him? Guys? Where

717
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: is Dan where you need him?

718
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: This is why? Uh, it's it's fun. Sometimes you got

719
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: to throw in what you like. And you know what,

720
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: they got all those offers and let's let's go to

721
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: Eric here.

722
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Speaker 5: With the third pick of the twenty twenty four around

723
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Speaker 5: the NFL mock Draft.

724
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Speaker 2: I think it's the Giants now, is that what we're

725
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: just said? No, the New England Patriots are saying no

726
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: to everything, but they're going to humiliate the Giants by

727
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: leaking that they offered this in the first place, so

728
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: they get the win there. They've been recording the conversations. Actually,

729
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: they're bringing it back to Spygate. They're saying no to

730
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: the Vikings. They don't care, they need to. They want

731
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Drake May. They were hoping Drake May would fall and

732
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: they're just taking Drake May. That's who. That is a

733
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: lot of a dramatic build up to that decision. Well done.

734
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: I mean you got to you got to get the offers,

735
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 2: you got to see what's happening. But as a Patriots fan,

736
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: and I think if you're a Patriots team, this is

737
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: the most perfect thing that could happen to them. They

738
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: were in what a lot of people thought was a

739
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 2: two elite quarterback draft. They fell to three with that

740
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: late weird win against the Broncos. But May falls to them,

741
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: and he, to me, is everything they could want in

742
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: a quarterback. And all those picks are great, but it

743
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: they could go ten years without having a chance to

744
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: find a quarterback like this.

745
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: Did you think that you were gonna have to make

746
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: this decision around Jade and Daniels?

747
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: If yes, And if the offers had come in for

748
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels, I think the Patriots would have been

749
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: much more open to making that trade. And I as

750
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: a fan, am torn because I've always wanted like a

751
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: fun running quarterback as a Patriots fan. And so if

752
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: they take me, if they right, Drake Me is that

753
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: guy too. But I'm saying Daniels also is that guy,

754
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: and so he's a guy that if they end up

755
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: taking him at three, I'm not gonna disappointed. I'll be excited,

756
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: but I would understand to trade down more if it's

757
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: May on the board. I think, don't get too cute.

758
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: Just take me. That's my own personal opinion of what

759
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: they should do.

760
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: It's only April second. I would not be shocked if,

761
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: like JJ McCarthy's name gets mentioned in this they are

762
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: three instead of TI.

763
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Speaker 2: I think so now it doesn't not feel like a

764
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: Patriots bucky. Our colleague here had him, I believe, in

765
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: the top three and had May falling like out of

766
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: the top ten recently or something crazy.

767
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: Drake May is a fascinating player because his first season

768
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: as a starter, his second one at UNC because he

769
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: sat behind Sam Howe's first year was incredible, and then

770
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: he loses Josh Downs, he loses you know, his offensive

771
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: play caller. I thought the environment was really pediphil this year,

772
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: and it's really highlighted in some situational numbers. I mean,

773
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: he had seventy six snaps this season just dropbacks in

774
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: third and seven plus situations. By comparison, Jayden Daniels only

775
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: had thirty nine of those. Kayleb Williams. JJ McCarthy had

776
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: fifty eight of those, and he actually had thirty six

777
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: occasions of third and eleven plus situation, So that means

778
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 4: his team lost yards on first and second down and

779
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: needed to try to carry them out in those third

780
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 4: down And look, it is on my radar, Greg that

781
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 4: all these former NFL quarterbacks that know way more about

782
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: football than I ever will and Chris Sims, Jgo Sullivan,

783
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: Kurt Warner, whoever you want to talk about, are down

784
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: on Drake May like they are legit nervous about him

785
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: missing layups, about mechanics and all this type of stuff.

786
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: But I go back to what you mentioned earlier where

787
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: we written like we didn't even see Jade Daniels have

788
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 4: like twenty five thirty touchdowns until his fifty year of

789
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 4: playing college football. You can say the same thing about Boonix.

790
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 4: You can say the same thing basically about Michael Pennox. Right,

791
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: Drake May's first and second years were just as productive

792
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 4: as those two. So just imagine if he had two

793
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: or three more years of college football, if he was

794
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: able to iron out some of those mechanics issues or

795
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 4: understanding coverages and seeing blitz packages, so and so forth.

796
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: So like to me this on those eighteen year olds

797
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: when he was twenty four, it'd be like the guy

798
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: at the YMCA playing against kids.

799
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: And that's what makes this year of quarterback analysis. I

800
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: think so interesting is because you literally have guys who

801
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 4: played for five years versus comparing them to played for

802
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 4: one or two years at a position that is obviously

803
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: the most important influe.

804
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: You'd have Jacoby Brissette, which is about as good of

805
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: a backup or fringe starter as you'd want in that situation. Like,

806
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: do you see Drake May as like a weak one

807
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: out there on the field or do you need to

808
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: work with him a little bit and maybe slow cook

809
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 3: him as a rookie.

810
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: I think he can play immediately. Look, I think no

811
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: matter what you're gonna when you're gonna play him, you're

812
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 4: gonna have to kind of live and die by these

813
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: looky plays at times. But again, he might ruin a

814
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: drive here or there. But at the same time he's

815
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 4: going to make some crazy, insane plays that few other

816
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: quarterbacks can't. He loses his brain a few times, but

817
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: sometimes in the best way possible and sometimes in the

818
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: worst way possible.

819
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: Right. I think there's a lot of similarities between him

820
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: and Caleb Williams, and I think it was a good

821
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: debate between the two of them for much of the season.

822
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: But you see May and you just see the size

823
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: and the right to me's he's not Josh Allen because

824
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: as a prospect, they're very different. But seeing him in

825
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: such a difficult situation that Drake may had to overcome,

826
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: you can project that forward to a situation like the

827
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: Commanders will be in, like the Patriots will be in,

828
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: and I think he excelled at those and you do

829
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: see him doing some next level and quarterback protection changes

830
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: and going through his like doing all the quarterback he

831
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: stuff that gets you excited, and just crazy, crazy athleticism

832
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 2: as a thrower, as a runner, just like everything that

833
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: I think you would want as a college prospect. And

834
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: to me, if he was in last year's draft, there

835
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: was like a good chance he'd go over Bryce Young

836
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: and CJ. Stroud And yet now he's in this class

837
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: and he might go third. But I kind of don't

838
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: buy everything that's been coming out. I think it's just

839
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 2: I think it's just chatter. I think it's just talk.

840
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: I think the majority of teams, you know, it's different flavors,

841
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: but the majority of teams would would have him a

842
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: strong number two.

843
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 4: Two quick things. I would put him after the Bryce

844
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: Stroud Richardson group and then number two on Twitter. Actually,

845
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: I was able to sit down with Colt McCoy and

846
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: Drake May and go through one of his full games

847
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: during Super Bowl Week, And that video is out there

848
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: on Twitter if people want to watch it. It's him

849
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 4: breaking down his own tape. It was against Syracuse and yeah,

850
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: those protection plans, blitz packages, fading away.

851
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: From pressure, looks, all of it.

852
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: He was able to outline and diagnose it all and

853
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 4: kind of talk us through it. So it was really

854
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 4: enlightening experience. And so I'm obviously a bit biased because

855
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 4: I certainly was not able to do that with Kayleb

856
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 4: Williams or Jane Daniels or whoever else.

857
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: I named my son after Colt McCoy, So I'm quite

858
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: jealous that you have had this sit down with one

859
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: of my favorite n all show of them.

860
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: We get one day, Mark, maybe we can, you know,

861
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: exchange numbers here and you and Colt McCoy could just

862
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 4: have your own episode of the show, just the two

863
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: of you.

864
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: Oh I would, I would this show. We're not going

865
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: to try to help you out, yes, like to have

866
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: Colt McCoy. All right, well, we'll move on and we

867
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: will pick up the speed for the next seven picks.

868
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: But look, the top three is exciting, and I still

869
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: just go back to what Drake Maye did as a freshman.

870
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: Technically had played, you know, but as a red shirt

871
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: freshman is outrageous. Uh in the acc having the season

872
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: that he had, and so if you put that sort

873
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: of tape out there, that is possible. Uh, And I

874
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: would be very excited if he was a new Land Patriot.

875
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: We're gonna take quick break. We'll come back with pick

876
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: number four. All right, Josh H. Norris, we are back

877
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: from the break. You have the fourth overall pick, and

878
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: unless any trades are coming, I think you're ready to go.

879
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not just that the phones are humming

880
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: at Arizona Cardinals headquarters. Monte asen Fort is also on

881
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: the phone. The man loves to make a trade, as

882
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: we saw last year where he traded back in the

883
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: draft from what pick number three, then back again forward

884
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: to go and get Paris Johnson junior. The Minnesota Vikings,

885
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: as I outlined, this is the team that their entire

886
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: offseason has been built towards drafting a quarterback. They have

887
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 4: picks eleven and pick twenty three. We can throw in

888
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: a first rounder as well on top of that next year.

889
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: And I mean, I think the Arizona Cardinals, it's very

890
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: clear they have their quarterback and they need to bulk

891
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: up and build up in a whole bunch of other places,

892
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 4: and so a deal is going to get done.

893
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: Wow Wow.

894
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I also don't consider that surprising at all

895
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: because the Vikings are a completely positioned to do it.

896
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Let's hear what they do. We have a trade. We

897
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: just heard it.

898
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 5: Arizona Cardinals are trading the fourth pick to the Minnesota

899
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 5: Vikings and selecting No, we heard all that, but yeah,

900
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 5: but doesn't he rehash it?

901
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: You know, just seven? Come on, man, I'm playing.

902
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 4: With selecting Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy. This is, though, contingent

903
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 4: that I believe Mark is up next, that Montia support

904
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: can then get on the phone with Mark Sessler and

905
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: work on a deal with potential game.

906
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: We'll deal with that. We'll see how that goes. Yeah,

907
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: that may or may not happen.

908
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 4: But JJ McCarthy, as we've talked about situations, there wasn't

909
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: a better one in all of college football last year.

910
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 4: And just to outline some of those numbers, he only

911
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: had ninety one attempts in the fourth quarter. Last year

912
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: only thirty eight attempts in the entire second half. But

913
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: this offense was really built on being super productive on

914
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: first and second down running the football and then when

915
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: they need and if you go and watch his like

916
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: third and five plus plays when it was pure obvious

917
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: throwing situations, I thought JJ McCarthy maybe had the best

918
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: look of any quarterback in this draft class. And you

919
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: talk about deep play action under center, where all of

920
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 4: these Shanahan McVeigh coaching tree and flight callers are coming from.

921
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: Obviously Kevin O'Connell loves to do that. JJ McCarthy was

922
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: really really good in those scenarios. So in some ways

923
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: it's a plug and play approach. Or if you want

924
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: to sit and learn understand Darno for a little bit,

925
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: you've got that one too.

926
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: I love the landing spot, and I think the only

927
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: thing that I kind of suspect is that over the

928
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: next you know, three plus weeks, that JJ McCarthy might

929
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: go up a spot. I really think he could be

930
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: picked before some of these other guys.

931
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: I really do.

932
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: I also think there's there's the Jim harbod like has

933
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: hyped him up and everything, But It's like, I really

934
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: like believe that this is like what the Vikings are

935
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 3: gonna heat seeking a quarterback. I don't know if they'd

936
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: have a problem getting here at number four versus maybe

937
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: even higher up with the Patriots, but this is a

938
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: perfect landing spot for JJ McCarthy.

939
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: Just love that all these guys are so athletic. I mean,

940
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is like a freak athlete. And you know,

941
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: I look at you, Josh, and I think Panthers Panthers fan,

942
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: and I think when Cam Newton comes into the league,

943
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: it's like, none of these guys are Cam Newton. To

944
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: be clear, he was a unicorn, but it was like

945
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: one guy like that with a great athleticism would come in,

946
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: you know, every few right, it changed the league, like

947
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: and it would be every five years or something at

948
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: most someone like that. And none of them are quite Cam.

949
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: Yet they're all like it better than they're better than

950
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: like the second or third in terms of athleticism then

951
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: the like the second or third most athletic quarterback from

952
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, literally all of them. And McCarthy is

953
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: one of those guys too, So it'd be fun to

954
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: see him in a McConnell offense. All right, now are

955
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: in O'Connell offense. You have the fifth pick here, Mark,

956
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: and apparently you're going to get a trade proposal. We've

957
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: heard some buzz from from the garden.

958
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 4: I mean, Mark, yes, if Monte Austen for it, gives

959
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 4: that cell phone a call. This team, before this trade

960
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 4: already had the twenty seventh pick in the first round,

961
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 4: the third pick of the second round, the second pick

962
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 4: of the third round, the seventh pick of the third round,

963
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: the twenty sixth pick of the third round. The Cardinals

964
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: are loaded, right, so why not allow them to move

965
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 4: back up here from Marvin Harrison Junior and get and

966
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 4: get Kyler Murray an alpha wide receiver.

967
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: I have one. It's an attractive attempt.

968
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: It's an attractive logical offer, and I think that the

969
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: Chargers all along, especially if one of those quarterbacks slipped

970
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: beyond number four, which I don't think will happen. They

971
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 3: are a very prime target location and I could see

972
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: them being tempted by it. But I also look at

973
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: a team that right now is trying to float to

974
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: their fan base and to other teams that Josh Palmer

975
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: and a wait and see Quentin Johnson.

976
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: Are your lead wideouts. I don't like that at all.

977
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 3: I don't think they went into the offseason planning to

978
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: move on from Mike Willilliams and then have the Keenan

979
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: Allen thing happened the way that it did.

980
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just can't be where you're going into

981
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: this year.

982
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: And we know there's other wideouts and stuff, but under

983
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: I like the same way with the Patriots.

984
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: Let's hear what they do.

985
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 5: With the fifth pick for the twenty twenty four around

986
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 5: the NFL Mock Draft, the Los Angeles Chargers select.

987
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. Who I mean, who has better eyes

988
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: on what this player is than Michigan's Jim Harbaugh, Like

989
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: he absolutely understands what he is. I mean, there are

990
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: he's quoted out there as glowing over Marvin Harrison. I

991
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: think there's this idea that they're not gonna take a

992
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: wide out, They're gonna move on, They're gonna do something else.

993
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: It's like, why do you not take first of all

994
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: NFL bloodlines? It just starts and ends with me on that,

995
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: and it's the perfect Justin Herbert tandem piece right there.

996
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just feels like it's foolish to

997
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: overthink this one with this particular player.

998
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: I think, depending on the offer, if they would be ten,

999
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: did to move down, you know, to a team like

1000
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: the Cardinals at eleven, still getting a good pick in

1001
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: this draft, just because it's their first year there, and

1002
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: it's like, can we, like the Cardinals are trying to do,

1003
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: can we get a bunch of our guys to reset

1004
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: our program? But Harrison is a seems as a safe

1005
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: and exciting and explosive a prospect as you know you

1006
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: could possibly want at wide receiver. I just love like

1007
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: the ball skills, and people have just almost gotten bored

1008
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: looking for like little negatives and it's tough. I don't

1009
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: think he plays like Clarry Fitzgerald, but he reminds me

1010
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: of Fitzgerald just in the way that everything well, just

1011
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: that he's the most bulletproof prospect since Fitzgerald. And I

1012
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: don't think it's just hindsight that now we look back

1013
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: and say, well, yeah, that Fitzgerald take was right. It

1014
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 2: was like there's only been a few of those guys.

1015
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: Joe Thomas was one, Fitzgerald is another that like going

1016
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: into everyone everyone and decided like Hall of Fame is

1017
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: sort of the over under for this guy. And I

1018
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: feel like Marvin Harrison is that guy too, And for

1019
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: him to be there at five that stuff to pen

1020
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: i'ld bee like disappointing if he isn't a Hall of

1021
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: Famer or like talking about that's like unfair even to say.

1022
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, pro Boiler, I mean that sort of guy

1023
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: where it's just it's almost campus.

1024
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a prototypical X Y receiver. And remember like

1025
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: when Chip Kelly and I this is Hardball's, you know,

1026
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 4: second term in the NFL. Remember when Chip Kelly came

1027
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 4: into the league and he basically drafted or signed any

1028
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: player that crushed the Oregon Ducks. Right, Obviously, Marvin Harrison

1029
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: Junior putting five catches for one hundred and eighteen yards

1030
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 4: in a touchdown just on this team last year, and

1031
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: that was without C. J.

1032
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: Stroud.

1033
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: I will say, I think the big dilemma here with

1034
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: the Chargers, and I agree with you Mark where I

1035
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: think people are taking the Hey, we got rid of

1036
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, and that means we're just

1037
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: not going to use Justin Herbert. We're not going to

1038
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: throw the football they're taking that way too far. I

1039
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 4: think more so it's hey, we want to get younger

1040
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: and faster at the position and healthier. And the defensive

1041
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: players are the ones that were willing to rework their deal,

1042
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: and the wide receivers were not. But I think the

1043
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 4: big delima here with the Chargers is, hey, do we

1044
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 4: find our do we trade down and find our right

1045
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 4: tackle or do we take one of these alpha wide receivers?

1046
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: And it can go either direction. I like this move.

1047
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: I did too.

1048
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 6: The Giants are next up number six, off for stands.

1049
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 6: What offer from the Arizona Cardinals pick eleven? Okay, and

1050
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 6: pick twenty seven for pick six?

1051
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: That's intriguing. I mean the Giants obviously are open to

1052
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: moving up and down the board. They were just you know,

1053
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: embarrassed by the Patriots organization.

1054
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: You look at what the Giants you know, have at

1055
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: wide receiver, and again, I think it matches up pretty

1056
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: well with what they need. And I've seen people of

1057
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: decide it's like, okay, they could be trading up for

1058
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: a quarterback, you know, would they want to go tackle?

1059
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: They just sign you know, Jermaine, but he could play guard,

1060
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 2: Like you're not giving him too much money or anything

1061
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 2: like that. And I'm like, hello, their number one receiver

1062
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: is still Jalen Hyatt or Wandel Robinson's like, you've got

1063
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of like fun pieces there that's been their

1064
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: receiver group for a while, Slate, and you've never had

1065
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: even anyone close to a guy, and you got a

1066
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: couple of guys on the board. And yet I actually

1067
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: think it'd be smart to take that trade. This is

1068
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: a team that needs so many things that I'm gonna

1069
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: do it with you, Josh, I'm gonna take those picks.

1070
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 5: The Arizona Cardinals are trading back up to the number

1071
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 5: six spot and selecting.

1072
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: Well, now you're the Cardinals. I don't even know we're

1073
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: taking my league neighbors. Yeah, I thought you were the Cardinals.

1074
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 2: Now in this scenario, it sort of breaks my brain

1075
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: that we're trading from outside the top ten. We're only

1076
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: going to top ten. Doesn't matter. Uh Man, talk to

1077
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: me you, I know you like to do the wide

1078
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: receiver breakdowns. Just what was watching the Neighbors tape? Like?

1079
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: For you?

1080
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 4: What if I told you this is like jetpack braindon nyuk?

1081
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 4: Would that be that'd be interesting for a wide receiver prospect.

1082
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 4: I will say his length isn't as great, so like

1083
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 4: contest situation is not as good. But if we're talking

1084
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 4: about a guy who can already run routes, who already

1085
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 4: anytime he has the ball in his hands can turn

1086
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 4: it into an explosive, game changing play, who's I think

1087
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 4: twenty or almost twenty one years old, like Molik Neighbors

1088
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 4: is something special. He forced the fourth most mistackles this season,

1089
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 4: and he was the only one of that top four

1090
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 4: who had an a dot beyond eight yards down the field.

1091
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: In fact, his average up the target was twelve yards

1092
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: down the field. Despite all those force miss tackles, he

1093
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 4: only had fourteen spring catches, so it's not like these

1094
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 4: were easy targets. They were intermediate, they were down the field.

1095
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys have heard the whispers that some

1096
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 4: teams have him as the wide receiver one. I will

1097
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 4: say I prefer Marvin Harrison Junior. But they basically had

1098
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: the same amount of explosive places fifteen plusure gains.

1099
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: Over the last two years.

1100
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 4: And it's really easy and enticing to fall in love

1101
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 4: with the guy who catches a slant like Odell Beckham

1102
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: and then runs it for five yards for a touchdown,

1103
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 4: you know.

1104
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 3: And he led the what he led college football last

1105
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 3: year in the twenty plus yard catches to your point,

1106
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: breaking tackles, you know, at depth of field there And

1107
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: just like the team before them, they absolutely need a

1108
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 3: wide receiver Arizona, Like you can't go into this season

1109
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: with what they have. And so I think it's a

1110
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: sensible trade up for a star type player, right, and.

1111
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: He'd be the wide receiver one in many years, even

1112
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: some strong years. It is. It is fine. I do

1113
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: wonder like how much does did Joe Burrow experience help

1114
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels that, Like there was this feeling it's like, man,

1115
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: he's throwing a Jason justin Jefferson.

1116
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 5: Is he he?

1117
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: Is he really that good? And then it turned out yeah,

1118
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: actually everyone can be good. That that's totally possible. And

1119
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: so and now you look at LSU now and and

1120
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: Neighbors and their receivers and you're like, Jane or because

1121
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: because the catches some of the catches Neighbors makes or

1122
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 2: are just outrageous, and you give Daniel's credit for getting

1123
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: the ball there on time, but Neighbors feels to me

1124
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: like a safer prospect. I guess I would put it,

1125
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: and that makes sense. Receivers are generally safer at this

1126
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: part of the draft in quarterbacks, but he's another one

1127
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 2: that it really feels like, can't miss. Uh. Let's go

1128
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: to the the seventh pick the Tennessee Titans, which I

1129
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: think is, you know, one of the picks that now

1130
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: we're getting into the portion of the draft where it

1131
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: it's a lot more of a mystery, the Tennessee Titans.

1132
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: Let's go.

1133
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 5: The Tennessee Titans select with the seventh overall pick of

1134
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty four round the NFL Mock Draft.

1135
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: Their Dame left tackle Joe alt Uh.

1136
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 4: This is an intriguing situation because Roma Dunes is still

1137
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 4: on the board and I felt like prior to for Agency,

1138
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 4: this was basically the recreation of the Cincinnati Bengals meme

1139
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 4: that we had. This is Joe Burrow with Piney Seoul

1140
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 4: throwing to anyone down the field, or this is Joe

1141
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: Burrow throwing to Jamar Chase while being blocked by no

1142
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 4: one and getting sacked if you remember that meme. I

1143
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 4: feel like I'm seeing stars and so this is just

1144
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 4: a section of Twitter that I occupy.

1145
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: And Mark does not.

1146
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 4: Anyways, Brian Callahan was obviously on that Cincinnati Bengals staff,

1147
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: and at that time they chose the playmaker. They chose

1148
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 4: the wide receiver instead of the offensive lineman. However, the

1149
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 4: Calvin Ridthy deals certainly puts me in the scenario in

1150
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 4: the path of Hey, we added Lloyd Cushion Bari at center.

1151
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 4: Pieter Skronsky played really well left gar last year. We

1152
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 4: literally do not have a left tackle on this roster,

1153
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 4: and so Joe Walt, who might have some Nate Solder

1154
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 4: like comparison, steps in here as our left tack.

1155
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: I love it.

1156
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean, we had Grave Digger, our former producer, on

1157
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: and he last week and he predicted the same that

1158
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: this was the perfect fit for them. And you can

1159
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 3: see certain Titans fans of a certain ilk not thinking

1160
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: it's kind of a sexy enough pick when you could

1161
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: have gotten one of these wide receivers. But their quarterbacks

1162
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: were shattered behind that offensive line in years past since

1163
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: like as many issues as they had it wide out,

1164
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: the same was true of their line, and this seems

1165
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: like an incredibly reliable player. Their best off offseason move

1166
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: was getting Bill Callahan, and so you get Bill Callahan

1167
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: the tools to succeed, and I think he can make

1168
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 3: the rest of the offensive line like sixty percent better

1169
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: than it's.

1170
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 2: Been, right because All is very, very athletic and would

1171
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: fit well in that system. I think really improved in

1172
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: his last season at Notre Dame. It does, you know,

1173
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: part of me if I'm a Titans fan, It's like

1174
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: it's a tricky spot because is there that huge of

1175
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: a gap between All and a really great tackle class

1176
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: that's behind them? Maybe not as much as you you

1177
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: would want, But will a tackle be there in the

1178
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: second round when they pick again that they want. No,

1179
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: probably not, because like all these guys are gonna come

1180
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: off the board, So they're just in like a a

1181
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: weird spot where I'd personally be tempted to take a

1182
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: doomsday But it totally would make sense if if they

1183
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: take Joe All before we wrap up the end of

1184
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: this draft, we're gonna take one final break be back

1185
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: right after this. All right, we are back and the

1186
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons are up next. I don't think anyone's traded

1187
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: into this spot at this point.

1188
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: Or.

1189
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: Are we can we can find out.

1190
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 5: With the eighth overall pick of the twenty twenty four,

1191
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 5: around the NFL mock Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select.

1192
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner edge out of Alabama.

1193
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean they've had their offensive is set

1194
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 3: to go, and like they obviously they've over the past

1195
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: couple of years added so much weaponry and it's a

1196
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: good setup for Kirk Cousins. Their defense needs help all

1197
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: over the place. I almost went Terry on Arnold here,

1198
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: just because I think, like, if you're this new coaching staff,

1199
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: like you do need to build some find some foundational

1200
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: pieces on defense. They have had that Jonathan abramccurse, where

1201
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: like they've not really been able to rush the passer

1202
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: for like four thousand eons. Uh, Dallas Turner is the

1203
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: clear front position player at the edge. There's it's like

1204
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: it's not the greatest class for that. I think it's

1205
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: an absolute need filler. It gives you something to build around.

1206
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: And this is the guy i'd pick.

1207
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't.

1208
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: I think I see he's also being mocked to them

1209
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: in like every single mock draft, and it's like, if

1210
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: you can get the best edge rusher at number eight,

1211
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 3: that's that's in other years that would never even be possible.

1212
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: It is do you are you actually surprised, Josh, there's

1213
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: not more excitement Oh not that there's not more excitement

1214
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: over Dallas Turner if he ends up being the first

1215
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: defensive player, But to me, he would seem like a

1216
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: guy his profile, his production, his lineage certainly is his

1217
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: numbers as a guy that actually would be talked about,

1218
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: is like could could he get taken higher in this

1219
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: in this draft?

1220
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: You know, it reminds me just from a big picture

1221
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 4: draft perspect of when we had you know, Trevor Lawrence,

1222
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 4: Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, mac Jones, justin fields where there's

1223
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 4: like so much conversation about the quarterbacks and also that

1224
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 4: ears like DeVante Smith's, Jalen Wattle and a bunch of

1225
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 4: wide receivers where also in that draft it was what Patrick'surtan,

1226
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 4: it was Michael Parsons.

1227
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 2: Parsons, you know, falling out of the top ten.

1228
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: Right.

1229
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 4: So to the point of am I surprise that there's

1230
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 4: not more buzz or more noise about it? I just

1231
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 4: think like the quarterback and wide receiver conversations are just

1232
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 4: dominating the entire conversation here. I'm just happy that Grady

1233
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 4: Jarret gets a little bit of help, because it's felt

1234
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 4: like he has carried this defense for like a decade

1235
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 4: at this point. Yeah, and it's had like a single

1236
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 4: other person to rush the passer in that time.

1237
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: And they haven't had any additions on defense really in

1238
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: the off season either. To me, I don't know if

1239
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: that's tipping their hand a little bit or just surprising

1240
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: to me that Raheem Morris wouldn't go in there. But

1241
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I would need to really

1242
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 2: break it down more. But I've watched some Dallas Turner

1243
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: and to me, it's exciting, Like I don't see why

1244
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: he's like that much of a work, like a different

1245
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: prospect than Will Anderson, who was a guy who ended

1246
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 2: up getting traded up for in the top three. To me,

1247
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: it seems like they're they're similar, and that makes me

1248
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: very happy, as you know, standing in for Ryan Poles,

1249
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: because I had a couple offers ready as Ryan Poles,

1250
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: and I know Bears fans don't think they're going to

1251
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: do this to possibly trade up, but the way this

1252
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: draft fell with JJ McCarthy going fourth and and Dounza

1253
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: is still sitting there at seven, I didn't think it

1254
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: was necessary to trade.

1255
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 5: Up with the ninth overall pick of the twenty twenty

1256
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 5: four Around the NFL Mock Draft, the Chicago Bears select.

1257
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: Rome A Dunza. I love it wide receiver, and I

1258
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: don't think it's crazy for the Bears to think about

1259
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: trading up for a Donza or if it neighbors winds

1260
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: up being wide receiver three, which no one expects at

1261
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: this point, just two or three spots to complete that offense.

1262
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of talk of well, if they

1263
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: get to this point of the draft, do they take

1264
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: the hot, highest edge rusher or the highest tackle. And

1265
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like man, there are three great wide receivers

1266
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: in this class, and getting Keenan Allen does not mean

1267
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: you do not need a wide receiver. He's on a

1268
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: one year contract and he's thirty two. That may work out.

1269
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: It will work out if he stays on the field.

1270
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm confident in stay in saying that. But he's getting older,

1271
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: like he had a great year last year. But it

1272
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: might work out best for the Bears that he just

1273
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: has one great season for them and then they move

1274
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: on and they potentially get a compick depending on what happens.

1275
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: Like man, this would be huge to add a guy

1276
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: that you know can play outside, and you can have

1277
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen and DJ Morrik on a flip flop playing inside.

1278
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: But Alan, to me would be at his best, especially

1279
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: now at this point, it is great he is at

1280
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: his best in the slot.

1281
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 3: And you'd have to say that, like Ryan Poles on

1282
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 3: paper would have looked Gene so over the last two

1283
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: off seasons to do what he's done, you put your

1284
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback, and the Bears have not really found that

1285
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. And for as long as we've been following

1286
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: the sport, they've been allergic to that. And one of

1287
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 3: the biggest stories in the league is what's happened to

1288
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: the NFC North over the past couple of seasons and

1289
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: how different the Lions are the Packers. Suddenly there's a

1290
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: ton of hoope around them and the Bears can't fall behind.

1291
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: This would put them into the forefront of that conversation

1292
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 3: with one of the best wide receiver groups on paper league.

1293
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Speaker 2: And I get they do have a pretty large need

1294
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: at edge and they're going to try to you know,

1295
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of picks in this draft

1296
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 2: right now. They're going to be a candidate to trade

1297
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: down even if a Dounza isn't there. So I think

1298
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: pace though, I think it's go time. It's it's year,

1299
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: you know four for him, and to me, that is

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01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: their biggest need. And I don't think it'd even be

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: crazy for them to trade like a twenty twenty five

1302
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: pick to move up to six or seven or eight

1303
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: if they feel like they have to to get a Dunza.

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01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: I don't think tackle makes sense. They have a good

1305
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 2: tackle in Braxton Jones. Like you if you it's like

1306
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: having a quarterback on a rookie contract, Like I know,

1307
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: Braxton Jones isn't like an elite quarterback, but it'd be

1308
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: like if Mac Jones turned into the best version of

1309
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: Mac Jones and was just like the twelfth best quarterback

1310
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: in the league, that rooky contract would have been great.

1311
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: And that's what they have in Braxton Jones. So don't

1312
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: get don't get cute. You don't need to take a

1313
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 2: left tackle there, especially if it's a deep crop. Forget

1314
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 2: about it. I'm preaching to the choir here.

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Speaker 4: And I think of a Duneesday isn't here, then it

1316
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 4: makes total sense two trade down because you only have

1317
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 4: picked seventy five and one twenty two after this after dealing,

1318
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 4: and I love this. At points I find myself thinking

1319
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 4: that teams should trade more middle or late round picks

1320
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 4: for veterans that they're interested in. And the Bears and

1321
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 4: Ryan Poles have done this. You know, they made the

1322
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 4: King Allen trade. Obviously, Montes what the deadline?

1323
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: Even?

1324
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 4: I think Ryan Bates is gonna be a starting player

1325
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 4: for them this year. So yeah, they only have two

1326
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 4: other picks I think right now in the top five

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 4: rounds at the moment.

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Speaker 2: But their d line is pretty weak for a team

1329
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: that at.

1330
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 4: Build the defense slowly, right is by a defensive build

1331
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 4: the defense slowly?

1332
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've looked. They've invested a lot of picks

1333
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: in the secondary and a lot of money into linebackers.

1334
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: And then Montes sweat is there, so they've they certainly

1335
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: haven't left the cover drive for efos all right. The

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01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: final pick here in our top ten mock draft goes

1337
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: to Josh Norris.

1338
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Speaker 5: With the tenth pick of the twenty twenty four around

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Speaker 5: the NFL mock Draft, the New York Jets select Hello,

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Speaker 5: oh there's.

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01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: A little bit off.

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Oh oh, look who we have here.

1343
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 2: Oh wow, a little bit hands this action, a little

1344
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: bit of a production value for our YouTube listeners. He

1345
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: showed up Dan Hansis, who amazingly doesn't actually have in

1346
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: his phone, but he just showed a picture of Dan

1347
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: that he could find on the internet. So that's good.

1348
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 4: All right, It is over, Okay. I know so many

1349
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 4: people want to project Rock Bowers to this selection, but

1350
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 4: I am bring in an offensive lineman and Troy Faltano

1351
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 4: here because I firmly believe that keeping Aaron Rodgers off

1352
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 4: the Achilles injury after just five minutes of action this

1353
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 4: past season is priority number one. And they've done everything

1354
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 4: they could in some ways in off season with maybe

1355
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 4: limited resources, and signing Tyron Smith to what a one

1356
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 4: year contract, and making that deal for Morgan Moses. You know,

1357
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 4: Tyron Smith has missed a whole bunch of time despite

1358
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 4: being a future Hall of Famer. Morgan Moses, you know,

1359
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: mid thirties at this point, and we know that Troy

1360
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 4: Fatano can play either left guard or even left tackle

1361
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 4: on a pinch, or even be the sixth offensive lineman

1362
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 4: to start with. And I just think, like heavily investing

1363
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 4: in those resources after you've already added Mike Williams at

1364
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Is I think party number one in order

1365
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 4: for this team to be competitive and maybe most importantly

1366
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 4: for these guys, for Joe Douglas and Robert Sola to

1367
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 4: keep their jobs after the season.

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01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't get too cute here.

1369
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 3: And it's just because you know, Makai Beckton and others

1370
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: that the resources they attempted to added line didn't work.

1371
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 2: You can't just stop.

1372
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 3: You got to keep trying because like that, what no,

1373
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: no matter what happened to Rogers last year, and win

1374
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: it happened, it would have happened at some point because

1375
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: there was a shattered offensive line and everything broke down

1376
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 3: around it. And so yes, I love the pick. I

1377
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 3: would absolutely go tackle here in a good tackle class.

1378
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: I know I would. I would wonder if they would

1379
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: get they just love taking guys. The Reddick trade actually

1380
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 2: made me feel better that like they wouldn't take a

1381
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: lot too lot too like to me that it wouldn't

1382
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: be a crazy pick here. I'm a big fan of his,

1383
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 2: But now it makes a little less sense with who

1384
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: they have in the building and where they've used their picks.

1385
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 2: They took Jermae Johnson. They took Will McDonald. That makes sense.

1386
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: Before we let you go, Josh, we're just gonna do

1387
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: a little quick speed round of just like one pick

1388
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: you'd like to see it in a happen in the

1389
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: first round of the twenty twenty four draft. So we're

1390
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: not doing the special chimes, the amazing production value that

1391
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: happens even without Dan here, But just give us a

1392
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: pick you'd like to see in the first round before

1393
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 2: we go.

1394
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to break the rules and go with

1395
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 4: pick thirty three, Okay, Carolyn, a Panther that works selecting

1396
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 4: Save your Worthy why receiver out of Texas, And I

1397
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 4: understand he's five eleven, one hundred and sixty five pounds,

1398
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 4: and that's a bit of an exception when it comes

1399
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 4: to wide receivers. But when you actually go and watch

1400
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 4: this guy, he is more than speed. He actually tries

1401
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 4: to play through contact. He actually does try to make,

1402
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 4: you know, catches outside of his frame. And sure, because

1403
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 4: he is a bit frail, it's easier for corners to

1404
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 4: you know, disrupt the catch point or attack his hands.

1405
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 4: But man super productive for three seasons. This speed is

1406
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 4: something that the Panthers desperately need. In order for defenses

1407
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 4: to not sit about fifteen yards down the field and

1408
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 4: be able to drive on everything else. And while I

1409
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 4: thought just from his combines, ZA if You're Worthy was

1410
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 4: just like purely one of these forty yard dash wide

1411
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 4: receivers we've seen in the past, I think his game

1412
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 4: kind of transcends that a little bit. And he's really exciting.

1413
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 4: He has tank delish, to be honest.

1414
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: I love that. And yeah, they will see if Mingo

1415
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: works out. I liked Mingo come coming out and the

1416
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: pick has not worked, but it was only a rookie.

1417
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: And you know Josh is a Panther fan, that's true. Yeah,

1418
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: one of the only ones left him and David Ealy

1419
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 2: in our newsroom, and he was fighting the good fight.

1420
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 2: And I was trying to do it too, looking for

1421
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: the positives and trying.

1422
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: To remove the impossible situation.

1423
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: Bryce Young from the situation that he was in and

1424
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: see some things. And then Bryce started making it real

1425
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 2: hard on us the last five weeks of the season

1426
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: or so.

1427
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: But before that was fantastic.

1428
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 2: Before that, it wasn't quite as bad as as people thought.

1429
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, now we're resetting. You got Deontay Johnson.

1430
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 2: You definitely need a speed threat like Deontay Johnson. Was

1431
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 2: one of the best moves of the offseason, and yet

1432
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,799
Speaker 2: it does not make an entire wide receiver group. What's

1433
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: what's one for you? Mark?

1434
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 3: I am looking for like a team where I think

1435
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: this player just kind of could fall to and kind

1436
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: of fits. I know that he's twenty three years old,

1437
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of questions about Michael Pennix junior

1438
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 3: in terms of some of zaccuracy and stuff. But Michael

1439
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 3: Pennick Junior to the Las Vegas Raiders, I mean I

1440
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 3: I think that Lay along with the Broncos, are like

1441
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: not the Broncos overtly. I'm surprised we didn't have any

1442
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 3: sort of trade scenario with them to get a quarterback.

1443
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 3: The Raiders don't seem as keen on trading up for someone,

1444
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 3: but someone like this that falls to them and a

1445
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 3: little bit less pressure on the whole situation. I think

1446
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 3: he's an interesting player, and I think like him in

1447
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: a Raiders' uniform would be a fascinating watch.

1448
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: I had a theory with the Vikings trade into the

1449
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: first round that it was partly about their belief in

1450
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: all the quarter not maybe at all, but the depth

1451
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: that yes, it could be about JJ McCarthy, but maybe

1452
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: it's also that they're more comfortable than we think taking

1453
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 2: a guy like Pennix or Nicks, even with that second

1454
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: first round pick something like that, that they just thought

1455
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 2: the depth was enough that we're going to get someone

1456
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: we liked there. But if Pennix goes off the board

1457
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: of the Raiders, then they would not be able to

1458
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: take him.

1459
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: Greg. I think that's a great point when you consider.

1460
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 4: Other quarterback classes, like fifth or six quarterbacks you're talking about,

1461
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 4: like Jacob Eason or Kyle Trask, or like Matt Carral,

1462
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 4: like the Michael Pennix bo Nixes of the world, are

1463
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 4: so many tiers and levels above those guys that it

1464
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 4: really does put in perspective how good this quarterback class

1465
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 4: can be.

1466
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm gonna throw one pick out. I'm torn.

1467
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just do two because I'll cheat. This is

1468
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: what you can do. You've gotta go last. When you've

1469
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: got the uh, when you've got the uh power of

1470
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: this chair, it's just intoxic. I'm gonna give Cooper dejene

1471
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: to the to the Packers because I don't want to

1472
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: give him to the Chiefs because I feel like the

1473
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: Chiefs will take him and then suddenly he'll be a

1474
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: second team All Pro in like two years. It's like, wait,

1475
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: how did this guy fall? I know, he's not like

1476
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: he's a cornerback. He's clearly you know, has some versatility,

1477
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 2: but he's a cornerback. He's extremely athletic. And I'm getting

1478
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton vibes when I watch him and everything that happened,

1479
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: which is like, wait, are we overthinking it here? I

1480
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: know Hamilton only felt to pick fourteen, but you look

1481
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: at some of the players that went in front of him.

1482
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: They you know, Jordan Dave one in front of him,

1483
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: those two tackles that everyone thought were just can't miss,

1484
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: but they both ended up stinking. So far went in

1485
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: front of them. And Cooper Degene gives me those vibes

1486
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: maybe at a little bit of a lower level, that

1487
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: like he is going to be a different maybe at

1488
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 2: the best cornerback in this class. And I just look

1489
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 2: at teams that could use him later in the first round.

1490
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: Packers and Chiefs both come to mind. So I'm going

1491
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: to give them to the Packers, and I'm also gonna

1492
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: just you know, for the hell of it, give Lad

1493
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 2: McConkey to Lamar Jackson. Let's just get more guys that

1494
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 2: can get open.

1495
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: Can I throw in one more really quick?

1496
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: Sure? What does it matter if we make rules there?

1497
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: You know it's a podcast.

1498
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 4: A Rock Bowers to the Cincinnati Bengals would be fascinating.

1499
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 2: That'd be fine. The need that he was.

1500
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 4: Basically Georgia's slot wide receiver. He saw all their screens,

1501
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 4: he saw all their slot work that wasn't Laden mcconkee.

1502
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 4: He was more of the outside wide receiver. And obviously

1503
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 4: that team unless you want to put like Charlie Jones

1504
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 4: or Alec Erickson or whoever in there for the Bengals,

1505
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 4: they haven't really filled in for Tyler Boyd yet, and

1506
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 4: so going all in with that selection of Brock Bowers

1507
01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 4: this year would be really.

1508
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: Really if he's available, He's such a Bengals pick. They're

1509
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: they're very much take the name brand guy that's still

1510
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 2: on the board.

1511
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 3: They had like seventy height end catches last year and

1512
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 3: it was missing from their offense.

1513
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: So I love that. That would be fun. This would

1514
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: this was fun. Josh Everyone check out Josh at Underdog

1515
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: like I said, killing the game, killing the YouTube game.

1516
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 2: Any final words for.

1517
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 4: You, Josh, gentlemen, phone will be next to my ear

1518
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 4: anytime you need me.

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01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: I always love joining you guys. You guys are the best.

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: I don't think Dan takes another vacation for a while,

1522
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 2: but you know he does. You know, well, yeah, because

1523
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 2: your cold war is not ending apparently anything.

1524
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: We'll compare schedules, guys, We'll compare schedules.

1525
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 2: All right. Thank you to John yours. Thank you to

1526
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell slash Eric Roberts, buying the glass. Randy Chavez's

1527
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: been a pleasure. We can handle this week, Mark. We

1528
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: can do this without our leader.

1529
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 3: I think we can too, But I think when Dan returns,

1530
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to, you know, suggest that it was

1531
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 3: and unproductive in a step down.

1532
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: I am excited. Patrick Claiban is going to join us

1533
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: on Thursday. So yeah, we're doing two shows this week,

1534
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: just like last week, and then we are gonna start

1535
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: cranking back up with more shows next week. We'll be

1536
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: back to our three shows a week schedule until Thursday.

1537
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 3: Though.

1538
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: We gotta check out if there's any more Patrick Claiban

1539
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: song submissions for Josh for Eric, for Mark, go ahead,

1540
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: keep the call,