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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Thursday. We're packed, Dan Hurley,

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Speaker 1: Yukon coach, Dodger manager Dave Roberts, Carlos Boozer, whose son's

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Speaker 1: going to be a top three or four pick in

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Speaker 1: the NBA Draft. Sweet sixteen starts tomorrow. It's great to

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Speaker 1: be here on a Thursday, live in Chicago. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 1: So Yankees have been unbalanced for years and they didn't

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Speaker 1: really do anything in the off season. They added like

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Speaker 1: a number four start, and a lot of good teams

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Speaker 1: were upgrading, elevating, acquiring, and the Yankees didn't. And if

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Speaker 1: I would have told you last night, opening up on

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Speaker 1: the road, Aaron Judge struck out four times, only Yankee

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Speaker 1: not to reach base. Logan webb Is, pitching for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: led the National League in strikeous. You just said, uh, oh,

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Speaker 1: yet they rolled on the road nine singles. Eight different

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Speaker 1: Yankees got hits, all except Aaron Judge balance, they attacked

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Speaker 1: Logan web and no team is more home run dependent.

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Speaker 1: Yankees scored fifty percent of the runs on home runs

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Speaker 1: tops in baseball. They're unbalanced, nobody relies on the home

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Speaker 1: run and they're very aerin Judge reliant. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Phillies have Bryce Harper and the other stars, Dodgers have

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Speaker 1: Otani and other stars. They had Kyle Tucker, the Padres

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Speaker 1: have Machado and other stars. The Yankees are Aaron Judge reliant,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't do anything last night, and they're an

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Speaker 1: unbad allen Stafense. And then didn't it any home runs

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Speaker 1: last night. So this is I know it's one of

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Speaker 1: sixty two. Judge had a really bad opener, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: last night it was singles, it was good at bats.

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Speaker 1: It was the bottom of the lineup five through nine

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Speaker 1: hitters hit four twelve, So it was what they don't

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Speaker 1: normally do. They got a bad night from Aaron Judge

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Speaker 1: against a great pitcher, Logan Webs, an all star, a

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Speaker 1: roughed him up in the second inning. Max Fried was

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Speaker 1: home free and this is this is I know it's

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Speaker 1: one of sixty two, but this is not what the

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Speaker 1: Yankees do. They don't always get good at bats, right,

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Speaker 1: they don't. They don't move guys along. They're not great.

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Speaker 1: Old was situationally they got good starting pitching. But last

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Speaker 1: night they got great pitching. A lot of singles, different

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Speaker 1: guys bottom of the order. That was a nice win.

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Speaker 1: Balance is gonna win your trophies, not winning home run titles.

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Speaker 1: Here was Aaron Boone after.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Logan Web's one of the best, and to put

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Speaker 3: a lot of really good at bets. You know, I thought,

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Speaker 3: I thought we pressured them even in the first he

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Speaker 3: went one, two, three, but you know every bat was

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Speaker 3: tough and it was a battle, and I thought all night,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yesterday at the end of the show, Ty Simpson,

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Speaker 1: BAMMA quarterback, had a pro day and J Max said,

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Speaker 1: one GM is there Ryan Poles of the Bears, And

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Speaker 1: I suggested it's a smoke screen because if you really

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Speaker 1: like him, you don't want to go to the pro day. Well,

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Speaker 1: I had two execs text me after our show yesterday

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Speaker 1: and said, we got it right. Is that you can

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Speaker 1: get film from this without being there. Hey, the Rams

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Speaker 1: have crushed the draft. They don't even go to the combine.

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Speaker 1: So also, Ohio State had a pro day. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people want to see the buck Eyes. They've got

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Speaker 1: multiple first and second rounders. Also, the Jets are going

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Speaker 1: to do a private workout with Ty Simpson. But this

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Speaker 1: I think it was absolutely intentional. I do think he's

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Speaker 1: But every year there's seven teams that need a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And remember next year's draft, it's big game hunting. But

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Speaker 1: It means. It means if you want to get this kid,

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Speaker 1: the opposite. I think this ensures that Ty Simpson is

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Speaker 1: I do think he's a franchise quarterback. I do. But

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Speaker 1: teams aren't drafting good quarterback. Ryan Pole shows up. That

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Speaker 4: I'm tough, I'm resilient. I love football, and I want

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Speaker 4: to make other people beata. You know, when I come

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Speaker 4: I don't just make you know myself better and make

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Speaker 4: just coming in to look after myself when looking after

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Speaker 5: Than where I left it.

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Speaker 1: All right, he's his traits. He's not very big, he's

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Speaker 1: not hyper athletic, but I do think he's got a

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about the Steelers is they draft the quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the late first round, rolled the dice on Kenny

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Speaker 1: better than Kenny Pickett. I don't think he's talented. Is

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis who went in the picket draft. I think

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Speaker 1: Milik Willis is really really special, and I think Dolphin

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Speaker 1: fans and the rest of us will see that very quickly.

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Speaker 1: But Todd McShay was on yesterday. The great thing about

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Speaker 1: NFL things with his offense, so it's not a really

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Speaker 1: difficult evaluation. And as much as everybody says, well, quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: good ones come in the first round. Go look at history.

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Speaker 1: Most don't go look at Brady or Montana. Overwhelmingly, GM's

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Speaker 1: pro day nobody shows up. I think he's a first

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Speaker 6: It's transferable, it's NFL stuff. You know, Ryan Grub's there

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Speaker 6: and they're doing the pre snap motion deciphering what the

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Speaker 6: it's precise.

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Speaker 5: I know he has the mind.

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Speaker 6: I know he got a dad who's been a coach,

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Speaker 5: He grew up with a football in his hand.

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Speaker 6: He's been around ball and you see it in his play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So J Mac is the reason I put that

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Speaker 1: on the top of the show today because We talked

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Speaker 1: about it yesterday. It seems strange, and there were headlines today,

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Speaker 1: WHOA what is going on? Total smoke screen. You can

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Speaker 1: get video of it. GMS don't want you to know

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Speaker 1: they're interested, so they have maybe a little leverage if

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Speaker 1: they call Jason Light at fifteen to the Bucks and

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Speaker 1: want to move up. I think it's all gamesmanship, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's fine. I think, yeah, we see games

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Speaker 1: on the field, there's a lot of games being played

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Speaker 1: off the field, and I'm putting on the screen for

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Speaker 1: both the Jets and the Steelers are live to get him.

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Speaker 7: It's a fair take.

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Speaker 8: I like it.

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Speaker 7: I largely agree that, yeah, you can see the one

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Speaker 7: and throwing. It's more about like, if you're drafting a quarterback, Colin,

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Speaker 7: that's how you get fired as a GM. If you

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Speaker 7: whiff on the quarterback that you don't get fired if

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Speaker 7: you miss on a linebacker or an edge rusher, at

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Speaker 7: least not as likelihood of getting canned. You miss on

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Speaker 7: a quarterback, especially in the first round early, there's a

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Speaker 7: good chance in a couple of years you're gone.

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Douglas was pretty good for the Jets,

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Speaker 1: but he missed on Zach Wilson. I mean, he drafted

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Speaker 7: Yeah, as a result, you want as much information. I

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Speaker 7: want to be around Tye Simpson, see what he's like.

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Speaker 7: I personally believe and I know this isn't going to

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Speaker 7: be popular in NFL circles. We've seen other sports go

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Speaker 7: so heavy analytics. NFL is kind of the last one

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Speaker 7: bashed them, and you're you're kind of right. You know

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Speaker 7: that's it's home runs, its threes, it's layups. I believe

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Speaker 7: we're seeing a tanking going on in the NFL this season, Colin,

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Speaker 7: where we know next year's quarterback classes loaded, and we

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Speaker 7: do say this every year. Oh it's always gonna be no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: this is different, Colin. If Archs Banning were in this draft,

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Speaker 7: even though Arts wasn't great, his traits, the lineage, he

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Speaker 7: would go ahead of them. And those I think teams Jets, Dolphins, Cardinals,

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Speaker 7: I don't even think they're interested in the quarterback. I

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Speaker 7: think it's a race to the bottom for next year's quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you and I have discussed this that

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Speaker 1: the basketball and football cultures in America are divergent. They're

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Speaker 1: totally different, and the football culture is better their their

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Speaker 1: minor league system is better than you know, the NBA

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Speaker 1: G league system, although NBA is smartly now kind of

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Speaker 1: leaning into college basketball. But I would say this, I

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Speaker 1: said this two years ago. The last two years in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, I have said it reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the NBA. It's really unwatchable. By like Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: It used to be, there'd be two awful teams this year.

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Speaker 1: Miami could be tanking. I'm not going to use tanking Miami, Cleveland, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I think the Raiders will be interesting, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to put them there. But there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: and there's so many injuries that sometimes you know you

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Speaker 1: got to play who's healthy. Look at the Seattle model.

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Speaker 7: Colin Seattle built all the infrastructure, They rolled the dice

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Speaker 7: with Ginosmith, did not work. Then they went Sam Darnold

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Speaker 7: and the infrastructure was loaded. They like you say, the

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Speaker 7: best roster in the league, and they win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Why can't the Jets, Cardinals and Brown say, Hey, we're

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Speaker 7: not going to go for a quarterback. We're gonna load

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Speaker 7: Simpson in the first round. Why he's not that great.

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Speaker 7: Well, we're gonna start with a team that I think

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Speaker 7: the thunder and that's a Los Angeles Lakers. Colin, Yes,

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Speaker 7: The story is Luka doncic Colin. I'm gonna hit you

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Speaker 7: with some stats here, even if you're not buying the

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Speaker 7: It's eight times he scored over twenty points in a quarter.

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Speaker 7: That's the most in the NBA. Okay, he finished with

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Speaker 1: Who cares? Look what he did Michael Jordan. Colin some contexts,

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Speaker 7: Jalen Brown's also not a free throw merchant like SGA.

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Speaker 7: Come on, all right, let's move on to the next

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Speaker 10: having said that, you know, we also have to remember

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Speaker 10: that extent that one player is no longer eligible, some

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Speaker 10: other player will then be All NBA, yes, spot into

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Speaker 10: that spot. So I'm not ready to standing here saying

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Speaker 10: I don't think it's working. I think it is working.

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Speaker 1: I totally one agree. It's listen, you know, somebody's you

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Speaker 1: know that you knew this was going to happen. As

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver said, when you set this up, there was

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Speaker 1: going to be a really good player who just you know,

435
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Speaker 1: rips a knee up or whatever and can't play. But

436
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Speaker 1: then somebody else steps in and gets an opportunity. The NBA,

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Speaker 1: NBPA or National Basketball Players Association, guys, this was created

438
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Speaker 1: because of load management. Look in the mirror. It's effective.

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Speaker 1: I think it is working, and it's not perfect. That's why.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've changed the constitution before. Nothing's perfect. You

441
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Speaker 1: have to be amenable to change. This was not don't

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Speaker 1: go precious and idealistic. This was created for a reason.

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Speaker 1: The reason was legitimate. It is absolutely worked, and Kate

444
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Speaker 1: Cunningham is a great player. He doesn't need a piece

445
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Speaker 1: of paper or or a war to validate it. He's

446
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Speaker 1: a great player and every guy in the league knows it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think both things are true. It is working,

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Speaker 7: like you said, like Silver said, and also we could

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Speaker 7: feel bad that Kate cunning is getting.

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Speaker 1: Screwed by this rule, but more players are playing.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if there's like a happy medium where

452
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Speaker 7: you're able to say, you know what, we'll make an exception.

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Speaker 7: He played sixty one games and missed the last.

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Speaker 1: Three weeks two and no exceptions, no exceptions. Rules are rules?

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Speaker 1: No candy before dinner? Tell my kids rules or rules?

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Speaker 7: What if I got straight a's a's the mid term

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Speaker 7: finals and I have traight out four point Oh, I

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Speaker 7: can't have some candy before dinner.

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Speaker 1: I want a four point four. Take some ap class.

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Speaker 7: You know what that does? That drives kids to do

461
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Speaker 7: stuff behind your back. I don't know how that applies

462
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Speaker 7: to my kids. My kids, Yeah, of course they are

463
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Speaker 7: mid are mostly final story call. Let's go to the

464
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Speaker 7: NFL and the Dallas Cowboys draft strategy, which basically as

465
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Speaker 7: Jerry Jones just does whatever he wants. But Brian Schottenneimer

466
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Speaker 7: said something interesting. He was at the Texas Pro Day,

467
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Speaker 7: another guy who skipped the Ty Simpson workout, and I

468
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Speaker 7: don't know. He said, we've had an awesome off season

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Speaker 7: and here.

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Speaker 1: We go, here's what we're gonna do in the draft.

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Speaker 12: I think we did a really good job setting ourselves

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Speaker 12: up to be able to draft natural and draft peer,

473
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Speaker 12: which is what you want to do. You don't want

474
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Speaker 12: to have to be forced to reach for a player.

475
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Speaker 12: That's when you make mistakes. We've added some really good pieces,

476
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Speaker 12: We've got some good depth. There's still a few positions

477
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Speaker 12: that we need to address. That's all part of the process.

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Speaker 12: Like I say all the time, not my line. I

479
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Speaker 12: think it's Stevens or Jerry's. But it's twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 12: three sixty five and it never stops. But we're never stopping. Look,

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Speaker 12: we're always open for business.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know where. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: I was them, I would o Caleb Downs in the

484
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Speaker 1: back end. I think Dallas about twelve has a chance

485
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Speaker 1: to get I would go corner safety. The best safety

486
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Speaker 1: may not be available. Caleb Downs, I think will be

487
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Speaker 1: off the board, but I think the best corner, the

488
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Speaker 1: kid out of LSU, may be available. I would go secondary.

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Speaker 1: I tend to think you're gonna pay Dak and Ceedee

490
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Speaker 1: Lamb for the foreseeable future and pickings for one year.

491
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Speaker 1: I think the old line's young. You don't have to

492
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Speaker 1: pay them for a couple of years mostly I and

493
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Speaker 1: you're also paying Kenny Clark. His salary cap hit goes up.

494
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Speaker 1: Quinn Williams, Rashawn Gary. You need to get cheap on

495
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Speaker 1: the back end of that defense talent. You got to

496
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Speaker 1: get more talented and more inexpensive on the back end

497
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Speaker 1: of the defense. So don't rule out.

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Speaker 7: As you see Dallas as the twentieth pick, as well

499
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Speaker 7: as to if don't rule out Jerry getting impatient and

500
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Speaker 7: seeing Reuben Bain drop and be like, oh he does

501
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Speaker 7: so in my mock, I have Sonny Styles going to

502
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Speaker 7: the Cowboys and all these people at studdy Styles is

503
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Speaker 7: never gonna fall that far. I'm just gonna point to

504
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Speaker 7: shit Door Sanders last year, who dropped.

505
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Speaker 1: To the fifth round.

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Speaker 7: Anything can happen at the draft, and Sunny sALS is

507
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Speaker 7: a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of players I would

509
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Speaker 1: move up for. I agree, I think I do think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to think of somebody I would

511
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Speaker 1: absolutely move up for.

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Speaker 7: I mean, listen, if Jeremiah Love of Somehow falls is

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Speaker 7: that somebody.

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Speaker 2: Did you move up for running back?

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Speaker 1: Again? The rule is no, Uh, it's a it's a

516
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Speaker 1: good offensive tackle draft. If if like if if funnel

517
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Speaker 1: the right tackle from Utah and I need like I

518
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Speaker 1: think Kansas City is desperate for a right tackle. I

519
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Speaker 1: think there's two or three teams that I think the

520
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Speaker 1: New York Giants desperately need a right tackle. I contend

521
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Speaker 1: the Giants should take the tackle, and and he doesn't.

522
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Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't. He's not Jonathan Ogden, but he

523
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Speaker 1: was an un impeachable player for Utah, and Utah plays

524
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Speaker 1: a big boy schedule. I just don't think there are

525
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys i'd move up for, Like if

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Speaker 1: I was Cleveland, and I Cleveland should go and get

527
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Speaker 1: Carnell Tait at wide receiver. So I don't think they'll

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Speaker 1: have to move up. I think he's an absolute number

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Speaker 1: one physically, but there's not a lot of guys in fact.

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Speaker 1: In fact, an interesting team to me is the Miami

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Speaker 1: go to the show that picks again. The Miami Dolphins

532
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Speaker 1: are fascinating because they've got two ones and four threes.

533
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Speaker 1: I could see the Miami Dolphins using one of their three,

534
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Speaker 1: maybe go three and a five. They've got two ones.

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Speaker 1: I could see the Dolphins saying, listen, we got two ones.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to move up for the second one.

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Speaker 1: But I could see the Dolphins they don't need a

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Speaker 1: running back either, but they don't have a weapon, and

539
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Speaker 1: they got to fix that old line. I could see

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins going from eleven to like eight and say

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Speaker 1: we'll give you a third. And I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a ton in this draft. Everybody knows it's

543
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Speaker 1: not a great draft. And we keep your eye on

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins. I could see the Giants going backwards. I

545
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Speaker 1: could see the Dolphins going up because there are they

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Speaker 1: have enough picks in the between the first pick and

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Speaker 1: the end of the third. They have four five, they

548
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Speaker 1: have seven picks. I would give one of those up

549
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Speaker 1: to get Carnel Tape from Eliague Willis or get the

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Speaker 1: best right tackle that my guess is and and these

551
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Speaker 1: guys the Dolphins have running the ship now are from

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, a team that drafts and develops well. They

553
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Speaker 1: know the value of the draft. Also with them because

554
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Speaker 1: of the Tua contract that's still hovering over, they need

555
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Speaker 1: star players who they don't have to pay a lot to.

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Speaker 1: I keep your eye on the Dolphins being one of

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Speaker 1: the few teams that move and I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: move up to two. But man Malik Willis does not

559
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Speaker 1: have a weapon. I mean, they're they're and they they

560
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Speaker 1: need major design.

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Speaker 7: Maybe they're one of the season. By the way, to

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Speaker 7: go to the Cowboys forer SEC. You saw that screen.

563
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Speaker 7: We had an image they got two safeties at a

564
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Speaker 7: cornerback in this offseason. So I'm not saying that takes

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Speaker 7: downs off the board because he's obviously, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, has a huge upside.

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Speaker 7: I just keep an eye on linebacker and in the

568
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Speaker 7: trenches on the defensive from here, you know.

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Speaker 1: Jmax with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd.

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Speaker 5: Love.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the best game of the weekend yukon Michigan State tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Dan Hurley is leaned on Tom Izzo as one of

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Speaker 1: his mentors. They collide tomorrow in a classic Sweet sixteen

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Speaker 1: matchup Coach Hourting Next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern a EM Pacific.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. All right, it starts tonight. Let's

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Speaker 1: look at the schedule tonight, the Sweet sixteen. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of good teams. They're all major conference teams now.

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Speaker 1: So the first one up tonight Purdue in Texas. I

582
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Speaker 1: like Purdue produce a very interesting with Matt Painter, isn't.

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Speaker 1: They don't do a lot of portal guys. They pay

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Speaker 1: their own guys. They remind me a little bit of

585
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Speaker 1: the Villainovle way to do it. They recruit high school guys.

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Speaker 1: I like Purdue tonight. I like Iowa to shock Nebraska

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't know if it's shocking Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the best team left. I like Arizona tonight. I

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Speaker 1: would take Calvin Samson and Houston. I'm not sure. I

590
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Speaker 1: watched Illinois play two or three times. Michigan kind of

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Speaker 1: pushed them around, but Michigan pushed a lot of people around,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not sure. All Right, Tomorrow night it's Yukon

593
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Speaker 1: and Michigan State at maybe the best game of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: It's Dan Hurley against Tom Izzo, and coach Hurley is

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Speaker 1: now joining us live. All right, this is gonna be

596
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. You know what's funny about this

597
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Speaker 1: is that you started the year twenty two and one.

598
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Speaker 1: Your only loss was close to Arizona. And Arizona there's

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Speaker 1: an argument it's the best team in the tournament, the

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Speaker 1: hell of a team, and you get a two seed.

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Speaker 1: I would argue you could be a one seed, but

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Speaker 1: the sport is thicker, the sport is better. Do you

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Speaker 1: feel your more of a one seed or do you

604
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Speaker 1: think to yourself coach, you know, we're not quite as athletic.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a Stefan Castle. How do you view

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Speaker 1: your team as a great two or maybe should be

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Speaker 1: a one.

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Speaker 5: I think it was close.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, if it's great being on Colin

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Speaker 8: and I loved your breakdown, and we played a couple

611
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Speaker 8: of those teams, you know, and I mean Illinois is excellent,

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Speaker 8: and you know, they have as good a chance as

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Speaker 8: anyone to get to a final four, and we were

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Speaker 8: able to beat those guys, you know, Florida who you know,

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Speaker 8: I think it was a lot of people's pick to,

616
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Speaker 8: you know, to get back to the final four, maybe

617
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Speaker 8: go back to back. You know, we beat those guys

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Speaker 8: in the non conference this year, so you know, our

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Speaker 8: high end wins. You know, the performance against Saint John's

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Speaker 8: at home. You know, we we've showed an ability to

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Speaker 8: to be.

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Speaker 5: As good as anyone in the country.

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Speaker 8: We haven't always come through in the championship moments, you know,

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Speaker 8: but you know, the reality is we're a thirty one

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Speaker 8: win team.

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Speaker 5: We had as good a non.

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Speaker 8: Conference performance as anyone in the country, and then we

628
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Speaker 8: went nineteen and three in the Big East in twenty

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Speaker 8: two Big East games. So yeah, we feel like we're

630
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Speaker 8: as dangerous as any team in the country. We know

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Speaker 8: that Michigan State that is going to be a war.

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Speaker 8: It's a real manly contest, and you know, there's a

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Speaker 8: reason why they're called Spartans.

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Speaker 5: Very physical. Yeah, it's going to be a battle.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I watched the UCLA game and I really

637
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Speaker 1: like UCLA's guard play. But when you got hot before

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Speaker 1: the half, my take was the second half. It was

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Speaker 1: Yukon basketball. It was physical, it was tough. Michigan State's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: They have one of my favorite players in the tournament,

641
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Speaker 1: Cohen Carr. He is a relentless player. He just jumps

642
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Speaker 1: through the television screen. And I want you to talk

643
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: a little bit about him because I do think you

644
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: and you in Michigan State car makes it a very

645
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: interesting matchup. It's going to be very physical. It's going

646
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: to be hard to officiate. Does Cohen Carr jump off

647
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: to you? I think it's gonna be a hard game

648
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: to officiate. Tell me about Cohen Carr. What do you

649
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: see with him?

650
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 8: Well, we saw him, and obviously it wasn't a regular

651
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 8: season game, it didn't count, but we you know in

652
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 8: the exhibition, we you know, we played these guys in October,

653
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 8: so we shared the court. And unless you've seen his

654
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 8: athleticism and physicality and the way he runs the court,

655
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 8: how fast he gets down that left lane, and when

656
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 8: it's takeoff time, it's like it's like.

657
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: It's watch out.

658
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 8: So as a cutter on the baseline, the lobs, the

659
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 8: offensive rebounds, that driving his left hand, the getting out transition,

660
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 8: if you're not dialed into those things, he's gonna he's

661
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 8: gonna put you on a highlight reel.

662
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 5: And you know those are those are things that are controllable.

663
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 8: And now he's made He's made some threes the last

664
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 8: couple of games too, So you.

665
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: Know, I love where college basketball is at. I said,

666
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: there was about a twenty year period where it just

667
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: didn't have enough good players. And then I said, a

668
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I'm watching your title team and

669
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I said, okay, they can compete against Billy Donovan's Gators.

670
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: That you got four or five at you got NBA length, physicality, coaching.

671
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: That was the precipice to me. That was the beginning

672
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: of all the international guys are coming over, all the

673
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: nils keeping guys. I feel like right now, Dan, the

674
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: sports got so much damn talent. When I watch these games,

675
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: they don't shoot quite like the NBA. But do you

676
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: feel do you notice it? You've been there eight years.

677
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: Over the last four years, there's just more. There's more dudes,

678
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: there's more, there's more pros. Do you feel it?

679
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 5: Yeah?

680
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 8: You know your thousand percent, you know correct, We'll getting

681
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 8: more of those high level international players are coming over.

682
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 5: Those younger players that.

683
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 8: You know aren't quite at the top division over there

684
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 8: making the real money. It's more appealing to come play

685
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 8: play college basketball. And then yeah, I mean you're getting

686
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 8: players are now staying longer. Those guys that are fringe

687
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 8: first round picks, those guys that non lottery players that

688
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 8: aren't guaranteed to go and the go in the lottery

689
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 8: or in the first twenty picks.

690
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 5: Most of those guys, you know, are making the smart,

691
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 5: a smart decision of staying in.

692
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 8: College where basically they can now get the same amount

693
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 8: of money. But you're also you're going to get developed

694
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 8: better at college than you will in the G League.

695
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 8: You're also going to live better. You're also going to

696
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 8: live better, You're going to travel better, you're going.

697
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 5: To stay in nicer hotels.

698
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna you know, you're going to You're going

699
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 8: to be in the actual forty million dollar practice facility

700
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 8: as opposed to being in the practicing in community colleges

701
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 8: in the G League.

702
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 5: Yeah. So you have.

703
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three yukon five NBA guys, twenty twenty four

704
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: to four NBA guys to castles on that team. Lakers

705
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: made you an offer, you turn it down. The stories

706
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: now that Izzo came and you talked to Tom Izzo.

707
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I one of the things I like about college basketball

708
00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: now the old guys are crushing Caliparis, Iizzo, Patino, Rick Barnes.

709
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: The NBA has gotten very young. Actually, there's a bunch

710
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: of young guys. But I said at the time, I said, no,

711
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: I think you're a college coach. And that's not that

712
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: you couldn't coach. I think Billy Donovan and you could

713
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: both go either way. When you look back at it now,

714
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: the decision to stay. Was there ever one second of regret?

715
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. Well, I don't know about regret, but I

716
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 5: mean second guessing. I don't think that there's.

717
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 8: You know, many people that would honestly say that you

718
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 8: don't second guess decisions that you make in your life,

719
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 8: huge decisions, you know, beyond just career decisions. But marital,

720
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 8: I mean, people make you know, all types of second

721
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 8: guessing on things that they've chosen, especially when you when

722
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 8: you see how well the Lakers are playing right now,

723
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 8: or you know, you see the trade or you see

724
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 8: the trade for Luca and and you watch Lebron playing

725
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 8: at the level he's playing at. You know, you definitely

726
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 8: do at different times. But I just I love the

727
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 8: control you still have in college. You know, like the

728
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 8: college coach in college football and college besketball coach is

729
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 8: still has the control to really run the organization up

730
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 8: to his standard and his level of accountability. And I

731
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 8: think that's so you really do control your own destiny

732
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 8: as a college coach.

733
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: And that's something I would never want to give up.

734
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: So is all barks. I'm defending guys that use volume

735
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: as coaching. This week, I've been saying, guys, you know,

736
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: obviously Bobby and I went over the line a few times,

737
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: but you bark at officials more than you bark at players.

738
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: You're probably tough one of those guys. That's tough at practice,

739
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: but you're really on the officials when I wonder, because

740
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: you have the highest winning percentage of any active coach.

741
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: You've won almost eighty percent of your tournament games. That's insane.

742
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: Do you coach a little differently in the tournament? For instance,

743
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: if I was an official, I would run you out

744
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: of an arena in November. I'm not running you out now.

745
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: Do you think you get a little more leeway in March?

746
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: You can raise the volume a little, to the striped shirts,

747
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: you have a little more, little more leeway.

748
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 5: I actually flip it. I think, I think.

749
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 8: I think I picked up a couple of technicals this

750
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 8: year that I really didn't deserve because not a lot

751
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 8: of attention is drawn to some of those regular season

752
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 8: games on a Tuesday night, some you know, the twelfth

753
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 8: conference game of the year on a Tuesday at Providence

754
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 8: or whatever the situation is. You know, I think there's

755
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 8: more eyes on everybody this time of year.

756
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 5: So if you hand out a week.

757
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 8: Technical foul, you're you're gonna get called out on social media.

758
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 8: You may not ref the next round of the tournament.

759
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 8: So I think, and then I also feel for myself,

760
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 8: I'm more relax this time of year. I think you

761
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 8: work so hard to put yourself in position where you're

762
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 8: in contention. Now you find yourself with a team that's

763
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 8: in contention. You got you're more relaxed this time of year.

764
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 8: When you're coaching in December or January, you're really uptight.

765
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: Man. It's like if things start going.

766
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 8: Bad in December, now you're looking at that, staring down

767
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 8: the barrel of man. I got two or three more

768
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 8: months a hell with this group if we get out

769
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 8: of two game losing streak where you don't worry about

770
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 8: picking the pieces up this time of year, if you

771
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 8: go down, you know, it's kill or be killed this

772
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 8: time of year.

773
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 5: If you go down, you don't have to worry about

774
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 5: picking the pieces up with your team. The next day,

775
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: there are no pieces. It's over. Yeah.

776
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: That Marquette game, was that you were up tight end

777
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: of that game?

778
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 5: Yeah I remember, Oh yeah, Yeah. That was crushing. I

779
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 5: mean that was I mean that was crushing.

780
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 8: And I was literally breathing down the neck of of.

781
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: My guy, John, who's an excellent official.

782
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: Who who who?

783
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 8: Who refed me going back to Wagner College. I think

784
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 8: you know John was John was on my game where

785
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 8: I really really started to believe I can have a

786
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 8: career as a college coach.

787
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 5: And I took my Wagner team.

788
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 8: We won that pitt I think pitt was right top

789
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 8: ten in the country. And it was second year at

790
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 8: Wagner College and we went and won a road game

791
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 8: at Pittsburgh and John was on that game. So anytime

792
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 8: I see John out there, I actually feel really good.

793
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: Just not not that day. In no Walk.

794
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: It was your only bad loss of the season. You

795
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: lost Arizona and Saint John's. Those are good losses. Your fun,

796
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: Creighton's good, all right, good luck. You're coaching against your

797
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: mentor you a little just a little nervous going up

798
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: against Izzoh little tricks from Izzoh, you're a little nervous.

799
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 5: I think you're as you get closer to the game.

800
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: I mean, the film doesn't lie.

801
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 8: Like when you coach against the best coaches, you know

802
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 8: their teams are so hard to beat. I remember just

803
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 8: when I first got here and Jay Wright was at Nova,

804
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 8: and you start watching his team and you just say,

805
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 8: they don't give you a lot. You know, they don't

806
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 8: give you anything free, like they just they make you

807
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 8: earn it. You have to You know, you have to play,

808
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 8: you have to win the street fight, and you also

809
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 8: have to outplay him at basketball. So you know, you

810
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 8: just know that you're going to have to earn it.

811
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 8: And yeah, coaches is a you know, he's a he's

812
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 8: a great friend and a great mentor.

813
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 5: You know.

814
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 8: But again for both of us, tomorrow night, it's it's

815
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 8: kill or be killed.

816
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: Good see great sceneor good luck to you.

817
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 5: Colin great sat your brother, You're the man.

818
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: All right. Dan Hurley eight seasons at yukon one seventy

819
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: seven percent of his tournament games. That is just one

820
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: of those. You can win a free beer at the

821
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: bar with that trivia. That's that's an unbelievable number. And yeah,

822
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: they had a real bad loss. He got ejected really

823
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: late in the game. I think there's only a couple

824
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: of seconds left against Marquette that had a meltdown. That

825
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: was a really bad game. Lost to Saint John's Zona crighton.

826
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: Creighton's always I think Creighton's been pretty good. That coach

827
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: is retiring. Mcdermot's retiring. So you can look at the

828
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: schedule one more time. Uh, Purdue, keep your eyes and

829
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: they're not a dark horse or what are they a

830
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: two seed Purdue. They don't bring in a lot of transfers.

831
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: They pay their guys in the ni L, they go

832
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: high school. Purdue is a tough out I like. I mean,

833
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: one of my one of the things I really like

834
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: tonight is Purdue. All right, hour two coming up to

835
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: hurt