1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you Oz always 3 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Over there on the other 4 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: side of the zoom, we've got the one and only 5 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: super producer, Max Williams. Give it up for him. And uh, 6 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: they call me Ben. There's someone else on the zoom, 7 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: one of my favorite people wearing one of my favorite 8 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: t shirts. No, I noticed you noticed my shirt. I 9 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: noticed your shirt. I like your shirt, thanks man. This 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: is a Daily Zeitgeist shirt, signed by every member of 11 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitgeist crew in blood. Um. It's a little 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: below the fold. You can't see that part, but it's 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: a very prized possessional and I only wear it, you know, 14 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: as like a sort of podcast totem, you know, just 15 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: to give me that podcast juice, because it really is 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: sort of imbued with the spirit of podcasting. Yeah. Yeah. 17 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: And also, I've wondered this before. This has nothing to 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: do with today's episode, folks, but I've wondered this before. 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Maybe there's a question or fellow Ridiculous Historians can answer. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: So you guys know how it's considered like poor taste. 21 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: You're kind of lame to wear the T shirt of 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: a band that you're going to see at their concert. 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: Does the same thing happen with podcasts like we I 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: have some old, ridiculous history T shirts and I never 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: wear them outside because it feels strange for me. That's different, man, 26 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: That's that's the equivalent of you wearing your own band's 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: T shirt, which is the most epic of flexus. They 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: can only be pulled off by a select few, like say, 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe Metallica in the eighties. They could have done that, 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, our Mega Death or something like that, or 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: one of those death metal bands where you can't even 32 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: read what the script says because it's just like, yeah, 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: angry angry thorns precisely. Uh. And again I would ask Ben, 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: who is it that says it's lame to wear a 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: band's T shirt? Let's just show solidarity? Or who are 36 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: you are there to be seen? Are you there to 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: support your your band? You know? Yeah, you know, it's 38 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: like we're in a jersey to a supporting of that. 39 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: No one would shut you down for that. There you go, 40 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: that's an excellent comparison. Max is nodding there, but yeah, 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point. And you know me, man, 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: I'd just like to see when people are enthusiastic and happy. 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: So if you're if you're wearing something that makes you happy, 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: and uh, it doesn't matter if you can pull it off. 45 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: But speaking and pulling stuff off, let's talk about you're 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: so good at that. It's just uh, I disagree, but 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Uh No, you and Max and 48 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: I were super into Heist recently and we had we 49 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: had teased another kind of like heist related I would say, 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: a good old fashioned prison break in the past episode. 51 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: But we got so excited when we had a chance 52 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: to talk with Alex Williams earlier this week that we 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: actually put a pause on our heist on our higst face. 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: But my friend, I believe we're back to it today. 55 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's right, We're back in high smoke. 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 1: Can I still be the bagman? Ben? I just wanted 57 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: the cost I've always wanted to be a bagman. I 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: will have no other bagman in the crew other than you. 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: It's the bagman, the guy that carries the money like 60 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: like like a suitcase with a handcuff, Like, well, what's 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: what's what's my role? Yeah, it's it depends on the 62 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: nature of our heist, so like, because you always need 63 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: a good bagman. So like, if we were robbing a 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: bank and don't do it, by the way, you'd be 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: surprised how little money bank robbers actually make. We have 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: a brain stuff video about it. It's interesting and depressing. 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: But if if we were for some reason robbing a bank, 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: then you, as the bagman, would be the person taking 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the money to you know, the getaway driver that we 70 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: probably have, like the muscle. It depends on how we 71 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: want to go with it. And if we were in 72 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: a prison break, you would have probably a bag of tools. 73 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: That's right, And one could argue that a prison break 74 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: is a heist where the stolen goods are in fact 75 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the heist ees you know, or the crew themselves. They're 76 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: literally absconding with themselves. They're literally stealing their own physical 77 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: bodies from like this conceptual vault that is the prison 78 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: that is helping them and conceptual and literal. So so 79 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: today's episode takes us to Australia. This is a continent 80 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: that we have always wanted to visit, at least Nolan 81 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: I Max. Have you ever have you ever found yourself 82 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: in Australia. I have not found myself in Australia. I 83 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: want to go up, but I'm also like definitely afraid 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: of that like country because I mean has some of 85 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: the craziest animals ever, like giant snakes, like no, no, 86 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe yes, I would love to 87 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: go to Australia, but I'm terrified of that country. Well, also, 88 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't like the aim flight. I think was it 89 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: about something crazy offline of Seattle here in a few 90 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: weeks and it's like five hours? Are you kidding me? 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: That's how long I would be on a plane. It's 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: gonna be so worth it. Max, You're gonna love it there, 93 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna love it real quick shout out. You're talking 94 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: about the wilds of Australia. Just to shout out to 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: my buddy peach Uh and Tom who live in I 96 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: believe South Wales like Queensland area, but like near the 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: Great Barrier Reef, like in this gorgeous, idyllic yet terrifying, 98 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: you know rainforest situation. Constantly posting Instagram stories of like 99 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: snakes having sex in their ceiling and knocking down lights 100 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: and them having to replace them and they're always just 101 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: very humanitarian in their treatment of wildlife, even if they're 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: totally encroaching on their day to day But you're right, Max, 103 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: some of these animals look like stuff straight out of 104 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Seuss books. It's wild, very very wild country. It's 105 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: unique because it had been isolated for such a long 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: time from other ecosystems that there were some interesting opportunities 107 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: for evolution. And I like the shout out too, because 108 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: we do have a lot of Australian listeners, so I'd 109 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: also like to shout out Ellie and shout out Patrese uh. 110 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: And if you would like a shout out, let us know. 111 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: We'll tell you how to get in contact with us 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the show. But first we gotta 113 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: figure out how these how these jail breaks happened. Uh. 114 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: For if you know much about the history of Australia, 115 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: you know that it is a complicated, winding, very old 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: story and for a time convicts were shipped from Europe 117 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: to Australia. Our our story starts today with a guy 118 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: named John Devoy. Can you introduce us to John sure Canman. 119 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: John Devoy was an Irish revolutionary who went to prison 120 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: in England and was later exiled to America. UH he 121 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: was a member and senior official in the Irish Republican 122 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: brother Hood also known as the Fenians UM. Born in 123 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: County Killdare in eighteen forty two. UM, he spent a 124 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: lot of his time as a recruiter, finding thousands actually 125 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: of Irish born young men to literally sabotage the British 126 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: army from within, and he was successful with this recruitment process. 127 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: By eighteen sixty six, UH there were an estimated eighty 128 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: thousand Fenian recruits. But then someone dropped the dime, someone 129 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: snitched to the British and Devoi was exposed because the 130 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Powers that be found out there was a rebellion in 131 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the works. So when Devoy is caught, he's convicted of treason. 132 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: He's sentenced to fifteen years hard time in a place 133 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: called the Isle of Portland's in England. We also want 134 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: to give a big thanks to the good folks over 135 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: at Smithsonian and our research associate Gabe Gilbert King wrote 136 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: this wonderful article that we're pulling some sources from here. 137 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: So anyway, Devoi is he serves about five years at 138 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: at this location. He's been sentenced to fifteen, and then 139 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: he was exiled to the U S where he became 140 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: a journalist. Doesn't that seem like a little bit lenient 141 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: it feels to me? And if it feels to me 142 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: like literally sabotaging the British army from within with like 143 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: moles and spies and you know, all of that kind 144 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: of subterfuge, you know, the word treason was used That 145 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: usually results in a death sentence, doesn't right, man? Like 146 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: I mean, whenever I read about stories like this, I 147 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: always think I can't get away with a late library book, 148 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And people are out here 149 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: overthrowing governments. I fell asleep trying to put on a 150 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: pair of pants one day. I just it makes me 151 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: think about ambition and whether or not whether or not 152 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: I have enough of it. But this guy, Yeah, you're right, 153 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: he seems to have gotten off easy, doesn't he m. 154 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know about if they 155 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: had parole types that rations in these imprisonment scenarios, but 156 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: it sure feels like that's kind of what he got 157 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: because he was out after five years. He was exiled 158 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: to America, But like you said, he was able to 159 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: kind of start a new life and became a journalist 160 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: for the New York Herald and then became active with 161 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: a subset of Fenians. Um there in the U s 162 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 1: a group called Clan na Gael. Yeah, a legit secret society. 163 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: There's a conspiracy. So he's back with the Finians. He's 164 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: back with the cause. Let's go back to Ireland real quick. 165 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Because as we said, Devoi wasn't the only Finian. Far 166 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: from it. There was another guy named James Wilson. We 167 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: need to introduce. He was. He joined the Fifth Dragoon, 168 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: the British Army Guards, the Fifth Dragoon Guards in the 169 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, and he was secretly also a Fenian. So 170 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: he had a different oath that he took in secret, 171 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: and part of that was that he was going to 172 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: do his utmost to secure democratic, independent republic in Ireland. 173 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: And so eventually, in eighteen sixty five, he and a 174 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: fellow conspirator named Martin Hogan decided to go a wall. 175 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: They desert the army, and they do this after they 176 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: have already kind of turned a bunch of other Irish 177 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: soldiers in the Dragoons and introduced them to the society 178 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: of Fenians. But then again someone snitched and Wilson, like Devoi, 179 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: was arrested. He was court martialed on February tenth, eighteen 180 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: sixty six. Right, but he did get a death sentence, 181 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: at least initially. Uh. And it doesn't seem like what 182 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: the two men did were that far afield from each other. 183 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: That's why I'm a little confused about Devois, you know, 184 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: comparatively lenient sentence. But again, it was commuted to lie 185 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: in prison at a place called Fremantle Prison, which was 186 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: on the continent of Australia, which, as we know, began 187 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: as an English prison colony. Essentially, Yeah, as far as 188 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: the British were concerned, it's it's funny because well not 189 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: funny ha ha, but it's fascinating because if you look 190 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: at the history of Australia in the way it affects 191 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: people in the modern day, it's estimated that almost twenty 192 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: percent of modern Australians are descended in some part from 193 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: people who who were punished with what was called transport. 194 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: Transport was the word they would use, like your your 195 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: sentenced to transportation, So you are shipped off to Australia, 196 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: shipped off down Under. And this might sound like this 197 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: might sound like a really cool thing. You might say, 198 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: oh wow. So instead of instead of killing them, they said, 199 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: on an all expense paid trip to a place you 200 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: know nowadays a lot of people would love to visit. 201 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: This was not the case. So he goes on my ship. 202 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: He travels with other Finian prisoners, Wilson that is, And 203 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: when they get to Australia, there's a Catholic chaplain who says, 204 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: you should you should let these guys continue to work together. 205 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: They should be imprisoned together as a group, the Finians. 206 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: So they're allowed to work together separately from other convicts, 207 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: as long as they were civilians. Wilson was a military deserter, 208 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: so there's an extra level of dislike and repugnance for 209 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: him right well, and also probably scrutiny. You know, someone 210 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: like that has those kind of military chops and maybe 211 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 1: uh possesses the knowledge to pull a fast one on 212 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: the guards and maybe I don't know, plan some sort 213 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: of elaborate Oceans eleven style prison break Dun Dunn, and 214 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: we're getting to it. Yes. So, so because Wilson is 215 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: a military deserter, the powers that be don't don't like 216 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: that kind of They don't like that kind of vibe, 217 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: so they disperse those dudes just amongst the general population 218 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: there in gen pop, and people like Wilson hate it. 219 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: They're disgusted. Years and years past, it's eighteen sixty nine 220 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: and by this point a little more than half of 221 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: those Fitian convicts get royal pardons, but nine of those 222 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: ex British soldiers get pardons. And that's because the Duke 223 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: of Cambridge. Legend had it, as we're finding this from 224 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: Irish Central dot com, but legend has it that the 225 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: Duke of Cambridge had influenced Prime Minister Gladstone and said, 226 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: you will not you will not go easy on these people. 227 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: None of them can get pardons. What are you are 228 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: you playing, Gladstone? No, I'm the Duke of Cambridge, and 229 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: what I say goes. He doesn't play dukes, don't way. 230 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: Maybe they do. Maybe they play like polo or something. 231 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what water polo. Surely I was thinking 232 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: more like traditional Horsey port polo. But maybe you know 233 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: in the summer the mansion. Oh what's that, Max Gsage? Yes, 234 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: I know, we can see my hands. I'm doing that 235 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: clippity kloppin. Yeah, really quick, just to call it another 236 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: awesome source. And if you're into Irish history and and 237 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: maybe even interested in visiting Ireland, highly recommend checking out 238 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Irish Central dot com. There's an article there by the 239 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: staff that we also pulled some resources on for this episode. Yeah, 240 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: and so Wilson is many things, but he's not a dummy, 241 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: far from it. And he realizes Luke, as long as 242 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: people like the Duke of Cambridge or in the mix 243 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: me and the boys are not getting pardons, we are 244 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: either going to serve out the entirety of our tour 245 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: in this prison, or we are going to have to 246 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: go on the lamb. We'll have to make an escape. 247 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: And so he writes a secret letter, reaching out to 248 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: his network for some help. I love a secret letter. 249 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: Do you think it had some sort of like like 250 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: a cryptical hope, so like like a wax seal on 251 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: it of some kind, you know, I mean like a 252 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: code disappearing ink or you have disappearing ink. That was 253 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: what I was to remember that. Well, you can make 254 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: that with what like lemon juice and something else, I think, 255 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: so yeah, Or like maybe you have to fold the 256 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: letter like those old Mad magazine covers. Do you guys 257 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: mad magazine. Oh yeah, so I remember it being very baldy. 258 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: So before we get to this letter, maybe we talk 259 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: just a little bit about the Fremantled Prison. It is 260 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: not a super pleasant place and we know a lot 261 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: about it thanks to a writer named Peter Murphy himself 262 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: Irish Australian who wrote a book called Finny and Fear, 263 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: That's sure. And this is not to be confused with 264 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: the Peter Murphy from the Seminole goth band Bauhouse. Just 265 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: to put that out there in case anyone was wondering, 266 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: which I'm sure very few of you were. Yeah, but 267 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: sixty two Finnians all told, were sent to Western Australia 268 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: and locked up in Fremantle Prison, that, by the way, 269 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: was located in what is today modern day Perth, the 270 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: Perth metro area. And I believe Fremntal Prison it definitely 271 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: stands today, and I believe it is the only World 272 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Heritage site in all of Australia, which is a massive continent. 273 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: And earlier, just want to say something real quick. Earlier 274 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: I said it's a wild country, referring to the you know, 275 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: the really rural parts of Australia. I know Australia is 276 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: a content I was like being, you know, like Dickenzie 277 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: in about it like it's a wild, wild country. It's 278 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: both a country and a continent. You know, it's it's 279 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: pretty and inn Island, Yeah, there is also in island. 280 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: I want it depends on your perspective, right, because it's 281 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: a good question. I I do want to shout out, 282 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: though unrelated to anything except the name, Australia is also 283 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: home to one of my favorite winds, W I and 284 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: D s. It's there's a wind called the Fremantle Doctor. 285 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: Isn't that a cool name? Sometimes the locals apparently just 286 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: call it the Doctor. I love the idea of a 287 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: wind that has a name. So if you, if you 288 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: have experience with, or if you're familiar with any other 289 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: thing like this, like a wind that has a name, 290 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: please tell us you can't wait to hear everything about 291 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: Isn't there a fantasy series of fantasy novels called the 292 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: Name of the Wind. There's something called the Name of 293 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: the Wind? Oh yeah, yeah, the King's Killer Chronicle Day one, 294 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: it's called the Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss 295 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: have not had the pleasure, but I've heard good things awesome. Yeah, 296 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't read it either, but I love 297 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: a good fantasy series, so check it out. Well, you know, 298 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: what you know we haven't heard good things about is 299 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: the Fremantle Prison. This this place, uh, the construction on 300 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: it began in eighteen fifty two. It wasn't really done 301 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: until eighteen fifty nine, but they were putting people into 302 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: this prison before construction was complete. They were putting people 303 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: in in there as early as eighteen fifty five. And 304 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty big place. It's got, of course, 305 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: a lot of perimeter walls, their workshops, there's a hospital, 306 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: there's six houses for the senior officers of the prison. 307 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: And this thing did numbers. It moved volume between eighteen 308 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: fifty and eighteen sixty eight and estimated while almost ten 309 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: thousand convicts passed through the prison. And hey, I I 310 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: have learned something before we went on air, and I 311 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: came to Ben and Max about this, and I was 312 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: real proud of myself. If guys, I learned a new 313 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: word to day, it's gaul it's another word for for prison. 314 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: And then been very kindly pat of me on the 315 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: head virtually and said, I think it's pronounced jail um. 316 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: So I learned a cool alternate spelling for jail today, 317 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: and it's pronounced I only know it because of a 318 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: poem by Oscar Wilde, and I had this embarrassing moment 319 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: where I had to read it out loud in class, 320 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: and then my history teacher decided to you know, pointed 321 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: out publicly. So ostra size you really bad? Oh yeah, 322 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: they passed around the shards of the pots everything. Yeah. 323 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: It does make me wonder though, with the spelling of 324 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: that g A O L. I believe if there's any 325 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: connection between that and the word goolog, which is you know, 326 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: forced labor camps um that were very uh outfit full 327 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: effect during Stalin's reign. Yeah, that's that's a really good question. 328 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: I would say I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm not sure. 329 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: I haven't looked into it. So listeners, if you know, 330 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: let us know. And it gets its name in eighteen 331 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: sixty seven, that's when it's officially the remantled prison. Uh. 332 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: And at the same like just a year after that, 333 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: they stopped transporting convicts to that prison, So by eighteen 334 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: they are less than fifty convicts in this prison. It's 335 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: a ghost town. It's built a house a thousand people. 336 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Now they're only fifty anyway. So we're giving you a 337 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: lot of context, but you need it for this heist. 338 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: Let's go back to Devoid Noel. He's in New York City, 339 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: as she said, he's got a new life. He's a 340 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: journalist now and he gets a secret letter from a 341 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: guy in Australia named James Wilson. And it's so cool man, 342 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: that's right, he says, Remember this is a voice from 343 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: the tomb two exactly. Uh. And you know the takeaway 344 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: there was I am a post of Christmas past kind 345 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: of situation, reminding you of your the oath that you made, 346 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, so long ago, speaking to him and kind 347 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: of this esoteric language likely that would have been recognizable 348 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: to him as like kind of this coded talk between 349 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: members of the secret Society. Right, yeah, yeah, this is 350 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: this is a fascinating letter. He is one of seven. 351 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: Wilson is one of seven of the high profile Finians. 352 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: He's one of the seven people convicted a treason, sentenced 353 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: to death and then he got his sentence commuted to 354 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: just a terrible life life of hard labor. Uh. He 355 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: is in a bad situation now because he and his 356 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: compatriots have been building roads, they've been working in a 357 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: limestone quarry. Uh. They've also been physically abused. I think 358 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: it's safe to say, because they got branded like the 359 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: way you are brand cattle with the letter D for deserter. 360 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: And he says to Devoid, you know, we're getting sick. 361 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: We're not going to live much longer. We need help. 362 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: And at the same time in the Finnian network, another 363 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: guy reaches out to Devoi. That's right. It's a guy 364 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: named John Boyle O'Reilly who got to Fremantle along with 365 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Wilson Um and uh many of the other Irish recruits, 366 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: and then he was singled out and transferred to Bunbury, 367 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: which was another prison um in the western part of Australia. 368 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: He had no no one to have his back. Um, 369 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, he left all his compatriots behind, and he 370 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: started getting more and more depressed. Uh. And just in 371 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: this constant stated desperation, he tried killing himself by slitting 372 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: his own wrists, but thankfully another convict found him in 373 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: time and he was saved. And then he kind of 374 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: made friends with a Catholic priest and was able to 375 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: escape from Bunbury by rowing out to see and then 376 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: talking the captain of an American whaling vessel to let 377 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: him board, to hire him. Basically, well, first of all, 378 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: you gotta first of all, you gotta talk your way 379 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: from the rowboat onto the ship, and then you gotta, okay, well, 380 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: now that I'm here, how can I be of service? 381 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: And you not like knark me out when I'm clearly 382 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: an escaped escaped convict. Right, maybe not, he might have 383 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: had a very you know, the Irish have the gift 384 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: of gab oftentimes. But yeah, So he on board this 385 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: whaling vessel sailed to the US, and that's where he 386 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: started his second life as a poet. He edited a 387 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: Catholic newspaper called The Boston pilot Um, where he was 388 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: a journalist as well, and he started to feel a 389 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: little guilty of the men that he left behind, even 390 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: though again he was pulled away from them and was 391 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: kind of left defend on his own, but that wasn't 392 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: their fault. But he still felt the you know, the 393 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: brunt of that oath that these Fenians took, this brotherhood 394 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: took it very seriously, and he started to think of 395 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: ways that he could help them, and that's when John 396 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: Devoy came to mind. He decided he was going to 397 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: reach out to Devoi and ask for his help in 398 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: rallying members of that American kind of subset of the 399 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: Fenians called the Clan and the Gael. Forgive me anyone 400 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: who from Ireland out there, if I am butchering that pronuciation. 401 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: We tried to look it up. I couldn't find an 402 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: audible pronunciation. So it's doing the best we can with 403 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: what we've got. But the idea was that he would 404 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: rally members of this group to assemble a crew and 405 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: rescue the men who had been left behind. Right, So 406 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: the plan is coming together and Devoy is Devoy is 407 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: getting is an easy self for this, right, because he 408 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: also has loyalty to the Fenians and additionally oh Riley, 409 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: who I agree, No, he must be a very charismatic dude. 410 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: Because he talked his way onto the whaling ship. He 411 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: obviously influenced that priest in Australia, right, and then now 412 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: he's influencing Devoi and he is living proof that escape 413 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: is possible. So this conversation with O'Reilly plus Wilson's letter 414 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: makes Devois think you know, I bear some responsibility because 415 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: I recruited a lot of these people. And he even 416 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: writes about explicitly later. This is referenced in the Smithsonian 417 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: article we mentioned. Devoy says most of the evidence on 418 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: which the men were convicted related to meetings with me. 419 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: I felt that, I, more than any other man than 420 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: living ought to do my utmost for these Finian soldiers. 421 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: And that speaks to his character, I think, because he's 422 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: realizing I got these guys in this situation one way 423 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: or the other. So I I think I I respect that, 424 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: you know, that's right. And again, these Finians and a 425 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: lot of these Irish revolutionaries, they just wanted to be 426 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: to have their own free state, you know, away from 427 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: English rule. Uh, in the same way that members of 428 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: the American Revolution did. So it's like, you know, one 429 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: person's re freedom fighters, another person's terrorists, depending on what 430 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: side of thea divide that you're on. So it does 431 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: seem that they weren't, you know, just out too so anarchy. 432 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: That they did have you know, good hearts, and they 433 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, had a had a cause that they believed 434 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: in passionately. Um, we have a reprinting of this letter 435 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: that Wilson wrote that Devoy actually read out loud to 436 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: rally the troops at a meeting of the clan. That's 437 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: with the scene the clan they kale uh and uh. 438 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean we could tag team this one man. Yeah, 439 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: this is a great way Max kick in the music, 440 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: because this is the part of the heist film where 441 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: the leader makes a speech, an impassioned speech, and where 442 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: you start rounding up all your specialists. Uh so, so 443 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: this is the moment the voice stands up. He's that 444 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: like you said in a secret meeting, and he reads 445 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: Wilson's words, and Wilson is cracker jack writer guys. He 446 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: says what to death is staring us in the face, 447 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: the death of a felon in a British dungeon and 448 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: a grave amongst Britain's ruffians. I am not ashamed to 449 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: speak the truth that it is a disgrace to have 450 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: us in prison today. A little money, judiciously expended would 451 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: release every man that is now in West Australia. I 452 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: think that we have been nearly nine years in this 453 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: living tomb since our first arrest, and that it is 454 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: impossible for mind or body to withstand the continual strain, 455 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: and it's upon us. One or the other must give way. 456 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: Remember this is a voice from the tomb, for is 457 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: this not a living tomb. In the tomb, it is 458 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: only a man's body that is good for worms. But 459 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: in this living tomb, the canker worm of care enters 460 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: the very soul. And we think, if you foreseek us, 461 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: then we are friendless. Indeed, I have a question. No, 462 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: what is a canker worm? Oh gosh, I'm imagining it's 463 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: some sort of like maggot that infests you know, open sores. 464 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: Is that accurate? That's just me using context clues. Yeah, 465 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: I um. I wasn't familiar with this, and it sounded 466 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: very unpleasant because I I immediately associated it with those 467 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: little things in people's mouths, canker sores. It seems like 468 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: if your canker store gets bad enough, or their canker 469 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: worms of all. But no, they're they're the little uh 470 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: like inch worm guys. Oh you know, okay, so, but 471 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: but but even the little inchworm guys will will will 472 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: eat you know, rotting flesh if it's buried in the ground, 473 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: and their little inchworm paths happened across a tasty morsel right, 474 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: or is it just earthworms that eat flesh. I'm not sure. 475 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: Neither of us are worm experts, but that is my theory. Yeah, 476 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: and and so so he Devoid reads this letter and 477 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: then he pauses with great gravitas and all I want 478 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: to lean on your amazing voice acting skills here, because 479 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: when he puts down the letter, picture him looking around 480 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: the secret meeting moment of silence, and then he shouts, 481 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: these men are our brothers. Yeah and uh that that 482 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: that did the trick. That was like that was like 483 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: the freedom you know cry, or like give me liberty 484 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: or give me death, you know, all of that good stuff. Whatever. 485 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: The action the one big, big fighting words, boisterous rallying cries. 486 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: That's literally what a rallying cry is. That is the 487 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: very foundation of a rallying cry. So they start to 488 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: gather funds together, like like cash money to put together 489 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: the resources they need to pull off this rescue. So 490 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: we're getting really into this story. I think it's clear 491 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: that the three of us love this tale, and we 492 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: are gonna make this aitude parter because we don't want 493 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: to cut anything. Yes, indeed, um, I think this is 494 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: a great stopping point and we will be back in 495 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: just a couple of days time with the stunning conclusion 496 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: to the Katalpa prison break. In the meantime, why don't 497 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: you check us out as human beings and as a 498 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: show on Instagram. You can find the show on Instagram 499 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: at Ridiculous History and us as individuals as well. That's right. 500 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: You can find me at ben bullin hs W on Twitter. 501 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: You can see my various misadventures sometimes international on Instagram where, 502 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: in a burst of creativity, I've called myself at ben 503 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: bullan bow l I and what about you? Mr Brown? 504 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: You can find me exclusively on Instagram where I am 505 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: at how Now Noel Brown? Huge thanks to super producer 506 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: Max Williams, Alex Williams who composed our theme, Researchers Extraordinaire 507 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: Gabe Louisier, and of a big thanks to Christopher Hasiotis 508 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: big thanks to Eve's Jeff Coat. Big thanks to Jonathan Strick, 509 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: Linda k the quister. I'm after you here Part two, folks, 510 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: help us figure out how we're gonna cast ourselves. So, no, 511 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: you're the bag man, Max. You want to be the captain, 512 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: I mean Captain Anthony. You know the story. You know 513 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: the score. Oh yeah, no, I could. I could totally 514 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: keep it together. I think three of us on the 515 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: most Captain material. So alright, okay, alright, okay, that's fine, 516 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: that's fine. I'll be so I'll be one of the 517 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: other guys. Well, I'm as long as I get to 518 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: be the bat man. I'm all good. We'll see you 519 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: next time. Books. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 520 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 521 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.