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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, fellow conspiracy realist, our classic.

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Speaker 1: This evening takes us to one of the dream continents

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Speaker 1: that Matt I have always wanted to visit. I got

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Speaker 1: close one time.

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Speaker 2: Me too. This is the destination if you can get there.

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Speaker 2: And not long ago, a large like a passenger sized

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Speaker 2: plane landed for the first time on Antarctic iceful all

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Speaker 2: of it. But really think about this. It is a

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Speaker 2: massive continent that is covered in ice. But it wasn't

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Speaker 2: always covered in ice.

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Speaker 1: Not always. And we're not just kicking new Schwabia conspiracy

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Speaker 1: ideas here. It is still the most inhospitable, most mysterious

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Speaker 1: of Earth's land masses. And I love that you're pointing

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Speaker 1: out this was not always the case. We recorded this

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Speaker 1: episode in twenty eighteen, so light Oar was still very

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Speaker 1: much in play, but had not perhaps reached the levels

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Speaker 1: of affordability and scale that it has now. And so

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Speaker 1: we looked into claims that have been around for centuries

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Speaker 1: and centuries that once upon a time Antarctica was not

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Speaker 1: a vast desert wasteland, but instead a home to civilizations

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Speaker 1: that could give modern society a run for its money.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, when ets get confirmed, I'm just I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna bet right now this is gonna have something to

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Speaker 2: do with Antarctica.

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Speaker 1: I think you know what. I'll be honest man, if

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Speaker 1: you ask me, Ben, what if the long lost civilizations

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Speaker 1: aren't real? I would still go to Antarctica. It just

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Speaker 1: seems so cool. It's just kind of hard to get

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Speaker 1: there right now.

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Speaker 2: But not for long. And let's jump in.

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Speaker 3: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 3: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 3: learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul Deckett. Most importantly, you are you. You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Quick as we say, peek behind the curtain. The four

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Speaker 1: of us are actually relatively well traveled people.

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Speaker 4: Although I have never been to Antarctica.

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Speaker 1: Right right, and that's the subject of today's episode. Very

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Speaker 1: very few people have been. I got very close to

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Speaker 1: going to Antarctica once a number of years ago, Matt.

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Speaker 1: You may remember it was with a good friend of ours,

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Speaker 1: friend of the show who does a lot of write

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Speaker 1: ups on the House Stuff Works website about our podcast,

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Speaker 1: Diana Brown. Check out our work if you get a chance.

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Speaker 1: She was going her family was going to go on

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Speaker 1: a group expedition, and Antarctica is one of those places

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Speaker 1: that is very, very expensive to go go to by

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Speaker 1: your lonesome. You know, for sure, you gotta roll deep

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Speaker 1: and get the price cuts. Unfortunately that didn't happen. But

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping one day to get to this continent and

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it would be a cool thing

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Speaker 1: for all of us to do, because of all of

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Speaker 1: Earth's continents, Antarctica remains the most mysterious today. It's an

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Speaker 1: ice box, it's a gigantic ice desert. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the last places in the world that is largely or

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Speaker 1: somewhat the same as it was before what we call

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Speaker 1: the anthropis scene or the age of humans. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's no wonder there's not much reason for human beings

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people this may be weird to

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Speaker 1: think about. Antarctica wasn't all ways a frozen wasteland. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of balming for a while.

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Speaker 2: That's true. And just before we get into that, you

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Speaker 2: can take a flight cruise to Antarctica. That's probably the

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Speaker 2: easiest way. You got to fly somewhere that's closer and

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Speaker 2: Just can't fly into Antarctica really.

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Speaker 1: Not not really, no, not easily. It's not a delta

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Speaker 2: Even yeah, it gets worse when you're in Antarctica.

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Speaker 1: Even Spirit won't take you there.

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Speaker 4: What about virgin They go everywhere?

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Speaker 4: So Anarctica is kind of like space.

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Speaker 1: On Earth, similar to the Marianna's trench. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff we don't know about either environment. That's a

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Speaker 1: very good point. What we do know about how Antarctica

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Speaker 1: arrived at this strange position that works on multiple levels

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The first thing you have to is subscribe to

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's the first thing. You have to buy the

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Speaker 1: idea that once upon a time or several different times

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Speaker 1: in the ecosystem's eye. The continents as we know them

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Speaker 1: today were actually part of larger things called super continents,

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Speaker 1: super continents, perfect super continents because not because they had

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Speaker 1: Angaia was a place that we call Gondwana. Of course,

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Speaker 1: It was actually pretty hot. But around one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred and eighty million years ago, Gondwana

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Speaker 1: about thirty four to thirty five million years ago. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the theories go here that as it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it keeps going. So any living creatures on this

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Speaker 2: And perhaps you eventually, because of this, get some evolutionary

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Speaker 1: Much right, right, But maybe as it was transforming into

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Speaker 2: But let's get back to the ice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's get back ice. Ice. Baby. How did

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Speaker 1: of what you had mentioned before, Matt, the Antarctic circumpolar current,

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Speaker 1: and they began carving deep valleys in the landscape, which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can also see that there's this massive

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating to see it and to understand how much

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Speaker 1: So what about people were there are people involved in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, according to most of the records that we have,

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Speaker 5: at all. And you know, humans were spreading across other continents,

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Speaker 5: but Antarctica kind of hung out on its frozen lonesome,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And even in places like what we call the

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Speaker 2: Re least shorter travels across across water if you had to.

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Speaker 1: Right exact, Yeah, and that can't happen due to the

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Speaker 2: It's like the perfect prison continent.

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Speaker 5: Hey, there we go, or if you're you know, perfect

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Speaker 5: continent for a super villain to have their icy.

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Speaker 1: Layer absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Possibly hide a death ray of some kind beneath the

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Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting because there are things that we

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Speaker 1: we go. Most of them start in the fifteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: the sixteenth century, when Europeans are trying to explore more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take all of the stuff, make sure it's ours exactly.

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Speaker 2: So we go to fifteen nineteen oh twas a good year,

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Speaker 2: specifically in September, Ferdinand Magellan. He takes a trip. That's

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Speaker 2: from the fifteen hundreds. And he discovers this narrow strait

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Speaker 2: his name, the Magellan Strait. Oh it's not the well,

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Speaker 2: it's just the Magellan Straight. Yeah. Sorry, Ferdinand, we didn't

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Speaker 2: a cow named after you. Okay. Anyway, So to the

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Speaker 2: My favorite version of you for your bios is Ben

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Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's the thing about Antarctica. If you actually

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Speaker 2: Very nice, Sir Fabian Godlib von Belenhausen and Shausen Chausen,

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Speaker 1: land in them there glaciers.

441
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine just traveling the ocean in those frozen

442
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: waters all the way around if it was even possible

443
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: It wasn't at the time, but it's just traveling all

444
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: the way around Antarctica.

445
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 5: Because they have ships now that will slice through Yeah

446
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 5: the ice yea ice breakers.

447
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are killer.

448
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: The US only has I think one to three in operation. Yeah, right, Ben,

449
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: it's officially, it's true. It's it's going to change as

450
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: trade passages open up in the North Pole. Did we

451
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: ever do anything about that? Who's going to control the

452
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: North Pole? No?

453
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: We we talked about who's going to No, wait, we did, we.

454
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: Did, didn't We remind us if we did.

455
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: This, man, it's it's on our list, and it hasn't

456
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: been forever. We got a ton of links.

457
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but but that's that's the state of affairs.

458
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: And we can imagine, we can all imagine how bleak

459
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: of a discovery that must have been. What a cold

460
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: comfort it must be for all of these explorers finding

461
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 1: these islands, because despite the somewhat alluring names, uh, the

462
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that they weren't. They didn't

463
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: have resources that the crews could successfully extract other than

464
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: means of survival, like the story told Noel about the

465
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: penguins in the Falklands. Instead, I think the best way

466
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: to understand it is to imagine in your own life listeners.

467
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever been on the way somewhere and got

468
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: to your destination, arrived and realized that you forgot something

469
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: important and you had to turn around? Oh god, I

470
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: know right, Like, I live so close to where we work,

471
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: and I lose my mind if I have to turn

472
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: around and walk, you know, another twenty minutes home. I

473
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: can't imagine sailing to Antarctica. Yeah, and then I.

474
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 5: Mean, I get irritated if I leave my wallet in

475
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: the car and you have to walk all the way

476
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 5: back down the hall.

477
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: To get the wallet.

478
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: So well, we can relate, dude, exactly. And if you

479
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: can just imagine in the early nineteen hundred's, for several decades,

480
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: there were numerous expeditions to to actual Antarctica where people

481
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: were attempting to do this very thing, just like get

482
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: pretty far and then they'd realize, oh, wow, we have

483
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: to go back because we didn't pack enough, we stuff.

484
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: We just ate Neil.

485
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the dogs have died and they were the

486
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: ones who are supposed to carry us here. But it

487
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: just happened over and over and over again and again.

488
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: It's all part of the same motivation that we spoke

489
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: about in the beginning of why Antarctica just became discovered

490
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: in the Falklands and all these things because there was

491
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: colonial expansion occur and in the nineteen hundreds it's written

492
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: again trying to just expand.

493
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: What if you find a source of a rare spice

494
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: or a strange animal, you know what I mean?

495
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if you get past some of this ice

496
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: and there is an actual place, some kind of oasis

497
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: land like the Cave system.

498
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Or yeah, like the Savage Land in Marvel Comics. Very

499
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: much so, So without going too much further into the

500
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: early history when to establish a timeline, We're going to

501
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: take a quick break from for Capitalism and a word

502
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and then we'll be back to explore

503
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: the story of humans in Antarctica to day, because there

504
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: actually are some all right Antarctica today.

505
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: You know who can really use the sponsors that we

506
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: just talked about. These people that are living in Antarctica.

507
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, they're shipping for most everything we

508
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: sell on this show. They're shipping involved.

509
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: That's true, that's shipping. We should tell them, we should

510
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: tell them. Yeah, it's home, it's home to people. It's

511
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: got the smallest human population of any continent. Surprise. But

512
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: it also has a very international population because none of

513
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: these people are citizens of Antarctica. Instead, they are scientists

514
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: and staff from around thirty countries. They live on seventy

515
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: different bases. About forty of those are year round bases,

516
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: meaning someone's always there, Yeah.

517
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: Even when it becomes impossible to travel outside of that base.

518
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: Even when it's like the setting and John Carpenter's the

519
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: thing someone an. The other thirty bases are only open

520
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: in the summer. The entire population officially again of Antarctica

521
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: is about four thousand people in summer, one thousand souls

522
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: in winter.

523
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

524
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: Eleven people have been born there.

525
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

526
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Also makes it the continent with the lowest birth rate.

527
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. I can

528
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: only imagine the circumstances that would lead to deciding to

529
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: have your child there.

530
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean, what if you can't get out, what if it's.

531
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Speaker 2: Winter there's Yeah, it would be pretty cool though.

532
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good story if you make it out,

533
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, to be ah polar baby.

534
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: So okay, I know we don't necessarily have this information. Shit,

535
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: I wonder in those instances of those children being born there,

536
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: do they take the country that runs the base as

537
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: it like the primary country that runs that base. You know,

538
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: I know we don't have answers to this, but.

539
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: I believe in this is just speculation, but I believe

540
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: they get the nationality of their parents.

541
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: Of the mother I guess right, Yeah, makes sense. It'd

542
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: be cool if it was just there were eleven antarcticas.

543
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: You're like accidentally Argentinian. Yeah, that could get complicated real quickly.

544
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: If you're one of those eleven people listening, are you

545
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: related to them? Right? And let us know how that

546
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: all works. Please? And so that's that's Antarctica today. That's

547
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: how it got there. That's who who lives there now.

548
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: And generally they're doing climate related research, but they're doing

549
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: another of a number of other things as well, especially

550
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: because of that massive ozone hole. Yeah. But other people

551
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: have a question that has haunted people since the eighteen hundreds,

552
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: since the official western discovery of Antarctica, And the question

553
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: is this, what if there was something else beneath the

554
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: frozen wasteland, beneath all these glaciers and all these like

555
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: howling abyssle winds. What if there was something there before?

556
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: What if there were people there before. Here's where it

557
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: gets crazy.

558
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: So the hollow Earth. No, I'm just kidding, donut. Yeah,

559
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: in this case, it's the hollow Earth, though Donut theory

560
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: slightly different. Things sometimes conflated with hollow Earth.

561
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, we want to keep that straight, right, Well, okay, so.

562
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. That's where we're going. We should do it,

563
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: we should No, no, no, we're going. We're jumping right

564
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: into Graham Hancock, which is I think the correct place

565
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: to start.

566
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Speaker 1: I'm we have to do hollow Earth at some point

567
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: we will, okay, right, all right? So yeah, as we were saying,

568
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: we're in a century, people have argued, with varying degrees

569
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: of seriousness, that Antarctica may have once been the home

570
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: to forgotten civilisms. In some cases, the stories of this

571
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: ancient society are conflated with other stories of places they're

572
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: generally thought to be mythical, like Atlantis or Lemurria.

573
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it would make a lot of sense if

574
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: a lost civilization was truly lost, because it's covered in

575
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: ice and there's no way.

576
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: To find it, and it's on a lost content there

577
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: you go, you gotta get there. And one thing we

578
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: found pretty interesting it comes from Graham Hancock, who is

579
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: a a fringe researcher who writes some really fascinating stuff.

580
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: I would say he is exciting to read, and I

581
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: don't find any I don't find major problems with like

582
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: sentence structure or thought structure. He veers off a little

583
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: bit sometimes, but overall, if you're going to read somebody

584
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: who is writing about these kinds of topics, Graham Hancock's.

585
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: A good choice. Oh man. He has a great take

586
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: on DNA too. Oh yeah, which I don't know did

587
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: we ever got?

588
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't think so should do that?

589
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: That would be a good one. So he wrote a

590
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: book called Magicians of the Gods, The Forgotten Wisdom of

591
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: Earth's Lost Civilizations and twenty incredible title. Yeah, which is

592
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: not crazy, and it's an update. It's a sequel to

593
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: a book you wrote in nineteen ninety five called Fingerprints

594
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Speaker 1: of the Gods, The Evidence of Earth's Lost Civilizations. This

595
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: book is massive. If you are interested in this sort

596
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: of alternative history, revisionist stuff, this what iffery is a

597
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: good thing to call it, then you have at least

598
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: heard of this book Fingerprints of the Gods. If you

599
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: are interested in this and you have not read it,

600
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I recommend checking it out. You can get a cheap

601
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: paperback copy really easily.

602
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: And you can get it in pretty much whatever language

603
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: you speak, with a lot of exceptions, but there is

604
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: a good chance that you at least can somewhat speak

605
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: a language that it's translated into.

606
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's in what how many twenty seven twenty

607
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: seven languages sold more than three million copies of this book.

608
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: So in the original book, Fingerprints, Vcock looks through all

609
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: these creation myths in ancient texts, and he goes through

610
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: these various geological scenarios, and his argument is that Antarctica

611
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: moved to the south Pole much more recently than we

612
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: are originally thought, and much more recently than the maintainstream

613
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: folks thing today. So instead of moving like thirty four

614
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: to thirty five million years ago, getting covered with ice

615
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: all that jazz, he says that it happened a little

616
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: less than twelve thousan five hundred years ago, which means

617
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: people were around yeah. Most importantly, and that it was

618
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: moved not by a slow continental drift, but instead it

619
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: was moved relatively suddenly by major quote crustal shifts, earthquakes,

620
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: tectonic plates subducting and crashing together and tearing apart.

621
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: But like end of the world stuff, that scenario where

622
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: if you were on planet Earth at that time and

623
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: that was occurring, it's not good news.

624
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like if the Pacific rim the ring of

625
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: fire finally erupted and everything blew up at once. Kind

626
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: like that the kind of thing that could end to

627
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: civilization if it did exist somewhere. And so, according to Hancock,

628
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: when this cataclysm occurred, several remnants or groups or factions

629
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: of this pre existing ancient civilization were able to survive,

630
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: specifically on Antarctica, at least long enough to take there,

631
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: to take trips to other parts of the world where

632
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: people survived, and to give knowledge of things like agriculture,

633
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: certain religious myth practices, and folklore and stuff like.

634
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: The symbolic nature of certain structures, and yeah, exactly, it's

635
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: all the things you end up seeing in all these.

636
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: Places, right, and maybe to teach teach the concept of

637
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: metaphor to people who were having a bicameral mind period

638
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: of civilization, right.

639
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: There you go. So listen to our bicameral Mind episode

640
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: featuring Jim McCormick.

641
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: Exactly it's a classic already a classic.

642
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: That's a good one, right, So yeah, his argument is

643
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: based on perceived commonalities in ancient civilizations like Egypt, Babylon,

644
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: meso America, the Omes, and on and on and on,

645
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: things like why do so many people build pyramid esque structures,

646
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: what's the deal with obelisk?

647
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: What's going on in go Beckley Tepeh. It's weird, it's

648
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: super weird. It's super weird, and it pushed the timeline

649
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: for humanity back much further than we thought, or at

650
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: least for civilization.

651
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: And so in that first book he says the tectonic

652
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: shifts were the source of the ancient civilization's large instruction,

653
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: but the big differences. In the second book, Magicians of

654
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: the Gods, he says, we looked back into it and

655
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: it was actually a comet that caused the damage. So

656
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: he went back and forth, and he points out things

657
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Speaker 1: in you know, Megalith's Cairns tombs, this sort of stonework

658
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: in masonry you would see that are just everywhere. That's

659
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: his argument, and it's not taken very seriously by a

660
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of mainstream archaeologists do an anthropologist, even due primarily

661
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: to the fact that these are kind of like Chariots

662
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: of the Gods by Eric von Danakin. These arguments are

663
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: made based on his interpretation of what he sees. No

664
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: one's arguing that these ancient structures don't exist in these

665
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: different parts of the world, but his argument is that,

666
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: according to him, they are very similar.

667
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's he is making connections, because there there

668
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: is no tangible connection, so he is kind of creating

669
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: a theory about it, which is, you know, one of

670
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: the things you do in anthropology, you try and connect

671
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: things up. Yeah, but in his case it's it feels

672
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: a little more out there and it doesn't go along

673
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: with a lot of the other notions, or at least

674
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: mainstream notions about how these civilizations formed.

675
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: Right.

676
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And one of one of the things here

677
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: that's very important for us to underline in the case

678
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: of Graham Hancock is he's not trying to con people.

679
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: He's not he's not saying things disingenuously.

680
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: He wants you to buy his book.

681
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 1: Well, of course he wants you to buy the book,

682
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: but he also is not trying to purposely put the

683
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: wool over people's eyes. He's not trying to build you.

684
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: I would agree with that.

685
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Seems legit, sounds legit then, right, So we're gonna leave

686
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: that there. The idea that's one ancient civilization in Antarctica,

687
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: idea Atlantis.

688
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: Who do we have?

689
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 5: Now, we've got another guy who is an archaeologist and

690
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 5: an engineer by the name of William James.

691
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: Veal with two l's yeah, two l's right.

692
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 5: Matt, you were in rare form to day my friend, Oh,

693
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 5: I didn't have a response, It's fine.

694
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

695
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 5: So William James Viale and this guy uses satellite technology

696
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: to find these ruins and kind of find where some

697
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 5: of these monuments might be hidden by the ice. And

698
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 5: he studied engineering at Basingstoke and Southampton Colleges of Technology

699
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 5: and Archaeology at the University of Southampton.

700
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: In the UK.

701
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 5: And he is a bit of a tinkerer. He designs

702
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 5: these unmanned drones for surveying these completely inaccessible areas, and

703
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 5: he has a really pretty unique dial as far as

704
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 5: I'm concerned, he is a satellite archaeologist.

705
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: That's my favorite title that I found researching this, because

706
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: that's just got to sound great when you tell people

707
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: for the first time.

708
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, you just get a hold of old

709
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: satellites and you like figure out where the satellite came from,

710
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: how long it's been up there, which country?

711
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: You get to forget about it, you those satellite archaeologist over.

712
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: So do you have to go to space and then

713
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: you know you have your chisel?

714
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: No, okay, you go to Jersey. Okay, sorry, you go

715
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: to Basingstoke in Southampton Colleges apparently, right, that's true. Yeah,

716
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: that's it's spot on. He believes that a prehistoric civilization

717
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: may have sculpted huge human heads, animals and symbols on

718
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: the Antarctic terrain, and a very specific part of it,

719
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: a part called Cape Adair, the northeasternmost peninsula of Antarctica.

720
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of like the Nazca lines. That's

721
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: his argument, those huge glyphs built out of earth that

722
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: are only really discernible as pictures from the sky, right,

723
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: which is itself a very interesting story or very interesting mystery. Still,

724
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: and for him, these are clearly these are clearly, as

725
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: Noel said, man made monuments and visible from the air.

726
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: His interpretation knocks a whole lot of people for a loop,

727
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: because instantly when you hear someone say, oh I found

728
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: a gigantic face on the land on right exactly. That's

729
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: what you think about, right, and you know that's not

730
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: his fault, but it's to a lot of people. It's

731
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: similar to the claims that there's a huge face, so

732
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a pyramid on Mars, and skeptics see this as

733
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: an example of we can make this our word for

734
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: the day if you want, which is the tendency to

735
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: see patterns in randomness, like when you're hanging out with people.

736
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: And I guess an innocuous version of this would be

737
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: sitting with your friends and you know, saying, oh, this

738
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: cloud looks.

739
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: Sort of like this a turtle.

740
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, a turtle, and then someone else will be like, yeah,

741
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: it's definitely a turtle, or someone might say no, no,

742
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: that's clearly Christopher walking from pulp fiction during the watch speech.

743
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: Definitely, and then the last guy's like, nah, it's your mom.

744
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: You're like, dude, and someone I find you have to

745
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: say that every time, every time.

746
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it could just be. The argument goes that,

747
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: with the best of intentions is his brain is working

748
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: over time to make order from chaos. But he's responded

749
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: to this, and Veil says that he has quote research

750
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: satellite imagery and rock cut inscriptive material for nearly forty years,

751
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: and of necessity had to develop strict criteria to eliminate

752
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: frequent accusations of periodolia. So's he's familiar with his accusation,

753
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: and he says that he's been working on this for decades.

754
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: He knows the difference between a random shape and a

755
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: cloud and actual language written on something. He also, to

756
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: his credit, invites other experts, especially if they disagree, to

757
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: evaluate his findings. The long and short of it is

758
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: pretty simple. He thinks it's possible that about six thousand

759
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: years ago, the ancient Sumerian culture that would be located

760
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: in what's nowadays known as a rock landed in this

761
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: location in Cape Adare, and the culture was the most

762
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: advanced of his time. And he did ask people for help.

763
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: And if you want to look at some of his research,

764
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: you can go to nas codexcod ex dot com and

765
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: you can go here and you can check out I mean,

766
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: it's a text, it's a long text page essentially with

767
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: some images in there. And this is from Williams James

768
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Vel's or Veil's it's it's his website Nasco d e

769
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: X dot com.

770
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: And one of the people he contacted for help is

771
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: a linguist named doctor Clyde Winters, and he said, doctor Winters,

772
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: could you help me. I believe this is a language.

773
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Could you tell me what this language is, what it says,

774
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: et cetera, Doctor Winters, there was a legit published academic

775
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: received these images and symbols Veal had taken from his findings,

776
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: and doctor Winters confirmed that these symbols did appear to

777
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: be linear Sumerian, particularly passages that indicated they were talking

778
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: about some great person or profit. For some people. This

779
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: is a smoking gun, but we have to remember it's

780
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: possible that Winters was not viewing the actual satellite photos

781
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: instead of viewing possibly recreations of the images. Veal thinks

782
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: that he saw in the original photos, so it may

783
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: have been it may have been a thing where he

784
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: just got a series of symbols and said, yes, these

785
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: are linear Sumerian. I can tell you a little bit

786
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 1: about what that means.

787
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you go through the website and you

788
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: look at some of these images, it is I can

789
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: understand where where William is coming from, like seeing seeing

790
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: the imagery that he is showing you. Because it will

791
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: have some satellite imagery and then what he believes like

792
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: sketched out next to it what he believes it is,

793
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: and some of it does look similar. I can see

794
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: the pattern that he is seeing in there if I

795
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: if I look at his picture right, if I don't,

796
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: if I cover up his picture, I see absolutely nothing

797
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: in the satellite imagery. So do you think that leaves

798
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, he's he's obviously been doing

799
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: it forever, so he understands it much better than I.

800
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: But I don't know. It's tough just looking at it.

801
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Well, here's here's something interesting that I surprised the hell

802
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: out of me. If okay, it sounds crazy, ancient Sumerians

803
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: making it to Antarctica for most of the trip. It's

804
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: pretty possible that they could make it because with the

805
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: kind of maritime technology they had, they could get as

806
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: far south as Tasmania, sticking mainly to coast and just

807
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: coast hopping. They would only really run into a tough,

808
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: tough stretch when they try to go from Tasmania to Antarctica,

809
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: because then they have to go over the open ocean

810
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: and a very unfriendly neighborhood of the open.

811
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: Ocean basically don't do that, right.

812
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: But once they got there, that's where it becomes more

813
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: difficult to believe, because they would need they would need tools,

814
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: time and support work to build first structures in which

815
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: they could live, and then they would need more help

816
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: quarrying large amounts of stone, right because it sounds like

817
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: stone is one of the things that Veal says he sees.

818
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: And then they would have to be eating the entire time.

819
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: Man cannot live on a penguin alone, right.

820
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless they were having other ships come through with

821
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: people they could eat.

822
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: But could you live on fourteen thousand penguins.

823
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: You could live for a while, but you probably encounter

824
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: rabbit starvation, that's right. Yeah, that's a bummer. There are

825
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: no sources of citrus, right, Well maybe seaweed, Yeah.

826
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: I could see, I could see seaweed working.

827
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: Seaweed is a citrus.

828
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: Oh it sources a vitamin seed, yeah, vitamin seaweed maybe maybe.

829
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. It's still it's still hard to

830
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: believe that they would have been able to have an

831
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: adequate food supply, adequate shelter.

832
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: And then just built all these rock monuments that are

833
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: massive or at least carvings like the Nosca lines, or

834
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 2: what if.

835
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: It's something where they traveled down from South America in

836
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: the summer and then they leave in the winter and

837
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: come back in the summer. You know, that's if we're

838
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: trying to be as generous and fair as possible. But

839
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: then there's this other question. So usually when we find

840
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: ruins of an ancient culture, we're going to find foundations

841
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: of old buildings structures, right, temples, houses, palaces, etc. Those

842
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: are the majority of ancient cultural ruins. It's more rare

843
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: to just find monuments by themselves. So why would we

844
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: see monuments but not see the homes of the people

845
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: who lived in the nearby? Right? Maybe they're just so

846
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: far covered by the ice. Maybe only the monuments are

847
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: large enough to be visible.

848
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: Well maybe Graham Hancock's thirteen less than thirteen thousand years ago?

849
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Will you six thousand years ago? Maybe they're way off

850
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: on how long ago structures were there, because we do

851
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: know that over time nature takes over and will erase

852
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: almost anything.

853
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah's like weathering and just like totally wearing down mountains

854
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 5: over time. I mean, it's crazy, but yeah, I'd love

855
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 5: to see a time lapse of that well, pretty cool.

856
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, But then you have to start thinking, well, then,

857
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: how old have humans or at least intelligent life actually

858
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 2: been on this planet right right?

859
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Which that date keeps. It seems to get pushed back

860
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: further and further every decade, you know, new discoveries, new discoveries,

861
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: going back as far as what sixty thousand years. I

862
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: think it's one of the newer ones.

863
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: It's at least close to where we're at right now.

864
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: So there's also an argument that we've brought nature into this.

865
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: There's also an argument that maybe the ice on Antarctica

866
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: is not even if it formed millions of years ago,

867
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't as constant a presence as we have

868
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: initially assumed. Interesting, maybe the ice ebbed and flowed, you

869
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean, wax still waned. Maybe there were

870
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: times when the glaciers were treated away from coastal areas,

871
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: right and possible, and maybe they did that for long

872
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: amounts of time.

873
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are so many possibilities. I bet there are

874
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: scientists out there going, no, absolutely not. It's studying this

875
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: my entire life. And no, you guys can't say that, well,

876
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: we don't know that's true.

877
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: We don't know, and we're not saying that the entire

878
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: thing is covered with a glacier at this point. It's

879
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: just it's still inhospitable. Yeah. So we can tell you, however,

880
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: about a very particular map which for people who believe

881
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Antarctica may be more familiar to our species than we

882
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: have always amed. This is sometimes seen as a smoking gun.

883
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Stay tuned after the break will introduce you to Puririus. So, map,

884
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: what can you tell us about this map?

885
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I can tell you to watch our YouTube video on it.

886
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of that YouTube video.

887
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: Most sterious Maps.

888
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the keywords. You can find it. Yeah,

889
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: it's almost it's it's often referred to, incorrectly as the

890
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: best map of the sixteenth century. That people will say

891
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: that all the time.

892
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Right, that it's and they say it's the best because

893
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: the claims are usually that it's the most.

894
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: Accurate, the most complete and accurate.

895
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most complete and accurate. Yes, thank you. That

896
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: is not the case. But the puri Reus map r

897
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: e I S p I r I r e I

898
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: S was made in fifteen thirteen and and just to

899
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: get the badger out in the open, here it appears

900
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: to depict the coastline of Antarctica free of ice.

901
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: It appears to It appears to certainly, And it all

902
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: depends on what you're looking at. If you're looking at

903
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: the map itself generally, like I'm looking at it in

904
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: a vertical way, And if you go to Wikipedia dot com,

905
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: which is probably how you're gonna find an image of

906
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: this thing, and you're looking at it, I'm trying to

907
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: see which way is true north on here, and I

908
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: can't tell, but it looks like it's oriented as though

909
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: if you turned it ninety degrees to the left that

910
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: would be north. This is hard to do audibly, Yes

911
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: you're doing it. But if you're looking at it, there

912
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: is a land mass to the north, and then most

913
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: of the rest of the map is ocean, and then

914
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: you've got am I reading that incorrectly? No, I'm reading

915
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: that correctly, And then you've got another land mass that

916
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: is to the south like kind of I guess southeast

917
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: to where that other land mass is above it, And

918
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: it's thought that that land mass in the south is Antarctica. Sorry,

919
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 2: just trying to let people see it.

920
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: If they can't see I mean, that's a really good

921
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: explanation Eric walk through, and it's important to go look

922
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: at it for yourself. We do want to hear your

923
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: take on this. So this map has been around for

924
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: a long long time, and it wasn't until nineteen fifty

925
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: six that people began thinking it shows Antarctica. There was

926
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: a guy named Captain Arlington Humphrey Mallory who first proposed

927
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: this depicted the coastline of Antarctica. He was retired military

928
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: man at this time. He was an amateur archaeologist. He

929
00:53:53,600 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: also believed in earlier Western arrival to the New World

930
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: as it would be called at the time. So he

931
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: thought Celts and Vikings and other groups of people, maybe

932
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: some missionaries from early versions of the Church had arrived

933
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: at the New World in various locations. What's more, maybe

934
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: made maps in some cases, and that these maps were

935
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: lost to later ages. But they were accurate, far beyond

936
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: what most of Europe would have known about at the time,

937
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: and to his credit, the later research did prove like

938
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: after the fifties, later research did prove that there were

939
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: probably small groups of European descended people who at least

940
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: made it to the far eastern coast of Canada. You

941
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Newfoundland and such.

942
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, specifically the Vikings. Essentially he was right about that

943
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: part well, And it makes you wonder if it's a

944
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: long journey from the area where they would be from

945
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: down to Antarctica. But it does make you wonder if

946
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 2: maybe William from earlier who was looking at the satellite imagery, Yeah,

947
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: maybe there is something there where just small groups of

948
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: just ancient Europeans ended up there accidentally and then perished,

949
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 2: But before they perished made some carvings.

950
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: Or got stranded due to the treacherous nature of the waves. Yeah, possibly, possibly,

951
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: or even you know, I don't know. We see so

952
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: many things about out of place artifacts in South America,

953
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, in China and far reaches of

954
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: Russian stuff that we can say for sure that it's

955
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: it's almost certain that different small groups of people interacted

956
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: largely through trade and exploration in ways that we have

957
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: yet to understand. It feels that's it is safe to

958
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: say that. It's actually very safe to say that.

959
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: And your word of the day is an achronism?

960
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: Is that a word of the day?

961
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 4: I think everybody should be.

962
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's fun to say. I think that's all

963
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: it takes a word.

964
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: Of the day.

965
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: It is.

966
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: If you want to be a real pedantic, nerd insult person,

967
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: you can always decide to call someone anachronistic when you

968
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: think they're not being cool. Yeah, use it completely inappropriately too.

969
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, so all that aside, This map itself is

970
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: an agglomeration of twenty twenty something other earlier maps that

971
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: already existed before it was made in fifteen thirteen, and

972
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: most cartographers and mainstream historians to day believe the map

973
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: does not actually depict Antarctica. That's a bummer. It's a

974
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: bummer because it looks cool. You can see how it would.

975
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: You can see how someone could look at that and say,

976
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: holy smokes Antarctica. There's a group called Bad Archaeology and

977
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: they have a great write up on this. We recommend

978
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: visiting their website for more details, just to google Bad

979
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: Archaeology Perie Race. But we do have a quote describing

980
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: their conclusions about this map.

981
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: It shows no unknown lands, least of all Antarctica, and

982
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: contained errors such as Columbus's belief that Cuba was an

983
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: Asian peninsula who swinging amiss Yes, errors that ought to

984
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: have been present if it derived from extremely accurate ancient originals.

985
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 5: And it also conforms to the prevalent geographical theories of

986
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 5: the early sixteenth century, including things like balancing land masses

987
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 5: in the north with others in the south to keep

988
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 5: the earth from tipping over. Yeah, don't want to do

989
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 5: that because it's balanced on on a turtle's back.

990
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: True story. Yeah, the idea that the Earth itself is

991
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: sort of like a has its own geographical equilibrium. Too

992
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: many continents on one air quote side or another will

993
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: inevitably tip the scales because it's flat, right, right, Although

994
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: it was relatively common knowledge at the time that the

995
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: world was a globe, take that for what you will.

996
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: The maps is based on are older, but they're they're

997
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: not ancient. It's not as if they found some six

998
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: thousand year old Samarian map depicting lands that had never

999
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: been heard of in the modern day and said, let's

1000
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: just copy this, right, at least according to the different

1001
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: experts who have examined the actual map. So unfortunately, perie Reus,

1002
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: while being an incredible, tantalizing possible indicator of ancient exploration

1003
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: of Antarctica, if not ancient civilizations in that continent, and

1004
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: just a cool map and just a cool map. Unfortunately,

1005
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: it really is a tantalizing thing because it doesn't deliver.

1006
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't hold up. But we would be

1007
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: remiss if we did not shout out something completely different.

1008
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: I think the thing that we're all fans of, which

1009
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: is HP Lovecraft, the author of the Mountains of Madness,

1010
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: famous author terrible person, inspired millions of people with his story.

1011
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 4: Matt.

1012
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: I was so taken. I was hypnotized by your depiction

1013
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: of these of these ancient pre human races.

1014
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: I was going a little mad there for a moment,

1015
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: but I'm feeling better now.

1016
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: You're back off the mountain. Yep. Yeah, So it's it's

1017
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's a really well written story,

1018
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a very it makes a great impression.

1019
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: It's cool and it's cool.

1020
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the best ways. It's so cool.

1021
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: And and the idea there is that there is an

1022
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: there are ruins of an ancient pre human civilization hidden

1023
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: in the hinterlands of Antarctica that has not been proven,

1024
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: despite what some people have tried to depict in earlier

1025
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: arguments on the fringes there. HP Lovecraft was writing fiction.

1026
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: He knew he was writing fiction and he liked it.

1027
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: But other you know, just kind of like we did.

1028
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: We did an episode on Grimase and we talked a

1029
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: little bit about the Necronomicon, another HP Lovecraft creation. He's

1030
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: very adamant that's work of fiction. But people like the

1031
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: story so much that they want it to be real.

1032
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: In some cases they can kind of slender mandit and then.

1033
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, much like slender Man

1034
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: has at least once yep.

1035
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: And then the last thing, which we don't have time for,

1036
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: but we'd love to refer you to one of the

1037
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: first videos we've ever done.

1038
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: The Thule Society.

1039
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: Yes, the idea that there is a civilization or ruins

1040
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: of a civilization that survives some great cataclysm by going underground,

1041
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: similar to the Benfolds five song, except with ancient technology,

1042
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: and that the Nazi Party and the US military were

1043
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: both aware of this possibility and as they were exploring

1044
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: the region through various various cover stories, through the use

1045
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: of various cover stories like Operation high Jump, but they

1046
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: were instead actually exploring the possibility of these subterranean civilizations

1047
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: or waging war upon one another in secret at the

1048
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: South Pole. Those are fascinating tales.

1049
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: And all in an attempts to gain the favor of

1050
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: whatever civilization is down there.

1051
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and spoiler alert there, of course the Nazis

1052
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: in this tale. In this tale, the Nazi Party thought

1053
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: that the subterranean civilization would of course be arian and

1054
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: super into geopolitical happenings on the surface world.

1055
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's you know, I have nothing to say there.

1056
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's messed up.

1057
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: It's an interesting story. And you know, a lot of

1058
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: Antarctica has not been fully explored, certainly not to the

1059
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: extent that other continents have. And we have to remember

1060
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: there's still parts of there's still very remote parts of

1061
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: the world where no human being has ever set foot

1062
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with Antarctica.

1063
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: This is this is one of the concepts that early

1064
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: on when we started making this show Man really got

1065
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: me into even further into these subjects, some of these

1066
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: especially ancient civilizations, this one in particular. Yeah, no, really,

1067
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: because I could imagine a world in where it was real,

1068
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: only because we found so many real things in this

1069
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: world where opposing powers have been in a race to

1070
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: achieve something first or get somewhere first, because the other

1071
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: team is going to get there for sure at some point.

1072
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: We just have to get there before them. And with

1073
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: everything from nuclear powers to psychic powers to all this stuff.

1074
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: And so this was just another version of it for me,

1075
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: where maybe there was something there or at least to

1076
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: establish bases of some.

1077
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so sorry, man, I should said Operation Stargate

1078
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: oatarget correct and k Ultra. Yeah, that's a great point. This.

1079
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: If it's not a thing a government did, it's certainly

1080
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: in line with the mo of most world powers.

1081
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1082
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: So this leads us to conclusions. Right, we don't at

1083
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: this point have any solid proof that there was some

1084
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: sort of permanent settlement in Antarctica, at least not in antiquity.

1085
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: And we don't have proof that there was even a

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Speaker 1: notable temporary settlement, much less a civilization or remnants of

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Speaker 1: an ancient civilization. And this problem, or this lack of knowledge,

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Speaker 1: is compounded by the fact that it's just devilishly difficult

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Speaker 1: to do a lot of exploration in Antarctica. At least

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Speaker 1: it becomes devilishly expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and just straight up difficult just to get any

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Speaker 2: kind of.

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Speaker 1: Transportation there, right, And now we're in a situation where

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Speaker 1: our entire species and whatever eldritche species may await us

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01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: under the ice, don't have to wait much longer because

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: as the earth leaves well as temperatures shift around the planet.

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Speaker 1: We know that glaciers are receding, they're losing mass. It's

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01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: just getting a little warmer in most places. And we

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01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: do know that we will see some pretty strange things

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01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: when the ice actually melts, depending on where it melts.

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01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: For instance, we don't know very much about the dinosaurs

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: or angient animals that roamed Antarctica when it's part of Gondwana,

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: so all we found so far about from fossil life.

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: There are going to be things that we could dig

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01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: up on the margins of coastal islands or exposed mountains

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01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: that have gone above the glaciers, you know, and they

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01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: are the few places that don't have a thick layer

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Speaker 1: of ice. We might also find sources of geothermal energy.

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Speaker 1: We are almost certain to find forms of life that

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Speaker 1: are almost alien to us because they have been isolated

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01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: for so long. They'll they'll probably also this may be

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01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: a little disappointing. They'll probably also be really small. But

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01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: then you know they might be they might be really big,

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: like those several meter long worms. Have you seen those?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Uh, that will be the coolest if we were just

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01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: giant giant creatures that we find.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man. And one of the new groundbreaking tools

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Speaker 1: that the three of us really love to talk about

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Speaker 1: when we talk about this kind of exploration is something

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Speaker 1: called light are. Light R allows us to detect otherwise

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: invisible ruins that most people will fly over without a

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Speaker 1: second glance. If there is some remnant of an ancient

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: civilization or an ancient settlement somewhere on Antiarctica, light are

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01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: is probably the best way to find it right now

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: as we record the twenty eighteen The other problem, but

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01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: the light hoar is not perfect. It's also expensive crazy

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Speaker 1: It's expensive in more accessible areas. It's crazy money once

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Speaker 1: you try to take that out to Antarctica. In twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: a group did that. They were well, they did it

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01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen, but they released the

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01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: data in twenty seventeen and it covered twenty seven hundred

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01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: and seventy five point sixty five square kilometers of an

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01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: area of Antarctica known as the McMurdo Dry Valleys. They

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Speaker 1: did not find evidence of a pre existing civilization. But

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Speaker 1: for those of us who still want to hold on

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01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: to that belief that such a group, community, or society existed,

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01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: we can always remember this. Maybe, just maybe this first

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01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: light oar crew was looking in the wrong place after all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: after all, what is twenty seven hundred and seventy five

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: something where kilometers? That's not all of Antarctica.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no.

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01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: Antarctica has a total land area of about fourteen million

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: kilometers square.

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01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: Good god.

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01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And we would love to hear your thoughts

1147
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: on where people should be looking. First off, is this bunk?

1148
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: Is there something to it? The stuff we look through?

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01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, you can see some of the problems that

1150
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: people might have with these claims, but we want to

1151
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 1: know if you have something to add to the conversation,

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01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: and we definitely want to know if you have visited

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01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: Antarctica yourself. It's not it's actually not that hard to

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01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: get a job there on staff.

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01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 4: Oh well, yeah, nobody the Antarctica staff. Yeah, you like

1156
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 4: to be a cook, that'd be cool. There's either they

1157
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 4: like are they like lodges out there? They're like vacation.

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01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 2: That's it.

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01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 4: That's it.

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you got.

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01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: You can visit tour stuff as like, as Matt said,

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01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: like a cruise or something like.

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Speaker 2: Look at these crazy signists spend their their days and

1164
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 2: their summer is down here, all right, Now, get out here, seriously,

1165
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: go leave now.

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: Hey, God test his blood first.

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, squash. But honestly, the best stories are going to

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 2: be the ones that are real being an Antarctica. And

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: then I also want to hear the most far out

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01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: ideas about what you think if there is anything beneath

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01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: all the ice. I want to hear your really far

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 2: out ideas specifically year. Yeah, go ahead, just write it,

1173
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: write it out, send it away, because I just want

1174
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: to eat popcorn and dig in. And that's the end

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